JG-TC.com > Opinion > LETTER: Obama dismantling free-market system

TODAY'S HEADLINES

SPECIAL SECTION

ONLINE POLL

ONLINE EXTRAS

Shop Smart, Shop Local

SITE TOOLS

OTHER LINKS

St. Louis Post-Dispatch

Lee Enterprises

Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:38 PM CST
LETTER: Obama dismantling free-market system

LEROY HANKINS, Mattoon

Learning Christianity through Jeremiah Wright; political savvy through the Chicago Daley Machine; civics from Karl Marx, Obama was able and willing to use the “Loony Left,” Move-on.org; the ACLU and George Soros. Obama had only to add ACORN to make his campaign unbeatable.

Hatred for the military among the Leftists and most of our universities ignores the fact that, today, we would all be speaking Japanese or Nazi German if it weren’t for the military. The fact that Obama is largely controlled by big huge UnAmerican electorate might be the reason he is so timid about making military decisions. One thing seems clear: Our enemies don’t respect him, much less fear him. He is inviting another 9/11 attack from our enemies.

Free markets gave us everything from the ball-point pen to space exploration yet Obama’s czars want to dismantle it and make us a Marxist/Socialist nation. Obama’s “Redistribution of Wealth” is socialistic.

Two ways we might be driven to our knees: Deliberate bankruptcy by Obama or recognition of our real source of personal and national deliverance. See 2 Chronicles 7:14. We have abandoned our true source of greatness and security.

LEROY HANKINS

Mattoon

Add your comments

*Member ID:
*Password:
Remember login? (requires cookies)
	Forgot Your Password?

Not already registered?
Then click Here.

Comment policy:

JG-TC.com encourages readers to engage in civil conversation with their neighbors. Comments that are submitted are not posted to the site immediately. They go into a queue to be moderated and may take several hours to be reviewed. Comments posted on Saturday may not be reviewed until Sunday afternoon.

In order to keep the page a set width, long lines (mostly long links) will be chopped. Try putting spaces in your links or consider using tinyurl.com to make a smaller link that you can include.

We will never edit or alter your comments, but we do reserve the right to remove comments that violate our code of conduct.

No comment may contain:

* Potentially libelous statements; such as accusing somebody of a crime, defamation of character, or statements that can harm somebody's reputation.
* Obscene, explicit, or racist language.
* Personal attacks, insults, threats, harassment or inciting violence.
* Commercial product promotions.

If you have any questions, please contact our moderator.

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 11, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Why would someone call over half of this country "UnAmerican"? We have no idea of what is going on behind the scenes involving the decisions of what to do with the Afghanistan mess, Leroy. Simply to paint is as timidity on the part of the president points to your ignorance. The strutting little cowboy is gone, and the American public voted for someone who does not bow to the whims of the Military Industrial Complex. Perhaps if Bush had allowed our military to stay in Afghanistan and finish the job we wouldn't have this problem today. "

sapient wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:14 AM:

" As usual, Leroy. you have hit the nail on the head. Be prepared for attacks from the loonie left. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Nov 11, 2009 12:33 PM:

" Ok Leroy time to pick you apart. One I am going to prove Obama isn't even close to socialism. Two where do you see the redistribution of wealth????????????????

Now under a true socialist economy we wouldn't have evil Wal-Mart, we wouldn't have privatized banks, the richest people in this country wouldn't have their money. Just because we bailed out a couple of companies doesn't make it a government takeover (does anyone remember Bush's bailout of the banking system?). The only "socialistic" thing he has done is the health care bill which a public optition will increase competition.
Also seems like someones forgetting that the Soviets made it to space before we did(even though just like china they weren't true communism).

Lets also discuss the military aspect. So if Obama was anti-military then why did he increase the military budget to even higher levels than the Bush and Reagan years.

Also Mr. Wright is right white people do control the world, at the very least this country. How is that offensive?? Lets look at right wing pastors that stated "people in New Orleans deserved to die because they were "sinful". Too me thats evil. Also the tenets of most all major religions would be counter to the ideals of capitalism. Because capitalism only works with greed, without it we have a socialistic society. Mark 10 : 25 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

As I have said, I voted for Obama but I don't trust him. Yet I don't trust any politician, but I felt I must silence those that critize Obama and just don't know what they are talking about. FYI I love Karl Marx, oh yeah and Engles, and Emma Goldman, Peter Kroptkin, Noam Chomsky. So I AM THE RADICAL LEFT THAT YOU PEOPLE KEEP ON FEARING. "

The Question wrote on Nov 11, 2009 12:43 PM:

" There is no "free-market system." What we have is a kleptocracy run by corporations that buy the politicians who control the government. It's trillion-dollar "socialism" exclusively for billionaire bankers, picked straight from the pockets of the American poor and the middle class. "

Tall One wrote on Nov 11, 2009 1:34 PM:

" That a boy Leroy! Thank God this will be a one term president. Now let's go after the career politicains in congress who have no touch with the common working family or small businessman. Term Limits! Campiagn finance reform!
The American dream is driven by the desire give your family a better life.
A life free of oppression which all of us on this Veterans days should bow our heads to those who have fallen to preserve it and repledge to uphold it just as Leroy taught me to do forty three years ago at Columbian school.
Thanks Leroy.
I heard Timothy Gieghnter say the other day that the economy would revive when the confidence of the people and the investor returns to the market. How soon will that happen when you have ole' Pork Barrel Pelosi, Hat Trick Harry Reid and Bend me over Barnie Frank in charge of the check book? Who needs zcars when you have brains like that around?
Let's check the resume of the people that want to run our banks, insurance companies, auto makers and health care system. Mmmm, Amtrak- Broke, Postal system-Broke, Social Security-Broke, Medicare-Broke, Fannie Mea and Freddie Mac-Broke not mention these same people borrow more money than they take in year after year. I don't think so!
How could be that the average federal goverment job in salary and benifits cost tax payers over $122,000 a year when the average private sector job is less than $60,000 a year? Give the power and the money back to the people. Sell everything that is broke to Warren Buffett he will make a profit or shut it down. "

Becky wrote on Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM:

" The "left" doesn't hate the military. They hate unnecessary wars of aggression against innocent countries who happen to sit on a bunch of oil. I didn't know Nazi was a language. And lastly, Leroy, it's not just Obama and the lefties...from Nixon on, both parties have done this to our country. We no longer have a republic. It's now an ologarchy that is ran by the richest 5% of the country which is now corporations and not people. Until we all remove the rose colored glasses and see DC in full view, nothing's going to change. Just changing the Dems and Reps does nothing but move the deck chairs on the Titanic. "

BW wrote on Nov 11, 2009 2:43 PM:

" theprole..........: Great argument except you are picking apart statements that Mr. Hankins didn't make. Now go back and read his letter carefully and try to do your picking apart correctly. Note that the words "want to" don't mean something is already accomplished. They mean someone "wants to " accomplish them. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 11, 2009 3:56 PM:

" Be prepared for attacks from the loonie left. "

Or slobbering kudos from the wacko right wingers. lol! "

theproletariat87 wrote on Nov 11, 2009 4:46 PM:

" Great points Becky, the question and BW. Also thank you as well on complimenting my points as well BW. "

cedric66 wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:05 PM:

" Let's check the resume of the people that want to run our banks, insurance companies, auto makers and health care system. Mmmm, Amtrak- Broke, Postal system-Broke, Social Security-Broke, Medicare-Broke, Fannie Mea and Freddie Mac-Broke not mention these same people borrow more money than they take in year after year. I don't think so

Don't be talking bad about Bonnie Frank! That is FB's real good buddy!!!! "

even steven wrote on Nov 12, 2009 11:05 AM:

" The Democrat's war on capitalism is just getting started. Hidden in the insane and Unconstitutional Pelosi government health care takeover bill is a 69% increase of the capital gains tax and a stealth provision to undermine state's abilities to limit attorney's fees or impose caps on damages.

Coupled with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, increased size of and spending by government, reduced purchasing power of the dollar, higher food prices, higher fuel prices, and an unemployment rate that is likely to top 12%, and it's obvious to anyone who understands free market economics that the Democrats and the Obama administration are either imbeciles or they are intentionally harming our country's economy.

The fascist left's drive toward socialism, big government, and totalitarian control is evident and must be stopped by any and all means. The elections in 2010 are critical for our nation's survival. "

Todd Reardon wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 PM:

" Leroy Hankins, you need a history lesson about the things you speak of:

Criticizing the Left is misplaced, it was the Japanesse Communist Party that tried to first overthrow the monarchy and the military state that attacked us. The Party was unsuccessful, but it was the only party to attempt to ovetthrow the monarchy. Further, Russis also fought against Germany. And Italian Communsit tried to off Mussalini. What more do you want? "

Matt Toon wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:07 PM:

" I am always amused when I hear about conservatives claiming that Obama is a "socialist" or a "communist." REAL socialists and communists have nothing but contempt for Obama. Over the past several weeks I have looked at web sites of 10 socialist or communist organizations or parties. All but one of them vehemently denounced Obama, as well as pretty much everything he stands for. (One web site said nothing at all about him.) These socialist and communist web sites not only agree with conservatives about Obama, they also concur with many conservatives about the government bailouts (of real estate, insurance, auto companies, banks, etc.) Many conservatives are outraged at the bailouts, as well as the socialists and communists, who say that these businesses should be allowed to die on their own, without the government coming to their rescue. Once again, this is an example of the ultrarightwing and the ultraleftwing agreeing on certain key issues, but perhaps for somewhat different reasons. "

Todd Reardon wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM:

" Even Steven, oximoronic Facist Left cannot co-exist you should study history as well. "

father bob wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:11 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Nov 11, 2009 10:05 PM:
"Don't be talking bad about Bonnie Frank! That is FB's real good buddy!!!! """""

just a bit homophobic seedy? "

father bob wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:19 PM:

" The Question wrote on Nov 11, 2009 12:43 PM:
" There is no "free-market system." What we have is a kleptocracy run by corporations that buy the politicians who control the government. It's trillion-dollar "socialism" exclusively for billionaire bankers, picked straight from the pockets of the American poor and the middle class. """""

great comment TQ. these dimwitted wingnuts swallow everything they say hook, line and sinker. "

even steven wrote on Nov 12, 2009 1:29 PM:

" Todd Reardon wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM:

" Even Steven, oximoronic Facist Left cannot co-exist you should study history as well. "

Todd, you are mistaken, and fascism was indeed a leftift movement. You should go back to school and read up on some economic history. We could discuss this in person sometime, too. We've known each other since we were both children. "

The Question wrote on Nov 12, 2009 2:12 PM:

" The common elements of fascism are these: powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism; disdain for the importance of human rights; identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause; the supremacy of the military/avid militarism; rampant sexism; a controlled and/or manipulated mass media; obsession with national security; religion and ruling elite tied together; power of corporations protected; power of labor suppressed or eliminated; disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts; obsession with crime and punishment; rampant cronyism and corruption and fraudulent elections.
All of them, you will note, are right-wing Republican passions and dreams. "

The Question wrote on Nov 12, 2009 2:20 PM:

" And here are just a few of the fascist actions undertaken by Dick Cheney and his monkey puppet: a massive campaign of spying on Americans by the Defense Department, the FBI and the National Security Agency; a campaign of torture of prisoners, including American citizens; a claim that the president didnt even need to NOTIFY the courts or the American public about the arrest, detention, torture or even EXECUTION of an American citizen if he, acting on his own, deemed that person to be an "enemy combatant," whatever the heck that is supposed to be; lies told repeatedly about the justification for their ruthless invasion of Iraq. "

father bob wrote on Nov 12, 2009 2:30 PM:

" Leroy "el rushbo" Hankins....you need to listen to some NPR once in a while, it'd do you a lot of good the hear some real "excellence in broadcasting". "

even steven wrote on Nov 12, 2009 3:17 PM:

" The Question wrote on Nov 12, 2009 2:12 PM:

" The common elements of fascism are these: powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism; disdain for the importance of human rights; identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause; the supremacy of the military/avid militarism; rampant sexism; a controlled and/or manipulated mass media; obsession with national security; religion and ruling elite tied together; power of corporations protected; power of labor suppressed or eliminated; disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts; obsession with crime and punishment; rampant cronyism and corruption and fraudulent elections.
All of them, you will note, are right-wing Republican passions and dreams.

Nice try, but it is factual to say that fascism, socialism, nazism... they are all leftist movements that crushed free enterprise and empowered that state. You speak of human rights... so I guess you are pro-life or you are a fascist. Scapegoats? How about your hated Fox News or Rush Limbaugh? Fascists have been shouting down conservative public speakers on our nation's college campuses. The power of corporations protected by fascists? You are incorrect. Fascists eventually took over most... allowing only those who supported them to exist. Big government controlling health care, energy, car manufacturing, communications... socialist or fascist. Controlling media? Look at who has been trying to silence talk radio, Fox News, the blogosphere... The left's attempt to paint the right and center as fascits when it is they who are fascists... classic fascist propaganda tactics. I'm correct for calling fascism a leftist movement.

Socialist policies require government control, while freedom depends on capitalism to truly exist. Nice try to squirm out of being called out on your fascist leanings by pointing the finger away from yourself... also a classic tactic used by tyrants and despots throughout history, including fascists. "

The Question wrote on Nov 12, 2009 3:23 PM:

" Sen. Byron Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota, was one of eight senators who stood up to oppose the repeal of the Glass-Steagall act in 1999. That repeal, which was signed into law by President Clinton exactly 10 years ago today, broke down the barriers between commercial banking and investment banking, and led to the growth of behemoth financial firms that were able to take enormous risks with impunity because they were "too big to fail."
"I think we will in 10 years' time look back and say we should not have done this," Dorgan said back then.
The understatement of the decade, folks. That's what let the "free market system" of massive fraud wreck the world economy.
Another of the handful who wasn't bribed by Wall Street was Sen. Russ Feingold, who recalled that the repeal "was just one of several bad policies that helped lead to the credit market crisis and the severe recession it helped cause." "

father bob wrote on Nov 12, 2009 3:38 PM:

" even steven wrote on Nov 12, 2009 3:17 PM:
"but it is factual to say that fascism, socialism, nazism... they are all leftist movements""""""

as was the republican party at it's conception....so welcome to the club you liberal leftist!! "

woodtick wrote on Nov 12, 2009 8:10 PM:

" What a waste of ink on the virtues of late stage capitalism...

Did the former president "invite" 9-11 in order to justify the occupation and destruction of the "cradle of civilization" because their leader dared refer to him as "junior Bush?"

Free market economy has brought Nike shoe factories to Vietnam and world class car manufacturing to South Korea (a U.S. protectorate for now 60 years!), not to mention the destruction of Main Street America to the hands of WAL-MART Corp selling Chinese goods for less, guaranteed.

The U.S. empire is waning, and has been long before Obama. Clinton had to rebuild a trashed Bush economy and eventually did a fine job. The new president will use all the tools available to provide jobs for the citizens and end the wars and clean up the environment while making healthcare available (even to those without insurance). Not a small order following so many decades of free market negligence. "

Matt Toon wrote on Nov 13, 2009 5:14 AM:

" The contention that Nazism is a left-wing ideology is totally absurd. After Hitler and the Nazis took total control of Germany the top priority for execution or imprisonment was Communists. The next priority was socialists. Then the Nazis rounded up labor leaders and activist liberals. Later on, targets of the Nazis included other groups, such as Jews and homosexuals. There is no doubt that Nazism is a right-wing philosophy! "

Interested Observer wrote on Nov 13, 2009 5:34 AM:

" Anything resembling a theoretical 'free market' was gone long before President Obama took office, Mr. Hankins. "

Hound Dog wrote on Nov 13, 2009 5:45 AM:

" Don't know if Obama is purposely trying to bankrupt our country or not, but government takeovers of GM, Chrysler, banks, insurance companies, and now taking a "look" at the airline industry is sobering for sure. The health care bill as is, only harms the citizens, rather than helps them, so it needs to be scrapped and started over, AFTER our economy improves. The bill should be constructed by both parties, and be under 100 pages, include Tort reform, ability to buy insurance across state lines, not allow illegals to be included, no govt money for abortions, and the removel of Pelosi's ridiculous fine or jail provisions. Americans will not accept this mandate, that is unconstitutional. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 13, 2009 6:33 AM:

" The U.S. empire is waning, and has been long before Obama. Clinton had to rebuild a trashed Bush economy and eventually did a fine job. The new president will use all the tools available to provide jobs for the citizens and end the wars and clean up the environment while making healthcare available (even to those without insurance). Not a small order following so many decades of free market negligence. "

Excellent observations, woodtick!

Now that all but one of the indicators that the economy is turning around have manifested, the question is: what will the disgruntled loses have to say when the employment numbers go up. I suspect they'll retreat back to the birth certificate issue. Or perhaps Fox will organize another corporate sponsored "grass roots" tea party. I can't wait for Sean Hannity's videos on that. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Nov 13, 2009 8:28 AM:

" How much wood, would a wood tick tick, if a wood tick would tick wood ?????? "

father bob wrote on Nov 13, 2009 3:04 PM:

" Hound Dog wrote on Nov 13, 2009 5:45 AM:
"The health care bill as is, only harms the citizens, rather than helps them, so it needs to be scrapped and started over, AFTER our economy improves.""""

that's where the rightwing party of NO is sorely mistaken Hound Dog.

healthcare is about 17% of our national budget, and growing. fiscally responsible people should be backing reform and shouting praises about it from their rooftops. "

jayce wrote on Nov 13, 2009 3:08 PM:

" i am old enough to remember my parents talking about social security and how it is a policy to pay into an account and their employers to pay in also for their retirements. It worked quite well for a number of years until the gov't saw all that money doing nothing and "borrowed" and did not pay back from S.S. Fast forward---they allowed people to collect from the account that never payed into it. When I retired I went to talk to Employees benifits person and he told me that I would recieve my retirement from the company AND that I would recieve from welfare
(He reffered to S.S.) also and I told him that I as well as the company paid into that every pay perion.....in fact I had worked since I was 15 and It was NOT welfare. Also my husband died of cancer and recieved S.S. for only a matter of months...so where did the money that he payed in go? I know ...
a woman I met came over here from europe 3 years ago to live w/family and she Got SS disability....she had NEVER PAID IN A PENNY. That's robbing someones account. That's what happened to social security. "

Locke wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:57 AM:

" Trite talking points paired with the scripture: how original. "

Blue Dog Democrat wrote on Nov 14, 2009 2:12 PM:

" How about a fist bump brother fatherless bob? "

ben of 101739 wrote on Nov 14, 2009 3:23 PM:

" leroy on obama (nobama)..................free market system!

you have it about 500% right leroy, people like the left wing radical HP is what makes this one of the biggest liberal rag sheet newspapers in the state.

as sapient wrote be prepaired for attacks from the loonie left, looks as though the spineless and gutless HP was the first in line.

ben "

Bernie wrote on Nov 14, 2009 4:28 PM:

" Government funded NASA (National Aerononautic and Space Administration) gave us space exploration, not the free market.

And if you think the free market should provide everything, then stay off of my socialized roads and highways, out of my socialized parks and libraries, refuse my socialized fire, police, military and child protective services, and keep your children out of our socialized shools.

Take you anti-social attitude and leave the rest of us alone. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:59 PM:

" Bad news for Sarah Palin. Fact checking results, including the Associated Press's findings, have resulted in the New York Times making the decision to move her book to the fiction category. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 14, 2009 9:48 PM:

" you have it about 500% right leroy, people like the left wing radical HP is what makes this one of the biggest liberal rag sheet newspapers in the state.

I hate to break it to you bennie, but I don't work for the paper. But I'm glad you're enjoying my messages. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 14, 2009 10:15 PM:

" ....as sapient wrote be prepared for attacks from the looney left, looks as though the spineless and gutless HP was the first in line.

I don't suppose you can explain that cowardly attack, can you? I've noticed that those who resort to calling names on here are usually the real gutless cowards. It takes a real big man to call names while posting anonymously.

Let me be the first to congratulate you on your communication skills, bennie. I guess name calling is about all you have to add to the conversation, huh?

By the way, you might want to check into spell check. I corrected your text this time. No thanks are necessary, as I'm always happy to help the unwashed masses. "

tempwayfarer wrote on Nov 14, 2009 11:01 PM:

" By end of 2010 the Federal Government will have taken over control of about half of what used to be the "private sector" in our 'mixed' economy. USDA has been semi-socialized for a long time, especially since FDR. I kind of like the freeways and the parks but the intent of this new crowd is clear: join the collective or suffer. And that's going way too far. Americans will not accept it.

George Washington said people have to FEEL before they can SEE. We haven't really felt the pain yet, but we will see soon enough. "

Bernie wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:24 AM:

" We just witnessed the largest redistribution of our nation's wealth in the history of our country under George Bush. Problem was, it was all in precisely the opposite direction necessary for the good of our nation as a whole.

Welcome back to the Land of the Robber Barons, and the accompanying economic hardship it creates for the majority of innocent, hard-working Americans.

I predicted when George was appointed President for the first time, that if we had to endure 4-8 years of his parallel simultaneous backwards world economic theories, we would end up in a severe recession if not an outright depression. Looks like I was right.

Bush destroyed market demand (half the equation for success) by moving a vast amount of wealth to an already top-heavy supply side. Money trickles up far faster and more reliably than it trickles down. Trickle on economic theories simply don't work, and we have more than ample proof of this fact. Still, those who are ignorant of history are bound to repeat it.

Now I predict another economic slump that will hit those on the bottom half of the scale so hard they won't know or understand what hit them. The reason why is because Obama is making the same mistakes Bush made ($800 Billion dollars to the top rung, again), and not doing what needs to be done to turn this boat around. Even his so-called health care "reform" (not) is a well veiled corporate welfare giveaway to the health unsurance industry at our expense. (Won't work because it keeps the problem as the solution.)

This country is headed for the falls. Obama thinks he can stick his paddle in the water and slow us down. Problem is we need to paddle like hell in the opposite direction. "

father bob wrote on Nov 15, 2009 9:23 AM:

" ben of 101739 wrote on Nov 14, 2009 3:23 PM:
" leroy on obama (nobama)..................free market system!

you have it about 500% right leroy, people like the left wing radical HP is what makes this one of the biggest liberal rag sheet newspapers in the state.

as sapient wrote be prepaired for attacks from the loonie left, looks as though the spineless and gutless HP was the first in line.""""""

another comedian.... "

father bob wrote on Nov 15, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:59 PM:
" Bad news for Sarah Palin. Fact checking results, including the Associated Press's findings, have resulted in the New York Times making the decision to move her book to the fiction category. """"""

she's already discounting and denying what she has said in her book......wonder why she wrote it if it's all lies??....

OH YEAH.....money!!! "

father bob wrote on Nov 15, 2009 9:27 AM:

" hey, i'm all for palin! i hope she get the nomnation... "

cedric66 wrote on Nov 15, 2009 5:49 PM:

" I don't suppose you can explain that cowardly attack, can you? I've noticed that those who resort to calling names on here are usually the real gutless cowards. It takes a real big man to call names while posting anonymously.

Sure HP, go spread your BS elsewhere. And no I am not going to look the times up when you did. You are a flaming LIAR and I'm sure others will agree with this post "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 15, 2009 7:16 PM:

" Sure HP, go spread your BS elsewhere. And no I am not going to look the times up when you did. You are a flaming LIAR and I'm sure others will agree with this post "

Wow! You sure got your panties in a wad today, seedy. Better take some Midol. "

Traveling Circus wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:06 PM:

" Ah, the usual name-calling right wingnuts are out and about today.

I read through most of the comments (and insults!) and was looking for what I thought was one of the biggest points that needed to be made. Thanks Bernie for tapping into it. I just think it needs to be hammered home a bit more (for those of you who can't remember history from 2004). The congressional budget office said the wealthiest Americans got richer due to Bushes tax cuts for them - and the top 1% even more so! "Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bushs tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top especially the top 1 percent of income earners." They went on to say, "Mr. Bush and his Republican allies in Congress want to permanently extend that tax cut and almost all of the others that Congress passed in his first term. The cost of doing that would be more than $1 trillion over the next decade, a cost that would hit the Treasury at the same time that the spending on old-age benefits for retiring baby boomers begins to soar." (gee, would've been nice to use that money to balance the budget that Bush destroyed; or provide health care to those who need it!).

So let's review; people who were paying 39.5% in taxes (the top 1%) slid down at least 5% due to Bush's crony-ism, and THAT IS REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. Where were you at that time? Shouldn't you have been complaining about it back then Leroy? They're taking it from everyone else now because Bush wanted to help his richest of friends be richer. It's amazing how you believe the propagandistic crapola that the right wing corporations spew your way in lieu of actually caring for people. They get you to actually believe they are the victims?

TQ - Yup, kleptocracy. Kinda like kleptomanic republicans. They just can't keep their hands out of the governmental cookie jar - and then blame the dems for socialism? HA HA HA HA They can try to re-name their greed, but it is what it is. It's moronic how the right keeps calling the left "socialist" (a term they don't even nearly begin to understand) and looking for "big government" when THEY ARE THE ONES THAT BENEFIT FROM THE OH-NO-WE-CAN'T-FAIL-BAIL-OUTS from their cronies Bush and Cheyney...oh, let's see...who was it now? Oh yea, THE US GOVERNMENT!

Becky - I like your "deck chair" analogy. Unfortunately, those on the right won't open their deck chairs! LOL In fact, they're piling theirs up on the one side of the deck so the Titanic will sink even FASTER so they can say "I told you so!". So much for the party of "NO!".

Matt - interesting comment about the communists and socialists not like Obama; guess they can cross him off their Christmas card lists!? LOL If Obama were a socialist or communist, wouldn't these sites be singing his praises??? (ah, crickets sounding from the right).

Ben - as usual, you have nothing useful or coherent to say but to insult others. Just turn your Faux No-News back on at it's loudest level and enjoy the lies they feed you.

Cedric - calling HP a flaming liar? In what capacity? For what reason? Care to elaborate? It's easy to just slam and run - much harder to actually come up with a cohesive, meaningful conversation (oh, that is, if you got one).

All this negativity is such a downer! The right wing needs to take a chill pill and really study history - and for goodness sakes, TURN OFF FAUX NO-NEWS! You may actually come to your sense then. "

red,white,blue wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:31 PM:

" And your comments traveling circus are obviously not biased toward what you call the 'right-wing nuts' since you so conveniently ignore the insults of the left? Nobody is nastier than TQ, followed closely by HP (the misogynist) and FB (who sees racism in the most innocuous comments). So, TC, your comments don't have much validity as they are obviously as biased as any of the rest on the right or left. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Nov 15, 2009 8:59 PM:

" I see the hypocritical statements are not in short supply here.

It appears an over extended stay at the high-wire act may be the cause. "

cedric66 wrote on Nov 15, 2009 11:49 PM:

" Cedric - calling HP a flaming liar? In what capacity? For what reason? Care to elaborate? It's easy to just slam and run - much harder to actually come up with a cohesive, meaningful conversation (oh, that is, if you got one).

When Potter made the remark that he has never called anybody names or degraded them in some manner, He is a LIAR just like I said, but I forgot that he is a looney tune from the left! It all fits in place now!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:19 AM:

" Nobody is nastier than TQ, followed closely by HP (the misogynist) and FB (who sees racism in the most innocuous comments). hmmmm...

Still pouting over the Palin comments, huh reddy?

And what's this number two business? Surely someone being called spineless, gutless and a flaming liar deserves some consideration for the top spot.

Guess I'm going to have to try harder. I've got some good Palin stuff to share later. "

JWT wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:44 AM:

" Do George Bush's "No Bid Contracts" fit under this umbrella too?
How could anyone except the mega millionares not be in favor of redistribution of the wealth?
The Republican party has truly mastered the art of getting the average man to support the mega rich mans cause. "

father bob wrote on Nov 16, 2009 10:23 AM:

" JWT wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:44 AM:
"The Republican party has truly mastered the art of getting the average man to support the mega rich mans cause. """"""

i can remember 50 years ago when my father said the "company" had told them not to unionize because "as long as the company was doing well, the workers would be doing well."

sounds kind of like "communism" doesn't it. if the party does well the people do well.

it's the same thing, we just call it capitalism..... "

father bob wrote on Nov 16, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:19 AM:
"Guess I'm going to have to try harder. I've got some good Palin stuff to share later. """"

i'll be waiting! i just love sarah! as long as she's on the catwalk, SERIOUS political contenders are swept aside....

a political harlot!!!!.....LMAO!!! "

Bernie wrote on Nov 16, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Unfettered free-markets-run-amok create horribly out-of-balance economies and cause Great Depressions. "

father bob wrote on Nov 16, 2009 11:16 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:19 AM:
"And what's this number two business? Surely someone being called spineless, gutless and a flaming liar deserves some consideration for the top spot."""""

i'm just proud to be mentioned in the same sentence as you and mr. nasty. i figure if RWB and seedy are calling us out, we've accomplished what we set out to do. quite a complement i'd say. "

Hound Dog wrote on Nov 16, 2009 11:58 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:59 PM:

" Bad news for Sarah Palin. Fact checking results, including the Associated Press's findings, have resulted in the New York Times making the decision to move her book to the fiction category. "

With the left wing hiring 11 attorneys to find any fault with her book, I believe they found 6 minor errors in the 400 some page book. Bet HP hasn't bought or read it, just wanted to "put her book" down. Go buy it, Harry, you could learn something for a change. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 1:06 PM:

" i'm just proud to be mentioned in the same sentence as you and mr. nasty. i figure if RWB and seedy are calling us out, we've accomplished what we set out to do. quite a complement i'd say. "

Dittos, my friend... "

The Shadow wrote on Nov 16, 2009 1:13 PM:

" Do George Bush's "No Bid Contracts" fit under this umbrella too?

Only if Charlie Rangel and John Murtha are included.

Quick!! Someone call Joe the Plumber! The drain on the swamp is awfully clogged!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 1:21 PM:

" No Hound Dog, I have no intention of buying her book, even though it's already been discounted to 4 dollars per copy. I have read some reviews and agree with most of them that it's merely a get even with everyone and cry for me book. Poor Sarah is taking all of you wackos for a ride. I'm betting she's wants to run for president, even though she bailed out on the voters in Alaska when the economy went south. I pray she runs and gets the GOP nomination. I have faith in the American public's' wisdom and don't think she could ever get to the White House. There are not enough people stupid enough to vote for that empty headed dunce for president. "

father bob wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:09 PM:

" Hound Dog wrote on Nov 16, 2009 11:58 AM:
" With the left wing hiring 11 attorneys to find any fault with her book.""""

hmmmm....i've looked and searched the web to confirm that statement. give us a link HD. "

father bob wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:19 PM:

" PolitiFact:

Palin's statements by ruling
Click on the ruling to see all of Palin's statements for that ruling.

* True6(6)
* Mostly True5(5)
* Half True5(5)
* Barely True4(4)
* False4(4)
* Pants on Fire3(3)

so........she tells the truth about 50% of the time. "

cedric66 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Thank you former President George W. Bush and former First Lady Laura Bush

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The media tried their best to show that W was a moron who couldn't make up his mind because he sat thru a class with kids after the first plane hit the towers instead of jumping up and running off. his first question was probably "How bad and Who?"

There was nothing that he could do at the time without that knowledge and there was no time to order jets in the air before the second one hit. but once it was known he wasted no time in letting the information out which put the whole of the united states public on edge against terrorism.

He was gracious when visiting the site and gently laid down flowers, then he brought all he could to bear on part of the party he believed was responsible.

He proved we had a President in contrast to da clown who when visiting the site threw his flowers on the ground. who didn't make any statement on the terrorist who shot up the base for several minutes after he started speaking, and then said virtually nothing on that subject. he didn't go to the base at all, but once again W showed we had a President when he went to the base to try to console the families.

WOW, what a big difference in personalities!! we had a president and we have a wannabe!!!!
so who is/was stupid???? OBAMBI & MOOKIE "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:14 PM:

" I hate to say it, but I'm actually feeling sorry for the right wingers who post on here. They have enough trouble trying to justify the actions of Bush Jr's administration and now they feel they have to defend Palin.

I do enjoying watching the right wingers making excuses for Palin and her dysfunctional clan.

Is Jerry Springer on Sarah's book tour? If not he should be, as Springer's show is the perfect fit for the Palin tribe.

Todd's old business partner, the one the folks in Wasilla say Sarah was sneaking around with, could duke in out for her hand on stage. I won't buy her book, but I would pay to see that one. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 5:41 PM:

" I heard a rumor that Sarah will be doing the next WWE smack down event. The word is that Vince McMahon and Sarah are in serious negotiations for her to appear at the next event. She's wanting to go toe to toe with the McCain handlers, who she felt abused by. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:11 PM:

" Hey seedy, where's that proof I asked for? I guess that we now know who the flaming liar is, huh? LOL! "

The Shadow wrote on Nov 16, 2009 6:35 PM:

" As a Democrat, the former "Dancing with the Stars" participant says "For the next couple of years I am doing the show." Then Jerry Springer adds, "I think about running all the time. I don't go a day without thinking about it or talking about it."

Look out Obamalamadingdong, you've got competition!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 16, 2009 8:46 PM:

" Today we learn that Palin attributed quotes in her book that, according to the people who were there at the time, she completely made up. One of McCain's staffers has offered up e-mails from Palin that prove she was lying. Oh my...
Will seedy be calling her a flaming liar too? lol! "

rangerdave67 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Obama wants to systematically dismantle the American way of life with his socialist agenda.This man is an enemy of the U.S.A and should be impeached immediatly.I am sickened by what he is doing to us and feel defensless to stop the destruction caused by left wing idiots like Obama and Pelosi. "

Traveling Circus wrote on Nov 17, 2009 12:28 AM:

" RangerDave - impeach Obama? For WHAT? Really - you're discontent is based on WHAT? Really, put down the remote that's duct-taped to Faux No-News and go outside and take a walk in the fresh air. Clear that head. If anyone should be impeached (and I said this before he was out of "office"...or vacation) it was good 'ole boy Bush for his bold-faced lies to the American people over this war and his crony-ism. Blast-yer-face-off Cheyney should be in line right behind him. He should be ashamed of himself the way he attacks our President and demeans him.

Well, guess I'm not top dog on the left HP, TQ and FB, but I do like to stop in from time to time to keep hope alive that some day our great country will be free of the craziness of these incredibly whacked right-wing nut jobs.

Oh, on a side note - did anyone see those clips from Faux No-News about the last "march" on Washington? Geez, wasn't it funny that in one scene the trees were orange and gold (ummm...FALL) and the other scene was GREEN (SUMMER!) of the exact same location???? Faux No-News won't even own up to that bold face lie - and it's just the tip of the iceberg. There were probably 25 people there and they didn't want to be ashamed of themselves (as they should be).

Oh, PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE let Sarah Palin run for the Republicans - it will be the easiest win for Obama EVVVER. Perhaps she'll read a few newspapers before her big debates? You know, maybe refresh herself with world events and GEOGRAPHY. Big Fail. Let's call her "Falin". "

The Question wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:33 AM:

" The right wing comments on here get more and more disconnected from reality even as they get angrier and angrier. As Luke Mitchell said in Harper's magazine, Republicans, having lost their status as the party of business, have become the party of mere incoherent rage. "It is difficult to image anything good coming from a system that moderates the will of corporations with the fantasies of hysterics," he said. "

father bob wrote on Nov 17, 2009 9:10 AM:

" rangerdave67 wrote on Nov 16, 2009 9:49 PM:
"I am sickened by what he is doing to us and feel defensless to stop the destruction caused by left wing idiots like Obama and Pelosi. """"""

hehehehehe......get use to it! trust me, eight years will drag by SOOOOOO slowly. being in the LOSING team sucks, eh davie? we had to sit back and watch the Texas Cheerleader Massacre and just bide our time. now it's your turn in the barrel. "

coonbug wrote on Nov 17, 2009 9:18 AM:

" Personally I resent some one telling me I'm unAmerican when I at least served my nation and many here did not.

It's amazing how you right wingers think the only people serving in the military are right wingers. Right wingers are mostly serving themselves during war time in COLLEGE, it's the lefties that end up being the army grunts fighting for your RIGHT to speak. "

even steven wrote on Nov 17, 2009 9:36 AM:

" "...generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the Federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf." --Barak Obama, 2001 interview.

Whether he is a Marxist himself like some of his czars is open to debate, but Obama obviously has no intention of upholding his sworn duty to defend the US Constitution, and judging from the unconstitutional health care takeover monstrosity passed by the House, neither do Democrats (and one Republican) in Congress. "

Hound Dog wrote on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 AM:

" father bob wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:19 PM:

" PolitiFact:

Palin's statements by ruling
Click on the ruling to see all of Palin's statements for that ruling.

* True6(6)
* Mostly True5(5)
* Half True5(5)
* Barely True4(4)
* False4(4)
* Pants on Fire3(3)

so........she tells the truth about 50% of the time. "

While you are at checking for false statements, try checking all of Obama's lies and deceptions. Needs impeachment. "

Bps wrote on Nov 17, 2009 12:42 PM:

" Example of gooberment quality control:

The Recovery.gov Web site was established as part of the stimulus bill "to foster greater accountability and transparency" in the use of the money spent through the stimulus program. The site is a well-funded enterprise; the General Services Administration updated it earlier this year with an $18 million grant for improvements.

But like almost all Gooberment activities, the site is full of self-serving inaccurate information.

Recovery.gov lists hundreds of millions spent and hundreds of jobs created in Congressional districts that don't exist!

Here is a small sample of the self-serving information supporting the bogus stimulus (better named the dummy-crat payback bill):

Arizona's 9th Congressional District, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending.

86th Congressional District in Arizona, $34 million in stimulus money has been spent there.

Oklahoma- more than $19 million in spending and 15 jobs created
Iowa- $10.6 million spent and 39 jobs created

None of these districts exist!

So where did the money go, were jobs created, heck who knows.

You can find the same type of idioticy when the Repub-a-clowns are running things.

How many examples do you have to see to finally understand the powers in charge are just running scam after scam to separate you from your money to give to those who support them and keep them in power? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 17, 2009 3:45 PM:

" In 1958 the communist leader, Chairman Mao, initiated The Great Leap Forward to decimated the existing economy and social structure in China.
In 2009, the communist leader, Chairman Oba-Mao, initiated The Great Leap Backward (AKA the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) to decimate the existing economy and social structure of America. See how history repeats itself? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 17, 2009 5:05 PM:

" You have to hand it to Obama. Realizing Congress and the American public, would find out his job creation numbers were abject lies...he took off to Asia to find out how capitalism works...and from the communist Chinese no less. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 17, 2009 5:09 PM:

" See how history repeats itself? "

Yes it does, Neo. Obama like his predecessor FDR inherited an economic disaster from a failed Republican administration. Obama like FDR is now being accused of being a socialist just like FDR was. Let's just hope the GOP doesn't try to overthrow the government this time, like they did when FDR was president. Are you aware of that attempted coup? I predict that someday Obama's image will be on coins too. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 17, 2009 6:05 PM:

" Obama like his predecessor FDR inherited an economic disaster from a failed Republican administration.
--------------------------
The economic disaster of today is not because of republicans.

It started with the democrats tinkering with the housing and mortgage industry with the The Community Reinvestment Act(CRA) of 1977 back under Carter. It got 'actuated' under Clinton through his executive action inforcement on the Fair Housing Act (1995) and The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999.

Government in general (both repubs and demos) failed because it provided minimal oversite throughout the entire process.

So, get educated on the facts Harry Potter. It would do you some good.

And if Obama's face is printed or ingraved on coinage or currency, it'll be on the Chinese Yuan since he exporting our wealth to them through his doubling of our national debt in just 9 months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 17, 2009 7:14 PM:

" So, get educated on the facts Harry Potter. It would do you some good.

The facts as you see them? Thanks for the laugh, Neo. You never fail to amuse me.... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:59 PM:

" The facts as you see them? Thanks for the laugh, Neo. You never fail to amuse me.... "
-----------------

Oh that's right...you're a democrat...you're not aware of anything further than six inches in front of your nose... "

Bernie wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:09 AM:

" Obama is not dismantling the free market system. He's trying to save it after Bush broke it, and it collapsed from its own top-heavy weight.

Hatred for the military among leftists or Obama is a figment of your own imagination. Our enemies did not respect George Bush, who hid out snorting cocaine and AWOL when he was supposed to be protected from serving in Viet Nam by the good luck of having a daddy who could get him into the Air National Guard. His superiors at the Guard referred to him as "Texas Souffle", (all puffed up full of hot air with no substance) because all he did was hang out and brag about his daddy's connections. He only hung out in the beginning. For the last year he was completely AWOL.

And it takes a person who really hates our troops to lie them into battle using trumped up charges without providing them with the tools to protect themselves, then beg and taunt the enemy to "bring it on". "

Hound Dog wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:40 AM:

" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AP Digs for Dirt in Palin Autobiography; News wire assigns 11 reporters to fact-check former governor's book, but didn't fact-check Obama's... "

Bps wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:43 AM:

" Improper payments by the U.S. government to people, firms and contractors rose sharply to $98 billion in fiscal 2009. Over half the mistakes were made in the Medicare and Medicaid programs.

Source: Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag
------------
That is 98 Billion of waste and fraud in 2009 and there is still a month to go.

They cant run a vaccine program to produce enough on time, cant run Social Security without looting trillions for their pet programs and cant even police payments for Medicare and Medicaid.

Sad, just plain sad. . . . "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:56 AM:

" I'm never surprised at Neonothing's view of the world, and reality in general, but I have to admit I was some what taken aback at his including Jimmy Carter's administration as the root of the current mess.

What Neo and others like him can't admit is that Clinton left office with the economy in good shape, Bush immediately set about destroying the economy. Neo can spin all he wants but this is a reality.

The last time this argument came up he said it was all Barney Franks fault. Stick around, next time it will Big Bird's fault. "

m wrote on Nov 18, 2009 9:58 AM:

" I keep noticing that so many want to blame Bush for what is happening on Obama's watch. Okay. Fine. What I want to know is this, if this is all Bush's doing how can you know what Obama's four years will do until after the next presidential election when someone else is in the WH? If Clinton left office and the economy was in good shape, then by all rights you should be crediting Bush Sr (not slick willy) and whatever happened after Clinton should be "credited" to him and after Jr is blamed for the entire 4 yrs of Obama....do you see the pattern? And yet, none of the liberals seem concerned for the exorbitant amount of debt Obama is leaving as a legacy for your children even though they are always crying about what was left from the conservatives before them. Maybe it is just because they are not as capable of seeing the situation as long-term as they would like us to believe. I have heard it said by liberals a dozen times "Obama has only been in office for a short while, change takes time" which once again shows that you will not see the real effect of his term until he is out of office. The thing is, that's true. I thought most people understood that the effects don't really materialize until a few years have passed and if someone different is at the helm then they are inheriting the previous administrations actions...good or bad...but the liberals on here do not seem to want to acknowledge that part. They just want to lay blame on conservatives and soak up the credit for something that their beloved liberal politicians had nothing to do with. You don't get to have it both ways either, libs....you always want to toss that phrase at conservatives as if that is a truth...so right back atcha. "

father bob wrote on Nov 18, 2009 12:44 PM:

" Hound Dog wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:40 AM:
" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AP Digs for Dirt in Palin Autobiography; News wire assigns 11 reporters to fact-check former governor's book, but didn't fact-check Obama's... """"

oh....so now it's 11 REPORTERS not 11 lawyers as you were blathering about earlier. hehehehhe... "

shumphreys wrote on Nov 18, 2009 1:47 PM:

" M you should read your own arguments.First you object to blaming everything on the previous president then you say that presidents inheret the good and the bad from the previous president. Isn't it best to give credit where credit is due, both good and bad? Obama inherited a mess. Clinton left office with a budget that was balanced and some policies that definitely weren't the best. Bush could have corrected Clintons errors instead he just compounded them and created a huge budget mess. You are right that Obamas presidency can't be judged (effects not really known) until after he is out of office so why are you and others judging him so harshly now? Are you afraid that he might actually succeed and clean up Bush's mess? "

father bob wrote on Nov 18, 2009 2:54 PM:

" " Hound Dog wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:40 AM:
" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AP Digs for Dirt in Palin Autobiography; News wire assigns 11 reporters to fact-check former governor's book, but didn't fact-check Obama's"""""

oh yeah....Fox news....go figure. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 18, 2009 4:39 PM:

" oh....so now it's 11 REPORTERS not 11 lawyers as you were blathering about earlier. hehehehhe... "

Yeah, just a few days ago it was eleven lawyers, I laughed at that one too, fb. "

The Question wrote on Nov 18, 2009 6:19 PM:

" Meanwhile, Fox News is busy lying again, this time to promote the autobiography the Quitter Queen didn't write.
Fox anchor Gregg Jarrett described "pictures just coming into us" as "huge crowds" that have amassed while Palin is "promoting her new book." The pictures that were supposedly "just coming in" were actually year-old video from the presidential campaign. "

291953 wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:25 PM:

" Evening everybody! I see that the Right-wingers are having their Obama-bashing party again. Help me out here; were they not saying the same things about Clinton about 15 years ago? Way to go guys; just change the names and use the same garbage again.

I see that NeoCon is using his usual statements. Democrats can't see 6 inches in front of their noses? At least their noses are level and not stuck up in the air like a lot of the Repubs I've seen over the years.

As for tripling the national debt, do a fact check on what Reagan did to the budget during his years or what Bush jr did during his years. You may bash Clinton all you want but he DID leave office with a budget surplus which Bush jr wasted within 18 months.

As for selling the country to the Chineese, the framework was already there for that when Obama took over.

One last 2 cent worth and I'm gone; Palin is about as presidential material as my dog. However, Newsweek went overboard this week with that cover shot even though most Repubs I have encountered have wrapped themselves up in the flag and the Bible with no intention of honoring either. Bye now "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 18, 2009 8:30 PM:

" As for tripling the national debt, do a fact check on what Reagan did to the budget during his years or what Bush jr did during his years. You may bash Clinton all you want but he DID leave office with a budget surplus which Bush jr wasted within 18 months.
----------------------------

AHHHH yeah...whatever...

All I have to say is...

Obama = $6,000,000,000,000 debt in 9 months! Hahaha!

And obviously you forgot about the downturn in the economy starting in '98 along with 9/11 (caused by Slick-Willy's inaction against terrorists) that decimated the economy at the beginning of his administration.

Hey, ain't it funny though how GWB got re-elected...hahaha!

So thanks for your mindless diatribe...

Now go back to watching your Keith Uberdufusmann show.... "

m wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:14 PM:

" Susan, I do read what I write. Maybe it was a little confusing but what I am saying is that it seems that liberals only want to blame the previous administration if the effects are bad but when a liberal leaves and there are some good effects then it must be due to the libs. If it is bad it is always someone elses fault, if it is good it is always to their credit. They want it both ways. Make sense? My statement does but the logic the libs are using doesn't. Yes, yes, I know, the cons do it too. People are people and you will never find a perfect person...even those as far superior such as yourself...whatever...but people expect their elected officials to represent them.
My problem with Obama is that he does not represent me or most conservatives nor does he represent a lot of democrats. He is aggressively advancing a "New World Order", seeking "Global Governance" and THAT I have a problem with. Bush (actually both of them and Clinton, etc) wanted the same stuff but they didn't have the nerve to push as hard as Obama does. That makes Obama more dangerous. That is not a compliment. He is not exactly a liar about all of his intentions...he just doesn't give the people all of the information. The general public doesn't always recognize that and then it is too late. Obama is not good for our country and that is all there is to it. Of course this is not an opinion shared by all (obviously) but none of us will see the full effects until much too late....see the problem now? No need to answer. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 19, 2009 7:09 AM:

" Fox News Runs Old Palin Campaign Footage, Reports It As Book-Signing Crowds....

That one was so good it's worth repeating, TQ. Sort of like the tea party pictures they tried to pass off a while back. I believe that's 3 times they've tried that scam in the last month or so. Good old Fox news, fair and balanced as always.

Remember the Fox producer that got caught on camera cheering the crowd on at one of their so called grass roots events?

When it comes to events and crowds, Fox seems to go way beyond actually reporting the news, they are trying to make it. "

takeasneededforpain wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:14 AM:

" Todd Reardon wrote on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM:
" Even Steven, oximoronic Facist Left cannot co-exist you should study history as well. "

Go do some 6th grade civics, and you'll notice that Fascism is an extreme offshoot of your right wing (in other words, taking Neo-conservativism o its logical endpoint).

The Left can lean socialist or go as far as Communist... but FASCISM is a RIGHT WING INVENTION.

If you're going to use the term, at least understand what it means. "

Bps wrote on Nov 19, 2009 10:12 AM:

" My, my the loony left cadre of one on this site sure has a thing for Palin. She puts out a book and you go nuts.

The LCoO has made 17 individual Palin slam posts since HPs first introduction of the topic in the thread versus 3 responses from conservatives.

A little bit of an obsession here it seems.

I dont know if we should call it the NGTC loony lefts Palin Envy, Palin Derangement Syndrome, Palin Jealousy or (considering some of your previous little ditties) maybe just Palin Lust.

The irrational hatred pouring from your posts mirrors what we have seen from the talkers and squawkers in the elitist mainstream media all for the most improbable of all the repub-a-clown candidates.

What are you all afraid of, 2012 is still a long way off? "

even steven wrote on Nov 19, 2009 11:59 AM:

" takeasneededforpain wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:14 AM:

Go do some 6th grade civics, and you'll notice that Fascism is an extreme offshoot of your right wing (in other words, taking Neo-conservativism o its logical endpoint).

The Left can lean socialist or go as far as Communist... but FASCISM is a RIGHT WING INVENTION.

If you're going to use the term, at least understand what it means. "

Fascism is a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism,
a political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government, or oppressive, dictatorial control.

Fascism has often been characterized as an extreme right wing ideology, while others have focused on the leftist, big government aspirations of fascist movements to paint them as left-leaning. While either label is really kind of meaningless, the tactics employed by fascists themselves are not unique to the left or right.

Calling someone a right-wing fascist or a left-wing socialist is merely quibbling on terms. Both ideologies give rise to totalitarism and big government.

Thanks for the suggestion to revisit the sixth grade, though. I was unaware the schools were teaching sixth graders anything about fascism these days. When I was in sixth grade, we were still reading about American history and the US Consitution. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 19, 2009 1:56 PM:

" Go do some 6th grade civics, and you'll notice that Fascism is an extreme offshoot of your right wing (in other words, taking Neo-conservativism o its logical endpoint).

If you're going to use the term, at least understand what it means. "
------------------------------

Fascism is not a 'logical endpoint' for Neo-conservativism. If you're going to use the term, at least understand what it means. "

Hound Dog wrote on Nov 19, 2009 2:19 PM:

" father bob wrote on Nov 18, 2009 12:44 PM:

" Hound Dog wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:40 AM:
" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AP Digs for Dirt in Palin Autobiography; News wire assigns 11 reporters to fact-check former governor's book, but didn't fact-check Obama's... """"

oh....so now it's 11 REPORTERS not 11 lawyers as you were blathering about earlier. hehehehhe... "

Not much difference, 11 humans looking for any errors in her best selling book, and nobody looks for faults in Obama's books. Two sets of standards here. Ha, ha, ha. Nit-pickers get a life. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 19, 2009 2:49 PM:

" We have a long way to go in catching up with the crap the right wingers have been putting on here about Obama, Bps. Just to refresh your memory, he's a socialist, a communist, was born in Kenya, consorts with terrorists. One delusional right winger even claims the Saudis paid for his education. I could go on but I think you get my point. And at least the left doesn't have to resort to making up things about Palin. She's a dream come true for left wing posters, and the late night comedians, I might add. Contrary to what you might think, we hope she's here to stay. I say Palin for the top pick of the GOP in 2012. "

The Question wrote on Nov 19, 2009 2:57 PM:

" "Well, let's see. There's -- of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but--"
â€• The blithering moron Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008. "

The Question wrote on Nov 19, 2009 3:19 PM:

" "We have allies who are as concerned about Ahmadinejad's actions as we are. Cutting off the imports into Iraq, of their refined petroleum products. They're reliant ... on those imports. We have some control over there. And some of the beneficial international monetary deals that Iraq benefits from, we can start implementing some sanctions there and start really shaking things up and telling Ahmadinejad, nobody is going to stand for this."
-- The complete fool Sarah Palin, who seems to be under the impression that Iraq is Iran. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 19, 2009 4:06 PM:

" When he [Barack Obama] was at Dover the other day, and went there to pay respect for soldiers, I heard a lot of people on the Right say "Aw, that's just a cheap photo-op." No, I think it was the Commander-in-Chief of our military paying respect to a dead soldier, and I'm grateful that he did that, and I was proud of him for doing that. And I think we all -- as Americans -- should give him credit for doing that.
Mike Huckabee-

A nice thing for Huckabee to say, but it won't play well with the extremist thugs who have taken the GOP over. Contrast his comments with some of the nonsense coming out of the mouth of Palin. Palin has tapped into the hatred so many on the right feel. Hopefully it will get her the GOP nomination. If not, she will destroy the GOP with a third party run. Anything to keep in the spotlight. I have to wonder if McCain realises he may have destroyed his party by nominating her in the first place. "

Bps wrote on Nov 19, 2009 4:27 PM:

" The Question wrote on Nov 19, 2009 3:19 PM:
-- The complete fool Sarah Palin, who seems to be under the impression that Iraq is Iran. "
-------------
Yep, the x-Alaskan governor made a misstatement.

By the way, TQ do you think Obama has had a chance to visit all 57 states yet?

Both were honest mistakes. "

The Question wrote on Nov 19, 2009 4:44 PM:

" "It may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: 'Sit down and shut up,' but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out."
-- The incoherent idiot Sarah Palin, announcing her resignation as governor, July 3, 2009, explaining that actually doing the job you were elected to do is the action of a "quitter," while quitting the job you were elected to do is heroic in some incomprehensible manner. "

Bps wrote on Nov 19, 2009 5:49 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Nov 19, 2009 2:49 PM:
" We have a long way to go in catching up with the crap the right wingers have been putting on here about Obama, Bps. Just to refresh your memory, he's a socialist, a communist, was born in Kenya, consorts with terrorists. One delusional right winger even claims the Saudis paid for his education. I could go on but I think you get my point. And at least the left doesn't have to resort to making up things about Palin. She's a dream come true for left wing posters, and the late night comedians, I might add. Contrary to what you might think, we hope she's here to stay. I say Palin for the top pick of the GOP in 2012. "
---------
17 leftist rant posts against Palin to 3 supporting her sure seems like a trend doesnt it HP?

As far as all the other points you tried to raise, there is a very simple solution. RELEASE HIS RECORDS. How tuff is that?

Gore, Bush, Kerry, Bill & Hillary, etc. did- why in the world is Obama so special he doesnt have to.

If the right is making it up the simple release of his records would sure be a good start in shutting them up.

Lets see- Controlling interest in General Motors, takeover of the student lending authority with the complete elimination of government-backed loan origination by the private sector, government takeover of AIG and other financial instructions, the proposed takeover of health care and cap & trade of utilities, and on and on. . . .

Hum, government takeover of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution sound familiar HP?

What would you call what they have done so far because it sure isnt capitalism.

The polls show that the majority of conservative American voters and most importantly the independents have moved away from supporting him and his policies.

I know you have to try to pick on Palin, Fox news or any other possible Straw Man topic because your guys- Obama, Reid and Pelosi have proven to be such total failures and you have nothing positive to post so you have to keep bumping the treads.

Guess it all really depends on just how bad the Dummy-crat policies continue to be because the 2010 elections are less than a year away.

Right now getting a wedge into the Dummy-crat monopoly in either the House or Senate in 2010 is a lot more important to this countrys future than who runs in 2012. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 19, 2009 5:57 PM:

" The fact any thinking Republican would even consider the simple minded Palin president says a lot about the state of today's GOP. Even old Reagan is probably turning over in his grave. Seriously, the woman is dumber than dirt. The more she talks the more evident that is. She even makes Michelle Bachman and Orly Taitz look like rocket scientists. Having said that, I can see the appeal to some who post on here, especially even and Hound Dog. It looks like even Neo sees that she is rather thin in the thinking department.

How about an assessment of Palin for us, Neo. "

291953 wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:28 PM:

" Evening everyone!! Just stopped in to see the latest gossip. Neo, if you REALLY want to see some "mindless diatribe", read your own postings. They are strange.

By the way, I don't watch Keith Ober-whoever. 1) I have better things to do and 2) don't have the time. Funny about FOX-Y News getting catch with the manipulating, wasn't it?

How did Bushie get re-elected? Karl Rove and his posse did a great con job on the American people. I especially liked the way Bushie called a 51.3% majority a "mandate". Did you know that in his two elections, he failed to recieve 50% of the votes cast? How did he get elected indeed. Gotta go. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:30 PM:

" How about an assessment of Palin for us, Neo. "
---------------------

Here my assessment:

If a Hungarian socialist/psuedo-communist like George Soros (who nearly toppled Great Britain's finanical system) can put a PR guy like Obama in the Whitehouse, there's no reason why wealthy capitalists can't band together to put a PR woman like Sarah Palin in the whitehouse in 2012.

http://tinyurl.com/ylpd88w "

redwhiteblue wrote on Nov 20, 2009 3:53 AM:

" Isn't it interesting that some feel the need to debate whether it was 11 lawyers or reporters who 'fact-checked' Palin's book while ignoring the question as to whether Obama's books were fact-checked? At least some in the mainstream media have felt the need to fact-check some information coming out of the White House regarding the so-called 'jobs created or saved' data. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmrG7eLs-dQ "

The Question wrote on Nov 20, 2009 6:12 AM:

" "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan."
-- The delusional diva Sarah Palin, whose grasp of geography is something less than tenuous. "

takeasneededforpain wrote on Nov 20, 2009 8:19 AM:

" Ah, now I remember why I moved to Tennessee...

The snake handlers and moonshiners make more logical sense. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:23 AM:

" If a Hungarian socialist/psuedo-communist like George Soros (who nearly toppled Great Britain's finanical system) can put a PR guy like Obama in the Whitehouse, there's no reason why wealthy capitalists can't band together to put a PR woman like Sarah Palin in the whitehouse in 2012.

I have to say that was about the type of weaselly answer I expected from you to a fair question, Neo. I'm well aware of your hatred for Obama, but unsure of where you stand with Palin. Not quite ready to admit your a Palin fan yet, huh? To tell you the truth, I thought you were too smart to be a fan of hers, but then again, maybe not. lol! "

father bob wrote on Nov 20, 2009 9:47 AM:

" The Question wrote on Nov 19, 2009 4:44 PM:
"-- The incoherent idiot Sarah Palin, announcing her resignation as governor, July 3, 2009, explaining that actually doing the job you were elected to do is the action of a "quitter," while quitting the job you were elected to do is heroic in some incomprehensible manner. """""

hey TQ, keep up the good work. i'm away for a week. be back in chicago. i'll tell ayers and wright hello for you guys... "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 20, 2009 10:05 AM:

" Here's one right up Jon V's alley:

Sarah Palin has never been shy about criticizing her critics. So to start off her book tour for the much anticipated Going Rogue -- itself filled with scathing comments about people who didn't offer her their wholehearted support -- Palin had a few more angry words for her foes.

In an interview with CBN News in Grand Rapids Michigan -- the first stop on the tour -- Palin said her critics were lonely, shallow and in need of prayer.

Yup, if you don't support Palin, you're in need of prayer now. This gets better by the day. "

The Question wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:21 PM:

" Isn't it interesting that Palin's pom-pon girls here are all so afraid of fact-checking? Interesting, and revealing, and very, very funny. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:27 PM:

" I have to say that was about the type of weaselly answer I expected from you to a fair question, Neo. I'm well aware of your hatred for Obama, but unsure of where you stand with Palin. Not quite ready to admit your a Palin fan yet, huh? To tell you the truth, I thought you were too smart to be a fan of hers, but then again, maybe not. lol! "
-----------------

Harry, Harry, Harry...you know I don't like to be painted into a corner...but Weaselly?...wow...now that hurt...hahaha!

Do I think Sarah Palin is the sharpest tool in the shed?

No, but I've never thought Obama was the sharpest tool in the shed either.

I'm not trying to evade the question/issue...it's just the most qualified seldom get to live in the WH.

Personally I think Steve Forbes can overwhelm just about anybody in the political arena with smarts and capability...but we know what happened when he ran for office...nothing...

Oh...and nothing personal against lawyers such as Oba-Mao...but I have never meet one, regardless of what highfalutin law school they attended, that overwhelmed/impressed me with their brilliance. To be a lawyer means to be able to twist verbiage and to remember dates, facts, and past case/legal precedences...that's hardly rocket science, let alone systems analysis.

And as I said before...'the sharpest tool in the shed' and THEE most qualified and to be in the WH out of the last field is...Mitt Romney.

He had/has impeccable credentials...but he I don't foresee him getting elected in 2012...he's not enough of a PR guy...

How's that for more 'weaselly'?

BTW...I don't hate Obama...I just hate that he's sssssoooooo far to the left and that he's such the uber-articulate-PR guy...in essence an empty suit. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 20, 2009 4:33 PM:

" Latest Polls by Public Policy:

Favor-ability /unfavor-ability

Palin = 47%/42%
Obama = 49%/46%

Keep it up dummycrats...

Keeping making ol' Sarah P. into a PARIAH...and watch her get shoved right into the WH in 2012! hehehe!

Gotta love the 'cult of personality types' like Obama and Palin, don't ya?

Yupper, you betcha! "

291953 wrote on Nov 22, 2009 9:43 AM:

" Neo, I salute your last two posts. I too do not think Palin is presidential material(perhaps of a local PTA, but that's it). What you said about Steve Forbes impressed me. I once intended to vote for him if he made the "finals", but it didn't happen.

Serious question for ya; comment on two also-rans from 2008; Fred Thompson and Huckabee. They were the two Repubs I was looking at, but they didn't make it. I'd be interested on your views of them. Later. "

Cognitus wrote on Nov 29, 2009 7:45 PM:

" Matt oon:" I am always amused when I hear about conservatives claiming that Obama is a "socialist" or a "communist."
You forgot that even-steven also called him a fascist (tho I doubt he could define "fascist" even if threatened with a XXXXX on his leg". "