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Friday, August 14, 2009 9:57 PM CDT
LETTER: Look at a list of what Palin doesn't have

LEROY HANKINS, Mattoon

What Sarah Palin doesn’t have:

Sarah does not have friendly relations with Wm. Ayers and his bomber wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Both would be in prison were it not for a technical courtroom error.

She does not have a pandering, race baiting pastor of her church. She does not belong to a church that gave a life-time achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, leader of an Islamic organization in the U.S.

She does not have a record of attending a church for 20 years where the pastor hated the U.S.

She did not have friendly relations with a shady real estate agent who gave friends “sweetheart” deals in obtaining housing. She did not join a church in order to have a political base to help her win an election.

Sarah has made executive-level decisions for years before her enemies even knew who she was.

She had her church burned by her political enemies. She has had cadres of moral invalids harass her and her family trying to find some fault.

She has nitpicking women who find fault with every demeanor or manner of dress. She has had her children and family attacked by the crudest, low level goons.

No one kicks a dead dog, but they try to destroy one they fear.

Righteousness is a horrid threat to the left-leaning loons; the very ones that elected Obama.

She fought corruption in Alaska when her own party was to blame.

Who would make the better president, Sarah or Barack Hussein?

LEROY HANKINS

Mattoon

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jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:41 AM:

" Yes but she is not Hilliary and she is supposed to be the first in everything political. If she is not the first woman president or vice-president then the world will end. She is entitled to it. "

The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 7:43 AM:

" You forgot a few of the things Palin doesn't have: brains, honesty and a job. I don't think winking counts as a job. "

Julio wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:10 AM:

" You a little prejudice Leroy?
Yes I do fear Palin. People like you will vote her in office just like you did with George Bush.
The George Bush thing didn't work out too well and now you're eager to put another incompetent right winger behind the wheel.
Why don't you do us all a favor and stay out of politics. "

midwest girl wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Amen Leroy! Glad to know there are still reasonable people out there!!!! She poses such a threat because of her values. I am tired of all the hate directed her way! "

HeinekenMan wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:25 AM:

" Sarah Palin also does not have a Harvard law degree. Nor a history of helping the less fortunate. Nor, it appears, a modicum of common sense. But she does have a big, angry mouth, which she uses to tell blatant lies.

Obama no longer attends the church you mention. He distanced himself from the church when his pastor used the extra attention to trumpet his own issues. Obama also doesn't appear to be a very religious person. My guess is that he might not even subscribe to organized religion. But he doesn't have a choice. After all, the right would persecute anyone who doesn't believe in THEIR view of God and the afterlife. Of course, they don't actually believe that nonsense. Otherwise, why would they go around lying about these fictional "death panels" and claiming Obama is racist to scare people into a fervor just like they did when the told everyone Iraq was going to bomb us if we didn't invade the country?

You do remember the last of those items, right? CIA head George Tenet was asked by Bush to twist reality. Remember that? Remember when Bush rewarded him with a Medal of Freedom? Now that, my friend, is a serious crime. At last check, more than 4,000 soldiers gave their lives to fight in a war based on lies.

If anyone deserves to be in the big house, it's probably George W. Bush and his handlers. And it's Bush to whom Palin has aligned herself. Well, Bush and Ted Stevens. Perhaps you've heard of the man. Palin worked for Stevens as recently as 2003. Stevens, you might recall, is a convicted felon.

Palin also campaigned for Sen. Saxby Chambliss, the Georgia senator who once accused a man who lost three limbs in the Vietnam War of supporting terrorists. Chambliss also suggested in November 2001 that Georgia's sheriffs could round up and arrest all of the muslim people who came into the state. Oh, that's not all. Chambliss also referred to black voters in Georgia as "the other folks" during his 2008 campaign and made it clear that his base was white people. It should come as no surprise that a Google search for the keywords "Chambliss is scum" generates 11,000 hits.

And the list goes on. Let us not forget Ken Lay, who was a personal friend fo George W. Bush. Lay, of course, was convicted of 10 counts of felony fraud for orchestrating the Enron scandal that led to the company's collapse and the loss of millions of dollars in retirement money for people who worked for the company. Bush even rode on Lay's company jet a number of times and called upon the advice of a guy he called "Kenny Boy" to help him make executive appointments.

As for Obama's relationship with Ayers, both men have characterized it as a casual one. They do not go out in the helicopter together to shoot wolves. They do not fly in each other's corporate jets. They just happened to work at the same university and live in the same neighborhood for some time. That required them to rub shoulders now and then. If you believe there's more to their relationship, I invite you to provide proof. Surely, you understand the concept of proof. For example, it is what the court used to convict Stevens, Republican Congressman Tom DeLay and Republican Congressman Duke Cunningham of felony crimes. Without it, you are nothing more than a crotchety windbag who doesn't understand politics or the world.

As for the question of whether Sarah Palin or Obama would make the best president, we'll never know. There is absolutely no chance that Palin will be elected. Anyone who believes she has a chance is a silly fool. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:41 AM:

" LEROY HANKINS, Mattoon

What Sarah Palin doesnt have:

Sarah does not have friendly relations with Wm. Ayers and his bomber wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Both would be in prison were it not for a technical courtroom error.

-Leroy probably doesn't realize that Ayers has turned his life around and has become an award winning educator.

She does not have a pandering, race baiting pastor of her church. She does not belong to a church that gave a life-time achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, leader of an Islamic organization in the U.S.

-No, she has one who performs devil cleansing ceremonies for his flock, and not surprisingly Leroy Hankins manages to insult one of the world's leading religion.

She does not have a record of attending a church for 20 years where the pastor hated the U.S.

-No, she dropped her extremely fundamentalist church in favor of one not so controversial when she decided to give politics a go.

She did not have friendly relations with a shady real estate agent who gave friends sweetheart deals in obtaining housing. She did not join a church in order to have a political base to help her win an election.

-The jury is still out on her mansion that has a cloud of suspicion surrounding it, stay turned for that one, commonly called house-gate in Alaska.

Sarah has made executive-level decisions for years before her enemies even knew who she was.

-Yes, she sure has, like ramrodding a multi-million dollar sports complex through in that little Arcola sized town, that has left that place in serious debt. (inherited a surplus and left a gigantic debt-sound familiar)

She had her church burned by her political enemies. She has had cadres of moral invalids harass her and her family trying to find some fault.

-Funny I never read where where her political enemies burned her church down, pure speculation on the part of Leroy, I suspect. Perhaps he will do a followup letter explaining that one. lol!

She has nitpicking women who find fault with every demeanor or manner of dress. She has had her children and family attacked by the crudest, low level goons.

-Sarah chose to drag her dysfunctional brood into the fray.

No one kicks a dead dog, but they try to destroy one they fear.

-Actually no one fears her, most Dems are hoping and praying she gets the GOP nod.

Righteousness is a horrid threat to the left-leaning loons; the very ones that elected Obama.

-I hardly think her self serving and scheming agenda should be called righteousness.

-With that one Leroy has managed to insult over half the voters.

She fought corruption in Alaska when her own party was to blame.

-Yes she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it.

Who would make the better president, Sarah or Barack Hussein?

- the answer: The honorable Barack Obama

Just another letter from another sorehead loser. "

jayce wrote on Aug 15, 2009 9:22 AM:

" Well stated!!!! "

Elbert wrote on Aug 15, 2009 9:49 AM:

" Thank you for your opinion. Mr. Hankins
I gather that you didn't vote for Mr Obama.
What else doesn't Ms. Palin have
1. a job; she quit
2. a respect for the truth i.e. death panels. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 11:17 AM:

" jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:41 AM:

" Yes but she is not Hilliary and she is supposed to be the first in everything political. If she is not the first woman president or vice-president then the world will end. She is entitled to it.

Must you whine about everything, jr? lol! "

STINKY wrote on Aug 15, 2009 11:22 AM:

" I heard from an old friend of mine that Sarah was back to hooking like in the good old days. Anyone else hear this? I imagine it is bill, but I am not for sure. "

Collatine wrote on Aug 15, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Elbert - respect for the truth? Odd. The President was so unnerved by her comment that he had to address it the other day; journalists initially scoffed at it, and then said, "hm, she has a point." And finally, the Senate removed provisions from their bills that could be (mis)interpreted as a death panel. Pretty effective use of rhetoric... could we even say "clinton-esque."

Clearly, Palin won that debate.

And Palin, unlike Obama, isn't shafting her paid position to fund her campaign. It was a disgrace for Illinois to have Senator Obama missing in action for so long. Quitting made the most sense for her state. Kind of like Nixon did... before coming back years later to win the White House.

That being said, the last line of the letter asks who would make the better President. So far, Obama has made a miserable President, but that's not to say he won't learn after the congressional elections next year, like Pres Clinton did. And I hope Palin is not the other choice in 3 years. I'd hope the opposition party puts up a formidable executive, so we could have a serious race, bereft of constant liberal charges of racism or sexism. "

beetle wrote on Aug 15, 2009 1:35 PM:

" Oh Leroy , Leroy ,Leroy ,You fell into Sarahs little wink wink " you betcha " grasp. What palin doesnt have is a BRAIN. Remember she had to ask what the vice president does.Hmmmmm...didnt we learn that in school. However she has read ALL the newspapers so maybe she is more informed then we thought. As for the nitpicking it goes both ways and to answer your question of who would make a better president we know who wasnt and he just left office. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 2:22 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 7:43 AM:
" You forgot a few of the things Palin doesn't have: brains, honesty and a job. I don't think winking counts as a job. "

Yep she is so stupid that she became Governor of Alaska, ABC had to edit her interview because the answers were to good, and got nominated for the Vice-Presidential position. What have you done? Besides show your lack of class, and twist facts using your talking points. Oh and lets not forget when confronted with facts just change the subject. "

AnnaNiemaus wrote on Aug 15, 2009 3:01 PM:

" Here's another thing she doesn't have: She doesn't have medical bills for Alaska's rape victims; she has them pay for their own rape kits. After all, I'm sure they were dressed inappropriately.

This just has to be evidence that the woman knows how to turn an economy around. And look at the vast knowledge she has from reading newspapers - all of them!

Palin~Bachmann 2012! "

father bob wrote on Aug 15, 2009 3:32 PM:

" midwest girl wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Amen Leroy! Glad to know there are still reasonable people out there!!!! She poses such a threat because of her values.''''

HONEY.....she has no values. she's prostituted what inkling of morality she had. run her in 2012! it will insure an obama second term... "

Danny Boy wrote on Aug 15, 2009 3:43 PM:

" She has as much intelligence as a pet rock......You Betcha!!

She can see Russia from her front porch, you Betcha!! "

kamfong wrote on Aug 15, 2009 4:05 PM:

" She doesn't have a soninlaw. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:06 PM:

" ONE THING Sarah Palin DOES HAVE ON HER RECORD -- and she's so stupid and such a hypocrite she's not embarrassed about it -- is PRAISE for the living wills and "advanced directives" such as she now attacks as "death panels".

In 2008, before she was a candidate, she declared "Health Care Decisions Day" to be observed on April 16, 2008.

She urged everyone to prepare living wills, end-of-life advanced directives, etc. On comments to Bailey Young's letter I posted the preamble to the Official Declaration she issued from her office as Governor of Alaska. You
can read more there. But I MUST leave here her concluding paragraph of the preamble:
"WHEREAS, the Foundation for End of Life Care in Juneau, Alaska, and other organizations throughout the United States have endorsed this event and are committed to educating the public about the importance of discussing healthcare choices and executing advance directives........."

WOW that sounds almost exactly like the proposal she now RANTS ABOUT. It
will GAG you; but if you want to read more of her Declaration of "Health Care Decisions Day", for a more complete list of things she urges people to do re end-of-life planning, go to near the bottom of comments on Bailey's letter.
Sarah's mind, or what purports to be such, just goes with the flow, like a feather in a whirlpool.....DUMMMMMMM
Thanks to Leroy Hankins for providing us with an opportunity to discuss what Sarah HAS. "

The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:10 PM:

" "I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out." --the Quitter Queen of the Frozen North (and Brain), referring to a department that DOES NOT EXIST while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn't be subjected to the same ethics investigations that drove her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:13 PM:

" Heinekin Man:"After all, the right would persecute anyone who doesn't believe in THEIR view of God and the afterlife. Of course, they don't actually believe that nonsense.

Good Point, HM. IF they actually BELIEVED their view of God, they would WELCOME death because it would take them to their HEAVEN. Golden streets, sexy angels..... Sure sounds better than Charleston. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:37 PM:

" Most people were unaware that Sarah Palin was ATTACKING FELLOW REPUBLICANS until the article in this morning's (Sat) TC.
In case you missed it, I'll give you a few of the points:
"the government ALREADY **REQUIRES** hospitals and nursing homes to help patients with those legal documents (end-of-life directives), if they want support, under a 1992 law PASSED UNDER **REPUBLICAN** PRESIDENT GEORGE H. W. BUSH."

"REPUBLICAN Senator Johnny Isaacson was among the most enthusiastic backers of end-of-life counseling in government health care programs like Medicare." In fact he and OTHER REPUBLICAN Senators such as Lugar and Collins "have co-sponsored legislation in recent years promoting the counseling, including in initial Medicare visits and through a proposed government-run insurance program for long-term care. In the House, REPUBLICAN Reps Charles Boustany (LA), Geoff Davis (KY), and Patrick Tiberi (OH) co-sponsored legislation from Rep Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) that would authorize Medicare to pay for the counseling. THAT measure served as a model for the current House language."

WOW, WOW (i.e. Double WOW). Why didn't Palin name all these sinning REPUBLICANS who favored bills authorizing payment for her "death panels".

Could she have been IGNORANT of these bills? Maybe. Maybe just
Palin-Ignorant as usual.

And I wonder how these Senators and Representatives feel about being crucified by a woman who was recently their vice presidential candidate.
[PS: Thanks for the TC for printing this revealing article!!!!!] "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:43 PM:

" Stinky:"I heard from an old friend of mine that Sarah was back to hooking like in the good old days."

Stinky, every time she stands up and opens her mouth, she is "hooking". "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:47 PM:

" Collatine:"Clearly, Palin won that debate."

Yes, Collatine, she did.

But when you lie in a hospital bed, spending your last months on a ventilator, so you can't even talk to your loved ones, hooked up to feeding tubes ... you may THEN not be so sure that she "won"...... "

medic57 wrote on Aug 15, 2009 6:30 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 7:43 AM:

" You forgot a few of the things Palin doesn't have: brains, honesty and a job. I don't think winking counts as a job. "

Really

However, she did have enough brains to graduate college, she did have enough beauty and poise to win a beauty contest, she did have enough brains to be elected to The Wasilla City Council, she did have enough brains to be elected mayor of Wasilla, she did have enough brains to be elected Governor of Alaska, she did have enough brains to be commander in cheif of the Alaska National Guard, which, by the way, is our 1st line of defense should the Russions attack, she did work on commercial fishing boats, she loves to hunt. And she did have 5 children while doing all of this, including a severely hadicapped child.

What more could you ask for in a President or a wife or mother? So here daughter got pregnant! Like she's the 1st one ever. She didn't abort it or dump it in a trash can. When scr__ing stops feeling good, teenagers won't do it anymore.

What has our great leader done? Let's see, he sent Bill Clinton to trade who knows what to North Korea for 2 idiots who decided to camp there, He is in the middle of passing a health care plan that know one wants and will cost 1.5 Trillion Dollars, He has to Israel to stop building settlements, Netanyahu promptly told him to go f__k himself. He wants to deal with Iran, North Korea and Venezuela and Cuba.
However, he hasn't said anything about Hama lobbing bombs at Israel. I relize Obama inherited a major mess from Bush, but what has he done to make any of it any better?

Nope, my vote will go to Palin for President, it's about time we have one with Beauty, Honesty, Grace, Poise and Brains. "

Bps wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:06 PM:

" So liberal cadre, not such a good week for your cause of remaking America into a socialist paradise was it?

What are the polls telling us about how well the American citizens think your anointed one and his minions in congress are doing?

* On Thursday, the Presidents Job Approval ratings fell to a new low at 47%

* Support for the Presidents health care reform fell to its lowest level yet- just 42% now support the plan working its way through Congress

* 51% say they fear the governments role in health care more than they fear private insurance companies

* Only 32% favor single-payer health care while 57% ARE OPPOSED.

* 60 % say the US is on the Wrong Track

* 62% of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. (Pst- these are the guys who have really decided the last three Presidential elections)

Yep, best to just keep focusing on Ms. Palin (who has almost no chance to ever run at the national level) or anything else than the main issues of the day.

What is that called in Psychological terms???

Is it called-

denial: an unconscious defense mechanism used to reduce anxiety by denying thoughts, feelings, or facts that are consciously intolerable "

Jenny Reader wrote on Aug 15, 2009 10:25 PM:

" Yes, Thank goodness she's not another Hillary. We don't need Bill back in office. Thank goodness she's not afraid to fight corruption in office of any party -- and moose too. While she might not be as smooth and suave, at least she's not willing to kill unborn babies and that is more important than if she has an annoying little wink. Mr. Hankins is right. She would make a better president that what we have. "

unknownjoe wrote on Aug 16, 2009 12:49 AM:

" TQ and Harry. What a couple of drama queens. "

medic57 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 2:41 AM:

" Leroy probably doesn't realize that Ayers has turned his life around and has become an award winning educator.

Harry

Some of the 911 Hijackers were educators too. "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:32 AM:

" Sarah Palin PERSONIFIES the very reasons America is in the mess it's in aggressively ignorant, self-pitying narcissism shamelessly shilling for the highest bidder as it sashays itself down the American Idol runway, absolutely certain that God wants it to have designer clothes. "

prairieguy wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:36 AM:

" The woman is a moron. "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:42 AM:

" This one, please:
In the name of the U.S. troops, why doesn't Palin learn elementary American history before she flaps her yap?
She is an ignoramus who ACTUALLY THINKS the founding fathers wrote the Pledge of Allegiance.
---
Question: Are you offended by the phrase "Under
God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
--
The pledge, of course, was not written until 1892 and the words "under God" were not added until the 1950s, in a fit of rabid McCarthyism.
FYI, right wingers, the pledge you worship was written by one of those awful socialists. "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 2:42 PM:

" "They're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, GETTING THE VICE PRESIDENT'S JOB COMPLETELY WRONG after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008.
In other words, she had no idea about the duties of the JOB SHE WAS ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR. "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 4:10 PM:

" Conservative newspaper columnist Kathleen Parker said, and I quote, "If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself." "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:17 PM:

" Yep, best to just keep focusing on Ms. Palin ....

Pssst.....hey Bps, this thread is about Palin. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:24 PM:

" For some interesting reading, Google: Is Sarah Palin nuts. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:36 PM:

" RETREAT! DEMS ABANDONING LEADERSHIP ADVICE

THE HILL (Aug 15 2009) An August in which Democrats were supposed to return home to sell the merits of a universal healthcare plan has turned into one where members are publicly fending for themselves.

Some have even shunned the talking points and tactics their leaders encouraged them to use to gin up support for the Democratic healthcare bill as theyve engaged with sometimes hostile constituents.
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Oh how the mighty Libtards have fallen!

*sniff* *sniff*

ROFLMAO! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:42 PM:

" LIBTARDS HAVE INTENTIONAL SHORT MEMORIES ABOUT EXTREMISTS ON THEIR SIDE:

- The Weathermen: "With a charismatic and articulate leadership whose revolutionary positions were characterized by anti-imperialist, feminist, and Black liberationist rhetoric, the group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s, including aiding the jailbreak and escape of Timothy Leary. The "Days of Rage," their first public demonstration on October 8, 1969, was a riot in Chicago timed to coincide with the trial of the Chicago Seven. In 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government, under the name "Weather Underground Organization" (WUO)." "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:46 PM:

" LIBTARDS HAVE INTENTIONAL SHORT MEMORIES ABOUT EXTREMISTS ON THEIR SIDE (CONTINUED):

- ACT UP: "In December 1989, approximately 4,500 protesters arrived at St. Patrick's Cathedral during Mass in a demonstration directed toward the Roman Catholic Archdiocese's public stand against AIDS education and condom distribution, as well as its opposition to abortion. One-hundred and eleven protesters were arrested. Camille Paglia wrote in a December 2008 Salon column that a consecrated Host was desecrated by a protester, an act considered by Catholics to be blasphemous and an outrage."
-----------

My how polite, reasonable, and level-headed these Lefties are.

"Civil Discourse" don't cha know.... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:51 PM:

" LIBTARDS HAVE INTENTIONAL SHORT MEMORIES ABOUT EXTREMISTS ON THEIR SIDE (CONTINUED):

THE SEIU: "The violence in Michigan and the specific targeting of women labor leaders is reprehensible and should have no place in our labor movement or our country," said Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of CNA/NNOC. "For Andy Stern to direct this attack and its cover up is abusive, immoral, and unacceptable behavior. He demonstrates why RNs across the country want no part of an organization like SEIU."
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The Left and Union Thuggery goes together like Obama and Health Care Lobbyists. It's all a match made in he!! "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:53 PM:

" "You'll be there to defend the innocents from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans." Sarah Palin, lying to U.S. troops by linking the Iraq war to the 9/11 attacks while addressing soldiers shipping off to Iraq, Fairbanks, Alaska, Sept. 11, 2008. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:57 PM:

" LIBTARDS HAVE INTENTIONAL SHORT MEMORIES ABOUT EXTREMISTS ON THEIR SIDE (CONTINUED):

CODE PINK: Blocking Marine recruiting stations, tying up traffic, disrupting Congressional hearings, and, worst of all, protesting outside Walter Reed Army Hospital.
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Now there you have it. The Libtards idea of real American Patriotism- Code friggin Pink. Denigrating the U.S. military, like the true treasonous slime we all know them to be. I'll bet you Libtards are especially proud of them- aren't you Question. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:07 PM:

" LIBTARDS HAVE INTENTIONAL SHORT MEMORIES ABOUT EXTREMISTS ON THEIR SIDE (CONTINUED):

- ALF and ELF: Eco-terrorism, with numerous attacks on property, including at UCLA
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No no- no Left-Wing terrorism there......of course not...... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:10 PM:

" LIBTARDS HAVE INTENTIONAL SHORT MEMORIES ABOUT EXTREMISTS ON THEIR SIDE (CONTINUED):

- Unions: "The National Institute for Labor Relations Research has compiled a list of incidents of union violence that average nearly 300 per year for the last 30 years."
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Ah yes. The Libtards version of "helping" the poor working class.....one threat...er I uh mean ONE UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT at a time. *whew* Gotta be careful there..... "

Bps wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:24 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:17 PM:
" Yep, best to just keep focusing on Ms. Palin ....

Pssst.....hey Bps, this thread is about Palin. lol! "
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Ah ya, I assumed so since the title of the letter to the editor was- Look at a list of what Palin doesn't have.

My point was and is it is a good for you and your cadre to keep focused on her since she hasnt much of a chance to achieve high national office and the last several weeks (months?) havent been so good to your cause.

Gosh it seems just like yesterday you and crew were telling everyone how she wasnt ready for VP and now we find out that your candidate for President wasnt ready for even the VP office either.

It is a good thing that she helps keep your mind off the real issues of how your anointed one and his buds Pelosi and the Reid have shown their socialistic hand way to soon and he is bungling his way to being worse than both the clown before him and good ol Jimmie combined.

All we need now is price controls and run away inflation and it will feel just like those good old Carter days. "

medic57 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:45 PM:

" The Question

Obama wants to cut the Military by 25%.

Ever een Red Dawn? "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:49 PM:

" Is there any real difference between someone who DOES NOT read and someone who CANNOT READ?
"All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." ―the brainless Palin, incredibly unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Sept. 30, 2008. She pathetically regarded the slow-pitch softball question of being asked what she reads as a "gotcha" trap by the press. "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 8:09 PM:

" "Well, let's see. There's of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ― "
―the ridiculous motor-mouth Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 16, 2009 8:22 PM:

" Leave it to one of the disgruntled losers to whine about comments made about Palin on a thread about her. LOL! "

what? wrote on Aug 16, 2009 9:27 PM:

" Does Sarah Palin have a fan club or does a fan club have Sarah Palin? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:25 PM:

" Gov Palin, with a few well placed keystrokes on Facebook, called out the reality of the "Death Panels" in the proposed ObamaCare clusterfark with a clarity that was unmatched by any other political figure in the country. And in short order she caused the power-mad Democrats to fold like a cheap government-made suit. The "End of Life" provisions were quickly dropped, and the "Public Option" was removed shortly thereafter. Ah yes, the might Democrat Socialist Machine, led by it's Affirmative-Action-endowed Harvard "educated" "intellectual" Empty-Suit Bulls!*tter in Chief, brought down by the supposed simpleton snowbilly of Alaska.

But alas, Sarah Palin displayed more cajones in one short week, than any other lone individual in the entire political arena during the whole of this debate. In short, Saracuda went on the hunt and easily fulfilled the worst nightmare of the delusional Libtard legions: The Cuda quickly, and skillfully, field-dress one metro-sexual girlie-boy of a "president" and dealt him a political setback that will stick to him for the rest of his one-term in office. And THAT my friends, embodies the greatness, the exceptionalism, that IS America.

Nicely done Governor Palin. Nicely done. Let the hunt continue. "

The Question wrote on Aug 17, 2009 7:36 AM:

" "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." ― the moronic religious demagogue Sarah Palin, lying that the Iraq invasion and occupation is a divine crusade while speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008. "

medic57 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 8:20 AM:

" 7X6Z9

While I agree with almost everything you say, I will ask this, tell me, what do I tell my 23 year old handicapped son in Florida, (who reads this collum) when he asks me, Dad, what is a libtard? Now remember, you're not giving me the answer, you are giving tne nswer to a man who learned to tie his shoes when he was 19 yers old because his fine motor skills aren't worth a dump. Tell HIM what a libtard is. If you have the guts to. "

Collatine wrote on Aug 17, 2009 8:34 AM:

" Cognitus - I won't be in that situation because I have a living will. It's not the government's job to pay doctors to convince others to get one. Aside from just creepy, that's the individual's responsibility. "

Elbert wrote on Aug 17, 2009 8:36 AM:

" Collatine:
Thank you for your comment on Aug 15
You seem to be arguing that an untruth, especially one such as the use of the term death panels is the way to win a debate. And, unfortunately, she has apparently won the debate so people will not have the insurance-supported opportunity to make informed decisions about what type of care they want.
I try to use facts, that is why I have taken the time to read the bill. Admittedly, it is a very difficult bill to try to understand.

Perhaps Ms. Palin didnt understand what the purpose of the republicans who put the item in the bill were trying to do. If so, she spoke out of ignorance which is unfortunate as many pay attention to what she says. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 8:40 AM:

" REVERSAL: WHITE HOUSE NOW SAYS SEBELIUS "MISSPOKE" ABOUT PUBLIC OPTION

THE ATLANTIC (Aug 16 2009) An administration official said tonight that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius "misspoke" when she told CNN this morning that a government run health insurance option "is not an essential part" of reform. This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President. The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president's view, the most important element of the reform package.
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Oh this will be helpful for Obama! LOL

Can this Administration really be THIS inept? Really? Well ah......yes.
You know? It's almost as if...Obama never had any executive experience at actually governing anything. Oh wait.....he hasn't. ROFLMAO

If this was an attempt at a "trial balloon", it was played very badly. Or, this signals that Obama has completely lost control of the issue- which is even worse. Go ahead, pick your poison- Libtards.

Geez. Your boy is losing credibility by the hour. Hope-N-Change baby! Hope-N-Change. LOL "

Becky wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:17 AM:

" I don't look for theological "values" in a President. That's what pastors are for. Quit trying to cram your "religious values" down my throat!!! Rightousness is no where to be found in the United States Constitution! Liberty on the other hand is, which is every ones own right to live the way they choose without interference from government. So is freedom of religion Mr. Hankins. It's there so our government cannot dictate our religious "values" to us because that's how they believe. Get it yet Mr. Hankin? That's why I don't want Mrs. Palin for Pres. She's way too theological in her views and it's highly UNCONSTITUTIONAL to allow her to rule from the most powerful position in the world while she is forcing her religious zealoutry down EVERYONE'S throats. You can pray to whatever god you want and you can have your own religous beliefs. You can go to what ever church you want and carry that faith with you wherever you go. More power to you. But the office of the President of the United States is NOT a pulpit Mr. Hankins and it should NEVER be treated as such! EVER! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:51 AM:

" " Tell HIM what a libtard is. If you have the guts to. "
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Sure Medic: "A Libtard is father bob, Harry Potter, The Question and everyone who repeats their talking-points. Read their posts, son, and see how 'funny' they are."

There. Happy Medic? "

father bob wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:03 AM:

" The only death panels, Ms. Palin, are the figurative ones you have inspired with such irresponsible, dangerous, facile, vile, hate speech. The death of common sense. The death of logic.The death, perhaps, of Democracy, at the hands of mob rule. "

The Question wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:17 AM:

" "What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?" -- Sarah "five colleges in six years" Palin, asking Wasilla librarian Mary Ellen Emmons about banning books right after taking office in 1996. America's Quittin' Queen of Dumbness later lied and said she has never tried to ban books, of course. "

The Question wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:52 AM:

" In an editorial denouncing Democratic health reform plans, Investors Business Daily tried to
frighten its readers by declaring that in Britain, where the government runs health care, the handicapped physicist Stephen Hawking "wouldnt have a chance," because the National Health Service
would consider his life "essentially worthless." Professor Hawking, who was born in Britain, has lived there all his life, and has been well cared for by the National Health Service, was not amused.
Funny how these right-wing lies sometimes backfire, isn't it? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 17, 2009 12:49 PM:

" Tell HIM what a libtard is. If you have the guts to. "

It doesn't take guts to say anything on this site, medic.

Just hope he doesn't get started on his short bus jokes again. He's been known for making fun of kids with physical and mental challenges. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 17, 2009 12:52 PM:

" AP -- Former Republican Majority Leader Tom DeLay will join 15 celebrities from the worlds of entertainment and sports in kicking up their heels on the new season of "Dancing With the Stars."

Now there's something for Sarah. She and the disgraced GOP biggie would make a great pair. lol! "

even steven wrote on Aug 17, 2009 1:12 PM:

" It's funny to see the loony leftists still have their panties in a bunch over Palin. I love it when they say she isn't smart. So, how's the genius, Joe Biden working out as VP? He's got the IQ of a potato and makes Dan Quayle look like an intellectual. Leftists are so deluded and silly. "

Collatine wrote on Aug 17, 2009 2:30 PM:

" Elbert - it's a moot point now because it won't be in the bill passed by the Senate. You misunderstood the intention of the provisions, as Ms. Palin explained on Facebook: doctors would be incented to encourage people to "just take the pill" instead of getting surgery towards the end of their lives.

While that's a conversation most physicians will have with their patients, it's creepy to think the government would reward doctors who are successful in achieving lower-cost alternatives (i.e., "just take the pill, shut up, and die!")

As an aside, everyone keeps complaining that Americans spend too much on health care (as a percentage of GDP) compared to other nations. I was inclined to believe that until I read Craig Karpel's "We don't spend enough of health care" in today's Wall Street Journal. Reasonable people can disagree, but it's compelling. Google it. "

kamfong wrote on Aug 17, 2009 2:46 PM:

" Did ya'll see where that little african american kid,was granted an interview with obama and made him & biden "official homeboys"?lol "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 2:50 PM:

" CANADA'S TOP DOCTOR: CANADIAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM 'IMPLODING'! UHM....MAYBE WE NEED PRIVATE HEALTH-CARE DELIVERY.

The Canadian Press (Aug 15 2009) "We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Dr. Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

.....Dr. Ouellet believes there could be a role for private health-care delivery within the public system.
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But but but.....I thought Canada's Universal Health-Care System was the magic center-piece for their wondrous Liberal utopia.

Golly! So many Libtard myths are simply "imploding" lately. Kinda makes ya wonder....... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 2:55 PM:

" father bob wrote - " The only death panels, Ms. Palin, are the figurative ones you have inspired with such irresponsible, dangerous, facile, vile, hate speech. The death of common sense. The death of logic.The death, perhaps, of Democracy, at the hands of mob rule. "
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See Medic? Bobby just demonstrated what it means to be a "Libtard". "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 17, 2009 2:56 PM:

" Birther: Someone who has given birth.

Birther/Libtard are jargon terms, or buzz words.

So, since the term "Birther" is used, should all females, who have children, feel insulted & degraded?

(Let's see if this makes it past the Moderator now, since these words "HAVE been allowed through already", or if I'm censored again.) "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 3:14 PM:

" LITTLE-DICK DURBIN: MEETING WITH CONSTITUENTS "NOT PRODUCTIVE".
KNOW WHAT IS PRODUCTIVE? MEETING WITH LOBBYISTS!

PANTAGRAPH.COM (Aug 13 2009) SPRINGFIELD - Rather than participate in a town hall-style public session to discuss President Barack Obamas push for an overhaul of health care, Durbin has held six meetings with health care officials.
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Meeting with the people who voted you into office? Meh. Not productive. Meeting with people who can buy your way back into office when the voters erupt in anger? Highly productive! It's the Chicago Way baby.

Now about that BIG EVIL PHARMA DEAL that Obama made in exchange for billions of lobbyist dollars for ObamaCare........where's all the outrageously-outraged-outrage from all you Libtards on that?

Anyone?

*silence* * * * * * * * * "

father bob wrote on Aug 17, 2009 3:19 PM:

" i see where GMAC dumped Glenn Beck today....how long until cluster fox does? "

father bob wrote on Aug 17, 2009 3:23 PM:

" hehehehe!!!

Palin for President!

Palin for President!

Palin for President!

hey, i'm behind her nomination 100%.... "

father bob wrote on Aug 17, 2009 3:37 PM:

" just in case you've forgotten just how radical and evil palin is, let's revisit it again:

http://tinyurl.com/rxhzgl "

father bob wrote on Aug 17, 2009 4:30 PM:

" all in an afternoon's work!

Wal-Mart, Best Buy, CVS, Travelocity, Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank, Broadview Security, and Re-Bath

all drop advertising on Glenn Beck's show
if you're keeping score that's 22 major advertisers.

pay attention rupert! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 17, 2009 4:49 PM:

" " It's funny to see the loony leftists still have their panties in a bunch over Palin.

You're wrong even, we love Palin. We hope she gets the Republican nomination. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 5:09 PM:

" " all drop advertising on Glenn Beck's show if you're keeping score that's 22 major advertisers. "
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*psssst* hey bobby?

Those advertisers are still committed to Fox's primetime line up- because Fox DOMINATES THE RATINGS.

That's cool with Fox. And that's also cool with the sponsors.

AND because Beck's ratings also dominate in his time slot, Fox knows that the sponsors will be back once the Libtard protests die down. And uhm......looking at the dwindling poll numbers on Obama and the Dems, I'd say time is on Becks side. LOL!

You see Libtard-bob, ratings are money. And to borrow a phrase from the great AC/DC- MONEY TALKS! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 5:16 PM:

" " Birther: Someone who has given birth.

Birther/Libtard are jargon terms, or buzz words.

So, since the term "Birther" is used, should all females, who have children, feel insulted & degraded? "
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Once again the Great Rockin Rotty cuts through the BS and makes a great point!

Excellent observation Rotty! "

InsaneWayne wrote on Aug 17, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Im all for Sarah Palin as The Next Republican Presidential Candidate.

I can think of one other thing she doesnt have and that is an intellectual chance. "

father bob wrote on Aug 17, 2009 5:33 PM:

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 17, 2009 5:38 PM:

" I see Doh is doing his best to divert attention away from Palin. I guess even he realizes she's a total twit. lol! "

jackinthebox wrote on Aug 17, 2009 5:51 PM:

" InsaneWayne wrote on Aug 17, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Im all for Sarah Palin as The Next Republican Presidential Candidate.

I can think of one other thing she doesnt have and that is an intellectual chance. "
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I would refer you to Medic's post "Insane"
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Really

However, she did have enough brains to graduate college, she did have enough beauty and poise to win a beauty contest, she did have enough brains to be elected to The Wasilla City Council, she did have enough brains to be elected mayor of Wasilla, she did have enough brains to be elected Governor of Alaska, she did have enough brains to be commander in cheif of the Alaska National Guard, which, by the way, is our 1st line of defense should the Russions attack, she did work on commercial fishing boats, she loves to hunt. And she did have 5 children while doing all of this, including a severely hadicapped child.

What more could you ask for in a President or a wife or mother? So here daughter got pregnant! Like she's the 1st one ever. She didn't abort it or dump it in a trash can. When scr__ing stops feeling good, teenagers won't do it anymore.

What has our great leader done? Let's see, he sent Bill Clinton to trade who knows what to North Korea for 2 idiots who decided to camp there, He is in the middle of passing a health care plan that know one wants and will cost 1.5 Trillion Dollars, He has to Israel to stop building settlements, Netanyahu promptly told him to go f__k himself. He wants to deal with Iran, North Korea and Venezuela and Cuba.
However, he hasn't said anything about Hama lobbing bombs at Israel. I relize Obama inherited a major mess from Bush, but what has he done to make any of it any better?

Nope, my vote will go to Palin for President, it's about time we have one with Beauty, Honesty, Grace, Poise and Brains. " "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 17, 2009 6:09 PM:

" Poor Doh, they achieved the healthcare threads so he's having to put his Obama rants on the Palin thread. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 17, 2009 6:34 PM:

" Thanks, 7X! Keep up the good work yourself!

When someone thinks the scales of political correctness might be getting a little off-balance, it's simply a move that needs to be done to counter the other side.

Henceforth, the counterweight equals the playing field. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 9:41 PM:

" " When someone thinks the scales of political correctness might be getting a little off-balance, it's simply a move that needs to be done to counter the other side.

Henceforth, the counterweight equals the playing field. "
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I understand, Rotty. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:08 PM:

" Alright, now let's level those libtards!
LOL! "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:08 PM:

" medic56 (yes he's a little short today)
Praises Palin for her various displays of
brain power, ending with "And she did have 5 children while doing all of this, including a severely hadicapped child."

Medic56 seems a little confused by human
anatomy. I don't think 5 children are crated wholly by "brain power". "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:13 PM:

" Of course the Left is terrified of Sarah Palin. That's why they spend so much time, energy, and money trying to destroy her and her family. One does not put such an effort towards an insignificant harmless target. The Left knows that SaraCuda will be a political force to be reckoned with in the near future. And as a friendly little reminder to them; The Cuda (using the innocuous and quaint forum of Face Book of all things) effortlessly dealt a bare-fisted jaw adjuster right across the mug of ObamaCare. And thus, the beautiful and disparaged woman from Alaska, displaying all the strength and independence that whiny Liberal men could only hope to possess, quickly smacked the pretty right off the face of the little community organizer from the corrupt Windy City. Enlisting all of her natural hunting skills, the crafty nimble SnowWolf easily tracked down the little teleprompter empty-suit simply by following his odorous trail of bulls&!t.

Checkmate. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:25 PM:

" 7X6Z9:"worst of all, protesting outside Walter Reed Army Hospital.'
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Apparently you never read the newspaper articles -- was it just a year ago -- about the MESS into which injured veterans were dumped at Walter Reed. It was a disgusting way to greet our veteran heroes. AND NEVER forget it happened under President George Bush (who himself of course evaded foreign service, preferred flying up and down the Gulf beach ogling the girls).

But NO VETERAN SUPPORTER could resent the protesting against the conditions, for this was an INSULT to them. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:32 PM:

" 7X6Z9:"Denigrating the U.S. military, like the true treasonous slime we all know them to be."

7X6Z9 thinks the U. S. military [are] like treasonous slime

I think maybe 7X needs a little training in English to help him express his real
opinions, else he may find the U. S. military converting HIM into treasonous slime.
What a great loss to us that would be... "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:35 PM:

" Bps: "All we need now is price controls and run away inflation and it will feel just like those good old Carter days. "

Yes, I really hated those days. Both my mother and I were sinking everything we had into CDs which, as I recall were paying about ... was it 12%!!!!! "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:51 PM:

" Tonight we saw a clip of R Reagan battling Medicare before Johnson became president.
He declared that Medicare would DICTATE which doctor you would see and conversely whom the doctors WOULD BE DICTATED TO see. If a doctor wanted to move to another town, he said, the DICTATORIAL Medicare would tell him NO, there were enough doctors in that town, he must DICTORIALLY move to town X.

Hmmmm, a very interesting black and white quote -- hope you saw it. Incidentally ask your doctor friends how many of them have been DICTATED to directly by Medicare as to where they MUST and MUST NOT practice, whom they MUST and MUST not see. Sorry, you beloved Ronnie was (a) displaying he was a liar and (b) ignorant of the issue under consideration. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:54 PM:

" GALLUP: POLL SHOCKER! CONSERVATIVES NOW OUTNUMBER LIBERALS IN ALL 50 STATES

Self-identified conservatives outnumber self-identified liberals in all 50 states of the union, according to the Gallup Poll.

At the same time, more Americans nationwide are saying this year that they are conservative than have made that claim in any of the last four years.
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*shhhhhhhhh* *now don't tell anyone. but the next two elections could be a lot of fun. keep it under your hat. mkay.* "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:48 PM:

" AnnaNiemaus wrote on Aug 15, 2009 3:01 PM:
" Here's another thing she doesn't have: She doesn't have medical bills for Alaska's rape victims; she has them pay for their own rape kits. After all, I'm sure they were dressed inappropriately.

"Palin's police chief in Wasilla did that." - FactCheck.org

"...after she was picked to be Sen. John McCain's vice presidential running mate, her spokeswoman Maria Comella told USA Today that the governor "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test."" - FactCheck.org

Even Rep. Eric Croft, a Democrat, who sponsered the bill said he did not remember ever speaking to Palin about the issue:
"He does not recall discussing the issue with then-Mayor Palin." - CNN "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:50 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 11:17 AM:
" jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:41 AM:

" Yes but she is not Hilliary and she is supposed to be the first in everything political. If she is not the first woman president or vice-president then the world will end. She is entitled to it.

Must you whine about everything, jr? lol! "

Must I whine? You are the one that keeps whining and stating how stupid Palin is. I'm sorry those darn facts about your sides women get in your way.
I keep forgetting we are not allowed to say anything about Hillary. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:52 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 10:32 AM:
" Sarah Palin PERSONIFIES the very reasons America is in the mess it's in aggressively ignorant, self-pitying narcissism shamelessly shilling for the highest bidder as it sashays itself down the American Idol runway, absolutely certain that God wants it to have designer clothes. "

You hate it so much don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Head to France, they would love you and your views. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 2:42 PM:
" "They're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, GETTING THE VICE PRESIDENT'S JOB COMPLETELY WRONG after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008.
In other words, she had no idea about the duties of the JOB SHE WAS ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR. "

Under the Constitution, the Vice President is President of the Senate. By virtue of the Vice President's role as President of the Senate, he or she is the nominal head of the United States Senate.- Wikipedia

As President of the Senate (Article I, Section 3, Clause 4), the Vice President oversees procedural matters and may cast a tie-breaking vote. - Wikipedia

The vice-President, though does not happen that often, can try to influence votes. They are allowed to speak to heads of state as well.
Maybe someone should read about the history of the VP position and the duties of such. Those darn facts again. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:09 AM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:03 AM:
" The only death panels, Ms. Palin, are the figurative ones you have inspired with such irresponsible, dangerous, facile, vile, hate speech. The death of common sense. The death of logic.The death, perhaps, of Democracy, at the hands of mob rule. "

That's right so stop protesting like the Constitution says you can and follow like the Lemmings. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:14 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 17, 2009 11:17 AM:
" "What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?" -- Sarah "five colleges in six years" Palin, asking Wasilla librarian Mary Ellen Emmons about banning books right after taking office in 1996. America's Quittin' Queen of Dumbness later lied and said she has never tried to ban books, of course. "

"She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term." - FactCheck.org

I can hear it now, "jrhendren quit bringing up facts! They hurt my point"

Oh I saw you brought back the 9/11 lies again to. You know that Iraq was not involved. Still ignoring those training camps are we. "

Becky wrote on Aug 18, 2009 7:20 AM:

" "Checkmate. "

Ummmmmmmmmm.......yeah...kay...what ever you say there 7X. "

The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:06 AM:

" Jr, even your little simian savior has admitted that Iraq had no WMD and no ties to 9-11, so you can quit peddling the old, worn-out lies.
Aug 21, 2006, White House press conference:
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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Now, look, I didnt part of the reason we went into Iraq was the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.
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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Nothing, except for its part of and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a Iraq the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 AM:

" " Ummmmmmmmmm.......yeah...kay...what ever you say there 7X. "
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How are those "end of life" death panel provisions working out for you Dems so far, Becks?

Yeah. I thought so.......

Checkmate. "

Elbert wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:24 AM:

" Collatine:
Thank you for your response. Unfortunately, I didnt see anything in the bill about doctors being incented to encourage people to Just take the pill instead of getting surgery toward the end of their lives. I have read the bill. It is available on http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text And, I was unable to find any support for Mrs. Palins claim.. Thus, I wonder where Mrs. Palin got the idea that the bill encouraged doctors to tell people to take a pill. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:18 AM:

" After Palin's ignorant and outragious claims about death panels (still being claimed by the less informed) were debunked she changed course and is now calling for civility in the ongoing health care debate. Hmmmm...

I'm really shocked that she hasn't latched onto the equally ignorant claim about his birthplace. I guess we just need to give her time.

As far as the left "fearing" her, I don't think it's the left. The more moderate Republicans must be shaking in their boots. When they see influential Republicans like Gingrich and Grassley carrying water for her, they must be concerned. It seems that the loony element of the GOP has taken over, and main stream GOP members have to be scared to death. They know that to take the White House back the can't go with a fringe candidate. As low as Obama's poll numbers have been by some polls, they're still ahead of the sinking numbers for Palin. No, most on the left do not fear her, and in fact are hoping she keeps speaking. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:04 AM:

" After reading the comments by our friend jr, I thinking he might try buying his Dramamine in the large economy size packages. Wow! Talk about being stuck on the spin cycle. lol! "

The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:01 PM:

" Funny how times change. A guy I know was called a "traitor" because he brought poster-board signs to an anti-war protest and was told by a Secret Service agent that crossing the street during a protest would be considered an "act of terrorism."
I guess he should have just brought an AK-47 and threatened armed insurrection instead. That would have made him a patriot, eh, right wingers? "

The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:13 PM:

" The Winkin Witch of Wasilla has only one thing left to quit. Any bets on when shell bail out of her marriage? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:43 PM:

" OBAMA: HEY OBAMA-CARE WILL SUCCEED LIKE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE

GAO: USPS IS CRASHING TOWARDS BANKRUPTCY AT AN INCREASING RATE

WASHINGTONThe U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) recently announced that the U.S. Postal Service (USPS) is at risk of financial insolvency.

The post office made GAOs list of government operations that are considered costly and "high risk." GAO submits its High Risk Series report to Congress every two years.
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You would think that SOMEONE in Obama's Advisory team would pull him aside and tell him to please STOP using the USPS as an analogy to ObamaCare. But alas the comparison is more accurate than the Left knows. LOL

Good God this Administration is clueless. ROFL

Hey kids! Who wants Universal Health Care?

What could possibly go wrong? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:02 PM:

" OBAMA: HEY- OBAMA-CARE WILL LET YOU KEEP YOUR PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE

WASHINGTON POST: UHM- THAT'S NOT TRUE!

WASHINGTON POST (Aug 17 2009) ....Democratic legislative aides said there is no assurance that any of the options offered in the exchange would be the same as employees current coverage.

Because coverage offered through an exchange would have to comply with new requirements, it could easily be different.

At a minimum, the exchanges would be open to small employers, but government officials would have the discretion to open the exchanges to larger employers....

Obamas promise is not just at odds with legislative proposals it is also at odds with reality.
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Yet another media outlet that has been very pro-Obama in the past, is jumping ship on this blatant lie.

Question: Who long will the ObamaDrones in here continue to cling to this dishonest talking point?

Bobby? Harry? TQ? "

Collatine wrote on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM:

" Elbert - well, ok, Palin didn't say the bill said that. Obama told someone whose 100 year old grandmother had surgery that "Maybe you're better off, uhhh, not having the surgery but taking, uh, the painkiller." Better off for society that is (as determined by HIM and people like him), not better for the individual...

...or as I like to say it, "Shut up and take the pill!" LOL

It's section 1233 that gives everyone the creeps, in conjunction with section 143 and section 1151 (ii), and be sure to read the definitions. It's all very creepy. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 4:31 PM:

" Any bets on when shell bail out of her marriage? "

I wouldn't bet against it, Q. A lot of folks are saying she's getting ready to upgrade husbands, sort of like Gingrich did. Every time he got a higher position, he got a newer model wife. But as I've always said, divorce is a Republican family value these days. lol! "

107245 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 5:11 PM:

" I can tell you what a number of affluent Repubs think about Palin and her capabilities. Before the 2008 election my son's elite Republican community had a get-together and my Democrat son took along a list of all the people in his zip code who donated to Obama's campaign. All but one Repub had donated to Obama's campaign fund. Why? Sarah Palin.

What is 7x6z9 problem? Nothing else to do in his life except rant about Obama and the Dems? "

father bob wrote on Aug 18, 2009 5:33 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:13 PM:
" The Winkin Witch of Wasilla has only one thing left to quit. Any bets on when shell bail out of her marriage? """""

the over-or-under ....30 days....

i say under "

Bps wrote on Aug 18, 2009 7:00 PM:

" Cognitus wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:35 PM:
" Bps: "All we need now is price controls and run away inflation and it will feel just like those good old Carter days. "

Yes, I really hated those days. Both my mother and I were sinking everything we had into CDs which, as I recall were paying about ... was it 12%!!!!!
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I am glad you and your mother we blessed and had money to sink into CDs, but I hope you werent buying cars or houses or were part of the large increase in the unemployed.

I was a purchasing agent in a manufacturing firm during his time and it sure played heck with our long term financing and on the pricing of materials.

We like everybody else had to make the appropriate increase in our selling prices to offset our increased costs.

But if youre happy you made somewhere around a net 1.3% who am I to quibble.

How did I get that 1.3% you might ask:

During the Carter years, the GOVERNMENT REPORTED average inflation rates per year were 7.6%, 11.3%, 13.5% and 10.3%, respectively.

Depending on when you purchased your CDs and the length of term you would have made real spendable money 3 out of four years based upon inflation.

Since I dont feel like computing the compounding, time value of money, dollar cost averaging etc., lets just use the four year average which was 10.7% so you made a simple average net of somewhere around 1.3% on your money.

Whoopee!!!!

Of course if you were on the other side and buying a house, car or just about anything that required financing you probably werent too happy.

Prime Rate during Mr. Carters Term (Jan. 20, 1977, to Jan. 20, 1981):

(1977) Start- 6.25% End- 7.25%
(1978) Start- 8.0% End- 11.75%
(1979) Start- 11.75% End- 15.25%
(1980) Start- 15.25% End- 18.75%
(1981) Jan- 21.50%

Source: http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/prime.asp

To those who didnt live through it Cognis 12% gross sounds good.

Bet it doesnt sound so good when you measure it against inflation and the cost of money does it? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 7:51 PM:

" Joe the fake Republican plumber now says he wants to beat up Nancy Pelosi. Hey Sarah, why not make Joe your VP pick. Joe seems to fit right in with the "new" GOP and is about as qualified for VP as Sarah was. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 7:53 PM:

" How did a thread about Sarah the Queen of the Tundra turn to Carter bashing? "

The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:20 PM:

" I suspect Pelosi could take non-Joe the non-Plumber. She's a fighter and he is, after all, just a stupid, lying fake. The perfect GOP symbol, in other words. "

Bps wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:50 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 7:53 PM:
" How did a thread about Sarah the Queen of the Tundra turn to Carter bashing? "
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Hello Mr. Unofficial Monitor and how are you tonight?

Hum and I thought we had a discussion on the proper protocol for a discussion/dialog back in February.

Sigh.

In answer your question, it is because I try to be polite and when possible try to answer questions or posts directed at or to me.

Since the poster (Cognitus wrote on Aug 17, 2009 10:35 PM:) directed his post to my post, as my part of the discussion/dialog I answered him with my opinion to his information and of course with linked facts supporting my opinion.

And no they arent Carter bashing, they are simply facts that are properly sourced and support the opinion that I stated.

I understand that youre probably upset because it did take some space away from the Palin bashing and I know how that relives your stress (from all the bad news you have had to suffer through in the last few weeks (months?)).

Tell you what, from your past posts it appears you like the politics of personal destruction so here is a link where you can go and hopefully get some new photo-shopped images of one you love to bash:

http://tinyurl.com/65bjk4

Now make sure you dont use up all the ink in your printer printing them out to put on your wall.

Enjoy. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 9:58 PM:

" 107245 wrote " What is 7x6z9 problem? Nothing else to do in his life except rant about Obama and the Dems? "
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Hello Harry. Trying out *another* new name again? lol "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:26 PM:

" Now that the Democrats have officially claimed full ownership of the ObamaCare disaster in the making, a quick note to the GOP:

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide"

Good times...good times... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:35 PM:

" NYT: DEMOCRATS READY TO GO IT ALONE ON OBAMA-CARE!

NEW YORK TIMES (Aug 19 2009) Such a change could alter the dynamic of talks surrounding health care legislation, and even change the substance of a final bill. With no need to negotiate with Republicans, Democrats might be better able to move more quickly, relying on their large majorities in both houses. Democratic senators might feel more empowered, for example, to define the authority of the nonprofit insurance cooperatives that are emerging as an alternative to a public insurance plan.....
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First of all Democrats NEVER offered to negotiate with Republicans. In fact they rejected several Republican plans and then turned around and falsely claimed that the Republicans offered nothing.

Now it's official, ObamaDrones. Your Party OWNS this clusterfark.

See ya'll at the polls in 2010 and 2012. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:41 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:06 AM:
" Jr, even your little simian savior has admitted that Iraq had no WMD and no ties to 9-11, so you can quit peddling the old, worn-out lies.
Aug 21, 2006, White House press conference:
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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Now, look, I didnt part of the reason we went into Iraq was the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction.
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PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Nothing, except for its part of and nobody has ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a Iraq the lesson of September the 11th is, take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody has ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq."

First of notice that their is no citation so know one knows what news media the story came from. I did however, find the transcript of the news conference. You might want to re-read the entire coverage. He did not say that their never was WMD. He said none were found, of course we will ignore the reports I have shown you where they were believed to have been moved to Serbia, or how even Clinton believed Iraq to have WMD. In fact he was even the first to mention nukes:

"Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors." - December 16, 1998, White House press release, National Review Online.
Notice how he attacked "chemical, and biological weapons programs" areas. I didn't think you could attack what was not there. Clinton went on to say, "Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas, or biological weapons."

Wait, "nuclear arms, poison gas, or biological weapons." Aren't those WMD? Guess not when it's Clinton talking.

Bush said Hussein did not order the attacks, however we do know that he was in cahoots with those who did, and even had training camps. Even CNN said the camps were there. As for my lies I have shown you before the releases that found WMD's. Here is another:

"Weapons of mass destruction were quietly found in Iraq earlier this month." - June 16, 2003, Democrat Talk Radio
You didn't want to confront this when I showed you the evidence before, but now that it's archived I guess it's time for your lies. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:46 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 10:18 AM:
"As far as the left "fearing" her, I don't think it's the left. The more moderate Republicans must be shaking in their boots. When they see influential Republicans like Gingrich and Grassley carrying water for her, they must be concerned. It seems that the loony element of the GOP has taken over, and main stream GOP members have to be scared to death."

Sounds a lot like the Left. The extremes are in charge. As for her poll numbers. What polls, she is not even running for any thing right now. If you all are not worried about her, then why do you keep bringing her up? You either secretly like her, are scared of her, of have an unhealthy infatuation with her. I'll let you decide what it is. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:48 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:04 AM:
" After reading the comments by our friend jr, I thinking he might try buying his Dramamine in the large economy size packages. Wow! Talk about being stuck on the spin cycle. lol! "

Facts are spin now Harry. You get your quotes from a fake news agency, and pass them off as truth. Then accuse me of spinning. That is so like the left. Facts are fiction in your eyes. You want to accuse me of spinning then what am I spinning? I cite my facts, why don't you and the Lemmings try it. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:51 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:01 PM:
" Funny how times change. A guy I know was called a "traitor" because he brought poster-board signs to an anti-war protest and was told by a Secret Service agent that crossing the street during a protest would be considered an "act of terrorism."
I guess he should have just brought an AK-47 and threatened armed insurrection instead. That would have made him a patriot, eh, right wingers? "

"A guy I know", well if it is a guy you know, it must be a fact. Oh, I don't suppose you would like to cite where someone " brought an AK-47 and threatened armed insurrection" to a meeting would you? I didn't think so. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 11:54 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 4:31 PM:
" Any bets on when shell bail out of her marriage? "

I wouldn't bet against it, Q. A lot of folks are saying she's getting ready to upgrade husbands, sort of like Gingrich did. Every time he got a higher position, he got a newer model wife. But as I've always said, divorce is a Republican family value these days. lol! "

Talking about family values. How is John Edwards extra marital activity child, he had while is wife was going through cancer treatments, doing?
Sorry not suppose to bring up when Democrats do that are we, just Republicans do things like that. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:01 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 18, 2009 7:51 PM:
" Joe the fake Republican plumber now says he wants to beat up Nancy Pelosi. Hey Sarah, why not make Joe your VP pick. Joe seems to fit right in with the "new" GOP and is about as qualified for VP as Sarah was.

"WURZELBACHER: For Pelosi to write about us bein un-American and disprespectful Ill tell ya what: I respect nobody who lies to me and manipulates me and takes my money and puts my children in debt. They want me to be respectful towards them? Please! You know, Im not the most civilized person: Those kind of people, I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin tar out of em." - Think Progress

He said again "I usually took behind the woodshed and just beat the livin tar out of em." not I'm going to, and you accuse me of spin. Oh and about him:

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher (born December 3, 1973), better known as Joe the Plumber, is an American spokesperson,[3] web commentator,[4] and former employee of a plumbing contractor. - Wikipedia

Only the left would call someone fake who really was a plumber. I guess with there logic all former Presidents were really never Presidents, since they are no longer doing the job. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 18, 2009 8:20 PM:
" I suspect Pelosi could take non-Joe the non-Plumber. She's a fighter and he is, after all, just a stupid, lying fake. The perfect GOP symbol, in other words. "

What is your all's definition of fake. Someone who had a job but doesn't? Even the left leaning media said he was a plumber. As for Pelosi being a fighter. That is the funniest think I've heard in awhile. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:05 AM:

" 107245 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 5:11 PM:
What is 7x6z9 problem? Nothing else to do in his life except rant about Obama and the Dems? "

He does no less then Harry and the Lemmings do about Bush, Palin, and the Republicans. Funny how you didn't mention them in your statement? "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 19, 2009 1:39 AM:

" 107245 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 5:11 PM:
"What is 7x6z9 problem? Nothing else to do in his life except rant about Obama and the Dems?"

Uuuum.... care to go back a few months ago, & peruse the political threads? Heck, ALL of the political threads?

Care to talk ratio?

Care to talk truth?

My guess.... you'd wet ya panties, & that'd be a big NO.

CLEANUP ON AISLE #3!!!!

LOL! "

The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 6:51 AM:

" I predict that when and if the Quitter Queen bails out on her marriage, she will make two claims: A) that she's a victim, as always, and B) that she's getting a divorce out of her profound respect for the divinely ordained institution of marriage. Palin likes her hypocrisy straight up, no chaser. "

The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:09 AM:

" I don't suppose you would like to cite where someone " brought an AK-47 and threatened armed insurrection" to a meeting would you? I didn't think so. "
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It wasn't an AK-47, but it was an AR-15 assault rifle, jr. See for yourself.
In a YouTube video, the man who carried a semi-automatic assault rifle outside the presidential event tells fellow demonstrators, "We will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through the strength of the majority with a vote." That would be armed insurrection against democracy.
The video of the man, who is only identified as "Chris," comes from a libertarian group called Freedom's Phoenix and another group called 4409, which opposes police security cameras. "

The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:48 AM:

" The 9-11 commission found "no credible evidence" of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States, jr. Give it up. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was based entirely on exploded Republican lies. "

elbert wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:49 AM:

" To Collatine:
Thank you for your post of 18 August and, equally important, your citation of the sections that cause you concern. I appreciate it when people provide the sources they use in the their discussions.
I re-read the cites that you provided and, it does not bother me. Perhaps that is because I and my wife have already made provisions for advanced directives and we periodically review them to make sure that they provide for the decisions that we want made. I encourage everyone to have a will and to not only provide for advanced directives which will carry out their wishes but also tell those who are involved what their wishes are so that their loved ones do not have to make decisions without information. I realize, however, that many are reluctant to make these decisions. Since I try to be self-relient, I try to choose the path that I want to travel rather than having someone else choose it for me. My reading of the bill, at least on this issue, leads me to conclude that these consultations are offered, not mandatory and might be welcome by some who are afraid to broach the issue. The decisions, however, should be theirs to make, not someone else.
Again, thank you for your opinion and for citing the source that is the cause of concern. I appreciate that. "

father bob wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:03 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:48 AM:
" The 9-11 commission found "no credible evidence" of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States, jr. Give it up. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was based entirely on exploded Republican lies. """"""

good to see your posts TQ. i have noticed several of mine have disappeared and many of my new posts never make it through. i do follow the "comment policy" and still i get censored.

i guess when you're a liberal black man, you're going to get censored in a WASP publication. "

ed miller wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:10 AM:

" Our budget deficit this year is expected to hit 1.85 TRILLION dollars. Our grandchildren will be in debt to the Chinese their whole lives. Unemployment is up and still going up. The government is wasting billions in so called stimulus money that is having little effect on the sagging economy. Our government is also taking control of private companies and trying to take control of our health care choices. They are legislating every aspect of our lives, telling us what kind of cars to drive and what type of light bulbs we can buy. With all of this going on, the topic that gets most people excited is debating the merits of a conservative ex-governor who may or may not run for president in three years. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:49 PM:

" Only the left would call someone fake who really was a plumber.

CINCINNATI (Reuters) - After Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama made him into the most famous plumber in America, it turns out Joe Wurzelbacher isn't a licensed plumber after all. Oh, and his real name is Sam.

The morning after he emerged as the unexpected star of Wednesday evening's U.S. presidential debate, Samuel "Joe" Wurzelbacher of Holland, Ohio, found himself at the center of a media frenzy, with reporters camped out on his front lawn and his phone ringing off the hook.

But it wasn't long before the Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters and Service Mechanics revealed that Wurzelbacher was not a licensed member of their trade.

"That means that he has not completed the training program necessary for him to sit for a license test," said Tony Herrera, market recovery specialist for Plumbers and Steamfitters Local 50 in Toledo, Ohio.

"It's a shame that this guy has ended up in this situation because it seems like he's misrepresented himself -- and for that matter the plumbing and pipe fitting industry."

At best I suspect Joe was nothing but an unlicensed plumbers helper. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:57 PM:

" Facts are spin now Harry. You get your quotes from a fake news agency, and pass them off as truth.

I'm not the one who throws the word "Fact" around, jr.

When did I say the Huffington post was a news outlet, jr? It's just like Fox, 90 percent opinion (they actual do post some hard news items), probably as much as Fox does.

You are aware that Sean Hannity bills his talk radio show as one of "Comprehensive News" are you? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 1:04 PM:

" You either secretly like her, are scared of her, of have an unhealthy infatuation with her. I'll let you decide what it is.

Any thoughts on X's non stop Obama bashing posts, jr. Think it might be an unhealthy infatuation with him? Does his remarks offend you, or is it only Palin that your worried about? "

BW wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:03 PM:

" Good Grief, father bob, I know you have stated before that you are a black man but you really should be careful how you use that race card or it will become meaningless. Do you really think that's how things work at the jg-tc? "

red,white,blue wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:44 PM:

" jrhendren: I vote for unhealthy infatuation with a little bit of scared crapless thrown in. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 3:04 PM:

" For a good laugh, go to funnyordie.com and key in Gina Gershon as Sarah Palin. Absolutely hilarious. Gina does a dead on impersonation of the Alaskan twitter quitter. (You know you're gonna look, jr.) lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Hey jr, you left this part out of your Wikipedia report on Joe the fake plumber:

In October 2008, Wurzelbacher told The New York Times he was one of two employees of a small plumbing firm, Newell Plumbing and Heating Co. of Toledo, the company he described to Obama as making $250,000 to $280,000 per year. Wurzelbacher said that the idea of buying the company was discussed during his job interview six years prior. According to MSNBC and Fox News, court records show that Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006. Dun & Bradstreet's report estimated that A. W. Newell Corporation, the full corporate name, had $510,000 in annual sales and 8 employees.

As part of the background on McCain's use of "Joe the Plumber", several media outlets researched his professional plumbing credentials. One Toledo Blade article stated, "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newells license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means hes not a plumber." "Mr. Joseph (business manager of the local union) said Mr. Wurzelbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country."

A detailed article in Newsweek pointed out that, "Reporters working on profiles soon discovered that Wurzelbacher didnt actually have a state or local license to work as a plumber in the Toledo area, and despite Wurzelbachers insistence that he didnt need one, local officials and building inspectors in Toledo insisted he did. On Friday, those officials said a letter was being mailed to Wurzelbachers employer warning him to get into compliance with city codes or face the loss of the companys license." Wurzelbacher's employer at the time, A. W. Newell, is licensed by the State of Ohio and the City of Toledo.

Perhaps Joe made parts runs for the real plumbers, jr. lol! "

The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Censored? Maybe you're a racist, FB. According to Fox News, only black people can be racists. "

red,white,blue wrote on Aug 19, 2009 3:33 PM:

" BW I think that ship has sailed. "

BW wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:00 PM:

" I know, rwb, but I was just trying to be nice. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:00 PM:

" ....if in fact, you are a black man. "

Collatine wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:17 PM:

" elbert - it's nice to have a spirited debate without the constant name calling... because reasonable people CAN disagree reasonably. :-) "

father bob wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:53 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM:
" Censored? Maybe you're a racist, FB. According to Fox News, only black people can be racists. """""

Cluster Fox loves to prod and provoke until something's said, then we're suddenly racist when we react. not only are we racists, we also nazis according to the supremacist leader of the republican party. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:59 PM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:44 PM:

" jrhendren: I vote for unhealthy infatuation with a little bit of scared crapless thrown in. "

Here's an idea, Marty. Instead of parroting what someone else says, how about telling us about those great family values you were bragging about a while back regarding Sarah.

And just in case you missed it, those of us on the left are hoping and praying Sarah will run for the GOP nod for president. She's the perfect target for ridicule. I'm betting the late night comedians feel the same way too, after all she's a walking, talking punchline. "

father bob wrote on Aug 19, 2009 5:11 PM:

" Cluster Fox will be the catalyst that pushes illiterate uneducated white men over the edge starting random acts of violence.

they've been huddled in front of Fox news shuddering with fear, oiling their guns since the november elections. their vigilante mentality is just one nutcase and one bullet away from civil war. "

BW wrote on Aug 19, 2009 5:16 PM:

" father bob-"Cluster Fox". Ooh how clever. Obviously you aren't censored enough. fb, these are pretty much adult blogs so why don't you take that stuff back to junior high. Tee hee. "

The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 5:18 PM:

" Rotty doesn't believe in black men. They exist, Rotty. I've seen them. "

father bob wrote on Aug 19, 2009 5:22 PM:

" TQ.....did you read Batsh*t Bachmann's latest foot-tasting??

~It is not within our power as members of Congress, its not within the enumerated powers of the Constitution, for us to design and create a national takeover of health care. Nor is it within our ability to be able to delegate that responsibility to the executive.~ "

The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 5:32 PM:

" Yes, FB, Fox News has so far identified Jesse Jackson, the Rev. Wright, Justice Sotomayor and dozens of other prominent people of color, including the president, as "racists." Fox News called the first lady "Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress." Bill O'Reilly assured us that Michael Jackson wasn't really that black because he had white children. O'Reilly said there's nothing racist about tearing up a Rosa Parks sign at a health care meeting. Brian Kilmeade said Americans have more health problems than Swedes because Americans, "...keep marrying other species and other ethnicities . . . Swedes have pure genes, because they marry other Swedes, because that's the rule."
But white racists? Fox News has never met one. Never heard of such a thing. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:37 PM:

" Hey question >"It was the deadliest day of coordinated bombings since Feb. 1, 2008, when two suicide bombers killed 109 people at pet markets in Baghdad. More than 400 were wounded in Wednesday's blasts.---------
You still think they are glad we have pulled out and are leaving??? "

The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:52 PM:

" You still think they are glad we have pulled out and are leaving?
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I know they are sorry your little ape pal ever lied the U.S. into invading their country, Rohn. Your simian savior made all this inevitable. "

father bob wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:58 PM:

" BW wrote on Aug 19, 2009 5:16 PM:

" father bob-"Cluster Fox". Ooh how clever. Obviously you aren't censored enough. fb, these are pretty much adult blogs so why don't you take that stuff back to junior high. Tee hee. """""

case in point....thanks BW..

is the "BW" for Backward or Brainwashed? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:00 PM:

" The looney leftys mantra is, "I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin".....but isn't it comical how they have absolutely no outrage over JOHN "it ain't my baby" EDWARDS?" "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:07 PM:

" Yeah, there's even a poster that's loud & proud about it.... that is if it's a fact & true.... or do I need to bring up a certain archive, yet again? Oh well, to each their own.
LOL!
:-P "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:09 PM:

" Now it's official, ObamaDrones. Your Party OWNS this clusterfark.

That was from one of your guys, BW.

Guess this one didn't bother you. Oh yeah, it came from a right winger so it must be OK. I think you might be a little like our friend jr, who's only offended at remarks made toward Republicans. Or do you think X should take his stuff back to junior high too? "

father bob wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:28 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:00 PM:

" The looney leftys mantra is, "I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin"....."""""

i actually LOVE sarah! i'm behind her nomination 100%.... "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:47 PM:

" Ok now I am lost again. I thought someone posted fb admitting he is not black??? "

Bps wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:17 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:47 PM:
" Ok now I am lost again. I thought someone posted fb admitting he is not black??? "
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Rohn, is this the post you were thinking of (the last sentence):

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father bob wrote on Apr 2, 2009 11:53 AM:
" joe hardy wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:35 PM:
" Please, at least attempt some mature discourse. """""

sorry joe it's rovian strategy we've had to endure the last 8 years that's got us in the "paybacks are he11" mode.

with the shoe on the other foot, those whining and crying republicans need to act like the patriotic citizens they've pretended to be.

and joe, maybe i'm not really black....just egging on the bigots who expose themselves so willingly. " "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 19, 2009 10:31 PM:

" Thanks Bps for the followup.
.......

Darn them dirty ole right wingers.

Curses.... Foiled Again!

LOL! "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:17 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 7:48 AM:
" The 9-11 commission found "no credible evidence" of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States, jr. Give it up. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was based entirely on exploded Republican lies. "

You forgot to add former President Clinton in your statement, since he himself said their were WMD's and the first to mention nuclear capabilities. Oh, and then how Bush, whom you all call stupid, was able to convince an entire Congress to fund the war more then once with his supposed false documents. Maybe you should give it up. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:20 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:49 PM:
"At best I suspect Joe was nothing but an unlicensed plumbers helper. "

Hey Harry if someone works for a company as a plumber, guess what. They are considered a plumber. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:24 PM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:53 PM:
" The Question wrote on Aug 19, 2009 3:22 PM:
" Censored? Maybe you're a racist, FB. According to Fox News, only black people can be racists. """""

Cluster Fox loves to prod and provoke until something's said, then we're suddenly racist when we react. not only are we racists, we also nazis according to the supremacist leader of the republican party. "

LOL!!!! Hey was it racist to beat a black man for selling anti-Obamacare merchandise? Was it okay to call Bush, Hitler and compare our soldiers to the Nazis. Oh wait it was the extreme left doing it, that does make it okay. Never mind. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:27 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 4:59 PM:
" red,white,blue wrote on Aug 19, 2009 2:44 PM:

" jrhendren: I vote for unhealthy infatuation with a little bit of scared crapless thrown in. "

Here's an idea, Marty. Instead of parroting what someone else says..."

Does that go for your good buddy bob too.
________________________________________

"how about telling us about those great family values you were bragging about a while back regarding Sarah.

And just in case you missed it, those of us on the left are hoping and praying Sarah will run for the GOP nod for president. She's the perfect target for ridicule. I'm betting the late night comedians feel the same way too, after all she's a walking, talking punchline. "

Just like our current Vice President. Oh darn it I keep forgetting you can't say anything negative about those on the Left. That is unfair, only those on the right. Sorry Harry, I'll try and remember that. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:43 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 12:57 PM:
" Facts are spin now Harry. You get your quotes from a fake news agency, and pass them off as truth.

I'm not the one who throws the word "Fact" around, jr.

No because you use no facts just accusation, talking points, and spin.
________________________________________

"When did I say the Huffington post was a news outlet, jr? It's just like Fox, 90 percent opinion (they actual do post some hard news items), probably as much as Fox does."

When you quote them and they say they are a news agency. It's called guilt by association. Not to mention you did in your above statement when you say, "they actual do post some hard news items". I love how if Fox does a story on someone on the left they are bias. ABC edits an interview and that is fine. CBS runs a story about the President, without even checking to see if is true, that later turns out to be false, and that is okay. I guess the media can only lean one way.
________________________________________

"You are aware that Sean Hannity bills his talk radio show as one of "Comprehensive News" are you?"

That's fine. It is his talk radio show. The Left had radio shows, though they fail miserably. Mike Malloy, the leftist talk radio host, who said that the Republican should be executed, was a CNN employee. So will you then admit CNN is a leftist media outlet. How about Rachel Maddow, who has a show on MSNBC. I guess it only matter who they are speaking for doesn't it. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 19, 2009 11:45 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:09 PM:
" Now it's official, ObamaDrones. Your Party OWNS this clusterfark.

That was from one of your guys, BW.

Guess this one didn't bother you. Oh yeah, it came from a right winger so it must be OK. I think you might be a little like our friend jr, who's only offended at remarks made toward Republicans. Or do you think X should take his stuff back to junior high too? "

No it does bother me. As I have said so many times before. He is our President and no matter if you agree with his views or not deserves respect. Odd that you would bring this up though since you are one of the worst at showing respect to someone who's views you do not agree with, example Sarah Palin. "

BW wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:09 AM:

" father bob, ya see "backward" and "brainwashed" are each one word. "BW" would indicate two words. You're welcome. "

BW wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:13 AM:

" No, Harry, that does bother me as well. Contrary to your assumption, I don't have the time or inclination to read every single post on this site. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:19 AM:

" No it does bother me. As I have said so many times before. He is our President and no matter if you agree with his views or not deserves respect. Odd that you would bring this up though since you are one of the worst at showing respect to someone who's views you do not agree with, example Sarah Palin.

Nice try jr, but no cigar for you. About the only time you ever comment about it is when you get called out for your hypocrisy. Negative comments are made on this site about the current president daily, and you never respond, only when your in your defensive mode do you say a word. I think you're too busy whining about the Bush/Palin comments from the left. And I see you're fake plumber fan too. Think he'd make a god running mate for Sarah? lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:17 AM:

" It's hard to believe that the Party of Abraham Lincoln has sunk so low that it now embraces someone like Sarah Palin as it's new leader. Is it any wonder that the number of people willing to admit belonging to the GOP is fast approaching single digits? This doesn't bode well for their future. "

father bob wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:43 AM:

" BW wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:09 AM:
" father bob, ya see "backward" and "brainwashed" are each one word. "BW" would indicate two words. You're welcome. """""

i'm stunned you're actually bright enough to realize that....or did you Google it? "

father bob wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:49 AM:

" Salt Lake Tribune:

One of the greatest services that doctors can provide for their patients is a frank discussion about end-of-life care issues. A patient's right to dignity and self-determination is dependent on the knowledge that their wishes will be carried out once they are no longer capable of voicing them. Unfortunately, in today's busy medical practices, these important topics often go unaddressed, and as a result many terminally ill patients end up needlessly subjected to uncomfortable, undignified and unproductive tests and treatments.

In this light, it is disappointing to hear former vice presidential candidate and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and company vilify end-of-life-care discussions as "death panels." This politically motivated smear campaign will only discourage patients from addressing these important issues with their doctors, which in turn will ultimately and unfairly shift the burden of making these tough decisions onto patients' families and care providers when the end inevitably comes. What a shame this is.

Come 2012, I hope America remembers Palin's great disservice.

Dustin Armstrong, M.D.

Salt Lake City

well said doc!.....and they will. "

father bob wrote on Aug 20, 2009 9:54 AM:

" Kansas City Star:

Palin's double dose of bad news

By Yael T. Abouhalkah, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist

GOP right-wing darling Sarah Palin gets a double-dose of bad news in the Marist poll released Tuesday.

-- She would lose to President Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential race.

If it were held today, 56 percent of Americans would support Obama and 33 percent would back Palin, according to the full poll results. Obama outpolls Palin with Democrats and independents.

-- And Palin would finish second in the GOP's 2012 presidential preference poll, albeit just barely.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney got 21 percent of the GOP preference vote, Palin 20 percent and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee 19 percent.

The Marist poll also says 61 percent of all respondents (including a majority of Republicans) think Palin made a mistake stepping down in mid-term from the governor's office this summer.

Summed up: Palin is in a familiar position, facing an uphill fight to remain relevant in American politics.

But people are still talking about her views like they matter a lot, so that's the good news in the Marist survey. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:03 AM:

" Op ed piece from the dreaded Huffington post-

Something strange has happened in America in the nine months since Barack Obama was elected. It has best been summarized by the comedian Bill Maher: "The Democrats have moved to the right, and the Republicans have moved to a mental hospital."

The election of Obama -- a center-left black man -- as a successor to George W. Bush has scrambled the core American right's view of their country. In their gut, they saw the US as a white-skinned, right-wing nation forever shaped like Sarah Palin. When this image was repudiated by a majority of Americans in a massive landslide, it simply didn't compute. How could this have happened? How could the cry of "Drill, baby, drill" have been beaten by a supposedly big government black guy? So a streak that has always been there in the American right's world-view -- to deny reality, and argue against a demonic phantasm of their own creation -- has swollen. Now it is all they can see. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:26 AM:

" More from the dreaded Huffington post-

Sarah Palin has expanded her blogging to include foreign policy, writing a Facebook post on Wednesday criticizing the U.S. Export Import Bank plan to lend $2 billion to the Brazilian oil company Petrobras.

Read the entire article on Huffington...

The problem is the publicity hound Palin got her facts wrong. But I'm sure that won't stop her from trying to show she's more than one dimensional. The more Sarah blogs, the more she shows her ignorance. Keeping blogging Sarah, we love it. "

father bob wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:28 AM:

" Bps wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:17 PM:
"and joe, maybe i'm not really black....just egging on the bigots who expose themselves so willingly. """""

or maybe i'm a muslim.....praise be to Allah! "

The Question wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:18 AM:

" Republicans regard any consideration of the end of life as a commie plot, FB.
Stupidity being immortal, they also think they are. An understandable mistake. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:55 AM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:00 PM:

" The looney leftys mantra is, "I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin".....but isn't it comical how they have absolutely no outrage over JOHN "it ain't my baby" EDWARDS?" "

Psst...hey neo, this thread is about Sarah, not John Edwards. Write a letter to the editor about him if you want to discuss his problems. "

The Question wrote on Aug 20, 2009 12:47 PM:

" In a new book, former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge reveals he was pushed to raise the color-coded security alert on the eve of President Bush's re-election, something he saw as politically motivated and worth resigning over.
The GOP: Always lying to stampede the herd with fear and panic. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 1:17 PM:

" In a new book, former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge reveals new details on politicization under President Bush, reports US News & World Report's Paul Bedard. Among other things, Ridge admits that he was pressured to raise the terror alert to help Bush win re-election in 2004.

Ridge was never invited to sit in on National Security Council meetings; was "blindsided" by the FBI in morning Oval Office meetings because the agency withheld critical information from him; found his urgings to block Michael Brown from being named head of the emergency agency blamed for the Hurricane Katrina disaster ignored; and was pushed to raise the security alert on the eve of President Bush's re-election, something he saw as politically motivated and worth resigning over.

Oh my, I guess this makes Ridge one of those "libtards" that the disgruntled loser likes to talk about. lol!

All of these tell all books aren't helping Georges image or legasy are they, jr?

Wonder what Cheney will be telling us about in his upcoming book? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 1:46 PM:

" What kind of person would saddle her kids with names like Track, Bristol, Willow, Trig and Piper? Why not Doorknob and Faucet? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 2:21 PM:

" Back in April, when asked who were the top candidates for the GOP in 2012, Limbaugh said Palin and Sanford of South Carolina.

One down and one to go. lol!

So much for Limbaugh's prognostication skills. "

even steven wrote on Aug 20, 2009 2:40 PM:

" It's obvious why the gender-confused leftists hate Palin. Leftist women are mannish, hairy creatures who lurk around and look like they have Buckwheat in a headlock. Leftist men tend to be intimidated by sexy, good looking women, since those very women have always shunned them as the weak, insignificant twerps that they are, so they feel compelled to denigrate her and anyone who happens to like her. It's evident, and thinking people see this is true. Leftists are so silly and powerless. "

father bob wrote on Aug 20, 2009 2:53 PM:

" i see the loony rightwing mouthbreathers have their back-fat up over postings regarding the topic of this letter.

funny how there aren't ANY posts of the "Pro" position that don't immediately elude to the president or other issues. no one is posting any redeeming social values or attributes palin might have.....i suppose it's because THERE ARE NONE!!....LMAO!!! "

father bob wrote on Aug 20, 2009 2:58 PM:

" anyone remember Brad Hanson? "

The Question wrote on Aug 20, 2009 3:14 PM:

" What kind of person would saddle her kids with names like Track, Bristol, Willow, Trig and Piper? Why not Doorknob and Faucet?
---
That's a keeper, Harry. "

Bps wrote on Aug 20, 2009 3:22 PM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 20, 2009 10:28 AM:
" Bps wrote on Aug 19, 2009 9:17 PM:
"and joe, maybe i'm not really black....just egging on the bigots who expose themselves so willingly. """""

or maybe i'm a muslim.....praise be to Allah! "
----------------
Isnt anonymity great?

You can say you are anything you want and nobody can prove different.

I like screen names also, but it is because:

1. It makes it so that the others on the forum have to judge by the content of what you post combined with the sources of that information you use that make or break your points.

2. Being grey keeps crazys from showing up at the house or your job

So you feel free to be any little thing you want to be, Ok... "

The Question wrote on Aug 20, 2009 3:25 PM:

" Nice to have it confirmed that Bush and Cheney were using fake threats of terrorism to get re-elected. Exactly what fascists would do, isn't it? "

The Question wrote on Aug 20, 2009 3:52 PM:

" So we now have confirmation from Tom Ridge that Bush and Cheney FABRICATED TERRORIST THREATS AGAINST THE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. in order to get re-elected. Let's let that sink in, and consider the full implications. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:06 PM:

" It seems that some have a certain belief - say one thing, do another.

It also seems hypocrisy is not a party favorite.

Well, back to the subject at hand. If one desires to discuss former politics, that's a missive for a different day, or so I hear. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:28 PM:

" "Why not Doorknob and Faucet? "-----
LOL thats the post of the day.

LOL @ question "I know they are sorry your little ape pal ever lied the U.S. into invading their country, Rohn. Your simian savior made all this inevitable. "------
He is not mine, never was, you will "never see where I have even insinuated he was". I have told you I am in the middle I see good and bad on both sides, if we was all like that we would be a lot better off. They are all the same.
And I will still bet there is many hundreds of thousands more than not that are glad we came in, only a fruit fly like you would not think so. Nice switch over dodging what was asked. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:56 PM:

" I see today that Sarah's co-leader of the GOP is making gay jokes, making Barney Frank the butt of his comments (no pun intended). Considering Limbaugh's well know arrest for solicitation of a male prostitute back in the 70's this seems a bit odd. "

The Question wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:00 PM:

" To invade and occupy a nation that has not attacked or threatened you, and to imprison and torture its citizens, is evil, Rohn. It is an evil act that will stain the United States for the rest of its history. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 20, 2009 8:28 PM:

" Nice touch LOL! :-P "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:33 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 4:56 PM:
" I see today that Sarah's co-leader of the GOP is making gay jokes, making Barney Frank the butt of his comments (no pun intended). Considering Limbaugh's well know arrest for solicitation of a male prostitute back in the 70's this seems a bit odd. "

Funny for being well known I couldn't find anything that was not from Leftist Forum sites. You would think something like that would be documented, and not privy to only the few. You right that is a bit odd. I mean making accusation with no proof, just as bob likes to do. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:35 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:55 AM:
" NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 19, 2009 8:00 PM:

" The looney leftys mantra is, "I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin, I hate Sarah Palin".....but isn't it comical how they have absolutely no outrage over JOHN "it ain't my baby" EDWARDS?" "

Psst...hey neo, this thread is about Sarah, not John Edwards. Write a letter to the editor about him if you want to discuss his problems. "

Yea, because the democrats do nothing wrong. They are the only ones to allowed to attack character. If it's them that messes up character doesn't matter. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 20, 2009 11:38 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 20, 2009 7:19 AM:
" No it does bother me. As I have said so many times before. He is our President and no matter if you agree with his views or not deserves respect. Odd that you would bring this up though since you are one of the worst at showing respect to someone who's views you do not agree with, example Sarah Palin.

Nice try jr, but no cigar for you. About the only time you ever comment about it is when you get called out for your hypocrisy. Negative comments are made on this site about the current president daily, and you never respond, only when your in your defensive mode do you say a word. I think you're too busy whining about the Bush/Palin comments from the left. And I see you're fake plumber fan too. Think he'd make a god running mate for Sarah? lol! "

Harry you might want to look at my posts. I have always said the man deserves respect. You and the Lemmings are the ones who show no respect to anyone who disagrees with you. Terms such as "nutballs", "thumpers", and "Queen of the Tundra" really shows class. Maybe if I capitalize it: OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT AND DESERVES RESPECT TO MATTER YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS!!!! Why do I have a feeling you still won't get it? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 7:40 AM:

" Les Leopold Author of The Looting of America-

It seems like the only way to crack the news is report on Palin's mind-numbing fantasies. No matter how ridiculous the comment or concept, what she says becomes news. What's even more worrisome is that she won't go away. And that means there is some chance, however slim, that she could become a "serious" presidential contender, and even, heaven help us, become our president. That last nightmarish thought scares the hell out of me.

I doubt that the American voters are that stupid. Sarah does make for good entertainment, it's hard to tell what will come out of her mouth next. The best part is seeing the establishment Republicans fall all over her with their fawning toady like praises and support for her loony ideas.

I'm predicting that before the day is over Sarah will enlighten us with more of her homespun wisdom. Stay tuned. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 21, 2009 7:56 AM:

" You are right in a way. We went in on overloading talk, as some was true, some was not true, and some was stretching the truth. Which ever way it was I do believe if they try they will be a better place if they try now that saddam is gone.
I still say big George made the mistake of all in not finishing saddam the first trip over there. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:15 AM:

" "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." --Sarah Palin, on the Iraq war

Yup, the Iraq war and occupation was all part of God's plan, at least to Sarah is was. lol! "

father bob wrote on Aug 21, 2009 9:54 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 20, 2009 3:52 PM:
" So we now have confirmation from Tom Ridge that Bush and Cheney FABRICATED TERRORIST THREATS AGAINST THE CITIZENS OF THE U.S. in order to get re-elected. Let's let that sink in, and consider the full implications. """"""

wait until monday TQ...we'll have a lot more to talk about. i think cheney's toast... "

father bob wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:11 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 8:15 AM:
" "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." --Sarah Palin, on the Iraq war

Yup, the Iraq war and occupation was all part of God's plan, at least to Sarah is was. lol!

maybe it was allah's plan to bring yet another invader to punish....but hey, i'd rather believe the truth..that it was a war conspired by evil men who should be tried in an international court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. then swiftly hanged. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:11 PM:

" ....but hey, i'd rather believe the truth..that it was a war conspired by evil men who should be tried in an international court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. then swiftly hanged. "

I'd rather see Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld setting in a cell for the rest of their natural life lined with the pictures of all those killed for this needless atrocity. Hanging is too good for them, fb. "

father bob wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:21 PM:

" Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Former UBS AG banker Bradley Birkenfeld was sentenced to 40 months in prison for conspiring to help wealthy Americans evade taxes.

Birkenfeld, 44, played a key role in showing prosecutors and U.S. Senate investigators how Zurich-based UBS helped Americans hide as much as $20 billion in assets, the government said.

Id like to express my regret for my actions, Birkenfeld, who pleaded guilty last year, told U.S. District Judge William Zloch today in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

The sentence was 10 months longer than prosecutors requested in court papers citing his substantial assistance in the investigation of UBS. Birkenfeld argued in a filing that he deserved probation, not prison, in exchange for his cooperation.

The judge didnt explain his reasons for the sentence. The maximum punishment for the crime is five years.

UBS agreed on Aug. 19 to hand over account information on 4,450 accounts to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. The bank on Feb. 18 said it would pay $780 million to avoid prosecution.

at least it's a start.... "

illinoisbound wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:44 PM:

" Mr. Hankins,
I appreciate your letter. I'm sure you knew when you wrote it that the sharks would circle. I admire your grit. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:51 PM:

" "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council.

Sarah in 2012... "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:59 PM:

" I may not answer the questions that either the moderator or you want to hear, but I'm going to talk straight to the American people and let them know my track record also." --Sarah Palin, on not answering the questions in the vice presidential debate, St. Louis, Missouri, Oct. 2, 2008

This must be what jr was referring to when he said Palin defeated Biden in the VP debates. I guess going to a debate and not answering questions spells victory to the Palin fans. lol! "

father bob wrote on Aug 21, 2009 1:06 PM:

" the criminals bush and cheney have another small problem....blackwater and it's mercenaries were fed millions to be able to carry out assasination and murder-for-hire.

the plot thickens! "

Bps wrote on Aug 21, 2009 1:10 PM:

" So, can one of the Liberal Cadre members explain this latest quote from the President for us (as he called those who oppose his programs) members of the vast right-wing conspiracy?

And I quote:

"There is something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee weed up!"

http://tinyurl.com/m6mywx

Has he been around Bidden to long or is someone messing with his teleprompter? "

father bob wrote on Aug 21, 2009 3:49 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 21, 2009 12:59 PM:
"I guess going to a debate and not answering questions spells victory to the Palin fans. lol! """"""

the scary part is... they're too ignorant to realize HER ignorance. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Aug 21, 2009 6:12 PM:

" I'll tell you something she does have, a BIRTH CERTIFICATE "

woodtick wrote on Aug 21, 2009 10:14 PM:

" These discussions sure do get tangential. . .
I will heartily endorse Palin's nomination for the next six elections with the same support I offered with my petition signature for Ross Perot (lunatic fringe right of center will only factionalize the opposition to free choice and civil rights.

Rohn, you have an uncanny grasp on the pulse of Coles County. Iraq War happened because "Big Bush" was sleeping with the Saudi's (who deserved retalliation) and Saddam boldly referred to "W" as Junior Bush. Can't imagine who Sarah would attack!

Father Bob, at one point the US had as many mercenary "contractors" in the conflict as government soldiers - better paid with little oversight.

Peace, out. "

illinoisbound wrote on Aug 22, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Good one, Jon! For someone so transparent, he sure hides a lot! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:07 AM:

" The L.A Times reports that after conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.

Palin told him that dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time, Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks, .....

There it is Jon, there's the proof for your idea that the earth is only 6000 years old. Sarah said it so it must be true

Anti-science Palin is Vanatta's kind of gal it seems.

I guess Jon didn't see the Kenyan birth certificate that the unhinged mother of the birthers came up with either. How come the birthers aren't pushing that one. Oh yeah, like everything else they've come up with, it was debunked as a fake. "

CrowWoman wrote on Aug 22, 2009 12:39 PM:

" Good grief, Jon, are you still going on about that birth certificate? It's been about a year now, right? "

CrowWoman wrote on Aug 22, 2009 12:44 PM:

" I believe all of you are taking Sarah Palin way too seriously. Seems to me she's set on a self-destruct sequence, and eventually she's going to crash and burn. Her words and behavior are erratic, to say the least. Even if by some stretch of the imagination she were a candidate in the next election (assuming she's around by then), she would never be voted in. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 1:35 PM:

" From the leader of the birther movement, Russian born Orly Taitz, comes these gems:

A number of homosexuals from Obama's former church have died mysteriously.

Obama has dozens of social security numbers, and his passport is inaccurate.

Taitz claims that a person who was cooperating with the FBI in connection with Obama's passport died mysteriously, "shot in the head".

A Kenyan birth certificate with the name "Barack Obama" is authentic.

Obama's first act as president was to donate money to Hamas, which she claims will be used to build Qassam rockets.

Obama or someone connected to him has made threats to Taitz's life, including vandalizing her car.

Obama is having FEMA build internment camps for "Anti-Obama dissidents"

I'm sure Orly is open to donations, Jon. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 22, 2009 6:13 PM:

" Yes woodtick, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and not wanting to upset Daddy's business partners, Bush jr went after Iraq.

If Bush had exerted as must pressure on Afghanistan, like he should have, that mess would have been cleaned up by now.

The Republicans are between a rock and and a hard place, after Bush's Iraq war they would have a hard time criticizing Obama for his efforts in Afghanistan. But I'm sure they would like to. "

291953 wrote on Aug 22, 2009 9:30 PM:

" If sarah palin is so morally pure, please explain how her daughter didn't follow the example set by this moral and perfect woman.

Also, I am still waiting to be explained to me where she is getting the "death squad" idea from in regards to the Obama health plans issue. Methinks it is something that just popped into her little head and is rattling around in there.

Generally, if sarah palin is the answer, it's gotta be a real stupid question. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Aug 23, 2009 10:34 AM:

" CrowWoman it has been since before the election that many of us pointed out that Obama has never established his citizenship. That should have been investigated and resovlved then but it has not been. That should have been put to rest and an end put to all this problem. All he had to do was release his real birth certificate but he did not and he still is defying the Constitution and refusing to and all the sheeple are still closing their eyes and most of the media lapdogs are still covering for him. This is a problem that is not ever going to go away and is going to cloud his presidency forever. What is he hiding that is so damaging that he is willing to spend over a million dollars to his law firms to keep hidden?
He will never be able to survive another presidential election without clearing up this issue because a candidate running against him will eat him alive over this.
This is a man who ran on a platform of transparency! "

The Question wrote on Aug 23, 2009 12:26 PM:

" The Republicans drove the car off the cliff and then turned the wheel over to Obama and said, "It's your problem now. Get us out of this, smarty."
We're lucky that Obama is an intelligent, steady man, because he's going to have a hellish series of crises to try to steer us through, with the Republican hyenas tearing at his legs the whole time.
Given the unholy mess we are in, Obama probably has a slim chance of success, and the Republicans will seize on any failures their policies caused, blame them on Obama and use that as a route back to power. Then they'll take up where they left off, with legalized torture, massive police-state spying on Americans, green-lighting financial fraud, unjustified invasions based on lies, and so forth.
All those crimes are going unpunished, and that's an engraved invitation for them to be committed again. "

The Question wrote on Aug 23, 2009 1:10 PM:

" Sen. Chuck Grassley acknowledged on Sunday that the claims he made two weeks ago that Democratic health care legislation would allow the government to "pull the plug on grandma" did not reflect the language of the bills.
"I know the Pelosi bill doesn't intend to do that," said Grassley. "It won't do that," he added later.
In honor of the unemployed mouth named Sarah Palin, permit me to paraphrase her. Two things flip-flop dying fish and lying Republicans. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 23, 2009 4:19 PM:

" Good grief, even the Obama bashing Fox news has acknowledged that the birth certificate claim is not valid.

Jon is in good company with his fellow fruitcake Orly Taitz.

But then again, like the rocket scientist Sarah Palin, Jon believes the earth is only 6000 years old.

Any thoughts on Obama's death panels or internment camps for political dissidents being built by the nefarious Home Land Security folks, Jon? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 23, 2009 4:36 PM:

" Latest from Sarah Palin and Fox news:

"the Veterans Administration encourages veterans to forego care as they make end-of-life decisions." And Fox News' Sean Hannity and RNC chair Michael Steele were calling it the equivalent of "death panel".

This latest lie has been thoroughly debunked, but watch fro the Palin fanatics to repeat this one too.

I'm starting to think Palin, like Fox news, just throws things out hoping some of it will stick. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 23, 2009 8:26 PM:

" Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) acknowledged on Sunday that the claims he made two weeks ago -- that Democratic health care legislation would allow the government to "pull the plug on grandma" -- did not reflect the language of the bills.

In an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation," the Iowa Republican admitted that the current legislation being considered by Congress didn't include the infamous death panel provision that would allow the government to determine who should live or die.

"I know the Pelosi bill doesn't intend to do that," said Grassley. "It won't do that," he added later.

Now that Grassley has fessed up to his error, will Sarah?

Upon realising he was wrong, Grassley admitted his error. Or perhaps it was because he knew he would looked pretty stupid if he stuck by that lie. Somehow I can't see Palin owning up to her mistake. Somehow it will be the fault of the MSM. "

father bob wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:36 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 23, 2009 4:36 PM:
"I'm starting to think Palin, like Fox news, just throws things out hoping some of it will stick. """""

See: Batsh*t Bachmann... "