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Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:12 PM CDT
Obama urges Congress to reform health care system



WASHINGTON (AP) — Shaking off a summer of setbacks, President Barack Obama summoned Congress to enact sweeping health care legislation Wednesday night, declaring the “time for bickering is over” and the moment has arrived to protect millions who have unreliable insurance or no coverage at all.

Obama said the changes he wants would cost about $900 billion over decade, “less than we have spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and less than the tax cuts for the wealthiest few Americans” passed during the Bush administration.

In a televised speech to a joint session of Congress, Obama spoke in favor of a provision for the federal government to sell insurance in competition with private industry. But in a remark certain to displease liberals, he did not insist on it, and said he was open to other alternatives that create choices for consumers.

Obama said he remains ready to listen to all ideas but added in a clear reference to Republicans, “I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it’s better politics to kill this plan than to improve it.”

In an unusual outburst from the Republican side of the House chamber, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., shouted out “You lie” when the president said illegal immigrants would not benefit from his proposals. The president paused briefly and smiled, but from her seat in the visitor’s gallery, first lady Michelle Obama shook her head from side to side in disapproval of the interruption.

In general, the president shied away from providing lawmakers with a list of particulars he wants to see included in the legislation, and there was nothing in the speech to invite comparisons with Bill Clinton’s pen-waving veto threat more than a decade ago on health care.

Obama’s speech came as the president and his allies in Congress readied an autumn campaign to enact his top domestic priority. Republican opposition, contentious town hall meetings and drooping polls have contributed to their woes. An AP-GfK survey hours before the speech showed public disapproval of Obama’s handling of health care has jumped to 52 percent, an increase of 9 percentage points since July.

While Democrats command strong majorities in both the House and Senate, neither chamber has acted on Obama’s top domestic priority, missing numerous deadlines leaders had set for themselves.

In a fresh sign of urgency, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., announced that his Senate Finance Committee would meet in two weeks to begin drafting legislation, whether or not a handful of Democrats and Republicans have come to an agreement. The panel is the last of five to act in Congress, and while the outcome is uncertain, it is the only one where bipartisanship has been given a chance to flourish.

Obama said there is widespread agreement on about 80 percent of what must be included in legislation. Any yet, criticizing Republicans without saying so, he added: “Instead of honest debate, we have seen scare tactics” and ideological warfare that offers no hope for compromise.

“Well, the time for bickering is over,” he said. “The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action.”

“I am not the first president to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last,” he added.

The president was alternately bipartisan and tough on his Republican critics. He singled out Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., for praise at one point. Yet, moments later, in a line apparently aimed at McCain’s former running mate, Sarah Palin, Obama accused Republicans of spreading the “cynical and irresponsible” charge that the legislation would include “death panels” with the power to hasten the death of senior citizens.

In one gesture to Republicans, Obama said his administration would authorize a series of test programs in some states to check the impact of medical malpractice changes on health insurance costs.

Responding on behalf of Republicans, Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La., said the country wants Obama to instruct Democratic congressional leaders that “it’s time to start over on a common-sense, bipartisan plan focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality.”

“Replacing your family’s current health care with government-run health care is not the answer,” said Boustany, a heart surgeon.

In a reflection of the stakes, White House aides mustered all the traditional pomp they could for a president who took office vowing to change Washington. The setting was a State of the Union-like joint session of Congress, attended by lawmakers, members of the Cabinet and diplomats.

The House was packed, and loud applause greeted the president when he walked down the center aisle of the House chamber.

Additionally, the White House invited as guests men and women who have suffered from high costs and insurance practices, seating them near first lady Michelle Obama. Vicki Kennedy, the widow of Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., was also on the guest list. Kennedy, who died last month, had made health care a career-long cause, and Obama spoke movingly of his efforts.

Obama intends to follow up the speech with an appearance Saturday in Minneapolis, the White House announced.

Despite deep-seated differences among lawmakers, Obama drew a standing ovation when he recounted stories of Americans whose coverage was denied or delayed by their insurers with catastrophic results.

“That is heartbreaking, it is wrong, and no one should me treated that way in the United States of America.”

The president sought to cast his own plan as being in the comfortable political middle, rejecting both the government-run system that some liberals favor and the Republican-backed approach under which all consumers buy health insurance on their own.

Obama said the legislation he seeks would guarantee insurance to consumers, regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, as well as other protections. “As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most,” he added.

The president assured those with insurance that “nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have.”

Obama also said the legislation he seeks would help those who lack insurance to afford it. “These are not primarily people on welfare,” he said in a line that appeared aimed at easing concerns among working-class voters. “These are middle-class Americans.”

The president also said he wants legislation that “will slow the growth of health care costs for our families.”

Obama said a collective failure to meet the challenge of overhauling health care for decades has “led us to a breaking point.”

The so-called government option that Obama mentioned has emerged as one of the most contentious issues in the monthslong debate over health care, with liberal Democrats supporting it and many moderates inside the party opposed. An early draft of Baucus’ plan calls for an alternative consisting of nonprofit co-ops. Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, the Republican who seems most inclined to cross party lines on the issue, favors a different approach, consisting of a standby in which the government could sell insurance if competition fails to emerge in individual states.


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cedric66 wrote on Sep 9, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Everyone is supposed to give up now and succomb to "O's" wishes. What a phoney and Commie he is!!!! "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 10, 2009 1:01 AM:

" You obviously have not a clue Cedric what a Commie is...

Obama gave an empassioned and powerful speach that clearly outlined the reform needed NOW for this country. The Republican "rebuttle" was given by a man already discredited by his record; blatantly spreading falsehoods in an effort to push his own agenda. He not only is disillusioned that he could be "Lord" Bouchany, he still believes Obama was not born in the U.S. as shown in a video this summer. He's a surgeon who was taken to court for committing malpractice THRICE obviously needs an operation to open his ears, as he clearly didn't listen to (or read the transcript of before the speech) our President's message. The President clearly stated the plan proposed would NOT replace your current health care plan.

We the people need to speak out against the fear mongerers, the closet (and blatant!) racists who would rather our country fail and they go down shooting than follow through with real reform. Whomever dies with the most money in their pockets is a very sad man indeed. "

Jim1969 wrote on Sep 10, 2009 4:37 AM:

" All or nothing. This seems to be the approach Obama is taking on this issue. He wants a complete bill.

What I don't understand, is why not put together a series of bills. In the first one put in those things that are pretty well agreed upon like eliminating pre-existing conditions, or dropping people when they become too sick, etc. Also if they (government) really wants people to have a choice and foster real competition they should make it so health insurance can be bought and sold across state lines. "

Hammbone wrote on Sep 10, 2009 7:03 AM:

" I'm with Joe Wilson; YOU LIE! Who the hell does this president think he is? Tring to force his way of thought. "

father bob wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:19 AM:

" cedric66 wrote on Sep 9, 2009 9:49 PM:
" Everyone is supposed to give up now and succomb to "O's" wishes. What a phoney and Commie he is!!!! """""


the words of a mindless lemming seedy...how funny you are!

we'll give you the stage. break down the speech in detail and give us your alternative ideas. we'll all await your words of wisdom.... "

father bob wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Hammbone wrote on Sep 10, 2009 7:03 AM:
" I'm with Joe Wilson; YOU LIE! Who the hell does this president think he is? Tring to force his way of thought. """""


same with you hammbone.....give us your alternatives. we're listening. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 10, 2009 9:43 AM:

" Traveling Circus, your post at l:01 was about the best one I've seen on this issue. The lies and distortions being thrown around by the opposition are beyond reprehensible. It's pretty telling when people have to resort to these tactics. And as far as Joe Wilson goes, I guess he's part of the "new" GOP. "

just wondering wrote on Sep 10, 2009 10:30 AM:

" Circus, you have no idea what a racist is. Any time someone disagrees with our current president and speaks against his ideas and wishes he is a racist. That is nonsense. We sat and listened to the left wingers bash the administration and call them every name they could think of. Basicly we learned from people like you. We thought that was the way to speak about the president. I have nothing against Obamas race, I don't like his politics. "

All The Way wrote on Sep 10, 2009 1:24 PM:

" I watched the speech last night and I have some questions. First off, I am glad to see that we now only have 30 mil. uninsured not 47 mil., according to the president. But to my questions: If he was talking about HR3200, which is the only plan before congress at the moment, he was full of errors. If he was talking about some other plan I would like to see it before I form an opinion.I don't believe anything he mentioned was on a proposed bill anywhere. He said the cost would be 900 billion but would not add to the debt or deficit, how is that possible? He mentioned cutting the waste in Medicare and Medicaid, which hasn't been able to happen in 45 years, but aside from that, why doesn't he do it now if it is that simple? He said only 5% of the population would need to be on the public option and no one would be forced into it yet the opening pages of HR 3200 show that to be untrue. Again, that is the only thing I can look at to form an opinion. He said he is open to all ideas yet the opposition gets shut out whenever an idea is brought forward, how open is that?

There are others but I hope I got my point across. If anyone has legitimate answers to these questions I would love to see them. "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 10, 2009 1:31 PM:

" Thanks HP....I probably won't get here much but frankly I'm so sick of being silent to be "polite". Mom always taught me it wasn't polite to talk politics, so I've kept my mouth shut and let the loud mouth fear- mongerers to take over. No more. Just a personal goal of mine, I suppose. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 10, 2009 2:07 PM:

" Awesome Traveling, agreed! Cedric as I have said time and time again, I'm a socialist. I'm closer to being a "commie" "pinko" than Obama will ever be. my only problem with communism is you can never have true equality (and a dictator takes over and never turns over power to the people like Marx wanted) but you can have equity, complete equity. SO PEOPLE LISTEN TO ME OBAMA ISN'T A SOCIALIST, NOR A COMMUNIST, its insulting to me as a socialist libertarian. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 10, 2009 2:17 PM:

" They don't have any ideas, fb. Just hot air. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 10, 2009 2:21 PM:

" You're welcome, TC. I would encourage you to post more often. It's always good to see new posters, especially those with good questions and the ability to communicate their ideas in an articulate manner. "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 10, 2009 2:33 PM:

" Just Wondering: I absolutely do know what being racist is; try living in a large, urban city and you'll quickly understand when you're the minority what racism is all about. It's all about FEAR. Fear of someone who is different from you because of the way that they look. Websters defines it as "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race". In this very white-bread community, where very little diversity is available, fear runs rampant. Not having the President's education message shown in schools? This is FEAR. His speech was online for all to see prior to him speaking to the children.

BTW, you don't know me; although it's obvious I disagreed with the Bush administration on many things, I never disrespected Bush in the manner that the right wingers are going at Obama. In fact, I'd never have had a chance, as Bush made (unconstitutionally, I might add) protesters go to a special "protest area" blocks away from wherever he was speaking so he would never hear any kind of dissent. If you pattern yourself and your behavior after someone else you saw once than that's a shame for you; take responsibility for your own actions and the rest will take care of itself. If you don't like his politics, then certainly state something specific that can be discussed.

All The Way: The President's speech did address where the money is going to come from; and how the savings will be made. (Here 'ya go - in case you missed a few lines) http://tiny.cc/IbUA6

The facts are these:

1) Health care costs are skyrocketing; going up three times as much as your wages. How long can this go on? Some regulations on the industry will bring your costs down.
2) Many Americans don't realize they are paying a "hidden" tax already for people without insurance - about a $1,000/year per insured.
3) Public option doesn't mean "free". It means affordable - and those are premiums that will be paid into the system.
4) Competition will bring costs down. 34 states have less than 5 healhcare insurers, and in Alabama 90% of the health care is purchased through a single company.
5)"But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange. Let me be clear it would only be an option for those who don't have insurance. No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance."
6)"...the public insurance option would have to be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects.". No huge overheads of advertising/CEO salaries and bonuses and kickbacks to everyone from drug companies to doctors who choose not to send you for that test you need. Much easier to provide a lower cost when all these are taken out of the equation (around 30% at least in overhead).
7) The President said that he won't add one dime to the deficit for health care - he'd make cuts in the budget instead. Medical professionals agree that the amount spent on Medicare/Medicaid does not make the population healthier. It is fraught with waste and abuse. One of the abuses (perhaps you stepped out of the room for this one) is that Medicare pays SUBSIDIES to private insurance companies. WHY? This will end, according to this plan. Why hasn't he done any of these changes to date? Because there has to be a law. He doesn't arbitrarily change contract law.
8) "Much of the rest would be paid for with revenues from the very same drug and insurance companies that stand to benefit from tens of millions of new customers. This reform will charge insurance companies a fee for their most expensive policies, which will encourage them to provide greater value for the money an idea which has the support of Democratic and Republican experts. And according to these same experts, this modest change could help hold down the cost of health care for all of us in the long-run."
9) Exploring ideas of reducing frivolous lawsuits so that doctors can take care of patients and not have to practice "defensive medicine" (meaning that tests are ordered you don't need just to "be safe"). This is a very small part of health care costs, but in an attempt to reach across the aisle he's going ahead with this.
10) The price tag of this plan is less than the total cost of the tax cuts given by Bush to the wealthy; hmmm, perhaps he should just bump those back in place and this and many other plans COULD be paid for easily? Didn't hear anyone complain about those.

In any case, he made a very solid case for how it will be paid for. As you can see, I took a lot of time and carefully went back to the source; and did not rely on FAUX news to give me my viewpoint of the day. I wasn't very much on board with what has been kicked around to date for reform, but if it will happen as he proposed last night, than it's a win-win for everyone except the shareholders and CEO's of Blue Cross, etc.

Just saying, "Oh no he didn't" is not really an argument at all. Of course he is going to shut down people who's only goal is to derail this process until it comes to a screeching halt. Those folks waving reams of paper at Obama (very rude, btw) during his speech did not have a viable plan. Obama is genuinely a man who listens to people from many camps to hear all ideas and synthesize them, but wisely dismisses the out-of-bounds attempts to derail. He is focused and we WILL have reform, God willing.

THIS I believe. "

just wondering wrote on Sep 10, 2009 5:40 PM:

" That's right circus I do not know you, same as you don't know me. But calling someone a racist just because they do not agree with Obama's policies is also racist to the extreme. You say you never criticized the last administration, but people in here from your side of the political spectrum took care of that for you. They called Bush everything imaginable and now feel offended when people dare to disagree with their Messiah. Like I said, maybe your voice wasn't heard but your side was well represented. The biggest thing that needs to be done with health care reform is to put some price controls on health care providers and insurers. But since it would hurt the millions of dollars contributed to the politicians this will never happen. If he is serious about health care reform, start there. Drugs manufactured in this country and shipped to other countries sell for one third to one half of what they do in this country. There is no justification for the level of increase in prices from both health care providers and insurance companies. But all the politicians, Obama included, will do nothing to rein them in. Medicare, medicaid, and social security are all going broke. You want the government involved in insurance? They haven't been able to even handle the cash for clunkers, and you want them in charge of insurance? These are things you can see with your own eyes not what someone else "feeds" you as all the liberals scream. Hillary sure has influenced a lot of you with her "vast right wing conspiracy" bs. If the color of Obama's skin would have been my biggest concern, I would have voted for him just to see if he could keep all the promises he made. But seeing the actions he has taken already makes me glad I didn't. "

just wondering wrote on Sep 10, 2009 5:47 PM:

" By the way circus did you notice the article in today's paper entitled Obama drops iffy line on health plan? They didn't put this one on the internet. It tells some of Obamas statements and the tells what is really going on. The facts don't jive on some things. And no, this isn't Fox News reporting. I am sure your fellow left wingers, father bob, question, and harry potter will claim it is. "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 10, 2009 7:04 PM:

" If Democratic senators and congressmen believe that the elderly will recover from their Republican tendencies by Election Day 2010 ... or even by 2012 or 2014, they misjudge their senior constituents.
Maybe they're just hoping the elderly will just hurry up and die off. Or that they can be rationed-to-death via the liberals' current Wish du Jour, Obamacare. After all, under socialism-on-steroids (a.k.a. communism), the elderly are termed "useless eaters". What they conveniently forget is that a market economy needs consumers, as well as producers in order to function.

Their memories are long, and they turnout in huge numbers.
Does not bode well for Reid, now does it?

They will not forget if the Democrats push through cuts in Medicare and then ask for their support in the next election.
You betchum, Red Ryder! "

devilishangel61401 wrote on Sep 10, 2009 7:05 PM:

" Cedric , food for thought, the working definition of "communisim" before any politicians come in and screw up everything is this: communisim is the principal of everyone being equal in every way, a commune style of living the lawyer makes as much as the dairy farmer, the school teacher makes as much as the heart surgeon etc etc. Everyone has the same amount of property, possesions and the like because everything that is owned belongs to the community not to an individual person. Hence the "commune" part of the word "communist" Anyone ever read Walden II?? That entire book is an exmaple of "communisim" the hippie communes in the 60's those were based on "communisim" ( I paid way too much attention in History class last semester apprantly)

As to the speech I thought Obama did a nice job with the speech. Clinton's adminstration tried to pass health care reform and it kept getting so buried under paperwork and politics that it never went anywhere. What I don't understand is why both political parties cannot come to some understanding someplace, meet in the middle. Rather than all or nothing type bills lets get one that serves the most people, helps the most people and is affordable to the most people. We all should remember that our politicians work for us, our taxes pay their salaries, we elect them. I plan to remember how the elected leaders for Illinois vote on health care reform maybe I won't be electing some of them next time they are up for it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:16 PM:

" Last night in his speech Obama said insurance execs aren't bad people, they're just doing to for profit. After the speech, Sean Hannity accused Obama of saying the insurance execs were bad people. Interestingly enough, his guest, Republican pollster Frank Luntz just sat there and let this out and out lie pass. Incredible!

This is the type of political analysis that goes on daily at "Faux" news. Fair and balanced? "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:18 PM:

" Just Wondering: Again, you provide no facts just your opinion; perhaps you can spend some time thinking things through before you spout off.

Your assessment that I consider Obama the Messiah is quite offensive; I only have one Messiah, and that's Jesus Christ. If "my side" was well represented, I find that hard to believe, as Bush and Cheney are still walking around, not being charged with war crimes as they should. Bill Clinton was impeached for getting himself some action on the side; but bringing our entire country to war under false pretenses to fulfill Daddy's fantasy is okey dokey?

I'm actually quite a centrist independent - as many people in this country are. I don't find I totally agree with one party or the other, but I definately lean left - not wacko left, but definately to the left (thanks for asking, haha).

You claim not to like his politics - that's fine. Talk about that. But pulling the president's message because of some unfounded, irrational fear is racism thinly cloaked. Admit it or not, it's there. If you want to discuss actual policy, that's fine; but knee-jerk reactions born of fear are tinged with racism through and through. You said, "If the color of Obama's skin would have been my biggest concern, I would have voted for him just to see if he could keep all the promises he made." What the heck does that mean? That you can't or couldn't believe a black man could lead this country successfully? You admit your predisposition right there. Boy, our country has a LOOONG way to go.

I agree (are you stunned?) that it would be a good idea to incorporate government price controls on the pharmaceutical companies. Charging us three times what they charge Canada is B.S. But it's not the politicians who are mainly fighting this (although there are some that have their pockets lined by this business) - it's the pharmaceutical lobbiests, whose companies are one of the most profitable in the world who don't want to see price control. If you look at his plan, there will be competition, and that will bring the prices down. Perhaps the final plan will reflect something with more strong price controls; one can hope.

P.S. I don't really like Hilary, so it's doubtful she influences me much. I read from news organizations across the globe; not just from Faux news. She's doing a great job though. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:29 PM:

" Not missing a chance to attack the President, Palin once again gets it wrong. On her hourly twitter today, Failin Palin claimed that by comparing the cost of health care to the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama was dishonoring the victims of terror. Apparently Sarah didn't take any courses in logic in any of those 5 colleges she attended. Sarah is in dire need of an advisor with some common sense. Yeah, bring on Sarah in 2012. lol! "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:30 PM:

" Just Wondering: would you care to elaborate on this article? What specific things did it mention that you take umbrage with? (I didn't get the physical paper today, so I have not read that) "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:37 PM:

" Cedric: Well, I hope that seniors have long memories; perhaps they'll remember the inspirational messages of JFK and MLK. Perhaps they'll think/vote with their conscience instead of their fear. Every point you made is dead wrong.
1) Socialism-on-steroids (communism). Well, devilish took you task on that. Perhaps you could hit the history books to study up on that topic and speak of it correctly.
2) The only one talking about knocking off seniors/death panels/rationed care is the right batty winged Re-pubs. President Obama felled that nasty rumor in one sentence. Again, perhaps you were not listening?
2) Again with the cuts in Medicare. I don't think our President could have been any clearer that Medicare is a sacred trust and will not suffer cuts. Perhaps you went out for a snack during that time of the speech.

Please come up with one thing that is actual policy you disagree with, instead of passing off mis-truths and Coulter/Beck/Faux News rejects. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 11, 2009 2:09 AM:

" Now see Cedric you again are dancing around the issue, using reactionary tatics like terms being thrown around like Obamacare. What the heck is that supposed to mean? Its similar to health care in European countries, to which everyone is stupid too, most do have a dual health care system. There is private and public. Also Cedric dance along to the communism arguement. We have wal-mart. We have a country where seven corperations control every coperation in this country. Through investments, product placemnt it doesn't matter. We have a banking system based on profits. Obama made his money off of profits. That is a capitalist principle. News flash by the way as much as I disagree with Adam Smith (Wealth of Nations) would be upset by this version of capitalism. He advocated a world where everyone had a share of profits and where small buisness thrived with open trade. Not an elitist control of the wealth. Soooooooo thank you and good night! "

Hound Dog wrote on Sep 11, 2009 6:41 AM:

" Don't know about the rest of you, but I am now "tone deaf" from all of Obama's speeches on health care changes. He and his cronies have made their final (I hope) pitch - NO SALE!
He is now on record of "looking at Tort Reform" so let's see some action to reduce and control all the medical lawsuits. That would be a start. "

even steven wrote on Sep 11, 2009 10:19 AM:

" Urkel Hussein Carter's speech was nothing but trite expressions and partisan drivel. As usual, he talked and talked and talked yet said nothing. "

just wondering wrote on Sep 11, 2009 10:43 AM:

" Circus, I didn't specificly say that you considered Obama the Messiah. But others who criticized Bush talk as if he is and that is blasphemy to question him. I agree there is only one Messiah. We did not go into Iraq under false pretenses as the left wingers keep spouting. Georges Sada, formerly second in command of Hussein's air force, said there were WMD. According to Sada, hundreds of tons of toxic weapons and delivery systems were transported to Syria while Hussein kept people out of the country prior to the invasion of Iraq. He has written a book entitled Saddam's Secrets. Of course people like father bob, the question, and harry potter call it lie because the know so much more than someone who was actually involved in the military in Iraq. We are so lucky to have them here to keep us informed. And those who think Saddam was not involved in the 9/11 attacks are a few bricks shy a load. Iraq didn't do the actual dirty work but they sent money and aid to accomplish the deeds.
As far as what I meant about voting to see if he could actually keep his promises, had nothing to do with the color of his skin. It had to do with the cost of everything he promised. Even people in the Democratic party said there was no feasable way we could afford to do every thing he promised. But everyone fell for it hook, line, and sinker. He is taking us more and more to a socialistic government. If I wanted that I could move to Russia. That is what I don't like about him. Now I don't know how to explain it with his politics than that.
No I am not surprised that you would agree concerning price controls on the health care industry. Yes it is the lobbiest fighting this. And who do they lobby? Politicians. The politicians give in to the lobbyist and keep things the way the lobbyist wants them too. I blame the politicians for forgetting that they work for us not the lobbyist. Of course the lobbyist stick more money in their pockets and they don't want to give that up. Trouble is there aren't but a handful of politians on either side of the aisle that have the backbone to stand up and do what is right. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 11, 2009 1:00 PM:

" NO SALE?

Hold on there a minute, Hound Dog. I think you're baying at the moon if you think health care reform is a "NO SALE" It's passage is imminent. Soon you'll have to come up with something else to carp about, and I have no doubt you will. If you were honest about it, you were tone deaf from day one with this president. So far Obama has gotten his way on about everything, and it's driving you sorehead losers up a wall. You better stock up on a supply of Palin for President bumper stickers. "

even steven wrote on Sep 11, 2009 1:36 PM:

" Oops... looks like Joe Wilson was right after all. Obama is a liar.

Poor Joe Wilson is being absolutely skewered by the left over his ill-timed outburst against President Obama during his speech Wednesday night. Now Democratic senators are going back to the Baucus bill and fixing what Wilson was screaming about.

That's right. Democrats are proving Obama really is a liar.

Great job, President Pantywaist! "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 11, 2009 2:32 PM:

" It looks like Joe (the liar) Wilson is playing the victim card:

Not to be outdone by his potential opponent for Congress in 2010, Rob Miller, who has raised more than $350,000 since Wilson's now infamous "You Lie" outburst, the congressman has a new video in which he explains his behavior and then goes on to ask for... campaign cash.

"Last night I let my emotions get the best of me on the critical issue of health care," Wilson said in the video. He was sorry for what he did, he explained, but he was also a victim for speaking out against the health care plan and is thus asking people to "Stand with Joe."
Huffington post-

First it was Joe the fake plumber, and now we have Joe the Liar. Here's your chance right wingers, poor old Joe the victim needs the money. lol!

I've yet to see poor Joe fess up to being factually wrong in his despicable shout out. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 11, 2009 2:37 PM:

" You must be confused as usual, even. The senate and the president are not the same people. Would you care to explain how the senate changing a bill equates to Obama being a liar? Or are you still smarting over Wilson being called out for his misinformed rant? "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 11, 2009 4:23 PM:

" Devilsangel good points. It's the politicians who seem to have forgotten who they work for. On PBS they discussed Johnson's actions during his drive for a Medicare bill. It sounds as though it was just as ugly then, same fear mongering, (though not as extreme as today), same cries of socialism and communism. The BIG difference is that Johnson was quite willing to literally twist arms, (he played dirty) and got the job done. Obama is a politician of a different stripe. "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 11, 2009 4:27 PM:

" Just Wondering you and your brethren are the ones that called Obama the Messiah, I never heard any liberal use that term. Far too religious for a good liberals tastes. You seem to confuse legitimate criticism with illegitimate attacks. I haven't heard any liberal object to legitimate criticism. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of legitimate? "

cedric66 wrote on Sep 11, 2009 5:20 PM:

" How about the oldest lady in the world dying! She stated she only voted for Obummer because he was for the black people. Don't you think that is a racist statement to make? "

just wondering wrote on Sep 11, 2009 7:44 PM:

" Susan when it is criticism about you and your friends views, nothing to you is legitimate. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 11, 2009 7:49 PM:

" Ok cedric, did I win? You never responded back to our questions, dancing around the topics you brought up. Just like a government offical. HOW IS OBAMA SOCIALIST OR EVEN COMMUNIST WHEN HE IS TOUTING THE SAME PROGRAMS THAT USED TO BE CALLED LIBERAL? TWO, HOW IS IT GOVERNMENT CONTROL WHEN THERE IS TOO CAMPS, PRIVATE INSURANCE (WHICH IS FREE MARKET)AND STATE INSURANCE TO HELP COMPETITION WHICH IS CAPITALISM! DARN IT! I AM THE RADICAL LEFT I WOULD KNOW, IS ANYTHING I SAY GETTING HEARD? DANCE AND DANCE cedric. "

Amber wrote on Sep 12, 2009 4:28 AM:

" Cedric,Cedric!!Please take the time and read"between the lines!" Now take the time and answer theproletariat87 question he asked you.All you gotta do is respond to the questions.Can you do that or are you really that stupid? oh by the way Harry,i agree with you about Cedric wearing blinders----lol "

Hound Dog wrote on Sep 12, 2009 6:13 AM:

" NO SALE! Pay attention, Potter.
In the 1930's, a man named Hitler, in Germany, took over the banks and other financial institutions, the transportation industry, the health industry, the media, set up a censorship board, brainwashed the schoolchildren, formed his own army and appointed generals (Czars) to help him fulfil his dream of absolute power, and taking over the world. Should your hero, Obama, mention his mentor in his next speech and say that he is not going to make the mistakes that Hitler made? "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 12, 2009 7:53 AM:

" You know that is a lie Just Wondering. So cut the BS. I support honest debate, and legitimate criticism not fear mongering, lies and misinformation. I also support the rights of ALL people (homosexuals and heterosexuals, non-Christians and Christians, women that get abortions and those that choose to have babies, those of different race and ethnicity from me, illegal aliens as well as legal aliens), not just the rights of "my kind". What do you support? "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 12, 2009 5:39 PM:

" Thank you amber "

just wondering wrote on Sep 12, 2009 6:10 PM:

" Tell me of one post on any issue that has disagreed with you that you did not lash back at. Just one. You won't find it. It's like a unicorn, it doesn't exist. For someone who supports the rights of Christians as you say, you sure have bashed them in the past and tried to tell them they were wrong. If that is the way you support someone, please I don't ever want your support. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 12, 2009 6:27 PM:

" Hound Dog wrote on Sep 12, 2009 6:13 AM:

" NO SALE! Pay attention, Potter.
In the 1930's, a man named Hitler, in Germany, took over the banks and other financial institutions, the transportation industry, the health industry, the media, set up a censorship board, brainwashed the schoolchildren, formed his own army and appointed generals (Czars) to help him fulfil his dream of absolute power, and taking over the world. Should your hero, Obama, mention his mentor in his next speech and say that he is not going to make the mistakes that Hitler made? "


It looks like the delusional Glen Beck must be posting on here now.

Good grief, so now the sorehead losers are comparing Obama to Hitler?

I hereby nominate your post on this as the dumbest post of the day, no make that the week. lol! "

Bps wrote on Sep 12, 2009 11:07 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Sep 11, 2009 4:27 PM:
" Just Wondering you and your brethren are the ones that called Obama the Messiah, I never heard any liberal use that term. Far too religious for a good liberals tastes. You seem to confuse legitimate criticism with illegitimate attacks. I haven't heard any liberal object to legitimate criticism. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of legitimate? "
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A sampling of those who made the statements and arent noted as being conservatives:

Oprah-
Barack Obama rally in Des Moines, Iowa-
"I am here to tell you, Iowa, he is the one. He is the one!"


Oct 10, 2008 ... Louis Farrakhan calls Obama 'The Messiah'

Chris Matthews:

"It's part of reporting this case, this election, the feeling most people get when they hear Barack Obama's speech. My, I felt this thrill going up my leg.

Ive never seen anything like this. This is bigger than Kennedy. [Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament.

Time's Nancy Gibbs in the magazine's Nov. 17 cover story:

"Some princes are born in palaces," wrote Gibbs. "Some are born in mangers. But a few are born in the imagination, out of scraps of history and hope."

There are many, many more.

Of course the ultimate one is the current photo from the OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE BLOG photo of Obama portrayed with a halo around his head-

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Photostream-Business-and-Pleasure-in-August/

(in case it is to large a link)
http://tinyurl.com/motpvo "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 13, 2009 12:41 AM:

" Just Wondering: Here's a link to a newspaper I believe most of the right read (well, probably because it doesn't go above a 2nd or 3rd grade reading level); USA Today - stating clearly the report shows NO WMD's!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-06-wmd_x.htm

In a tv interview, Sada admitted he never actually saw the WMD's after the Gulf War....so I'd say his word is pretty well not good for anything. Colin Powell has said there is no reason to believe Syria would help them as they did not have that kind of relationship with Iraq. Of course, Colin Powell (someone I greatly admire) stepped down because of Bush and his lies - he couldn't do it anymore. Condi spoke out against Sada too, saying that he was not credible. If he were, don't you think Bush would've crowed it from the mountaintops with a loud, "I'm RIIIIGGGGHT!". Guess not.

Just because Bush in EVERY speech he gave after that awful day used the words "9-11" and "Iraq" in the same sentence doesn't make it true. The guy in charge of the attacks was and STILL IS Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden has his own money and his own wackos - did not need any piddly money from Iraq even if it came his way. He had his OWN agenda and his OWN discourse, and nothing was going to stop him. Now who is a few fries short of a happy meal?

BTW....Russia is not socialist or communist at the moment, although I'd be happy if a bunch of right-wingers moved there. Check into that - they're not. (pssst - it's a "semi-presidential republic"). Perhaps you'd like to go back in time to live there? Then perhaps you could live under communism. Our president isn't anywhere near Communist ideals - the ideas of making sure everyone has affordable healthcare is SO scary to the right-wing right that they have to make up these scare tactics and out-and-out lies. No more.

Sure there are crooked politicians; there have been since the beginning of time. The fact that the healthcare field has one of the largest, if not THE largest lobbiest groups out there beating down the doors of our congressman is what is happening. After awhile they think that the lobbiests hold the voice of the people. Nope, they hold their own truths self-evident - PROFIT. Anything that gets in their way of making more profit off of denying granny coverage will send them in a tizzy and over the edge. Money = Power. Do poor folks have money? Nope. So they don't have the power either, eh? A wise person once said, "Follow the money, stupid".

Even Steven: Pantywaist? Hmmm...let me see what year YOU were the President of Harvard Law review....or President of the United States and then you can tell me who is the pantywaist. What a ridiculous thing to call Obama. Even moreso (if it's even possible) is the reason for the name-calling; that committees are fine-tuning and making changes to parts of the bill as we speak JUST AS OBAMA SAID THEY WOULD. Wow, how awful a President he is - to have teams of people working for the greater good.

Hound Dog: Comparing Obama to Hitler is just again another disgusting tactic you and your kind are using at the moment. Didn't win an election? Hey, I know - let's sling mud at our leader instead! There is NO indoctrination of children happening; there are no fed-run banks/health industry (ahem - it will still be PRIVATE - weren't you listening to his speech? Oh yes, you probably were busy crying with Glen Beck)/media (actually, the media slants right - too long a topic to cover here!) appointing people to head group discussions and help drive policy (well then every president up to today is now a Nazi).

Lastly, a censorship board? Really? That's a new one - please do tell where you get this little "factoid" from?

Sure wish I were a wacko right-winger some days; it'd be much easier to write these things if I just sat here and MADE STUFF UP as they do. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 13, 2009 12:28 PM:

" No WMD? Maybe.

But this begs the questions: why did the U.N. produce 17 different Resolutions since 1990- demanding that Saddam not only give up or destroy his WMD, but that he also show proof of their destruction?

How could the U.N.'s accounting system of Saddam's WMD stockpiles be that inaccurate?

OR if Saddam DID destroy them- then where exactly did this take place?

Chemical WMD leave trace elements that can be measured for decades. Did the U.N. discover any such sites? If so- then when and where?


Food for thought from NPR (A favorite source for Traveling Circus Clowns the world over):

THE BURDEN IS ON IRAQ - Feb. 14, 2003
The IAEA's ElBaradei and chief weapons inspector Blix report to the U.N. Security Council on Iraqi cooperation in the search for WMD. They say they have not discovered any biological, chemical or nuclear weapons activities. Proscribed missile programs are discovered and disabled. Blix does express frustration with Iraq's failure to account for its vast stores of chemical and biological agents it was known to have at one point.

Blix says:
"This is perhaps the most important problem we are facing. Although I can understand that it may not be easy for Iraq in all cases to provide the evidence needed, it is not the task of the inspectors to find it."
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Oh and did Van Jones get fired by Barry? Hmmmm....I wonder Why?

Hint: B-e-c-k! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 13, 2009 12:58 PM:

" Uhm...Traveling Circus Clown?

Barry was elected to head Harvard's Law Review based on Affirmative Action.

----------

New York Times (February 6, 1990)

"Change in Selection System

Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review's 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review."

SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
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But of course- you could quickly dispel any doubts about Barry's superior intellect by simply..... showing us his pantywaist academic records. Let's start with his grades. Can you show us those, Circus Clown?

No. Of course you can't. Barry won't release them will he, sunshine. No. No he won't.

Isn't that a tad odd- Circus Clown?
Funny that........."circus funny" in fact. "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:09 PM:

" You lie again Just Wondering I have called those that misuse and abuse Christianity to task, those that use the Bible to spread fear and as justification for persecuting others to task. I have never condemned ALL Christians, just the hypocrits, the liars, the cheats, the adulterers, those who like to do unto others but not what they think should be done unto them. "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:11 PM:

" Oh and Just Wondering you didn't answer my question. What do you support? Rights for ALL or just for your own kind? "

shumphreys wrote on Sep 13, 2009 4:25 PM:

" Oh and Just Wondering you were referring to liberals on these threads calling Obama the Messiah. AND that is what I responded to. Liberals here didn't use that term only you folks! The messiah was originally considered to be a political leader who would lead the Jewish people out of their bondage. For some Jesus is and for others he isn't. Obama did fit the definition for many as the man who would save the country from failed Republican policies. But even Obama can't save the US from its own self-destructive tendencies. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:40 PM:

" shumphreys - "Obama did fit the definition for many as the man who would save the country from failed Republican policies. But even Obama can't save the US from its own self-destructive tendencies."
--------------


There you have it kids. Shumphreys admits, Obama IS the Left's political Messiah. The One.

And of course, his dismal one-term failure will never be HIS fault. Oh heavens NO! After all- He's The Messiah. No no no. His failure will be the fault of America- but never HIS. See how that works kids? True messianic devotion from a a true disciple of The One.

Thank you Shumps, for that blithering example of hypocritical double-speak mumbo-jumbo display of colossal ignorance. I expected no less from you. "

Amber wrote on Sep 13, 2009 9:51 PM:

" Cedric,Cedric,I read all the posts put on here and i gotta tell you that yours is the worst!Harry and a few others have told you the same thing in a round about way.I am a 26yr old "black lady" and i swear your posts sounds like you hate black people.I think Mr.obama is trying to do the best he can for the mess he walked into from you white people.The way you get on here and call Mr.obama names is really disgusting.Maybe some day we will meet and can have a chat face to face.I doubt that will ever happen because i can see,your one of those idiots that "HIDE" behind a key board!Oh by the way,you NEVER DID answer theproletariat87 question and we know why stupid."Get a life old one! "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 13, 2009 10:51 PM:

" 7X - wondered when you'd crawl out from under your Republican Rock! Wow, taking to calling me names already. Real nice. Right back 'atcha. Your username - is it even a word? An acronym? Should we perhaps come up with some clever replacement for it? Nah!

Anyway, to address the alleged ISSUES you bring up; the article you site regarding the Harvard Law Review does state exactly what you wrote. In ADDITION, the President of the Harvard Law Review is chosen because of grades AND a writing competition. He was chosen because he was not a "righty" or a "lefty", but had centrist ideas, by one article (NY Magazine) account. Back to your reference - it takes a more educated person and just a TEENSY WEENSY bit more concentration to read FURTHER down the page (I know, it's taxing, but try it) to where it says he EARNED IT BECAUSE OF HIS MERITS.

"Mr. Obama succeeds Peter Yu, a first-generation Chinese-American, as president of The Law Review. After graduation, Mr. Yu plans to serve as a clerk for Chief Judge Patricia Wald on the of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Mr. Yu said Mr. Obama's election ''was a choice on the merits, but others may read something into it.". Of course, Mr. Yu had no idea it'd be 10X - (or whatever your name is) reading into it that Obama got the position by being black. If they'd changed the rules in the 70's...why'd they wait until 1990 to elect Barack? Oh, I know....MERIT. He graduated MAGNA C*M LAUDE (look it up). The only higher honor is suma c*m laude. The stats that year put anyone at magna c*m laude in the top ten percent of their class. Wow, sure doesn't sound like a dummy to me! And, if you read the NY Magazine article, you'll be a better informed righty, instead of just a singular agenda righty.

As for the U.N. and the WMD's, from Sada's own EYEWITNESS experiences (not the "I was told there were WMD's" story) he reports that Saddam planned to re-start as soon as sanctions were lifted. All the WMD's from the Gulf War (for those date-challenged folks that was after 1991) were DESTROYED.

You're giving the responsibility of Van getting fired to Glen Beck? Glen Beck couldn't get my cleaning girl fired, nonetheless someone in the Obama administration. Glen has fallen so far from his once slightly-off-right-of-center position he may as well be a noisy gong in the corner of Faux News. Nothing special - just loud.

LOL...the edit machination on this website caught the word c*m as in "magna c*m laude" as a bad word! Maybe they should try latin some time...it is one of the largest core suppliers of the English language!

Ain't no SUNSHINE when she's gone....hey, I like that name! Sunshine...LOL. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 12:00 AM:

" Earned it because of his merits, Traveling Circus Clown? And what exactly did those "merits" consist of? Obama's grades? Then let's see them. A paper? Then let's see that also.

Harvard Law School had actively been in the middle of an Affirmative Action transition since the 1970's, so how exactly did this effect the grading system of an African American like Obama? Let's see the records and find out, shall we. Oh that's right, Obama won't show us. Strange huh.

Oh and why'd they wait until 1990 to elect Barack? Well Traveling Circus Clown- if your reading comprehension skills and your ability to reach logical conclusions matched your blithering ignorance, you would have noticed this:

"Black enrollment at Harvard Law School, after a dip in the mid-1980's, has reached a record high this year, said Joyce Curll, the director of admissions. Of the 1,620 students in the three-year school, 12.5 percent this year are blacks, she said, and 14 percent of the first-year class are black. Nationwide enrollment by blacks in undergraduate colleges has dropped in recent years." Now then, let me fill in the political blanks for you, Circus Clown:

So after a decline of Black enrollment about 5 years prior, it reached a record high in 1990. Therefore the political climate was ripe for the "First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review". In fact, if it didn't happen (oh horror!) How long would it have been before whispers of "racism" reared their ugly head? (oh double horror!) See. That's how Liberal academia thinks and operates. After all, that's the basis of Affirmative Action to begin with.

So again I ask you, why won't Obama simply reveal his academic records so we can all bask in his supposed brilliance?

Why hasn't that happened. Traveling Circus Clown? Why?

And as far as Saddams WMD: If all of his WMD's from the first Gulf War (1991) were destroyed- then why did the U.N. keep insisting that he still had unaccounted stockpiles as late as Feb 2003?

Oh and- during the Clinton Administration (around 1999) U.S. air strikes destroyed facilities associated with chemical and biological weapons during operation Desert Fox.

Now uhm... I thought you said Saddam's WMD capabilities were destroyed in 1991. No?

And why exactly was Van Jones fired?

Now put on your big-girl underwear, Traveling Circus Clown, and help me out with these pesky facts. Mkay Champ? "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:03 PM:

" Subhumans - Apathy

Drink, Sex, Cigarettes
Ford Cortina household pets
Bombs? War? Famine? Death?
An apathetic public couldn t care less

The Public watches ITV
Reads The Sun drinks cups of tea
Two-star family stay content
Their lives controlled by parliament
Well daddy's lost his job again
Because he never had no brain
He only lives to watch TV
His life controlled by apathy

The Russians seem so far away
The government seems to be OK
The papers never mention war
Cos the people that they cater for have got:.

The things that you never knew were there
Or was it that you didn't care
The biggest problem face to face
An apathetic human race "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:05 PM:

" Subhumans - Fade Away

We live we die
And in between we sit and wonder why
Why must we someday die?
Tried and tested
We live our lives like our dear parents did
Tied down and restricted
Of gods and guns do we need to die
For Christ's sake or for anyone?
They call it religion
And so we pray
For god to save us from our evil ways
They call it self-decay
We live we die
In fear of gods and guns and never knowing why
Why must we someday die?
So live your life
In fear of no one
We must have our say
Before we fade away "

Traveling Circus wrote on Sep 14, 2009 6:54 PM:

" Wow 7X...or 10X CLOWN (can't you come up with something better than that? Oh wait...I have to wait until Faux News feeds you a new insult in their talking points)...or whatever you are. You certainly are not a polite one. Do you even get out of the house and experience the world? Because I have to tell you - your rudeness precedes you like a cloud. I can see it coming a mile away. For a moment I almost felt sorry for you - perhaps you didn't get enough hugs as a child? My big girl underpants? Sorry to disappoint, but you won't be able to view that...LOL. You're just not that special. Besides, I've been wearing them for years to deal with hard-headed ninkompoops like you.

Now for the FACTS: It's frankly none of your business what specific grades he got - perhaps you'd like to know what he got in preschool as well? Obviously you do not understand the concept of "magna c*m laude" (probably because you never got there). How sad for you (as for me, been there, done that...and doing it again). I suppose it's not sufficient for you that his teachers and officials have spoken about his excellent grades at Harvard; I suppose they're ALL in collusion with your grand conspiracy theory? You can't find anything awful about this President other than he's black, so you're going to try to discredit him on just about anything. How sad for you and for our country that you're so loud-mouthed and WRONG at the same time.

You totally ignored the part where there's a competition amongst the men/women vying for the top spot at the law review. It's not as if someone just picks a name out of a hat. Again, obviously you refuse to read anything that would possibly help you understand the issue better; your claim of "affirmative action" as an over-arching reason he was chosen is bull. He was chosen on MERIT.

As for my "blithering ignorance" (rolling eyes); I'd reveal my "stats" to you but you're not worthy. Your ignorance is compounded by your hatred exponentially. Guess you must've lost to a black guy in your 6th grade spelling bee? What has created this huge racial "grudge"? Whatever intelligence you once had is now wasted.

For months I've seen your hate-spewed messages, and it's disgusting. Please crawl under whatever rock you came out from until the next 8 years are over at least - because that is how long our great President will struggle against your kind.

WMD's: I referred to the issue of the WMD's being destroyed as "after 1991" not BY 1991. Again, reading is NOT your forte. Here's what I wrote: "All the WMD's from the Gulf War (for those date-challenged folks that was after 1991) were DESTROYED.". Of course he kept collecting "parts" for his regime - but there were no WMD'S.

Van? OMG...you really are a bulldog, and not in a good sense. TURN OFF FOX....your brain will thank you. MKAY CHAMP? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:17 PM:

" Try again Traveling Circus Clown. "Magna c*m laude" for a minority in an institution that is pandering to Affirmative Action applicants is meaningless.

Let's see now, Barry goes from an unremarkable stint at Columbia (without honors I might add) to viola! Acceptance into Harvard Law and then viola! Elected as the first black to head Harvard's Law Review! And "Magna c*m laude" to boot! My my my what a remarkable transformation that was! And at the exact time when Harvard Law had just gone from very low black enrollments to a record high number of black enrollments in the span of a few short years! Wow. What are the chances? Things certainly changed dramatically (and quickly) at Harvard Law- didn't they, Circus Clown. What a happy set of coincidences for Barry, huh. Smells like BS.

So uhm...why hasn't Barry Hussein released his academic records again, Circus Clown? Especially since every other President in modern memory (including Presidential candidates) have released theirs. What's he hiding?

Show me some evidence of his so called "merit", Circus Clown. And please explain why the first Black President, who claims to be so super-duper intelligent would want to keep such evidence of his superior intellect under wraps.


Oh and, the WMD's were destroyed AFTER 1991? Sometime AFTER 1991? As in "sometime" AFTER 1991 but not YET in 2003 when we went to war? Could you narrow that down just a tad, Circus Clown? When were they destroyed? Where were they destroyed? Who destroyed them? And back to my original question that you NEVER ANSWERED- why did the U.N. produce multiple Resolutions demanding that Saddam not only give up or destroy his WMD, but that he also show proof of their destruction?

Was the U.N. lying, Circus Clown?

And you never told me why Van Jones was fired, did you, Circus Clown. No. No you didn't. Now turn off MSMNBC so that cloud of blithering ignorance can finally clear from your echo-chamber head. M-kay Champ? "

theproletariat87 wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:10 PM:

" NPR reported that 75% of all doctors in a poll support a public option! Key word here public option (not government take over like most people believe). Hmmm doctors are threatening to leave??? guessing just a fourth of the greedy ones are against this plan. "

Harry Potter wrote on Sep 19, 2009 2:51 PM:

" TC, even Bush has admitted that there were no WMD's, but our friend has never let facts get in the way of his ignorant rants. He prefers the Dick Cheney version of history. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 10:37 PM:

" Well now Harry, maybe *you* would like to explain why the U.N. produced all those resolutions (right into 2003) demanding that Saddam prove that he destroyed all of his WMD.

Was the U.N's WMD accounting system flawed? Was the U.N. lying? Or are some of Saddam's WMD still unaccounted for?

Which is it Harry? "

 


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