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Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:41 PM CDT
LETTER: Hypothetical example could be alarming



STEVE CARPENTER, Lerna

As a purely hypothetical matter, if one were intent on undermining the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and individual liberty, what might that person start by doing?

Would he take advantage of a crisis in the financial market to “stabilize” it from potential collapse by firing some CEOs, limiting bonuses of others, and printing “paper money” with no real value and then tell everyone that it’s to “stimulate” the economy?

Would he lower interest rates to an unnatural level in the audacious hope of encouraging people to borrow and banks to lend (like that’s not what had created the mess)? Would he focus national attention from deals designed to benefit himself, his party, and special interest groups? Would he enlist the aid of and fund a “community organizing” entity like ACORN to implement “compassionate” policies designed to put as much Washington (i.e., taxpayer) money as possible in the hands of the poor (whether or not their poverty was their fault)?

Would he utilize the media to withhold information damaging to his administration and reveal information damaging to his opponents? Would he establish bureaucratic agencies headed by unvetted “czars” who were as corrupt as he with unlimited power and resources (but with no Congressional oversight) to execute policies established by executive fiat and special interest groupies?

Would he authorize the printing of trillions of worthless U.S. dollars to devalue the buying power of average citizens, making them more dependent on socialistic and foreign (Chinese) entities as a way to “globalize” the U.S.?

Would he encourage a public option to “compete” with the private sector to condition people to “trust” Big Government (that doesn’t have to show a profit in order to compete) for their health care? Would he “limit the terms” of free speech by characterizing his “partisan” opponents (who would wisely oppose his policy proposals) as “unpatriotic”?

Any of these tactics, taken individually, would be a troubling breach of public trust; taken as a whole, they represent nothing short of treason. Thank God we’re speaking purely hypothetically.

STEVE CARPENTER

Lerna


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CrowWoman wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:46 AM:

" The sky is falling, the sky is falling! "

The Question wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:38 AM:

" Ah, yes, good, old right-wing "outrage." It flows in virtual rivers, like cheap, trailer-park beer. It's equally
intoxicating, equally unhealthy, equally easy to convert into pure waste product and makes just as many people turn themselves into incoherent public jerks. "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:12 AM:

" anudder one of them thar cornspiracy gize. ah likes it!! lin up brudders we'ze marchin' on washuntun!!! "

even steven wrote on Sep 23, 2009 10:08 AM:

" The Question wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:38 AM:

" Ah, yes, good, old right-wing "outrage." It flows in virtual rivers, like cheap, trailer-park beer. It's equally
intoxicating, equally unhealthy, equally easy to convert into pure waste product and makes just as many people turn themselves into incoherent public jerks. "

Pot, meet kettle. You're hilarious! I hope you don't actually take yourself seriously. "

HeinekenMan wrote on Sep 23, 2009 12:06 PM:

" I agree that it was wrong for Republicans to say people who didn't support the Iraq War were unpatriotic. In fact, I wish people had listened. Perhaps we could have saved $700 billion and the lives of more than 4,000 U.S. soldiers. Of course, that's really a small matter compared to the poor CEOs who made million of dollars each year to run companies that didn't turn a profit. I think we should take whatever money is going to the families of dead soldiers and give to those poor CEOs. Hypothetically speaking, of course. "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:00 PM:

" psssst......hey steve, the chinese already own us. george "WTF?" bush sold our grandchildren to them for 9.5 trillion dollars a couple of years ago. and that's not hypothetical. "

XTownie wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:12 AM:

" Oh, well! Bush/Cheney set the bar for treason. Let me know when Obama lies us into an invasion and occupation. "

BW wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:29 AM:

" Won't be long, X. 'Cept we'll likely be the ones invaded and occupied. "

DONEdone wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:54 AM:

" WOW, INDOCTRINATION COMPLETE!where do i get my male intern to sexually harass? also, im stating my demand for my cut of the blackwater money, or even the pallets of money that"disappeared". "

jrhendren wrote on Sep 24, 2009 11:35 PM:

" XTownie wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:12 AM:
" Oh, well! Bush/Cheney set the bar for treason. Let me know when Obama lies us into an invasion and occupation. "


Since Bush did not lie us in, who are you talking about? "

DONEdone wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:23 AM:

" i do believe we were told that there was weapons of mass destruction there, that were never found. in most peoples book, THAT IS A LIE!!!!!!then we got told that iraq was involved with the terrorist attacks. not! george bush told more lies than truth when he was in office. "

EIUstudent68 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 PM:

" Very well said, hypothetically speaking that is... GOOD JOB "

Becky wrote on Sep 25, 2009 12:55 PM:

" "Since Bush did not lie us in, who are you talking about? "

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php

"The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission."

"We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by PRESIDENTIAL order than were ever detained and questioned."

"What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent."

Good enough for you jr? Let's include the part where Bush personally asked the 9-11 Commission not to dwelve too far into their investigation. "

The Question wrote on Sep 25, 2009 4:42 PM:

" As is now clear, the Bush administration did not care whether or not Iraq had WMD.
As Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz admitted, the WMD were chosen as the excuse to invade Iraq "for bureaucratic reasons." And as the Downing Street Memo revealed, the intelligence data was "fixed around the policy" of invasion.
The Bush fascists were absolutely determined to invade Iraq, and thought WMD could do the selling job for them to the American people who were going to have to pay for their warmongering in blood and treasure.
Even if Iraq had possessed WMD at the time, it would have represented no credible threat to the U.S. But it did not, and the Bush bunch didn't care.
"Simply stated," said Dick Cheney in August of 2002, "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."
That was a lie.
"Right now," said George W. Bush in September of 2002, "Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of nuclear weapons."
That was a lie.
"We know where they are," said Donald Rumsfeld in March of 2003. "They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad, and east, south, west and north somewhat."
That was a lie. "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:25 PM:

" Oh my TQ...you are too funny!

" Ah, yes, good, old right-wing "outrage." It flows in virtual rivers, like cheap, trailer-park beer. It's equally
intoxicating, equally unhealthy, equally easy to convert into pure waste product and makes just as many people turn themselves into incoherent public jerks. "


PERFECT!

Funny how the nasty 'ole right-wingers such as 10xSugar...I mean, 7x, Cedric and all the rest of those uneducated dimwits haven't come over here to renounce your statements about 9-11. Where are they? Oh, that's right...you're TELLING THE TRUTH. Something they refuse to do.

I ask again - WHY haven't President Cheyney and Bush been impeached? Probably because President Obama doesn't want to sully his hands with that mess; but by all rights they have lied, lied, LIED to the American people and should be held accountable. "

jrhendren wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:07 AM:

" DONEdone wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:23 AM:
" i do believe we were told that there was weapons of mass destruction there, that were never found. in most peoples book, THAT IS A LIE!!!!!!then we got told that iraq was involved with the terrorist attacks. not! george bush told more lies than truth when he was in office. "


SO Clinton lied to right? After all he said their were WMD's and Enriched Uranium in Iraq. I guess the mustard gas weapons used on their own people were not WMD either.

Meanwhile, a U.S. convoy in Iraq found an artillery shell believed to have the makings of sarin -- a deadly nerve gas used in chemical weapons, the coalition said Monday. - CNN Monday, May 17, 2004

"The Pentagon announced this morning that a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) was found today in Baghdad, hanging from a rope on a platform." - CNN Dec. 30, 2006

"chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors." - AP April 26, 2004, By Kenneth R. Timmerman

"Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight." - AP April 26, 2004, By Kenneth R. Timmerman

"They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said." - AP April 26, 2004, By Kenneth R. Timmerman

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- American-led coalition forces in Iraq found sarin gas in an artillery round that was rigged as an improvised explosive device, U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said" - CNN

Those darn facts by those there again.

"THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion" - The Weekly Standard

[Osama] bin Laden himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Laden asked the Iraqi official for weapons procurement assistance and get this permission to establish terrorist training facilities in Iraq." - 9/11 Commission Report

There are indications that [by 2001] the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy. (Ansar al Islam, an Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group with training camps in Northern Iraq prior to 2003.) - 9/11 Commission Report

I know how you all hate facts sorry to have to bring them up.

Then of course you have the fact that Congress on more then one occasion would have to have been duped by the President also. (If that happen what does that say about Congress?) For a man you all declare to be so stupid he sure had to have been smart to pull this all off. "

jrhendren wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:12 AM:

" Becky and the Question,
You might want to read the entire report not just parts, and look at, I know you hate to Question, but look at all the facts. Your jumps are just as bad as those who say President Obama is not a legal President because of a birth certificate. Sorry facts are facts. Now I will say I do not believe that President Bush handled things correctly. I believe he jumped the gun with his carrier declaration. However, President Clinton himself believed the same so if you are going to jump Bush maybe you all should jump your guy too. "

 


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