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Monday, August 24, 2009 6:08 PM CDT
LETTER: Guns at health care meeting is outrageous

GINNY GOCHANOUR, Charleston

I was ready to write my thoughts about the incredible, unfortunate, outrageous reactions to proposed health care reform, specifically the fabricated misinformation being spread by S. Palin, and the GOP, when I saw a picture of a man who is “unhappy” about any health care reform.

He was wearing an assault rifle, in Phoenix, near where President Obama was speaking! The reporter stated there was another man, also wearing an assault rifle, and about a dozen other people carrying handguns. Now why do you suppose they did that?

What did they think they would need them for? This “wearing of the guns” is an even more outrageous story than opposition to healthcare.

I really don’t know what to say.

GINNY GOCHANOUR

Charleston

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pj1983 wrote on Aug 22, 2009 6:47 AM:

" if you'd read/listened to the stories you would know the reasons behind the "wearing of the guns" It's really as simple as they did it because they could. They were standing up for the rights they have. In Arizona, where the assault rifle pictures were taken, it's legal to carry a gun as long as it's in the open. In New hampshire there was the man holding the sign that said "It's time to water the tree of liberty" who had a pistol strapped to his leg. He wasn't breaking any laws either. The New Hampshire man was quoted as saying "It's a political statement,If you don't use your rights, then you lose your rights." "

Matt Toon wrote on Aug 22, 2009 2:28 PM:

" I strongly support national health care and I also support Obama. However, I certainly oppose the anti-gun agenda of many Democrats. That agenda has done enormous harm to the Democratic Party. (The gun issue, for example, played a key role in Democrats losing control of Congress in 1994) All Democrats need to support the Second Amendemnt and full gun rights for the American people. "

Old Grumpy wrote on Aug 22, 2009 7:33 PM:

" Ginny, were you there? How near to the President was the "man with a gun"? Do you have any idea if this picture was even taken the same day or even in the same State? I doubt it. Your observations are made upon a picture taken by someone else and captioned by someone working for a news agency.

If you are anti-gun go find yourself a soap box to stand on and get started. Just do not base your entire line of reasoning on a picture someone else took and someone else supplied to you.

I once saw a picture reportedly taken atop the World Trade Center just before the first plane hit. It was as fake as a three-dollar bill.

Be careful what you take for fact, specially if it comes from a news agency. "

what? wrote on Aug 22, 2009 10:55 PM:

" It's only confusing for the sane, makes perfect sense to them. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:19 AM:

" Great comments Matt and Grumpy.
Another great example of pictures falsely leading on the viewer is the one that Greenpeace put on their sight showing a billboard "on farm land" in Mattoon this year. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:26 AM:

" Those VOTERS carrying guns to the health-care debates broke no laws in their states exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

Besides that fact, it's good to remind the people of this land land how this whole country called the United States of America came about...with a few gun toting, "wing nuts" on the east coast, some 225+ years ago, telling King George, "we've had enough!" "

prairieguy wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Nine of our past presidents have been shot. Three of them died as a result. People who flaunt assault rifles near presidential events are lunatics, plain and simple, folks. "

julio wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:41 AM:

" Nobody has the personal right to carry and AK-47 in the presence of the President. "

The Question wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:55 AM:

" In 19th century Dodge City, Wyatt Earp disarmed people who came to town. If they refused, he clubbed them to the ground with his Buntline Special.
So we have 21st century health care meetings that are officially MORE INSANE than the wild West. "

The Question wrote on Aug 23, 2009 9:12 AM:

" Apparently Republicans think they can shoot their way to better health care. Makes as much sense as any of their other ideas, I suppose. "

kamfong wrote on Aug 23, 2009 10:18 AM:

" If you're upset about someone excersizing their right to bear arms,wait until the suicide bombers start coming outta the woodwork. "

Hammbone wrote on Aug 23, 2009 12:46 PM:

" Lock & Load "

chunt31854 wrote on Aug 23, 2009 1:33 PM:

" Let us examine the facts. One, open carry of firearms is legal in Arizona. No laws were broken. Two, the weapon in question is not an "assault rifle", it was a semi-automatic rifle. They are legal to own. I have one myself. Assault rifles are capable of automatic fire. They are strictly regulated and very expensive. Three, this man, and presumably the others, was outside the event, nowhere near where the President was going to be, assuming he was going to be there at all.

Did I mention that the man carrying the scary rifle was black? And that the news media (specifically MSNBC) used pictures of him carrying the rifle (but not of his face or hands, disguising his race) during a hyperventilating discussion of white men with guns and how they hate the black man who is President? "

The Question wrote on Aug 23, 2009 1:50 PM:

" If the purpose is merely to "exercise your right to bear arms," why limit yourself to presidential appearances? Put on a real show. Arm yourself with assault rifles and handguns and go running though a major airport.
Strut around inside a kindergarten armed to the teeth.
It's your "right" to do that, isn't it? Man up and go to it, right wingers. You'll get plenty of attention to your "right to bear arms" then. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 23, 2009 4:20 PM:

" Leave it to neo macadamia (thanks for the one fb) to defend people carrying guns to town hall meetings. "

lefty wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Oh good lord. Are you nutjob ideologues seriously defending this tripe?!

OK, no laws were broken. BUT is it really a good idea? REALLY?!

You right wingers know very well if it were a Republican president and a lefty gun-toter, you would freak out. But in your own insane little world, you wouldn't acknowledge that this act is simply NOT A GOOD IDEA! I would go as far as to say it is in poor taste.

Is it your right? Yes. Is it a respectable act? Absolutely not. "

pj1983 wrote on Aug 23, 2009 7:39 PM:

" chunt: the man didn't want to be identified, hence the picture of the back of his head (which is shaved, clearly showing his race, which has nothing to do with this what-so-ever)

None of the men (people) mentioned were AT the Obama speech, merely in a public place where supporters/protesters were gathered.

I may not personally choose to carry around a gun, but if it's not against the law, who am I to stop you? They were gathered in a public place, not an airport or a kindergarten(school) where there are specific rules in place about weapons, but nice try, Question.

As for Lefty's comment about it being in poor taste...IMHO i think you're absolutely right. But then again, i think it's in poor taste to get "I Love Mama" tattooed across your hind end, but it's your right to do it if you so choose. "

The Question wrote on Aug 23, 2009 9:32 PM:

" They were gathered in a public place, not an airport or a kindergarten(school) where there are specific rules in place about weapons, but nice try, Question.
---
Try again. The last time there was a mass-murder school shooting, the right-wing gun nuts here were saying that there wouldn't BE ANY school shootings if everybody at school were to be armed.
And "specific rules in place about weapons?" Why that's GUN CONTROL! Are you some kinda commie!!!? "

slap63 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 8:17 AM:

" I just have to ask, How many Black assassians have killed a President? How many Black serial killers have there been? "

Old Grumpy wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:25 AM:

" The Question, the picture you have is different then the one I saw. The one I saw did not identify the man with the rifle as a "Republican." Good thing we have eagle eyed observers, such as you, to point out these details.

I believe in our Second Admendment rights but I think you, The Question, are way off base by urging people to carry firearms into their local kindergartens to prove a point!

Harry Potter, Somewhere I'm sure there have been people attending a town hall meeting that were carrying weapons but was the person Ginny spoke about at a town hall meeting?

Many people get too emotional to discuss politics, guns, or religion in anything close to a rational way. I offer many of the comments posted here as proof of this observation. "

father bob wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:28 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 23, 2009 4:20 PM:
" Leave it to neo macadamia (thanks for the one fb) to defend people carrying guns to town hall meetings. """"""

the ONLY reason these whackjobs are wearing weapons is to frighten and threaten.....period. operating under the guise of "rights" is a joke. they're nothing more than terrorists. "

cedric66 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 10:43 AM:

" Well I see that the far left loonies are on here acting stupid again as usual. Must have had a bad weekend or something. You better watch how you sit because it will give you brain damage,but then again the damage has already taken effect on you!! "

father bob wrote on Aug 24, 2009 11:21 AM:

" chunt31854 wrote on Aug 23, 2009 1:33 PM:
"Did I mention that the man carrying the scary rifle was black? And that the news media (specifically MSNBC) used pictures of him carrying the rifle (but not of his face or hands, disguising his race) during a hyperventilating discussion of white men with guns and how they hate the black man who is President? """""

did you also mention it was a set-up by a local radio station?

and you don't need to remind us about white men with guns hating black men. that's a historical fact....nice try einstein. "

slap63 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 11:31 AM:

" Well said!! FB. i happen to own a gun, but I sure don't carry it around with me. I don't wear it to school to pick up my kids. I don't wear it to the grocery store. If everyone carried a gun around then could you imagine the potential bloodbath? The crazed person who if had a gun at the time would have killed? But the time it takes to go get your gun or go buy one, does give that person the time to calm down and THINK. Yes, there are those that follow through. But I will tell you this, they bust through my door and threaten my family they had better plan on getting shot! "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 24, 2009 12:02 PM:

" Well your're "not going to have Cognitus to kick around any more" -- to paraphrase a famous statesman.
In the morning I'm heading for the Colorado Rockies, where I work for one of the federal land-management agencies thru September and part of October. [No, I'm uniformed but I do NOT carry a gun; I'm with the educational division.]
But I warn you not to get too far off base, for I DO have online capabilities,
so if the Self-Righteous Right gets too far out in right field, I may have to come back.... After all I'll be in a state that has the make-my-day law, so I'll be more formidable than here.... "

even steven wrote on Aug 24, 2009 12:34 PM:

" Ginny, you don't need to say a thing. We have the Second Amendment RIGHT ti bear arms. Obviously, you haven't read the US Consitution... and neither have any other anti-gun freaks. "

The Question wrote on Aug 24, 2009 12:56 PM:

" The ONLY reason these whackjobs are wearing weapons is to frighten and threaten.....period. operating under the guise of "rights" is a joke. they're nothing more than terrorists.
---
Yes. They know it and we know it, even though they don't dare admit it. People who want to brandish firearms at a public meeting on health care are, by self-definition, lunatics. "

unbelievable wrote on Aug 24, 2009 1:07 PM:

" It sounds like Nancy Pelosi and the 0bama Administration puked up all over this letter, Can any of you think for yourself? It's typical though the crazy Liberal nut jobs try to get the insane right wingers to do something like carry on school propery when the insane right wingers know it is illegal to do so. What is funny is that I know of several crazy Liberal's
that own guns and will carry them illegally in Illinois. But thats ok pot...kettle "

father bob wrote on Aug 24, 2009 2:19 PM:

" even steven wrote on Aug 24, 2009 12:34 PM:
" Ginny, you don't need to say a thing. We have the Second Amendment RIGHT ti bear arms. Obviously, you haven't read the US Consitution... """"""

and i have a constitutional right not to feel threatened.....but you idiot whackjob gun activists don't care about anyone but yourselves and that "godliness" you feel when you wear a weapon. "

The Question wrote on Aug 24, 2009 2:27 PM:

" Of course Republicans, being something less than an inch deep, see no irony whatsoever in parading around with deadly firearms at a crowded public meeting on health care. "

lefty wrote on Aug 24, 2009 2:31 PM:

" CEDRIC66 & EVEN STEVEN... you REALLY think it's a good idea to carry guns everywhere, including a political discussion which can easily get heated?

In some places it is your right, but it ain't smart!

Why not take it to church? A little league game? PTA conference? Why not let lil Timmy take it to his 5th grade class?

What I am getting at is that even though you have rights, just because you don't EXPRESS those rights at every moment doesn't mean you are complicit in losing those right. I don't vote everyday, do you? I don't demand equal right and access everyday because I don't NEED to!

.... sigh.... but go ahead and give me a nut job reason why I am the unreasonable one here.... "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 24, 2009 3:33 PM:

" Well I see that the far left loonies are on here acting stupid again as usual.

Hey cedric, it ain't the left loonies advocating carrying guns to public meetings, that would be the right wing whack jobs. Glad to straighten you out once again. "

Steve Senteney wrote on Aug 24, 2009 3:39 PM:

" It seems like common sense and judgement should prevail on this topic of guns at meetings on a very controversal health care legislative proposal.

Even though an attendee can legally carry a weapon to such meeting in some locations, is it commons sense and good judgement to do so? I don't think so.

I am a strong proponet of the 2nd amendment on the right to possess a firearm. Our current President and the Speaker of the House of Representatives do not have good track records on supporting the second amendment. Just look to the city of Chicago where they have made it illegal to own and possess a handgun if anyone believes our 2nd amendment is in jeopordy. Just look to our new Supreme Court Justice who voted against enforcement of the 2nd amendment while serving as a Judge on the Court of Appeals.

As a person who carried a concealed firearm for many years as a law enforcement officer and can currently carry a concealed firearm if I chose to become qualified, I would not carry a weapon to these type meetings.

I might add that when the President visits FBI headquarters in Washington, D.C. and makes a presentation to a large group, the FBI agents present do not carry their firearms per the request/demand of the U.S. Secret Service.

Just because one has the power and authority to do something, does not make it right to utilize that power and authority. Law enforcement officers utilize discretion everyday, they could write more traffic citations and make more arrests, but they use their common sense and good judgement when utilizing the power and authority given to them by law. They don't write a ticket for every traffic violation and every violation of the law. "

what? wrote on Aug 24, 2009 3:55 PM:

" I believe the second amendment should remain intact, I have a FOID card and I use it. That said, it seems obvious that the people brandishing firearms at town hall meetings addressing health are, indeed, misguided whacko nut jobs. "

1cav wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:10 PM:

" GEE I didn't see any of Obama's goon squads trying to push little ol ladies around or gang banging one little lone peddler. Hmmm that is terrible,where were all the bused in SIEU member's with their pretty shirts and the paid ACORN thugs ???
All was nice and peaceful what a dull day :) "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:23 PM:

" The deathers at Fox "News" have been caught with their pants down, once again.

This time -- led by Chris Wallace of Fox "News" Sunday -- Fox is alleging that President Obama is trying to prematurely end the lives of millions of veterans by forcing them to read a "death book" that urges them to "pull the plug" and commit "assisted suicide."

Not surprisingly, it turns out that Fox's attack is totally made up. Their so-called "death book" is actually an optional guidebook on drafting living wills that had been listed in a Veterans Health Administration (VHA) handbook by the Bush administration in 2007.
Jed Lewison-

We should not be surprised at this, after all they made up the death panel idea too. So I guess they're now going to blame Obama for ideas implemented during the Bush administration. "

slap63 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 4:41 PM:

" Oh heaven help us.... If thats ok with you gun toting Clint Eastwoods out there. Thats what makes the 2nd ammendment so frightening. Some of those "Eastwoods" are not very smart. They have no common sense. Very scary. And, it makes them feel like well, Clint Eastwood. They think they can do what they want. "Its their right by Gosh!!" I don't think they make me feel very safe. And I really don't want them going around "protecting" me thank you anyway. I have the cops to do that. "

HeinekenMan wrote on Aug 24, 2009 5:00 PM:

" The issues at hand are matters of the First Amendment; not the Second Amendment.

Nobody disputes an individual's right to carry a gun. But there are limitations on Freedom of Speech rights.

You can't yell fire in a movie theater, and you darn well shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun into a mob of people. It falls under the "Clear and Present Danger" rule applied by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Bringing a gun into a crowded area where the police cannot ensure the safety of individuals should not be allowed. My child's right to safety trumps that guy's right to carry a gun. He can say he's the sweetest man since Jesus, but there's no way anyone can assure that he will not pull out that weapon and open fire on a crowd of people.

This is mere logic, folks. It's the same sort of logic that says you can't carry a gun into a courtroom or into a school.

Lastly, what these individuals are doing by carrying guns is very threatening and intimidating. They are infringing on the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly rights of everyone in this country by doing something they know will intimidate people into not attending these political events.

Aside from the issues of law, I must say that I can't think of a single reason that any American citizen would need to own a semi-automatic rifle. Guns are not toys for 40-year-old men who still wish they were John Wayne.

And I'm growing tired of big, dumb guys with a $20 aluminum belt buckle the size of Texas trying to justify the right to own a gun that is far more powerful than any person would need for self-defense or sport. I understand the allure of deer hunting. But I don't think the framers of the U.S. Constitution thought people would be running around with guns powerful enough to kill a bus filled with elementary school students in 30 seconds. Where do we draw the line? Do you need bazookas? Should we let people build missile silos in their back yards?

Nobody is going to deny a hunter the right to own a gun. Nobody is going to revoke your right to protect yourselves.

But what about my rights? Don't I have a right to send my son to school without worrying that someone with an automatic weapon is going to blast off half his skull?

I'm getting a little tired of the Republican baloney factory. And the worst part is that most of the party's supporters seem to be so disillusioned that they can't call upon common sense, logic and facts to support their positions.

In fact, it's pretty tough these days to figure out exactly what half of the Republican folks believe. After all, nobody can understand Sarah Palin, and some guy on Fox News declared that Obama is a racist in one breath and then claimed that he never said it. Of course, he said it on national TV. I suppose it shows what kooks some of these guys are. "

lefty wrote on Aug 24, 2009 7:49 PM:

" 1CAV, do you know what it is to have a steady, clear stream of thought? We are talking about guns, not "ACORN thugs."

Speaking of, do you even know who ACORN is? Probably not until Fox began demonizing them. Critical thinking skills.... get some. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 24, 2009 8:01 PM:

" Guns at health care meetings is not nearly as outrageous as Obama's policies leading the USA into a $9 Trillion deficit! "

theproletariat87 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:05 PM:

" I love when I as an anarcho-socialist call for the overthrow of the government i get called a terrorist, when those on the Right do so, they are called patriots. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:10 PM:

" How bout Reagan's so called balanced budget that led us more in the red. Yet, let us not forget how Bush led us into massive debt. Hmmmm... lets think a tax cut and a war, that makes sense. Thought money was needed to fund a war. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:19 PM:

" NO my issue with this gun debate is when a college kid asks questions to a politician he is apparently dangerous and needs to be electrocuted. Yet, when a man spouting how much he hates the Obama with an assault rifle is only watched. Now I only believe that people have the right to own and bear in open site a rifle and shotgun. Though I think we must rethink how we deal with dissenters, if that man was to be watched then the college kid could of been led away from the area not tasered.
This is the way government is taking our freedom. Not through more regulation in the market. The right to free speech, privacy, the right to live without fear of police, military. To not be exploited by the corporate media, and corporate mega businesses. The people shouldn't fear the government, they should fear us. "

Old Grumpy wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:25 PM:

" HeinekenMan, You make the assumption that no one is carrying a weapon because you did not see one and you assume that if they did carry one they would wave it around. Wrong on both assumptions. "

Locke wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:32 PM:

" "Guns at health care meetings is not nearly as outrageous as Obama's policies leading the USA into a $9 Trillion deficit!"

USA External DEBT: $12.25 trillion (30 June 2007) -- CIA WORLD FACTBOOK

You heard it here first, Obama is leading us out of debt. "

elbert wrote on Aug 25, 2009 7:44 AM:

" To prairieguy.
You stated that three of the presidents died as a result of being shot. History tells me that that Lincoln was shot and died in 1865, Garfield was shot and died in 1881, McKinley was shot and died in 1901 and Kennedy was shot and died in 1963. Thus, history teaches that four presidents died.
I wish you well in your future endeavors and hope that you will verify your facts. "

TimB wrote on Aug 25, 2009 8:55 AM:

" The point is, nothing happened! The law abiding folks carrying guns were just that, law-abiding! Quite possibly there was someone there with ill-thoughts in mind and they were deterred from action because they saw the law abiding folks with guns. And yes, I'm in favor of teachers and adults with cleared background checks being armed in our schools.

Guns do not perform evil or good deeds. The require an operator. Just as baseball bats, cars, bombs, airplanes and machetes do.

Pay attention: Where guns are accepted and law abiding civilians are allowed to carry them for self-defense, the crime rate is lower. Places like Chicago and D.C., where guns are outlawed, crime is rampant. The ladies at Lane Bryant in Tinley Park had time to access a cell phone, call the police. The police were only 1 minute away. Yet 5 of them died and the killer is still at large. What if that phone had been a legally owned pistol accessed by a lady that had recieved training in it's use??

We must accept responsibility for our own defense. The police cannot be nor are required to be everywhere, everytime. "

The Question wrote on Aug 25, 2009 9:44 AM:

" "Our own defense" against WHAT? Improved health care? You plan to shoot your way to that?
Men who worship guns are ridiculous children, still playing bang-bang. Grow up. "

The Question wrote on Aug 25, 2009 10:33 AM:

" Just remember, according to the corporate news media, loony, gun-toting conservative protesters are a serious and newsworthy phenomenon, while angry liberals are always insignificant and "out of the mainstream." "

even steven wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Father Bob, your fear of guns does not supercede my Constitutional RIGHT to bear arms. Hell, I even have the RIGHT to form my own militia, if I were inclined to do so. I would just have to make sure it was well regulated, as stipulated by the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment does NOT specify who would regulate a legal militia, just that it be well regulated. It's unfortunate that people like you support traitors in our own government who violate their sworn oaths to uphold and defend the US Constitution... all of it, not just the parts that suit their own agendas.

If you don't like the US Constitution, you are free to move somewhere where guns are illegal. "

even steven wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:09 AM:

" Lefty, I've been armed most of the time since I was beaten, robbed, and left for dead in a field a couple decades ago. I've also known several people who were murdered... as I almost was myself. I have the right to defend myself. Period. "

Matt Toon wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:19 AM:

" A new book, "The Healing of America" by T. R. Reid, says that 700,000 people a year go bankrupt because of their medical bills and that 20,000 people a year die because they can't afford needed medical care. I think that figure might be conservative. I know of several people who have died over the years because they couldn't afford health care.
This nation really does need national health care! "

lefty wrote on Aug 25, 2009 1:16 PM:

" TIMB, can you not ramble and instead keep with the current flow of thought? The conversation was centered on this question:

"Is it a good idea to bring a gun to a political townhall?"

Instead you rambled and said:

"We must accept responsibility for our own defense. The police cannot be nor are required to be everywhere, everytime."

...the police were at the townhall. So was the Secret Service. The only people that offered a threat to anyone's security were those with gund holstered to their thighs. We do not know their motives, but in a heated political debate, one can rest assured that participants NOT bringing dangerous, easy to use weapons to a public discussion is not a good idea.... it's a GREAT idea! "

The Question wrote on Aug 25, 2009 2:12 PM:

" Be careful, Stevey. Don't forget to take along a bunch of guns every time you go out. The big monsters are just waiting to get you, you know. "

The Question wrote on Aug 25, 2009 4:26 PM:

" "Compassionate conservatism" was just a Luntz-inspired propaganda term designed to disguise the fundamentally ruthless greed and power lust that lies behind contemporary American right-wing ideas, which are largely fascist.
I think the neocons started to sweat when people began identifying them correctly as fascists, so the Frank Luntz bunch decided to destroy the word "fascism." Make it mean everything so it means nothing. Simple. So we got nonsense terms like "Islamofascism" and "liberal fascism" -- anything to distract people from the real meaning of fascism, which is the totalitarian corporate state marked by nationalism, militarism, sexism, racism, religious fanaticism, controlled mass media and the destruction of civil liberties.
There's a word for people who haul guns around at public health meetings, in a smirking, transparent attempt to intimidate citizens participating in democracy. It's "fascists." "

father bob wrote on Aug 25, 2009 5:30 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 25, 2009 2:12 PM:
" Be careful, Stevey. Don't forget to take along a bunch of guns every time you go out. The big monsters are just waiting to get you, you know. """"""

hehehehe!!!.....and stevey, i'm not afraid of guns. i AM concerned when they turn up in public crowds for no other reason than to intimidate and strike fear into innocent people. this has NOTHING to do with your precious "rights".... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 25, 2009 5:40 PM:

" Awwww...poor lefties...you can bring your guns to the health care meetings too, if you want....WE DON'T MIND! :) "

unknownjoe wrote on Aug 25, 2009 6:37 PM:

" It strikes me as funny that the liberals are so up in arms over this whole gun issue. It occurs to me that most if not all of the presidential assassins were either socialist/marxists, anarchists or democrats. Save for the Anarchist, demosociomarxism basically sums up the current administration, so Libs, don't worry you are safe. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 25, 2009 7:38 PM:

" Wow! The disgruntled corn field loser Republicans are fired up tonight. Even macadamia is coming loose at the edges on several threads. The question is where is Doh and what name will he use the next time around? lol! "

lefty wrote on Aug 25, 2009 9:54 PM:

" I am all for loading up a stockpile of guns in preparation for a day when the right wing nut jobs take marching orders from Glenn Beck to overthrow the government. The right wing does have guns, the left does not, and that IS frightening.

However, it is still a sign of idiocy to think in any way that it is OK to take a gun to a political town hall. "

Honest Abe wrote on Aug 25, 2009 10:21 PM:

" I'm a Democrat who owns guns and supports the right to bear arms.
However, common sense must prevail. With gun ownership comes responsibility.
You can argue you all you want but at the end of the day it is always about responsibilty "

theproletariat87 wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:08 PM:

" To unknown joe, Yes because an anarchist would support an increase about the military budget, oh yes and socialist and Marxists would approve of half these politicians that made millions of dollars that help them run for office. Please go ask any other anarchists whether or not they agree with everything the current government is doing. Or what the past governmental adminstrations have done. SOOOO if you don't know what you are talking about keep it in the hole thank you. All you people do is take one position that is supportive of a policy and automatically label that person. I am not a Democrat, I am not an independent, I am a hopeful revolutionary and activists.

Also most political assassinations have either been people using the cause of socialism, anarchism or were crazy. Most anarchist accused of terrorist attacks where framed. Look at the Haymarket incident. Two Italian anarchist where framed for a bombing that they didn't commit. "

unbelievable wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:24 PM:

" I can't believe this has gone as far as it has... I reread this whole thing and have figured out one thing. the insane right wingers are are being insulted by the crazy liberal nutjobs on just about every comment. What does that show but the lack of a good intelligent response and a febel attempt to get the last word in. I for one find that the best part of this whole discussion...... If you don't agree with me not only are you wrong but .... but.... your a nutjob, insane,commie,terrorist,whackjob,misguided whacko nut job,Clint Eastwood,Self-Righteous,ridiculous children,fascists,disgruntled corn field loser. "

G-MAN wrote on Aug 26, 2009 3:20 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 24, 2009 3:33 PM:

" Well I see that the far left loonies are on here acting stupid again as usual.

Hey cedric, it ain't the left loonies advocating carrying guns to public meetings, that would be the right wing whack jobs. Glad to straighten you out once again. "
"Good job MR.Harry POtter--You get her every time she opens her big stupid
yap!HEE-HEE-HEE "

lefty wrote on Aug 26, 2009 7:41 AM:

" Um... UNBELIEVABLE, are you batty? What is the opposition to the right wing crazies saying on here? DONT BRING YOUR GUNS TO A POLITICAL TOWN HALL!

Now, how the heck is that irrational? How can that line of thought be grouped together with the nuts that believe 5th graders should be taking guns to class?

I love when simpletons, seeking attention but lacking a cognitive opinion, proclaim loudly that BOTH SIDES are crazy, thereby implying they sit firmly in a reasonable middle. The reality is you just wasted our oxygen with your pointless comment empowering the gun nuts. "

BW wrote on Aug 26, 2009 9:15 AM:

" lefty, I believe that guns have no place at a public hearing on healthcare. I also believe that you bring an intellectual knife to a gunfight. "

unbelievable wrote on Aug 26, 2009 9:28 AM:

" lefty thanks again for proving my point. Who said 5th graders should take guns to school. I'm pretty sure it was you. Again a liberal says something and claims someone else said it for the sake of trying to be right.... grow up "

father bob wrote on Aug 26, 2009 9:44 AM:

" unbelievable wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:24 PM:
"your a nutjob, insane,commie,terrorist,whackjob,misguided whacko nut job,Clint Eastwood,Self-Righteous,ridiculous children,fascists,disgruntled corn field loser. """""

thanks, that pretty much sums them up! "

InsaneWayne wrote on Aug 26, 2009 10:28 AM:

" I have a gun card and guns but I feel no need to wear one to any type of public meeting. The only reason I can see for this is an attempt at intimidation.
Apparently some who cant accept the results of a national election that wasnt even close think they need to intimidate the winners.
In my humble opinion this is not very American since the best way to display good citizenship is being a decent person. Just because you can do something doesnt make it right.
In a democracy the majority rules so why doesnt The Duly Elected President and his party just pass the health care bill. This is my problem with the Democrats, they need to display more guts. Bush didnt give a thought to pushing his agenda through with or without support from the Democrats.
O needs to do what he was elected to do and lead. Push his agenda with the majority the voters in this country gave him. "

InsaneWayne wrote on Aug 26, 2009 11:56 AM:

" We cant live in the past but I would have loved to have seen what happened if people turned up armed to public meeting during the Bush Administration.

They most likely would have been locked up as enemy combatants and stripped of their rights. "

slap63 wrote on Aug 26, 2009 12:31 PM:

" unbelievable & fb: don't forget: loony, gun-toting conservative protesters! "

The Question wrote on Aug 26, 2009 12:45 PM:

" In fact, right wingers here have said more than once, in the aftermath of school shootings, that such events would not occur if everyone in schools, including the students, were armed.
They won't own up to it now, but they said it. They always get particularly exercised and overwrought when a bunch of innocent kids are slaughtered by their precious baby guns. "

The Question wrote on Aug 26, 2009 1:04 PM:

" Those gun-toters at the town-meetings demonstrate what I mean. Their plan is not to discuss universal healthcare, it's to demonstrate power. They don't want to inspire respect in the unarmed crowds, they want to inspire fear. And they don't inspire respect -- there are lots of comments on blogs about gun-toters, and a good portion of them comment on the size of the weapons a man packs relative to his natural endowment. But they do inspire fear -- in their congressional representatives and in the other people at the town hall meetings.
Respect and fear are two different things. The thing about Republicans is that they don't care so much about respect, but they love fear, at least in others.
-- Jane Smiley. "

lefty wrote on Aug 26, 2009 1:34 PM:

" UNBELIEVABLE tells ME to grow up?! H/t to FATHER BOB for pointing out an earlier line from UNBELIEVABLE....

" unbelievable wrote on Aug 25, 2009 11:24 PM:"your a nutjob,insane,commie,terrorist,whackjob,misguided whacko nut job,Clint Eastwood,Self-Righteous,ridiculous children,fascists,disgruntled corn field loser. """""

I think that says it all.

UNBELIEVABLE, when you know how to have an adult conversation, let me know. Oh. And grow up. "

father bob wrote on Aug 26, 2009 3:27 PM:

" slap63 wrote on Aug 26, 2009 12:31 PM:
" unbelievable & fb: don't forget: loony, gun-toting conservative protesters! """"

thanks....i forgot the Whitewingers. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:32 PM:

" FOX News' Glenn Beck is doing an extraordinary job this week walking America behind the scenes of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and outlining who is actually running the White House.

Monday night he asked us to invite one friend to watch; tonight I invite all my friends to watch.

-Sarah Palin

Considering that most of the major sponsors have bailed out on the Beck show for calling our president a racist, I think we know where Palin stands on the race issue. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 26, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Earlier this week, it was reported that Rep. Wally Herger, (R-Cali.) had hosted a town meeting during which he praised an attendee for declaring himself a "proud right-wing terrorist."

"Amen, God bless you," Herger told the man, named Bert Stead. "There is a great American."
Sam Stein-

There you have it folks, the GOP, so desperate to find a cause, is now endorsing terrorism. "

Bps wrote on Aug 26, 2009 9:33 PM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 26, 2009 3:27 PM:
" slap63 wrote on Aug 26, 2009 12:31 PM:

thanks....i forgot the Whitewingers. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:32 PM:
Considering that most of the major sponsors have bailed out on the Beck show for calling our president a racist, I think we know where Palin stands on the race issue. "
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So to you guys, every critic of the President is a racist.

Race is often used to inject emotion into the debate in an effort to counter an argument that cannot be countered with logic and reason.

It is also used in an attempt to impugn the character or motive of an opponent or to change the direction of the debate because of the lack of an intellectual argument.

It is camouflage.

Maybe the liberal cadre of one (LCO) would benefit from reading John Stossels blog (from ABC News) for this morning:

Link:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/johnstossel...-a-racist.html

http://tinyurl.com/lm2hkp

Here is a brief excerpt:

It was Obamas supporters who hinted, teased, promised, and prophesied that Obama would help America transcend race. But now, it is they who shrink from their own promised land

From Day 1, Obamas supporters have tirelessly cultivated the idea that anything inconvenient for the first black president just might be terribly, terribly racist.
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Hum sure sounds like our neighborhood LCO doesnt it.

Oh, for HP- as an aside I think Beck was also wrong to use it as an arguement. There are more than enough facts to show how bad the programs are for the country. "

lefty wrote on Aug 26, 2009 11:58 PM:

" BPS, the comment was not calling EVERY critic of the President a racist, just Glenn Beck, which is quite appropriate considering his remarks.

Additionally that Stossel article is pretty full of holes. He cites instances of ACTUAL racism (there IS a resurgence in racist militia groups) but instead he frames the issue as if to say these labels are being tied to the political right as a whole. "

The Question wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:05 AM:

" The poor, poor Republicans. Michael Steele has twisted himself into pretzel shapes trying to explain how the GOP wants to SAVE Medicare from cuts, while ALSO CUTTING Medicare and despising all government-run health care programs like Medicare in general.
Fortunately for Steele, though, elderly people who vote for Republicans and watch Fox News aren't bothered by completely contradictory, irrational claims. They aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, you know. "

father bob wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:07 AM:

" thanks Bps, you made my point. racism is very much alive and well in the GOP. "

The Question wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 AM:

" The Topeka Capitol-Journal reports that freshman Republican Rep. Lynn Jenkins told a town hall meeting a week ago that the GOP still has to find a "great white hope."
Let me guess. To get rid of President N-Word for you Republicans, right, Lynn? "

lefty wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:48 AM:

" Agreed FATHER BOB! Why do people like BPS first slander those who point out ACTUAL racist attacks, THEN conclude with what is essentially a tacit acknowledgment; "Well, Beck shouldn't have said that..."

Said what?! You mean that racist rant you were initially defending (butbutbutbut the Democrats cry racism every time!)?

Nice juke and jive. Keep defending these jags. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 27, 2009 1:30 PM:

" BY KATHIE DURBIN
COLUMBIAN STAFF WRITER

Raymond and Louise Denny of La Center were surprised last week to receive a mailing from Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, entitled "2009 Future of American Health Survey."

After reading it, their surprise turned to outrage.

They were especially irked by the following:

"It has been suggested that the government could use voter registration to determine a person's political affiliation, prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system. Does this possibility concern you?"

Raymond Denny, a retired insurance underwriter, characterized the question as akin to "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

Just when you think the RNC couldn't sink any lower, we get this. "

BW wrote on Aug 27, 2009 1:37 PM:

" father bob, you need to get a new race card. The one you have is getting really worn from overuse. "

The Question wrote on Aug 27, 2009 3:15 PM:

" Here's some Freedom of Religion Sauce to go with your Second Amendment Fries.
Remember the guy who brought the assault rifle to the Obama event down in Arizona? Turns out that the day before the event he attended a fiery anti-Obama sermon by his radical pastor in which his pastor said he was going to "pray for Barack Obama to die and go to hell." "

BW wrote on Aug 27, 2009 3:41 PM:

" TQ, can you prove that? "

The Question wrote on Aug 27, 2009 4:00 PM:

" " TQ, can you prove that? "
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Of course. You'll find all the evidence and the links on Talking Points Memo. He's Pastor Steven Anderson of the fundamentalist Faithful World Baptist Church in Tempe, AZ.
In his sermon, Anderson said, "You're going to tell me that I'm supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things you're gonna tell me I'm supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he's in Phoenix, Arizona? Nope. I'm not gonna pray for his good. I'm going to pray that he dies and goes to hell."
You can listen to the audio of this vicious, ranting right-wing nut job's full "sermon," if you like. Frankly, I'd rather hurl. "

BW wrote on Aug 27, 2009 4:34 PM:

" So, TQ, IF this guy is guilty by association for listening to his pastor's rants, does that mean that Pres. Obama is equally or more guilty for listening to his pastor's rants for 20 years? You didn't say whether the guy is a church member but I'm sure your "Talking Points Memo" (sounds like a real neutral source) will clear up any questions. I WILL read it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 27, 2009 5:55 PM:

" Funny but I can't recall Obama going around with an assault rifle after listening to his preacher. But I'm sure if I watch Glen Beck, or any of the other wackos on Fox, long enough they'll make that claim too. "

The Question wrote on Aug 27, 2009 6:15 PM:

" A Republican candidate for governor in Idaho had some fun talking about how he'd enjoying hunting the president like an animal.
Rex Rammell, a former elk rancher slated to run against incumbent C.L. "Butch" Otter in the May 2010 GOP primary, made the comment at a Republican rally Tuesday in Twin Falls where talk turned to the state's planned wolf hunt, for which hunters must purchase an $11.50 wolf tag.
When an audience member shouted a question about "Obama tags," Rammell responded, "The Obama tags? We'd buy some of those."
Rammell said Thursday he was just being sarcastic and sees no reason to apologize for the comment. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Aug 27, 2009 7:42 PM:

" The issue is not the guns at the debate the issue is: Why is it when the radical left/anarchist call for the overthrow of the government they called terrorist, yet when the radical right do it, its called patriotism.

The 2 days I lost respect for this country was first, when I saw a man who worked at Tremobile laid off around x-mas time holding a sign "will work for food family needs help". The second day was the day after 9-11 when my middle school had American flags drawn by students with words like "Kill them rag heads". As I grew older I research and study more and more about ideologies and governments, leading me more towards liking the overthrow idea. The liberals have new ideas just not radical enough for me and the Conservatives haven't come up with any good solutions besides "lower taxes" or "trim the budget". The rich own us all. remember that people. "

Bps wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:36 PM:

" lefty wrote on Aug 26, 2009 11:58 PM:
" BPS, the comment was not calling EVERY critic of the President a racist, just Glenn Beck, which is quite appropriate considering his remarks.

Additionally that Stossel article is pretty full of holes. He cites instances of ACTUAL racism (there IS a resurgence in racist militia groups) but instead he frames the issue as if to say these labels are being tied to the political right as a whole. "
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Lets look at the comment in question:

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:32 PM:
Considering that most of the major sponsors have bailed out on the Beck show for calling our president a racist, I think we know where Palin stands on the race issue. "
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I must assume you chose not to read or ignore my response on Beck in which I said:

(quote) Oh, for HP- as an aside I think Beck was also wrong to use it as an argument. There are more than enough facts to show how bad the programs are for the country. (end quote)

The next part by HP is the attempt to imply Palin is a racist because Beck used the racist smear on the president.

HUM, THAT SURE SUPPORTS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE DOESNT IT LEFTY?

See, HP basically calling Palin a racists in a left handed way because Beck did it to the president- you get the connection right?

DESTROYS YOUR ASSERTION IT WAS ONLY REFERRING TO BECK DOESNT IT, LEFTY?

I dont think even the Liberal Cadre of One would try to say that fbs new little toy word Whitewingers isnt an attempt at a slur.

Granted it is not a particular good one, but still an attempt at a racial slur- implying racism on the recipients part because they chose to dissent- you get the connection right?

HUM, THAT SURE SUPPORTS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE DOESNT IT LEFTY?

As far as Stossels comments - IT IS A BLOG, he is a broadcaster on ABC, he actually presents a fairly balanced attempt on this subject in a very short space.

Why yes, he does point out there is resurgence in racists militia which is the truth, BUT he also makes references to the media and dummy-crats attempts to use the race issue to brand almost anyone who disagrees with the presidents policy a racist or some other slur.

In such a short space he actually does it rather well.

GEE, FAIR AND BALANCED WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT HUM LEFTY?

PRESENTED BOTH SIDES OF FACTS DIDNT IT LEFTY?

HUM, STILL SUPPORTS MY POINT DOESNT IT LEFTY?

Sorry, but there is too much supporting evidence available to prove his premise that it has been an organized attempt by the left to smear and silence those who dissent with broad brushes of character smears.

To many have been hearing and seeing the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and many other spokespersons on TV and the many left-wing commentators who describe those who dissent against the Obama/Democratic Party policies (from the tea parties to the health care plan) as:

Nazis, mobs, tea-baggers, white racists, from the sinister right wing conspiracy, that they are sent by health insurance companies, the Republican Party, or by some other nefarious right-wing organization, and on and on.

They have also seen the SEIU and other thugs sent in by the Dummy-crats and then heard the national media continue to say, yep- nothing about that side.

SEEN THE CHICAGO STYLE THUGERY FIRST HAND HAVENT THEY LEFTY?

HUM, SUPPORTS MY POINT DOESNT IT LEFTY?

You can get your underware in a bunch if you want, but there are too many documented instances of your beloved party using this method of attack in an attempt to silence and intimidate those who dissent against their policies using the broad brush of racism and other slurs.

Funny thing, you only won by 7%. All of that margin plus came from folks in the middle being totally feed up with the previous criminals in charge for ignoring them.

You would have thought your clowns should have learned from the repub-a-clowns mistakes wouldnt you lefty?

Seen the big drop in independent support lefty? "

Bps wrote on Aug 27, 2009 8:59 PM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:07 AM:
" thanks Bps, you made my point. racism is very much alive and well in the GOP. "
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Snicker, giggle, chuckle, chortle.

Far be it from me to hurt your self esteem, so you have fun with that self-declared victory ok..

Here is a thought, maybe your other play buddies in the LCoO can make you feel even better by all jumping in and tell you how well you did, and how badly you all whipped that nasty ol BPS.

I am sure it would help you delude yourself a little longer and would help you ignore the continuing drop in the polls of your beloved.

You deserve it after all that hard work you put in to come up with your dumb little slur word.

Poor deluded Liberal Cadre of One, tsk, tsk.

But seriously, thanks for the humor. "

Bps wrote on Aug 27, 2009 10:10 PM:

" lefty wrote on Aug 27, 2009 9:48 AM:
" Agreed FATHER BOB! Why do people like BPS first slander those who point out ACTUAL racist attacks, THEN conclude with what is essentially a tacit acknowledgment; "Well, Beck shouldn't have said that..."

Said what?! You mean that racist rant you were initially defending (butbutbutbut the Democrats cry racism every time!)?

Nice juke and jive. Keep defending these jags. "
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You ignored some facts didnt you lefty?

Who first slandered:

father bob wrote on Aug 26, 2009 3:27 PM:
thanks....i forgot the Whitewingers

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 26, 2009 4:32 PM:
Considering that most of the major sponsors have bailed out on the Beck show for calling our president a racist, I THINK WE KNOW WHERE PALIN STANDS ON THE RACE ISSUE.

Gee I didnt post my reply to them until:

Bps wrote on Aug 26, 2009 9:33 PM:

Yep, wrong again lefty, but you probably hear that a lot.

As far as your little attempted twist on the Beck thing-

I actually said it was wrong of him to do just as in fact it is as wrong of fb to misuse it so trivially.

Racism is a very serious thing and should not be lightly thrown around.

Gee, someone who actually condemns actions by a person from his side of the issues and one from the opposite side of the issues for doing the same wrong thing, is that so strange to you lefty?

Of course the LCoO has already been proven to be hypocrites.

Since you appear to be a card carrying member of that little group, I suppose someone who actually is not being a hypocrite is something strange to you.

Yep, wrong all around, but you already knew that didnt you lefty?

Now you boys go play nice. I am sure all the other nice people on this site are getting tired of this little flame war and would like to see the high jacking of the thread to stop. "

lefty wrote on Aug 27, 2009 10:36 PM:

" First, BPS... wah!

Second, you said

"I must assume you chose not to read or ignore my response on Beck"

Oh I did. You still defend the racist accusations on the right while deriding racist accusations on the left. Clear hypocrisy. "

father bob wrote on Aug 28, 2009 9:26 AM:

" BW wrote on Aug 27, 2009 1:37 PM:
" father bob, you need to get a new race card. The one you have is getting really worn from overuse. """"""

thanks BW, your response only acknowledges what i've been posting, and fortifies my stand against whitewing radicals who condemn. if you don't like or agree with my posts, don't read or reply to them.....easy as that! "

sapient wrote on Aug 28, 2009 11:24 AM:

" And what about the union thugs,SEIU members, at the town meetings to intimidate those who disagree with the position of His Majesty? "

lefty wrote on Aug 28, 2009 12:50 PM:

" SAPIENT, get real. Have you ever met an SEIU "thug?" They're janitors and service workers.

I like the uncreative joining of union and thug from people who know neither. "

BW wrote on Aug 28, 2009 2:51 PM:

" fb, it's just that practically everything you post has some sort of racial connotation. Doesn't that one trick get old? "

even steven wrote on Aug 28, 2009 3:15 PM:

" No wonder President Pantywaist's toadies are all bent out of shape. They're all afraid of guns. "

father bob wrote on Aug 28, 2009 4:55 PM:

" Race-Based Protests Directed At Obama Go Beyond Health Care Town Halls:

Race-based attacks and criticism of President Obama have been on the rise during the dog days of August. And they're not just happening at health care town hall protests.

A reader sent over a picture of a group of protesters camped outside Rep. Susan Davis's (D-Calif.). "Neighborhood Day" event this past week, brandishing signs calling the president a Black Supremacist and suggesting he's a Nazi disciple.

"Black National Socialism Is Not Utopia," reads one poster.

the whitewinger's assault continues.... "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 28, 2009 6:43 PM:

" Calling for an end to racism by inducing your own brand of racism is a lost cause, & will never help anything.

Calling for civility when Bush, or any other Prez for that matter, was in office didn't work, neither will it work for Obama.

Until a Prez with a brain cell for "all of the people", with no ties, can be put into that seat, it'll continue to be the same-o same-o ways. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 28, 2009 8:18 PM:

" That wont happen Rotty. There is too many idiots on both sides screaming and yelling ate each other no one in the middle could hear a thing, nor get to far. "

The Question wrote on Aug 29, 2009 7:03 AM:

" Here's the consequence of American fascist gun insanity.
The founder of Blackwater USA deliberately caused the deaths of innocent civilians in a series of shootings in Iraq, attorneys for Iraqis told a federal judge Friday. The attorneys singled out Erik Prince, a former Navy SEAL who is the company's owner, for blame in the deaths.
In September 2007 in central Baghdad, Blackwater thugs opened fire on Iraqis in a crowded street, killing 17 civilians. Five former Blackwater guards have been indicted on federal charges in 14 of those shootings. A sixth guard pleaded guilty.
Gosh, if you can't trust Dick Cheney's private goon squad of Christian fanatic death mercenaries, who can you trust? "

Mama says wrote on Aug 29, 2009 10:30 AM:

" Mama feels like a WHITE HUNTRESS when camping/hunting wearing cami's, boots, helmet, have a rifle and sidearm, and knife. But if showedup at the COURT HOUSE, am sure go to jail. People, learn to be less insane. AND am joking about the attire and guns. Well about the helmet, and boots. I do own cami pants and shirt. I like them when hiding out at home and not wanting anyone spoil the aftenoon nap. hehe. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 29, 2009 11:42 AM:

" I see where Mr Looney Tunes, Glen Beck, is throwing a hissy fit because the white house is ignoring him. Why should the president be obligated to respond to his ego maniacal self serving rants? Is the white house somehow obligated to respond to this propagandist for the GOP? I don't think so. Apparently Obama is not alone in his distaste for Beck's craziness, most of his sponsors have bailed out too. Obviously there is a reason for that. The right wing wackos are eating him up and I see where he even beat their number on guy, Billo the self admitted sexual harasser, last week. The nuttier he gets, the higher his ratings. That sort of tells us why fewer and fewer people are willing to admit to being part of the increasingly radical GOP. "

father bob wrote on Aug 29, 2009 3:54 PM:

" BW wrote on Aug 28, 2009 2:51 PM:

" fb, it's just that practically everything you post has some sort of racial connotation. Doesn't that one trick get old? """""

as i said....don't read 'em! (pssst..i think there's a blog you'd like over at Fox. check it out after your Klan meeting) "

Cristasphoto wrote on Sep 6, 2009 3:45 AM:

" I agree Ginny.
Im surprised the Secret Service didnt take these clowns down to the nut house where they belong.
Lincoln and JFK .MLK, RFK now Obama.
NO!!!!!
We WILL not lose nother good man to the sick assasins in our society. "