" Once again....no one cares. They are dead....money won't bring them back....

What will be the next ridiculous "Main Headline" this rinky dink newspaper will come up with????? "

" well, it's a shame that it had to happen, but at the same time, if the company had of had a second person watching the upper deck, those boys may of been alive today "

" Once again, out of court reasonable settlement, driver was not charged with any wrongdoing, and was not at fault. "

" There are lots of people that care. Money may not bring those boys back, but it may give some kind of closure for those families. How much colder can your heart be. You are a mean, mean person.

If you don't like what the newspaper has to say then don't read it! Don't bother posting any comments about it either. There problem solved! "

" Peter, perhaps you should consider reading the Chicago Sun Times. See, in a small area such as this, the headlines my not read as gruesome as you may like. I find your comment offensive and disturbing. The families are in an enormous amount of pain I am sure. While I agree that a law suit will not return them, and my own opinion is that the Lincoln Springs and the owners are not at fault. However, there must be a more suitable way to word things. Who cares? I would venture to say that quite a few do. And if you are not one of them, why comment? "

" I can see where this is going "He said,She said" Somebody is clearly lying.Seem to me that parents cant take responcibiltiy for raising irresponcible children.Got to blame somebody for the lack of teaching their children how to behave and act.Opps excuse me these were grown adults,Who should have known better and paid attention.and maybe not have gotten so drunk,This is pittyful,just pittyful!!!The bus driver is not a baby sitter. "

" Fighting Hitler in WWII also did not bring back the people he slaughtered. Putting a guy in jail for murder will not bring back those individuals he killed.

But this, of course, has nothing to do with bringing people back, and you know that. You just couldn't think of anything intelligent to say, I presume. So you decided your approach would be to ridicule a family that lost a son. I'm sure lots of folks will follow your classy example. "

" Ah yes, the country with the most lawyers per capita and per square mile on the planet. Grieving parents, Chicago law firm, everybody's the victim, opportunity, pride and greed. Death with a pricetag, like everything else. It's now a shameful tragedy, not simply a tragedy. "

" Peter_Venkman wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:33 PM:

" Once again....no one cares. They are dead....money won't bring them back....

What will be the next ridiculous "Main Headline" this rinky dink newspaper will come up with????? "

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I care. You should have said "I" not "no one". If you don't like the rinky dink paper then don't read it. I don't understand some of the stupid remarks people make on these posts. They really don't contribute, they just make sure everyone knows that they are mean, cold hearted smart@##$% that everyone wishes would keep those kind of remarks to themselves.

I am against the lawsuit. I don't think people should sue when clearly these were adults that knew it was dangerous to stand up. Do you think being told or reading a sign would have made a difference? Did they REALLY need a babysitter? Would that have stopped them from standing at that moment. Doubtful. The boys made a stupid fatal decision. It's very sad, but the fact is, they are responsible for their own actions drunk or not. "

" Willow I'm not looking for more gruesome stories just some that are less predictable. We know they are going to sue...that's what people do in this day and age. Always attempt to point blame at someone else irregardles of who was at fault. Bottom line is.....these adults are dead....we all know the story....so why prolong this with a lawsuit? Next thing we know the families will sue the Alcohol Company which made their loved ones get intoxicated. "

" 1st---Once again....no one cares--well obviously people care or it wouldn't be in the news. People may not agree with the lawsuit, but they still care.

2nd.---"if the company had of had a second person watching the upper deck, those boys may of been alive today"---this may be true, but they are adults and should not have needed a chaperone. Everyone else on that bus was smart enough to stay seated so i do not see how the driver is at fault. People need to take responsibility for their actions. If my child got drunk at a bar and drove home and killed someone on the way, am i going to blame the bar for serving my child alcohol, no..my child was the uneducated one who got behind the wheel of a car drunk and hurt someone, it would be their fault and noone elses. I don't feel that these ADULTS needed to be babysat and that seems to be the argument of how the bus company and driver are at fault.

3rd--There are lots of people that care. Money may not bring those boys back, but it may give some kind of closure for those families.---seriously closure in the form of money, give me a break. Its not like these men were murdered anonymously, or kidnapped, they were killed in a terrible ACCIDENT that yes could have been prevented in many ways, but i don't see how winning money is going to bring the family closure. I find that theory a little ridiculus.

It is very tragic and i could never imagine loosing my child especially in such a terrible way and my prayers are with the families, however i still feel that they need to turn to other options of coping and responsibility, rather than looking for monetary compensation and to blame anyone but themselves or their Children. It is part of the grieving process to find blame wherever we can and that is ok, its how we choose to deal with it that makes the difference. "

" Two thoughts:

1. Mr. Venkman, "irregardless" is not a word.

2. Lots of people are quick to defend the bus driver. This tells me they probably lack objectivity. Just as someone who is friends with the family might. "

" Does anyone see a pattern of negligence on the part of this company. How many suits have been filed against them because someone has died. Money is not everything but the only way to punish people like this is to take away what is most important thing to them ie....Money "

" Perhaps the state should consider notching out the overpass girders,to give people that won't sit down a fighting chance at survival.
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At least they got a new clearence sign outta the deal. "

" Sometimes settlements are reached to avoid showing the true negligence of the party being sued. "

" I've mentioned before that I've rented this bus before. Regarding the chaperon issue, the company gives you a choice to either accept the company's chaperon or to provide one of your own in their contract.

Obviously, if there was not a company provided chaperon on the upper deck of the bus, then these individuals chose to provide their own. I wonder who that was supposed to be. If you don't accept the company's chaperon, you are responsible to provide the chaperon and place them where you want them and then to abide by the rules and regulations that they give you.

They also explain the rules and instructions to you and they are pretty clear about them.

This type of lawsuit names everyone possible. Later on, the people or companies that don't apply will be dropped from the lawsuit. Let's just be patient to see how this plays out. It is too soon to blame anyone yet.

After all, the company might have some recourse in this also, I guess we'll have to see. "

" Nurse98 Trust me the last thing that is the "bottom line" to this company is money. Graywood Enterprises first and foremost priority is their clients! The entire reason that Mr Oruwari built Lincoln Springs Resorts is so that it would help provide a wonderful place for clients and their families to spend time togther. When the site is 100% done there will be cabins for client's families to come and stay while they visit their family member who is a Graywood Client. The site is planning on having an on site store of some type so that the clients who are able to work can do so on the site. When I placed my son in Graywood I and my DCFS worker who helped me find a suitable group home for my child were told of the plans for Lincoln Springs Resorts. And let me tell you this much out of the 15 State Approved Group Homes I visited Graywood was the best one!! My son has been a resident in a Graywood home for the past 7 years and everyone involved in this company is wonderful! Their priority is taking care of their clients and they do a wonderful job of doing just that!! Also, for some of these kids and adults in the program the staff is the only family they even have!! Just as people ask for respect for these two young men's families I ask for respect for those of us who have a family member in the company's facilities. Bashing Graywood and Lincoln Springs resorts is not going to get anything settled. For those who say "people are defending the driver of the bus" the truth is unless we were there we only know the facts that were given to us from this paper or any other news source. This newspaper has reported on more than one occasion that the passengers were asked to sit down, their have been posters who have said they have ridden this bus and had no issues or problems and signed a waiver saying they understood the risks and rules. There is one "foolproof" way to clear the company and driver and to put an end to any question of liablity on their part, and that is to close off that section of road for a short time period, have the bus go under it with NO PASSENGERS and Videotape the bus going under the underpass!!! You will be able to quickly see if there is enough clearance for the bus alone to go under that paticular underpass! Then you repeat this using Maniquins SITTING DOWN on the Top level of the bus!! That will prove without a shadow of a doubt who truly is at fault for this terrible horrible tragic incident/ accident.

I am very sorry for the families and freinds of these young men who lost their lives. If I sound "biased" you darned right I am! Because Graywood was the answer to my prayers for my son!! If he had not been placed there he surely would have been dead, because he would run off from home and lay on the train tracks in Galesburg where we are from and there is a train every hour on the hour!! I had adults that could not get out of my many locks and alarms but my son could and did! Graywood has taught my son everything that every doctor has said he would "never do" I have seen my son whom I was told would never talk, talk and be understood by everyone around him, he has freinds and interpersonal relationships with caregivers which he was never supposed to do either, my son no longer cries all day long for no apprant reason, he is well cared for, and well loved. Graywood has given me back what I lost when my son was diagnosed with Autism and Moderate MR.. HOPE!! "

" At least they got a new clearence sign outta the deal. "


You mean the ones that were there before the accident. "

" NO the ones I observed them installing afterwards. "

" devilsangel:"Graywood has given me back what I lost when my son was diagnosed with Autism"

I know a family who found they had a son with autism. Instead of putting him in a "home", they got special treatment for him and are giving him a family life, and it is surprising how well he is responding to attention and special care at his family home. "

" Cognitus wrote on Oct 24, 2009 10:13 PM:

" devilsangel:"Graywood has given me back what I lost when my son was diagnosed with Autism"

I know a family who found they had a son with autism. Instead of putting him in a "home", they got special treatment for him and are giving him a family life, and it is surprising how well he is responding to attention and special care at his family home. "


Actually my son lived with me until DCFS told me that either I put him in a group home or they do it for me. As I said, I had adults that couldn't get out of my house and my son still could! He would go and lay on the railroad tracks and that kid could outrun me whether I was on foot or in a car, Heck he could even outrun my dad on his motorcycle! I did try to get DCFS to find me "special help" and they balked at it, the state gave me respite help and my best freind my son's godmother lived with us and the DCFS worker and her boss told me "it didn't look apporiate to have two women living toghter" that was my freinds job and she stayed up all night with my son, I worked days while he was at school. I moved here to this town to be with my son, Galesburg where we are from is 3 hours away, and I do go see my son everyday. The people at his house are now part of his family so my son still does get "family care" and let me say this its a lot easier to keep your special needs child at home when you have extra help, my parents both worked two jobs, my ex husband refused to do anything to help and other than my son's godmother everyone else had to work by the time they got off work everyone was too tired from working all day long to come by and "help" Placing my son in a home was not my first choice but it has proven to be the best thing for him! "