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Thursday, October 8, 2009 9:35 PM CDT
LETTER: No one has the right
to incite violence

JO ELLEN JACOBS, Charleston

Where will it end?

Instead of debating health care policy our country is in a frenzy in which people are doing polls on Facebook about whether or not the president should be killed, where “protesters” carry signs that say “Bury Obama with Ted Kennedy” or urge a military coup, and where those who disagree with the president’s ideas show up at rallies with guns strapped to their thighs.

What if African-Americans showed up at McCain rallies with guns saying they were merely asserting their Second Amendment rights? Would they be tolerated?

Thomas Friedman’s article this week noted the similarity in the atmosphere of this country now and Israel just before Rabin was assassinated. Where are the leaders of the right who should be denouncing this kind of “protest”?

Everyone should have the right to speak—to disagree with the policies of anyone. But no one has the right to incite violence. Much of the atmosphere in this country now is troubling. If we don’t stop it, we may all have blood on our hands.

More than ever, Yeats’ words speak to our time: “Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;/Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,…The best lack all conviction, while the worst/Are full of passionate intensity.”

JO ELLEN JACOBS

Charleston

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Rockin Rotty wrote on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 PM:

" "What if African-Americans showed up at McCain rallies with guns saying they were merely asserting their Second Amendment rights?"

.......

Jo Ellen, you mean to tell us not one single white person voted for Obama?

Wow, you truely are knowledgeable - please excuse me while I gag. "

unknownjoe wrote on Oct 8, 2009 10:43 PM:

" Well Jo Ellen, I do believe that the person that you speak of with the gun was an African American. What about the African Americans who voted for McCain. As a veteran I swore an oath to uphold and defend The Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. Does a sitting president or congress of either party who threatens to destroy the very fabric of the constitution fall within the category of DOMESTIC enemy? Forty eight percent of those who voted in the last presidential election did not vote for Barack Obama, and you are somehow surprised by the opposition to his policies? The evidence is clear that the only ones using violence at these types of protests were members of the SEIU, who supported obama. Where are the leaders of the left, should they not have spoken out against this violence. Where are the leaders of the left when the ACORN films came out. They were quickly doing the democrat duck and shuffle to distance themselves from a group that they supported. Where are your democratic leaders who shouted that Gitmo must be closed, but to date, nothing has been done to close it. Where are those democrats that screamed that Bush was violating our civil rights with the Patriot Act...I do believe they are the ones supporting the extension of those powers by our current president. Do you know why there have been no war crimes trials, because if they have them, they will set precedent to try and convict any number of those who currently sit at posts in this administration. Things will definately fall apart. They will fall apart because of SHEEPLE like yourself. Drink some more of your SOMA laced KOOLAID, sit back and relax, we have 3 more years of this, and things are going to get a lot hotter. At the very least, look up the SNL skit on the O's great accomplishments since taking office. You may get a resounding confirmation of what your contribution has been. You voted for nothing. "

Just a Soldier wrote on Oct 8, 2009 11:26 PM:

" Let me first say that I agree the protesters carrying signs suggesting the president should be assassinated are beyond what is acceptable behavior in a civil society, but to suggest that this all started in January and is only being perpetrated by those on the right is ridiculous. There were those on the left saying and displaying sentiments just as dispicable towards President Bush. Where is your outrage about that Jo Ellen? When I attended the funeral for one of my fallen comrades and had to drive past a throng of angry protesters carrying signs bearing such poetic slogans as "When a soldier dies, God laughs", where was your outrage? You can come on here and spout off about how horrible people are for opposing President Obama until you are blue in the face, but until you recognize that it exists on both sides, you are doing nothing to help the problem. The fact is that you don't want it to stop, you simply want it to be silenced when you don't agree with it. Nice letter. It is a real shining example of bipartisan cool-headedness. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 9, 2009 7:26 AM:

" And the rabble rousers and preachers of hate have a so called news network egging them on. The incendiary words of their commentators give the agitators a sense of legitimacy. Where's Walter Cronkite when we need him? "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 9, 2009 7:31 AM:

" Both Unknown Joe and RR seem to have problems reading or is it with their attention span, they can't read more than one sentence. Ms. Jacobs is right. The greates civilizations have self-destructed. As someone once said those that don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it which we seem to be doing. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 9, 2009 9:25 AM:

" To set the record straight, JAS. There was a lot of criticism, from both sides I would add, on the deplorable actions of the so called Reverend Fred Phelps and his attempts to disrupt the funerals services of fallen soldiers. The actions of a small minority of people who have got a lot of press is inexcusable. No it didn't just start in January, but it certainly has escalated with the election of our current president. Sadly, it's being aided and abetted as well as orchestrated by the radical right. If you can't see that, then you are wearing blinders, my friend. "

father bob wrote on Oct 9, 2009 9:39 AM:

" JO ELLEN JACOBS, Charleston
What if African-Americans showed up at McCain rallies with guns saying they were merely asserting their Second Amendment rights? Would they be tolerated?"""""

no.....we wouldn't be tolerated, if were weren't shot dead, we'd be shot with water cannons, tazered, tear gassed and hauled off to jail. "

even steven wrote on Oct 9, 2009 10:37 AM:

" Inciting violence? Look no further than your local, astroturfing, ACORN/SEIU supporting, brainwashed Soros lickspittles for perfect example of just that. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Oct 9, 2009 11:28 AM:

" Now, yes it is disgusting to advocate the death of a single man. Yet, is calling for the overthrow of the government inciting violence?? I say no, the weather underground during the 60's called for the overthrow an even attacked government and banking buildings. Too keep people from harm, when they placed their bombs they called ahead telling those inside that all should evacuate. Out of all their bombings only one cop was killed and one injured. To me thats not an act of violence towards the populous it was towards the government. Sad as it was for the cop who died, it was his job. Just as a solider knows when he or she signs up for military knows there is a chance that they may die.
Now i voted for Obama, but I advocate the overthrow of the government. To me its not party politics, its the government itself that upsets me. So if we the people demand the abolishment of the government and the government does so peaceful then thats great. Yet, even if 3/4's of the country supported my group and other radicals, I know in my heart that the government, corporations, and others that bid for power will not allow it too go without violence.

where do you draw the line? "

The Question wrote on Oct 9, 2009 1:28 PM:

" "There were those on the left saying and displaying sentiments just as dispicable towards President Bush. Where is your outrage about that Jo Ellen"
---
You're lying, Soldier. No one carried any signs suggesting Bush be assassinated. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 9, 2009 2:21 PM:

" JustaSoldier you are like Unknownjoe and RR you seemed to have stopped reading after the first couple of sentences. She did say "everyone should have the right to speak--to disagree with the policies of anyone." Did you miss that line? It isn't the disagreement it is the tactics and form the disagreement has taken. "

father bob wrote on Oct 9, 2009 2:54 PM:

" The Question wrote on Oct 9, 2009 1:28 PM:
"You're lying, Soldier. No one carried any signs suggesting Bush be assassinated. """"

if you wore the wrong t-shirt or spoke aloud, you were escorted away to jail. and i dare say if you had worn a weapon where bush was speaking, you'd be in ft leavenworth. "

father bob wrote on Oct 9, 2009 3:29 PM:

" speaking of radical rightwing issues here's an interesting comment regarding El Rushbo's attempt to buy the st louis rams:

Black Football Players Not Eager To Play For Limbaugh.

Yesterday I suggested that Rush Limbaugh, were he to buy the St. Louis Rams, would have a very hard time finding black players who would be willing to play for him, given his history of racially inflammatory statements. According to Ben Armbruster at Thinkprogress, more black players are coming out and explicitly saying they wouldn't play for Limbaugh.

On the bright side, with an all-white football team, Limbaugh can prove to the world how "overrated" black players are.

Good luck with that. "

father bob wrote on Oct 9, 2009 3:45 PM:

" Sarah Palin's New Book:

Goin Rogue or, How I Killed the Republican Party Stone Dead, With a Little Help From My Friends. You betcha!

~TZ~ "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Oct 9, 2009 3:56 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 9, 2009 7:31 AM:

"they can't read more than one sentence."

.......

At times, "one sentence" may be the summary to the story.

Loose lips sink ships. "

Jim1969 wrote on Oct 9, 2009 4:05 PM:

" All of this is a result of the continued escalation in our politics. At this point it is senseless and worthless to try to figure out who started it or when it started, but to use a broad stroke it started in Washington. It started when politicians stopped trying to work together and became animatedly opposed to what the "other side" was saying or doing. The media then added fuel to the fire with their various slants and with a monkey see, monkey do mentality the extreme disharmony spilled onto the street.

The only way this is going to change is for the PEOPLE to say ENOUGH! The citizens need to change the way they express themselves and DEMAND that those elected to SERVE us do the same and demand that the media in this nation return to practicing responsible journalism instead of slanting the news to fit their own agendas.

One way or another a Revolution is coming to this country. The only question is if it is going to be a peaceful one or a bloody one, and if people can not figure out how to discuss their views in a respectful, civilized manner it will be the latter without a doubt.

At this point maybe the best thing for everyone to do is to sharpen their swords and dull their tongues and be prepared for either eventuality. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 9, 2009 4:34 PM:

" Hey fb, look at this way, at least Obama's award gave the ole Oxycontin drag Queen Rush Limpo a bigger issue to whine about. Yesterday he spend 10 minutes complaining about the Obama kid's dog taking a dump on the floor of Air Force One. I'm not kidding, he really did.

Here's another thing, remember when Cheney promised he would donate his profits from Halliburton to charity? That was 8 years ago and to the best of my understanding he still hasn't done that. Obama promised to donate his money to charity too. Think the right wingers will watch for that. Fox will probably do a daily feature on it. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 9, 2009 4:38 PM:

" Indeed it is RR but you have to be able to read the whole/entire package to be able to figure out what the "one" line is! "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 9, 2009 4:43 PM:

" Jim I agree with much of what you said BUT.....sharpening swords, no that is never the answer, which is what this letter is about, the one line that matters. Democracy can not be won by the point of a sword and I don't think it can be saved by the point to a sword. We might be able to prevent an outright takeover by non-democratic forces but that isn't the same as actually "saving" democracy. But that point is far too subtle for most of the minds on these pages to grasp. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 9, 2009 5:31 PM:

" And speaking of crowd agitators, I see where Palin has been turned down by two governors for campaign assistance. One of them stated that they wanted to keep the focus on state politics, and not national. Funny that a little research showed that Republican candidate had already had 4 other presidential potentials in campaigning already. Poor Sarah, her star appears to be fading. She might want to consider following the footsteps of her almost son-in-law and start posing for skin magazines. They can do wonders with airbrushing these days. "

Just a Soldier wrote on Oct 9, 2009 7:47 PM:

" Really, TQ? I'm a liar? Why don't you do what you are always telling others to do and do a little research before you start running off at the mouth? Go to Google and do an image search for the words "kill Bush". I will accept your public apology whenever you are ready to have some intellectual integrity. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 9, 2009 8:27 PM:

" No one has the right to incite violence...

Well...that's true...UNLESS you get away with it because...

...you're BILL AYERS, an Obama (Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm) enthusiast, and co-founded of the Weather Underground, a communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s...and then you get rewarded with a teaching job at an Illinois University...

...or your Obama's minister and you get to say...'G*d D**n America'....

...you're the Black Panthers, and then you get to stand outside of polling places to intimidate voters to vote for Obama...

...you're a democrat and then you get to say anything you want against a presidential candidate, like Sarah Palin, AND HER UNDERAGE CHILDREN...

...you're the SEIU or ACORN and then you get shipped in to Tea Party rally's to agitate people PEACEFULLY demonstrating against Obama's (Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm) policies for fear he's bankrupting the country......

...you're just a DEMOCRAT ...and for the last 8 years you wildly, dispecably, and irreverently looked the other way while your fellow democrats hurled every degradation they could, especially espousing violence, toward President George W. Bush. Don't believe it? See http://tinyurl.com/ygdzasq or http://tinyurl.com/ykvltgq.

...and then...well...ITS ALL OKAY, right? "

likestoknow wrote on Oct 9, 2009 10:26 PM:

" Thank you Jo Ellen. I too have been very thoughtful about Freidman's column. "

Just a Soldier wrote on Oct 9, 2009 11:12 PM:

" Thanks for the url's, NeoCon. Hopefully, the esteemed internet researcher TQ can figure out how to copy and paste those into his browser bar to see just how wrong he is. It must sting to come on here and call someone a liar and have a big ol' pie thrown your face. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:10 AM:

" Something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about and that is he doesn't deserve the award."
Rush Limbaugh-

Ole Limpo is so anxious to see that the president fails that he's even siding with our enemies. "

The Question wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:50 AM:

" This one, please:
Protesters who managed to escape the fascist "free speech zones" and get anywhere near Bush were arrested, and none of them ever had signs suggesting Bush be assassinated. Certainly none of them were ever brandishing guns and carrying signs about refreshing the tree of liberty with blood, the way they have been around Obama. So you're full of it, Soldier.
Nor did a national news channel laughingly suggest that Bush should be murdered, the way Fox News did about Obama.
Fox News pundit Liz Trotta, while discussing the idea of assassinating Osama Bin Laden and Barack Obama, said, "Well ... both, if we could!," then laughed happily.
By the way, for good measure, on Aug, 6, Fox News star Glenn Beck "joked" that he'd like to murder Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi by poisoning her tea, then had the transcript scrubbed to hide his statement. "

Just a Soldier wrote on Oct 10, 2009 9:03 AM:

" No, Sue, I believe that once again you have wandered off the reservation. While she does use the line you have given, you seem to be the one who likes to cherry-pick single blurbs and wave them in everyone's face. I suggest taking an English course out at Lake Land. I'm sure it wouldn't be too expensive (perhaps Obama will pay for it), and it would teach to be able to read passages and determine their overall thesis. I think anyone with a fully-functioning brain would attest that the thesis for this letter is that the right-wing cooks are over the line and should be ashamed of themselves. To this point, I did say that I did not condone the actions being described (I'm sure you probably missed that part since it wasn't a flashy enough line to catch your attention as the only one worth reading), but for anyone on the left to come on here and acted shocked and outraged after what we saw come from that side of the aisle over the past eight years is simply laughable. You all rant and rave and scream to the skies when someone calls Obama a liar as if such a thing has never been uttered, but I heard people calling Bush a liar and a loser and a million other names for nearly a decade. Until you are able to at least be more subtle in your hypocrisy. "

The Question wrote on Oct 10, 2009 9:38 AM:

" For example, according to CNN, in 2006, peace activist Cindy Sheehan was arrested after refusing to cover up a T-shirt bearing an anti-war slogan before Bush's State of the Union address.
That's called research. Saying "Google it," is not research, Soldier, and proves nothing. For all I know, the staged-looking photos of some guy in a mohawk with a "Kill Bush" sign on some street corner have been faked by right-wing propagandists to deflect attention from their own viciousness. "

The Question wrote on Oct 10, 2009 10:08 AM:

" Now, you may ask, would right wingers fake photos to support their lies. Yes, because they already have.
A photo circulated among conservatives purporting to show a large crowd at a September "tea party" on Capitol Hill was revealed to be a fake.
The photo depicted a crowd stretching from the Capitol to the Washington Monument. It was posted on conservative blogs and Facebook pages, with notations that it was taken on Sept 12.
But there is no way it could have been taken Sept. 12 because the National Museum of the American Indian is not there. The museum opened in 2004 on the east side of the Mall. It's not so the photo must have been taken before then.
You can find all the documentation for that particular conservative lie in the Washington Post edition for Sept. 14, 2009. "

Bps wrote on Oct 10, 2009 10:54 AM:

" The Question wrote on Oct 9, 2009 1:28 PM:
" "There were those on the left saying and displaying sentiments just as dispicable towards President Bush. Where is your outrage about that Jo Ellen"
---
You're lying, Soldier. No one carried any signs suggesting Bush be assassinated. "

Again TQ, your O-kool-aid induced haze has let you down.

Here is one site with several different pictures of just what you said never happened, calling for bush to be killed.

You just need to roll down towards the mid-way point to see many, many of what you said never happened.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

There are several more sites and news reports that clearly show the same types of over the top protesting by the left, but of course you already knew that.

And before you go off on some tantrum, it is morally wrong to call for assassination by either side.

We just have to face it, the uber-liberals will focus on anything to try to get the conversation and discussion off of how badly their guys have and are doing.

They are desperate as they should be. "

The Question wrote on Oct 10, 2009 12:03 PM:

" There were those on the left saying and displaying sentiments just as dispicable towards President Bush. Where is your outrage about that Jo Ellen? When I attended the funeral for one of my fallen comrades and had to drive past a throng of angry protesters carrying signs bearing such poetic slogans as "When a soldier dies, God laughs", where was your outrage?
---
But that protester was a right winger, wasn't he, Soldier? Specifically, it was someone who was a part of the vicious right-wing homophobic protest group run by the Rev. Fred Phelps, wasn't it? Why did you try to smear the left with that lie, Soldier? "

RAK wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:27 PM:

" Armed Black Panthers at 2000 Texas Republican Convention:

http://newsbusters.org/people/black-panthers

Death threats against Bush II:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Take a good hard look at the skin color of the individual w/ the "Assault Weapon" at the Obama rally:

http://tinyurl.com/ygvqzg4

But these are facts and facts don't matter to those w/ BDS. "

Just a Soldier wrote on Oct 10, 2009 10:26 PM:

" TQ, it has occured to me that this back and forth with you is about as productive as debating quantum physics with a fire hydrant. Your head is so far out to left field that you will never be able to see what is actually real. That so many people have been able to come on here with proof that your assertion that I am a liar is invalid, and that your only response has been to question the validity of anything that goes against your position with the only proof being that one picture was fake, leaves me hopeless in this debate. You win by my complete lack of interest in wasting anymore time with you. Congratulations, you are so deranged that even the most inconsequential conversation about the weather, with you, would be mind-boggling. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 10, 2009 11:11 PM:

" If a conservative faces a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal when facing a foreign threat wonders how to look good while he surrenders "gracefully".

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal
doesn't like guns, he tries to make it so no one can own one.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he just doesn't eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he tries to ban all meat products for everyone.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly enjoys his life. If a liberal is homosexual, he loudly demands legislated respect and special status.

If a black or Hispanic is conservative, he sees himself as independently successful wondering why others don't work to gain their own success. The liberal counterpart sees himself as a "victim" and a victim in need of government support and protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation. When a liberal is down-and-out, he wonders when and for how long the government will take care of him.

When a conservative doesn't like a talk show host or radio show host, he switches channels.
When a liberal doesn't like a talk show host or a radio show host he demands that the shows be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer of God, he doesn't go to church. If a liberal is a non-believer of God he wants all mention of God, or religion, silenced so he doesn't feel he's left out.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for
it, or maybe chooses a job that provides it. If a liberal decides that he needs health care he demands that his neighbors pay for it.

When an argument is made by a conservative against liberal policies the conservative is called a racist, "mean-spirited", a redneck, or not very well educated. When an argument is made by a liberal against conservative policies the conservative acknowledges the argument, says nothing, yet ponders in wonderment how far America has strayed from the founding fathers principles....

Well now...at least for the last point..."THOSE DAYS ARE OVER"! "

RAK wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:14 AM:

" "For all I know, the staged-looking photos of some guy in a mohawk with a "Kill Bush" sign on some street corner have been faked by right-wing propagandists to deflect attention from their own viciousness."

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

All these doctored photos and scrubbed transcripts. These are the same kind of claims made by Truthers and Birthers. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:58 AM:

" Talking about that fake photo: even after the phony photo was debunked, one Fox pundit continued to claim an estimate of a million people. Right winger Michelle Malkin even went so far as to add another million to the already inflated number. DC fire and police departments estimated the real number to be between 60 and 70 thousand. But who cares about facts when your mission is destroy a president? With todays conservatives, propaganda is the norm. Having to rely on lies and propaganda seems to make their case rather weak. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:15 AM:

" JustaSoldier you need more than a class at Lakeland, although it is a great college, I'm afraid it can't help you or your kind. She didn't refer to right or left in her letter. She did mention "right to speak". You get far too much exercise jumping to conclusions. You would be a hoot if you weren't so tragic. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:52 AM:

" But that protester was a right winger, wasn't he, Soldier? Specifically, it was someone who was a part of the vicious right-wing homophobic protest group run by the Rev. Fred Phelps, wasn't it? Why did you try to smear the left with that lie, Soldier? "

Ouch! "

The Question wrote on Oct 11, 2009 10:09 AM:

" It seems to have escaped you boys notice that its not the 1970s anymore, and that ALL the domestic American terrorists are now right wingers.
Right-wing terrorists obtained anthrax from Pentagon biological warfare labs and used it to attack Democrats and news reporters, remember?
Crazed right-wing terrorists have also gone on several killing sprees in the U.S. in the last year. Their murder victims include: three Pittsburgh police officers; two people in a Unitarian church; one gynecologist in Kansas; one guard at the Holocaust Museum and three in a womens aerobics class.
And there are more to come from the loony, murderous American right. "

Locke wrote on Oct 11, 2009 10:20 AM:

" Yawn. Same garbage, different thread. "

Bps wrote on Oct 11, 2009 10:38 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:58 AM:
" DC fire and police departments estimated the real number to be between 60 and 70 thousand. But who cares about facts when your mission is destroy a president? With todays conservatives, propaganda is the norm. Having to rely on lies and propaganda seems to make their case rather weak. "

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U.S. National Park police, who are in charge of the Mall and related public spaces, used to estimate crowd sizes, but when their assessment of attendance at the Million Man March differed from that of march organizers, the organizers threatened to sue. So park police stopped putting out crowd estimates.

So there you have it HP, because of the threat of being sued the Official crowd estimator no longer estimates.

Since no official estimate can exist, all estimates are suspect, so Potter- why do you keep doing the exact same thing that you accuse the conservatives of doing?

I know, it must be because your points have become so weak that you have to continually use the same tired old dodges.

Seriously though, if it is as you say that a just handful of citizens and one lousy cable news network can cause so much havoc to your beloved leaders image, imagine what 2010 is going to look like at the polls "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 11:14 AM:

" Seriously JAS, your criticism of TQ seems rather slanted too. Do you really only see bias when it come from the left? To only see it coming from the left merely points to your own bias. I've got news for you, slanting the argument happens with both sides. Your ongoing attempt to paint yourself as being an independent thinker is rather transparent. "

The Question wrote on Oct 11, 2009 11:48 AM:

" From Nixon's shame-faced, furtive political burglary to Bush and Cheney's eager use of kidnapping and torture, you right wingers' response when youre caught red-handed in acts of evil is always, "Oh, both sides do it, so it doesnt matter."
Thats a strange position for self-advertised moral absolutists to take, made doubly strange by the fact that both sides obviously DO NOT DO IT.
Both sides DO NOT show up at public meetings about health care armed with guns and carrying signs about refreshing the tree of liberty with somebody else's blood. Both sides DO NOT murder doctors at abortion clinics. Both sides DO NOT go to Unitarian churches to hunt some political opponents to slaughter. Both sides DO NOT applaud TV news pundits who broadcast their hatred of political opponents by laughing at the idea of their assassination.
Your side alone does those things, and you need to ask yourself why it is that youre the ones huddled in that smelly corner with all those murderous lunatics. "

cedric66 wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:29 PM:

" Detroit Free Press: "'Cobo a Scene of Desperation' -- Social service agencies are bracing for more troubles. The economic tsunami washing over metro Detroit swept its casualties to the doors of Cobo Center on Wednesday in the form of 35,000 people so desperate for help with mortgage and utility bills that threats were made, fights broke out and people were nearly trampled." This is Obama's America. This is what happens with socialism. You think these are long lines now, these brainwashed kids in that song on CNN talk about the long lines that are out there, you people haven't seen long lines at the emergency room until Obamacare gets implemented. "

DONEdone wrote on Oct 11, 2009 4:40 PM:

" what we have is a bunch of people going by what the papers say and the other news sources. those have proven to be unreliable, yet these people on both sides try to cite them as reliable sources. its a joke. nobody that is posting on here is going to affect a change. it does not matter who on here is correct, it is what it is. and all the complaining in the world isnt going to change it. this is a place for civil discord, not for everybody to find the nicest way to insult each other. thats all alot of the people on here for, the arguments. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:31 PM:

" Looks like our friend Doh is bringing the whole family out this afternoon. Will Blue Dog and 7X be joining us today too. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:06 PM:

" On Rush Limpo's attempt to buy an NFL franchise, an astute blogger had this to say:

Corralling all of America's haters and bigots as his audience doesn't make Limbaugh a hero to the rest of America. I have a feeling all of the professional haters (Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, and their ilk) have a fantasy that they are truly big guys in America. They aren't. They're the leaders of a miserable minority of people who live in ignorant fear and alcoholic hazes.

Pretty good summation of what's become of the Republican party. That party hasn't produced a decent president since Lincoln. Palin in 2012! "

GrampaC wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:11 PM:

" You guys are amazing. Nobel Peace ......
I reckon that the 2nd. coming of Christ is Obama. Father Bob: Jesse White is not a racist! Where is "here"? Guess you are a foreign commentator? Where do you actually live?
Dave Letterman? Get a lawyer. He has a disease of some sort!
El Rushbo? I went to see him on April 1, 1989 in Peoria Illinois.
39 undeniable truths of life. Maybe you might want to expand your knowledge (or lack of) about your racist comments.
Your drop down list standard reply "What Klan meeting,etc. shows your intolerance. "

das wrote on Oct 12, 2009 8:38 AM:

" I just want to correct justasoldier from when he made this statement: "When I attended the funeral for one of my fallen comrades and had to drive past a throng of angry protesters carrying signs bearing such poetic slogans as "When a soldier dies, God laughs", where was your outrage?" And then claimed to say the hate comes from both sides, referring to this as coming from the left. Well, you're just a bit wrong. Those signs you saw at that funeral actually come from a group called the Westboro Baptist Church who would probably be just as offended by you calling them the left as anyone on the left saying they're a part of them. They most certainly are not a part of the left, nor are they a part of the right. They're a group of about 80 family members from Kansas who are absolutely nuts. "

father bob wrote on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:31 PM:
" Looks like our friend Doh is bringing the whole family out this afternoon. Will Blue Dog and 7X be joining us today too. lol! """""

is see she's frothing and foaming at the mouth sputtering "acorn" "seiu" and all those programmed rightwing mantras. where's jim jones or david koresh when you really need them? "

DONEdone wrote on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM:

" hey hp if your implying that i am somebody else or one of the people you regularly accuse of having multiple sign in names let me assure you you have not dealt with me in any manner, let alone on this website. that said, the fact remains as stated in my prior post, none of you are going to effect any change and that is the bottom line. its a bunch of people looking for an arguement thats all. nobody that i have noticed is above the accusations of those that think they know all. you dont, and unlike the rest of them,i have the nerve to say it. when any of you becomes the elite and can make these wonderous changes in the world, post it here and im sure somebody will disagree. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:55 PM:

" DONEdone wrote on Oct 11, 2009 4:40 PM:

"to find the nicest way to insult each other. thats all alot of the people on here for, the arguments."

.......

DONEdone, in a nutshell, for a majority of the posters here, you are correct.... myself included in the batch, at times. This is why the local rag holds political articles, (& maybe a few other critical ones), well past their time, in the "Most Commented" area.

You've hit the nail squarely on the head, my friend. When I've suggested to family or friends, to get on here & join in on the fun, I'm told the very exact same thing, by them all. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 12, 2009 4:09 PM:

" DONEdone wrote on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM:

" hey hp if your implying that i am somebody else or one of the people you regularly accuse of having multiple sign in names let me assure you you have not dealt with me in any manner, let alone on this website.

Relax DONEdone, I wasn't implying that you're our friend Doh. Those that post on here know all of the names he regularly uses. His style is unmistakable, even though he tries to disguise his style, the old Doh always come through. My commenting on this issue is merely to get him going, and it alwasy does.

And yes, you're right, I don't have all the answers. I've never claimed that. I'm just posting my thoughts. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks of them. Comment if you like or ignore them. That's your choice. "

father bob wrote on Oct 12, 2009 4:20 PM:

" GrampaC wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:11 PM:
"
El Rushbo? I went to see him on April 1, 1989 in Peoria Illinois.
39 undeniable truths of life. """""

like is said Klan meetings!!! "

DONEdone wrote on Oct 12, 2009 8:23 PM:

" hp as a person that admits their wrongs, i do apologize. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 PM:

" like is said Klan meetings!!! "

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Sniff sniff sniff...I smell something rotten!

Ohhhhh... it's Cannon (4F)odder Bob!

hahahaha! "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 12, 2009 9:08 PM:

" Another Bush scandal on the horizon? Gail Norton, Secretary of the Interior is now under criminal investigation. It seems that she awarded Shell oil federal leases while she was actively pursuing employment with them. Three months after she awarded these leases she went on Shell's payroll. She is accused of violating several federal laws for this action. Norton no doubt attended the Dick Cheney school of ethics. Another Republican scandal for Fox news to ignore? lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 12, 2009 9:10 PM:

" Thank you DONEdone. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 PM:

" OK are you all ******* nuts on here??? I can't take this little bickering, without any intellectual points. This is coming from the person that wants an overthrow of the government. Stop posting news as primary sources, use it to back up your original points. Potter you are quick to throw out the racism card. and neo con.....well what can I say... oh yeah Ron, bluedog, and other conservatives make points, you just yell rhetoric.

Conservatives want people to be Christian so they make policies forcing people to live under those morals. Liberals want religion out of government. Anarchist just want people to worship at home and not force anything on anyone.

Conservatives tell a homeless person "get a job you bum", Liberals give money to the homeless and try to fix his situation, Anarchists want to be able to share what ever they have to help. Socialist want to force job security through strengthening small business and creating more government jobs to prevent homelessness.

Conservatives deem something inappropriate they try to get it banned, Liberals deem something inappropriate they ban it under the guise of "political correctness". Social-Libertarian deem something inappropriate they just don't read, look, listen or feel what they don't like.

Conservatives see money they try to horde as much as possible. Liberals see money they share a tiny bit. Socialist see money and they wonder what can we do with it to better society.

Conservatives don't want teen pregnancy they scare the S*** out of them with scare tactics and repeating the word abstinence. Liberals don't want teen pregnancy they say you should wait but allowing kids to get protection if they need it. Anarchists see the reality and just want kids to be safe.

Where do you draw the line? "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:05 AM:

" And this from the unofficial head of the GOP, Rush Limbaugh:

I mean, lets face it, we didnt have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. Im not saying we should bring it back; Im just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark. "

The Shadow wrote on Oct 13, 2009 9:58 AM:

" These people could not handle a normal forum venue in the least, theproletariat87. "

even steven wrote on Oct 13, 2009 10:09 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 9, 2009 7:26 AM:

" And the rabble rousers and preachers of hate have a so called news network egging them on. The incendiary words of their commentators give the agitators a sense of legitimacy. Where's Walter Cronkite when we need him? "

I agree. The insane hatred spewed by MSNBC and the leftist media in general toward good, partiotic Tea Party members and average tax paying citizens in general is just beyond pale. Thankfully, reputable news outlets like FOX and the Wall Street Journal actually report the news, unlike their biased couterparts that churn out propaganda and spike news reports that are unfavorable to leftists and their brainwashed toadies. Maybe Chris Matthews will interview some bimbo like Janeane Garafolo, and they can share leg tingles while viewing a video clip of Obama stuttering in front of his teleprompter then hack into anyone who doesn't share their leg tingles and girly crush on the One. Talk radio and the blogoshpere have also helped break the left's lock on news media, and with leftist propaganda outlets like the NY Times and NBC losing sponsors, audience, and money, it's obvious that the US public is tired of being lied to and misled. There are some diehard leftists out there who want to silence news they don't like, but that's typical of totalitarian lickspittles and those who are unintelligent and ignorant. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 13, 2009 1:25 PM:

" Thankfully, reputable news outlets like FOX and the Wall Street Journal actually report the news, unlike their biased couterparts that churn out propaganda and spike news reports that are unfavorable to leftists and their brainwashed toadies.

Yeah right, even. And Rush Limbaugh is not a racist. lol! "

theproletariat87 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 1:25 PM:

" Good point shadow!

Even, I'm sorry, but Fox news is just as biased as MSNBC and CNN. If you want unbiased, how bout BBC World News, or listen to NPR. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 13, 2009 5:48 PM:

" and neo con.....well what can I say...

Conservatives see....

Liberals want...

Anarchist see...
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...and how about being original rather than copying me? "

theproletariat87 wrote on Oct 13, 2009 10:29 PM:

" Neocon I was making fun of your way of making points because they were rhetoric so I did the same buddy. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 14, 2009 8:46 AM:

" Or how about this one?

I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. Theyre interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think theres a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didnt deserve.

This is the one that will no doubt stop his bid to buy the St Louis Rams. "

medic57 wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:51 AM:

" 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency

Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. "

jrhendren wrote on Oct 21, 2009 12:06 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 14, 2009 8:46 AM:
" Or how about this one?

I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. Theyre interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think theres a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didnt deserve.

This is the one that will no doubt stop his bid to buy the St Louis Rams. "

The fact that his comments were correct does not matter though. McNabb and those of the likes of ESPN were giving McNabb all the credit, and not the team. Also remember the Super Bowl, Chicago Vs. the Colts. All you heard was how great it was to see two black coaches going against each other. The truth is it doesn't matter if the coaches and players are black, white, green, red, orange, or any other color. "