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Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:14 PM CDT
COLUMN: That carrot-on-a-stick thing might work for students, but not voters



I expect it’s fair to say that most high school students, if they don’t have it already, would like an open campus so they could go wherever they want for lunch.

I’m sure it’s also fair to say that most school officials, who definitely don’t have it already, would like to have as much funding for their districts as they possibly can.

Now, what’s that old saying? “...want in one hand and spit in the other, and see which one fills up first...” ... edited for a family newspaper, that is.

The Mattoon school board on Tuesday was asked to consider allowing “responsible” juniors to leave the campus for lunch one day per week. Seniors already have the privilege of exiting school grounds for the mid-day mealtime.

Ah, how intriguing. I think it’s nice to reward good behavior, since far too often bad behavior gets punished and the good things that people do are simply taken for granted.

But I’d really expect schools to set the bar juuuust a BIT higher.

The Mattoon plan would allow 11th-grade youth to have their one-day-per-week freedom from school cafeteria fare if they, 1., maintain at least a C average, and 2., have no disciplinary problems — at least, not in the most recent three weeks.

Well now. Aim high, kids! Just maintain those C’s and only get in trouble every four weeks, and your reward is waiting for you!

It’s disappointing to me that the proposal doesn’t require young people to at least maintain a B average or, better yet, have all A’s. Are we willing to so easily reward mediocrity?

Of course, not every student is capable of getting all A’s; the idea of letting average kids get a pat on the back too has its appeal.

But do we have to reward young people just for doing what they should do anyway? Is that the only reason that will interest them — the carrot on the stick?

Ah, but the problem is, so many adults now are like this. I’ve hired — and fired — more than a few young people in my career who thought that just showing up for work and filling an empty seat was enough.

I don’t need a pat on the back for doing a good job, either at work or anything else. It just seems automatic to me to always do the best I can at anything I try.

Drat! My parents are to blame for this seemingly inherent work ethic that I cannot shake. “Work first, play later,” is what I learned.

So what happens to me? I can’t sit in my recliner at home and relax to watch TV unless the housework is all done first. I can’t relax on a day off until my “chores” are completed.

What dastardly training! And I don’t recall any carrot-on-a-stick schemes, most of the time, from my parents. Strangely, they seemed to think that you do the right thing because, well, it’s the right thing to do.

Imagine.

I’ll be curious to see what Mattoon’s school leaders decide on the Freedom for Well-Behaved Juniors Initiative (that’s my catchy little name for the plan; like it?). It’s expected that the board will vote next month on the proposal.

Even if the school board doesn’t disappoint moderately smart, mostly rule-compliant juniors, I think Mattoon and other Coles County school leaders are in for a big letdown in February.

With the Coles County Board’s vote Tuesday night, the question of a 1-percent sales tax to help fund schools will go before voters in the spring. Mattoon, Charleston and Oakland school leaders — pretend to be surprised, now — all support the move to add the sales tax to help fund operations and maintenance.

School officials say that if the proposal passes, they’ll be ready, willing and able to lower property taxes and use income from the sales tax instead.

Yes. They do think we all were born yesterday.

I don’t blame school folks for trying. Certainly, we need to rely less on local property taxes to fund schools. If this really was a tax “swap,” I could vote for it.

But there’s no requirement for school boards to reduce their property tax levy if an influx from sales taxes comes in. They say they’ll do it — they’re putting a carrot on a stick in front of voters. Well ...

In Mattoon in particular, school leaders have a credibility problem. Fair or not, many folks remember the referendums for new schools that were voted down. Yet ... Mattoon got its new elementary schools.

I’m not arguing whether or not those schools were needed. The fact remains that the school board didn’t abide by voters’ wishes, so what voter would reasonably trust the same district’s school board to make this revenue swap?

I’d like to reward school districts for responsible behavior, really. But there have to be criteria.

They’d have to, 1., maintain at least a B average in their Credibility With Taxpayers classes, and 2., have no disciplinary problems for the entire school year.

Oops. I seem to be getting my topics mixed. There surely is no connection between rewarding the good behavior of teenagers with a privilege versus giving school districts a new tax because, well, they SAY they’ll give up other funding.

It’s not as if either group could be expected to do what’s right for the sake of the fact that it is right, or make do with what they already have because that’s what taxpayers, in their own lives, have to do.

I guess I’m just confused. If it were up to me, all high schools would have closed campuses, at all grade levels, and school funding would come from ’most any other source more fairly distributed among the population than property taxes.

But then, I got C’s in math. I doubt I’d do better if I went to high school now, even with a new carrot-on-a-stick policy for lunchtime roaming.

I just don’t like carrots that much.


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Mama says wrote on Oct 15, 2009 6:09 AM:

" LMAO,,,,,another GOODY FROM PENNY.
When I was in highschool, we had the snack shack on Marion Avenue and for a quarter have a maid rite, bag of chips for a dime, and a foundtain coke for 15 cents. Those were the good ole days.
I hear complaints about the cafeteria and when visited found nothing bad to say. Kids just don't want healthy food.
The vending machines have variety. If you are there on your HONDA, I wanna ride to fast food with you Penny. lol.
I can feed ya the carrot stick as you do the driving. LMAO. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 AM:

" Excellent article, Penny. I am in agreement with you on most of your points. Not giving students an extra privilege for disciplinary problems was right on target. Where I take exception with your comments deals is the grade average issue. While I believe that most students don't get decent grades is because of sheer laziness, but keep in mind there are some kids who just can't get good grades no matter how hard they try. Should we punish them for their inabilities?

I also share your skepticism on the tax issue. Unless a guarantee of property tax reduction I will not support it. By circumventing the voters on the new school issue, the voters in Mattoon were left with a sour taste in their mouths over anything the Mattoon school board says. The voters will no doubt reject it. People remember these things.

Lastly, I don't like carrots either. My lovely wife has tried many sneaky ways over the years to slip them into the family menu. She pretty clever, but I'm onto her little ruse. Both of my kids recently admitted that they developed a system of rolling green beans up in their napkins when they were quite little. I haven't tried that one yet. After hearing our kid's admission on that, I think she might be watching me. lol! "

Airy Dite wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:24 PM:

" Good column!!! Seems to me a reward should be an incentive to do better. What kind of reward is one lunch a week off campus? I don't think there's much incentive here for D students. "

father bob wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:36 AM:

" mediocre is the new norm.

no child left behind and teaching to the test have left the country with a generation of citizens who are illiterate and have little hope for a life other than servitude. the masses working for the rich and corporate powers that have been given the reins of this country while our children know less than some in third world nations.

30% of high school graduates can't read at an acceptable level, spell or make change from a cash drawer.... "

Cognitus wrote on Oct 17, 2009 12:21 PM:

" fbob: "teaching to the test have left the country with a generation of citizens who are illiterate"

I don't disagree with father bob's
observation, but I do criticize the
concept of "teaching to the test".

When a reward is based on an explicit activity, people, quite reasonably, generally take advantage of it.
Wherever tachers are rewarded on the
test restults of their students, that means the test restults are the most important goal of administrators -- so teachers strive to produce that result -- by "teaching to the test".

I've always opposed evaluation of teachers based on test results. If I'm instructed to clean a sidewalk, and evaluated on cleaning the sidewalk, that's fair. But if I'm rewarded on getting SOMEONE ELSE to clean a sidewalk -- someone who may not have had breakfast, whose parents are being divorced, whose parents sneer at clean sidewalks, who may dislike me because I criticized yesterdays sidewalk cleaning (may even have got a nasty call from his parents for having given him a poor sidewalk cleaning evuation yesterday) -- the evaluation is not quite fair.

That's a little like dismissing a pastor whose members of the congregation do not leave pure lives. "

Bps wrote on Oct 17, 2009 1:07 PM:

" I am sorry to deviate from this threads discussion of Pennys fine article, but I just couldnt let this post pass un-addressed:

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father bob wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:36 AM:
" mediocre is the new norm.

no child left behind and teaching to the test have left the country with a generation of citizens who are illiterate and have little hope for a life other than servitude. the masses working for the rich and corporate powers that have been given the reins of this country while our children know less than some in third world nations.

30% of high school graduates can't read at an acceptable level, spell or make change from a cash drawer.... "
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History isnt much of a strength of yours is it fb?

On January 8, 2002, Bush signed into law the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001.

This is 2009 so in just eight years and I quote you that it- left the country with a generation of citizens who are illiterate and have little hope for a life other than servitude.

So like always you over simplify and let your hatred of all things bush blind you yet again.

No, fb the no child law isnt the cause of the problems in the public school systems.

At worst it is just another failed attempt by government to legislate success without addressing the root causes of the problem. The problems are much, much older than this law and go a lot deeper.

You are right that our educational systems in large metropolises are a failure at all levels, but the blame for the situation can be shared by teachers, administrators, government, students and parents.

Why do you think there have been such a flight of people to smaller school systems and the growth in the private schools that have sprung up all over the country over the last twenty plus years?

This is the direct results of caring parents and families who want their children to have a quality education.

They are following the age old pattern to success of one generation pushing the next generation higher through the proven technique of using education to move up.

Magnet schools, school vouchers, private schools (religious and other) and even the home schooled has continually shown very good results but funny thing, the gooberment/teacher union controlled schools just continue to get worse and fight against anything that changes the statu quo.

For what it is worth, my opinion is it is the direct result of 30 plus years of liberal indoctrination and corruption by those at the University level and the continued twisting of the system by radicals. Want an example- read some of Bill Ayers works on education reform, curriculum, and instruction. He is just one of many, many education leaders at the University level that have corrupted their students and sent them into the school systems to carry on their work of the destruction of the country they hate.

Throw in a good dash of enablement through political collaboration and corruption (examples- Chicago, Detroit, etc) and you have the waste of trillions upon trillions of dollars intended for student education siphoned off into selected individuals pockets.

Now add in a good helping of the breakdown of family structure and the targeted propaganda of the- it cant be my fault class warfare economics of the left - and you have the major causes.

Maybe we should ask Harry p what his generation of teachers / adminsitrators (who were the implementers of the current mess) think went wrong. After all he has said he is a retired teacher and by his own words still consults on school curriculum development. Maybe he can explain why he and his peers have shown such poor results. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 17, 2009 2:32 PM:

" no child left behind and teaching to the test have left the country with a generation of citizens who are illiterate and have little....

30% of high school graduates can't read at an acceptable level, spell or make change from a cash drawer.... "
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"A generation of citizens", eh?

40 years is a generation.

The No Child Left Behind Act was enacted January 8, 2002.

NCLB didn't ramp up until only about 3-4 years ago.

That's far from a generation.

But hey, JG-TC...please keep posting the profound quotes from your "regulars" in the paper.

I find them quite comical...

It demonstrates their "brilliance".... "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 18, 2009 11:50 AM:

" But hey, JG-TC...please keep posting the profound quotes from your "regulars" in the paper.

You're one of the regulars, Neo. So why do you get ignored? Could it be because you mostly post nonsense and throw little school girl hissy fits?

You need to get together with Reddy, she was whining about the same thing on another thread. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 19, 2009 9:59 AM:

" So why do you get ignored? Could it be because you mostly post nonsense and throw little school girl hissy fits?
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I could care less that they put my posts in the paper.

My issue is that they put non-nonsensical, embarrassing diatribes from clowns like The Question, Cannon Fodder Bob, and you in the paper repeatedly.

Could it be they have nothing else to print or is it they want to demonstrate to everyone how much of a joke your posts are? "

father bob wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:55 AM:

" Cognitus wrote on Oct 17, 2009 12:21 PM:
" fbob: "teaching to the test have left the country with a generation of citizens who are illiterate"

I don't disagree with father bob's
observation, but I do criticize the
concept of "teaching to the test".""""


maybe "illiterate" is not quit correct, but DUMBED DOWN is.

why does the "greatest nation" have to import intelligence? because we can't produce enough qualified people to meet the needs of industry.

our kids are learning to throw curveballs and no other pitches. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:42 AM:

" I could care less that they put my posts in the paper.

My issue is that they put non-nonsensical, embarrassing diatribes from clowns like The Question, Cannon Fodder Bob, and you in the paper repeatedly.

Could it be they have nothing else to print or is it they want to demonstrate to everyone how much of a joke your posts are?


Another hissy fit by Neo? Stop whining, and maybe they'll give you one too, Neo. You might consider letting up on the name calling too. lol! "

cedric66 wrote on Oct 19, 2009 3:30 PM:

" It is no surprise that the left fears facts. In every commie country, no dissent is allowed and those who preach the truth are persecuted and/or murdered.

Those on the left can't bear to hear facts cited and become angry and belligerent when you do so. This is why they're trying to shut down AM conservative talk radio and are outraged by the success of Glen Beck's radio and, particularly, TV show.

The Big Lie can't succeed unless there are no opposing views aired and the left knows it. These evil people need to be continually challenged if for no other reason that it distracts them from the destruction of our country. Look at how many speeches the Bozo in the White House has made to 'clarify' his positions "

Mama says wrote on Oct 19, 2009 6:10 PM:

" There will always be whiners, defense for the drinking and driving fan club, and REASONS NOT TO USE SAFE METHODS to control disease, so we are all an assorted bunch here and I like to read what others think on variety of subjects. I may not agree but THEY DO HAVE RIGHT TO SAY IT. lol.

And a good reason not to eat carrots. "

Bps wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:42 PM:

" father bob wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:55 AM:
maybe "illiterate" is not quit correct, but DUMBED DOWN is.

why does the "greatest nation" have to import intelligence? because we can't produce enough qualified people to meet the needs of industry.

our kids are learning to throw curveballs and no other pitches. "
--------------

Hey, on your curveballs statement- here is an idea, maybe . . . .

we should ask Harry p what his generation of teachers / adminsitrators (who were the implementers of the current mess) think went wrong.

After all he has said he is a retired teacher and by his own words still consults on school curriculum development.

Maybe he can explain why he and his peers have shown such poor results. "

woodtick wrote on Oct 19, 2009 9:40 PM:

" Closed campus is a sign of closed society. One day a week out for an hour is hardly liberty! Not worth changing behavior in order to qualify.
The kids thought they'd be "free to choose" if they stayed out of trouble & after they did, the offer changed to one day per week & then the offer changed to "pending board approval."
Why don't they trust us? "

father bob wrote on Oct 21, 2009 12:57 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Oct 19, 2009 3:30 PM:
" This is why they're trying to shut down AM conservative talk radio and are outraged by the success of Glen Beck's radio and, particularly, TV show."""""



now that's downright funny! no one is trying to shut down talk radio, conservative or otherwise. that's another of the lunatic's made-up "news" stories. and believe me, i don't think the left is "outraged" at glenn beck's success. we're more in awe of the sheer number of ignorant illiterate morons who actually believe him.

but hey......they must feel a connection with the manic-depressive, drug addicted, adulterous, uneducated liar....birds of a feather...LMAO! "

 

 




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