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Wednesday, September 9, 2009 8:33 PM CDT
LETTER: Keep health care plan in people's best interest

CLARENCE D. KERSEY, Mattoon

I don’t care if the health reform bill before Congress today was a Republican plan or Obama plan, it is not in the interest of the US citizens.

We do not need a bill over 1,000 pages which no one can read or understand. Our Congress needs to cut out the politics, cut out the lawyer rhetoric and use concise, common sense with bullet point goals. We need to worry about people with no health coverage, our senior citizens that need medical care as they age and shifts in lifestyle that begin in society at a young age.

A health reform bill should list all the above principles as a major goal. The bill should highlight the following as a means to the end:

n Maintain our system of high quality, technology in medical health.

n Supplement and support education and job opportunities in nursing and doctor positions.

n Reform the judicial system for recovery due to medical malpractice and normalcy in test rewards.

n Rein in unjust, usery charges placed on drugs within the US, but not overseas in foreign markets.

n Allow citizens to pick, choose or maintain any health plan.

n Regulate and monitor health insurance companies on fair and equitable requirements on all policies offered.

n Require health plans offered to all citizens be comparable to health plans used by Congress and federal employees.

n See that medical health costs are on an even playing field for all participants across all health insurance plans.

These ideas are simple to state and understand the end result of a health plan for all. The socialized plans in Canada or England do not help or reach the results for all US citizens. They are hurting the people that need medical support.

Congress, please listen to the common folk, do not approve or hurry the Obama plan. This is to important to rush to judgment.

CLARENCE D. KERSEY

Mattoon

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cedric66 wrote on Sep 12, 2009 3:25 PM:

" Obummer won't do that Clarence,because the longer this takes,the people gets to see that he is lying thru his teeth again. He has lied ever since he started campaigning 3 years ago. The quicker he can shove this junk down our throats he can really mess up illegal immigration. He is only thinking about the votes come re-election "

Amber wrote on Sep 13, 2009 1:12 AM:

" Cedric66,Please give us a break! Same ole tune all the time.If you only knew what your talking about----Sounds to me like you hate Mr.Obama ever since day one when he took office.Oh by the way,did you take any of the money he was giving to us poor people? I would bet you did even if you do dislike him."GREED" "

JWT wrote on Sep 13, 2009 8:52 AM:

" The insurance companys want us to feel sorry for them. I say to hell with them. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 13, 2009 3:01 PM:

" " Cedric66,Please give us a break! Same ole tune all the time.If you only knew what your talking about----Sounds to me like you hate Mr.Obama ever since day one when he took office.Oh by the way,did you take any of the money he was giving to us poor people? I would bet you did even if you do dislike him."GREED" "

COOL down there young lady. Sounds like you are getting nervous about something!! It's really people like you that wants to take stuff that other people have worked for because you want it all without working. By the way, Yes I do hate Bongo ears and anybody else that trys to overtake our country. "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 13, 2009 5:55 PM:

" kersey wants a "simple" law with bullet points and amont others suggests
"n Reform the judicial system for recovery due to medical malpractice and normalcy in test rewards."

So is he dense enough to think a simple statement like this would accompoish his purpose. Laws, health care or whatever else, are not ordinarily written in simple bullets.

Perhaps he's simply naieve but my son is a lawyer and I want to assure K
that 1,000 page documents are routine in the practice of law. "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 13, 2009 5:57 PM:

" cedric 55:"By the way, Yes I do hate Bongo ears ......."

....particularly if they are black???? "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 13, 2009 7:38 PM:

" Based on what's coming out of seedy you must have pulled her finger, Amber. lol! "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:37 PM:

" particularly if they are black???? "

or like you BOY!!! "

Jim1969 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:19 AM:

" Posted by Cognitus: "Perhaps he's simply naieve but my son is a lawyer and I want to assure K
that 1,000 page documents are routine in the practice of law. "

----------------------------
Very true, but it is also true that they often do not need to be. Most people are not lawyers and laws can be written clearly and concisely where anyone with a high school education can understand them easily. There is not any reason to have 20 pages that when boiled down say "If you are found guilty of murder you will go to prison for 20 years to life." "

father bob wrote on Sep 14, 2009 9:14 AM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:37 PM:
" particularly if they are black???? "

or like you BOY!!! """""

coles county's finest! "

father bob wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:17 PM:

" interesting that no one has said a word about president bush's Medicare Part D fiasco which has cost the seniors of this country a few trillion or so....

and forget the "gang of six"...

Following the president's speech last week, Max Baucus announced that he is more amenable to a public option. A bill will be forthcoming, he said.

Two points:

1. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor, questioned on his blog last week why the "Gang" had so much power.

The three Democrats, he said, from low population states including Montana and New Mexico, represent just over 1 percent of the population; the three Republicans come from states that account for 1.6 percent. Who anointed them? Is that transparency?

2. Baucus has received major contributions from health care and insurance interests.

According to the Sunlight Foundation, he has received $2.7 million from health care business interests and $1.17 million from insurance companies in recent years. And in the past election cycle, only 5 percent of his donations have come from the state of Montana, the remainder being contributed by interested parties, primarily finance, health care and insurance companies.

When the bill is revealed, watch the next steps carefully. Senate and House must agree to pass one bill. Democrats and Republicans in both houses will be fighting it out. You know who will be speaking for the drug companies and the insurance conglomerates. Who will speak for you? "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:28 PM:

" It sure as heck not you fb. We have a place for you west of town. You probably feel right at home there!!LMAO "

Becky wrote on Sep 14, 2009 3:41 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:28 PM:

" It sure as heck not you fb. We have a place for you west of town. You probably feel right at home there!!LMAO "

OK, I give up. What the heck are you talking about?....and BOY??? Is that reference really necessary? Or is it that a black man is president today and you really, really HATE the idea of that? Your kind is vanishing (thank the powers that be) and it will be a better world for it. "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 14, 2009 4:59 PM:

" Jim1969:Very true, but it is also true that they often do not need to be. Most people are not lawyers and laws can be written clearly and concisely where anyone with a high school education can understand them easily. There is not any reason to have 20 pages that when boiled down say "If you are found guilty of murder you will go to prison for 20 years to life."
===================================
Don't make a fool of yourself. Yes the statement re murder is very simple, BUT YOUR STATEMENT IGNORES ALL THE RULES OF COURT PROCEDURE WHICH ALLOWED THE PERSON TO BE FOUND GUILTY OF MURDER.

"Laws can be written clearly so anyone with a high school education can understand them"???
Maybe so BUT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PUTTING ALL ASPECTS OF HEALTH CARE TOGETHER, THERE ARE MANY DETAILS THAT MUST BE SETTLED -- AND IF NOT SETTLED IN THE ORIGINAL LAW, THEY WILL LATER BE SETTLED IN COURTROOM INTERPRETATION".

In some of the cases my son handles, a billion dollars is at issue. If you think those issues can be understood by a high school boy, then explain to me why a hearing at The Hague is being scheduled re an electric generating plant in Brazil.

AND NOW do you think the health care for the entire United States, all cases and complications, is simpler than building an electric plant.

You are right obviously in your statement that "most people are not lawyers" -- but don't be stupid: IN THE END IT IS LAWYERS AND JUDGES WHO WILL DETERMINE THE MEANING OF WHAT IS WRITTEN. "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Cedric66:" Yes I do hate Bongo ears"

Well the other night Wilson claims he got so carried away emotionally that he just blurted out "LIAR" before
he could control himself.

So if you -- as usual -- are "carrying" and were present where Obama was present and he made a statement with which you did not agree,
would you ..... lose control of yourself??????????????? "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:10 PM:

" Becky:"OK, I give up. What the heck are you talking about?...."

Becky, Cedric, poor fellow, has even his directions confused. I'll bet he thinks the sun comes up in the northwest.

I lived in Virginia the year Brown v. Board of Education was decided by the US Supreme Court, and I know how filled with rage those are who hate the world and everything black within it and are impotent to change anything.

So why don't we ignore poor Cedric???
Nothing we can say will cure his mental condition or ease his pain.
Two Prozacs (It helps to treat mood problems such as depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, and panic attacks) and a good night's sleep will be the best we can do for him. "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:16 PM:

" fb:"" interesting that no one has said a word about president bush's Medicare Part D fiasco which has cost the seniors of this country a few trillion or so...."

Indeed.
And isn't it interesting how the right has suddenly become so paranoid about the deficit?? I don't remember ANY of them complaining when GWB DOUBLED the national debt. They just sat back and smiled .. sort of like a grandmother smiles at her grandchild. Children after all can do no wrong in the eyes of a grandmother.

Your comment on the % of the population is something most people do not even think about -- and is one of the most serious blunders of our so-called "democratic" Constitution.

Some would say such a compromise was necessary to get a Constitution ... but there are a few states that we see now we could get along without. I wouldn't miss S Carolina and Joe Wilson, and Alaska could take care of the Palin Pain. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:36 PM:

" Joe Wilson is the only person in that chamber the other night that told the truth. Obama is a bold faced liar. The words don't line up, the numbers don't line up and the silvery-tongued messenger just keeps doing what he does best.
Today we look back on an unparalled, well financed, well planned attack on a free people.
I think we are seeing it happen again, but this time it isn't in planes targeting the Twin Towers or the Pentagon. It's our own President and his minions in Congress that are hell bent on trampling the Constitution that has preserved our freedoms for 233 years, and revamping America into a government controlled socio-state. If we pay attention to what Obama is suggesting in his having authority to control the internet communications under the guise of national security interests, we might even be looking at a dictatorship some not so fine day in the People's Republic of What Used to Be America. "

father bob wrote on Sep 14, 2009 6:39 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:36 PM:

" Joe Wilson is the only person in that chamber the other night that told the truth. Obama is a bold faced liar. The words don't line up, the numbers don't line up and the silvery-tongued messenger just keeps doing what he does best.
Today we look back on an unparalled, well financed, well planned attack on a free people.
I think we are seeing it happen again, but this time it isn't in planes targeting the Twin Towers or the Pentagon. It's our own President and his minions in Congress that are hell bent on trampling the Constitution that has preserved our freedoms for 233 years, and revamping America into a government controlled socio-state. If we pay attention to what Obama is suggesting in his having authority to control the internet communications under the guise of national security interests, we might even be looking at a dictatorship some not so fine day in the People's Republic of What Used to Be America. """""

nice copy and paste seedy.....how do i know? its filled with words you'd never be able to think of, let alone spell correctly. you usually stick to the basic 3-4 letter variety. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 6:53 PM:

" nice copy and paste seedy.....how do i know? its filled with words you'd never be able to think of, let alone spell correctly. you usually stick to the basic 3-4 letter variety. "

Nice try FB, But it doesn't work here.
Better get back to your room. The orderlies are getting ready to count you loonies. Don't forget your MBP's for tonight. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:06 PM:

" Our friend seedy hardly ever credits his sources, fb. Remember the time you forgot to credit a source and our loony friend went bonkers for weeks?

And you're right, it's always to spot what are his thoughts or those he's cut and pasted. The difference is like day and night. One of the advantages of grading papers for a number of years is that you get to know peoples style and can always spot when someone writes something that's not theirs. On occasion we all forget to credit a source, but seedy seems to do it quite regularly. Sort of cheesy, if you ask me. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:58 PM:

" Tea Party protesters trying to tout the size of their march on Washington last weekend have been passing around a photo of a packed National Mall. But the picture is years old.

Politifact asked Pete Piringer, public affairs officer for the D.C. Fire and Emergency Department, if the rally was big enough to fill that space. Piringer said no -- and moreover, the picture can't be from 2009.

I saw one report were they claimed over a million attendees, but in reality has only 70 thousand.

Oh my, looks like the tea naggers got bagged on this one. Outright lying about the size of the crowds and even circulating phony photos. What's next from this bunch of soreheads? "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 14, 2009 9:13 PM:

" New England Journal Of Medicine: Over 70% Of Doctors Back Public Health Care Option....

Hmmmm... that's not what Fox is saying about the doctors. Now who should we believe? Let's see on one hand we have the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine and on the other hand we have the questionable reporting of a fake news channel. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 10:14 PM:

" And you're right, it's always to spot what are his thoughts or those he's cut and pasted. The difference is like day and night. One of the advantages of grading papers for a number of years is that you get to know peoples style and can always spot when someone writes something that's not theirs. On occasion we all forget to credit a source, but seedy seems to

Both of you should not sit down for at least a week. When you do you are sitting on your brains. That is why you think like you do!!! Regular looney!! SEIU IS NEXT "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:32 AM:

" Both of you should not sit down for at least a week. When you do you are sitting on your brains. That is why you think like you do!!! Regular looney!! SEIU IS NEXT "

I suppose this is seedy's response to those calling her out for passing other ideas off as her own. It makes about as much sense as anything else she posts, that is when she uses her own thoughts and not those she "borrows". "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:58 AM:

" This one was so good that I thought it merited reposting, fb.

...you mean the same glenn beck who has a high school diploma, which he barely earned....the same glenn beck who's first wife left him because of his drug addiction? the same glenn beck who's mother and sibling both committed suicide due to manic depressive psychosis? the glenn beck who requested special zoning to build a 6 foot concrete barrier around his home to keep out "demons"? the same glenn beck who had to do through treatment for drun and alcohol addiction?.....that pillar of the rightwing????

Yes, he sounds like just the right guy to be telling our elected leaders what they should be doing. And it's really not to hard to see why he has such an appeal with the tea naggers and other assorted nutballs that make up the bulk of Fox's viewers. Hey, maybe he would be a good choice for Sarah as VP. lol! "

father bob wrote on Sep 15, 2009 9:24 AM:

" an interesting comment from an Aussie acquaintance:

Looking at reporting of the Washington march. The salient facts are there, astroturf, rabid paranoia, bloated numbers. And yet, the impression is left that Obama has a large, principled, grass roots opposition to him and it is somehow legitimate. "

Amber wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:01 AM:

" I suppose this is seedy's response to those calling her out for passing other ideas off as her own. It makes about as much sense as anything else she posts, that is when she uses her own thoughts and not those she "borrows".-----------------------------------------------------------------Harry that Redneck Cedric will never learn nothing.Keep up the good posts Harry,i like reading tours & fb's.------Cedric,get a life & listen to Harry & fb,they will lead you down the right path stupid! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:57 AM:

" Ya gotta love Rush Limbaugh. He always manages to illustrate the idiocy of his fans. Today he played a clip of people making comments about Obama and racism and bigotry. On most of the clips people were pointed out that some of the attitudes towards Obama was no doubt based on racism and bigotry. Of course when he commented he said the left was saying EVERY comment was based on bigotry and racism. To top it off, right in the middle of this, he called Ellen Degeneres Ellen Degenerate. No doubt the irony of this went over the heads of the brain dead ditto-heads, who probably chuckled at that but missed the fact that Limbaugh showed his own bigotry while lamenting the poor misunderstood opposition, and how they are being mischaracterized by the left. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 1:31 PM:

" ACORN is the E. F. Hutton of prostitution

When Acorn talks, Pimps and hookers listen!!!! "

GrampaC wrote on Sep 15, 2009 2:05 PM:

" I wonder if 'internet addiction' is included in the program.
I heard that for FACT there is a rehab for people that use the internet 'compulsively'. Is this a "DISEASE"?
Do they emphasize the 12 step program?
It must be a disease because of physical and emotional distress on the body and mind because of lack of 'the drug'. Watch the clients on this! You will see withdrawal!!!
Maybe everyone here is genetically disposed to having this 'disease'.
Blame it on Microsoft. "

father bob wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 1:31 PM:
" ACORN is the E. F. Hutton of prostitution

When Acorn talks, Pimps and hookers listen!!!! """""

what time's your cross burning seedy? "

The Question wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:18 PM:

" ACORN is nothing, just another target for the haters. Republicans must always have a bte noire, a childish, fairy-tale monster they can point to. When you're actually working to undermine the interests of the poor and middle class, and leave them stuck in unaffordable health care and fraudulent investments, it's all you can do shriek and say, "Look out, forget about all that, the communist, socialist, terrorist, humanist boogeyman is coming to get you and your kids! And he's BLACK!" "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:05 PM:

" ACORN is the E. F. Hutton of prostitution

When Acorn talks, Pimps and hookers listen!!!! "

Another brilliant and well thought out observation from seedy. lol! "

unknownjoe wrote on Sep 15, 2009 7:58 PM:

" So Harry and TQ, it's okay to help finance a house of prostitution using immigrant/slave underage girls, Hispanic even, that threatens them with violence if they don't do what they are told. How much more racist can you get than that! You people are extremely sick and are in need of serious psychological help if you are defending this. This is true investigative journalism, something you espouse to support. Oh, I forgot, since it happens to expose your left flank, then it is just an attack. Get serious! What hypocrisy! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:17 PM:

" Why is it that Illinois' very own Senator Richard Durbin voting against the ending of federal funding for ACORN?

The good catholic boy that Durbin is, I guess Durbin feels that the nefarious and illegal activities ACORN has been involved with is just A-okay with him.

Boy, don't you voters in Illinois expect more out of your congressmen?

I guess not... "

Bps wrote on Sep 15, 2009 10:34 PM:

" father bob wrote on Sep 15, 2009 9:24 AM:
Looking at reporting of the Washington march. The salient facts are there, astroturf, rabid paranoia, bloated numbers. And yet, the impression is left that Obama has a large, principled, grass roots opposition to him and it is somehow legitimate. "
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The media estimates ranged all the way from a low of 50K from the ultra-liberal media to 1.5 million.

Since the DC authorities no longer give any official estimates, guess to really tell you would have had to been there or at least look at some of the hundreds of sites that actually have multiple videos of the event.

But thats right, just keep trying to marginalize the opponents and keep telling yourself there is no real opposition, just a small bunch of old nasty, right wing, raciest, illegitimate haters..

While you and the majority of Dummy-crats have been doing this, the peak bounce from the Presidents nationwide sales pitch has come and gone.

Obamcare, is all the way back to just about where it was before the speech.

45% of all voters favor the plan

52% are opposed

Even worse for your beloved health care take over:

23% Strongly Favor the plan
41% Strongly Opposed

Oh, and just in case you all of a sudden actually care about sources- http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/helth_care_reform

Sure wish the LCoO would get a new routine, this illogical ranting and name calling sure is getting old. "

jrhendren wrote on Sep 16, 2009 12:03 AM:

" father bob wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM:
" cedric66 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 1:31 PM:
" ACORN is the E. F. Hutton of prostitution

When Acorn talks, Pimps and hookers listen!!!! """""

what time's your cross burning seedy? "

You really need to get some help for your hatred you have. Why does it always have to be a race issue, even when race has nothing to do with it? I mean surely you can do better then that. "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 16, 2009 12:14 AM:

" "But thats right, just keep trying to marginalize the opponents and keep telling yourself there is no real opposition, just a small bunch of old nasty, right wing, raciest, illegitimate haters...."

Yes, that's EXACTLY RIGHT! That's the only thing you had correct in your entire post. Now, I'm sure Faux News always is fair and balanced, right? So, ok, so what if they misrepresent the numbers of their rally to make themselves appear to have more stregnth in numbers? Ok, I get it. But what would be their reaction (in a fair and balanced way, of course) to other rallies not supporting their talking points?

Quotes from Fox News aimed at Democratic Rallies....

"You won't see that on a lot of the main-stream media media coverage. This is what it's about. It was a BIG TEMPER TANTRUM and that's all the left has to offer". (Michelle Malkin, in 2007, speaks about an anti-war protest rally in the capital)

"The President was called every name in the book, from a terrorist to the Fuhrer. If you really believe what you're saying, then you need to distance yourself from the extremists that were running this thing" (Hannity speaking about his feelings of a protest in 2005).

On the other hand, their commentary on the right-wing recent protest in D.C. 9/12 (which also had a lot of imagery of our current President as a terrorist and as Hitler) was described as "WOW, UNBELIEVABLE! Look at this crowd!" and "...a big turnout". Glenn Beck, the poster boy of the most extreme nutcases (is he going to have any advertisers at the end of the year?) claims he was amazed at how "peaceful they are for how angry they are". Surprised he didn't start crying again.

Hannity of course said to a couple that they should be proud of themselves...standing for freedom and liberty..". Good thing that Hannity distanced himself from those nutcases to have a fair and balanced report! (yea, right, I have a bridge to sell you). "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 12:25 AM:

" Recently there was an AP story out titled "Palin says Obama health care plan is 'evil'.

In it she says "The America I know and love is not the one which my parents or baby with Downs syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgement of their level of productivity in society wheather they are worthy of health care. Such a sytem is downright evil".

The AP story went on to say the "nonpasrtisan group FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, says Palins claims are false and the Democrats have dismissed her claims as a distortion.

Turns out that FactCheck, which is referred to and commonly used by this administration as proof of their words, is a product of the Annenberg Foundation.

Does the Annenberg Foundation ring a bell? It did with me.

Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge which is a division of the Annenberg Foundation. The one and the same Foundation who had another familiar name connected to it.

None other then Bill Ayers! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:35 AM:

" So Harry and TQ, it's okay to help finance a house of prostitution....

Sorry to dissapoint you joe, I can't speak for my friend TQ, but I have never condoned illegal activity from any organization, either political party, unions or businesses. You assume too much with that comment.

Glean my comments all you want, but I don't think you can honestly say I have ever espoused support for anything illegal.

My comments regarding ACORN were merely making the observation that they, like any large organization, appear to have some corruption going on. The reaction of the right wing, particularly Fox news seems to be a bit of an overkill, but that's nothing new. No doubt they will milk this story for weeks to come, just like they always do when it's an issue they can link to the Democratic party. Do you dismantle an entire organization because of the rogue activities of a small bunch of unethical types involved in illegal behavior? Those that break the law should be prosecuted. I hope this cleared up any misinterpretation of my ideas. "

father bob wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:55 AM:

" The Question wrote on Sep 15, 2009 6:18 PM:
" ACORN is nothing, just another target for the haters. Republicans must always have a bte noire, a childish, fairy-tale monster they can point to. When you're actually working to undermine the interests of the poor and middle class, and leave them stuck in unaffordable health care and fraudulent investments, it's all you can do shriek and say, "Look out, forget about all that, the communist, socialist, terrorist, humanist boogeyman is coming to get you and your kids! And he's BLACK!" """"""

TQ, there's one good thing about this whole discussion. at least those godless brown-skinned muslims are getting a break. praise be to Allah! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:04 AM:

" I see the good folks at Fox is throwing a hissy fit, this time it's over ACORN, and the MSM's lack of interest in making an issue over it. Could it be that the real media outlets aren't willing to join the propagandists at Fox in their ongoing efforts to discredit the current administration? I'm sure this issue will gain momentum if it turns out to be more than just a few crooks involved. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:16 AM:

" Glen Beck claims that the crowd of tea naggers in DC was over a million and a half. He states that a University study proves this, but of course he was unable to support this by naming the university. The Fire department in DC estimated the crowd to be between 60 and 70 thousand. This begs the question: who's more credible, Beck or the DC fire department, who unlike Beck doesn't have a political agenda? Beck gets more outragious by the day, and his ratings grow due to the legion of fans he's picked up since joining Fox, and apparently is their point man for their attack on the current administration. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:31 AM:

" Not to be outdone by Glen Beck, right wing pundit and blogger Michelle Malkin estimated the DC crowd at 2 million. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:37 AM:

" In his Wall Street Journal column, Karl Rove attacked the idea of using the budget reconciliation process to pass health care reform with a simple majority of Senate votes, referring to the procedure as a "parliamentary trick." But as a senior adviser in the Bush White House, Rove supported the use of reconciliation to pass major Bush administration initiatives.
Media matters-

The GOP will look pretty silly if they make a fuss over the use of the reconciliation process, if the Dems resort to that to pass health care reform. Of course it won't be the first time they've shot themselves in the foot over this issue. "

mattoon89 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 11:31 AM:

" Harry Potter, Glen Beck clearly said University of Illinois. I'm not saying U of I said that, but Mr Beck did give a name to the University. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Here's something you won't see on Fox:

President Obama's numbers are back on the rise in Ohio after falling rapidly in recent months, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

In July, the president's approval in the hard-hit state was measured at 49 percent, down 13 points down from May. In Quinnipiac's latest survey, Obama is back up to 53 percent.

The poll also found a general uptick for Democrats in Ohio over the summer, evidencing itself in higher approval ratings and slightly stronger showings for the party's candidates for the U.S. Senate.
(The dreaded) Huffington post-

Oh my, this won't play well at Fox where the bring up Obama's dropping poll numbers about every 5 or 10 minutes. In addition it will be interesting to hear Rush Dimbaugh's spin on this development.

Even though Dimbaugh uses poll information when it supports his ideas, he's quick to down play all polls that don't. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 1:41 PM:

" U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land has thrown out a complaint questioning the president's birth from an Army captain fighting deployment to Iraq and gave a warning to her lawyer, birther maven Orly Taitz.

Land also put attorney Orly Taitz, who represents Capt. Connie Rhodes and is a leader in the national "birther" movement, on notice by stating that she could face sanctions if she ever files a similar "frivolous" lawsuit in his court.
Huffington post-

Poor Orly! Rebuked once again. Maybe she cold get a job counting heads at the tea nagger events. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 7:02 PM:

" mattoon89, you could be right. What I saw was a clip of Beck making that comment. When the commentator asked him which university he said that he couldn't remember. Perhaps what you saw was differnet clip that what I saw.

I put this message on earlier but it never came up. Sorry if it does. "

Bps wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:21 PM:

" Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 16, 2009 12:14 AM:
Yes, that's EXACTLY RIGHT! That's the only thing you had correct in your entire post. Now, I'm sure Faux News always is fair and balanced, right? So, ok, so what if they misrepresent the numbers of their rally to make themselves appear to have more stregnth in numbers? Ok, I get it. But what would be their reaction (in a fair and balanced way, of course) to other rallies not supporting their talking points?
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My, you must have gotten out of the bed on the wrong side. Apparently your obsession with Fox or fear of those nasty right-wing bogey-persons must keep you up late and make you grumpy.

Oh well, thanks for your opinions, lets see, how to respond.

Hum, Since you dont bother to show the factual source or the process you used to discern that ol Bps is wrong in everything but my sarcasm, Ill try to be a little simpler in my response- lets try this:

Point 1- My post was in clarification to fbs post and in effect said the values ranged from 50K to 1.5 million.

It did not imply anything, it was a statement. I in fact have no clue how many were there. I do have the opinion based upon viewing several different web videos and multiple web sources that it was in the high hundreds of thousands at a minimum. But, since there is no official estimate anymore, every estimate is suspect (even mine).

Point 2- To disprove bps continuing whining marginalization and demonization of the opposition, the current legitimate polling information about how citizens as a whole support or disagree with the most current point of continuation- Obamacare would be a legitimate method to determine how factual his tiresome rabid attacks might be.

A majority in opposition would disprove bps assertions and your implication that the group in question is as small and meaningless as the entire LCoO continually states.

Strange thing, the facts does indicate that a substantial number of your fellow citizens oppose Obamacare. In fact a majority of them do.

Oh, the polling data is sourced from the polling organization that has a proven track record of their polls being closest to the actual results in the last few elections. Probably a little more accurate than some lemmings regurgitations of meaningless talking points.

Point 3- As to your rant on Fox News, then dont buy stock in them, purchase products from their sponsors or watch/listen to them. The same Constitution that supports yours and my free speech also supports their freedom of the press.

Funny thing, their ratings are blowing away the compition and have been for a significant period of time so they must be doing something right. With that said I dont trust them any more than any other source. I take the time to do my own research and try to determine the facts on my own. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:54 PM:

" I SEE THAT "BLAGO" is starting to do some talking!! Does it go all the way back to Bongo Ears?? We'll find out! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:04 PM:

" Both the DC police and fire departments estimated the DC crowd at between 60 and 70 thousand. That's a far cry from the estimates coming from the raging lunatic Glen Beck (1.5 million plus) or the equally nuts Michelle Malkin (2 million).

One group of tea naggers got busted for putting out a 10 year old picture as one of that event. Not a peep out of Fox Noise on that one.

Funny how Fox news didn't make such an issue this time as they did with the questionable numbers cited for the Million Man March. hmmm... No they didn't, they stand by while one of their pundits continues to push these grossly exaggerated crowd totals.

Remember when Fox was doing everything it could to downplay the crowd sizes for Obama?

Oh yeah, no slant on Fox, fair and balanced. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:24 PM:

" RASMUSSEN POLL: OPPOSITION TO OBAMA-CARE HITS HIGHEST LEVEL YET.

(Sept 15 2009) One week after President Obama's speech to Congress, opposition to his health care reform plan has reached a new high of 55%. The latest Rasmussen Reports daily tracking poll shows that just 42% now support the plan, matching the low first reached in August.
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Obama has not offered any new arguments for months on health-care reform. In fact, his White House press office announced that Obama would have his own plan launched before the speech, which has yet to materialize.

And on the seventh day since Barack Obama gave The Word to a joint session Congress, the voters have seen ObamaCare and pronounced it .... not good. Well played Barry. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:06 PM:

" OH MY! WHITE HOUSE THROWS CARTER UNDER THE BUS ON RACE COMMENTS

CBSNEWS (Sept 16 2009) "The president does not believe that that the criticism comes based on the color of his skin," Gibbs said. "We understand that people have disagreements with some of the decisions that we've made and some of the extraordinary actions that had to be undertaken by this administration and previous administrations to stabilize our financial system, to ensure viability of our domestic auto industry."
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Say. In light of Barry's fresh tire tracks across Jimmy's back; isn't this one of those famous "teachable moments" for all you fringe uber-Lib screwballs who just can't help but knee-jerk the race card against the myriad of criticisms towards your beloved political Messiah? Well yes. I believe it is. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:08 PM:

" POLL: ONLY SMALL FRINGE (12%) SAY OPPONENTS OF OBAMA-CARE ARE RACIST

RASMUSSEN (Sept 16 2009) Only twelve percent (12%) of voters nationwide believe that most opponents of President Obama's health care reform plan are racist. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 67% of voters disagree, and 21% are not sure.

Eighty-eight percent (88%) of Republicans reject the notion that most of the opponents are racist. So do 78% of voters not affiliated with either major party. However, just 39% of Democrats share that view. Twenty-two percent (22%) of those in the president's party say that most of the opposition to his plan comes from racists, and another 39% are not sure.
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Statistical evidence that the hardcore liberals in here are not only outside the mainstream view, but are in fact, part of a small fringe group of radical moonbat fruitcakes. What a surprise- eh folks. Keep playing the race card screwballs- it should make the impending Democrat blood bath in the 2010 elections all the sweeter. "

Cognitus wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:08 PM:

" cedric55:"Both of you should not sit down for at least a week. When you do you are sitting on your brains."

The great thing about cedric is that his wise comments always adavnce the logic of the argument...... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 10:32 PM:

" *SHHHHH* DON'T TELL ANYONE- THE RACE CARD IS POLITICAL SUICIDE FOR THE LEFT

Victor Davis Hanson (Sept 16 2009) The voter that Obama needs to keep (perhaps dubbed a "clinger") will look at these incidents far differently than a CNN or MSNBC commentator, and wonder what might have happened had a Bush czar (Van Jones) claimed blacks were racial polluters or prone to kill, or had a white country-western male singer stolen the mike from a small young black woman to praise another white country singer.

So there will be a class distinction in how these incidents are seen and it will result in the media elite alleging white racism at exactly the same time the blue-collar voter will draw the exact opposite lesson from the wider cultures weekly news.
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Yes indeed. Professor Hanson is absolutely correct. And to that end, I want to encourage all of you unhinged Left-Wing Race baiting wing-nuts to *increase* your baseless accusations of racism against all criticism of Barry Hussein Obama.

In fact, I triple-dog-dare you. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Sep 16, 2009 11:05 PM:

" According to Rasmussen Polls 55% are against Obama's health care plan.

Former President Jimmy Carter said recently that the reason why people are against Obama's health care plan is because they are racist.

So look around tomorrow at the people you come into contact, and with Carter's logic, realize that for every 2 people you meet, 1 is a racist.

And there you have it, LIBERAL DEMOCRAT HATEFUL GROUPTHINK at it's finest. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 17, 2009 9:28 AM:

" I have to wonder where Failin Palin's at on this issue.

Oh yeah, so far her contribution is some mumbo jumbo about Obama wanting to kill granny and her child.

I guess that when it come to health care reform, Sarah quit again.

Or perhaps she's busy huddling behind closed doors preparing those lawsuits she's been threatening against anyone who's dared to criticise her or her ignorant ideas, which includes about half of the good people of Alaska. "

jayce wrote on Sep 17, 2009 12:56 PM:

" I read an excellent definition of liberal thought and reasoning the other day......quote "When liberals can't argue the facts, they resort to name calling and defamation of character and raceism." Excellent, don't you think? "

jayce wrote on Sep 17, 2009 2:41 PM:

" I wrote this once before but maybe, just maybe it will go thru now. I readavery good definition of a liberal on another website---quote "When liberals can't argue the facts, they resort to name calling and defamation
of character and yelling raceism". "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 17, 2009 5:23 PM:

" Let's face it Harry, the Demonrats have never been good with numbers. Math is not their strong suit. Remember the votes in Florida? Remember Obama continually saying the Healthcare Reform Bill won't increase the debt one dime? Nazi Pelosi probably even thinks her poll numbers are good.

You can bet those folks up for re-election in 2010 are watching the numbers. Rest assured that many of those using Demonrat math will be abruptly slapped with a correction come November 2010 because the numbers will become indisputably clear.

And the MSM? Just look at their own numbers. And they still believe there
is a reason for their existence.Your days are numbered. You and FB will crying on each other's shoulder!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 17, 2009 7:38 PM:

" jayce wrote on Sep 17, 2009 12:56 PM:

" I read an excellent definition of liberal thought and reasoning the other day......quote "When liberals can't argue the facts, they resort to name calling and defamation of character and raceism." Excellent, don't you think? "

So I guess you're saying all of the tea naggers were liberals? "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 17, 2009 7:44 PM:

" You can bet those folks up for re-election in 2010 are watching the numbers. Rest assured that many of those using Demonrat math will be abruptly slapped with a correction come November 2010 because the numbers will become indisputably clear.

Yeah right, seedy. And the Cubs are gonna win the World Series next year. "

jayce wrote on Sep 18, 2009 12:27 PM:

" No the teabaggers as you call them are NOT liberals. I suggest fb that you and HP go look in a mirror along with some others who resort to name calling like 2nd or 3rd graders. The ones going to the rallies are those who have had it up to here with people taking away some of our freedoms and putting us deeper and deeper in debt....like the currant congress and the WH and the czars whose character and politics are questionable.
The people attending the rallies are repubs and dems and independants...black and white. "

The Question wrote on Sep 18, 2009 3:41 PM:

" "Currant congress?" "Raceism?"
Your opinions such topics as the current Congress and racism might carry more weight if you learned basic English spelling, Jayce. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 18, 2009 4:38 PM:

" "empty headed"

Therein lies the affliction handicapping liberals. There seems to be very little that we can do to help them overcome this serious challenge except to educate them.

The great challenge there is that most of them do not want to learn!
A perfect example of this is Harry Potter and FB!!!!!!!! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 19, 2009 9:49 AM:

" (The Question wrote on Sep 18, 2009 3:41 PM:
Your opinions such topics as the current Congress and racism might carry more weight if you learned basic English spelling, Jayce."
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"Your opinions (?) such topics as the current Congress..."

In your haste to claim undue credit for the "spellcheck" feature of your browser, did you omit something from your sentence- Grammar Queen?

Well yes. Yes you did. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:47 PM:

" I've seen a lot of pics of the tea naggers, and have yet to see a black face. Why is that? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 12:15 PM:

" "I've seen a lot of pics of the tea naggers, and have yet to see a black face. Why is that?"
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Because Harry, you're a race-baiting delusional Liberal hypocrite suckling at the teat of the Fringe-media. You see what MSNBC, CNN, and the Nutworks want you to see- nothing more nothing less. You frequent the echo-chamber of Left-Fringe web-sites like HuffPo, TPM, DailyKos and the DemUnderground. And if you are shown any evidence contrary to their lock-step meme, you reject it as false (or more often than not) you simply ignore it outright. See how delusional you are Harry? Of course you don't. Now let's see your reaction to this. "

cleo wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:06 PM:

" We need to control the utilization of testing procedures to keep help care costs in line, to protect the patients from unnecessary irradiation, and to not allow physicians to self-refer to make money only and not to improve quality. The virtual colonscopy was designed to be used in cases where a standard colonoscopy might result in a bad patient outcome or the patient could not tolerate the standard procedure. Now the virtual colonscopy is first done with a questionable, unsubstantiated diagnosis ( not described in the literature) and then the patient has a standard colonscopy. Two tests are not better than one. Who is making the money off of the two tests? We need to follow the money. "