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Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:44 PM CDT
LETTER: Nobel Peace Prize is for the 'preceding' year

CONNIE MANES, Mattoon

Mike Huckabee says the following:

“There will be an outcry from those on the right who will say that Obama’s nomination, made two weeks into his presidency, is impossible to justify, but I think such an outcry will sound like right-wing whining,” Huckabee wrote. “The better response is simply to allow those on the left to explain what he did in his first two weeks as president that merited such recognition.”

It’s not about just the first two weeks of President Obama’s administration, Mr. Huckabee. The Nobel Peace Prize he won is about the way he handled his campaign and the way he approached American citizens and their desire for change.

It was also about the way he approached other nations around the world. It was about the way he showed everyone they deserved to be listened to and respected for their ideas.

It’s about the way he took on the establishment and proved that anybody could run and become a leader if they worked hard enough for it.

It was about the famous speech he made about race. That speech is considered as famous as Martin L King’s, “I have a Dream” speech.

It was about the way he got people to follow his dream.

Just look at the pictures and listen to the stories of those he visited across this nation during his campaign. He made history with all types of folks of all ages. He made history with the amount of people that came to see him at his rallies. Thousands traveled for miles to see Barack Obama in person.

Go back and look at the pictures and videos that were shown during Obama’s campaign in the United States and in places like Germany during his world tour in July of 2008. Look at the pictures as he spoke to over 200,000 people wanting to see and hear his opinion about the world’s views and our connections.

No, Mr. Huckabee, President Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize wasn’t about his first two weeks in office. It was about the way he drove the world to the idea of “change” in 2008.

For those unaware, Mr. Nobel’s “Will” says the award should be for achievements during the preceding year.

President Obama received the award for his campaign and bringing the idea of change to the world. Plain and simple.

CONNIE MANES

Mattoon

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Stanley Stetson wrote on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 PM:

" * another boot licker weighs in * "

HeinekenMan wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:54 AM:

" Mr. Stetson, name-calling is how they solve an argument at my son's grade school. I hope your mom packs you a good lunch today! "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:22 AM:

" As usual Connie, great letter. As far as the crowds go, compare the behavior of those attending Obama/Biden events with the behavior of those attending the McCain/Pain events. With the Obama/Biden gatherings you saw hope and optimism, while we saw angry mobs yelling obscenities and things like "Kill them" from those attending those of McCain and Palin. To his credit, McCain did chastise those types of behaviors, but Palin merely smiled and basked in the attention she was getting. I think this issue alone played a big part in Obama's victory. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:43 AM:

" Get real he ran for president of the USA not the world. What speech about race? "

bob wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:50 AM:

" I agree 100%! NICE ARTICLE! "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 16, 2009 8:54 AM:

" Get real he ran for president of the USA not the world. What speech about race? "

Of course you wouldn't know, Vanatta. Fox news probably didn't carry it. "

father bob wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:04 AM:

" Stanley Stetson wrote on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 PM:
" * another boot licker weighs in * """"

yes you did... "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:15 AM:

" Gel real Mr. Vanatta (what speech about race) were you asleep during the past year? No wonder you are so out of touch with reality. If America is the leader of the "FREE" world than the American Presidential candidates are running for leadership of the "FREE" world. "

father bob wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:27 AM:

" Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:43 AM:
" Get real he ran for president of the USA not the world. What speech about race? """""

actually jonnie, you'd have to be a member of the HUMAN race to understand what connie is talking about.

now go lay in the corner like a good boy. "

fairmark wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:57 AM:

" Sweet thoughts connie, but what are your thoughts on George Soros, who owns Obama and the democratic party?
You know, the billionaire who helped sniff out jews for the nazi's in WW2.
Let's hear some sweet-talk on Obama's sugardaddy.
I'll be looking for your info... "

coonbug wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:48 AM:

" The world had seen the way the United States was willing to invade a nation out of simple fear (without being attack by that nation), they had seen how our leadership would bully others into doing what they wanted. The President of United States is NOT only elected FOR the American people, although we are the ones that vote for them.

Our National Security and influence in the World relies heavily on WHO is our president, if you don't understand that, then you are one of the problems.

As for what RACE speech --- if you don't know about this speech, then you know very little about the whole campaign last year and we are wasting our time talking to you about it. "

even steven wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:19 PM:

" Obama is much more deserving of this award than was Arafat. "

father bob wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:20 PM:

" even steven wrote on Oct 16, 2009 1:19 PM:
" Obama is much more deserving of this award than was Arafat. """"""

thanks...you finally are getting the picture.

praise be to allah! "

M wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:29 PM:

" My problem with our new president is that he is too concerned about the rest of the world. He should recognize the fact that we are THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and not the united countries of the world. In that lovely speech he gave in Germany he stated that "The burdens of Global Citizenship will bind us together. Americans and Europeans will be REQUIRED to do more, not less. Leadership and cooperation between nations is not a choice. It is the only way." The key words are 'leadership' (as he fancies himself a potential world leader of combining countries) and 'requires', which is a primary component of fascism. If the American people had paid attention to what this man was saying they would never have elected him President. I don't care who you are but if you are a real American then you are against fascism...and you should recognize it for what it is. And that bit about "global citizenship"...we are citizens of the USA first and foremost not the other way around. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:42 PM:

" Oh now I get it, you meant the racist speech didn't you? But wait, all his speeches are racist right after he does that little beep-t-bop on final approach to the podium. "

dstew66 wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:22 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:15 AM:

" Gel real Mr. Vanatta (what speech about race) were you asleep during the past year? No wonder you are so out of touch with reality. If America is the leader of the "FREE" world than the American Presidential candidates are running for leadership of the "FREE" world. "

"FREE" World? Mr. Obama's world is anything but "FREE." "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:08 AM:

" You are right Dstew as those war mongers on the right love to say, "Freedom isn't FREE". "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:13 AM:

" M Obama realizes that human boundaries don't keep anything in or anything out, "The World is Flat, A Brief History of the Twenty-First Century" by Thomas L. Friedman should be a must read for everyone. This America First isolationism will harm all of us. "

unknownjoe wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:18 PM:

" I think it's awesome that someone who has never done anything and never will do anything actually wins a prize. I definately think that the "O" should get the Cy Young award for best pitch at a Major League All-star game. Possibly a write in for the Heisman Trophy. Definately has my vote for the biggest butt smooching world tour ever. This president is a greater threat to American Lives than Al-Qaeda. Since when winning an American Presidential Election nods for a Nobel Prize. You would think Spongebob Squarepants had a better chance of winning. You know, cuz Spongebob took on the establishment and even rode the Hasselhoff to get king neptunes crown back. Much more daring and notable achievements than O'bamalamadingdongs. "

red,white,blue wrote on Oct 17, 2009 8:57 PM:

" Get the stars out of your eyes Connie. You've been drawn in and sound like some teenybopper in love with a pop idol. Sadly, there are many like you who aren't really hearing the words but he sure sounds good! And of course we all know that's the important thing. "

The Question wrote on Oct 18, 2009 6:07 AM:

" Gosh. How will America ever recover from the disgrace of having the president win the Nobel Prize? "

Hound Dog wrote on Oct 18, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Yea, we sure did get "change" didn't we? Change and deception is what we got, and the shadow government with the Czars. Why all the school papers, medical records, Illinois state senate schedule and records, law practice list, and of course his birth certificate are either - NOT AVAILABLE OR NOT RELEASED?
America, why all the deceptions and secrets? Hmmmmm, wonder, wonder. The sunlight will expose our leader soon. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 18, 2009 1:44 PM:

" unknownjoe, that is a good point and you know Obama really deserves to win the Sy Young award too because he did throw the first pitch at the all star game and you know I betcha he was thinking about doing that during the preceding year while he was campaigning for president! "

The Question wrote on Oct 18, 2009 1:52 PM:

" You right-wingers simply must quit lying about Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii. It's available online, and his birth was announced at the time in TWO HONOLULU NEWSPAPERS, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin.
Case absolutely closed, unless you are not sane. "

tempwayfarer wrote on Oct 18, 2009 2:49 PM:

" shumphreys, yea, I guess you're right about human boundaries being ineffective. So you think that section of the Berlin Wall in the courtyard of the Ronald Reagan Library is not a monument to the Triumph of the human Will To Be Free, but just a trophy of an egotistic warmonger? You decry isolationism, yet when we help other parts of the planet throw off the chains of slavery to bad governments you think we should mind our own business. It is all too obvious you represent that portion of humanity which is all too eager to relinquish personal responsibility in exchange for the security of submission.

"Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. .....It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."
-Alexis de Tocqueville,
Democracy in America- "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 18, 2009 5:10 PM:

" " Gosh. How will America ever recover from the disgrace of having the president win the Nobel Prize? "
-------------------------------------

America will recover that debacle eventually, right after the country climbs out of the $1,420,000,000,000,000,000 deficit Obama put the country in.

Oh...never mind...I guess maybe America won't get over it! "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 18, 2009 8:16 PM:

" Now the White House has admitted through one of Obamas spokesperson White House Communications Director Anita Dunn that they control the media. Surprise surprise surprise! This is Obamas communications director that looks upon Communist Chinese leader Mao Tse-tung, whose draconian policies are blamed for the deaths of tens of millions of people as one of her favorite political philosophers.

This is change, yes it is, but where is the hope? "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 18, 2009 9:50 PM:

" on Vanatta wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:42 PM:

" Oh now I get it, you meant the racist speech didn't you? But wait, all his speeches are racist right after he does that little beep-t-bop on final approach to the podium. "

Another example of Vanatta's spreading the word of Jesus? "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:05 AM:

" Tempwayfarer you said it in your own post too bad you don't understand what you said. "WILL to be free". There is a GREAT difference between cramming democracy down a countries throat and encouraging and supporting a country that has the "WILL" to go after it. Democracy is more than "FREE" elections, more than a Constitution on a piece of paper. BUT I am sure a person like you doesn't understand what democracy is. "

father bob wrote on Oct 19, 2009 10:37 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 19, 2009 8:05 AM:
" Tempwayfarer you said it in your own post too bad you don't understand what you said. "WILL to be free". There is a GREAT difference between cramming democracy down a countries throat and encouraging and supporting a country that has the "WILL" to go after it. """""

perhaps they can make them all Baptists while they're at it....LMAO!!! "

The Shadow wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:52 PM:

" Susan's letter stays, Connie's goes. Just like your website, it doesn't have a leg to stand on. lol! "

Bps wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:08 AM:

" Alright, Prez road trip time again. . . .

Obama heads to New York for campaign fundraisers- Less than one year from his own election, President Obama is dashing into campaign mode again, devoting coveted time toward getting Democrats elected in November and generating cash for his party in 2010.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/...pr_wh/us_obama

The clock is ticking in Afghanistan with our soldiers dying, Obama still cant decide on the request from the top commander in Afghanistan for more U.S. troops, but he can run to New York to try to raise money for politics.

Nothing like priorities is there. . . . "

The Shadow wrote on Oct 20, 2009 8:44 AM:

" Thanks jg-tc. lol! "

M wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:15 AM:

" shumphrey's cracks me up. She is always on here but never really says anything other than "I'm sure a person like you wouldn't understand" or "that was rhetorical but you wouldn't understand" or some such puffed-up nonsense that only a true narcissist would appreciate. I'm sure there are other words in between her condescension but somehow they just get over-shadowed by her ego. Hilarious.

I see Tempwayfarer is kicking her butt again. Even more hilarious. "

father bob wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:21 AM:

" more blatant GOP WASP talk....

Two South Carolina County Republican Party chairmen stepped up to rebut criticism of Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) in a newspaper editorial Sunday. But their defense of the senator might be overshadowed by their use of an anti-Semitic stereotype to praise him.

After a Democratic state senator wrote in The State that DeMint didn't bring enough money back home, Bamberg County GOP Chairman Edwin Merwin and Orangeburg County GOP Chairman James Ulmer responded that he was just looking after the nation's pennies -- like a Jew would. "

father bob wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:22 AM:

" latest poll shows fewer republicans.... "

sapient wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:32 AM:

" Connie: If one received the Nobel Prize for the crowds that come to hear him speak Billie Graham should have won it for the fifty years prior to his retirement. "

GrampaC wrote on Oct 20, 2009 12:48 PM:

" jg-tc poll:
84%-No, Obama doesn't deserve Nobel Peace Prize
16%-Yes, he does.
People here in Coles County have spoken.
Must be a FOX NEWS conspiracy! "

nurse98 wrote on Oct 20, 2009 2:49 PM:

" President Obama has done nothing to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize and to compair him to such a great person as Martin Luther King is in bad taste he is yet to prove himself. I do not believe he should win it for promises he has not yet delivered. (He is a politician don't hold your breath) "

The Question wrote on Oct 20, 2009 3:16 PM:

" I don't think I'm interested in any international political analysis from someone who can't spell the word "compare." "

father bob wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:18 PM:

" GrampaC wrote on Oct 20, 2009 12:48 PM:
" jg-tc poll:
84%-No, Obama doesn't deserve Nobel Peace Prize
16%-Yes, he does.
People here in Coles County have spoken.
Must be a FOX NEWS conspiracy! """""

just shows where a hub of uneducated rednecks reside....that's all. and besides, who would believe a poll conducted by the JG-TC. "

father bob wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:21 PM:

" The Question wrote on Oct 20, 2009 3:16 PM:
" I don't think I'm interested in any international political analysis from someone who can't spell the word "compare." """""

dang TQ, you expect him to be able to spell too?

it's probably taken him and two of his relatives all day to string together a sentence. "

Bps wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:08 PM:

" father bob wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:22 AM:
" latest poll shows fewer republicans.... "
------------

Telling half the story might make you feel better but you should really quit trying to slip a spitball by the rest of us.

Now for the rest of the story:

37.5% of American adults considered themselves Democrats (DOWN FROM 41.4% in Nov., 2008) A DROP OF 3.9%

32.1% of American adults considered themselves Republicans (Down From 33.8% in Nov., 2008) A DROP OF 1.7%

Funny thing bobby, the polls show an even greater reduction in Dummy-crats.

More importantly- 30.4% of American adults considered themselves INDEPENDENTS which is up from 25.6% in Nov., 2008. AN INCREASE OF 4.8%!!!

While we are at it, wonder how your anointed one is doing:

Obama Approval Index -12

Strongly Approve 28%

Strongly Disapprove 40%

The US is on the Wrong Track 61%

(All from current Rasmussen Reports)

Yep fb, nothing but bad news for you is there? "

tempwayfarer wrote on Oct 20, 2009 6:53 PM:

" shumphreys said: "BUT I am sure a person like you doesn't understand what democracy is." Actually I do. It is mob rule. A Constitutional Republic (which is what we have) prevents that by supplying some structure and guaranteeing individual rights. This protects non-majorities from the howling mob, in theory.

I am apparently not enlightened enough to understand the rest of your comment. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 20, 2009 8:54 PM:

" " I don't think I'm interested in any international political analysis from someone who can't spell the word "compare."
------------------

You are the DRAMA QUEEN, young and sweet, only seventeen...

DRAMA QUEEN, feel the beat from the tambourine....OH YEAH!!! "

GrampaC wrote on Oct 20, 2009 9:30 PM:

" Uneducated rednecks FB?
jg-tc pollsters just cut thru all the rhetoric connected with Chosen One and the Nobel Prize Committee to indicate their gut feelings! Ever had a gut feeling FB that was CORRECT? Pollsters just cut thru the tainted and biased media presentations. That takes someone whom is possibly more educated than you think. Of course, FB, your two universities I'm sure are quite superior to ours here in Coles County.
The Coles Pollsters just cut thru the maze of Obama cornfield hype. But man, he sure sounds good!!
If the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded as a contest, Obama probably would win if it were a basketball free throw shooting contest.
And if the Peace Prize is awarded for the 'preceeding' year, well, what did Obama do that could be measured for such accomplishments prior to being President? "

CrowWoman wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:07 PM:

" Wow, NeoCon, you're especially over the top this evening.... "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 21, 2009 12:16 AM:

" As usual Connie flowery words about Obama, or as some would call it fertilizer. His campaign, like McCain's was some of the worst seen. They both trough more mud then ever before. They both took money, in a hurting economy, like never before. They both lied like never before.
"during the preceding year [...] shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." - Nobel's Will

Obama did none of these things in his time before his Presidency, not is he now. You speak of him " the way he showed everyone they deserved to be listened to and respected for their ideas." As long as they were at his $1000 dollar a plate campaign dinners. He still is not listing, when you look at the fact that the people continue to say, "keep the Government out of my health care" and yet they keep trying to get in. Does he deserve respect? Absolutely he is our President, something a lot on the left never did for the former President. He was however not qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize, but then look at the fact they gave the same prize to Yasir Arafat. "

Beaches wrote on Oct 21, 2009 6:19 AM:

" My concern is that he won this award and he really hadn't done much for "peace" - campaigning to be elected is enough to win a world-wide peace prize? I am not saying that I don't believe he is capable of truly earning the prize, I just don't think he had done it by the time he was nominated. Awarding the prize merely for "potential" wouldn't seem to meet the requirements, but before you all attack, I admit I don't know the specific requirements. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:40 AM:

" Actually Tempwayfarer we have a Democratic Republic. But that is beside the point. The point is that Democracy can't be forced upon a people they have to want it and work to create it and sustain it. That doesn't take enlightenment just a willing to face reality. But then that is what enlightenment is. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 21, 2009 10:01 AM:

" I see where Bush's choice to head Homeland Security, Bernard Kerik, is behind bars this morning. Kerik is also a former business partner with Rudy Giuliani, a Republican candidate for the Republican party for president in 2008. If there is any justice in the world, he will be joined by the architect and head cheerleader of the Iraq invasion, Dick Cheney. I would suggest the place for these crooks is Gitmo. Water boarding optional. lol! "

sapient wrote on Oct 21, 2009 11:26 AM:

" If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
If a liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:34 PM:

" " Wow, NeoCon, you're especially over the top this evening.... "
--------------------------

I have my moments....

To be honest though...

I'd rather be waterboarding... "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:36 PM:

" This arguing over whether Obama deserved or doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize is kind of silly. He got the prize, once awarded it can't be unawarded.Your opinions count for didly squat. Those who don't think he deserved the prize look like sore losers and spoilsports. It is a fait accompli. Get over it. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 21, 2009 3:24 PM:

" It is a fait accompli.
-------------------------

yeah... besides that it a waste of time...

:-b "

tempwayfarer wrote on Oct 21, 2009 5:43 PM:

" shumphreys, when was the last time you voted for President? Answer: never. We have an electoral college, not direct popular vote. That is not a Democracy.

Originally U.S. Senators were supposed to be chosen by States (not the voting public) but that has been changed to a popular vote, which was a mistake since it was the job of U.S. Senators to look out for the States' interests. Had they been doing so we wouldn't have to be running to the 10th amendment now to rescue us from a Federal Government run amok (for the last 80 years). We should undo that change so the U.S. Senators could do their original job of protecting States.

As for "imposing democracy", that is impossible. What we did is throw out the tyrants in Iraq and Afghanistan and impose elections. If those peoples did not want a representative form of government they could have done what the Jordanians (often mistakenly referred to as Palestinians) did and vote terrorist organizations into power, thus removing any necessity for further civic participation. But Iraq and Afghanistan did not vote in the Taliban (etc), they are having a go at a representative form of government. This decision is pretty good evidence that they are glad we threw out the tyrants and provided opportunity for as close to free elections as they seem capable of at this point. Hopefully they will get the hang of it.

Please don't waste electrons critiquing their elections or I will have to direct your attention to our very own Chicago, where rampant corruption runs rampantly rampant.

I agree with you that a willingness to face reality results in enlightenment. "

tempwayfarer wrote on Oct 21, 2009 5:48 PM:

" I have found the explanation for the Nobel Prize. President Obama was awarded The Prize for getting people of different races to drink a beer together after his Professor friend got arrested. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:00 PM:

" A Goldman Sachs International adviser defended compensation in the finance industry as his company plans a near-record year for pay, saying the spending will help boost the economy. "We have to tolerate the inequality as a way to achieve greater prosperity and opportunity for all," Brian Griffiths, who was a special adviser to former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, said yesterday at a panel discussion hosted by St. Paul's Cathedral in London.

That's right folks, they're just taking those big salaries to help all us little people out. "

M wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:13 PM:

" "tempwayfarer wrote on Oct 21, 2009 5:48 PM:
" I have found the explanation for the Nobel Prize. President Obama was awarded The Prize for getting people of different races to drink a beer together after his Professor friend got arrested. "

Now it all makes sense. ha "

The Question wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:23 PM:

" As for "imposing democracy", that is impossible. What we did is throw out the tyrants in Iraq and Afghanistan and impose elections.
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Beside the point. What was the FIRST THING U.S. forces did in Iraq? Search for those dreaded, nonexistent WMD that Rummy knew the "exact" location of? Shout three cheers for "Iraqi freedom?" Don't make me laugh.
No, the first thing U.S. forces did in Iraq was to secure the oil ministry. That was the real point.
Don't listen to what the words say, as Adler said. Instead, watch where the feet go. "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 21, 2009 11:24 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:36 PM:
" This arguing over whether Obama deserved or doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize is kind of silly. He got the prize, once awarded it can't be unawarded.Your opinions count for didly squat. Those who don't think he deserved the prize look like sore losers and spoilsports. It is a fait accompli. Get over it. "

Wonder if she would have felt the same way if Bush had won it? Anyone want to take a guess? "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 21, 2009 11:25 PM:

" The Question wrote on Oct 21, 2009 7:23 PM:
" As for "imposing democracy", that is impossible. What we did is throw out the tyrants in Iraq and Afghanistan and impose elections.
---
Beside the point. What was the FIRST THING U.S. forces did in Iraq? Search for those dreaded, nonexistent WMD that Rummy knew the "exact" location of? Shout three cheers for "Iraqi freedom?" Don't make me laugh.
No, the first thing U.S. forces did in Iraq was to secure the oil ministry. That was the real point.
Don't listen to what the words say, as Adler said. Instead, watch where the feet go. "

Don't you get an automatic update on your talking points? Maybe you should try to find some new ones, since these are old, and have been proven erroneous already. "

The Question wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:28 AM:

" When the U.S. troops entered downtown Baghdad, they headed straight for the Oil Ministry building and threw up what they called a "protective shield" around it. While other Iraqi government buildings, including the Ministry of Religious Affairs and the National Museum of Antiquities, were looted and wrecked, while Iraqi hospitals were stripped of medicine and equipment, Iraq's oil records were held absolutely secure by the U.S. military.
Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, explained, "I think it's, as much as anything else, a matter of priorities."
Yes. And that would be the same, unstated, shameful "priority" that prompted Bush to lie the U.S. into that disaster of an invasion and occupation, killing hundreds of thousands of people. "

The Question wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:29 AM:

" Wonder if she would have felt the same way if Bush had won it? Anyone want to take a guess?
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But Bush did win it, jr. He won it for Obama. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:39 AM:

" Tempwayfarer Does the electoral college vote for Senators and Representatives in our state house as well as the US House and Senate? NO we do. That is a democracy. Do I get to vote on County Board members, electric coop directors, city council members (well I don't I don't live in a city) but you get my drift. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:42 AM:

" And just who Tempwayfarer did the Iraqis vote into power, a man that supports democratic principles? Get real. A forced election does not bring about a democratic form of government. Bush also claimed that his intention was to bring them a Democracy. As I said you can't cram democracy down peoples throats. "

All The Way wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:03 AM:

" Just curious...what exactly did he do in the previous year? And if he hadn't been elected would he have won the prize? "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:44 AM:

" Wonder if she would have felt the same way if Bush had won it? Anyone want to take a guess? "

Don't lose any sleep waiting for that to happen, jr. Bush's legasy has already been established, and I doubt that any Noble awards are in his future. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:53 AM:

" What was the FIRST THING U.S. forces did in Iraq? Search for those dreaded, nonexistent WMD that Rummy knew the "exact" location of?
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Now Ellen...are ou gonna write a dramatic letterto the paper of this? OOPS! "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:07 AM:

" On Gitmo:

Hoping to cast further light on the potential illegalities that took place at the detention facility, the group is also working to obtain records about why and how music was used (under laws authorized by the Bush administration) to effectively torture suspected terrorists. The musicians have officially endorsed a Freedom of Information Act request for the declassification of all secret government records pertaining to music utilized during interrogations. At least two members of the coalition, Reznor and Morello, have had their music linked to interrogations.

"Guantanamo is known around the world as one of the places where human beings have been tortured -- from water boarding, to stripping, hooding and forcing detainees into humiliating sexual acts -- playing music for 72 hours in a row at volumes just below that to shatter the eardrums," said Morello, in a statement provided by the NCCG. "Guantanamo may be Dick Cheney's idea of America, but it's not mine. The fact that music I helped create was used in crimes against humanity sickens me -- we need to end torture and close Guantanamo now."
Tom Morello-

The legasy of Bush and Cheney is sealed... "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 9:20 AM:

" On the current feud between the White House and Fox news:

I recall Bush the elder and his long running feud with CBS. No mention of that from the fair and balanced network.

And now Fox is whining about liberal members of the press being invited to the White House. Again, no complaint when Bush Jr invited a group of conservative radio hosts to the White House for private meetings.

In their daily assault on the president, Fox news has a short memory. "

even steven wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:32 PM:

" The White House's war against Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and now the Chamber of Commerce is a pitiful display of cowardice by a thin-skinned, incompetent President. He would rather silence any dissent than engage it, which is the ultimate sign of weakness and narcissism. Let's take a look at what Obama has accomplished: he's hosted some pretty lavish parties every week at the White House while the economy spirals down on his watch and unemployment numbers rise. What a guy! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:46 PM:

" On the current feud between the White House and Fox news:
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Now don't you really mean George Soros vs. Rupert Murdoch? "

father bob wrote on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 PM:

" i see where cheney was chastising the president for his slow decision making regarding afghanistan. i have to wonder how he can morally stand up in front of hundreds of people and actually have the audacity to talk about military strategy. he's nothing more than a draft dodging coward who will go down in history as a common criminal who used his power to rape the country of billions of dollars and thousands of lives. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:39 PM:

" Mr. Hendren if Bush had won a great prize I would have known to keep my mouth shut and keep my opinion about his "worthiness" to myself. I don't believe in shooting myself in the foot as you and many others insist on doing. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 22, 2009 2:01 PM:

" The Question, you better check the spelling on that word from Harry Potter "legasy" because I don't think you could be interested in Harry's political analysis if he can't spell the word "legacy". "

The Question wrote on Oct 22, 2009 2:02 PM:

" Oil creep T. Boone Pickens just announced that "we" should just take all the oil in Iraq because "we" are entitled to it. And by "we," he doesn't mean the American people, of course. He makes it quite clear that he means the greedy oil companies who can cut him off a nice, thick, juicy slice of money pie.
Stealing all the Iraqis' oil from the "liberated" (ha ha) Iraqis. Starting to connect those dots now, at last, are you? "

The Question wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:19 PM:

" Harry gets a pass, Vanatta. I had a vision that informed me that God has changed the spelling of the word just for him. Praise be. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:33 PM:

" Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 22, 2009 2:01 PM:

" The Question, you better check the spelling on that word from Harry Potter "legasy" because I don't think you could be interested in Harry's political analysis if he can't spell the word "legacy". "

Hey look ever one, Jon caught me in a spelling error. Happy to have made your day, Jon. Feel better now? lol!

And while we're getting critical on spelling and English, you might want to check out the sentence below that you posted recently.

Now the White House has admitted through one of Obamas spokesperson White House Communications Director Anita Dunn that they control the media.

Wouldn't that be spokespersons (plural). Let's see if you can find the other error. Hey, I can get nit picky too, Jon. lol!

I'll be sure to let you know when I spot any more. Hey, what are friends for, huh? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:21 PM:

" " Harry gets a pass, Vanatta. I had a vision that informed me that God has changed the spelling of the word just for him. Praise be.
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Well of course Harry gets a pass...liberals don't pass judgment over liberals...maybe we should just stop waging war and provide health care "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:17 PM:

" Well of course Harry gets a pass...liberals don't pass judgment over liberals...maybe we should just stop waging war and provide health care "

When was the last time you passed judgement on any of your fellow right wingers on here Neo. Oh wait a minute most of you are the same person. Never mind, sorry... "

tempwayfarer wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:22 PM:

" shumphreys, I was referring to the Federal government. States are set up along more Democratic lines. (Except California where one can vote in 62 languages and it is illegal to ask voters for ID.)

As for Iraq, anyone (including Bush43) expecting them to instantly become a Jeffersonian Democracy is unrealistic. Actually, there is no hope for anyone there over 35, the only hope is for their kids, and that takes time. 2 generations under tyranny has pretty much messed up the older folks who know nothing else.

Afghanistan has a different problem. Unlike Iraq which has cities, Afg has the village system. Hard to have a Democratic government (of any flavor) when the Village Elder decides what everyone under his jurisdiction will do.

I have a son who has served in both countries several times (lifer) and he says what is necessary in Afghanistan is to build an East/West & North/South railroad. That would take advantage of its central trade-route location; =good for local economies. Railroads bring law and order, an incentive for government to expand into and be accepted in remote areas.

I will not defend Bush's motivations for going into Iraq but once there we have a duty to win. Victory is defined by a self-sustaining representative government and a stable, productive economy. They're working on it, I hope they succeed. Those people never voted before so we can't expect them to instantly be better at it than Chicago.

But alas, we seem to have gotten off the topic of the Nobel Peace Prize. Perhaps I will answer some other letters. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:43 PM:

" Well hey Harry I sure do appreciate you pointing that out to me spokespersons I got it. What I appreciate even more is that you went back and reread about that spokesperson and one of her favorite philosophers. But dont forget it is the Q that likes to check spelling not me.

You know the people that Obama picks for his spokespersons are a direct reflection of Obamas own philosophies. How do you feel about it Harry that he approves of Mao Tse-tung the man that murdered all those millions of people? If Obama has any principles at all he will immediately dismiss this person and say I do not want anyone with these values in my administration in any capacity. We can also see Obamas principles in the chief of President Obama's Education Department Office of Safe Schools, homosexual activist Kevin Jennings. It also reflects Obamas values for him to choose a man like this. This guy is into child pornography and approves of child molestation. If you want to see Obama take a look at Kevin Jennings. Jennings teaches young boys as young as 12 how to perform sadomasochistic acts. This man is in charge of safe schools! Unbelievable! "

The Question wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:20 PM:

" Jennings teaches young boys as young as 12 how to perform sadomasochistic acts. This man is in charge of safe schools! Unbelievable!
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That's the word for it, all right. You're really peddling the loony right-wing lies tonight, Vanatta. You are shameless. "

BillPriff101 wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:00 PM:

" Here is an idea and word, CHANGE. Do I get a prize? Yes I can! Do you know what I am going to change? I didn't know what Barack was going to change either.... "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:16 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:39 PM:
" Mr. Hendren if Bush had won a great prize I would have known to keep my mouth shut and keep my opinion about his "worthiness" to myself. I don't believe in shooting myself in the foot as you and many others insist on doing. "

So now anyone that opposes your view is not allowed to speak? You lie and you know it. You would have been the first to say how he did not deserve it. Why not try being honest for once. "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 22, 2009 11:23 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:44 AM:
" Wonder if she would have felt the same way if Bush had won it? Anyone want to take a guess? "

Don't lose any sleep waiting for that to happen, jr. Bush's legasy has already been established, and I doubt that any Noble awards are in his future. "

As President Obama is with unemployment going higher, the worthiness of the dollar shrinking, peace prizes before actually doing anything, taking over private businesses, attempting to nominate tax dodgers to his cabinet, trying to destroy health care, and being Pelosi's puppet. What a legacy he is making for himself. Biggest problem is, is that it seems to be the democrats that are always worried about a legacy. Like the former democrat President and his legacy as the 2nd president ever impeached.

Side note maybe President Obama likes being in the same category as Al Gore and his movie that has been shown to have numerous mistakes, and Yassir Arafat, what a peaceful guy he is. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:55 AM:

" I didn't say anything about denying you the right to shoot off your mouth and shoot yourself in the foot. The difference Mr. Hendren is having the wisdom to know when to speak and when not to speak and the self-control to do it. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:59 AM:

" I don't lie Mr.Hendren I can't help it if I am simply a better person than you. But that comes from not being raised in a "Christian" family. "

father bob wrote on Oct 23, 2009 9:20 AM:

" The Question wrote on Oct 22, 2009 8:20 PM:
" Jennings teaches young boys as young as 12 how to perform sadomasochistic acts. This man is in charge of safe schools! Unbelievable!
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That's the word for it, all right. You're really peddling the loony right-wing lies tonight, Vanatta. You are shameless. """""

the Baptist Taliban strikes again!

careful...this homophobia could be enough to set Neonut off again. "

sapient wrote on Oct 23, 2009 9:27 AM:

" I heard on the radio this morning that those terrible Gitmo guards tortured the inmated by making them listen to music, the theme from Sesame Street and I believe the other mentioned was the theme to Green Acres. Terrible! Terrible! The loonie left. "

father bob wrote on Oct 23, 2009 9:54 AM:

" sapient wrote on Oct 23, 2009 9:27 AM:
" I heard on the radio this morning that those terrible Gitmo guards tortured the inmated by making them listen to music, the theme from Sesame Street and I believe the other mentioned was the theme to Green Acres. Terrible! Terrible! The loonie left. """"""

yeah....a piece of cake. it was only for 72 hours straight at decibels just below levels that cause physical damage. but hey, you rightwingers love a good torture session! glad you got a good laugh sapient.. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:58 AM:

" ..... This guy is into child pornography and approves of child molestation. If you want to see Obama take a look at Kevin Jennings. Jennings teaches young boys as young as 12 how to perform sadomasochistic acts.....

Care to source that one, Jon?

Seriously Jon, do you just make stuff up as you go along? "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:16 PM:

" I guess Mao Tse-tung is one of the favorite philosophers of The Q and father bob too. Why am I not surprised? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:20 PM:

" " I heard on the radio this morning that those terrible Gitmo guards tortured the inmated by making them listen to music, the theme from Sesame Street and I believe the other mentioned was the theme to Green Acres. Terrible! Terrible! The loonie left. "
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Hey what about the Patriot Act too?

It's amazing how we don't hear much about the Patriot Act anymore, isn't it?

Remember how we were told by the loony left that Bush was taking away all of a our personal freedoms.

OOOOHHHHH! But lookie here....

House Considers Limiting Patriot Act Spy Powers

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/conyers_bill/

'Powerful House members are proposing sweeping reforms to U.S. surveillance law that puts them on a collision course with legislation in the Senate that favors domestic spying.'

Now it seems they don't know whether they want it or don't want it.

America deserves all the malaise it's getting right now having put the Used Car Salesman Obama in the Whitehouse. "

father bob wrote on Oct 23, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:16 PM:
" I guess Mao Tse-tung is one of the favorite philosophers of The Q and father bob too. Why am I not surprised? """"""

hmmmm.....and just how did you come to that conclusion jonniewad? have you ever read any Mao? do you know who Mao was? do you know what day it is? "

just wondering wrote on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM:

" Susan Humphries lecturing someone on having the wisdom and control of when not to speak. That's rich, but par for the course. She's always lecturing people on things she knows nothing about. "

whitedove wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:51 PM:

" The Question wrote on Oct 18, 2009 1:52 PM:
" You right-wingers simply must quit lying about Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii. It's available online, and his birth was announced at the time in TWO HONOLULU NEWSPAPERS, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin.
Case absolutely closed, unless you are not sane. "

Also Harry Potter, Father Bob, shumphreys please take note..
Not everyone in this county will just take your word as gospel. We also watch and read a lot of other news outlets.
If the above were true and as Question puts it case closed evidently it isnt closed or the judge would simply dismiss the case and the justice dept would have told the judge that the records can be produced to prove the truth. Instead they keep hiding the truth. So the American people want to know!!!!

September 07, 2009
10:54 pm Eastern

BORN IN THE USA?
Panic in D.C.? Justice urges birth suit tossed

The U.S. Justice Department is urging a federal judge in California to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of president.
While Obama was delivering his love me and support me speech to our nations children, the hearing on a motion for discovery regarding the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to even occupy the Office of the Presidency of the United StatesKeyes v Obamawas underway.

Note: All other efforts from multiple other attorneys handling multiple other cases have been denied by courts that strongly appear to have been intimidated by Obamas DOJ.

On Friday 7 September, the US Justice Department advised federal Judge David O. Carter to dismiss the case on their previously highly successful (if bogus) standing argument; which claims thateven if the merits of the case are correctplaintiffs cannot show they have experienced harm. Instead, on Tuesday, Judge Carter heard Attorney Orly Taitz motion and set a tentative and expedited trial date for 26 January 2010. The date is tentative as Judge Carter will be addressing the ObamaAttorneys motion to dismiss the case on 5 October. If Obamas motion to dismiss is not granted, Taitz discovery hearing will take place that same day and the case challenging Obamas eligibility will proceed. As Obama has reportedly spent between $1-1.5 Millions to hide his school and true birth records, this would be the first time We-the-People would have access to them. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 23, 2009 6:09 PM:

" hmmmm.....and just how did you come to that conclusion jonniewad? have you ever read any Mao? do you know who Mao was? do you know what day it is? "

I think it's like I suggested earlier fb, at times Jon just pulls stuff out of the air. I think he hears voices. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:35 PM:

" hmmmm.....and just how did you come to that conclusion jonniewad? have you ever read any Mao? do you know who Mao was? do you know what day it is? "
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Hmmm...'jonniewad'... more sexual innuendo from Father Bob...and it got posted...just more evidence of being protected..

Mao, eh? Maybe now we should call him...Hanoi Bob... "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:16 PM:

" just wondering wrote on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM:
" Susan Humphries lecturing someone on having the wisdom and control of when not to speak. That's rich, but par for the course. She's always lecturing people on things she knows nothing about. "

AMEN!! "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:22 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:55 AM:
" I didn't say anything about denying you the right to shoot off your mouth and shoot yourself in the foot. The difference Mr. Hendren is having the wisdom to know when to speak and when not to speak and the self-control to do it. "

You do it all the time. You write your letters to the editor, and tell people how wrong they are, and how right you are. Then when someone shows you your wrong you start you personal attacks against them.
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shumphreys wrote on Oct 23, 2009 7:59 AM:
" I don't lie Mr.Hendren I can't help it if I am simply a better person than you. But that comes from not being raised in a "Christian" family. "

This post is a perfect example of my comments above. Thank you for proving my point. Maybe if you would have grown up in a good Christian home you would not have so many problems with the truth, facts, and humility. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 8:39 AM:

" You don't have to take my word for anything, whitedove. I can't and won't speak for others, I merely post my thoughts. Take them or leave them, it doesn't matter to me what you think.

Traditionally the burden of proof falls of the plaintiff. The birthers have not proven anything. So far Taitz has come up with two different birth certificates, both have been debunked as being phony. Will she somehow come up with a third one?

So far she has got her delusional ideas thrown out off court in both Georgia and California. One court has even fined her for filing a frivolous lawsuit.

Here's what one judge said of Taitz:

"When a lawyer files complaints and motions without a reasonable basis for believing that they are supported by existing law or a modification or extension of existing law, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law, Land writes. When a lawyer uses the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer personally attacks opposing parties and disrespects the integrity of the judiciary, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer recklessly accuses a judge of violating the judicial code of conduct with no supporting evidence beyond her dissatisfaction with the judges rulings, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law, that lawyer ceases to advance her cause or the ends of justice".

Do you really think if there was any validity to these ludacris claims that Fox news wouldn't be joining in? In fact none of their Obama bashing pundits are buying into the birther movement, and that's pretty telling.

But don't dismay, whitedove. Orly has come up with another idea. This time it's that Obama is really a radical Islamic extremist who was somehow put into office by the Saudis to destroy our country. Orly is now claiming that the Saudi goverment even paid for Obama's education. Look for Orly to show up in court soon with more "proof".

Here's an idea for you whitedove: you and Jon Vanatta need to become pen pals. Like you, Jon has some rather bizarre theories too.

You need to move on and join the new Islamic extremist conspiracy movement now being proposed by Orly. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 24, 2009 8:41 AM:

" Mr. Hendren stating the truth may be objectionable to you, my sarcasm and dry wit may be over your head, but as I said I would never try to keep you from shooting off your mouth so that you can shoot yourself in the foot. That isn't attacking your character Mr. Hendren. That is a statement of fact. "

Blue Dog Democrat wrote on Oct 24, 2009 11:10 AM:

" "That is a statement of fact."

Only in one person's (yours) eyes, deary. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 24, 2009 1:30 PM:

" Harry Potter says to white dove, you and Jon Vanatta need to become pen pals. Like you, Jon has some rather bizarre theories too.

Here is what is bizarre Potter:
If the certificate the Obama team posted on the internet is his real birth certificate, why has he paid well over a million dollars to keep his real long form birth certificate under wraps and hidden?

"Why wouldn't the president of the United States show the American people his birth certificate?

But there is more he will not release:
His kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

He is willing to spend millions to keep his past hidden from the American people and this makes the very strong statement that this man is a deceiver.

More bizarre Potter:
Congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

How did a man with no job and parents also professional students pay for all that education?

BIZARRE!

The truth will come to light, and I think soon. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 24, 2009 2:05 PM:

" Geraldo Rivera, made a remark yesterday about Lou Dobbs using inflammatory reporting to get ratings. Now coming from a Fox reporter, that was funny. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 25, 2009 12:32 PM:

" So Jon is a birther too. Why am I not surprised?

Been reading those Robert Spencer books again, Jon?

And how about supporting that claim that Obama is spending millions hiding the truth from us. Surly there's a unbiased web site out there that would support that if it's true. And I don't mean one of those nutball sites like you tried prove your silly anti evolution theory with.

By the way Jon, were you just as upset when George W refused to discuss his alledged cocaine use when he was running the first time. I believe his excuse was it was irrelevant, but some of you Obama haters think his school records should be a matter of public record. "

M wrote on Oct 25, 2009 1:06 PM:

" "Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 24, 2009 1:30 PM: How did a man with no job and parents also professional students pay for all that education?"

It has been said that during his days at Occidental he applied for aid as a foreign student.

In all honesty I have no way of knowing whether or not that information is accurate but it would be no shock to my system if it were proven to be true...but it would shock my system to hear it on all of the major news channels. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 25, 2009 6:35 PM:

" In all honesty I have no way of knowing whether or not that information is accurate but it would be no shock to my system if it were proven to be true...but it would shock my system to hear it on all of the major news channels. "

Come on M, don't you know that the Saudi government paid for his education? It's all part of a plot to take our country over. I would post more but I'm sure Jon Vanatta will pushing that idea soon enough. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 25, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Now that the Peace prize story is dying down, and health care reform is getting closer to passage, the question becomes: what will the sorehead losers be whining about next? Perhaps it will be the president's choice in sock colors. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 25, 2009 8:22 PM:

" Yes Obama's school records should be a matter of public record. He is a public figure and he ran on a platform of transparency. "

M wrote on Oct 25, 2009 10:01 PM:

" Potter, sorry but I really don't know who paid for his education...as I said though, I wouldn't be shocked if it were us. The way he is guarding his past causes many people to wonder. I don't think it should be an issue but the issue would not remain if he had only followed the law and produced the necessary documentation when it was requested. "

father bob wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM:

" jonniewad....you've once again proven why people like jim jones and frank koresh can influence large masses of the inept. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 26, 2009 2:55 PM:

" Considering that the vast majority of college students get some sort of financial help, no doubt some of Obamas tuition came from "us", M. I would say that in his case we got our money's worth. I'm not going to argue the birth certificate issue with you because it's been settled. Only the wacko birther nutcases are still pushing that one. "

cedric66 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:43 PM:

" father bob wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM:

" jonniewad....you've once again proven why people like jim jones and frank koresh can influence large masses of the inept. "

That was David Koresh, not Frank "

father bob wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:58 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:43 PM:

" father bob wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:42 AM:

" jonniewad....you've once again proven why people like jim jones and frank koresh can influence large masses of the inept. "

That was David Koresh, not Frank "

i stand corrected. i don't idolize killers... "

father bob wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:03 PM:

" the ARMY OF GOD lives.....unfortunately.

you good muslims, baptists or missouri synod lutherans out there should be proud! "

father bob wrote on Oct 26, 2009 9:10 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Oct 26, 2009 8:43 PM:

" That was David Koresh, not Frank """""

so why are you still posting? "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:23 PM:

" I just wonder how much it is going to cost taxpayers for Obamy to go over there and personally receive his Nobel Peace Prize? That would be the one that he is so humbled by you know. I mean so humbled that he is going to go and personally receive. But actually the trip won't be paid with tax money but just be another addition to the deficit. But so what difference he earned this the preceding year right? Well that just makes all the difference don't it? Well anyway he and Michelle can just consider this another big date trip like the one to New York that added to the deficit a few hundred thousand. Course this trip might cut into his golf game time boy thats a bummer, but then he could while hes flying along have a little time to think about Afghanistan and just what to do about sending more troops or whatever but then thats not too important plenty of time for that later.

We can all just rest easy knowing what good hands we are in. "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 26, 2009 11:42 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 24, 2009 8:41 AM:
" Mr. Hendren stating the truth may be objectionable to you,..."

SO you admit that you do not believe in truth, just you opinion of truth. I cite my quotes to show proof and truth. You then say, "that is not what they meant", or that they are wrong. Sorry but truth is not objectionable.
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"my sarcasm and dry wit may be over your head,..."

It's not over my head, it's just usually not on point, or complete nonsense.
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"but as I said I would never try to keep you from shooting off your mouth so that you can shoot yourself in the foot. That isn't attacking your character Mr. Hendren. That is a statement of fact. "

First you do all the time. You are always telling others how they need to not read your posts, or that their comments are off base, when it is you most of the time that is off base. Secondly, telling others how stupid they are for believing something you do not is an attack of their character. Once again thank you for proving points for me. "