" It sure would be nice if Chapin would introduce a bill requiring the sale of over the counter cold pills to be accompanied by a prescription.As far as this new law goes,it would be ok if it could be enforced,what are they going to do garnish inmates state pay?I also find it hard to believe it will be distibuted fairly and evenly,especialy if Chicago's involved.

Just like The Illinois State lottery,how much of those proceeds ever make it to where they're airmarked? "

" Oh boy now it will quadruple at minimum. "

" JW....Have you contacted Chapin or any other represenitive? That would be a great bill for the alumni to support! "

" 61912,I have written Righter,Durbin,Madigan,but not personally written Chapin as of yet but he is aware of my current intentions via other sources. I have found over the last yr of working on this, it is to the point it is a very political issue, including sudafed lobbiest and others and appearently they have the law exactly where they want it to be,it's all about the $$$$.

The last I heard there isn't much of an ilumni left,and by what I observed during my journey through that program very very rarely did any graduate return and offer help to others,so why would they want to help now??

The court has been charging $500.00 dollar task force fees for yrs,so whats being reported is nothing but another big pool of money that will all go NORTH thats why the article says agencies can apply for the funds.At least the funds that have been collected around here in the past,some I know at least gets reinvested by supporting the Dr.ct program.I have nothing but respect for the retired officer that arrested me,he helped get some funding for the program and opposes the current legal limit laws,just wish the ASA would follow suit,but once again when crap gets political everbodys affraid of steppin on toes.

Oregon is the only state I know of that had such a problem with meth, that they have a prescription only law,their stats show meth conspiracy charges,meth labs& meth participation arrest are now nearly non-exsistant.I'll just continue on and hopefully somebody will listen,besides that Id rather be trying to stop what almost killed me than participating with it anymore. "

" I'm not sure of this, but, I believe there is already some type of rule/law in place, as to the amount of cold meds one can purchase, in a certain time frame.

Anyone know? "

" Rotty~ I'm not for sure but I think it's that you can only buy a specific number of boxes per month, maybe 2??

JW~ I was the only one attending the alumni meetings for a while when finally BS said it was a waste of time meeting until others were involved. I would love to get it started again. Get my number from BS and give me a call. "

" Cold meds are to be signed for and only two can be purchased. The problem is thieves just steal it to sell to the methmakers for $60 a package. I learned from someone who was caught, went into rehab, and told reasoning resold the cold meds. Behind the pharmacy desk good place for them and have show ID to get just one at a time seems be a better procedure. That is why paper often reports persons involved frequented many stores for the cold medicine. I couldn't believe the money in meth making and selling. But is it worth it to die in eight years, which last heard about how long have once start using. I saw women who had taken it, snaggly rotten teeth, skin like an alligator, looked 80 and only late 30s and into early 40s. SAD. Men also have the rotten teeth and look old and lots of wrinkles. Some can still talk intelligently while others are impaired. How many children exposed to the meth making? I know of a dog who lost all hair being around the making.
Poor thing. SHOULD BE PRISON TIME FOR KILLING AN ANIMAL AROUND THAT CRAP.
Arrest them and make them scoop dog poo in the parks and clean out the animal shelters pens. Offenders chain gang out cleaning along the highways. Pulling weeds by hand be a good job also. Lunch a brownbag of bologna and greenbeans, big pail of water. Hate the poor things to be hot and no water like some animals have been done. "

" Rotty,the Il.law is 7.5 grams per month,wich is 2 1/2 packages of 10 count packages of sudafed 24hr.There are however more combinations of box counts,brands ect.Once a person purchases that 3rd package they automaticaly broke the law.My chief complaint is,this govt.has deemed it necessary to label these pills as dangerous, enough to make them a cotrolled substance,the only known controlled substances Ive ever heard of that doesn't have a prescriptions are illegal(coke,herion,ect). I also understand people don't have to by them but the fact is they do.Either to trade for the finshed product,or for cash.This current law has been in effect long enough that athourities know it cut the production of meth in this area by more than in half,logicly thinking,why not put a prescription only status on the pills and virtualy stop the problem completely? The misery,arrest's,fires,enviormental damage,the spread of the addiction,far outweighs the convenience of plain folks having to get a prescription.

I might seem selfish but if a prescription only law were to take place that would also help reinforce me not returning to that insane addiction. "

" Thanks all for your posts.

I understand what you're saying & wish you luck in your efforts, JW. Even though the ole saying of "a few ruin it for the rest" can apply here, something does need to be done to try to eliminate this terrible problem. "

" Laws change all the time, & this report is from way back & out of this state, but from what I recollect, there were numerous brands of any number of drugs on the controlled substance list. It is not only to watch for possible meth manufacturers, but ANY potential abuse.

Won't go into a list of details, but a common example from back then was certain formulas of Robitussin, because of the codeine content.

The problem with a prescription only law, is, while it could be a step in the right direction, as far as tracking buyers, it opens a whole new can of worms for forged prescriptions, theft of Medicaid cards, criminal elder & disadvantaged abuse (to gain control of their Medical account funding) & other crimes. "

" An addition to my earlier post....

Hey, if they can lock up condoms, why not some of these easy to aquire meds? "

" R Rotty & Tiger,I agree with what you both said. As you both have witnessed this meth epidimic that swept through here did not discriminate,there were even school teachers effected.I just find it hard to swallow that people are serving 15-25 yrs for just participating in buying these pills.

While people like the ex-gov and all of his conspirators,that robbed this state blind,have never even felt what handcuffs feel like.Just like the one we have now,holding the people of this state hostage by jeopardizing our safety and the safety of correctional officers,among other things.It's confusing.I guess meth addicts are considered a very low form of life an should all be put away,but at whos expense?
Mama are you miraculous mother from the Easyrider rag? lol "

" If you decriminalize drugs all of the extra money wasted on the "war on drugs" could be put to better use. If people want to kill themselves with poison, let them. Decriminalizing would take billions a year wasted on task forces and several other billions a year locking them up. The current "war" does nothing but increase the drugs profitablity to gang bangers and thugs. If we taxed drug use we could use the money for rehab for those who've had enough. "

" 100 meth convictions at $25.00 a pop would net $2500.00. Yeah, I think that will help. "

" Now that they have this 25 bucks a head for convictions, look for more cuts from the state and feds.

The fines would be collected throughout the state and put in a single fund from which the task forces could then apply for portions of it, he explained.

The whole idea is to distribute it fairly and evenly, Rose said.

This money is going to the abyss of Springfield to be divided up and administered for a small fee. How long before rob peter to pay paul dips into this or any other pool of money they administer.

What kind of mechanism exists in Springfield to distribute money fairly and evenly, without two for me one for you accounting bureaucracy being applied.

I think the taskforce and law enforcement, needs sound funding. Some should also go to the SA office. Convictions fines should help cover their costs. How are fines currently divided to whom? Does this plan apply to citation drug offenses if there are any in the state? Is this fine, per count? If big and small prosecutions/convictions net the same chance at someday possibly getting part of 25 bucks, how might that play out in enforcement of crime?

The bigger the crime, the more expense and resources it takes to make arrests, and prosecute, usually. Once in a while a simple traffic stop does snag a mule and cargo here and there. Doesn't this law kind of have designs to possibly encourage quantity over quality work? Is that the right way to go or message to send?

Rose couldn't find his head with both hands and handsfree GPS turn by turn navigation most of the time. How's that blighted corn field looking Him and Righter legislated specificly contributes to flooding north east as far as Loxa, so agracel could get its convention center plan to fit TIF, on a 3rd try at it? Since its a complete no go project unless the taxpayers can be saddled in various ways to prop it up. "

" Raider you are right, but add to that the false charge meth convictions and your total will be way higher.
You people messing with meth, their families and people around them think its bad now??? Just wait. "

" The court always gets their money right off the top, of fines & ct cost,they make people pay or appear,but once they have their money, restitution is usually left for the victim to collect on their own via-small claims.

That $2500.00 looks good on paper,but collecting it is one thing,dispersing it fairly is another. "

" Which brings up a question which most seem to be conveniently ignoring:
Where is the Dispersing Clerk during all this discussion , & how does he/she plan on fairly seeing the funding dispensed properly?
Hello?
What is to say they are not already ratholing & grafting? You all have got to consider this is Downstate, not the Metros we are talking about.

Not doing any accusations, but trying to get some feedback from those holding the pursestrings. "

" Once a person purchases that 3rd package they automaticaly broke the law.

I wonder how many laws NASA broke years ago when they said Sudafed was the preferred medicine for the Astronauts, they probably washed it down with Tang.

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 17, 2009 1:04 AM:

" An addition to my earlier post....

Hey, if they can lock up condoms, why not some of these easy to aquire meds? "


The only reason they lock up Rubbers is to keep kids from stealing them.

I like the story my sister told me, she worked in a gas station and a kid came in one night wanting to buy som rubbers, he told her he wanted to be safe (very smart and considerate) she ask him how many he wanted, his reply, 8 ought to do it. "

" medic57 wrote on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 AM:
"The only reason they lock up Rubbers is to keep kids from stealing them."

Oh I know, thanks for driving the point home. "

" Medic, I think he was a smart and foreword thinking young man by purchasing 8. or possibly wishful thinking? "

" Hmm NASA,I wondered were the original meth lab recipe originated from.It's been broke down so much through the yrs now even a cave man can do it. "

" Becky your idea is a good one. I've watched a series on the History Channel called" Hooked illegal drugs and how they got that way" that is very informative. At one time every drug that is now illegal was at one time legal. If drugs were made legal, they could tax them the way they do prescription medications. The manufactures would pay taxes on them the users would pay taxes on them the crime element is removed freeing up rooms in prisons and lessening the bureden of that on the taxpayers. All of the tax money collected on the drugs could go as somone else said ( I think it was Becky) can be used to fund rehab services for those who want to stop the maddness of drug addiction. another thing I have to question is why the goverment does not ban pseudoephdrine since I've read in several articles in Newsweek and Time that ingredent is the reason people buy the cold pills to make methamphetimine in the first place. The cold pills without all that stuff should work just as well to relive cold/allergy symptoms. "

" Devishangel,It will never happen. There is to much greed and corruption within the govt.The issue about legalized marijuana in Calif,came up on here awhile back and one poster reminded everybody that fed law trumps state law,he was absolutely correct.Just watch what happens here real soon to all those people in Cal, flaunting getting rich off producing *medical weed and dispersing it* the feds will swoop in and take all their assets, & freedom,they are just waiting, betcha.

Even if all drugs were legalized people will still rob,kill just to come up with the money to buy them.If they would make it mandatory for Everybody to carry a firearm,then legalize all drugs,in about 10 yrs and millions of deaths later the population would get back to some normalcy,the first 5yrs or so would probably resemble Gunsmoke. "