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Friday, September 18, 2009 9:04 PM CDT
LETTER: President's allegiance
is to the 'radical left'

By JACK PIERCE, Charleston

The 1,100-page health care bill, written by the Democrats alone, is so ambiguous that it could mean just about anything a government bureaucrat chooses it to mean.

Yet, Obama’s devoted followers will blindly support the bill without even reading it. I suppose that if Obama proposed a bill that would have every third American killed, there are those Democrats who would stand up and volunteer for the honor of being the first to be shot. Such is the complete blind devotion by some Democrats to this president.

Communist Russia has always squashed all criticism of their leaders, and Pravda has been the long-established mouth piece for their government, along with their complicit radio and TV. In this country, the New York Times, NBC, CBS and ABC have become for Obama what Pravda is to Russia, supporting Obama’s agenda without any criticism of his actions whatever.

Nowhere, outside of the Fox network, did you hear of any problems associated with the avowed communist Van Jones, who was appointed by Obama as his green jobs czar. Only after Jones resignation did a few lines appear at the bottom of newspaper pages.

Fox has plenty of criticism for the radical left, and has taken the Republicans to the woodshed on numerous occasions, as they well should, and remains the only network I can rely on to give a fair and balanced picture of the political wars in Washington.

The proposal of a “Fairness Doctrine” under consideration by some Democrats, would have all conservative viewpoints removed from the airways, essentially leaving America with a one-party dictatorial agenda, as is the case in all communist nations.

Communist Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is currently in the process of removing all radio and TV stations in his country that are critical of him.

It is more and more apparent to me that while Obama might have run under the Democratic label, the radicals which he is surrounding himself with, leave little doubt of his hidden racism, as well as his final allegiance to the radical left.

What this president says, and what he then does, leads me to not trust him at all.

JACK PIERCE

Charleston

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Harry Potter wrote on Sep 19, 2009 7:36 AM:

" Fox news has done a 180 when it comes to reporting news on the White House. While we had a Republican administration, their focus was on selling the White Houses' ideas, but now that a Democratic administration they focus on how bad the President is. Just look at their news reports and punditry. On their on line news page, they blast the current administration on a daily basis, while hardly even give any credit. I guess that's what the far right sees as fair and balanced, huh? Can anyone with half a brain really claim they give balance reporting? I have no problem with their slanted news, that's their right, MSNBC does the same thing for the left, but at least they don't go under the disingenuous banner of fair and balanced. To claim Fox is fair and balanced is quite humorous.

48 percent of the country did not vote for Obama and those disgruntled folks have found at home at Fox news. This is understandable for people like Jack, who seems to think all the problems stated with the Democratic party, and has a network that focuses on the destruction of the current administration.

I would remind Jack of the condition of the country when Obama was elected. None on the right want to acknowledge that little fact. Obama is merely taking a shovel to the pile of crap he inherited from the Bush administration.

I also find that after reading so many of Jack's race baiting letters, that he would call anyone a racist is quite comical. "

The Question wrote on Sep 19, 2009 8:04 AM:

" Fox News is just a bunch of liars, Jack.
Fox News identified disgraced Republican Gov. Mark Sanford as a Democrat on the day he admitted his extra-hemispheric sexual adventures.
Fox News changed Congressman Mark Foley's party affiliation from Republican to Democratic after it was inescapably confirmed that Foley was sexually soliciting teenage male pages in Congress.
In the fall of 2008, Fox News repeatedly referred to presidential candidate Barack Obama as "Barack Osama."
Fox News presented a graphic showing that the Lincoln-Douglas Debates were between Abraham Lincoln and the black abolitionist Frederick Douglass.
Rewriting history on Aug. 6, 2008, Fox News host Brian Kilmeade denied that Bush ever tried to tie Al Qaeda to Iraq to justify his invasion, flatly stating that Bush "never even said there was a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq." On June 17, 2004, Bush told the press, "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda."
On Aug, 6, 2009, Fox News star Glenn Beck "joked" that he'd like to murder Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi by poisoning her tea, then had the transcript scrubbed to hide his statement.
Fox News pundit Liz Trotta, while discussing the idea of assassinating Osama Bin Laden and Barack Obama, said, "Well ... both, if we could!, " then laughed happily.
Reporting on a Washington 9-12 rally he promoted in 2009, Glenn Beck rejected the crowd estimate of 70,000 offered by city authorities. Instead, he said, an amazing 1.7 MILLION people attended, citing a supposed study by the University of I Dont Remember.
"We had a university, the university, I think it's the University of I don't remember which university it is um, look at the pictures," Beck said.
Fox News displays this open contempt for facts because it is a fascist propaganda machine, and I mean that literally. Fox does not practice journalism. It SUBVERTS journalism. It is the Fourth Estate's Fifth Column.
As Joseph Goebbels observed, "It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is, in fact, a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded to clothe ideas in disguise."
In a world now effectively ruined by the Bush-Republican policies for which the Fox News served as cheerleader, THAT is the mission of Fox "News." They are trying to wipe out our collective memory of the disastrous and criminal Bush presidency, and make us think Obama caused all these horrors, instead of inheriting them. "

Elbert wrote on Sep 19, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Thank you Jack for your fair and balanced opinion. You have reported, Now, I will decide. I do respectfully ask whether you have read HR 3200 or did you rely on your favorite news channel to report the facts for you? I have read the bill and, unfortunately, find it consistent with what Congress has produced for years whether the Democrats or Republicans are in charge. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 19, 2009 10:13 AM:

" Thank you Jack for your letter! It is straight to the point and very very true. Watch out for the loonies!!! Here they come Led by TQ,FB and HP!!! "

just wondering wrote on Sep 19, 2009 10:47 AM:

" I bet the radical lefties in Coles County will be here soon to tell us all the truth. "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 19, 2009 12:01 PM:

" This letter writer is factually wrong in many (perhaps most) of the things he states in his letter. For example, Pravda is now a privately-owned capitalist newspaper. It not only is no longer Communist, it is now distinctly anti-Communist. Furthermore, in some respects it is now a rather conservative newspaper. Perhaps the most outrageous untruth in the letter is the assertion that the "Fairness Doctrine" would have "all conservative viewpoints removed from the airways..." This is totally false. The "Fairness Doctrine" would simply promote a balance of opinion. And it would NOT require equal time. For example, if a radio station had six hours of conservative talk radio each day it would only be required to balance this with, say, a half hour, or maybe an hour, of liberal talk radio. That is the way the doctrine was enforced when it was in affect for 40 or 50 years. In the future, this letter writer needs to clean up his act and be a little more honest and factual. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Thank you Jack for your letter! It is straight to the point and very very true. Watch out for the loonies!!! Here they come Led by TQ,FB and HP!!! "

And watch for the brain dead right wing Fox zombies to come running slobbering all over this piece of error laden ignorant ranting. lol!

I'll bet old seedy missed everyone of Jack's factual errors too, but of course Fox fans are used to lies, so they probably can't tell the difference. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:49 PM:

" Matt Toon, you are factually wrong if you think the new fairness doctrine is going to allow 6 hours of conservative time balanced by half an hour of liberal time. Where did you ever get that information and even if you did who could believe it? The desired effect of the fairness doctrine is to eliminate all sponsership of conserative time thereby elimating nearly all consevative broadcasting and who would oversee this? Let's guess probably a new czarr appointed by do we need to guess who on that one? "

The Question wrote on Sep 19, 2009 6:07 PM:

" When the president lied the nation into the unjustified, immoral quagmire of invading Iraq and let his Wall Street banker pals wreck their world economy with their deregulated "free market" fraud, Pierce supported him wholeheartedly. But now that the president is trying to clean up those titanic messes, and shore up a U.S. health care system being collapsed by corporate greed, Pierce attacks him.
Jack Pierce: always a part of the problem. "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 19, 2009 9:33 PM:

" "It is more and more apparent to me that while Obama might have run under the Democratic label, the radicals which he is surrounding himself with, leave little doubt of his hidden racism, as well as his final allegiance to the radical left."

Obviously Jack has reverted to the Southern Strategy of Dickie Nixon.
No he never quite declared himself a racist, but when he went south and spoke of "restoring law and order" everyone -- black AND WHITE -- knew what he meant. And it was continued with Little Ronnie Reagan. Remember he opened his campaign in Mississippi, in the town where racists had murdered three "freedom riders" and buried them under a dam. So in desperation, Jackie has resurrected the not-yet-forgotten racist Republican strategy of times past, but not forgotten by those of us who resented them.

AND STILL RESENT THEM. "

The Question wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:23 AM:

" There is no Fairness Doctrine, Vanatta, new or otherwise. So rather than waste your time worrying about it, you might use your time more productively by learning to spell simple words like "czar" and "sponsorship" and "conservative." "

Hound Dog wrote on Sep 20, 2009 9:25 AM:

" I enjoy reading most of Potter's posts, and notice he uses the same words a lot like: soreheads, disgruntled, inherited, and disingenuous many times. It is OK he doesn't like Fox, but I wonder why the top 4 or 5 news programs are the most popular, compared to the left stations.
Wonder why our two senators, if you count Burris, and Durbin want to continue funding ACORN, and the 75 or so Democrats in the House? Don't they regognize corruption when it is exposed? Come on, Potter, watch more of the "Fair and Balanced" show more, and you may learn something once in a while. Have a nice day. "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 20, 2009 12:20 PM:

" Jon: Apparently you aren't aware that the Fairness Doctrine was in effect for around 40 years or more. During that period, there were a few occasions when the doctrine had to be enforced by the FCC -- the Federal Communications Commission. It was enforced in the manner that I stated. Equal time was NOT required. All that was required was a small amount of time for the "other side" in order to give some semblance of balance. According to the manner in which it was previously enforced, I am correct in saying that six hours of conservative talk radio would probably have to be balanced by only a half hour (or possibly as much as an hour) of liberal talk -- just enough time so the "other side" could at least be heard. "

lefty wrote on Sep 20, 2009 1:36 PM:

" JACK PIERCE, first, Chavez is a socialist, not a communist. You might want to check your definitions.

Second, while you scorn the radical left for such tactics, where is the criticism of the radical right? Or is it that you are comfortable with them?

Myself, I wish all the crazies weren't able to get access to government to push their perverse "values" down my throat. JACK PIERCE and CEDRIC66 are just as deplorable as those they criticize with not relation to their own ideological counterparts.

What a twisted political world we live in. "

JWT wrote on Sep 20, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Jack,
Thanks for once again demonstraighting the ignorance of the radical right wing. "

JWT wrote on Sep 20, 2009 7:15 PM:

" Democrats want to replace the Fairness Doctrin to help "follow the heard" types like you.
Give you a chance to pull your nose out of the but in front of you and think for yourself.
You right wingers talk like you're going to start a revolution or something? Good luck formulating your plan. "

what wrote on Sep 20, 2009 11:11 PM:

" There is no truth, there are no lies, there's only people. "

Locke wrote on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 AM:

" Jack, do you ever shut up? "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 21, 2009 6:03 AM:

" It is interesting that the Times Courier used Jon V's post in the paper edition even though they surely had to know that what he said was flat-out false! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 21, 2009 6:32 AM:

" Oh, but I do watch Fox news on a regular basis, Hound Dog. Let me try to help you out with your question. It's actually pretty simple. As I've said before almost half of the voters in this country didn't vote for our current president, and FOX gives them a place to hear ranting and raving about how awful he is. Besides that, I enjoy catching their errors, lies and distortions such as the one I pointed out yesterday where they grossly misstated the number of so called czars Bush had in his two terms. Fox news like Rush Limbaugh makes for great entertainment too. Perhaps you've missed some the the questions comments too. He has done a great job in pointing out their regular lies and distortions. But I realize that most of you righties actually think they are fair and balanced. I have yet to see anyone refute any of TQ's statements or mine for that matter on their lies. The next time either one of us point out any of their gross lies, you might try to refute them. And hey, what better way to describe the right these days than being disgruntled and a bunch of soreheads? Your side lost and are acting bunch of little kids, and I'm enjoying watching the hysterical ranting and raving by the right wingers, especially the good folks at Fox as well as the comical birthers and those death panelists like the wacky Sarah Palin. "

TheInformed! wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:00 AM:

" HP you are right. I am a right wing nut job and I am upset about the last elections and how we are moving away from liberty and heading to tyranny. What upsets me is that during the Bush era I did not see the left sitting quietly on the side. I remember rampant marches and protests and Bush being talked back to during his addresses to congress. Now that there is new leadership the minority is suppose to sit quietly and worship at the altar of big government. 2010 will be a fun year. "

father bob wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:05 AM:

" pierce once again shows his unwavering allegiance to greed. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Sep 21, 2009 10:00 AM:

" Matt Toon, You seem to be saying we really don't need the fairness doctrine anyway and I agree. As for Fox News without the FD have more than a half hour out of six of the liberal view. They have regular consultants and staff with a liberal view for instance Alan Colmes, Marc Lamont Hill, Bob Beckel, just to name a few and even Geraldo is to liberal for me. Then they bring the radical lefties in all the time and let them spout off, that is if they have the nerve to appear.
What other network is that fair and balanced?
Even Obama now refuses to come on Fox he knows he will be asked question he does not want to answer, questions the other networks should be asking but he knows they won't ask.
And by the way I wonder if Charlie Gibson has heard about ACORN yet? What ACORN scandle? "

father bob wrote on Sep 21, 2009 10:49 AM:

" gee jack, when did they come and take away all your belongings and wealth? how many meals have you missed? how many hours do you stand in line at the grocery waiting for a loaf of bread? when did you lose your vehicles? when weren't you able to buy gasoline? when haven't you been able use a telephone? when was your travel restricted? when was your mail censored? these dirty rotten communist bast***s!!

....when will you admit yourself for counseling? "

father bob wrote on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM:

" hey jack.....just to clarify. obama supporters didn't blindly support HR3200. HR3200 is one of 5 bills that are on either floor of congress. none of these bills will be a final product, there will be a final composite somewhere down the line that will probably include portions from all 5 or one of the 5 being amended to include portions of the other 4. most sane people who have control of their faculties realize this. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 21, 2009 11:58 AM:

" POLL: OH MY! OPPOSITION TO BIG GOVERNMENT GROWING RAPIDLY

GALLUP (Sept 21 2009) New Gallup data show that 57% of Americans say the government is trying to do too many things that should be left to businesses and individuals, and 45% say there is too much government regulation of business. Both reflect the highest such readings in more than a decade.
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Now THAT'S Change We Can Believe In!

The Democrats clearly misread their so called "mandate" in the last election and they are h*ll-bent on pushing their radical Left-Wing agenda down the collective throat of America.

Keep it up you delusional Left-Wing ObamaDrones. Keep insulting the growing number of Americans who are rejecting your politics. Keep on Race-Baiting. Keep on spewing your partisan hate. Keep adding to your upcoming electoral bloodbaths. Keep greasing the skids of your Party's demise. I for one, am enjoying this immensly.

;-) "

Hound Dog wrote on Sep 21, 2009 12:16 PM:

" Harry Potter, I just added two more of your favorites to the list: ranting and raving. Just having some fun with you.
Life is too short not to have a little fun with differing opinions.
With hundreds of Obama's assistants keeping track of ACORN, FOX, and all the opposition to "somebody's" health plans, he sure acted like he didn't know much about the ACORN corruption. True there are bigger things for Obama to worry about, so let's just freeze government money to ACORN until they are fully investigated. Sounds fair to me. After all, they are receiving your and my tax money for their dirty deeds. What do you say? "

Becky wrote on Sep 21, 2009 1:06 PM:

" http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html

"During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akres claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so."

Here's your FOX news that only reports the truth. They admitted lying on a news story, fired the journalists who refused to change the truth to fit Monsanto's agenda and had set a new "standard" for news everywhere. They lied to you and I. They lie all the time. The only difference is, I do care what the truth is. Even if it means some of my "beliefs" get hit with the truth and I have to change them. "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 21, 2009 1:47 PM:

" To Jon V: Although the Times Courier apparently likes you, you really need to obtain a strong base of knowledge before you spout off about the various issues of the day. For your information, the Fairness Doctrine would NOT even apply to entities such as Fox News. It would apply only to "over the air" broadcasts, not to cable. "

jrussell wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:14 PM:

" is this...another excuse for Jack to write a letter, you should switch to greeting cards Jack, where is the little boy who cries moron "

Becky wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:17 PM:

" 7x said: "Keep greasing the skids of your Party's demise."

I don't think EITHER party is worth a hill of beans anymore. We need new blood, new ideas, new parties in office. Both parties are corrupt corporate puppets who's votes can be bought with the right price. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:30 PM:

" IS EVERYONE STUPID? I have been screaming till I'm blue in the face. I AM THE RADICAL LEFT jack. Obama is not even D@** close. I am the one for the over throw of this corporate capitalist state. I'm the one tired of the excess and constant back stabbing. Tired of seeing people try to get jobs, can't because companies have to "downsize". Being too greedy to allow a loss of their personal profits. Tell me people besides health care (which for the twentieth time isn't take over there is private and public in this plan) that you people see as socialistic. Because two years ago it was called liberal policies. Also, conservatives listen too me, weren't you the people saying he flipped flopped on issues before the election? So how does this make him a radical? Thank you and good afternoon. "

The Question wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:41 PM:

" How can we be sure you right wingers aren't just a bunch of Muslim extremists who WANT Americans to die at the rate of 45,000 a year because they have no health insurance? Where are your birth certificates? And not those fake ones you have. Your REAL, FOREIGN birth certificates? Where are they? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:45 PM:

" Actually Becky, as things stand now, I mostly agree with you. All the more reason to call for LESS government influence in our daily lives- NOT more. But what makes Obama absolutely insufferable is that he ran on empty rhetoric and meaningless platitudes of "Hope" based on "Change" you could all believe in. And the mindless drones on the Left lapped it up like mother's-milk.

So how's that "Change" working out for you so far? "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 21, 2009 4:00 PM:

" TQ made an excellent point: The conservatives who have opposed a national health plan over the years have killed far, far more U.S. citizens than the terrorists could even dream of slaughtering -- an estimated 45,000 people die each year because they can't afford adequate health care. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 21, 2009 4:28 PM:

" 7x6z9 question for ya. So you say less government in our daily lives. Economically or personal? Because as I see it, the conservatives want more government in our personal lives where as the liberals want more in our economic lives. See its all government control. You want control as long as its protecting "the moral fabric of society". More drug laws, more censorship, more security surveillance, this is what conservatives want. This is the only reason I ally with the liberals is because the economics are somewhat close to my ideal. Yet, I hate this government anyways, and I betcha since Bush and to today I am being watched and monitored for my views. Now come back and talk to me about gov control. "

TheInformed! wrote on Sep 21, 2009 4:35 PM:

" The Question wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:41 PM:

" How can we be sure you right wingers aren't just a bunch of Muslim extremists who WANT Americans to die at the rate of 45,000 a year because they have no health insurance? Where are your birth certificates? And not those fake ones you have. Your REAL, FOREIGN birth certificates? Where are they? "

I am a right winger and I will show you my American Birth Certificate right after Obama shows his. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 21, 2009 5:00 PM:

" Proletariat- The Liberal's "economic" influence IS personal. Using the "public option" as a Trojan-Horse to gradually eradicate private health insurance is the epitome of government control at the expense of individual freedoms. Oh and, Obama voted FOR warrantless wiretapping. In fact, he not only adopted Bush's security measures, he actually expanded some of them. So your imaginary dividing line between the two Party's is .... shall we say.....somewhat blurry. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Sep 21, 2009 7:34 PM:

" Matt Toon, don't you know that as soon as they get control of talk radio they will move on to cable and satellite TV? "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:18 PM:

" I'll bet Jon checks under his bed looking for Liberals before he crawls into it at night. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:58 PM:

" I think it is pretty cool to see "EARS" going on all the stations except for FOX! He knows that they will make him look like a idiot!Just keep him out there in front of the cameras. He is his own worst enemy. He insults everyone. People are going to get fed up with his arrogance and stupidy. Most allready have. Well maybe not all. You still have FB(the racist)TQ(the dummy) and good old Harry Potter. He's always good for a laugh or two.
I wonder if Obummer would consent to an interview with Glen Beck? Even I would pay to see that. But that will never happen because Beck would show him how stupid he really is!!! "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:49 AM:

" To Harry Potter: I am sure that Jon checks for Liberals under his bed every night. However, even after doing so, he probably still has nightmares about "evil Liberals" most of the night! "

The Question wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:50 AM:

" Obama should never agree to appear on Fox News again. Appearing on Fox News legitimizes it, and it is NOT legitimate. Fox News is a right-wing propaganda operation disguised as a news operation, and can only succeed if it effectively destroys the professional standards of journalism. And to the extent Fox News is legitimized, it succeeds at that destruction.
Far from being "fair and balanced," Fox News intends to destroy Obama, and has said as much. Fox News pundit Liz Trotta even laughingly suggested that he should be assassinated. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:12 AM:

" What's up with Glenn Beck? Yesterday he said Obama makes a better president than McCain would have. Is Beck trolling for a more moderate fan base? Or is he trying to defuse some criticism of the whack jobs he seems to draw? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:17 AM:

" OH MY! CBSNEWS TO OBAMA: LIAR! FIVE HEALTH CARE PROMISES OBAMA WON'T KEEP

CBSNEWS (Sept 21 2009)

1. NO INDIVIDUAL MANDATE- Mr. Obama said during a debate with Clinton on Jan. 31, 2008. "I think we can anticipate that there would also be people potentially who are not covered and are actually hurt if they have a mandate imposed on them."

THE PRESIDENT NOW FULLY SUPPORTS AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE.

2. COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY-
Candidate Obama promised that health care deliberations with Congress and special interests would be transparent to the extreme.

INSTEAD, THE PRESIDENT HAS ANNOUNCED DEALS WITH GROUPS LIKE THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY AND THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AFTER THEY WERE WORKED OUT IN BACKROOM DEALS.

3. ENABLE THE GOVERNMENT TO DIRECTLY NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES- In the Jan. 31, 2008 debate, Mr. Obama said, "If a drug company -- if the drug companies or a member of Congress who's carrying water for the drug companies wants to argue that we should not negotiate for the cheapest available price on drugs, then I want them to make that argument in front of the American people."

"We'll negotiate with the drug companies for the cheapest available price on drugs," Mr. Obama said again in an Oct. 15, 2008 debate with Sen. John McCain

IT TURNS OUT, HOWEVER, MR. OBAMA RENEGED ON THIS PROMISE IN A SECRETIVE WAY. THE WHITE HOUSE MADE SOME PREVIOUSLY UNDISCLOSED DEALS TO GET THE (PHARMA) INDUSTRY TO STAY AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE.

4. ALLOW DRUG IMPORTATION- During the campaign, Mr. Obama said his plan would "Allow consumers to import safe drugs from other countries" because "some companies are exploiting Americans by dramatically overcharging U.S. consumers."

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SECRETLY CONCEDED TO FORGO THE IMPORTATION OF CHEAPER DRUGS IN ITS DEAL WITH THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY.

5. LOWER PREMIUMS BY $2,500 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR- Mr. Obama said in his Oct. 15, 2008 debate against McCain. "The only thing we're going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family's premium by about $2,500 per year."

MR. OBAMA WAS NOT BEING COMPLETELY FORTHRIGHT ABOUT WHAT HE MEANT. HIS ADMINISTRATION NEVER EXPECTED FAMILIES TO SEE SAVINGS OF $2,500 IN PREMIUMS; INSTEAD, HIS ADVISERS CALCULATED THE TOTAL COST SAVINGS FOR BOTH INDIVIDUALS AND THE GOVERNMENT. IT MAY BE YEARS OR DECADES BEFORE ANY OVERALL SAVINGS FROM MR. OBAMA'S PLAN MATERIALIZE -- IF THEY DO AT ALL

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Tell me Left-Wingers- Uhm, is this "Change" you can believe in?

Is CBSNEWS Racist for calling Obama out on his lies?

Should CBSNEWS offer a formal apology?

Is CBSNEWS working for the big eeeeevil Conservative empire of FOXNEWS?

Is CBSNEWS a bunch of Racist-Redneck Teabagging Un-American Gun-carrying Terrorists?

This Conservative wants to know...... "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:19 AM:

" HP: He is trying to assure his radical base that he won't tolerate even a HINT of moderation (in this case McCain) "

father bob wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:12 AM:
" What's up with Glenn Beck? Yesterday he said Obama makes a better president than McCain would have. Is Beck trolling for a more moderate fan base? Or is he trying to defuse some criticism of the whack jobs he seems to draw? """""

goes along with Bill-o saying he was in support of a public option...i think ayers is getting a boatload of heat, and really hates the pressure from sponsors. after all....money talks, and rupert will stay true to his fanatical convictions (just as long as money is to be made). "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 22, 2009 11:35 AM:

" Fox's Sean Hannity makes daily derogatory remarks about Senator Robert Byrd. He refers to him as KKK Byrd, even though Byrd has apologised and dissociated himself with that group over half a century ago. I find it ironic that Hannity has mentioned that Harry Truman is one of his political heroes. So I guess Hannity is unaware that like Byrd, Truman was a member of the KKK as a young man too. In the south, back in the thirties and forties, clan membership was a prerequisite for young businessman to be successful. Hannity needs to read a history book or two. "

exbricklayer wrote on Sep 22, 2009 11:39 AM:

" As opposed to the "Radical Right"??? "

Danny Boy wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:17 PM:

" I think we 2 chances of passing a Health Care bill for everyone.

Slim and None.

And Slim left town !! "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:26 PM:

" 7X6Z9, I'll address your remarkable thesis which basically asserts Democrats are the only party which act like politicians.

"Is CBSNEWS Racist for calling Obama out on his lies?"
No. No one mentioned race here. Why are you? Weird. It's as if you're obsessed.

"Should CBSNEWS offer a formal apology?"
No. They are reporting factual evidence. Those of us who aren't Republicans don't follow a particular media organization, lockstep (*cough* foxnews *cough*).

"Is CBSNEWS working for the big eeeeevil Conservative empire of FOXNEWS?"
Uh, no. CBS is reporting on actual analysis, not racist propaganda.

"Is CBSNEWS a bunch of Racist-Redneck Teabagging Un-American Gun-carrying Terrorists?"
What's with you and race and ethnicity? You're very concerned with it, I can tell.

"This Conservative wants to know......"
No, you are a Republican. You are not a conservative. Let me rephrase...

"This Republican who has a fetish for infusing race, wants to know......"
There we go! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM:

" Recession (Unofficially) Over

The determination of when a recession ends is made by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER). Although I don't believe NBER formally discloses how it makes its decision, it is widely believed that it uses four key indicators: industrial production, retail sales, employment, and real income. Industrial production and retail sales are both positive, and real incomes barely turned positive last month and are likely to be even more positive this month. Employment is still down, and we probably have two or three months before the economy manages to eke out a few job gains.

But with three of the four indicators positive and the fourth one making progress, my guess is that the NBER will declare the recession over as of June or July. The NBER takes a while before officially declaring the end of recessions, because it fears a second down-leg in the economy. It was almost a year after the end of the last recession before the NBER officially declared it over.
Bob Johnson/Economic analyst

This won't go over too well with the Obama bashers, who would rather see the economy fail than to give Obama any credit. If Obama is the reason the economy failed, as they contend, then it stands to reason that when it recovers he should get the credit. Does anyone think the naysayers will be willing to do that? lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 2:18 PM:

" So Harry, *cough* I mean "lefty", you agree with the facts?

So you acknowledge that OBAMA LIED- huh.

So you acknowledge that people who oppose Obama are not necessarily "Racists" as you Race-Baiting Left-Wing Nut-Jobs love to assert- eh.

Well then "lefty"- let's hear you admit that Obama has been telling lies about ObamaCare. "

Danny Boy wrote on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM:

" Excluding Energy (Gas) (Electric),and Food, inflation is near zero.

That is great, if you do not use energy, or Food!!.....

I guess if I don't drive to the supermarket...I'm ok !! "

father bob wrote on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM:

" lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:26 PM:
""This Republican who has a fetish for infusing race, wants to know......"
There we go! """"""

Doh...er....7X is one of the good ol' boys who bring up race at every turn yet when they get called on it, suddenly they're being victimized.

hang on lefty, you're surely going to get chided by the JG-TC Klan... "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM:

" OMG 7X6Z9, I swear you must be salivating behind your monitor, short of breath hoping for me to say "OBAMA LIES!"

Being that I am a non-voter, non-Republican, I could give a crap about the partisan makeup. What I despise most is this idiocy by the right whereby they act as if their representative figures are morally superior or intellectually consistent.

Well guess what wing-nut, yes, Obama lies. He is a politician. They all lie.

Seriously, are you that stupid to think that ANY of these political types are above the fray?

I think you are. Your mind has been so warped by the unintelligible ramblings of political pundits that you wouldn't have a clue if up was down.

And yes. I also post on here under 500 other user names. You got me. But you also prove that you're just as paranoid as Orley Taitz and the Lyndon LaRouche types. Congratulations. Clearly you have exhibited your superiority. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:02 PM:

" The Recession is (Unofficially) over Harry? Really?

So with unemployment at almost 10% I guess those people who lost their jobs are (Unofficially) employed huh.

That must be what Obama means when he claims that he "saved" and or "created" 100 bijillion-gazillion-quadrillion jobs, I suppose. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:20 PM:

" Der Fuhrer wants absolute authority and power; like Hitler, he will use race to achieve it. The Democrat Socialist Peoples Party will do whatever it can to see that it stays in power for the next hundred years. They don't see the danger; the ends justify the means. This is why most socialist movements are susceptible to a totalitarian leader. The thugs at SEUI and ACORN will play the race card to achieve their Communist goals and to motivate their brainwashed members to support der Fuhrer. Race is nothing more than a diversion to hide what they are really trying to do. By the time the Sheeple become aware it is too late; they are slaves. "

father bob wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:38 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:20 PM:
"By the time the Sheeple become aware it is too late; they are slaves. """""

so....do you want to wear chrome chains or would the hardened steel variety work? "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:42 PM:

" CEDRIC66, if I were to ask you to give me a detailed history of ACORN and SEIU, I bet I could match it up content for content against the talking points distributed by Fox, Beck, and Malkin.

You have no respect for balance, nor do you even care to understand what these organizations do. Now, if you acknowledge that, then cool. But my hunch is that you will claim to be a reasonable, rational person. When clearly you are just another conspiracy nut who, in order to make himself feel more human for marching in lockstep with corporate propaganda, dismisses opposition as Hitler loving brown shirts.

You have no respect for historical accuracy, nor for opposition voices. For you it's all or nothing. If others disagree with you, then THEY must be crazy. You exhibit no desire to test whether or not your assumptions may be inaccurate. You place the same type of faith in these political symbols as you do in your religious ones. Both are creations of man, which means they are fallible.

The sheer fact that despite that you still prattle on as if you have some higher understanding of how the world goes 'round blows my mind. I wouldn't be shocked if you were some local Republican official typing under a pseudonym, you are THAT level of crazy and irrational. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM:

" Hey uhm "lefty"? Calm down missy.

When you get around to drying your eyes and changing your diaper- and finally settling down; maybe you can put on your big-girl underwear and answer my simple (yet specific) challenge. M-kay?

Here it is again: Do you admit that Obama has been telling lies about ObamaCare? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:09 PM:

" lefty- "What I despise most is this idiocy by the right whereby they act as if their representative figures are morally superior or intellectually consistent."
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Oh really "lefty"?

And how exactly, does the blatant dishonesty of Obama (Mr "Hope-n-Change-y") square with your outrageous outrage, so far?

After all, Mr "Hope-n-Change-y" stumped on the morally superior premise of "Change you can believe in!" coupled with his supposed intellectual consistency didn't he lefty? Well yes. Yes he did.

And the drones on the Left chanted this meme like mindless zombies at a Nuremberg Rally didn't they? Well yes. Yes they did.

So uhm....where is your outrage towards the Left, lefty? "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM:

" 7X6Z9, well, you confirmed that not only are you obsessed with race, but also obsessed with sexism.

And to answer your question, you should read my entire post in its entirety. I am confident that despite your reliance on moving picture on the tee-vee, you still have the capacity to read and think critically.

Your obsession with getting someone, ANYONE to say the words "Obama lied about healthcare" is a bit OCD. I'm sure there's a corner in your parents basement there you can carry on this conversation with.

The corner can serve as your intellectual equal. And it won't talk back.

Enjoy. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:06 PM:

" Oh but lefty, I *did* read "your entire meltdown in its entirety" as you so eloquently (and redundantly) put it.

But uhm, you never addressed your obvious hypocrisy that I so graciously pointed out to you.

And you admit that CBSNEWS was right to point out Obama's blatant dishonesty- and yet..... you just can't bring yourself to say it can you?

In fact, you seemed to be obsessed with avoiding that specific admission altogether.

Now why is that lefty? "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:07 PM:

" Cool down there Lefty!!
Let me ask you one thing.
Do you always get a tingle run down your leg at the mention of "EAR'S" name? You and FB are the lefty twins. Spew all you want,but remember 2010 is just around the corner!!! "

Danny Boy wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM:

" You folks realize that nobody listens to you, it's just point-counter point debate......it's fun...but it's .....all ...B.S.

You do, realize that?, don't you?

Nothing will ever change .ever..
forever...But you feel good venting....good for you....Most of you will never leave the county.

and you know that most of you will die in Mattoon, or coles county, without ever doing anything but complain!!...

Man what a waste of life!! "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:50 PM:

" Well now there's a more substantive question from the grade school dunce, 7X6Z9.

This administration is not left. The people that are his passionate supporters are Democrats, they are partisans. They are not mobilized so much by left-wing ideology as party politics.

See, what you Republicans don't get is that there are two large blocs of people who are left of center in the USA. One group is strictly partisan Democrat. The other is activist centric. The activists want badly for Obama to be a leftist, but he ain't: he is a moderate (when you are left of GW Bush and Glenn Beck, it ain't hard to look radical).

I am outraged that he isn't left enough and that he coddles the right far too often. You make statements like

"After all, Mr "Hope-n-Change-y" stumped on the morally superior premise of "Change you can believe in!""

That's not moral superiority. That is an expression of intention, that he would remain intellectually consistent.

I am not seeing a proclamation of moral superiority, BUT you are correct in pointing out his failed promises of intellectual consistency (I doubt you would acknowledge any of points to be reasoned, another character flaw of those on the Republican right).

You also stated "And the drones on the Left chanted this meme like mindless zombies at a Nuremberg Rally didn't they? Well yes. Yes they did."

No, they didn't. Those were Democrats, not the entire American left.

It may be hard for you to understand, but democracy does not occur solely with the ballot box.

Now the reason why I am not as outspoken toward the Democratic party's base is simple: they are not nearly as ridden with hate, threatening violence, or as racist. You may choose not to acknowledge this, that's fine, but it is to the peril of your own party.

The nation is trending widely toward social acceptance. The trends are against racism, sexism, homophobia (there's even growing support for gay MARRIAGE). But the Michelle Malkins of the world want racial profiling of Arabs. Writers of World Net Daily post articles about Michele Obamas voodoo rituals. And prominent spokespersons for Republicans are comparing homosexuality to mental disorders.

The left has many flaws (especially the reliance on the state for economic fairness, which I opposed to clarify). But they do not express hate or opposition to people merely for existence.

THAT is why I express outrage against the modern day right wing. Whatever happened to the Barry Goldwaters of the world? They are replaced now with people who on one hand expanded government and corporate authoritarianism, the military state, and foreign conflicts, but on the other hand make inaccurate comparisons of advocates of economic justice to Nazis.

The Republican right is fascist at its core, wishing to fuse corporate and government power while pushing their moral agenda upon the masses. At this point, the ineffective Democrats are more likely to leave me alone at home, which is another reason I don't focus my indignation in their direction either.

So I would suggest before you make a childish and historically inaccurate comparison to the Nazis, you might do a little bit more critical analysis. The reality is I expect you to not listen to anything I say and instead call me a race-baiting brown shirt. Because that is the state of your right wing Republican party. "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:54 PM:

" OCD much 7X6Z9?

"And you admit that CBSNEWS was right to point out Obama's blatant dishonesty- and yet..... you just can't bring yourself to say it can you?

Now why is that lefty?"

Because it is a petty line of thinking that presumes I am an Obama supporter and someone who hates media outlets that are critical of Obama.

CBS News is doing it's job. I think you believe that means you win. My hunch is you don't have a happy home life if you think this gives you a sense of accomplishment.

Congratulations, you are a partisan. I'll get you a cookie. "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 5:55 PM:

" DANNY BOY... ya, you're totally right. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 6:14 PM:

" And uhm... what exactly brought *you* to this wasteful wretched site Danny Boy? "

~STRANGER~ wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:00 PM:

" HIP HIP HER-RAY FOR DANNY BOY.That post made more sense than anything else I have read on this thread.
Sept 22 @ 5:25 pm "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:34 PM:

" Looks like Doh...I mean 7X needs to make a trip to Walmart and buy a couple of cans of Gold Bond powder. Ouch! "

what wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:46 PM:

" Yes, we're all doing quite well I suppose, we're just a bunch of ungrateful b@s$a*ds. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 22, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Time for the daily Hannity lie detector reading. This times it's over the UN. Hannity claims the US pays the bulk of the cost to run that organization, while the actual number is between 22 an 25 percent. Poor Sean never lets facts get in the way of his non stop blather on Fox news. Or perhaps Sean's not too good with math. lol! "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:18 PM:

" Good lord 7X6Z9, do you indignant at everything?! DANNY BOY was pointing out how posting on this site is basically for losers. I'm a loser.

Since you post WAY more than me, no doubt, you are a much bigger loser.

The right wing is sooo sensitive. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:34 PM:

" Ah well, Harry- er, I mean "lefty", if frequency of posting is your measured standard of "loser", then *cough* Harry Potter surpasses both of us- eh. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:41 PM:

" Thanks for tipping your hand to yet another of your "secret" identities Harry. But really, I don't think you were fooling anyone my friend. You've been uhm ...... hitting the Heineken again tonight, haven't you Harry. Yep. You have. "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:01 PM:

" Right 7X6Z9, when you can't retort, you revert to paranoia. From an earlier posting....

"And yes. I also post on here under 500 other user names. You got me. But you also prove that you're just as paranoid as Orley Taitz and the Lyndon LaRouche types. Congratulations. Clearly you have exhibited your superiority."

I'll go get your tin foil hat, and the instructions for making your own panic room to protect you from Obama's FEMA Nazis.... oops! Caught me.... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:04 PM:

" NBC POLL: SHOCK! FOR THE FIRST TIME MORE INDEPENDENTS DISAPPROVE OF OBAMA THAN APPROVE!

For the first time, independent voters who delivered Mr. Obama the White House and Democrats control of Congress -- disapprove of the job he is doing, by 46% compared with the 41% who approve. In July, 49% of independents approved of the president, against 38% who disapproved.
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Oh my! An eight-point swing in just two months. This is not the centrist "pragmatist" they thought they knew.

Look out folks- Harry, er I mean "lefty" is about to go into another full-blown melt-down little girl knicker-twister over this glorious news.

And gee- it's from NBC...and everything. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:11 PM:

" Gee "lefty", you still can't openly admit that Obama has been telling lies about his ObamaCare even though you fully admit the CBSNEWS article on all of his broken promises is factual eh.

And you think you're normal huh.

Go ahead "lefty"- say it: "Obama has been lying about ObamaCare."

It's the only way you're ever going to recover from your delusional messianic worship of Barry. "

what wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:46 PM:

" There is a helix, maybe, it revolves in time and space or maybe it is time and space, it creates things, maybe it creates everything, maybe nothing, but they say we're a product of a helix, enough so to strap one down and administer a lethal dose of drugs to anyway, time and space are oblivious to all this of course, cold as ice, hot as hades, it only revolves and spawns things, absorbing nothing, why are we aware of our mortality, why can I scribble down this silly nonsense, push a button, and whee there it goes. "

lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:52 PM:

" 7X6Z9, y'know, it's clear you're only going to hear what you want to hear. It truly is pointless having a conversation with you. Hope the voices in your head keep ya company. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:25 PM:

" No "lefty". I read exactly what you write. And so far you have yet to correct your hypocritical contradiction of acknowledging the factual analysis that Obama has been lying about ObamaCare- and your inexplicable refusal to specifically place the blame squarely on him.

Now why is that "lefty"? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:42 PM:

" My isn't it interesting; I post a CBSNEWS analysis of Obama's undeniable lies about ObamaCare and viola! All of a sudden- posts begin to appear noting the futility of this thread, the pointlessness to the comments, and the sudden c'est la vie to all things politic.

My my my. You ObamaDrones are getting desperate these days. The next three years are going to be excruciatingly long for you zombies.

Heh "

Becky wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:05 AM:

" "Actually Becky, as things stand now, I mostly agree with you. All the more reason to call for LESS government influence in our daily lives- NOT more"

That's why I backed Ron Paul last election. That's why I'll back his agenda next election. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:06 AM:

" Let's recap "Lefty's" meltdown shall we.

First I posted this:

OH MY! CBSNEWS TO OBAMA: LIAR! FIVE HEALTH CARE PROMISES OBAMA WON'T KEEP

CBSNEWS (Sept 21 2009)

1. NO INDIVIDUAL MANDATE- Mr. Obama said during a debate with Clinton on Jan. 31, 2008. "I think we can anticipate that there would also be people potentially who are not covered and are actually hurt if they have a mandate imposed on them."

THE PRESIDENT NOW FULLY SUPPORTS AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE.

2. COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY-
Candidate Obama promised that health care deliberations with Congress and special interests would be transparent to the extreme.

INSTEAD, THE PRESIDENT HAS ANNOUNCED DEALS WITH GROUPS LIKE THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY AND THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AFTER THEY WERE WORKED OUT IN BACKROOM DEALS.

3. ENABLE THE GOVERNMENT TO DIRECTLY NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES- In the Jan. 31, 2008 debate, Mr. Obama said, "If a drug company -- if the drug companies or a member of Congress who's carrying water for the drug companies wants to argue that we should not negotiate for the cheapest available price on drugs, then I want them to make that argument in front of the American people."

"We'll negotiate with the drug companies for the cheapest available price on drugs," Mr. Obama said again in an Oct. 15, 2008 debate with Sen. John McCain

IT TURNS OUT, HOWEVER, MR. OBAMA RENEGED ON THIS PROMISE IN A SECRETIVE WAY. THE WHITE HOUSE MADE SOME PREVIOUSLY UNDISCLOSED DEALS TO GET THE (PHARMA) INDUSTRY TO STAY AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE.

4. ALLOW DRUG IMPORTATION- During the campaign, Mr. Obama said his plan would "Allow consumers to import safe drugs from other countries" because "some companies are exploiting Americans by dramatically overcharging U.S. consumers."

THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SECRETLY CONCEDED TO FORGO THE IMPORTATION OF CHEAPER DRUGS IN ITS DEAL WITH THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY.

5. LOWER PREMIUMS BY $2,500 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR- Mr. Obama said in his Oct. 15, 2008 debate against McCain. "The only thing we're going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family's premium by about $2,500 per year."

MR. OBAMA WAS NOT BEING COMPLETELY FORTHRIGHT ABOUT WHAT HE MEANT. HIS ADMINISTRATION NEVER EXPECTED FAMILIES TO SEE SAVINGS OF $2,500 IN PREMIUMS; INSTEAD, HIS ADVISERS CALCULATED THE TOTAL COST SAVINGS FOR BOTH INDIVIDUALS AND THE GOVERNMENT. IT MAY BE YEARS OR DECADES BEFORE ANY OVERALL SAVINGS FROM MR. OBAMA'S PLAN MATERIALIZE -- IF THEY DO AT ALL
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Now then, "Lefty" agreed that the CBSNEWS analysis of Obama's lies on ObamaCare was indeed factual.

He also admitted that "yes, Obama lies." But hey, what's the big deal? After all "He is a politician. They all lie." Let's give Barry a pass as he lies and distorts his way to radically changing this country. Mkay? Swell.

BUT- for some strange and inexplicable reason "Lefty" refused to specifically admit that Obama has been telling lies about ObamaCare. And in his refusal to make that complete and exacting statement he blows on and on with his personal interpretations of what is and isn't "left leaning" in the Democrat Party, the definition of Obama's moral superiority, democracy, Republican fascism, racism, sexism, homophobia, Michelle Malkin, World Net Daily, racial profiling of Arabs, Michele Obamas voodoo rituals, economic fairness, Barry Goldwater, corporate authoritarianism, the military state, foreign conflicts, economic justice, and on and on. Given time I'm sure he he would have covered what the meaning of the word "is" is. *yawn*

But still, after all of that boring tripe, after all of that spin, after throwing every thing against the proverbial wall; he flat-out refused to actually state that Obama has been lying about ObamaCare.

But he's no ObamaDrone, mind you! Oh heavens no! Never. He simply thinks that the Republicans are evil meanies, and based on that premise, he will NOT fully admit that ObamaCare (Obama's key issue and a long held partisan wet-dream of the Democrats) is based on a pack of lies and distortions. No Never! You see- it's not about Obama's lies. Nope. It's about those evil fascist Republican meanies.

Now quick everyone! Look over there! Pay no attention to Barry's lies! ObamaCare is great! "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:08 AM:

" The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that 51 percent of Americans support Obama and 41 percent oppose him. In my opinion, that is quite impressive, given the frenetic attacks against Obama, claiming that he is a Communist, a socialist, a Marxist, a foreigner, unAmerican, and the list goes on and on. It just goes to show that a lot of Americans (probably a majority) refuse to fall for the crap and the hyperbole thrown out there by many ultraconservatives. "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:23 AM:

" rush, sean and glenn.... american icons and leaders of the republican rightwing.

interesting these idols and leaders of the conservatives have a total of three years of college between them.

these uneducated morons also have something else in common. drug and alcohol abuse, manic depression and self avowed racism.

hey mattoon-charleston! bring THESE winners in to talk to your school children! "

lefty wrote on Sep 23, 2009 10:58 AM:

" Awwww 7X6Z9, I think your daddy must have left home when you were a child and you need a hug. I hope at 40, you're still enjoying living in your mom's basement. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 12:00 PM:

" Tsk tsk tsk poor Lefty. Your inner ObamaDrone just won't permit you to openly admit that Barry Hussein has been telling lies about ObamaCare will it champ. No it certainly won't.

But at least you're revealing some personal issues with your obvious "projecting". That's at least a step in the right direction on your long road to recovery my friend.

It's so sad really. "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 12:02 PM:

" lefty wrote on Sep 23, 2009 10:58 AM:
" Awwww 7X6Z9, I think your daddy must have left home when you were a child and you need a hug. I hope at 40, you're still enjoying living in your mom's basement. """"""

7X is best when no one's playing along with her. she pouts and runs off for a few weeks of rehab. she's done the exact same thing, over and over, since her meltdown as Doh... i personally ignore and pass over her posts as the rants never change and her challenges become more inane each day. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 12:10 PM:

" " The latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that 51 percent of Americans support Obama and 41 percent oppose him. In my opinion, that is quite impressive, "
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*psssst* hey matt toon?

don't tell anyone, but the sample for that poll (by the way) was: 41 percent democrat and just 29 percent republican (if leaners are included).

now *shhhhhhhh* keep that under your hat.

oh and- matt toon? maybe you should have lefty spiral into another one of his verbal-diarrheic meltdowns on the subtle definitions of democrat and republican in that poll. that should be fun. "

BW wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:03 PM:

" So, fb, you say that if a person doesn't have a college education they're an uneducated moron. What an elitist snob you are, fb. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM:

" interesting these idols and leaders of the conservatives have a total of three years of college between them.

these uneducated morons also have something else in common. drug and alcohol abuse, manic depression and self avowed racism.

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Well thank you Father Bob for your non-judicious pejorative concerning these three conservatives.

And since you're such "the authority" on success, and our resident "Einstein", be sure to enlighten people like Bill Gates and Paul Allen (college drop-outs), Richard Branson (founder of Virgin Atlantic Airways and HS drop-out), Dave Thomas (founder of Wendy's and a HS drop-out), Micheal Dell (founder of Dell computers and a college drop out), Larry Ellison (founder of Oracle and college drop-out), Steve Jobs (only a HS graduate), and Kirk Kerkorian (entrepreneur and only an 8th grade education) know how much of a "loser" they are...

But tell me FB, how much college do you have under your belt, Einstein?

Oh that's right... you're a double naught spy working for a defense contractor...earning a living on the government dole-out...so never mind...

As for "drug and alcohol abuse, manic depression and self avowed racism"...it sounds to me they'd fit in equally as well being democrats...

...and boy, if they killed someone... and got off scot-free...they could be a Kennedy... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 2:07 PM:

" " Time for the daily Hannity lie detector reading. This times it's over the UN. Hannity claims the US pays the bulk of the cost to run that organization, while the actual number is between 22 an 25 percent. Poor Sean never lets facts get in the way of his non stop blather on Fox news. Or perhaps Sean's not too good with math. lol! "
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WOW! See folks this is what I love about "know-it-all" liberals.

They scratch the surface of an issue of a problem, get a little bit of info and then spout off how how "smart" they think they are, and how their abstract answers to problems, without any details to the problem-solving process, are the panaceas for everything in the world.

AND YOU WERE AN "EDUCATOR", eh? Harry?

AND NOW MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR FACTS..."Einstein"...

1) Percentage of dues required from countries does not equate to funds actual paid to the UN.

(Dues Required does not equal Dues Paid)

2) The 22% dues are based upon GDP.

The US has the highest GDP in the world...so guess whose 'sposed ta pay the most...?

3) ANNUALLY, out of about 186 member countries, SOMEWHERE AROUND 1/2 of MEMBER COUNTRIES DON'T PAY THEIR DUES.

SO YES, HP, THE US DOES PROVIDE FOR A BULK OF THE FINANCING OF THE UN!

But don't believe me...

Go check globalpolicy.org and the UN's numbers at http://www.un.org/unrwa/finances/cont-dec02.html. "

Danny Boy wrote on Sep 23, 2009 2:58 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 6:14 PM:
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" And uhm... what exactly brought *you* to this wasteful wretched site Danny Boy? "
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Well,...I used to live in Mattoon, but I got the heck out when I had the chance, but I have family that still live there, and pay those high property taxes.
So I just check in from time to time, to see all the bickering.....It's the same here where I live too,just different folks.

But I've noticed that alot of people think the world begins and ends at the Coles County line, there is a big world out there folks......check it out if you can. "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:29 PM:

" BW wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:03 PM:
" So, fb, you say that if a person doesn't have a college education they're an uneducated moron. What an elitist snob you are, fb. """""

LMAO!!!....hit a nerve there sonny? sometimes the truth hurts, and if you wish to be led down the peapatch by an uneducated bunch of derelict dropout drug users, be my guest. you know "birds of a feather"...hehehehehe. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:45 PM:

" CBO TO OBAMA: HEY BARRY- MEDICARE CUTS *DO* MEAN BENEFIT CUTS CHAMP.

AP (Sept 22 2009) Congress' chief budget officer on Tuesday contradicted President Barack Obama's oft-stated claim that seniors wouldn't see their Medicare benefits cut under a health care overhaul.

The head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, told senators that seniors in Medicare's managed care plans could see reduced benefits under a bill in the Finance Committee.

The bill would cut payments to the Medicare Advantage plans by more than $100 billion over 10 years.
Elmendorf said the changes "would reduce the extra benefits that would be made available to beneficiaries through Medicare Advantage plans."
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Uh oh Lefty! Barry Hussein "The Moderate" is telling ObamaCare lies again.

I'll bet that CBO is just a pack of fascist Republican meanies h*ll-bent on quashing the rights of the poor down-trodden Lefties of this country.

I'll betchya. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:53 PM:

" Thanks for the reply Danny. And I agree with you- the property taxes in Mattoon are ridiculous. But hey- at least we've got those big new schools that we repeatedly voted against. And now all the children are walking talking Einsteins. "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 3:53 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM:
" interesting these idols and leaders of the conservatives have a total of three years of college between them.

these uneducated morons also have something else in common. drug and alcohol abuse, manic depression and self avowed racism.

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Well thank you Father Bob for your non-judicious pejorative concerning these three conservatives."""""

not a problem Neocorn... just as i said if you wish to be led by these drug addled, uneducated, racist heros, be my guest. other than running their mouths, tell me just exactly what they solutions or alternatives they have offered up? what redeeming social value do they add? "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:20 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM:
"But tell me FB, how much college do you have under your belt, Einstein?""""

i have 6 years and some training in the military. you referred to my "double naught spy" status, you must be mistaking me with 7X or maybe cedric...hehehehe.

i'm just a lowly part time consultant in the optics industry. "

Danny Boy wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:26 PM:

" Folks need to realize that

Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck are Talk Radio Entertainment. Not news.

They are there for ratings and money, just like a T.V. show.

They exaggerate minor opinions, not facts. I hope people can distinguish, that from the truth.....they are there to make money, and ratings...period.

They get there by getting you all riled up. Just like Howard Stern. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:26 PM:

" GALLUP: 80% SATISFIED WITH HEALTH CARE, 61% WITH INSURANCE

GALLUP (Sept 23 2009) Americans are broadly satisfied with the quality of their own medical care and healthcare costs, but of the two, satisfaction with costs lags. Overall, 80% are satisfied with the quality of medical care available to them, including 39% who are very satisfied. Sixty-one percent are satisfied with the cost of their medical care, including 20% who are very satisfied.
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Maybe Democrats need to pay more attention to their constituents. They spent most of the summer avoiding them, castigating them as extremists, and calling them "un-American" for their outrage over their radical agenda to overhaul the US health-care system, but never bothered to listen to their actual concerns.

Don't worry folks- the Democrats will Trojan-Horse their Single-Payer plan in through the Public Option and put an end to that evil private insurance- whether you like it or not. "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:43 PM:

" Correction: My previous post should have said 51 percent and not 61 percent.

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To 7X: You seem to be suggesting that the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll showing Obama with a 51 percent approval rating is bogus, not legitimate, not accurate.
I find it impossible to believe that a prestigious, conservative newspaper like the Wall Street Journal (owned by conservative media baron Rupert Murdock) would sponsor such an illegitimate and less than credible poll. It just couldn't be so! "

Jeremy wrote on Sep 23, 2009 4:47 PM:

" I have browsed the jg-tc online site for quite a while and I just haft to say, this is the most humorous mix of lefties and righties I have ever come across.

I am prepared for the flaming now. YAY! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:16 PM:

" "You seem to be suggesting that the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll showing Obama with a 51 percent approval rating is bogus, not legitimate, not accurate."
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I'm not suggesting anything Matt Toon. I'm stating factual data.

I cited the same poll before you did- and it showed that the majority of Independents are turning against Obama. An 8 point slide in two months in fact.

And on the contrary- I'm surprised you would cite a poll from the evil Right-Wing Fascist Rupert Murdock. "

lefty wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:31 PM:

" 7X6Z9, you didnt read all of DANNY BOY's post.... he recommended you check out the world outside of Mattoon. It couldnt hurt for you to get out of your mom's basement.

Then again it also couldnt hurt for you to read the posts you respond to. "

BW wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:38 PM:

" Well, gee, fb, I may have more education than you. I have a double major and am a CPA. I do recognize BS when I see it and you are the poster boy. "

Jeremy wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:52 PM:

" House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is planning to include in the bill a tax on wealthy Americans, as well as a more robust government-run health insurance plan (or "public option"), abandoning the compromises leaders in a key committee worked out with the moderate Blue Dog Democrats, according to Roll Call.

---If Congressional approval ratings really mattered...

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Volunteering for a candidate? Fairly easy to do. Helping solve some of the toughest issues to face our nation, from health care reform to a deep-seated financial crisis? Not so much. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 23, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Another victim of right wing ranting?

WASHINGTON The FBI is investigating the hanging death of a U.S. Census worker near a Kentucky cemetery, and a law enforcement official told The Associated Press the word 'fed" was scrawled on the dead man's chest.

I seem to recall Fox news pundit Bill O'Reilly ranting and raving about a certain abortion doctor just before some fanatic shot and killed him too.

This time it's nut-bag Michelle Bachman ranting and raving about the census bureau. Was he listening to Bachman?

Those right wingers and Fox news seem to be having success in rousing up the crazies with these types of things, witness the gray headed peasants with their pitchforks at the tea parties. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:19 PM:

" Well Lefty, I have no doubt that you live in a world outside Mattoon. In fact, I'm quite sure you live on your own planet.

Feel free to spew some more senseless drivel, wacky. I like to print it off and line the cat box with it.

It keeps my kitty "regular".

Maybe that's *your* problem, screwy. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Gee Harry- you sound like a "hater".

You Democrats should really push that "gray headed peasants" meme. That's really going to do wonders for your Party's looming bloodbath in the upcoming elections.

That's campaign gold.

Yes. You should repeat that loud and often. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:38 PM:

" MORE HOPE AND CHANGE! MASS LAYOFFS JUMPED ALMOST 25% IN AUGUST

BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS (Sept 23 2009) Employers took 2,690 mass layoff actions in August that resulted in the separation of 259,307 workers, seasonally adjusted, as measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits during the month, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Each action involved at least 50 persons from a single employer. The number of mass layoff events in August increased by 533 from the prior month, and the number of associated initial claims increased by 52,516. Over the year, the number of mass layoff events increased by 803, and associated initial claims increased by 70,356. Year-to-date mass layoff events (21,184) and initial claims (2,162,202) both recorded program highs through August. In August, 900 mass layoff events were reported in the manufacturing sector, seasonally adjusted, resulting in 93,892 initial claims. Over the month, the number of manufacturing events increased by 279, and associated initial claims increased by 21,626.
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But but but Harry Potter told us (just yesterday) that the Recession was "Unofficially" over!

Until the unemployment numbers hit for August, the Obama administration had insisted that they had turned the corner on job losses. Even afterward, they still claimed to expect that the labor market had stabilized. This shows just the opposite. Larger employers have accelerated layoffs, and that will have secondary impacts on local economies, forcing smaller employers to shed jobs as business declines. Manufacturing losses mean less goods to push through the distribution chain.

CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:01 PM:

" military training...that's code word for... 4F...and couldn't make it in colleg..hahaha

"i'm just a lowly part time consultant in the optics industry"....so on a part-time basis you wear safety glasses and let military guys shoot at ya...got it..hahaha "

father bob wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:24 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:01 PM:

" military training...that's code word for... 4F...and couldn't make it in colleg..hahaha

"i'm just a lowly part time consultant in the optics industry"....so on a part-time basis you wear safety glasses and let military guys shoot at ya...got it..hahaha """"""

just reposting this so you can see it when you sober up.... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 8:25 PM:

" other than running their mouths, tell me just exactly what they solutions or alternatives they have offered up? what redeeming social value do they add? "
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The funny thing is Cannon-Fodder Bob... the republicans are doing exactly what they should be doing...not saying a single word...obstructing you socialist demoocrats at every turn...forcing your democrat mob-thugs in congress (put into power through the thuggery efforts of the AFL-CIO, SEIU, and ACORN) to show how much of socialists you truly are running the country into the ground, taking over companies and banks, while killing the free-market, bankrupting the economy with multi-trillion dollar, social-welfare programs!!!!

Last time the dumocrats, like now, "owned" the whitehouse and the congress, Jimma "The Buffoon" Carter was President...and we know where that lead to...RONALD REAGAN...YIP-YIP-YAHOO!

Besides, anytime the repubs have come up solutions, like Reagan's taxcuts or Gingrich's "Contract with America", you socialists weasel credit out of the repub's hard work and great ideas... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:29 PM:

" father bob wrote - "just reposting this so you can see it when you sober up.... "
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You should try that sometime Ms bobbi. Put down the herb and join reality again.

So, you're a "part time consultant in the optics industry" huh Ms bobbi?

Yeah. Okay. Whatever. Translation: you sell sunglasses out on the street corner to supplement your funny little herbal habit because (gosh darn it) your welfare check just doesn't allow for the "necessities" of life.

I'll bet you're stealing wifi from your neighbors in the trailer park too aren't ya Ms bobbi.

Yeah. Yeah you are. "

lefty wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:37 PM:

" NeoCon Academician, weren't you one of the wingers saying the lefties were reciting talking points like good lil brown shirts?

Funny, now you're reciting the "Jimmy Carter" meme expressed at the Values Voters Summit.

From the RNC, straight to the mouths of children. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:59 PM:

" Lefty wrote - "Funny, now you're reciting the "Jimmy Carter" meme expressed at the Values Voters Summit."
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Hey uhm Lefty, you just "borrowed" the use of the term "meme" from me- didn't you screwy.

Uh huh. You sure did.

Now tell me- Has Obama been telling lies about ObamaCare? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 PM:

" During his speech today to the U.N. General Assembly Obama said: "For those who question the character and cause of my nation, I ask you to look at the concrete actions we have taken in just nine months."

So the goodness of America is found in the Obama administration?

Oh gee Lefty. That certainly sounds like an indisputable declaration of moral superiority from "Mr. Hope-N-Change-y" if ever there was one!

It certainly does. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 23, 2009 11:49 PM:

" Funny, now you're reciting the "Jimmy Carter" meme expressed at the Values Voters Summit.
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Lefty...I've been harping about how if Obama got elected how this country would be headed for a downward spiral like the downward spiral that occurred under Jimma Carter's administration for a long time...

And I hope everything "The Messiah" Obama has espoused, comes to pass Lefty...no, really...cuz the result will be...PAIN and MALAISE (malaise bing a Carter era term)...for Americans.

You all wanna live in a country where the government makes all your decisions for you and "takes care of you" like Obama wants to do?

Well great...and enjoy your continually lowering standard of living that will go with it.

I know cause I've traveled to quite few places around the world where I've seen the 2nd rate standard of living that goes with socialized government.

So bring on Obama's socialism like you leftists want it Lefty...you deserve it. "

lefty wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:59 AM:

" 7X6Z9, now tell me, have you stopped taking you schizophrenia medication?

Wow you are one OCD paranoid shut-in. "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:55 AM:

" To 7X: Concerning the poll that shows majority suppoort for President Obama -- Yes, any poll sponsored by Rupert Murdock's conservative Wall Street Journal just has to be accurate and credible. LOL "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:55 AM:

" "Radical?" In a column for Townhall.com, Chuck Norris calls on tea partiers to stop using the modern American flag as a means of protest against the current administration. And if you insist on using the 50-star flag, he says you should stain it with tea, or buy a tea-stained one for just $73.50 to show "solidarity with our Founders."
So are you right wing sheep going to start damaging U.S. flags now to "protest" whatever phony nonsense you're supposedly protesting today? Go to it. Your hero Chuck Norris, whose brains are just as impressive as his acting talents, has instructed you to do so. Go to it, radicals. "

father bob wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:44 AM:

" lefty wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:59 AM:
" 7X6Z9, now tell me, have you stopped taking you schizophrenia medication?

Wow you are one OCD paranoid shut-in. """"

lefty..... the only time 7X opens her mouth is to change feet. "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:44 AM:

" Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa said that same-sex marriage is a "purely socialist concept" during an interview with a conservative radio network on Wednesday.
Anything the nasty no-brainers don't like today is "socialism," a term they don't understand or care to understand.
And 500 years ago, everything the no-brainers didn't understand was "witchcraft." Many of them are still peddling that old insanity as well. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:00 AM:

" lefty wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM:

"I'm sure there's a corner in your parents basement there you can carry on this conversation with."

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lefty wrote on Sep 23, 2009 10:58 AM:

"I hope at 40, you're still enjoying living in your mom's basement."

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lefty wrote on Sep 23, 2009 5:31 PM:

"It couldnt hurt for you to get out of your mom's basement."

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Hmmmm. Lefty, you seem to have some sort of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder with "moms" and "basements".

That's a very strange form of Projection you seem to be engaged in.

Perhaps you should talk to someone about that. I certainly hope you are seeking qualified "help" with you "problems". You seem to be an angry, sad and disturbed individual. I wish you the best my friend.

*sigh* "

DONEdone wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:56 AM:

" i have NEVER agreed with anything you have to say, jack and im an avid reader of these posts. you have proven that brainwashing works. "

father bob wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:58 AM:

" a census worker found hanged with the word "FED" scrawled on his chest has been investigated for over a week by the FBI.

it's beginning to look like the "big brother" scare tactics michelle bachmann, rush limbaugh and a few others have been instilling in unstable followers has begun to take a toll. "

father bob wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:05 PM:

" the Sarah Palin Hong Kong Transcript:

Hi-ya (wink).

Its really great to be here in this great nation of Hong Kong with all you patriotic Kongans to tell ya about governance, economics and U.S. and the Asian affairs also.
Ya kno Todd is part Eskimo so hes just like ya, except hes a much better driver.

Im going to call it like I see it and I will share with you candidly a view right from Main Street, Main Street U.S.A., from where you can see those pesky Russians from and how perhaps my view of Main Street , how that affects you and your business, because as Governor of Alaska government interference got us into this mess in the first place in the respect that proud Alaskans like me arent interested in government fixes, were interested in freedom and the Reaganomics also and those things that Margaret Thatcher did in the Kingdom of Britain as well so now 10 months later, though, a lot of Americans are asking: more government? Is that the change we want?

Because that fella said some nebulous utopian sounding things with his health care reforms and death panels that infringe on private enterprise that real Americans arent comfortable with and its also like the Uighurs and the Han goin at-it but ya know ya just dont seem to have any mechanisms to deal with regional ethnic issues and maybe you should get some of those ethnic mechanics also, too, dontcha think? So thats a business opportunity that can affect you in this great state of Asia without government interference interfering with your governance and freedom like Ive been fighting for in the great state of Alaska also in that respect because it is in the interest of our safety for China to work out its contradictions and ya know we hope for china to rise responsibly because that fella in the White House over there is cutting the defense budget whilst Ive seen Russia beef up when I go jogging and I bet youve seen China doing the same thing because its got to be about jobs also and if it werent for Americas commitment to security in this region your economic prosperity wouldnt be on account of those missiles pointed at Taiwan and we dont want a one-nation Asia do we?

But Im glad the press isnt here makin things-up, like Im trying to burnish my foreign policy credentials, because Im just here to benefit my knowledge base and defray some legal bills, you betcha. "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:32 PM:

" A top White House economic adviser says the Obama administration's proposed overhaul of financial rules preserves the policy of "too big to fail," and could lead to future bailouts.
Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker said Thursday that by designating some companies as critical to the broader financial system, the plans create an expectation that those firms enjoy government backing in tough times. That implies those financial companies "will be sheltered by access to a federal safety net," he said.
This is an extremely serious problem that will lead to the too-bigs taking massive risks, again, to grab executive bonuses and profits and then robbing the U.S. taxpayer with bailouts, again, after they crash the economy, again.
We need Teddy Roosevelt-style antitrust to break these corporations into digestible pieces. Too big to fail is to big to exist. "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:45 PM:

" I understand Republicans have a strict definition of "socialism." A top income tax rate of 35 percent is capitalism, but once it goes to 38 percent it instantly becomes socialism.
There is one exception, however. If the tax rate were to go down but be implemented by a black Democratic president, that, too, would be "socialism." Anything a black Democratic president might do, or not do, is "socialism." "

BW wrote on Sep 24, 2009 12:54 PM:

" Not funny, fb, you bigot. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 24, 2009 1:05 PM:

" lefty..... the only time 7X opens her mouth is to change feet. "

My nomination for comment of the day! "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 PM:

" As for the census worker who was hanged by some terrorist, Fox News and talk radio have spoken, and they've called out to the rough beast that slouches toward Bethlehem to be born. "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 3:26 PM:

" What racist said this?
"Its Obamas America, is it not? Obamas America white kids getting beat up on school buses now. I mean, you put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety, but in Obama's America, the white kids now get beat up, with the black kids cheering. In a more reflective mood, he later asked, "Can this nation really have an African-American president?"
The answer is the racist Rush Limbaugh said it, hero to bigoted right-wing slime everywhere. "

lefty wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:41 PM:

" Sorry 7X6Z9, was I not sposed to mention that you live in your mom's basement, rearrange your Star Trek toys 300 times a day (OCD), and watch Glenn Beck with a tinfoil hat, repeating the mantra...

"Obama lies, Obama lies...." "

lefty wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:52 PM:

" Even though despite what nutjobs like 7XXX, CEDRIC the entertainer, and NEOCON Preschooler think, I am not an Obama supporter (course they don't listen). But I definitely despise the radical right far more (they are a bigger threat to freedom).

So it warms my heart to see this article

"If Barack Obama had to stand for reelection today he'd win by as much as he did last year, if not more."

"He leads Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, and Sarah Palin by anywhere from 7-15 points in hypothetical 2012 contests."

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/09/obama-leads-2012-foes.html

See wingers, the country is trending away from you. Read it and weep (if you dont know how to read, try some public education. Additionally Glenn Beck has instructions for weeping). "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 24, 2009 4:54 PM:

" ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS, WATER ADVOCATES, AND FISHERIES
REACT TO SEAN HANNITY SPREADING MISINFORMATION
ON CALIFORNIA WATER CRISIS
September 17, 2009, Fresno, CA......

Conservative talk show host Sean Hannity aired live from the San Joaquin Valley tonight to garner national attention for Californiaʼs
water crisis. Instead of illustrating how outrageous water speculation and irresponsible agricultural practices are adding to a natural drought, Hannity fueled partisan politics
and blamed President Obama for refusing to lift a series of federal mandates and
environmental rulings that order a small amount of water to be used to restore regional fisheries and protect the balance of the entire Northern California coastal ecosystem. State water experts counted a total of 10 incorrect statements in Hannityʼs broadcast. In June 2009, The National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) ordered 5-7% of water flows into the valley (330,000 acre-feet) to be used to restore creeks and estuaries for
chinhook salmon, which are being threatened with extinction. In addition to the salmon, the NMFS order will help boost populations of other threatened species - including sole, crab, herring, smelt, steelhead, sturgeon, bass, and killer whales. Regional commercial and sport fisheries have collapsed over the past 2 years, and an independent economic research firm estimates that recovery of the salmon fishery alone would create $5.7
billion in new economic activity for the state, and the creation of 94,000 new jobs.
Of course old Liar Liar Pants on Fire Hannity is more concerned in trying to make the administartion look bad than supporting anything that would create jobs. It's pathertic how low the pundits at Fox will stoop these days. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:07 PM:

" Well then Lefty, since you're not an Obama supporter there's no good reason for you to NOT admit that Obama's been lying about ObamaCare, is there. "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:11 PM:

" How many of you right wingers are going to heed the clarion call from your hero Chuck Norris and stain the U.S. flag to show your hatred of the American president?
Why all the silence, right wing radicals? Aren't you man enough to soil the flag to show what a "patriot" you are? Oh say why can't I see your support? "

lefty wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:22 PM:

" 7XXX, since you are not a Nazi, why aren't you admitting what the Nazis did was horrible?

Btw, this is an extension of your ridiculous logic....

http://gb1990.net/

But seriously, why do you continue to support the Nazis?! Your silence speaks volumes. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:22 PM:

" OH MY LEFTY! EVEN LEFT-WING POLLSTERS THINK GOP COULD RETAKE HOUSE NEXT YEAR!

FIVETHIRTYEIGHT- Bafumi, Erikson, and Wleziens analysis doesnt go back before 300 days before the election, but if we take the liberty of extrapolating . . . The current state of the generic polls gives the Democrats .412/(.412+.377) = 52% of the two-party vote. Going to the graph, we see, first, that 52% for the Democrats is near historic lows (comparable to 1946, 1994, and 1998) and that the expected Democratic votegiven that their party holds the White Houseis around -3%, or a 53-47 popular vote win for the Republicans.
Would 53% of the popular vote be enough for the Republicans to win a House majority? A quick look, based on my analysis with John Kastellec and Jamie Chandler of seats and votes in Congress, suggests yes.

SOURCE- http://tinyurl.com/l3xd7j

Gee- Lefty. That looks like a LEAP to the RIGHT.

LOL "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:37 PM:

" GALLUP: CONSERVATIVES NOW OUTNUMBER LIBERALS IN NEARLY EVERY STATE!

GALLUP (Aug 14 2009) 40 percent of respondents identified themselves as "conservative" or "very conservative." That's the highest percentage since 2004.

Only 21 percent said they were "liberal" or "very liberal."

The number of self-identified conservatives increased in all 50 states, even though a majority of people still say they belong to the Democratic Party in 30 of those states.

"Despite the Democratic Party's political strength seen in its majority representation in Congress and in state houses across the country more Americans consider themselves conservative than liberal," said Gallup's analysis.
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See that Lefty?

See what you can learn when you pull your empty head away from all those Left-Wing NutRoot Sites?

You're welcome- screwy!

Now go blow your nose and take little nap. M-Kay Champ. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:51 PM:

" SHHHH OBAMA WH ADOPTS BUSH INDEFINITE-DETENTION POSITION

NEWYORK TIMES (Sept 23 2009) The Obama administration has decided not to seek new legislation from Congress authorizing the indefinite detention of about 50 terrorism suspects being held without charges at at Guantnamo Bay, Cuba, officials said Wednesday.

Instead, the administration will continue to hold the detainees without bringing them to trial based on the power it says it has under the Congressional resolution passed after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, authorizing the president to use force against forces of Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

In concluding that it does not need specific permission from Congress to hold detainees without charges, the Obama administration is adopting one of the arguments advanced by the Bush administration in years of debates about detention policies.
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Golly. Remember when the Left scoffed at the argument from George W. Bush that claimed the authorization to use military force allowed the executive branch to hold captured terrorists indefinitely, without criminal trial? Bush's opponents screamed about human rights and due process, and claimed that Bush had abused his power. Those critics included Barack Obama, who regularly castigated the Bush administration for its failure to provide his idea of due process to detainees at Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere, as well as blasting Bush for his argument that he didn't require Congress to act to maintain that power.

Now THIS is CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 24, 2009 5:56 PM:

" Why all the silence, right wing radicals?
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Because the JG-TC censored my post... "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:03 PM:

" Your hero Chuck Norris, whose brains are just as impressive as his acting talents, has instructed you to do so. Go to it, radicals. "

I have a better idea TQ! Why don't you just invite Mr. Norris here and tell him what you said about him. I can just see the brown stuff running down your leg while you are making haste getting out of there.You would really get what you deserve, a good old fashion butt kicking "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Guess which party is objecting to the White House complaining about the insurance companies mailing misleading letters to seniors? No surprise here, the GOP, and they're the best political party the Health Care industry could buy. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:21 PM:

" Lefty wrote - "7XXX, since you are not a Nazi, why aren't you admitting what the Nazis did was horrible?"
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Dear Lefty, what the Nazi's did was horrible.

Now then Lefty, has Obama been telling lies about ObamaCare? "

Amber wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:36 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:03 PM: I have a better idea TQ! Why don't you just invite Mr. Norris here and tell him what you said about him. I can just see the brown stuff running down your leg while you are making haste getting out of there.You would really get what you deserve, a good old fashion butt kicking "
---------------------------------------cedric it never fails that you make yourself really look and sound like a real idiot! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:41 PM:

" You would really get what you deserve, a good old fashion butt kicking "

Violence seems to come natural to the right wingers, both on this site and elsewhere. Witness the gun totin' tea baggers and abortion doctor killers. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:51 PM:

" Hey Lefty- did ya happen to see how easy it was for me to state that "what the Nazi's did was horrible"?

Did ya see that, screwy?

Now it's your turn, comrade.

Tell us Lefty, has Obama been telling lies about ObamaCare? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:58 PM:

" GEE! OBAMACARE JUST LIKE THE POST OFFICE AFTER ALL!

Guess who's getting a big federal bailout from Democrats in Congress?

POLITICO (Sept 24 2009) Democrats moved Thursday to give special relief to the financially strapped Postal Service, which would be allowed to defer $4 billion in payments due at the end of this month to cover retirement benefits for its employees.

Proponents of the language argued that the House has previously endorsed equivalent relief for the Postal Service, which faces a $5.4 billion payment to the retirement fund at the end of this month. House and Senate Appropriations Committee staff said the language now would reduce that payment to $1.4 billion, helping the Postal Service deal with its cash problems but also exposing the government at least temporarily to the $4 billion difference.
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Hey folks! Who wants some mandatory Gubmint run Health Care?

What could possibly go wrong? "

The Question wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:08 PM:

" Well, Seedy, given your touching, rather childish hero-worship of the brainless Tinseltown buffoon Chuck Norris, I take it you'll be staining some American flags, just as your champion has instructed you? "

Amber wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:09 PM:

" cedric,cedric,cedric!!----"Copy & paste----Copy & paste----Copy & paste".That shows how smart you are.What a nitwit!I think HP & FB will agree with this. "Copy & paste" lol "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:29 PM:

" Joe Wilsons outburst Wednesday night earned more than a personal rebuke from the president and a dagger-eyed gasp from the speaker of the House; it drew winces from Republicans worried that their party is becoming known less for the power of its ideals and more for the pettiness of its vitriol.

Neither party has an exclusive on wack jobs, says Republican media consultant Mark McKinnon. Unfortunately, right now the Democrats generally get defined by President Obama, and Republicans, who have no clear leadership, get defined by crackpots and then they begin to define the Republican Party in the mind of the general public.
Turn on the TV, and you see what he means.
Politico-

Tune into Fox any time of the day and you'll just what he means by crackpots.

Just who represents the GOP these days? Is it Sara Palin, Orly Taitz, Joe Wilson, Joe the fake Plumber, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michelle Bachman, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly or fill in the blank with any of the other assorted nutcases running around speaking for the right side. "

what wrote on Sep 24, 2009 9:17 PM:

" From todays Cal Thomas column concerning Obamas talks with Israeli PM Netanyahu and PA President Abbas, who represents the West Bank Palastinians: "Bullies like Abbas, and the people he represents, love to negotiate with the West because it weakens us and bolsters their spirit. We give and they take without giving anything in return." Now if that's not just exactly backwards the sun comes in the west. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:01 PM:

" POLICE: SUICIDE NOT RULED OUT IN DEATH OF CENSUS WORKER FOUND HANGED

THE PLUME LINE (Sept 24 2009) Ive got some more detail for you on the case of the Bill Sparkman, the U.S. census worker who was found dead of hanging, reportedly with the word "fed" scrawled on his chest:

1) Kentucky state police have NOT ruled out the possibility that the death was a suicide or even that it was accidental, according to police spokesman Don Trosper.

2) His death has been ruled "asphyxia," Trosper said in an interview. "There was a rope around his neck. It was attached to a tree," Trosper continued, adding this intriguing detail: "HE WAS IN CONTACT WITH THE GROUND".

That raises the possibilty that the cause of death was not hanging. Asked if this were possible, Trosper said: "Nothing is being ruled out."

3) Trosper said the initial AP story on the death contains "flaws and errors." That means its possible that the AP's claim, based on an anonymous source, that he had the word "fed" scrawled on his chest could be false. Asked if that were the case, Trosper declined to comment.

So thats where we are. Much more from Zachary Roth in his very useful rundown on where the case stands.
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Sooooo Harry?

If the initial AP story turns out to be wrong- and this gut was NOT murdered by some Right-Wing fanatics....... are you going to apologize for spewing your MSNBC Left-Wing meme all over this blog?

Or are you going to stay consistent with your usual mode of operation and A) hypocritically pretend the entire affair never happened OR B) Continue to repeat the slanderous lies even though you know them to be false? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:08 PM:

" CEDRIC66 wrote "I have a better idea TQ! Why don't you just invite Mr. Norris here and tell him what you said about him. I can just see the brown stuff running down your leg while you are making haste getting out of there.You would really get what you deserve, a good old fashion butt kicking"
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*Ping*

Post of the week- right there folks!

ROFLMAO! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 10:39 PM:

" SURPRISE!: OBAMA WH NOW ADMITS IT MIGHT NOT MEET DEADLINE FOR CLOSING GITMO

WASHINGTONPOST (Sept 25 2009) Even before the inauguration, President Obama's top advisers settled on a course of action they were counseled against: announcing that they would close the facility within one year. Today, officials are acknowledging that they will be hard-pressed to meet that goal.
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Let's see how long it takes before everyone on the Left magically "forgets" about Gitmo.

CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 11:16 PM:

" VIDEO: MSNBC'S LEADING INTELLECTUAL ED SCHULTZ GOES BONKERS OVER HEALTH CARE

SCHULTZ - "Hold it right there! The Republicans lie! They want to see you dead! They'd rather make money off your dead corpse! They kinda like it when that woman has cancer and they don't have anything for her!"

VIDEO: http://tinyurl.com/yddjzt3

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I can't tell; is Sgt (I Know Nothing!) Schultz suppose to be the Left-Sphere's answer to Beck?

And doesn't PMSNBC already have enough angry Liberal white guys yelling at the camera with: Keith "Bathtub Boy" Odermann, Chris "Thrill Up My Leg" Matthews, and that really homely dude in drag- Rachel "Call Me Ray" Maddcow?

Golly geez-Loueez you Lib-militants are an angry lot! You seem a tad dangerous and spazmatic actually.

Exit question: You clowns on The Left won the election. You control the House, The Senate, the White House, and all of the Federal Gubmint. So....why so angry? "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 11:49 PM:

" Amber wrote on Sep 24, 2009 7:36 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 6:03 PM: I have a better idea TQ! Why don't you just invite Mr. Norris here and tell him what you said about him. I can just see the brown stuff running down your leg while you are making haste getting out of there.You would really get what you deserve, a good old fashion butt kicking "
---------------------------------------cedric it never fails that you make yourself really look and sound like a real idiot! "

Sounds to me like you lost one of your MPB's there Amber!! You want the definition of the word "idiot". Go look in the mirror and you will see one!! ROTFLMAO!!!!! "

The Question wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:36 AM:

" I think I see the problem here.
You right wingers like to grovel before things, in order to save yourself the trouble of ever thinking. You're accustomed to groveling before BOTH the flag AND the dim, elderly actor Chuck Norris. But now Norris, who wants you to soil the flag to demonstrate your commitment to incoherent right-wing vitriol, is forcing you to make a CHOICE between groveling before him or worshipping the flag, and you're paralyzed with indecision. Sad.
You could resolve your dilemma, but that would require thinking, and I know how you just hate doing that. "

~STRANGER~ wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:14 AM:

" Danny Boy wrote on sept 23 2009 @ 2:58pm.
"But I've noticed that a lot of people think the world begins and ends at the Coles County line.There is a big world out there folks......check it out if you can.
I nominated this for the BEST POST OF THE YEAR!!!!! "

Bps wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:08 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:37 PM:
" LC, thank you for a good question, I'll try to answer. My part time work is of an educational nature, which primarily involves curriculum development and program implementation.
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Mr. Potter, I ran across the following little gem this morning and instantly thought of you.

You are a semi-retired educational professional and still are active in curriculum development, so what do you think of this type teaching in the school?

School kids taught to praise Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo "

warrior wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:06 AM:

" Here's a question to "the question, when someone associates himself with drug addicts wouldn't most people consider him a drug addict? Same goes for Obama who associates himself with Socialist Presidents of other countries.If you associate yourself with a socialist, then people see you as a socialist.
As far as him being black, would it make you happier if we disagreed with his socialist agenda if he was Hispanic, Asian, etc. president? As far as being a black democrat, it's not his skin color, but him being left wing democrat that people don't like.
Apparently unlike you and other welfare recipients, I don't need a free handout from our government and I sure don't need any government agency telling me I need health insurance coverage or I will be fined $2500/year. Unlike most deadbeats, I pay my bills. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:35 AM:

" OH MY! DEMOCRATIC FUNDRAISING COLLAPSES!

WASHINGTON POST (Sept 25 2009) The trend is a marked reversal from recent history, in which Democrats have erased the GOPs long-standing fundraising advantage. In the first six months of 2009, Democratic campaign committees receipts have dropped compared with the same period two years earlier.

The vast majority of those declines were accounted for by the absence of large donors who, strategists say, have shut their checkbooks in part because Democrats have heightened their attacks on the conduct of major financial firms and set their sights on rewriting the laws that regulate their behavior....

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee was considered the partys best-run organization as it oversaw pickups of 14 Republican seats in 2006 and 2008. But through August, the DSCC had raised just $27.5 million, a drop of more than 25 percent, or $9.2 million, from the same point two years ago. While donations from special interest political action committees have increased, individual donors are disappearing at a rate that has alarmed party leaders: The DSCCs contributions from individuals was $18.5 million through August, a drop of $12.6 million, or nearly 40 percent, from two years earlier, according to reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.
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But but but Lefty says that the country is trending away from the Right!

But but but Lefty says that the Right is a pack of fascist money hungry haters who infringe on citizens rights, and by contrast the Democrats are the standard bearers of true American values.....and everything!

But but but ......... the facts just don't seem to square with Lefty's diatribes.

But but but.......the Democrats are looking at a looming blood bath in the upcoming elections! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 8:45 AM:

" OH HEAVENS! MORE BAD NEWS! NYT/CBS POLL SHOWS OBAMA LOSING GROUND ON HEALTH CARE, AFGHANISTAN!

NEWYORK TIMES (Sept 24 2009) At 56 percent, Mr. Obama's job approval rating is similar to what President Ronald Reagans was at this point in his first term (53 percent); President Bill Clinton's was at 43 percent. Still, Mr. Obamas approval is down from 68 percent in the spring.

The percentage of people who approve of the way he has dealt with Afghanistan has dropped to 44 percent from 56 percent in April. The percentage of Americans who approve of his handling of the economy, at 50 percent, has dropped from 61 percent since April. In April, Mr. Obama had a 43-point advantage over Republicans in terms of who would make the right decisions on the economy; that has dropped to a 26-point advantage. ....

The poll found that an intense campaign by Mr. Obama to rally support behind his health care plan - including an address to Congress, a run of television interviews and rallies across the country - appears to have done little to allay concerns.

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First the sampling: The party split in the sample has Republicans at 22%, Democrats at 37%, and independents at 33%.

That would make sense - IF Obama had won the presidential election by 20 points last November. Since Obama only won by seven points, with strong support from Independents and some crossover Republicans, the notion of a 15-point gap in party affiliation was ludicrous then, and is even more ludicrous now.

Even with the artificially inflated partisan imbalance and the use of adults rather than registered or likely voters (which are more predictive), the poll has bad news for Obama. The 15-point advantage only gives him a 10-point advantage on the economy (50%-40% approving), down from a 32-point gap in April. He has a two-point gap on health care and fails to get a majority in support (47%-45%).

And heres an indicator that the Hope and Change has begun to wear off: a majority (56%) believe Obama will break his campaign promise not to raise taxes on the middle class. That may be the reason why support for a complete overhaul of the American health-care system has dropped from 38% to 27% in five months. Or, it could have something to do with 78% of respondents being satisfied with the quality of health care they receive.

Obama should take no satisfaction in these poll results, if his advisers are looking honestly at how the NYT and CBS conducted the survey. And these "news" agencies should be explaining why their sample varies so widely between the final election polling and pretty much every other time they survey. Its dishonest to the extreme. "

The Question wrote on Sep 25, 2009 9:21 AM:

" Well, little warrior, when your child develops leukemia and the treatment bankrupts you, and you are reduced to placing cans with your child's photo on convenience store counters to beg for spare change, you write and tell us how you don't need any of those awful "free handouts." Or just let your family starve on the streets. Your choice. "

lefty wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:09 AM:

" 7XXX, why did it take you so long to acknowledge what the Nazis did was so terrible? The sheer amount of silence exhibited before you acknowledged their atrocities is concerning....

CEDRIC, be worried about Chuck Norris? Ya, he cares enough to come to Coles County to fight non-conservatives. Nice wet dream. He's too busy rollin around in his piles of money from Walker, Texas Ranger.

NEOCON, yes, you are being censored. One of the most posted users on the website alleges censorship.

Gad, you're all whack-jobs. "

father bob wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:18 AM:

" The Question wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:36 AM:
"Sad.
You could resolve your dilemma, but that would require thinking, and I know how you just hate doing that. """""

TQ, this place gets more amazing with each passing day. the depth of ignorance the rightwing displays intrigues me. these "normal" appearing citizens are actually walking around out there with a penchant of hate, gullibility, and violence coursing through their veins itching for the chance to overflow on society, all of this because some uneducated, drug addicted radio or television personality tells them what to think. "

Danny Boy wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:25 AM:

" Ya know, if they put this one Thread on "Saturday Night Live"....they would probably get the best T.V ratings in years !! "

lefty wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:58 AM:

" Poll: Public Option Favored By 65% Of Americans

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/25/poll-public-option-favore_n_299669.html

7XXX, once this passes, say buh-byeeeee to the chances of right-wingers regaining power.

Chuck Norris can lead TX in a secession movement!

And NEOCON will face the "OBAMA-CENSORS!"

Nutjobs. "

The Question wrote on Sep 25, 2009 12:15 PM:

" Yes, it's astounding, FB. What you've got to love about right wingers is their infinite capacity to shriek that whatever their idols do is absolutely right, even when it's glaringly, obviously wrong and when it contradicts everything the right wingers themselves said they stood for yesterday (such as protecting the flag).
So they stridently claim Nixon was right to cover up political dirty-tricks felony crimes, that Reagan and Bush were right to explode the national debt, that Bush was right to invade Iraq based on reasons that have been proven false and that Palin was right to resign the governor's office abruptly in mid-term.
The right wingers said that stupid strumpet Palin was more than ready to be president, a you-betcha, no-blinkin', never-surrender "fighter" who could stare down a Russian dictator, so obviously what she should do if liberals are mean to her is abandon her elected office and run away.
I have to say that I feel some sympathy for some of these extremely confused, self-deluding people.
Unfortunately, even when their ignorance and stupidity is not willful, it is still extremely dangerous to themselves and to the rest of us. They do not realize that the people they support caused the troubles they are suffering, pretty ruthlessly and deliberately, and that the people they vilify are trying to stand up for them.
Ayn Rand got at least one thing right in any given circumstance, you have a choice: to think or not to think. Your habitual choice spells either survival or disaster.
If these fools don't find a way to wise up fast, they'll be wiped out, and it will be a kind of American suicide. "

Danny Boy wrote on Sep 25, 2009 3:38 PM:

" ~Stranger~

You and I, must know each other, because we agree on just about everything Bro...........D.B. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 25, 2009 4:42 PM:

" Uhm Lefty?

Here's the DETAILS of your "Public Option Favored By 65% Of Americans" meme:

The ACTUAL polling question was this:

"Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government-administered health insurance plan like Medicare that would compete with private insurance plans."

First of all Medicare is bankrupt and unsustainable. Secondly ObamaCare will CUT Medicare by $500 billion over the next 10 years. Thirdly the Democrats plan is NOT to compete with private insurance- but to kill it. They want to use the Public Option as a Trojan Horse towards Single Payer. And the public is NOT in favor of that.

Now then Lefty, I (like most Conservatives) have no problem with a Public Option as long as it is forced to compete with private insurance without any trigger options. But the Left would have a kanipshin-fit if that happen. And THAT would be a huge GOP victory.

Thanks for displaying your utter ignorance, Lefty.

The pleasure was all mine. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:34 PM:

" Once again Sean Hannity of Fox tells his audience the the US is paying the bulk of the UN expenses. In reality we pay between 22 and 25 percent. Considering the wealth of this country, is that unreasonable?

The right wing pundits don't bother with facts. "

lefty wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:43 PM:

" Question for all the big govt right wing loonies...

Why arent the teabaggers protesting in Pittsburgh? Or expressing outrage over the random arrests of Constitutional protestors?

I mean, one would think the teabaggers would stand in solidarity against government and corporate oppression.

But really its merely opposition to the black liberal dude, isn't it? I mean, let's be honest. "

Amber wrote on Sep 25, 2009 5:46 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 24, 2009 11:49 PM:----

Sounds to me like you lost one of your MPB's there Amber!! You want the definition of the word "idiot". Go look in the mirror and you will see one!! ROTFLMAO!!!!! -------------------Cedric,you had better read the posts better because no one else is calling me a idiot."BUT" there is a LOT of them telling you over & over how stupid you are."Copy & paste,copy & paste" hahahaha. "

Bps wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:33 PM:

" lefty wrote on Sep 25, 2009 10:09 AM:
NEOCON, yes, you are being censored. One of the most posted users on the website alleges censorship.

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Most posted? Wouldnt that be HP, FB and TQ?

The LCoO outpost everybody else about 13 to 1 and has for a very, very long time. If you add all the new names that have popped up into their total as the Dummy-crats have floundered, it is a sure bet Neo wouldnt come close.

Since none of the LCoO wants to venture an answer so far, maybe youll take a shot at my previous question and favor us with an answer to the following serious question:

Bps wrote on Sep 23, 2009 7:49 AM:
All of you rile who against those who dare to say slow down, take your time, and fix it right.

This is just another in a long string of misstatements and why the majority of the folks dont believe the current criminals in power:

"Nobody is talking about cutting Medicare benefits," Obama said during an online AARP forum in July.

The head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, told senators Tuesday that seniors in Medicare's managed care plans would see reduced benefits under a bill in the Finance Committee.

So what say you FB/HP (or lefty), whose right?

Do seniors have a reason to worry these clowns in congress will get it wrong- again? " "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:37 PM:

" Republicans have been in an uproar recently over video footage of children at a New Jersey elementary school singing the praises of President Barack Obama. The outrage has been fueled mainly by a constant drumbeat from conservative media. But on Friday it boiled over into the realm of political opportunism when the Republican National Committee sent out a fundraising appeal calling the episode an "indoctrination of our nations... children" and "fanaticism."

"Friend," RNC Chairman Michael Steele wrote, "this is the type of propaganda you would see in Stalin's Russia or Kim Jong Il's North Korea. I never thought the day would come when I'd see it here in America."

Alas, such "propaganda" has not been limited to despots, dictators and the Obama White House. As a savvy source points out, back in 2006 children from Gulf Coast states serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the President, Congress, and Federal Emergency Management Agency for their response to -- of all things -- Hurricane Katrina.
Huffington post-

Weren't expecting that one were you, Bps?

To answer your question, Bps: just like it was wrong to have school kids sing the praises of G Bush, it's wrong to have them sing the praises of Obama. So now for you, after learning of the Bush praise singing, was the head of the RNC a little foolish for his comments?

And going back to the issue of the president addressing our kids, I have no problem with that, regardless of the presidents party affiliation, and neither did the right side when Bush and Reagan did it. Only when Obama did it, did they come unglued. Of course when the backlash hit, they hid behind the excuse it was only the discussion questions they were objecting to. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:41 PM:

" Most posted? Wouldnt that be HP, FB and TQ?

Add up all of the posts under the many pseudonyms of our friend, currently posting as 7X and you might change your mind. I see that he even brought Stanley out tonight, to try to justify his making fun of handicapped kids. lol! "

~STRANGER~ wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:49 PM:

" Danny Boy, I don't know about that bro sch!t, but at least I can make heads and tails outta your post's. "

lefty wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:01 PM:

" BPS, the House Progressive Caucus has said they are united and will not vote for the Senate bill. That may pass the Senate, but not the conference committee (then House, then Senate).

7XXX, the re. to the above.

And if the public option kills private insurance, then they couldn't compete, no? Why defend an industry that can't compete? Weird that you would defend that. "

STINKY wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:06 PM:

" I agree with Jack on this one whole-mo-fo'n-heartedly. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 PM:

" NEOCON, yes, you are being censored. One of the most posted users on the website alleges censorship.
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Hey Lefty...maybe you need to lay off the meth pipe, dude...getting all tense, stress-out, and such.

TQ asked why us right-wing wackos weren't responding, so I dutifully replied that they censored my post.

They've censored me before..."so it ain't to thang." "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:24 PM:

" he even brought Stanley out tonight, to try to justify his making fun of handicapped kids. lol! "
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So HP, you're a handicapped kid then, eh?

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Lord...I'm sorry for that one...I couldn't resist.

I better say four "Mmmm, Obamas" and three "Hail Mary's" for penance for that one....! Hahaha! PIMP! "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:19 AM:

" So it is the right-wing extremists that incite fear.
It's the right-wing extremists that threaten violence.
It's the right-wing extremists that are racists.
It's the right-wing extremists that have terrorized the masses.
It's the right-wing extremists that have spread misinformation.
It's the right-wing extremists that have caused partisian bickering and divided the country.

Boy, you'd think we were the party in power by all the control we seem to be excercising over the country. "

Bps wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:07 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:37 PM:
To answer your question, Bps: just like it was wrong to have school kids sing the praises of G Bush, it's wrong to have them sing the praises of Obama. So now for you, after learning of the Bush praise singing, was the head of the RNC a little foolish for his comments?
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Even though your response ducked my question about the Medicare Cuts (good Texas Side Step by the way- http://tinyurl.com/yazkjsw ), lets get to my answer to your question.

I bet we could both agree that the head of the RNC is foolish for many reasons. In this case my problem with him is not in his use of "indoctrination of our nations... children" and "fanaticism.", it is in his trying to use this as a fund raising opportunity.

He should have plainly spoken out against the abuse of a teachers power over her students as part of school mandated session.

YET HE WAS CLEARLY WRONG TO TRY TO USE THIS AS A FUND RAISING OPPORTUNITY.

We appear to be in totally agreement that using children for political purposes is wrong, dead wrong regardless of which side does it.

Guess we are down to determining which of the two wrongs were worse.

The Bush event:

1. Took place at the White House Easter Egg Roll- a political event

2. The students were a mixed group of 100 from three different states volunteers from politically connected adults, not specific second grade students from the same school.

3. The participation of those children was certainly not part of a school mandated curriculum.

Singing Praises of Obama event:

1. The Burlington Township School District has confirmed in writing this was an OFFICAL SCHOOL EVENT ON SCHOOL PROPERTY, BY STUDENTS OF THE SCHOOL, not a political event.

2. The students second graders of the school were organized by their TEACHER and the song was written by an educator at the school as part of the school day curriculum during Black History Month.

3. The participation of the children was mandatory as part of the days curriculum, not volunteers.

IN BOTH CASES THE USE OF CHILDREN FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES WAS WRONG!

BUT ID PREFER VOLUNTEER CHILDREN SING ABOUT THE GREATNESS OF COUNTRY AT A POLITICAL EVENT, NOT SINGING THE GREATNESS OF A SINGLE LEADER AT A SCHOOL MANDATED EVENT.

Now as to which was the worse villain:

My vote would be for the individuals at a public school who didnt have the sense to put together a proper lesson plan, Instead they created one that at the very least creates the perception of the indoctrination of children in the worship of the President as a single individual.

After all, Teachers as public employees are supposed to be politically neutral in their lesson plans, arent they Harry?

Of course I am not a professional on curriculum as you have stated you are.

So which of the TWO WRONGS would you say are worse Harry? "

Bps wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:28 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Sep 25, 2009 7:41 PM:
" Most posted? Wouldnt that be HP, FB and TQ?

Add up all of the posts under the many pseudonyms of our friend, currently posting as 7X and you might change your mind. I see that he even brought Stanley out tonight, to try to justify his making fun of handicapped kids. lol! "
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I wouldnt know about what other names 7X might or might not use. I havent seen him slip up like some others have.

Yep, I have my ideas on whos using multiple names, but I would still stick with my original guess that the LCoO posts the most and most often.

Unlike some, I don't have psysic college professor to help me out so I can't be sure who's who.

But I sure dont want you and the gaggle to go off on another name-flame-war. The last two or three really took away from the normal flow of the posts and frankly got pretty boring until that Dumbledore (???) brought it to a halt.

Now that was funny and got me laughing so hard I spilled tea all over my keyboard the night I first saw them popup.

HP even you would have to admit that was some funny posts that really had a point. "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:51 AM:

" TQ had a profound post when he mentioned the desparate people who post photographs of their stricken children on cans and hoping for contributions to alleviate their financial woes due to astronomical medical costs. It should be added that rarely, if ever, do such fund-raising efforts make any real headway in actually paying the medical bills they owe. "

Matt Toon wrote on Sep 26, 2009 12:13 PM:

" For many years ultra conservative commentators have alleged that America has been "socialist" since at least the New Deal in the 1930s, with its programs such as Social Security. And they add that America has become even more radically "socialist" since the days of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society programs, such as Medicare. Yet, in almost the same breath these commentators will sternly warn that "America is in danger of becoming socialist" under the leadership of Barack Obama. How could this be? According to them we already have been "socialist" for at least 75 years, and radically so for nearly 50 years. If this is the case, how could America BECOME "socialist" when it already has been a "socialist" state for a half to three quarters of a century? Have these conservative commentators been lying to us for all these years? "

sammy wrote on Sep 26, 2009 9:47 PM:

" BS..... Bam Bam was the one that said during the campaigns that he was capable of multi tasking. The healthcare debacle is of his own making and he is letting Afghanistan go all too Hell from lack of attention. His Generals are calling for help and he is either "jet setting" across the Nation or Globe and our troops are dying. How many have died while he is gathering praise from the AFL-CIO convention,UN appearance, G20 summit, Letterman or the MSM blitz.
Someone needs to draw the man a map with directions to the West wing and the Oval Office "

sammy wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:03 PM:

" Glenn Beck does ask the tough questions and he does so in such a manner that he gets answers. It may be a little later that the answers are given, but he gets results. No one else seems to be fighting the way Glenn is.

Everyone should re-read what Samuel Adams said above and think about what he said. "It is our duty to defend against all attacks." I do believe that Glenn Beck is doing just that.
__________________ "

medic57 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 3:45 AM:

" The Question wrote on Sep 19, 2009 6:07 PM:

" When the president lied the nation into the unjustified, immoral quagmire of invading Iraq and let his Wall Street banker pals wreck their world economy with their deregulated "free market" fraud, Pierce supported him wholeheartedly. But now that the president is trying to clean up those titanic messes, and shore up a U.S. health care system being collapsed by corporate greed, Pierce attacks him.
Jack Pierce: always a part of the problem. "

Why is the President trying to clean up what he voted yes to fund? He also voted against this;

An amendment that would prohibit undocumented immigrants convicted of aggravated felonies, domestic violence, stalking, violation of protection orders, crimes against children, or crimes relating to the illegal purchase or sale of firearms, from gaining legal statusm he also voted against making english the common language.

No Question. it looks like Obama is trying to clean up everything he helped to fund. "

~STRANGER~ wrote on Sep 27, 2009 8:19 AM:

" Right on Stinky. "

The Question wrote on Sep 27, 2009 9:59 AM:

" Matt, the right wingers scream "socialism" the same way their spiritual ancestors in the Middle Ages screamed "witchcraft!" They don't understand anything they're ranting about, but they know it's a handy excuse to burn some people at the stake. "

Bps wrote on Sep 27, 2009 10:01 AM:

" lefty wrote on Sep 25, 2009 11:01 PM:
" BPS, the House Progressive Caucus has said they are united and will not vote for the Senate bill. That may pass the Senate, but not the conference committee (then House, then Senate).
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The Obama-Pelosi-Reid lead crooks have said they would or wouldnt do a lot of things over the last nine months and their record of actually keeping their word is very poor.

Believe what they say if you want, but me Ill continue to be skeptical of not only their word but also of their motives and continue to expect their worse. "

sammy wrote on Sep 27, 2009 11:51 AM:

" Obama will sell this crap and tax bill the same way he is selling his healthcare bill, by whining about unfortunate people and situtations. There will be dire consequences and unlivable scenarios roled out for people to be horrified and scared out of their wits. Once again, rational and intelligent people will be accused of being racist or greedy or immoral because we don't believe that carbon dioxide is a killer gas out to destroy our lives.

My sister-in-law has joined this "I stand with Van Jones" club on Facebook. The funny thing is, is that she is a mortgage broker. She is clueless as to what the cap and tax bill will do to her industry. If I tell her, she'll accuse me lying or she will think it's a good idea to have everyone upgrade their homes to make them green enough to sell them. "

sammy wrote on Sep 27, 2009 12:03 PM:

" The only "I'm Sorry" I am interested in hearing was recorded by Brenda Lee in the 50s.

If the President wishes to do any apologizing to anyone, let it be done for himself and in his own name. The rest of us have nothing for which to apologize unless perhaps it might be for "interfering" in World Wars 1 and 2, and for the unpardonable sin of rebuilding the places that were ruined in those conflicts and the billions we have sent to ungrateful foreign governments over the years. If we are truly sorry for our interference, let us stop all of this meddling immediately. That would include the UN (Useless Nuisance) which squats on our shores, refuses by reason of "diplomatic immunity" to even pay traffic fines and is populated by representatives of dictatorial and thuggish governments.

With the exception of China, which owns our collective backsides lock, stock and barrel, there is no government in the world which deserves an "I'm Sorry" from our President and I sincerely wish he would shut his yap. If the truth be known, it isn't swine flu which will be responsible for making this country sick, the people in Washington have beaten the swine to that prize!!
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cedric66 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 6:04 PM:

" Very well stated sammy, Look out for the loonies on this one. They would gripe on any subject you bring up because they have all the answers, didn't you know that? You will be labeled a "RACIST by FB and a nut by HP and who knows what by TQ!! Have a nice day! "

lefty wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:15 PM:

" CEDRIC666, still making yourself look like a bigger man by picking on the mentally handicapped? Classy right-winger. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:33 PM:

" lefty wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:15 PM:

" CEDRIC666, still making yourself look like a bigger man by picking on the mentally handicapped? Classy right-winger. "

If it's bugging you, I enjoy doing it@@ "

sammy wrote on Sep 27, 2009 7:44 PM:

" The wrong war in the wrong place. Isn't that what the bunch running things now said about Iraq, 'Bush's war'? Didn't they demand that American lives not be wasted for nothing and to put our efforts into going after bin Laden? ...Well? I can handle the loonies with ease Cedric66. They are the uneducated ones in politics. They are never wrong. Don't believe me , ask them, they will tell you so!!!! "

warrior wrote on Sep 27, 2009 8:06 PM:

" Well The Question, I guess I'll be seeing you with your can at the gas station trying to collect money for your kid with cancer because your democratic health care plan has decided she's not worth spending thousands if dollars on just to keep her alive for a few more years. Maybe we can split a can of beans while we are collecting money. "

Ilovebilloreilly wrote on Sep 27, 2009 8:22 PM:

" There is really nothing left to say... as usual, Jack said it all!!! "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 8:30 PM:

" The Kenyan Korporal and his inept War Czar are unfit to lead that Foo Foo dog that Michelle bought the kids let alone American troops. Gates is inept. Hussein isn't qualified to be Commander-in-chief. How can you swear to defend the Constitution when you don't believe in the Constitution?? Against enemies both foreign and domestic when you lick the boots of foreign enemies and have domestic enemies as your most trusted advisers. So help me God, when you don't believe in God. And, take the sacred oath with your hand on the Bible that you don't believe in. I won't even bring up the part about not being a Natural born citizen. We are headed for VietnamII with the white house running the war with a bunch of loser Khaki lackeys and hey boys. Good men will die for what; so that Lil' Hitler can fulfill a campaign promise. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 8:42 PM:

" By Thomas D. Segel
September 15, 2009

By now you have heard the story. Taliban insurgents ambushed a 13-man team of U.S. Marine and Army advisors assigned to the Afghan National Army as they approached a small hamlet. Repeatedly the Marines called for artillery support that was denied by their commanders and helicopter gunship support that took more than one hour to arrive. The refused support and slow air response caused the unit to suffer eight Afghan soldiers, one interpreter and four Marines to be killed in action.

The uproar across the military community has been deafening and the NATO commanded forces are now investigating why commanding officers rejected repeated calls for artillery fire. They are also looking into the reason why close air support that was supposed to be no more than five minutes away took more than one hour to reach the scene of the battle "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 9:13 PM:

" Obama not only doesn't believe in Amerian exceptionalism, he believes America is the great evil and that we must be punished and diminished. He destroys the effectiveness of our intelligence agencies and pays lip service to the needs of our military.

Out of a distorted ideology, he gives aid and encouragement to our enemies. He blindly advocates the agenda of a political philosophy that without exception has failed miserably in every venue it has been tried. But radicals like him with their extremist views cannot be bothered with reality, they are obesessed with sick fantasies and delusions of grandeur.

He and his ilk are infected with a terrible sickness called progressivism, and there is only one way to stop the damage they do. Defeat them and do it so decisively that the madness never again rears it's ugly head.
__________________ "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM:

" Secretary General Ban Ki-moon intends to present its members with a two-year headquarters budget that he claims will be as stingy as these recessionary times demand. It will total just $4.9 billion, a trifling 0.5 percent or $22.4 million more than the U.N. spent over the previously two years. The U.S. pays 22 percent of the new budget total, or about $1.08 billion.
Fox news-

What do you think, Bps? (note the source)

I guess that 22 percent is the bulk of the budget that Sean Hannity rails about, huh Bps? lol! "

lefty wrote on Sep 27, 2009 11:05 PM:

" Hahahaha! CEDRIC666 is a birther!

Wing nuttery never ceases to amaze me. "

Bps wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:52 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM:
" Secretary General Ban Ki-moon intends to present its members with a two-year headquarters budget that he claims will be as stingy as these recessionary times demand. It will total just $4.9 billion, a trifling 0.5 percent or $22.4 million more than the U.N. spent over the previously two years. The U.S. pays 22 percent of the new budget total, or about $1.08 billion.
Fox news-

What do you think, Bps? (note the source)

I guess that 22 percent is the bulk of the budget that Sean Hannity rails about, huh Bps? lol! "
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I already knew from your fixation with all things fox that you apparently spend a lot of time on watching it, so the source doesnt surprise me one bit.

At least its down from the 25% we used to pay (we asked the UN to honor its formula and got it to be reduced to 22% in 1999).

Even though the UN is not worth 1/100th of its cost, it is an obligation that we entered into after WWII.

It does seem to be a waste since the UNs list of real accomplishments is so small and its history of failure, graft and corruption is so large.

Hum, in many ways it is like our congress-critters from both parties.

You know, well connected people getting rich by graft, theft of public funds and selling out those it is supposed to represent.

Unlike the current President distain for honoring debts (i.e. - GM & Chrysler bondholders, etc.), I believe that your word is your bond and we need to pay the debt as long as it is computed according to the legal agreement.

Since UN dues are assessed according to a country's share of the world GNP it should drop even more as the almost 39 year sellout of our countrys manufacturing and intellectual property continues.

You know HP, as we continue to slip into being a second or third rate economic power.

Based upon the formula, if things dont change very soon, China will have to start picking up the largest share.

Wonder if they will become the worlds policemen when we cant afford it anymore?

As far as Mr. Hannitys opinion, his is an opinion show and based upon his ratings a lot of people must like to watch him.

You arent suggesting he shouldnt have the rights guaranteed by the Constitution are you HP? "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 28, 2009 8:18 AM:

" Cedric you are a hoot. First you say Obama denys that America is exceptional than that he has "delusions of grandeur" about America. Which is it, it can't be both. Perhaps you should read what you write? "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 28, 2009 8:23 AM:

" The world has changed and either the US change with it or the US will be left behind. The center of economic power is shifting (maybe has shifted) and we either need to recognize that shift or get left behind. Folks like Cedric prefer to be left behind in a 19th Century US rather than having the courage and energy and creativity to move forward in a radically changed and changing world of the 21st century. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 28, 2009 10:08 AM:

" You arent suggesting he shouldnt have the rights guaranteed by the Constitution are you HP? "

Absolutely not. Just as I was offended when Cheney inferred that people should shut over the Iraq war and going so far as to call it being unpatriotic to criticise the president during a time of war, I would be just as appalled if anyone should say Hannity should shut up. I just wish he would stop telling lies every 5 minutes or so. If his case against Obama is so strong, why does he have to lie about everything. I love a spirited debate, but have no use for liars. Spin is OK with me, because both sides do it and it's easy to read, but out right lies are unnecessary. Fox needs to install a lie detector on Hannity and Beck.

By the way, what happened to Cheney's idea that it was unpatriotic to criticise the president during a war? Amnesia perhaps? He and his daughter are burning up the airwaves with their on going assault on the president, and there is a war going on. The daughter started off by launching a campaign to resurrect he dads image, but has branched off onto daily Obama bashing. So I guess that they're not very patriotic them selves. "

Bps wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:05 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Sep 28, 2009 10:08 AM:
By the way, what happened to Cheney's idea that it was unpatriotic to criticize the president during a war?
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Do you really expect a Repub-a-clown politician be any different from a Dummy-crat politician?

They all lie and do whatever is best for them and the cohorts.

Of course they will do one thing and say another, it is in their nature or they wouldnt be a politician.

Hum HP, is what they did any different than what those who call conservative posters on this site racist simply because they criticize the current presidents actions (supported by facts and references)?

A presidents policies and actions are always fair game regardless of party.

By the way, you still havent answered my question from:

Bps wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:07 AM:

After all, Teachers as public employees are supposed to be politically neutral in their lesson plans, arent they Harry?

Of course I am not a professional on curriculum as you have stated you are.

So which of the TWO WRONGS would you say are worse Harry? " "

Bps wrote on Sep 28, 2009 1:23 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Sep 28, 2009 8:23 AM:
" The world has changed and either the US change with it or the US will be left behind. The center of economic power is shifting (maybe has shifted) and we either need to recognize that shift or get left behind. Folks like Cedric prefer to be left behind in a 19th Century US rather than having the courage and energy and creativity to move forward in a radically changed and changing world of the 21st century. "
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You make an excellent point. Good post.

The switch over started way back in the early 70s and has continued unabated since then.

All the things the politicians have tried have been dismal failures (i.e. - service economy- what a joke).

In fact most things (H1Bs, NAFTA, etc.) have only hurt. Protectionism isnt the answer either.

So far I havent heard any proposed solution that will change this slide into (at the best) being a second tier economy. "

father bob wrote on Sep 28, 2009 3:33 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 27, 2009 9:13 PM:
" Obama not only doesn't believe in Amerian exceptionalism, he believes America is the great evil and that we must be punished and diminished. He destroys the effectiveness of our intelligence agencies and pays lip service to the needs of our military.

Out of a distorted ideology, he gives aid and encouragement to our enemies. He blindly advocates the agenda of a political philosophy that without exception has failed miserably in every venue it has been tried. But radicals like him with their extremist views cannot be bothered with reality, they are obesessed with sick fantasies and delusions of grandeur.

He and his ilk are infected with a terrible sickness called progressivism, and there is only one way to stop the damage they do. Defeat them and do it so decisively that the madness never again rears it's ugly head.
__________________ """""

que rod serling and music..... "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 29, 2009 6:32 AM:

" The change that is needed is a change in attitude BPS from seeing things from a US perspective (which includes your comment about becoming a 2nd tier economy) to seeing things globally (where it is all one economy). The same goes with health care (it is a world wide/global issue) not just a US issue. Lest people scream world domination/socialism/communism etc. I'd like to remind them that the last two major disease issues originated in "3rd" world areas where disease jumped from animal to man and then spread around the world before people figured out what was happening. The economy/banking systems/financial markets are ALL global and were brought to the brink of collapse by a few greedy undisciplined Americans. Ethnic/religious hatreds don't respect man drawn boundaries. Neither does pollution, poverty, disease, and all the related problems they spawn. Obama has grasped this point and is changing policies/moving the country to "Think globally and act locally." "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 AM:

" Fox needs to install a lie detector on Hannity and Beck.

What a joke HP!! If you put one on Bongo, it would break from all the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

father bob wrote on Sep 30, 2009 2:58 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 29, 2009 10:44 AM:
" Fox needs to install a lie detector on Hannity and Beck.

i agree seedy!....you're finally using both of your brain cells. "