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Monday, August 10, 2009 9:52 PM CDT
LETTER: Elected officials keeping their insurance plan

TERRENCE McGUIRE, Stewardson

To the geniuses who would rather keep their money in their pocket than get health insurance. I suggest they stay home and read why the country’s health insurance companies have a strangle hold on the citizens who buy their product.

The citizens who have insurance are the ones who pay for the geniuses who don’t have it. President Obama knows exactly what it will take to make it work. I’ll take his ideas and run with it, rather than pay for someone who has selfish reasons. I would like to know why the senators and congressmen voted to keep their insurance programs, instead of the one they are brokering for the rest of us who have to fund theirs.

I’ll take paying more taxes on an even playing field any day.

Social Security has saved the retirement community not only lives, but monetary benefits as well. If the politicians would leave the fund alone it would last forever.

TERRENCE McGUIRE

Stewardson

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jrhendren wrote on Aug 11, 2009 12:02 AM:

" Social Security was never meant to be here forever. It was to be help during the Depression. As for Congress voting to keep their plan that should be the biggest red flag to everyone. They are selling snake oil, and not buying it themselves. "

Hound Dog wrote on Aug 11, 2009 7:55 AM:

" Let the town hall meetings go on this month, then have debates on the final watered down bill, then and only then, put the final bill on the 2010 election ballot, so WE, the people, can decide for or against what is best, and not letting the idiots in Washington decide for us. "

julio wrote on Aug 11, 2009 8:23 AM:

" Call you local officials and ask about their pension plan too. "

Bernie wrote on Aug 11, 2009 9:00 AM:

" All Americans should be on the same plan. That way we would all have the strongest protection at the best prices with the most transparency. "

medic57 wrote on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 AM:

" To the geniuses who would rather keep their money in their pocket than get health insurance. I suggest they stay home and read why the countrys health insurance companies have a strangle hold on the citizens who buy their product.

To the genius who thinks I CAN buy health insurance while having Diabetes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral. Tell me Terrance, what do those of us do who CAN'T buy health insurance do? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 AM:

" Good grief jr, are you against SS too? "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 11, 2009 4:09 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 AM:
" Good grief jr, are you against SS too? "

Not necessarily against, but how it is ran. I do not care to put my money into a system that will not be their when I need it. I would rather place my money in a HSA, or even a Mutual Fund of my choice. Let me take care of my retirement not the government. The fact still remains that it was not meant to be permanent. "

father bob wrote on Aug 11, 2009 5:40 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 AM:
"To the genius who thinks I CAN buy health insurance while having Diabetes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral. Tell me Terrance, what do those of us do who CAN'T buy health insurance do? """"""

meds, it's your rightwing buddies that really don't care about you. open your eyes man..... "

father bob wrote on Aug 11, 2009 5:53 PM:

" jrhendren wrote on Aug 11, 2009 4:09 PM:
" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 AM:
"I do not care to put my money into a system that will not be their when I need it. I would rather place my money in a HSA, or even a Mutual Fund of my choice. Let me take care of my retirement not the government.""""""

so glad you have the money to live any way your heart desires. that doesn't give you, or people like you, the right to condemn those who have nothing.....and there are many of them around. even on these threads. i'll bet you have the first nickel you ever made, you talk like a money grubber. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 11, 2009 6:48 PM:

" To the genius who thinks I CAN buy health insurance while having Diabetes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral. Tell me Terrance, what do those of us do who CAN'T buy health insurance do? "

This is exactly why Obama is willing to take on the insurance companies. Those in the boat keep telling people like you to keep swimming, medic. "

sister wrote on Aug 11, 2009 9:04 PM:

" There is a clear misunderstanding here. The so far proposed health care reform, would give everyone the option of picking from same insurance options that all federal government employees have. There is no need for them to committ to changing theirs...... they are trying to give us what they have. If we would only pay attention......it really is about all of us having the same choices. How can so many people not see this. Again, congress is trying to give to us the same insurance options they have. No need for them to be expected to change theirs. "

what? wrote on Aug 11, 2009 10:01 PM:

" Pinatas stuffed full of goodies, here, take a swat or two, oh but wait, first we must put this blindfold on you and spin you around a time or three. "

what wrote on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 PM:

" They print a lot of money and put it in the trough, the big fat hogs root, shove, squeal and slobber over it, sometimes there's not much left. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 12, 2009 12:50 AM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 11, 2009 5:53 PM:
" jrhendren wrote on Aug 11, 2009 4:09 PM:
" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 11, 2009 11:01 AM:
"I do not care to put my money into a system that will not be their when I need it. I would rather place my money in a HSA, or even a Mutual Fund of my choice. Let me take care of my retirement not the government.""""""

so glad you have the money to live any way your heart desires. that doesn't give you, or people like you, the right to condemn those who have nothing.....and there are many of them around. even on these threads. i'll bet you have the first nickel you ever made, you talk like a money grubber. "

When did I say I can live how my heart desires? Wanting to take the money I put into SS and put it into a fund does not mean I have money laying around. Nor do I condemn those on SS as usual you take what someone says and twist it to what you want them to say. Until resonantly I was very bad at making my money work for me not me working for my money. Me and my wife are slowly becoming debt free, so no I do not have the first nickel I made. Even if I did that would not make me a "money grubber", because I know how to save instead of spend. If you knew half of what you thought you knew of people you'd be dangerous. If the only income you now have bob is SS that is fine, my points remain though that I should have the right to place my money somewhere else if I wanted to and that SS was not originally to be permanent. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 12, 2009 12:54 AM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 11, 2009 5:40 PM:
" medic57 wrote on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 AM:
"To the genius who thinks I CAN buy health insurance while having Diabetes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral. Tell me Terrance, what do those of us do who CAN'T buy health insurance do? """"""

meds, it's your rightwing buddies that really don't care about you. open your eyes man..... "

Actually I know of someone who has kidney disease and has great insurance through our place of business. He pays no more then anyone else. "

medic57 wrote on Aug 12, 2009 1:46 AM:

" Harry

I said I couldn't buy insurance, I didn't say I couldn't get treated.

I get my medical care taken care of by Sarah Bush's Financial Aid Plan, that included 2 surgeries in the last 2 years, I get my medicine for free from the Pharmaceutical Companies. Do I feel bad about this? not one bit, I paid in for 35 years, why shouldn't I take back?
As far as living beyond my means, I don't think so, I have Gas and Electricity, Water, Telephone (No Cable) and Internet, (it's included), Car Insurance (Liability) and a 9 year old Malibu. So, as far as taking back some out of the system, why not? I helped to put it there. "

just wondering wrote on Aug 12, 2009 9:18 AM:

" If Obama really wants to take on the insurance companies, he should tell them to get their prices in line. He should also set some price controls on the medical profession. Trouble is if he tells them that, there will be less money for those companies to donate to him and other politicians. "

father bob wrote on Aug 12, 2009 10:45 AM:

" jrhendren wrote on Aug 12, 2009 12:54 AM:
"Actually I know of someone who has kidney disease and has great insurance through our place of business. He pays no more then anyone else. """""

in new mexico, group insurance coverage can't deny coverage for an employee, they are automatically eligible once they have passed the probationary period.

a group can either be age rated or composite rated. if a group is composite rated, it is rated based on the demographics of the group....so the healthy employee's premiums are affected and reflect a higher rate to offset the unhealthy employees...with everyone paying the same premium. it can be a good deal for some and a bad deal for others.

my plan is age rated....so i pay a higher rate..... being an old man. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:02 PM:

" jrhendron:"Social Security was never meant to be here forever. "

This is of course a falsehood. I've forgotten the exact phrase, but it was explained online that conservatives were mis-interpreting a phrase in the bill to imply that this was the case, but it is NOT. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:10 PM:

" medic57:"To the genius who thinks I CAN buy health insurance while having Diabetes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral. Tell me Terrance, what do those of us do who CAN'T buy health insurance do? "

I KNOW what you need to go; get down on
your knees and pray that Obama's "government option" goes thru.

Insurance should be a shared responsibility; but as the health insurance industry works, they simply take your money, filter out a share for themselves, and pay your provider -- SOMETIMES.

If a small business having, say, a dozen employees and ONE has a VERY serious problem, at the next renewal the insurance company will raise the rates so high the employer will have to drop his insurance -- and individuals will not be able to afford it either.

A similar situation would be if your neighbor's house burned down and homeowner insurance rates were raised for 2 or 3 blocks in all directions. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:13 PM:

" jrhendren:"Not necessarily against, but how it is ran. I do not care to put my money into a system that will not be their when I need it."
EMERGENCY EMERGENCY -- call the English department at once; 2 serious injuries!!! "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:30 PM:

" ENOUGH of this BS about SS not intended to be permanent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
========================================
SEC. 202. (a) Every qualified individual (as defined in section 210) shall be entitled to receive, with respect to the period beginning on the date he attains the age of sixty-five, or on January 1, 1942, whichever is the later, and ending on the date of his death, an old-age benefit (payable as nearly as practicable in equal monthly installments) as follows: "

Enemies of SS claim that the intent was to END SS as of January 1, 1942. What this CLEARLY describes is the BEGINNING of SS.
Basically that SS begins payments on Jaunary 1, 1942. If you are 67 for example on January 1, 1942 you were 65 in 1940 so your SS starts on the LATER of the two dates, so you start drawing January 1, 1942.
If you are 62 on January 1, 1942 and will be 65 then on 1945, you will start drawing SS on the LATER date, i.e. 1965.

There are many like jrhendren who are not very good at mathematics and have mis-interpreted this by mistake. There are conservatives who have mis-interpreted it on purpose to SCARE the PANTS off the public, and claim the FDR never intended it to be permanent.

What hogwash!!! "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:43 PM:

" just wondering:"" If Obama really wants to take on the insurance companies, he should tell them to get their prices in line. He should also set some price controls on the medical profession."

JW, we're trying to tell you that THIS IS WHAT THE 'GOVERNMENT OPTION' WOULD DO.

I'm looking at a recent Medicare statement.
My Surgeon performed a procedure and the clinic billed $2,190. Medicare says, our negotiated payment for that procedure is $172.75. We are paying 80% of that ($138.20) and the patient pays the rest ($34.55).

Next line, office call with Oncologist:
Bill $105. Medicare says negotiated price is $58.30; we pay 80% (46.64)
and the patient pays the rest ($11.66).

HOW many times do we have to explain the benefits of having the US GOVT as intermediary.

If you think you can negotiate better prices than those examples above, you're welcome to try it!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 6:56 PM:

" On the 12th at 5:30 I wrote:
If you are 62 on January 1, 1942 and will be 65 then on 1945, you will start drawing SS on the LATER date, i.e. 1965.

This was an obvious typo; the last line should read...
"drawing SS on the LATER date, i.e.1945.
Note 1945, not obviously 1965 "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 13, 2009 12:31 AM:

" Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:02 PM:
" jrhendron:"Social Security was never meant to be here forever. "

This is of course a falsehood. I've forgotten the exact phrase, but it was explained online that conservatives were mis-interpreting a phrase in the bill to imply that this was the case, but it is NOT. "

First off it's hendren not hendron. Secondly, after further investigation I concede you are right. It was not to be for a limited time. It was Roosevelt pushing through bad legislation. Their was a bill before Congress that he basically got rid of, that was to help the poor who lost their savings after the Depression. He wanted a way of calming the people who were tired of the government and blamed them for the Depression. In fact the people, like so many now, were not for Social Security. They wanted the government more out of their lives then in. Most, again like today, wanted to use their money how they wanted to, not the government telling them how to use it. Instead we have the government saying, "You can't save for retirement because you don't know how, but we do so we will save it for you." Problem is they are not, and when I retire it won't be there. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 13, 2009 12:34 AM:

" Cognitus wrote on Aug 12, 2009 5:13 PM:
" jrhendren:"Not necessarily against, but how it is ran. I do not care to put my money into a system that will not be their when I need it."
EMERGENCY EMERGENCY -- call the English department at once; 2 serious injuries!!! "

What are the emergencies? Since you are the English police. (Someone needs to get a different hobby.) "

Hound Dog wrote on Aug 13, 2009 5:14 AM:

" Now I see in today's paper, our spineless Democratic senators will NOT participate in town hall meetings during their time off this month, as they are hiding under their desks. So much for representing us and dealing with our health concerns. They should resign or get voted out. "

jackinthebox wrote on Aug 13, 2009 6:29 AM:

" medic57 wrote on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 AM:

" To the geniuses who would rather keep their money in their pocket than get health insurance. I suggest they stay home and read why the countrys health insurance companies have a strangle hold on the citizens who buy their product.

To the genius who thinks I CAN buy health insurance while having Diabetes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral. Tell me Terrance, what do those of us do who CAN'T buy health insurance do? "
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Medic57
You have been in the hospital alot lately. did you have to pay for anything out of your pocket yet? "

jackinthebox wrote on Aug 13, 2009 6:35 AM:

" Sorry Meds, I should have read farther down before post. :) You answered my question before my post. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 7:59 AM:

" Here's something you won't see reported on the fair and balanced Faux news channel.

The latest wave of attacks on health care reform are straight from the insurance-company "playbook," a former industry vice president told reporters at the Capitol Wednesday.

"I know from years as an industry P.R. executive how effective insurers can be using scare tactics to turn public opinion against any reforms that affect profitability," said Wendell Potter, who ran corporate communications for health insurance giant CIGNA until last year. "This year, you can rest assured the industry is up to the same dirty tricks."
Huffington Post-

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this the truth in the above comment.

Of course the disgruntled Obama haters, aided by the likes of Fox news and the Limbaugh's of the world, are blind to the reality of this and will keep spewing their half baked claims that it's not about reform but all part of the secret Obama plan to turn this county towards Socialism. Oh, and killing off granny. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:29 AM:

" GEE, IT SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE OBAMA'S TALKING ABOUT "DEATH PANELS" HERE

OBAMA: So thats where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But thats also a huge driver of cost, right?

I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.

DAVID LEONHARDT: So how do you how do we deal with it?

OBAMA: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And thats part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. Its not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And thats part of what I suspect youll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.
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Ah yes- So Obama "suspects" that the legislative process will produce some sort of independent group that can give non-determinative "guidance" on end-of-life care for the chronically ill, with an eye towards saving money.

But hey- just don't call them death panels! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:44 AM:

" POLL: OBAMA SINKS TO NEW LOW. YAY!!!!!

RASMUSSEN POLL: Obama Approval Rating Falls to New Low: 47 %... Developing...
---------

The kind of political stink that Obama is generating is not the kind that washes off.

And the sweetest part of all is that he thinks if he just appears on TV EVEN MORE (than three times a day, on every day of the week)- he can magically b#lls!*t his way out of this.

But alas, more and more people do not trust him. And the more they hear him blow on with lies and empty rhetoric, and the more he displays his narcissistic condescending arrogance, the more they dislike this elitist j@&ka&$ community organizer.

I hope he fails....... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:50 AM:

" Why does OBAMA HATE THE ELDERLY SO MUCH? "

Lost Confidence wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Social Security is an excellent example of why I do NOT support the variety of health insurance reform. I pay a premium that I chose. BTW I also pay half of my employees premiums. I know what I'm paying for and what I can receive in return. MY CHOICE. Social Security--- I am 20+ years away from being able to draw my full "benefits". Based on my projected life expectancy and the amount of my monthly "benefit" I had paid in more the I could ever draw 3 years ago. Now I get to continue paying for another 20 something years. The other lovely part is since I'm self-employed I get to pay the full 15%. Just another way the government "helps". If SS was such a good idea why did FDR's mother refuse to pay it for herself and all of her employees. FDR unpon hearing this paid these unconstitual taxes for her, under the condition that the sec of tresury never let her know. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 10:40 AM:

" The Democratic Congressional Committee is now raising money off of Sarah Palin's infamous "death panel" remarks, in a new e-mail sent out this afternoon.

"Now, Sarah Palin is outrageously claiming that Americans 'would have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel'' to receive care," the e-mail says, emphasis theirs. "While Palin's attack is a complete fabrication, the GOP is closing ranks to defend these outright lies. Over the weekend, former Speaker Newt Gingrich stood by Palin's bizarre 'death panel' accusation on national TV."

The e-mail encourages recipients to download a "Health Care Fact Check Card," the link to which takes them to a donation page along with the card itself. The letter then ends on a more explicit, direct appeal for money.
TPM Muckraker-

Thanks Sarah, you're the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic party. Keep talking babe! "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 11:13 AM:

" What are the emergencies? Since you are the English police. (Someone needs to get a different hobby.)
---
Well, jr, if you are actually going to try to defend your atrocious spelling, it's "there was," not "their was" and "than in," not "then in."
On another thread, you wrote that "The fact that none of the above would be considered completely sain..." The word, of course, is "sane."
I ordinarily don't point such errors out, but just let them speak to your credibility for themselves. But if you want to be taken seriously, learn to write seriously. "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 11:40 AM:

" A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.
The memo says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.
It appears Obama has given away the store. Shame on him. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 11:42 AM:

" Hey uhm...Harry Potter? Can you tell us what Obama means here?

OBAMA: "So that's where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that's also a huge driver of cost, right?

I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here."

OBAMA: "Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And thats part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. Its not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And thats part of what I suspect you'll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now."
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Go ahead Harry- be brave and tell us;

What EXACTLY is Obama implying here?

What will Harry do folks?

1- Spin unbelievable BS?

2- Claim he can't read Obama's mind and has no idea what his hero is talking about?

3- Completely ignore this question as if he never read it?

4- Ignore this toughie AND return with more distractions?

Place your bets now folks- What will Harry Potter do?............... "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 12:22 PM:

" The "town hall" meetings are whackadoodles on parade, begging to be allowed to cut their own throats as sacrifices to the Great God Corporation.
They'll get their chance yet, once health care reform is defeated and the "free market" finally frees them from medical care entirely. "

Bps wrote on Aug 13, 2009 12:45 PM:

" Ought Oh- the liberal cadre of one will be raving and grumpy tonight.

Look out for postings about Palin, nasty rupub-a-clown terrorist protesters and other such tripe because he will be upset by:

Retail sales unexpectedly dip 0.1
percent in July

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retail sales outside of autos turned in a disappointing performance in July, underscoring concerns about the timing and durability of a recovery from the worst recession since World War II.

The Commerce Department said Thursday that retail sales fell 0.1 percent last month. Economists had expected a gain of 0.7 percent.

New jobless claims rise unexpectedly to 558K...

Presidential Approvall Index -8:

Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 29% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8%.

Presidental Approval now 47% with 52% disapproving:

Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Thats the lowest level of total approval yet recorded.

The Presidents ratings first fell below 50% just a few weeks ago on July 25. Fifty-two percent (52%) now disapprove.

Heath care reform continues to fall:

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan.

Thats down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

Hope he has had a chance to get his Paxil prescription re-filled. "

just wondering wrote on Aug 13, 2009 1:12 PM:

" Cog, I am not sure I believe the numbers you have quoted. I know the ones I have seen sure don't cut that much off the charged price. "

father bob wrote on Aug 13, 2009 2:13 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:50 AM:
" Why does OBAMA HATE THE ELDERLY SO MUCH? """"""

actually, he's secretly cut a deal to sell their organs to china....ROFLMAO!!!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Getty Images- There were signs comparing President Barack Obama to a Nazi and showing him with an Adolf Hitler-style mustache, but federal officials believe another sign referencing the president and his family went too far.

A man who was holding a sign reading "Death to Obama" Wednesday outside a town hall meeting on health care reform in Hagerstown, Md., has been turned over to the Secret Service.

Washington County Sheriff's Capt. Peter Lazich said the sign also read, "Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids."

Wow! Those right wing nutters are really showing a lot of class. But I'm sure jr will say this is their right. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 2:30 PM:

" Sarah Palin is standing by her discredited charge that House Democrats are proposing to create "death panels". The former Alaska governor's statement, which she posted to Facebook on Wednesday evening, came one day after President Obama implicitly took issue with her stance during a Tuesday town-hall meeting in New Hampshire.

Referring to Section 1233 of the House Democratic health care bill, Palin writes: "With all due respect, its misleading for the president to describe this section as an entirely voluntary provision that simply increases the information offered to Medicare recipients."

The truth, however, is that the end of life counseling contained in the House Democratic bill would be voluntary.
ABC news-

Sarah must believe in the old adage that if you tell the same lie over and over eventually people will start to believe it. lol! "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Coming hard on the heels of an economy devastated by deregulated fraud, our inability to rationally repair a greed-collapsed health care system is a symbolic symptom of a dying culture. We're committing suicide by right-wing stupidity. "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:32 PM:

" The "town meetings" are full of ranting old people, whose lives depend on the government-run socialist programs of Medicare and Social Security, who bellow incoherent nonsense against "socialism" and seem to be laboring under the delusion that they are all millionaire entrepreneurs.
THESE are the benighted buffoons who are killing what may be our last chance to fix the health care system before its complete collapse. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 3:35 PM:

" *pssst* Hey Harry?

Apparently you're not aware that the origin of the "Nazi" references at a handful of town-hall protests, including one oft-referenced poster showing Barack Obama with a Hitler moustache, does not come from conservatives opposed to single-payer health care systems. In fact, it comes from the fringe group of Lyndon Larouche- oh and, they oppose ObamaCare for not going- far enough.

You see Harry- they explicitly WANT a single-payer system.

See for yourself:

http://www.larouchepac.com/

You really need to stop listening to the Far-Left media, Harry. lol "

father bob wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:21 PM:

" here ya go, sign the petition!

http://www.colorofchange.org/beck/?id=1780-175369 "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:36 PM:

" OH MY! INTERNAL MEMO CONFIRMS BIG GIVEAWAYS IN OBAMA WHITE HOUSE DEAL WITH BIG PHARMA- REPORTS HUFFINGTON POST. ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

HUFFINGTON POST (Aug 13 2009) A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

*****It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.***********
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Hey uhm Harry Potter? Father Bob? The Question? All you Liberal Moral Outraged Cry-Babies?......can you explain this?

HOPE AND CHANGE BABY!

THE CHICAGO WAY!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:38 PM:

" With Washington bickering over how to reform the health care system and contain its spiraling costs, many Americans simply head to Mexico to get care they can afford. A recent study by the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research estimated that nearly 1 million people from California alone seek medical, dental or prescription services in Mexico each year.
There's your "greatest health care system in the world," grubbing for meds in Mexico. What a pathetic joke. "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:44 PM:

" Republican screamers translated:
1. "I want my country back." Translation, I want 1950s segregation with blacks "knowing their place."
2. "I want the government out of my life."
Translation, if it's Terry Schiavo, it's okay for government to horn in in and take over.
3. "Government health care is socialism." Translation, I want my Medicare, VA, extended Unemployment Benefits and Social Security, but the rest of you can go the blazes. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:54 PM:

" Golly folks!

Isn't it great that we have Mr-Hopey-Changey-Pants-Obama looking out for us?

I mean- isn't his sweet little deal with Big Evil Pharma just cute as a button?

Hey- isn't that uhm......Price-Fixing?

Hey, who's up for a chorus of "YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!"

Anybody? Anybody?

Bueller? Bueller? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:56 PM:

" The Question - " There's your "greatest health care system in the world," grubbing for meds in Mexico. What a pathetic joke. "
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Oh don't worry TQ- YOUR PRESIDENT just "helped us out" with those BIG EVIL MED PRICES!

ROFLMAO!!!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 5:05 PM:

" Barely half of N.C. voters believe President Obama was born in the United States, according to a poll released Tuesday.

Public Policy Polling surveyed 749 North Carolina voters Aug. 4-10, and found that 54 percent believe that Obama was born in the United States. Twenty-six percent of those surveyed said they do not believe Obama was born in the U.S., and 20 percent said they were not sure.

The survey found that only 24 percent of Republican voters in North Carolina believe Obama was born in the U.S.

Conservative critics of Obama contend he is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and, therefore, not eligible to be president.

The director of the health department in Hawaii, where Obama was born, has confirmed that Obama was born in Honolulu in 1961, as indicated by his birth certificate.

Public Policy Polling also asked those surveyed whether they consider Hawaii to be part of the U.S. Five percent said no, and 3 percent said they were not sure.
News&Observer-

Oh those southern Republicans. Is it any wonder why Palin is so popular among the ignorant wing of the GOP. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 5:15 PM:

" A HuffPost reader sent in pictures from President Obama's town hall Wednesday in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, which brought out a veritable rogue's gallery of hard-right activists and conspiracy theorists. Though Republican Party leaders have defended the town hall protesters as citizens concerned about health care, many of those who gathered outside the president's event seemed to have other things on their minds. Signs touted conspiracies about Obama's birth place, compared him to Hitler, suggested his election was a terrorist attack, and came close to threatening him with death.
Huffington post-

Oh yeah, it's just a bunch of concerned citizens, right jr? It's getting uglier by the day folks.

I predict this is going to backfire on the nutters. Average citizens will soon say enough is enough. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 5:47 PM:

" *cough* *cough*

Hey uhm....Harry?

No comment about HuffPo's big scoop on Obama's secretive agreement with Big Pharma?

What's wrong Harry? Whistling through the grave yard here? lol. "

The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 6:37 PM:

" Surely nothing bad could ever come from just letting corporations decide whether we get needed medical treatment or not. They ALWAYS look out for the public's best interests and don't give a darn about what their shareholders think. "

cedric66 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Hey Sister;
What are you smoking? Wow, it must be pretty powerful!! Would you mind sharing???? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Surely nothing bad could ever come from just letting the government decide whether we get needed medical treatment or not. Especially after they establish a monopoly by putting private health care insurance out of business. The government ALWAYS look out for the public's best interests and they don't give a darn what lobbyist think. Like Obama's backroom price-fixing deal with Big Pharma for instance. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:32 PM:

" According to The New York Times, currently the top-three best selling hard-cover books about politics are:

- Culture of Corruption by Michelle Malkin ("President Obama and his team of tax cheats, petty crooks, influence peddlers and Wall Street cronies")

- Liberty and Tyranny, by Mark R. Levin ("A conservative manifesto from a talk-show host and president of Landmark Legal Foundation")

- Catastrophe, by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann ("Stopping President Obama before he transforms America into a socialist state and destroys the health care system"). "

Bps wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:55 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 2:23 PM:

Wow! Those right wing nutters are really showing a lot of class. But I'm sure jr will say this is their right. "
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When Bush visited Portland, Ore. for a fundraiser in 2002, protesters stalked his motorcade, assailed his limousine and stoned a car containing his advisers.

BULLIED PASSERS-BY:

One supporter had a cup of liquid thrown into his face and then surrounded by a group of menacing protesters, including several who wore masks. Another 75 year old supporter who had multiple sclerosis and was confined to a wheelchair was blocked by a thug who threatened him.

ADVOCATING VIOLENCE:

Another protester brandished a sign that advocated Bush's assassination. The man held a large photo of Bush that had been doctored to show a gun barrel pressed against his temple.

"BUSH: WANTED, DEAD OR ALIVE," read the placard, which had an X over the word "ALIVE."

WHAT TO TALK ABOUT SWASTIKAS?

The same demonstration had a protester with a sign that said "CHRISTIAN FASCISM," with a swastika in place of the letter S in each word.

WANT MORE VIOLENCE:

Protesters slashed the tires of several state patrol cruisers and leapt onto an occupied police car, slamming the hood and blocking the windshield with placards. A female police officer was knocked to the street by advancing protesters, badly injuring her wrist.

The angry protest grew so violent that the Secret Service was forced to take the highly unusual step of using a backup route for Bush's motorcade because the primary route had been compromised by protesters, one of whom pounded his fist on the president's moving limousine.

All the while, angry demonstrators brandished signs with incendiary rhetoric, such as "9/11 - YOU LET IT HAPPEN, SHRUB," and "BUSH: BAS**RD CHILD OF THE SUPREME COURT." One sign read: "IMPEACH THE COURT-APPOINTED JUNTA AND THE FASCIST, EGOMANIACAL, BLOOD-SWILLING BEAST!"

HOW DID THE PRESS REACT:

In 2002 NONE of these signs were reported in the national media's coverage of the event.

By contrast this week the press focused extensively on over-the-top signs held by Obama critics at the president's town hall event held Tuesday in New Hampshire.

WHERE IS THE VIOLENCE COMING FROM NOW:

So far all the violence you and your cohort have been predicting has come from liberal union thugs (see the link to the video I have already posted for you). Five out of six arrested were dummy-crat union shock/support troops and the six was a reporter.

So HP, why was it that the liberal nutters who did worse things to our last crook in charge were ok with the MSM (and you???)then? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 8:57 PM:

" DON'T TREAD ON ME

VIDEO: http://tinyurl.com/lvsa5u

THE SLEEPING GIANT HAS BEEN AWAKENED! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 13, 2009 9:54 PM:

" On Sean Hannity's Fox News show Wednesday night, conservative commentator Ann Coulter said that Ezekiel Emanuel is on her "death list."

Emanuel, a medical ethicist and oncologist whose brother Rahm is the White House chief of staff, is also a senior adviser on health care to President Obama. After Hannity read a quote from Ezekiel and said it meant there would be euthanasia in the new health care bill, Coulter responded: "Totally ironically, Zeke Emanuel is on my death list. Hold the applause. I'm going to be on the death panel."

Emanuel has become a target of those who believe the unfounded, extremist myth that President Democrats support "death panels" for the elderly and disabled. They cite selective and misleading quotes from Emanuel's academic papers to suggest that he supports euthanasia. In fact, Emanuel has spent his medical career opposing euthanasia and working to increase the quality of care for dying patients.
Rachel Weiner-

Ever the moron, Ann never left any facts get in the way when it comes to attacking the Dems. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 13, 2009 11:08 PM:

" OBAMA'S "DEATH PANEL"- IN HIS OWN WORDS

OBAMA: "So that's where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that's also a huge driver of cost, right?

I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here."

DAVID LEONHARDT: "So how do you how do we deal with it?"

OBAMA: "Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And that's part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. Its not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that's part of what I suspect you'll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now."
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Obama "suspects" that the legislative process will produce some sort of independent group that can give non-determinative "guidance" on end-of-life care for the chronically ill, with an eye towards saving money.

That's a DEATH PANEL folks. Right from the horse's mouth. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:01 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 11:13 AM:
" What are the emergencies? Since you are the English police. (Someone needs to get a different hobby.)
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Well, jr, if you are actually going to try to defend your atrocious spelling, it's "there was," not "their was" and "than in," not "then in."
On another thread, you wrote that "The fact that none of the above would be considered completely sain..." The word, of course, is "sane."
I ordinarily don't point such errors out, but just let them speak to your credibility for themselves. But if you want to be taken seriously, learn to write seriously. "

You my friend have made several spelling errors in your post not to mention that "there was" and "their was" would not be considered spelling but grammar mistakes. That the words are spelled correctly. Also the same person, who was not you, whom spoke of my spelling did not even spell my name right, and in a later post had to correct him/her self. Now I know what Harry is talking about when he speaks of a stalker. If you can't win an honest debate call them names right TheQuestion. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:06 AM:

" Bps wrote on Aug 13, 2009 12:45 PM:
" Ought Oh- the liberal cadre of one will be raving and grumpy tonight.

"Look out for postings about Palin, nasty rupub-a-clown terrorist protesters and other such tripe because he will be upset by:"

Bps can you tell me the next winning lottery numbers because from the posts after yours you hit the nail on the head with that comment. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:16 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 13, 2009 4:44 PM:
" Republican screamers translated:
1. "I want my country back." Translation, I want 1950s segregation with blacks "knowing their place."

Funny since the Obamacare labor union members were the ones who attacked a black man selling merchandise. Also since it was the Southern Democrats who instituted the segregation laws of the south.
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2. "I want the government out of my life."
Translation, if it's Terry Schiavo, it's okay for government to horn in in and take over.

("horn in in and take over) You remark about my spelling and grammar.
When it comes to stopping someone from letting a person starve to death the law needs to intervene. All the government did was gave the person, in a similar situation, do process before death. I thought you were against torture, unless slow death by starvation is not torture to you.
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3. "Government health care is socialism." Translation, I want my Medicare, VA, extended Unemployment Benefits and Social Security, but the rest of you can go the blazes. "

Health care ran only by the Government and intends to run out private health care is socialism at its core. Getting rid of competition and making it so you are the only place you can go is illegal in our country. Basically the Government wants a monopoly on health care. I guess that is okay if it's from the left though. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 AM:

" Harry you are still using the Huffington Report as non-bias factual news, and then blasting Fox News. One question my friend, Do you want to be the pot or the kettle? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:26 AM:

" Experts who track hate groups across the U.S. are growing increasingly concerned over violent rhetoric targeted at President Obama, especially as the debate over health care intensifies and a pattern of threats emerges.

Contentious health care debate heightens concerns for Obama's safety.The Secret Service is investigating a Maryland man who held a sign reading "Death to Obama" and "Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids" outside a town hall meeting this week. And in New Hampshire, another man stood across the street from a Presidential town hall with his gun on full display.
ABC news-

This should come as no surprise to anyone.

Being fueled by lies, such as the now debunked death panel interpretation of end of life decisions by the right wing idiots, who seem to lack the capacity for legitimate discussion, and are now focusing on the presidents skin color, the debate goes on.

Judging from some of the stuff being said by the right wing hate mongers, it has a lot to do with the presidents race.

Thank God this site has a monitor and the disgruntled right winger isn't allowed to use the kind of rhetoric he no doubt would like to use.

I've seen some of the racist comments he uses on other sites, and it's not pretty. It must frustrate him not to be able to use the kind of language he uses on sites that allow anything to be said.

Health care reform is going to happen. The right wingers aren't going to stop it this time.

I'm looking forward to saying to the disgruntled loser who posts on this site daily, see I told you. lol! "

dc wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:56 AM:

" My biggest fear about all this is when they announce a government run plan- most companies accross this country will drop their insurance plan. Maybe I'm the only one that works for a company that is in it for the profits, but I can see this happening. When people say they want to keep what they have, I believe they won't be able to for this reason. With out my companies support, I wouldn't be able to afford my current plan. The other thing I don't like is, I'm losing my tax break. I currently don't pay income tax on the money I spend on Insurance. These are things that Obama is not bringing up and/or not considering. I wish everybody had health insurance, but not sure what the best way would be to achieve this. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Harry Potter:"The latest wave of attacks on health care reform are straight from the insurance-company "playbook," a former industry vice president told reporters at the Capitol Wednesday."

Indeed and speaking of"straight from the
insurance-company playbook", I have a handout from Congressman Johnson's office in which he quotes a statistic from the "non-partisan Lewin Group".
Yesterday I went to the Lewin Group website and here is an exact copy from that website:"The Lewin Group is part of Ingenix, Inc. which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the United Health Group." United SELLS HEALTH INSURANCE.
And Johnson wants us to believe it is "non-partisan".
Come on, Tim. You have a right to quote statistics if you like, but please don't claim they are "non-partisan" -- unless you actually are ignorant of the fact, in which case your constituents should INFORM YOU. "

father bob wrote on Aug 14, 2009 10:25 AM:

" jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 AM:

" Harry you are still using the Huffington Report as non-bias factual news, and then blasting Fox News. """""

HARRY!...how could you possibly blast the Cluster Fox entertainment network? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:17 AM:

" Most of the stuff I post from Huffington is opinion, just like most of the stuff Fox passes off as news, jr. Although a lot of the stuff they put out is from the AP. Funny that you're not offended by the right wing web sites people like the resident troll uses as his source. Oh yeah, his stuff is all pro Republican. lol!

Any idea of what kind of nonsense the moose girl will come up with today? I guarantee she'll come with more off the wall claims before the day is over. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:53 AM:

" Cognitus wrote- " Indeed and speaking of "straight from the insurance-company playbook",
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Oh and speaking of straight from the Big Pharmacy Company playbook Cogi.......could you maybe explain to all of us Un-American Protesters, this little jewel from the Left-Wing Site The Huffington Post:

HUFFINGTON POST (Aug 13 2009) A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

*It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.*
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Go ahead Cogi- unpack that fer us. Will ya. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:09 PM:

" I'm gonna stop throwing fire-bomb posts at you liberals for a minute and try to engage you all (which will most likely prove to be fruitless and degrade into name calling) because you've touched upon something that irks me and tends to be a recurrent them with you Libs.

So Cognitus, what's your point about the Lewin Group? That there's a bias?

Wow! Thanks for waking up!

It's what the right has been saying for years with the mainstream media and the groups they presents as so called "non-partisan" groups, for "thoughtful" analyzes.

I crack up when I see somebody like Chris Matthews interview somebody from the Economic Policy Institute or the Brookings Institute and he passes them off as being "non-partisan". They're often about as leftist as you can go and the general public has no idea of these groups leanings.

So as for the "Lewin Group" being biased, so what?

Johnson's a right of center republican.

Who'd you think he'd call in, MoveOn.org?

From my perspective about the only think-tanks with any credence, lacking perceptible bias, are the Cato Institute (who are libertarian but often surprise me in their analyzes), Rand Corp., and the Congressional Budgeting Office (CBO). "

even steven wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:23 PM:

" I, like 85% of Americans, am satisfied with my health care. I've been paying 100% of my insurance and health care costs for more than two decades. While I think there should be some reform to address those people who cannot currently get insurance and those who simply cannot afford it, I think the government is overstepping its authority by trying to impose socialized medicine upon a voting public that doesn't want it. The showing of common, everyday working folks at town hall meetings should be a wakeup call for House and Senate members. People don't want this socialist crap. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:29 PM:

" a Maryland man who held a sign reading "Death to Obama" and "Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids"

This should come as no surprise to anyone.
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Oh, and nothing like this ever occurred when George Bush was in office from you leftists, right?

Oh...that's right... the mainstream media didn't present that garbage did they?

Here, let me enlighten you...here's a sampling...

See:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_n-4s3wXZFKU/SSEFz7cs5fI/AAAAAAAAATg/GgdAqs-NOR4/s320/Bush_2+kill+protester.jpg

http://maroonedinmarin.blogspot.com/2007/07/bush-in-electric-chair-photo-posted-on.html

http://takeaction.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/bush-hitlerfake.jpg

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/media/BushHitlerShitAsshole.jpg

http://richmond.indymedia.org/media/all/display/3572/index.php?limit_start=582

http://www.thomasalbert.com/politics/protest/san_francisco.htm

http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/177/734/71/o_Death_Of_A_President_custom_Uk-front.jpg

http://www.merch.com/images/dbs.01.abu.jpg.jpg

http://deadup.wordpress.com/2007/02/

So STOP CLAIMING VICTIMIZATION and STOP WHINING!

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Health care reform is going to happen. The right wingers aren't going to stop it this time.
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Ah...NO it's not...at least not what's being shoveled down the public's throat right now.

Otherwise you WILL see major upheaval...guaranteed. "

The Question wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:14 PM:

" Really now, jr-- "whom spoke of my spelling" and "do process?" What's that, the opposite of "don't process?"
If you actually prefer to write in such a fashion, go right ahead. It demonstrates that you have no intellectual rigor, and explains your half-baked ideas. "

father bob wrote on Aug 14, 2009 3:32 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:09 PM:
" I'm gonna stop throwing fire-bomb posts at you liberals for a minute """""

hehehehe! you mean spitballs? "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:18 PM:

" jrhendron:"When it comes to stopping someone from letting a person starve to death the law needs to intervene. All the government did was gave the person, in a similar situation, do process before death. I thought you were against torture, unless slow death by starvation is not torture to you."

"do process" the expression is
"DUE process". No I'm not the grammar police, BUT I'm just warning you that with every illiteracy you lose credibility.....USE a DICTIONARY;
I keep one beside my computer because I want to TRY my best to avoid making an XXX of myself; and yes, I have been known to slip up.....

But the person who replied to you made
the point: the autopsy showed she was DEAD DEAD DEAD; she wasn't a "person".
If YOU are in those circumstances, do YOU REALLY want your family to come and sit by your DEAD body day after day, month after month, year after year just listening to the machines pump pump pump pump.......??????? Just remind them as you're on the way out, that they are to hook up the machine and keep you pumped up year after year.....

And she DID have DUE PROCESS; as I recall the law said she was dead and declared the end. Of course jackass Dr. Trent Lott said he had examined the movie and declared her ALIVE!!! Hallelujah!! Jump up and Walk!!! Of course he became a fool when the results of the autopsy were made public. "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:27 PM:

" Neo Con:"analyzes"

I have only a Webster's Collegiate Dictionary and a World Book 2-volume dictionary, and it's not in either.
Guess I'm going to have to buy an OED to keep up with you.

You and jrhendron might just get by with buying ONE and sharing it.... "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:45 PM:

" just wondering wrote on Aug 13, 2009 1:12 PM:
" Cog, I am not sure I believe the numbers you have quoted. I know the ones I have seen sure don't cut that much off the charged price. "

Just Wondering: Yes, I don't pay much attention to them and when I got down to details, I too was surprised by the reduction of the largest bill. But as I said, I was looking at the statement as I wrote. I may make mistakes, but I do not lie. If you want to give me your email address, I'll scan it and email a copy to you. [Before making this offer, I've double-checked and I did not make a typo; the numbers ARE real. So your email, please, and you'll have a copy immediately after I see it online.] "

Bps wrote on Aug 14, 2009 6:23 PM:

" jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:06 AM:
" Bps wrote on Aug 13, 2009 12:45 PM:
" Ought Oh- the liberal cadre of one will be raving and grumpy tonight.

"Look out for postings about Palin, nasty rupub-a-clown terrorist protesters and other such tripe because he will be upset by:"

Bps can you tell me the next winning lottery numbers because from the posts after yours you hit the nail on the head with that comment. "
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Wish I could but unfortunately the lottery is truly random unlike our friends responses.

After the first week or so of watching his posts most new posters see his pattern and game pretty quickly.

He has modified his style since last January but the base pattern still shines through when he is flustered.

It is always a safe bet to expect Fox news, Palin or those rascally repub-a-clowns coming up fairly regularly.

You know when you have really struck a nerve when he goes on a rant and accuses you of being Doh, BDD, or another other of his set of hated (feared?) posters names.

When your facts have him stumped he goes on personal attacks, throws in the fox, Palin, etc. diversions or just sulks and wont answer your questions.

Usually it is just like watching a clock run. Thus why my prediction was correct, he had to follow his natural pattern.

He is worth reading because once in a great while he actually posts something worth researching if you can get by the liberal bias.

I tend to play his little multiple personality/posts game straight up because it usually gives you more chances to present your points against his three of four posts.

He sure seems to have lots-o-fun on this site. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 7:51 PM:

" I really don't understand why the Republicans on here get their panties in a wad over the Palin comments from the left. Obama is the head of the Democratic party, and therefore gets all the flak for his party. That's the way it should be. Palin, for all practical purposes appears to be the head of the GOP, so why isn't she fair game?

Is it let's go after Obama, but leave poor little Sarah out of it? Sarah puts herself in the limelight daily, so it's not like she an innocent bystander. I would remind you that the last time I saw any numbers on this issue, 75 percent of the GOP said they though she was ready to be president, and when she speaks even self serving GOP veterans like Newt Gingrich and Chuck Grassley fall in line.

So all of you disgruntled soreheads on the losing side need to get used to it, Palin is and will continue to be a focus on here, and all your whining won't stop that. Besides that, she puts her foot in her mouth daily, and it's hard to resist pointing out her ignorance on most matters that she know literally nothing about.

If the next presidential primaries were tomorrow Palin would no doubt be at the top of most Republicans list, so what are you going to say when that happens? Leave our poor little Sarah out of it? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:01 PM:

" Time Magazine's Amy Sullivan pointed out last night that, for all of his ardent demagoguery on the so-called "death panels," Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) voted for just such a provision in 2003.

Remember the 2003 Medicare prescription drug bill, the one that passed with the votes of 204 GOP House members and 42 GOP Senators? Anyone want to guess what it provided funding for? Did you say counseling for end-of-life issues and care? Ding ding ding!!

So either Republicans were for death panels in 2003 before turning against them now--or they're lying about end-of-life counseling in order to frighten the bejeezus out of their fellow citizens and defeat health reform by any means necessary. Which is it, Mr. Grassley

Oh my, another lying Republicans gets called out. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:13 PM:

" Good grief, so now the Cluster Fox news outlet is questioning the legitimacy of those asking questions at the Obama talks. Wow! With apologies to my friend, jrhendren, I seem to recall a certain president not too long ago who only spoke to hand picked crowds who were required to sign loyalty oaths before even being allowed in the hall. Really, this is too much. lol! "

what? wrote on Aug 14, 2009 10:27 PM:

" sarah palin is my hero yur darn tootin and you betcha who needs a brain just look at the bind they've put us in now. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Aug 14, 2009 10:34 PM:

" I have only a Webster's Collegiate Dictionary and a World Book 2-volume dictionary, and it's not in either.
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Oh pleez...do I have to spell check everything for you, Cognitus?

Obviously you have nothing of significance to rebut.

I do wonder though, did you frivolously criticize like this when you were teaching students how to play the kazoo? "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:27 PM:

" father bob wrote on Aug 14, 2009 10:25 AM:
" jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 AM:

" Harry you are still using the Huffington Report as non-bias factual news, and then blasting Fox News. """""

HARRY!...how could you possibly blast the Cluster Fox entertainment network? "

Once again bob misses the point completely. What a shock. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:33 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:17 AM:
" Most of the stuff I post from Huffington is opinion, just like most of the stuff Fox passes off as news, jr. Although a lot of the stuff they put out is from the AP. Funny that you're not offended by the right wing web sites people like the resident troll uses as his source. Oh yeah, his stuff is all pro Republican. lol!

I was not talking of someone else but of you. I do not cite Fox because yes they lean right, just as MSNBC and CNN lean left. That was my point, you mouth off about someone using a bias News agency then do the same. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black.
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Any idea of what kind of nonsense the moose girl will come up with today? I guarantee she'll come with more off the wall claims before the day is over. "

Maybe she will call people who protest her to loud Un-American, no wait Pelosi already did that. I know she can through a temper tantrum during a question, in a foreign country, where an interpreter accidentally mentioned her husbands name instead of the president. No wait our Sec. Of State Hilliary already did that. Oh wait they are democrats sorry that never happened. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 14, 2009 11:53 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 14, 2009 1:14 PM:
" Really now, jr-- "whom spoke of my spelling" and "do process?" What's that, the opposite of "don't process?"
If you actually prefer to write in such a fashion, go right ahead. It demonstrates that you have no intellectual rigor, and explains your half-baked ideas. "

Look everyone it's the Liberal, "If you can not beat someone in a factual debate try and ridicule them." play. Every time come up with a talking point the facts prove you wrong so you leave it and go to another talking point. Look at the anthrax letters and you saying it was made under the "Bush Pentagon". I showed you that it was made while Clinton was in office. You mouthed off about WMD's so I showed you three different proofs of WMD found, and that Clinton said they were there. You spoke of the Republicans wanting segregation so I had to show you who started the segregation laws of old and not so old. Also who it was that beat the black man at a town hall meeting. I could go on and on about how me and others hit you with facts. Think is it does not matter. You are on the extreme left that says, "Everything in America is the Republicans fault. The Democrats do nothing wrong, and we will rewrite history if we have to." It was the Democrat party who said, "What someone does in the bedroom is private and character does not matter." when Clinton got caught with his pants down. When a Republican gets caught then it matters. Same book two ending in your eyes. Keep it up you are doing the extreme left proud. Remember the extreme left motto, "Ignore it and it did not happen, deny it and it did not happen, and accusation are fact, unless they are about us." "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:23 AM:

" Cognitus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:18 PM:
" jrhendron:"When it comes to stopping someone from letting a person starve to death the law needs to intervene. All the government did was gave the person, in a similar situation, do process before death. I thought you were against torture, unless slow death by starvation is not torture to you."

Once again it is hendren.

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"do process" the expression is
"DUE process". No I'm not the grammar police, BUT I'm just warning you that with every illiteracy you lose credibility.....USE a DICTIONARY;
I keep one beside my computer because I want to TRY my best to avoid making an XXX of myself; and yes, I have been known to slip up.....

Anytime someone wants to go head to head on an English test we can. Most of my posts are at 11pm and 12am so I am bound to slip. The same ones who mouth off do the same, just we are not that anal about their spelling and grammar. I mean you yourself can not even get my name correct.
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But the person who replied to you made
the point: the autopsy showed she was DEAD DEAD DEAD; she wasn't a "person".

The autopsy showed that she was not abused and that she died of dehydration, or that she was left to die with no water. One of the worst ways to die for a person. She was a person.
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If YOU are in those circumstances, do YOU REALLY want your family to come and sit by your DEAD body day after day, month after month, year after year just listening to the machines pump pump pump pump.......???????

She was on a feeding tube not a heart monitor, nor a breathing machine. Not to mention until the autopsy no one knew if she could come out of the state, as others have.
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Just remind them as you're on the way out, that they are to hook up the machine and keep you pumped up year after year.....

Hey under Obamacare we might not have to worry about that choice anyways. Had to throw that in. Their have been case after case of people making partial and even full recoveries. I guess they should have been put to death before they had a chance though.
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And she DID have DUE PROCESS; as I recall the law said she was dead and declared the end. Of course jackass Dr. Trent Lott said he had examined the movie and declared her ALIVE!!! Hallelujah!! Jump up and Walk!!! Of course he became a fool when the results of the autopsy were made public. "

Due process, lets see. The case was not decided by a jury, their was no evidence that she wanted to be put to death if in that state, and therefore her Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment rights were violated, since she was deprived of life. Not to mention that the families request were denied without even hearing the motions filed. That is not due process of law. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:24 AM:

" Cognitus wrote on Aug 14, 2009 5:27 PM:
" Neo Con:"analyzes"

I have only a Webster's Collegiate Dictionary and a World Book 2-volume dictionary, and it's not in either.
Guess I'm going to have to buy an OED to keep up with you.

You and jrhendron might just get by with buying ONE and sharing it.... "

You would think someone who mouths off about spelling could spell a name right. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:31 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 7:51 PM:
" I really don't understand why the Republicans on here get their panties in a wad over the Palin comments from the left..."

It's not the fact you and the left comment it's the lack of class and respect you show. I have never been disrespectful toward President Obama no matter if I like his politics or not. The total disrespect of anyone who does not agree with you is what people see as a lack of intelligence. Tell me how calling a woman "moose lady" and the other names you use as intelligent and credible. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:34 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 14, 2009 8:13 PM:
" Good grief, so now the Cluster Fox news outlet is questioning the legitimacy of those asking questions at the Obama talks. Wow! With apologies to my friend, jrhendren, I seem to recall a certain president not too long ago who only spoke to hand picked crowds who were required to sign loyalty oaths before even being allowed in the hall. Really, this is too much. lol! "

Oh know you mean I've been right all along that both sides do it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 6:11 AM:

" Six lobbyists for every lawmaker

No fewer 3,300 lobbyists have signed up to influence health care reform, Bloomberg reports.

That's six lobbyists for each of the 535 members of the House and Senate, according to Senate records, and three times the number of people registered to lobby on defense. More than 1,500 organizations have health-care lobbyists, and about three more are signing up each day. Every one of the 10 biggest lobbying firms by revenue is involved in an effort that could affect 17 percent of the U.S. economy.
"The sheer quantity of money that's sloshed around Washington is drowning out the voices of citizens and the groups that speak up for them," said Larry McNeely of U.S. Public Interest Research Group.
Rachel Weiner-

Hmmmm...I Wonder whose interests those those lobbyists are looking out for? "

The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 10:01 AM:

" Obviously, we need some reverse Jim Crow laws in this country. When they come to the polls, ask the old white people whether the Social Security and Medicare programs that keep them alive are run by the federal government.
If they're stupid enough to answer "No," throw them back out into the street. "

The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 10:08 AM:

" Now right-wing opponents of health care reform have found a new threat: home nurse visits to low-income parents. "We are setting up a situation where Obama will be invading parent's (sic) homes and taking away their children," a columnist warned on RightWingNews.com.
Yes, those home nurses also come equipped with strangling wires hidden in their wristwatches, I believe. Watch out, right wingers! Watch out!!! "

The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 10:40 AM:

" "Disrespect?" There is nothing in Palin TO respect. She is nothing, not even a lame-brained. motor-mouthed governor anymore. Any "respect" paid to Palin is a screaming insult to all the people in the world who are even minimally competent, educated and intelligent. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 11:15 AM:

" Oh know you mean I've been right all along that both sides do it. "

No jr, Obama opens his talks to everyone, unlike Bush who would only speak to friendly crowds.

And hey, is it OK if I mention Sarah on the Sarah letter thread? lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 12:11 PM:

" Here's a list of the most important right wingers, according to a recent poll of conservatives. Got the from a right wing site (thanks for the link TQ)

23) John Stossel 4
23) Mitt Romney 4
23) Daniel Hannan 4
23) John Bolton 4
16) Fred Thompson 5
16) Antonin Scalia 5
16) Glenn Reynolds 5
16) Bobby Jindal 5
16) George W. Bush 5
16) Sean Hannity 5
16) Tom Coburn 5
14) Victor Davis Hanson 6
14) Dick Cheney 6
12) Ed Morrissey 7
12) Ann Coulter 7
10) Jonah Goldberg 8
10) Newt Gingrich 8
9) Jim DeMint 9
7) Mark Levin 10
7) Glenn Beck 10
6) Charles Krauthammer 11
5) Mark Steyn 14
4) Michelle Malkin 15
3) Thomas Sowell 17
2) Sarah Palin 20
1) Rush Limbaugh 24

Holy cow! No wonder so many people consider the Republican party a joke. lol! "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 2:04 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 10:01 AM:
" Obviously, we need some reverse Jim Crow laws in this country. When they come to the polls, ask the old white people whether the Social Security and Medicare programs that keep them alive are run by the federal government.
If they're stupid enough to answer "No," throw them back out into the street. "

Remember folks it is the left that care more about everyone. Except sounds like theQuestion wants segregation back, and thanks the elderly are useless if they don't it all. Yep caring at it's best here. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 2:10 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 10:08 AM:
" Now right-wing opponents of health care reform have found a new threat: home nurse visits to low-income parents. "We are setting up a situation where Obama will be invading parent's (sic) homes and taking away their children," a columnist warned on RightWingNews.com.
Yes, those home nurses also come equipped with strangling wires hidden in their wristwatches, I believe. Watch out, right wingers! Watch out!!! "

ROFLAO!!!! "Fox News is bias and full of nutballs, but we can quote bias blog cites and extreme cites and that is okay." LOL!!!! Thanks for the laugh. Keep quoting the extremes just shows your fears and lack of being able to debate in a factual debate. "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 15, 2009 2:14 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 6:11 AM:
" Six lobbyists for every lawmaker

No fewer 3,300 lobbyists have signed up to influence health care reform, Bloomberg reports.

That's six lobbyists for each of the 535 members of the House and Senate, according to Senate records, and three times the number of people registered to lobby on defense. More than 1,500 organizations have health-care lobbyists, and about three more are signing up each day. Every one of the 10 biggest lobbying firms by revenue is involved in an effort that could affect 17 percent of the U.S. economy.
"The sheer quantity of money that's sloshed around Washington is drowning out the voices of citizens and the groups that speak up for them," said Larry McNeely of U.S. Public Interest Research Group.
Rachel Weiner-

Hmmmm...I Wonder whose interests those those lobbyists are looking out for? "

Same as always, their own. No matter if they are for the views of the right or left. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 4:45 PM:

" Same as always, their own. No matter if they are for the views of the right or left. "

When it comes to health care lobbyists, I'm betting most of them represent the right, jr. After all the right has aligned itself with the the insurance companies and the health care industry against any kind of meaningful reform. Yes, there are lobbyists trying to influence our elected officials who represent the average citizens, but compared to the number hired by the health care related industries, I would guess those numbers are pretty small.

Having said that, I will concede that our politicians, on both side, are bought and paid for. Especially on the right side (you know I had to say that). lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:00 PM:

" ROFLAO!!!! "Fox News is bias and full of nutballs...

Glad to see you're coming around on that one, jr. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:29 PM:

" Harry Potter - " Hmmmm...I Wonder whose interests those those lobbyists are looking out for? "
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Why don't you just ask Obama, Harry?

Didn't he just strike an enormously shady price-fixing deal with the Big Pharmacy Lobbyists? Hmmmm?

Oh and, during the campaign didn't the vast majority of Big Health-Care donations go to Mr Bulls#!t himself (Barry Hussein Obama)? Hmmmm?

(Harry Potter thinks to himself - "Well yes 7x....that's all true. You've nailed me again, as usual, you #*$%^**! Golly, *groan* I wish I weren't such a hypocritical little troll." ....*sniff *sniff....whimper) "

The Question wrote on Aug 15, 2009 6:17 PM:

" Reporter Rick Perlstein noted that in the early 1950s, Republicans referred to the presidencies of Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman as "20 years of treason" and accused the men who led the fight against fascism of deliberately surrendering the free world to communism.
American, he said, is a place "...where the crazy tree blooms in every moment of liberal ascendancy, and where elites exploit the crazy for their own narrow interests." "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 3:52 PM:

" NYT SHOCKER: HEALTH DEBATE FAILS TO IGNITE OBAMA'S GRASS ROOTS

NYT (Aug 15 2009) "Its a waste of time," said Gilbert P. Sierra of Davenport, a Democrat who attended an Organizing for America meeting, where about 100 people gathered to vent frustrations and discuss how they could stand up to conservative critics. "Why spend money on this and only be talking to the choir?"
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This tells you all you need to know about the Democrats dismal failure on ObamaCare. They have convinced themselves that the opposition is restricted only to those evil "conservatives" (read that Republicans) when in truth, it cuts across party lines to include the majority of independents and a sizable portion of Democrats. In other words; most of America. This is what koolade-drinking mass delusion looks like folks. The Left has spun lies for so long that they're actually starting to believe their own crap. And it only took them 7 months on their power-lust crazy-train joy ride to drive their screwball party deep into the smelly swirl of the political toilet. Way to misread those tealeaves, you out of touch wackos. Well played nutroots. Well played. Now gird your loins for the next two election cycles, libtardies. Because the coming paybacks are going to be a b!*ch, don'tcha know. lol "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 4:08 PM:

" OBAMA CRIES- "NO MAS NO MAS!" MAY DROP PUBLIC OPTION FROM HIS HEALTH CARE PLANS

AP (Aug 16 2009) Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan. Such a concession probably would enrage Obama's liberal supporters but could deliver a much-needed victory on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.
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Obama's numbers continue to plummet. And in the end, this platitude spewing non-stop BS-er of a "president" is really just wanting something to point to and say "Uhm, I...uh... overhauled ...uhm... health care."

But don't buy for a moment that these State-ist Democrats are through folks. They will surely try an end run around us. The "public option" can go right back into the final version of any health care bill during the reconciliation of the House and Senate versions. And I guarantee you; this power-mad out of control Democrat Party will attempt just that. Bank on it. "

Bps wrote on Aug 16, 2009 4:55 PM:

" Ought-Oh did they just blink again?

Last week they blinked by removing the offensive mandatory end of life counseling from the senate bills.

Now this:

In June Obama said-

I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans

This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest.

With public opinion rising in a tidal wave against him and his plan, now he does the Chicago Two Step and Shuffle-

White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

President Barack Obama's administration signaled Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/lptzme

Know what I think- all those nasty town hall and tea party folks that the dummy-crats have villainized scared the bejeebers out of them when they just kept coming and growing in strength.

Want to bet that the congressmen went screaming and demanded a change from their real plan.

I think they are very, very scared they really might have awakened the giant.

But I suspect that this is just a little delay in their takeover plans and that Congress will pass some kind of watered down health care bill to placate those nasty demonstrators with the sole objective to get the bureaucracy in place.

Yep, let those nasty, silent majority folks calm down, go back to sleep and buy some time to consolidate power.

Then as the frog gets comfortable again in the nice warm pot of water, they will turn the heat up slowly; by adding amendment after amendment until eventually they get the real socialist program in place that they want. "

The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 5:37 PM:

" "It may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: 'Sit down and shut up,' but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out." -- Sarah Palin, announcing her resignation as governor, July 3, 2009, and explaining that actually doing the job you were elected to do is the action of a "quitter," while quitting the job you were elected to do somehow qualifies as heroic perseverance. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:22 PM:

" Looks like paranoia is taking over the disgruntled losers thinking. lol!. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 6:30 PM:

" RETREAT! DEMS ABANDONING LEADERSHIP ADVICE

THE HILL (Aug 15 2009) An August in which Democrats were supposed to return home to sell the merits of a universal healthcare plan has turned into one where members are publicly fending for themselves.

Some have even shunned the talking points and tactics their leaders encouraged them to use to gin up support for the Democratic healthcare bill as theyve engaged with sometimes hostile constituents.
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Oh how the mighty have fallen!

Democrats are beginning to openly oppose their Empty-Suit BS-er Boy King.

Have you noticed, folks? Slamming Obambi has actually become "cool". Good luck getting THAT Genie back in the bottle, Libtards.

*snicker*

*giggle*

tee hee hee "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 16, 2009 7:04 PM:

" Looks like Harry Potter's drinking beer and blogging again.

What's the worst that can happen? He'll destroy the few gray cells he has left and make even LESS sense?

...is that even possible at this point?

LOL! "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:24 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Aug 15, 2009 5:00 PM:
" ROFLAO!!!! "Fox News is bias and full of nutballs...

Glad to see you're coming around on that one, jr. lol! "

Twisting someones words again Harry. You sure you do not work for ABC? "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 18, 2009 12:31 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 16, 2009 5:37 PM:
" "It may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: 'Sit down and shut up,' but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out." -- Sarah Palin, announcing her resignation as governor, July 3, 2009, and explaining that actually doing the job you were elected to do is the action of a "quitter," while quitting the job you were elected to do somehow qualifies as heroic perseverance. "

Life is too short to compromise time and resources... it may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: "Sit down and shut up", but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out. And a problem in our country today is apathy. It would be apathetic to just hunker down and "go with the flow"." Palin resignation speech, in context unlike the Questions version.

She should have done like you and followed. Run Lemming run! Of course if she is setting herself up for a presidential run, then that is not really quitting but just getting started. Oh well never mind facts. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Aug 24, 2009 9:01 PM:

" For one wrong. Social Security itself as a program wasn't implemented until 1942. The last part of the great depression. Two do you have another plan for those that have worked all their lives but without any money left over to save a large retirement fund. Two, also all I have heard from the right and far right is complaining. I haven't heard a good grounded plan to fix the health care problem. So again not to defend the dems, but please those on the right find another plan that isn't the same old free market, capitalist ideals? "