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Friday, September 25, 2009 8:59 PM CDT
LETTER: Logistics will doom
government-run system

DON SEARLES, MATTOON

Assume congress passes a perfect health care plan. That plan will fail and cause chaos because of one important matter, Logistics.

Logistics is the management of the flow of goods, information and other resources, including energy and people, between the point of origin and the point of consumption, in order to meet the requirements of consumers.

According to the administration, there will be 48 million people who do not now have health insurance who will have health insurance and start to make regular visits to a doctor. If each doctor has 500 patients, it would require 96,000 new doctors, as most doctors have all the patients they want.

You cannot find doctors at the unemployment office. It takes 6 to 8 years of education and training. The new doctors need nurses, secretaries, offices, equipment and the list goes on and on.

Regardless of who is providing insurance or paying, the government or insurance companies, there must be people to run the system. In Britain, the population is 50 million and there are 1.3 million people that work in the health care system.

If that ratio holds true in the U.S., there would be over 7 million people working in a government-run system. If that ratio holds true in the U.S. there would be 1.2 million people needed to run a system for 48 million new insured.

All these people need to be hired, trained, provided with offices, office equipment, supplies, down to paper clips and the list goes on and on. The details of the logistics to run this massive operation could fill as many as 100 pages.

Even if the figures herein are too high, the number of people needed to start and run a health care system proposed by Congress will be massive. Never in the history of the world has such a massive program been undertaken.

Based on my experience with logistics during my 36 years as the owner of Dredging Specialists, completing 200 projects in 22 states and 7 other countries, it is my opinion that the logistics of starting and running the massive health care system proposed by Congress, will lead to chaos, millions of angry people, and the complete failure of the health care system in the U.S.

Congress has no concept of the logistics required, but reality will strike them in a few months with devastating results.

Improper planning always leads to unexpected and disastrous consequences.

DON SEARLES

Mattoon

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Jim1969 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:30 AM:

" There is probably a sign in every government building where elected officials go to be sworn in that says:

"Welcome to Dreamland. Please check every notion of reality at the door." "

sammy wrote on Sep 26, 2009 9:56 PM:

" Re: Health plan would push millions out of Medicare program

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Of coarse they need to push millions out of the medicare program, as their ability to live, prosper, and secure positions of power, relies on a population, who's size does not interfere with the bureaucracies ability to grow. There is less then 20 percent of American tax dollars that ever makes it to the people America acted to provide for. A taxed population that is declining, has citizens are forced into the roles the progressive left approves of. Has their base of government subsidized, tax exempt factions, and workers of those factions paying limited taxes grows, Americas ability to support them becomes less every day. Just one illegal alien, employed, or housed, by any American enables that American to hide profits, excape state, and federal fees, as well as required taxes.

Just one elderly person, or one disabled person, forced through attrition into an approved federal housing project works the same way, except they do it legally with legislation. I'm MAD and I'M MAD AS HELL! I'm not going to be forced from my freedom to live an independent life, so a damn hired hand can secure a job at the behest of his partners in crime. I'd prefer to die an American, then a thief.
__________________ "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Sep 27, 2009 9:56 AM:

" Sounds like a very well thought out letter. "

Locke wrote on Sep 27, 2009 1:34 PM:

" Wow! Thanks Don!

Very insightful, except for the fact there are still "logistical problems" with the current system -- chiefly the uninsured who have a patient to doctor ratio of 30,000,000 to 0.

Now that you are done complaining about a proposed fix to the problem, how about you enlighten us with a solution of your own? Surely your 36 years of logistical experience can offer some constructive input, right?

With your 36 years experience, that tells me one thing... this problem we all face is going to be around a lot longer than you will. Maybe that is why you don't offer a solution -- it won't matter to you in 10 years.

Offer a solution, stand aside, or just go away and increase the availability of your primary doctor. "

The Question wrote on Sep 28, 2009 7:33 AM:

" "Of coarse they need to push millions out of the medicare program..."
---
Yes, you are certainly coarse, Sammy. But that's not the word you mean. "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 28, 2009 8:04 AM:

" The Logistics do seem daunting BUT the logistics of doing nothing are even greater. Lets see poverty increases crime which increases the need for the legal system which increases the need for the prison system. To just name one logistical nightmare. We already have more people incarcerated than any other "civilized" nation. Access to health insurance and adequate health care can help people move off the poverty side of the ledger to the productive side of the ledger. Those that are only concerned about ME, ME, Me need to stand back and look at the BIGGER picture. "

M wrote on Sep 28, 2009 8:47 AM:

" You know, Locke? There is no reason for you to be such a jerk to Mr. Searles. He is a good and decent man who wrote a letter. What you fail to understand is that if you have so much to say and think you can say it better then, by all means, step up and set yourself out there for everyone like you to ridicule. Here's a helpful hint, maybe you should take your own advice and "just go away" because I've already read one of your "solutions" and believe me when I tell you that your solution is no solution at all. So, unless you have something original to add to the debate go ahead and take my earlier advice and move to China. "

father bob wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:42 AM:

" sammy wrote on Sep 26, 2009 9:56 PM:
" I'd prefer to die an American, then a thief.""""""

sorry sammy....but you can only die once. "

father bob wrote on Sep 28, 2009 12:48 PM:

" what mr. searles seems to overlook is the obvious. there are several systems already in place to implement any new healthcare plan. it's not brain surgery...(pun intended) "

Bernie wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:18 PM:

" Traditional Medicare has a proven 40-year history of operating on 2-3% administrative overhead. Private health insurers skim 31% off the top before any medical services can begin to be delivered.

Newly privatized Medicare Disadvantage plans are eating hundreds of billions more of our health care dollars, and shredding health coverage safety nets with their promises made but not kept. So far just the additional costs of privatizing Medicare have added up to more than it would have cost us to insure all 9 million of our uninsured children over the past six years since these outrageous corporate welfare plans at taxpayer expense were implemented.

NO business that expects to remain viable would allow an unnecessary and extremely inefficient, immmoral middleman to skim 31% off the top before any goods or services could begin to be delivered, and We the People's business must stop doing so too....if we expect to remain viable, that is. Common business sense dictates eliminating unnecessary, greedy, amoral middlemen and utilizing efficiencies of scale.

Improve Medicare for All. It would save 45,000 innocent American lives, uncounted easily preventable disabilities, three-quarters of a million senseless bankruptcies, tens of millions of Americans from having to live in sheer terror of becoming ill, and a minimum of $400 Billion dollars each and every year after year (AFTER everyone is covered).

The part Don's theory is missing is that the cost of not allowing access to preventative care ends up costing us all more, and comes back to bite us in the end. Uninsured Americans are human beings who deserve common, decent, humane compassion. How long do we want our wait persons, store clerks, child care workers and hair dressers walking around spreading those nagging coughs before they are able to see a doctor? What if one of our tens of millions of uninsured is taking up OUR valuable space in an emergency room with their gosh-darned preventable emergencies just when WE need it most?

"I've got mine and I'm afraid what will happen to mine if you have the same protection" is an embarrassing national philosophy on the world stage. Every other civilized nation on Earth but ours has agreed to cover all of their citizens on moral grounds, and long ago figured out how to do it at a fraction of the cost compared to what we spend. "

Bernie wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:36 PM:

" For one out of every four Americans under age 65 who are uninsured because they are trapped in a profit-before-people private health unsurance non-system with no other option, our health coverage system is already a complete failure. It would fail tens of millions more under age 65 (who don't realize or believe it until after it happens to them)...if they have the misfortune of becoming sick.

When will that reality strike the three out of four of us who think we are covered just because we're paying through our noses for it?

But for the grace of God go you, My Friends. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 28, 2009 2:38 PM:

" The Diversity Czar Mike LLoyd said 'White people need to be forced to "step down" so someone else can have power."

It doesn't get more racist then that!

Isn't this what Marxist do in other countries, give away what is one persons to another person in the name of equality as Mugabe did when he gave white farmers homes and farms away to the blacks?

Obama keeps these radicals in his council and developing his policies. It is no mistake that his appointees,especiall y his Czars, are radical leftists because he is of like mind.

Much if the radical change in America will come through these Czars through processes like the FCC changes in rules without oversight and the public will not even know the drastic changes until afterwords.

This administration is filled with bigots some of who call us "cowards!" "

father bob wrote on Sep 28, 2009 4:59 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 28, 2009 2:38 PM:
" The Diversity Czar Mike LLoyd said 'White people need to be forced to "step down" so someone else can have power."

It doesn't get more racist then that! """""

um....seedy, you're Becked to the max. take a few deep breaths, wipe the foam off your mouth, and think really hard where you left your prozac. "

father bob wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:41 PM:

" seedy....get yourself all Becked-up tonight, then tomorrow exlain why the dow is going to break 10,000. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:51 PM:

" I did a little research on that comment fb, and yes he did say it several years ago. Interestingly enough, a Google search on this comment listed several white supremacist's sites who are having a field day with it too. The right wing wackos are kept busy these days researching the entire lives of anyone associated with the president. Do you suppose seedy learned about it on one of the white power group's web sites? "

Ilovebilloreilly wrote on Sep 28, 2009 7:51 PM:

" It's funny that ole Father Slob and Scary Potter have many many comments for all, especially when the opinion differs from their own. You would think a Father and Wizard would know the meaning of diversity... I'm trying to recall when they were"men" enough to write an actual PUBLISHED letter for all to see. As for Locke, whew, where to start. All I can say is they make medication for all types of Psychosis these days. Maybe you are uninsured, well, when the beloved, sure to fail, health care is implemented maybe you can be seen within the next 20 years and get that anger issue taken care of. You all seem to want to personally attack anyone with an opinion the opposite of yours, you're not the only ones who can play that game. GAME ON!!! "

Locke wrote on Sep 28, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Divert the Colorado River and build a damn within 5 years, never!

Oh no, the Normandy Landing could never succeed, it is a logistic nightmare. The Germans are just too well defended.

The Berlin Airlift? Never! It is a logistical impossibility. The Russians won't stand for it!

Putting a man on the moon? It will never happen, it is just too difficult. It will bankrupt this country.

I'm still trying to figure out what 36 years of dredging experience has to do with fixing the health care in this country. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:08 PM:

" Obamacare: Buy insurance or go to jail!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Obamacare: Buy insurance or go to jail!
GOP's Ensign receives handwritten confirmation of IRS penalty for failure to pay fee
--Politico
Ensign receives handwritten confirmation
This doesn't happen often enough.

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.

Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail
...

found at?
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/09..._.html?showall "

sammy wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:17 PM:

" ACORN's Man in the White House

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I don't know why this news would surprise anyone.

Obama, himself, worked for and represented ACORN, while hanging out with his buddy Bill Ayers and other radicals, in the Windy City.

This organized crime syndicate got him elected to office, by employing voter fraud and extortion.

Obama would probably have let them set up a brothel, in the Lincoln Bedroom, if their willingness to engage in illegal smuggling of illegal alien children, from El Salvador, for the the purposes of prostitution and tax fraud hadn't been uncovered by a couple of young enterprising investigative reporters, who caught it all on tape. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 28, 2009 11:29 PM:

" bama's Policies Would Redistribute Nearly $1 Trillion in Wealth Every Year

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Just more of the "War on Poverty" started in the mid-sixties. No matter how much money has been thrown on the "poor", they are still poor and waiting on the couch in the projects for their next welfare check.

Almost 45 years and nothing has changed, when the hell does the voting public learn? This is a putrid, horrendous, disgusting policy and the only reason for it is to keep those people poor and dependent so they will continue to lick the boots of the left!
__________________ "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 29, 2009 7:11 AM:

" It's funny that ole Father Slob and Scary Potter have many many comments for all, especially when the opinion differs from their own.

I'm glad the loony right wingers don't do that too. lol!

It's also good that they never resort to name calling too. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 29, 2009 7:22 AM:

" As despicable as the actions of some in the ACORN organization was, it's nothing compared to the fraud perpetrated on the public during the Bush years. Cooking up lies to send over 4 thousand young Americans to their death in Iraq. All the while the corrupt VP, Cheney, was making millions off his Halliburton stock options. Compared to the biggest scam in history, the invasion and occupation of Iraq, ACORN seems like peanuts. (no pun intended) "

The Question wrote on Sep 29, 2009 7:46 AM:

" Dylan Rattigan, who left CNBC so he could report the truth about corporate America, had this to say: "Instead of seeking answers to the problem of paying for and providing medicine, we are doing the exact opposite. Taxpayers' money is being played with by politicians who are desperately trying to protect the competition-stifling, false security of the monopolistic employer-based health care system and its outdated, over-charging, under-delivering ways. Given the least consideration are those affected the most the patients and the doctors who care for them."
"How much longer must we live in a country where the citizens are subservient to the banks, health insurance companies and any other special interest able to control our government at the expense of our the most basic principles of fairness, our future as a nation and, as a result, our freedom?" "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 29, 2009 8:07 AM:

" Bah humbug! Are there no poor houses? "

warrior wrote on Sep 29, 2009 8:39 AM:

" The greedy and corrupt politicians will ruin the health care plan, just like they have the Social Security System and Medicare.
I can't believe how some people never learn and are so completely oblivious to the fact our politicians keep taking more and more from our paychecks for these idiotic government run programs only to see them fail because somebody has put their sticky little fingers in the piggy bank.
As for the fact of doing something is better than doing nothing, who says doing something is better.
Do you really want to have someone take an extra 2% out of your paycheck to support 18 million illegals immigrants with Obamas health care plan?????
The health care plan Obama is wanting passed is a joke and a disgrace to us taxpayers.
I think Obamas time would be better spent appearing on Sesame Street, Alf, instead of appearing on Letterman and making an arse of himself. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 29, 2009 11:43 AM:

" I see the AP is reporting the income gap widened last year under Bush. No doubt the super wealthy, who rightfully pay the bulk of taxes, were helped by the outlandish tax cuts by the Bush administration. I guess that trickle down idea worked about as well for Bush as it did for Reagan. Some long for another Clinton economy. Perhaps after Obama gets through cleaning up the disastrous mess he inherited from Bush, we will have another one. lol! "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 29, 2009 1:05 PM:

" Warrior I would like to live in a safer world and that means providing adequate health care and insurance to ALL. It means working to eliminate poverty and the inequality between the haves and the have nots. It means reigning in out of control business and financial barons. AND yes it means that I will have to pay a little more up front in higher taxes,and give up a little (not use so much of the worlds resources for my own selfish wants). "

Bernie wrote on Sep 29, 2009 1:33 PM:

" No where is there more greed, or more fat that more desperately needs trimmed, than on the gravy trainload full of it that private health unsurers are riding at our expense.

Our uniquely American divided-and-conquered private health unsurance is the worst, most immoral, inefficient, expensive, unreliable health coverage non-system on the face of the Earth, and every civilized nation in the world but our knows it. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 29, 2009 4:01 PM:

" The collapse of socialism...

Well... at least the Europeans have figured it out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/world/europe/29socialism.html

Boy... I'm beginning to like the Europeans more and more...looks like I'll just have to vacation in Europe next summer...just to reward them with my hard earned $ for edging evermore toward capitalism...besides...who wants to spend there money in some 2-bit socialist country like the USSA (United Socialist States of America)? "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 29, 2009 4:21 PM:

" father bob wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:41 PM:

" seedy....get yourself all Becked-up tonight, then tomorrow exlain why the dow is going to break 10,000. "

WOW!!! All the way to 10,000?? Sorry , NOT TODAY!!! "

Bps wrote on Sep 29, 2009 8:57 PM:

" What is wrong with the people LCoO?

How is it they dont understand just how well Barack Obama is performing his role as President:

32% Strongly Approve
38% Strongly Disapprove

Ought-oh a negative 6 rating tsk, tsk.

Oh, thats right according to HP, fb and the rest of the LCoO it must be all of those nasty racists tea party people and the Fox news driven right.

Funny according the fb/HP this is a tiny little group who isshrinking away.

Hum, somehow this tiny little group must be skewing this racist poll.

Hum, if that was true then why is it:

Just 41% of voters nationwide now favor ObamaCare.

Thats the lowest level of support yet measured.

56% of likely voters are opposed to it.

HP/fb/lefty or another member of the LCoO- how could 56% of the voters polled be opposed to such a well defined proposal to take over the health care of the country so we all become beholden to the gooberment bureaucrats?

Here is an idea, maybe it is because the Dummy-crats cant seem to decide what it is, they just know that we have to have it now or we are all doomed.

Yep, all these months and NOBODY has a clue what this abomination of a bill will actually be. No firm published definitions, just words in the ether.

Common, surely the seniors must understand how badly we need this it.

Oops, 59% of seniors are opposed.

Well at least the Dummy-crats get it, 75% of Democrats favor the plan.

Of course they have no clue what it is, but like good little lemmings they just know that they have to have it or the country is doomed.

Their Dummy-crat leaders would never lie to them, right?

72% of the unaffiliated are opposed.

Gulp, you know HP/fb these are the ones that have decided the last three presidential elections.

Here is an idea, lets take a day trip overseas to take our mind off it and maybe we can get some credit for getting the Olympics for Chicago.

Yea thats the ticket, EUROPEAN ROAD TRIP.

Heck, those voters wont mind if we waste just a few more millions on another joy ride.

Can you guess what these voters will say in the 2010 elections when the Dummy-crats Rahm whatever this turns out to be through like they are threatening?

My, my can you say throw the bums out.

(Note- all statistics used were pulled out of the current Rasmussen polling information of likely voters) "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 29, 2009 10:52 PM:

" hp1Re: More school: Obama would curtail summer vacation

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Oh, man, as a former educator I could go on all day about this.

But the short version, according to The Messiah, more time spent in school=more time used for indoctrination and propagandization. (Not more time for education.)

They WANT MORE CONTROL OVER YOUR KIDS, so they will take them away from you longer and keep them longer during the day, so your home and family influence will be reduced at the gain of the government-run schools, which we all know are hotbeds of socialism and run by dyed in the wool Liberals.

If they keep following down this path, the next thing they will do is take kids from homes they deem inappropriate, i.e. Christians and conservatives, and put them in government-run boarding schools, Soviet-style, and if necessary they will just have "worker factories" called "schools," where children are housed, indoctrinated, and turned out to be good little workers who worship the Leader and don't question the State. It's been done before in other times and other places.

The kids wouldn't need as much time in school now and would learn more if they didn't include such Leftist propaganda and all that touchy-feely, "I can do whatever I want and Society owes me because I am Special!" self-esteem crap. So much time out of the day is taken up by disciplining kids who know they can do whatever they want and probably get away with it and government mandated (both local and state as well as federal) paperwork and regulations, there is little time left at all for teaching after all the indoctrination and propaganda sessions are concluded.

That's all for now, but believe me, I could go on and on. I found this on net HP,FB,TQ Just thought it would amuse you!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 30, 2009 8:36 AM:

" Sarah Palin is not selling well on the lecture circuit, an industry insider told the New York Post.

"The big lecture buyers in the US are paralyzed with fear about booking her, basically because they think she is a blithering idiot," the source said. "They don't want to tick people off."

Palin's fee for a recent speech in Hong Kong was rumored to be in the low six figures.
Huffington post-

Oh no, does this spell doom for Sarah's big plans for 2012? You "betcha, wink wink" it does. lol! "

The Question wrote on Sep 30, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Well, of course you found it "on the net," Seedy. We're well aware that you are certainly no educator, former or otherwise. "

father bob wrote on Sep 30, 2009 10:26 AM:

" father bob wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:41 PM:
" seedy....get yourself all Becked-up tonight, then tomorrow exlain why the dow is going to break 10,000. """""

so seedy.....why is the Dow going to break 10,000? you didn't explain. "

father bob wrote on Sep 30, 2009 10:34 AM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 29, 2009 10:52 PM:
"That's all for now, but believe me, I could go on and on. I found this on net HP,FB,TQ Just thought it would amuse you!!"""""

hehehehe....you're right that's a pretty good comedy shtick. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 30, 2009 2:45 PM:

" " Well, of course you found it "on the net," Seedy. We're well aware that you are certainly no educator, former or otherwise. "

Just being a conservative makes me smarter than all you liberal loonies put together!! In 2010 you will be whining,but it will do you no good. "

father bob wrote on Sep 30, 2009 3:01 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 30, 2009 2:45 PM:
"In 2010 you will be whining,but it will do you no good. """""

we liberals don't whine. we leave that to the uneducated ignoramus conservatives. "

father bob wrote on Sep 30, 2009 3:10 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 30, 2009 2:45 PM:
"Just being a conservative makes me smarter than all you liberal loonies put together""""""

well i have to give you credit for the post seedy..... your spelling was correct for once. hang around us a while and we'll have your thought process turned around too. "

The Question wrote on Sep 30, 2009 5:13 PM:

" Speaking of right-wing nut jobs, Arizona has legalized guns in bars, as of today.
NRA's Western Region Director J.P. Nelson says, "If a person starts drinking and gets in a shootout and kills someone, of course they're subject to criminal prosecution."
Well, that's certainly reassuring.
Of course, this may just be a way to thin out the right-wing lowlife herd. "

lefty wrote on Sep 30, 2009 5:20 PM:

" C666, we point to the evidence and that ain't good enough.

So really what it comes down to is that tyranny of the left, SCARY! Tyranny of the right... delicious!

You have no desire for actual liberty. "

father bob wrote on Sep 30, 2009 5:34 PM:

" The Question wrote on Sep 30, 2009 5:13 PM:
"Well, that's certainly reassuring.
Of course, this may just be a way to thin out the right-wing lowlife herd. """"

might not be a bad idea. morons with guns and a belly full of alcohol. all you need to add is a pool table and you've got the beginnings of a real live gunfight! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 PM:

" Oh, man, as a former educator I could go on all day about this...

So tell us, which barber college did you teach at, seedy?

No offense to the fine barbers in town. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 30, 2009 7:42 PM:

" The Republicans are throwing a hissy fit over the President going to the Olympics committee to make a pitch for the Summer Olympics to be held in the US. I don't know about the rest of you but I would rather see a President pitching for something that would create, by some estimates, 300 thousand jobs and generate an estimated 22+ billion in revenue than one who pitched a war, like his predecessor did. I guess the Republicans are against jobs and increased revenue now. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 30, 2009 8:23 PM:

" Where's Sybil tonight? I wonder if he's laying low after the big pot bust? lol! "

Ilovebilloreilly wrote on Sep 30, 2009 9:36 PM:

" I am happy Obama went to Copenhagen, another reason for his ratings to fall! Hey, maybe Daley can get a nice big bailout when the inevitable massive budget holes are funded by taxpayer dollars.
I will share with you the real reason Obama wants the Olympics here, the healthcare issue will be put on the back burner for another 40 years. Obama knows this and, I wonder, if by claiming success with the Olympics, he could use the opportunity to downplay the failure of Obamacare. Just as he has downplayed every other failure of his.
Let's talk about generating revenue:
The Olympics are not net positives for any city. They all have been left with debts and cost overruns that taxpayers are stuck with.Atlantans were told that the city and even the whole State would receive huge economic benefits from hosting the Olympics. Did. Not. Happen.

They were told to leave town for 3 weeks or stay home so the restaurants, shops, and streets would be clear for the visitors. Restaurants and shops, other than those downtown, ended up losing money for those 3 weeks because they were empty. The local news was filled with stories near the end of the Olympics of restaurants and shops begging for Atlantans to return. Atlanta suffered massive financial strain in the aftermath of the games.
The tab is already running for taxpayers, flying AF1 at $20,000.00 per minute gets a little pricey.

But, a positive does come from Obama being out of the White House for yet another day, that's less of a chance he will screw something else up. He will probably need a vacation when he gets back, all that hard work makes a president tired. "

cedric66 wrote on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 AM:

" well i have to give you credit for the post seedy..... your spelling was correct for once. hang around us a while and we'll have your thought process turned around too.

Better check your own spelling there Einstein. Your grammar isn't any better than someone in the first grade "

Hound Dog wrote on Oct 1, 2009 5:35 AM:

" Yea, Potter, we will have an even bigger mess to clean up in 2010 and 2012, with the mess Obama and his cronies are creating in the great country HE inherited. All the broken campaign promises, all the Hope and Change, now comes the Czars, larger government, mass corruption, and you know I could go on. One big mistake, America. "

father bob wrote on Oct 1, 2009 8:47 AM:

" cedric66 wrote on Oct 1, 2009 12:41 AM:
" Better check your own spelling there Einstein. Your grammar isn't any better than someone in the first grade """""

hehehehehe.....now what about the Magna Carta seedy....you missed your assignment again! you were going to tell us all about it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 1, 2009 9:04 AM:

" This one is dedicated to all of the Becksters who post on here:

TORIC: BECK SAID VANCOUVER LOST $1 BILLION WHEN IT "HAD THE OLYMPICS." Glenn Beck said, "Vancouver lost, how much was it? they lost a billion dollars when they had the Olympics." [Transcript, Glenn Beck Show, 9/29/09]

REALITY: VANCOUVER'S OLYMPICS WILL NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL 2010. Vancouver will host the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Games from February 12 - 28, 2010 and March 12-21, 2010, respectively.

Apparently Beck doesn't bother to check out any facts in his ongoing assault on the President. But hey, he works for Fox so what else should we expect?

Remember him claiming a million and a half to two million at the tea naggers party in DC, that was estimated by both the DC fire and police departments to be from 60 to 70 thousand.

Good old Glenn, I'm starting to think he might be even more dishonest than Sean Hannity, and that's saying a lot. "

father bob wrote on Oct 1, 2009 9:48 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 1, 2009 9:04 AM:
"Good old Glenn, I'm starting to think he might be even more dishonest than Sean Hannity, and that's saying a lot. """""

glenn beck is a reincarnated David Koresh. he's psychotic enough to actually believe what he says, and he has the lunatic fringe who believe his bigoted rantings....enough so they'd also burn in flames if he asked.

scary part is, it will probably happen. "

The Question wrote on Oct 1, 2009 10:10 AM:

" Intellectual dishonesty is the hallmark of the Republican Party. They lie outright about everything they can get away with, for example, leading the elderly to believe that Democrats intend to euthanize them.
They dissemble when they cannot lie, for example renaming torture "enhanced interrogation."
And they confuse when they cannot dissemble, for example, branding the victims of racism as "racists" and calling the people who expose their own fascism "fascists."
Leading neocons have made themselves a virtue of lying, claiming that the ignorant masses must be lied to and hoodwinked with simple-minded religion.
Republicans lie because they have to. If they revealed their real ruthless, greedy motives, they'd be out of office and, in many cases, right into prison. "

warrior wrote on Oct 1, 2009 11:14 AM:

" No Harry, What us republicans want from Obama is to quit dropping by the White House once a month to pick up his $33,333.00 check for doing nothing. We have enough people sucking off the welfare department without having your president running all around the world costing us $1-$2 million each time.
As far as the Olympics go and the revenue you say will be generated, boy talk about someone being clueless. The Olympics in China cost them 44 billion, so that means (according to you Harry) we will lose 20 billion or so for hosting the Olympics.
Now I can see why your a Democrat, your math skills are about as good as Obama's and the democratic congress on the cost of their Health care plan.
No wonder Obama is ranked Number 1 for putting us in debt faster than any other President in history. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 1, 2009 11:26 AM:

" Scientists today announced the discovery of the oldest fossil skeleton of a human ancestor. The find reveals that our forebears underwent a previously unknown stage of evolution more than a million years before Lucy, the iconic early human ancestor specimen that walked the Earth 3.2 million years ago (interactive time line: how the new discovery changes human evolutionary theory).
National Geographic-

This won't set well with Sarah Palin and her anti-science ilk, who claim the earth is only 6000 years old. "

father bob wrote on Oct 1, 2009 11:35 AM:

" those sneaky bas****s:

The Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday night approved an amendment providing tens of millions of dollars to fund abstinence education programs for teens.

The proposal, offered by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), would provide $50 million per year through 2014 exclusively for abstinence education programs. The measure would effectively reinstate the controversial Title V program, which offered $50 million per year to states for abstinence education, but prohibited them from tapping the funds for other sex-ed subjects like contraception. The same prohibition would accompany the Hatch amendment. Abstinence education works, the Utah Republican said.

The vote was 12 to 11, with Democratic Sens. Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) and Kent Conrad (N.D.) voting with every Republican to secure passage of the measure.

The proposals success caught Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) off guard. The Finance Chairman had offered an alternative to Hatchs proposal, which would provide funding to a broader swath of teen wellness programs, including those addressing contraception, HIV/AIDS, healthy relationships and financial literacy.

~Washington Independent~ "

The Question wrote on Oct 1, 2009 12:37 PM:

" A Republican senator lets a little truth slip from his lips, for once.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, speaking of Fox News lying loon Glenn Beck: "Only in America can you make that much money crying. Glenn Beck is not aligned with any party. He is aligned with cynicism and there has always been a market for cynics." "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 1, 2009 2:10 PM:

" Fox online headlined with a story about a member of Obama's team that was over 20 years old. Remember that Bush refused to talk about his suspected drug use, saying nothing that happened over seven years ago mattered, and had no bearing on his ability to serve as President. Apparently things are different since the Dems took over and the standards for service have been changed from seven years to twenty plus years. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 1, 2009 2:22 PM:

" So tell us, which barber college did you teach at, seedy?
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And which one did you teach at Harry Potter? "

cedric66 wrote on Oct 1, 2009 3:38 PM:

" "FATHER BOB" NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks suffered their worst one-day loss in 3 months on Thursday as data on jobs and manufacturing data added to recent lackluster economic figures, fueling fears about the recovery's strength.

The Dow Jones industrial average (DJI:^DJI - News) dropped 203.00 points, or 2.09 percent, to end unofficially at 9,509.28. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index (^SPX - News) fell 27.23 points, or 2.58 percent, to finish unofficially at 1,029.85. The Nasdaq Composite Index (Nasdaq:^IXIC - News) lost 64.94 points, or 3.06 percent, to close unofficially at 2,057.48.

For both the Dow and the S&P 500, this was the worst daily performance since July 2. And for the Nasdaq, this was the worst one-day performance since June 22
WOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

father bob wrote on Oct 1, 2009 4:04 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Oct 1, 2009 3:38 PM:
" "FATHER BOB" NEW YORK (Reuters) - Stocks suffered their worst one-day loss in 3 months on Thursday as data on jobs and manufacturing data added to recent lackluster economic figures, fueling fears about the recovery's strength."""""

you america haters should be jumping for joy!

it's ok though....it'll hit 10,000 soon. "

Chet Steadman wrote on Oct 1, 2009 6:35 PM:

" I stopped looking at these things for about a month because the digs always seem the same. Let's see, a letter to the editor is written by a conservative individual. The usual suspects (TQ, HP, FB) immediately point out the authors obvious intellectual shortcomings. They then all banter back and forth about their own academic ability and how dare ANYONE disagree with their views. They really feel great about themselves at this point. Others may post something backing the original thoughts of the author. The usual suspects grade the posters use of commas and point out spelling errors. Oh how smart this ust make you all feel.

Then someone gets tired and starts to defend the authors ideas and offers data to back their idea. The usual suspects come up with the brilliant conclusion that one with that sort of opinion must be a disciple of Rush, Hannity or Beck. The usual suspects then really go on the offensive and bring out old Palin material for some icing on the liberal cake

I now remember why I stopped looking at these messageboards. You libs need a new playbook this one is getting dated. It's nice to know I can count on a true liberals predictability. Maybe you can get some tax dollars to host a summit in order to develop some new ideas. "

The Question wrote on Oct 1, 2009 7:25 PM:

" The usual suspects (TQ, HP, FB) immediately point out the author's obvious intellectual shortcomings. They then all banter back and forth about their own academic ability and how dare ANYONE disagree with their views. They really feel great about themselves at this point.
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You're right, Chet. It's very enjoyable. Thanks for reminding us how much we enjoy it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 1, 2009 7:52 PM:

" Somebody get Chet a kleenex. At least he recognises our intellectual superiority. Funny no criticism of the right wing nuts like Sybil (that covers most of them) were mentioned in his whining little dialog. lol! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 1, 2009 10:19 PM:

" Well Chet...

It looks like you've pretty much "hit the nail on the head" squarely describing the antics of the liberal, "intellectual superiors" that frequent these blogs.

But Chet, do take note.

These liberal "intellectual superiors" here are nothing more than your typical "victims".

If you haven't noticed Chet, all of the regular liberal denizens to these blogs, in some way shape or form, have made their way in the world off of the back of the taxpayers.

Cannon Fodder Bub - ex-military, government contractor employed (government dole)

HP - retired public schools (government dole)

Cog - retired academic (government dole)

TQ, Locke, Humphreys - academia (government dole)

They couldn't survive singly on their own in the "real world", they have to run in packs, "groupthink" members if you will, and that's why they've had to hide out in government-related vocations.

They honestly think and know they're "vocational wares" are "something special", but darn-it...the rest of the world, at least the private sector, sure didn't think so.

And so "victims" always want to fell empowered in someway, and that's why the liberal "victims" here resort to the pathetic tactics that they do, and claim that they're "intellectual superiors". "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 2, 2009 8:19 AM:

" Well...well...well

What do I see here on Yahoo.

Headline: "Obama White House Lashes Out at Glenn Beck".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts935

It was all-too-funny when lib pundit Dan Rather made-up stuff about GWB's military record...but darn-it, Glenn Beck says "not-all-too-nice" stuff about Barry Obama...and "OH THE OUTRAGE, HOW CAN BECK DO SUCH A THING"?

Pansy, "victim" liberals... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 2, 2009 8:26 AM:

" And it's pretty funny Obama goes on every news station but FOX to promote his decrepit Health Care Reform Initiative...that nobody wants...

The funny thing about it is...nobody's watching those stations friendly to Obama...they're all watching FOX!

Hahahahahaha!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/fox-news-dominates-3q-200_n_304260.html "

cedric66 wrote on Oct 2, 2009 9:00 AM:

" " Somebody get Chet a kleenex. At least he recognises our intellectual superiority. Funny no criticism of the right wing nuts like Sybil (that covers most of them) were mentioned in his whining little dialog. lol! "

Use spellcheck much HP? "

father bob wrote on Oct 2, 2009 9:50 AM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 1, 2009 10:19 PM:
"If you haven't noticed Chet, all of the regular liberal denizens to these blogs, in some way shape or form, have made their way in the world off of the back of the taxpayers.""""

OOOPS! i forgot you don't believe in the socialist military where i served and left a leg to rot in vietnam. nor do you believe in the socialist academics of higher education where i was able to secure a degree....earned by myself....and then move into a job with several private companies who have paid me well for what i know and do. yes i am a victim! a victim of motivation, education and hard work!

don't you have some pies to bake?

you might want to leave the thinking to us socialists. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 2, 2009 3:47 PM:

" I sometimes think Neonut would be happier if he could buy and island somewhere and not have to deal with all of us non conservative types that make his life so miserable. After all he doesn't believe in the military, public schools, state and federal highway systems, law enforcement, fire protection, public drinking water, traffic lights, air safety, FDA or any of the other socialistic things in our evil society. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 2, 2009 3:49 PM:

" Use spellcheck much HP? "

If your's works 100% of the time, it's better than mine, seedy. Happy now? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 2, 2009 8:45 PM:

" OOOPS! i forgot you don't believe in the socialist military where i served and left a leg to rot in vietnam. nor do you believe in the socialist academics of higher education where i was able to secure a degree....earned by myself....and then move into a job with several private companies who have paid me well for what i know and do. yes i am a victim! a victim of motivation, education and hard work
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OOPS! I think more than just your leg rotted in Vietnam...

Ahhh...but you're right though... I don't believe in "the SOCIALIST academics of higher education"...but I do, however, believe in academics and higher education...I happen to have few...

If the general public knew how wasteful, inefficient, and self-serving government entities are...especially as found in the SOCIALIST academy of education...(do I need to mention the recent U of I scandal here?)... the general public would be rioting in the streets...

"where i was able to secure a degree....earned by myself"....AND PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYER so you could "move into a job with several private companies who have paid me well". Did ya ever stop to thank the taxpayer?

NAH..it was OWED to you wasn't it, victim?

But hey, Cannon-Fodder Bob... gotta go watch Fox News (or Faux News as you socialists call it)... they're talking about yur good ol' CORRUPT ACORN...their network for fradulent voter registrations that helped to get Barry Obama's elected...and ACORN'S multiple (paid) associations to Barry.

Hahaha hahahaha hahaha hahahahaha! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 2, 2009 9:01 PM:

" Oh BTW... Cannon Fodder Bob...I once had great respect for those in the military...BUT NOT ANYMORE...

I just think if you're in the military now...YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A SUCKER...

YOUR LEADERS... Barry Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, during the 2008 campaign, in essence, called the military "baby killers" and "losers" (oh... kinda like what you were called unjustly in SE Asia)... and you all put Barry in office.

Barry, Pelosi, and Reid have no respect for the military... they spouted off solely for politic gain...and you libs just "ate it up"...so why should I have respect for the military?

Wow...with views like this...I might just be becoming a liberal!!! Hahaha! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 2, 2009 9:29 PM:

" I sometimes think Neonut would be happier if he could buy and island somewhere and not have to deal with all of us non conservative types that make his life so miserable.
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Yup...you betcha, HP!

I'd live on an island were people put their faith in God rather than government.

On my island... I would put people in office that I could trust would do the job that I entrusted them to do...efficiently, productively, logically, and accountably...and not put put people in office for their power/political gain.

On my island... if you work hard...you get to benefit from your hard work... without somebody telling me I HAVE to give it to others not as fortunate. But for those that were less fortunate...I'd help them out because I wanted to...not cuz I HAVE TO.

On my island...you'd go to school to learn...and not go to be subjected to a social/political agendas (Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm Obama!)

On my island...EVERYONE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CARRY A FIREARM to support EVERYONES well-being...like our Forefathers required their nascent colonist brothers and sisters to do. And everyone would be RESPONSIBLE for the use of their FIREARM.

And on my island... I'd support a federal highway systems, law enforcement, fire protection, public drinking water, traffic lights, air safety, FDA...but I'd want it to be as efficient, productive, ACCOUNTABLE, and AS SMALL AS PRODUCTIVELY POSSIBLE... to me whose footing the bill...and not large as possible as liberals want it...and where there's no responsibility or accountability due to bloated-size.

Yeah...that's my island HP... "

cedric66 wrote on Oct 3, 2009 7:17 AM:

" Yeah...that's my island HP... "

Mine too. Let me know what time the ship leaves!! "Paradise"
NO LIBERALS OR PHONEYS LIKE HP,FB AND TQ TO PUT UP WITH "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 4, 2009 8:24 AM:

" Health care will happen, it's inevitable. Those on the far right as well as those on the far left will not get all of what they want. It will be a compromise. Hopefully it will be helpful to those who have been shut of the system for too long for whatever reason. It's a real shame that the debate is being conducted entirely along party lines. Are there any statesman left? Where is Mr. Smith when we need him? "

father bob wrote on Oct 5, 2009 2:15 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 4, 2009 8:24 AM:
" Are there any statesman left? Where is Mr. Smith when we need him? """""

hello?.....someone call for a statesman? "

father bob wrote on Oct 5, 2009 2:16 PM:

" one of many stories:

http://www.itcouldhappentoanyone.com/ "