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Friday, October 30, 2009 10:30 PM CDT
LETTER: Some veterans don't get the same respect



I was a US Army soldier from 1977 to 1981. I did not serve during a declared war, but nevertheless, I did serve with heroes.

I enlisted to preserve the security of the United States and the NATO alliance. We served during a trifle and all but forgotten spot in American history known as the “Cold War.” I served on a Pershing 1A missile base in the then-Federal Republic of Germany.

We carried live ammunition 24/7 and it was our responsibility to safeguard 18 nuclear missiles known then as the “nuclear deterrent” to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe.

For those who have never been told about this poignant time in history, the threat was very, very real.

From the cessations of action in Vietnam and until the Berlin wall came down, at least 62 Americans were Killed in Action, hundreds were Wounded in Action, 18 are still Missing in Action, and an estimated 5,000 died in American military operations, exercises, missions, and support activities.

The Cold War in Europe was a real war, fought with real weapons, with real ammunition. An actual military theater of operations existed.

Five million US military members teamed up with NATO allied nations military forces to prevent the USSR-Warsaw Pact military forces from invading Western Europe.

It’s kind of ironic that I and my brothers in arms that served then can’t become a real member of the VFW. We “didn’t count as war veterans.” The fact is that many thousands of American War Veterans never served a second of combat, nor did they ever leave American soil.

We still died in uniform, were routinely shot at and did in fact kill insurgents that jeopardized the security of Europe. Go tell thier loved ones they served and died for nothing.

Any veteran has my utmost respect. I wholeheartedly revere the respect and love finally shown to our returning heroes.

I as well as a lot of my fellow returning soldiers were spit on in airports, preyed upon by everyone from Hare Krishna’s and panhandlers to unscrupulous cab drivers. There were no USO volunteers, no bands playing, and never a thank you from anyone; in fact, there was no eye contact likened to what the public now shows to the homeless. We still served our country with pride.


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devilishangel61401 wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:56 PM:

" Thank you for your service. I am sorry if you or any of your fellow service members have been overlooked. A freind of mine whose in the Army says that " when a solider enlists that solider signs a blank check to the United States of America payable with his or her life." All veterens past, present and future have my undying respect and gratitude. Thank You all for serving your country with pride. "

CrowWoman wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:04 PM:

" I, too, would like to thank you for your service to our country, Mr. Bridges. If any laws or rules stand in the way of equal recognition of your service, I hope that they will soon be changed. "

writer6193 wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:03 PM:

" Thank you very much. We left in green fatigues with wide eyes and clueless minds and came back as men wiser beyond our years afraid to wear our uniforms in public just to escape the ridicule. Your friend was right about the "blank check;" we did swear to defend America against all enemies, forign or domestic. What we didn't know was that in many respects the enemy was ourselves and our public that was protected by the very same Republic whose Costitution we vowed to uphold. Time will heal these wounds but for me they are still very real. Please support the Cold War Veterans Medal, send a Christmas card or two to "any Veteran" at our Danville VA Home, and please say a prayer for peace. "

Mama says wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:57 AM:

" Is there a list and we can address personally to vet who sending cards?
Just to Danville seems a little cold,
whereas names, address, would be better
and actually be a penpal?
Sending to soldiers is good also to do.
We have to thank many for what have given and to the families who have given their hearts. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:49 AM:

" It's bad enough that our government has all too often turned it's back on our veterans, but it's unthinkable that a veteran based service club would do it. "

father bob wrote on Nov 2, 2009 12:57 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Nov 2, 2009 7:49 AM:
" It's bad enough that our government has all too often turned it's back on our veterans, but it's unthinkable that a veteran based service club would do it. """"


i agree. but the sad fact is, the club makes their own rules regarding membership, and not necessarily to cater to the masses of deserving american veterans. "

Danny Boy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 1:12 PM:

" John, get an enrollment form from the VFW National Organization, via the web or by mail. You will not be denied membership. Then you can have access to any VFW anywhere. "

Danny Boy wrote on Nov 2, 2009 1:16 PM:

" or:.......

Must have served overseas during a conflict for which you received an expeditionary medal, a campaign medal or ribbon, or


"imminent danger/hostile fire pay"

They are real flexable with this clause. "

jrhendren wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:54 AM:

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jrhendren wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:55 AM:

" Thank you to all our men and women who have kept us safe. Those we know about and those we don't! THANK YOU!!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:47 AM:

" I curious as to why no one have posted anything defending the current policies of the VFW. Having served in Korea during peace time, I am eligible to join, but have to wonder why my fellow vets who served in Europe and other places aren't given the same right. Why is my service placed above theirs? I have to add that, in my opinion, this makes the VFW look rather hypocritical. I have also read that there is a movement in place that wants to change all of this. Anyone know the status of this? "

CrowWoman wrote on Nov 3, 2009 12:42 PM:

" It definitely sounds as if some rules need to be changed. writer6193, you should write something about your experiences. What you posted here was poignant--and engaging--not to mention informative, since I didn't know about VFW policies. "

Danny Boy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Harry, it may be that Korea is still an actual "War Zone", and Peace time Europe is not. Where I live almost any Vet can join.

I served during the Beirut Lebanon time period. (U.S.M.C)

I never set a foot on their soil. I joined through the VFW National Organization, and had no problem. My Cards were Kansas City, then Washington D.C., as my Local Chapter.

I have Friends who served during Nam, but never left America, and they are VFW members...go figure..... "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 4, 2009 11:03 AM:

" Danny Boy wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Harry, it may be that Korea is still an actual "War Zone", and Peace time Europe is not. Where I live almost any Vet can join.


You're probably right about the Korean issue, Danny Boy.

But if some clubs are letting all veterans in and some are not, it sounds like more of an issue of inconsistent interpretations of the rules.

The VFW, like all service clubs do great things in their communities. I would just like to see the local clubs be open for all veterans. I don't feel that my service in Korea was more valuable than that of my fellow vets who served in Europe and other places of deployment. With the exception of those who have relatives in high government positions (an age old problem), none of us chose where we would be sent. "

Steve Senteney wrote on Nov 4, 2009 12:21 PM:

" VFW membership qualification can be obtained at the following Internet site:
http://www.joinvfw.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=

This site essentially states the following for VFW eligibility:
Must be a US citizen
Must be currently in the US military or have an honorable discharge
Must have served overseas during a conflict for which you received an expeditionary medal, a campaign medal or ribbon, or imminent danger/hostile fire pay and/or
Received the SSBN Deterrent Patrol Insignia, the Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB), the Combat Medic Badge (CMB), the Combat Action Ribbon (CAR), the Combat Action Badge (CAB), the Air Force Combat Action Medal (AFCAM), or Air Force Expeditionary Service Ribbon (with Gold Border)and/or
Served 30 consecutive days duty in Korea or 60 days of non-consecutive duty in Korea and/or
Be currently deployed in an area that qualifies for VFW membership.

If my memory serves me correctly and some would question if it does, when I joined the Mattoon VFW when we returned to Mattoon about 5 years ago, I had to provide a copy of my DD-214 form which I received at the time of my Army discharge. I believe it was explained to me this requirement was due to a life insurance policy that came with Mattoon VFW membership. The DD-214 includes information that indicates whether a veteran meets the VFW membership qualifications.

When I had joined the Champaign VFW many years ago, I don't believe I had to provide the DD-214 form and probably did not get the life insurance policy.

I was not able to just transfer my membership from the Champaign VFW to the Mattoon VFW, I had to join the Mattoon VFW via membership application with a copy of the DD-214. I had no objection complying with their request and received my membership card very quickly.

American Legion membership eligibility as listed on the Internet as follows:

Membership Eligibility
If you are on active duty today, serving honorably, anywhere in the world, or have served honorably during any eligible war eras, you can become a member of The American Legion!
Membership Eligibility Requirements
April 6, 1917 to November 11, 1918 (World War I)
December 7, 1941 to December 31, 1946 (World War II)
June 25, 1950 to January 31, 1955 (Korean War)
February 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (Vietnam War)
August 24, 1982 to July 31, 1984 (Lebanon/Grenada)
December 20, 1989 to January 31, 1990 (Panama)
August 2, 1990 to today (Gulf War/War On Terrorism)

Hopefully this information is helpful to clarify who is and who is not eligibile for VFW and American Legion membership. "

sapient wrote on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM:

" If it is the rules of the VFW and/or the American Legion to not allow these brave soldiers to join THE RULES NEED TO BE CHANGED. "

dct wrote on Nov 4, 2009 7:18 PM:

" My husband is a member of the VFW and I am a member of the Auxiliary. My Auxiliary book has the eligibility requirements to join the VFW. One of those is the Army of Occupation of 30 consecutive days in Italy, Germany (except West Berlin), Korea, Japan, Austria, or Germany (West Berlin) during the time of anywhere from 1945 until 1990. Of course membership also requires verification of the DD-214 or any other separation papers. If you are eligible for membership, we would love to have you join our Post. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 5, 2009 7:35 AM:

" It appears that not all clubs are adhering to the same membership requirements. Why would different clubs have different requirements? "

Steve Senteney wrote on Nov 5, 2009 1:47 PM:

" Reference post of Mr. Potter in which he states "It appears that not all clubs are adhering to the same membership requirements. Why would different clubs have different requirements?"

It is my opinion that this is like individuals, some follow the rules and some don't. I believe the Mattoon VFW follows the rules which is the correct way to be fair to everyone. The DD-214 form that is provided at discharge normally contains the information to determine VFW membership. Mattoon requires it and it is easy to comply with their requirement. I believe and it has been now 40 years, most of us had our DD-214 recorded at the county recorders office upon discharge should we ever need a copy and not be able to locate one at home.

As your post indicated, why would not all clubs follow the rules? My compliments to the Mattoon VFW Post for following the rules.

However, as the original letter writer indicated, some veterans do not meet the qualifications for membership. I would encourage those who want to join and do not meet the requirements, initiate efforts to change the qualifications via lobbying the national officers of the VFW. It is not a local decision. "

catlover wrote on Nov 5, 2009 6:39 PM:

" I served in the US Army during the Vietnam Era but was also denied entrance into the VFW because I was never sent overseas, since it is the Veterans of Foreign Wars. I still don't think it was fair. We may not have gone overseas but we did contribute in a major way while here in the States. "

 

 




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