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Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:27 PM CDT
Crowd fills LLC Theater to discuss health care reform



MATTOON — A raising of the hands showed that Congressman Tim Johnson seemed to have many members of the audience opposed to federal health care reform.

Speaking before more than 400 people in a packed Lake Land College Theater, Johnson asked how many people would oppose being compelled to pick a federal health care plan. Hundreds of hands shot up.

But someone shouted out from the upper row of seats that Johnson was asking a loaded question. And several people in the audience expressed agreement.

That represented how Wednesday’s town meeting showed a high level of anxiety on the part of many constituents regarding health care overhaul proposals. Yet several questioners made it clear to Johnson something has to be done to make health care more affordable for the majority of Americans.

As one voter put in an analogy to the Titanic: “We have to do something now; we’re taking on a lot of water right now.”

But Johnson said he is worried about drowning in a sea of red ink one day. Stating that “a government is best that governs least,” the Republican from Urbana made it clear he is distrustful of a public option health plan, especially with the federal government announcing a $9 trillion deficit this week. Many times, his statements on out-of-control spending initiatives drew wide applause from the audience.

Johnson will not accept the status quo, either, by voting to do nothing, he said in answering a question from Karen Miller of Charleston.

“We can’t do nothing or adopt socialized medicine. We can’t be the ‘Legislation of No,’” Johnson said. “We need to encourage competition. But I don’t think people want to throw the baby out with the bath water.”

The lawmaker did make it clear he does not support a public option that he said would only hurt the quality of American health care in the long run and result in massive tax increases, “producing a dramatic effect on the American taxpayer.” Johnson said efforts are needed to address many issues with health care within a private framework, including the treatment of patients with pre-existing conditions, better competition between insurers and other efforts.

During his criticism of a public option for health care, Johnson degraded foreign countries for what he said is rationing of health care and long waits for medical procedures, especially in Canada. “The alternative to our system now is a system you don’t want,” Johnson warned.

He was backed by a man who once lived in Canada. The veteran said he fears health reform and bailout measures because a federal government can have too much power if unchecked.

“When a government is too strong the people have to stand up and knock ’em back!” he said.

But Peter Andrews of Charleston challenged Johnson’s description of the Canadian health care system.

“The statements you have made here are a figment of your imagination!” Andrews said.

Andrews based that on the care his relatives received for cancer, his father in Canada and his mother-in-law in Maryland. He said both received fine care before their deaths in 2006, however his mother-in-law, in an American hospital, continually worried how she would pay for her cancer care.

A few questioners at Wednesday’s meeting also cited statistics that America ranks as low as 35th worldwide in the quality of health care. Therefore, they argued, the country needs serious health care reform with universal care, especially with the country’s relative high rate of infant mortality and considering there are better longevity rates in many developed countries.

One questioner on the quality of care challenged Johnson to provide the source of his statements that contradict the United Nations health care research and other international health experts.

Johnson did not back off on his statement.

“We do have the best health care system in this country,” Johnson countered. “The infant mortality rate is not tied to the health care public option. It is based on low birth weight. Very selective facts are being cited here.”

A Casey resident disagreed with the equity of the country’s health care system. Bob Brown said there is something wrong when even Medicare, a system designed for treating the elderly, can limit medical procedures like a stem cell transplant to treat his wife’s cancer.

“If that’s not rationed health care, I don’t know what is,” Brown said.

“I would suggest the degree of rationing is dramatically different than it would be under this model,” Johnson answered.

The youngest questioner Wednesday was a 13-year-old boy who asked when Congress will stop spending the money of his generation and future ones. Johnson agreed something has to be done to stop what he termed out-of-control spending of the federal government now and in recent years.

“It will stagnate the country for years to come if we don’t do something about it,” the lawmaker said.

Contact Herb Meeker at hmeeker@jg-tc.com or 238-6869.


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lefty wrote on Aug 27, 2009 12:03 AM:

" First, I would like the name of the Canadian "expat." Sounds like a stage.

Second, good job on the talking points, Tim. "

Read all over wrote on Aug 27, 2009 6:24 AM:

" You don't have to be a doctor to understand that low birth weight and infant mortality are often consequences of little or no pre-natal care. Johnson truly has his head in the sand if he's going to dismiss facts that don't fit his picture of things.

We need health care reform. We need a public option to make insurance affordable and bring down costs for all.

"Socialized medicine" is a scary phrase. But our roads are "socialized." Medicare is "socialized." Protection from fire and crime is "socialized." So be it. "

Matt Toon wrote on Aug 27, 2009 6:52 AM:

" Congressman Tim Johnson has always been a fraud. On the one hand, he has tried to carve out an image of being a reasonable, moderate Republican. But in reality he has always been a rabid reactionary. On health care he tries to give the impression that he favors reasonable reform. However, the truth is that he won't support anything that is really meaningful and that will make a real difference for most citizens. "

tempwayfarer wrote on Aug 27, 2009 7:24 AM:

" No Union Thugs? No armed citizens? No CIA types recording license plates in the parking lot? Do you mean to tell me that hundreds of Americans can Assemble and Petition Legislators in a civil, business-like way with no hint of "The Empire Strikes Back"? There may yet be hope that the American Experiment can survive. "

prairieguy wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:03 AM:

" How can anyone say they support Medcare, Medicaid, the VA health care system, and their own congressional health care system and also say they do not support a public option for the rest of us? It is illogical, political, unethical, immoral, and very, very, very suspicious. "

prairieguy wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:34 AM:

" It's the "13 year old boy" that sounds like a stage. Yeah, Tim was good at barfing his party's points. "

really wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:57 AM:

" In my opinion to resolve the health care issue several other issues need resolved. First, immigration...this country needs to get tough and stop the handouts. Insurance costs rise because hospitals are forced to provide care and can't collect from those who can't pay. Look at California. When this government stops giving away everything the working American has tried to build then we will see reform. It's a domino effect. If we stop the handouts then we would see alot of other areas such as Social Security recover as well. Foreigners think they can come to America to "LIVE FREE" but they misinterpret that we offer them to "BE FREE" to live a life of their choosing. The government has tried to help but has only made everything it touches a bigger mess and another tax issue for the working American. "

lefty wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:45 AM:

" Yes REALLY, it is only illegal immigrants that's the problem. That is why study after study on the maladies facing the health care system diagnoses problems OTHER than illegals.

It's the health insurance companies and their cronies such as Johnson that hurt American health care. Illegals are a distraction. "

Bernie wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:46 AM:

" Private health unsurance is absolutely and totally unreliable. If our government refuses to offer us an "Improved Medciare for All" type option (one we can depend upon to not dump us if we get sick), then we will continue to have none. Now those of us under 65 are at the mercy of a profit-driven non-system that has NO mercy.

Johnson is abdicating his duty to protect the lives of the American people. "

das wrote on Aug 27, 2009 10:22 AM:

" I really wish I could have made it out to this, because the one thing I don't see in here, nor do I see anywhere from anyone who opposes the Obama plan is what is THEIR plan? The Republicans have offered nothing. So, if you don't want a public option, then what do you want? How CAN we fix the health care system? Oh, and I love that Johnson says, a government is best that governs least, and yet he still continues to keep government in people's relationships and not accept gay rights. Hypocrisy much? Why did Johnson not lay out a detailed plan that he thinks would work better? Do the Republicans even have one? Or, do they want things to stay the way they are? Because we all know, our system is a mess. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 27, 2009 1:21 PM:

" Once again Tim shows that he is merely a shill for the insurance companies. Considering that they are spending nearly a million and half DAILY to defeat any type of reform, I'm sure Tim's reelection fund is being well stocked. I wonder if he gets paid by the meeting or by the hour?

I can't wait to see Johnson's disclosure reports next election time.

And why is it that whenever you see polls of Canadians and their health care their system always get high marks? I've seen polls where the good folks of Canada are just as satisfied as we are this country. Fox news, in their quest to destroy any health care reform always manages to find some Canadians who are dissatisfied, but I imagine if they wanted to they could find more Americans that are dissatisfied, but that wouldn't fit their agenda. I have a friend who always goes home to Canada for his health care. I'll take the word of the citizens of Canada over people who are obvious lackey's for the giant insurance companies such as Tim Johnson. "

Dave61572 wrote on Aug 27, 2009 1:24 PM:

" Comment to "really". Yours is first making total sense in quite a while. "

Collatine wrote on Aug 27, 2009 1:46 PM:

" Illinois already has a public option. If you're under a certain income level and you have children, it's called "All Kids". Or you can apply for the Illinois Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan. "

Mike P wrote on Aug 27, 2009 3:28 PM:

" Best in the world is probably so from his experience. Their plan differs slightly from what most folks who work for a living contend with. From copays, waiting room time with appointments, to coverage, what ever they do, it needs to replace their plan too. Split them into groups, some on cobra, some on VA, and some on the cheapest HMO, they qualify for. Introduce them to 1 million limits of lifetime coverage, and many other best practices that have become norm in dealing with US heath care.

Their biggest concern is the health care industry as it exists is a cash cow, for many. If they mess it up, the new system might not be as fluid with its lobby budgets. From parmacuticles, to doctors, to the little group of insurance companies, many of them like the leg room they all have on this luxury flight.

These folks are supposed to be the best and the brightest, with the best possible teams of advisors. Why would a new public insurance not be anticipated to be better than any in existance in the world. It was off the table for many, before the place settings were put down to start digging in to this seriously. Why do they start negotiations, with the groups who have created most of the situation we have now? When was the last time any local politician asked and actually listened to what people need, and without picking a pre worded talking point, gave a genuine answer to how they thought they could do something about it. If they didn't know, or just didn't want to, don't beat around the bush and pretend, show some guts, and stop dancing around the issues. Most of this debate, suggests some think we need helth reform, and some don't. All the picking at the details, isn't what has them scared, and the price isn't either.

It seems like loaded questions, needed to take up some of the time. Evidently if that was the case, they didn't trust the folks to be able to carry on a forum properly without them. Wonder if this staged production was as good as fiddler on the roof, or some other show to cross that stage. Its too bad. Fella makes a point to put on a show like this, and citizens just aren't smart enough to have a direct non scripted conversation with. How does he feel about education reform, so this area can try to build up some IQ points for his next staged event. "

unknownjoe wrote on Aug 28, 2009 1:56 AM:

" As I have stated before, I like my health care the way that it is. My choice of coverage paid for by me. At this point in time unless a Republican is chosen to replace the drunken murderer Kennedy, the Democrats have a filabuster proof House and Senate. So, why all the tub thumping from the Democrats? Could it be that the opposition that kills health care reform will come from the Democratic Party itself? That would be my guess. I believe the Town Hall Meetings are a smoke screen put on by the Democratic party to try and mislead those in favor of this so called Obamacare into believing it was the evil right wing racist whitey whitey white boy oppressors of the Republican Party that killed the so called Health Care reform. When in fact the Democrats will end up killing the bill themselves. In doing so they can say, Sorry Folks, those bad Republicans messed it up for ya. They save face and have a convienient scapegoat. Then Obamalamadingdong can use it as a platform for his run at a second term. Well Folks I tried, but give me a second chance and I'll make it happen. The sad part is, that some of you sheeple will fall for it. "

Becky wrote on Aug 28, 2009 3:58 PM:

" Joe,

I understand that you don't like Obama and the bill. I think this bill is way too big and full of a bunch of garbage that doesn't need to be in there BUT private health insurance is busting this country's businesses who try to provide health insurance to their employees. Plus, I don't see the rush. This is a big step and too important to be shoved down anyones throat. We need to take our time, weigh the options, and calm the heck down. Every other country out there has come up with a solution to this so why can't we? Oh, and with your health insurance, you had better pray that you're not one of those who end up in bankruptcy court from medical bills who also had health insurance. You could loose everything to a bad ticker or stroke you know. "

 


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