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Friday, July 31, 2009 11:02 PM CDT
LETTER: Top Bagelfest bands should be country

MR. AND MRS. MIKE HARMON, Louisville

This is in reference to “Aunt objects to band’s behavior at Bagelfest.” My husband and I totally agree. We also saw the show and paid for it. We saw kids being shoved by adults drinking.

“Entertainment” like Zac Brown Band is not country. We feel the music was very much reggae/pop rock/soul than country. When ordering our tickets, we were told, “great country music.”

We also spent $75 and left before the only song we wanted to hear, “Chicken Fried.” Too bad that “Bagelfest” has changed. We traveled 45 minutes each way and have for several years, but after this disappointment, unless “Bagelfest” changes, we will not continue.

We bought these tickets three months ahead. I feel the tourism committee needs to give the public a chance to vote on entertainment. For example three choices of country music.

Maybe have a phone line like one for Rodney Atkins, two for Ashton Sheppard or even three for Wade Hayes. Maybe have it so no one has to answer the phone, just call in and say “one,” “two” or “three” and take the top choice for the night of “country music.”

The night before was the Neville Band out of Chicago. We feel the next night should continue to be country.

In the past, we saw Steve Warner, Tracy Byrd (two times), Gary Allen. At the park Josh Turner, Blake Shelton, Oak Ridge Boys, Roy Clark, to name a few.

We agree the “tourism committee” needs to consider to keep Bagelfest clean and family geared. Or maybe not have this event at all.

MR. AND MRS. MIKE HARMON

Louisville

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kahamaco wrote on Aug 1, 2009 9:10 AM:

" Seriously?! Here we go again! Haha!

I guess since a some people weren 't happy, we should cave and bend to their every wim. What would you have done if the community did vote for The Zac Brown Band? Would you still be complaining? I would guess probably so.

Just as with Ms. Bean, how much did you know about the band? I'm guessing not much. Quit complaining about your loss of money, and disappointing time, if you didn't know what you were getting yourself into. It must be nice to be able to find someone else to blame every time something doesn't go your way, or you don't like the way something turns out. It must be really nice to not have to take responsibility for your own actions! "

kamfong wrote on Aug 1, 2009 1:48 PM:

" Mattoon has tons of good musical talent,too bad some them old boys can't put something together.Anybody remember Zippy & The Slicktones? "

unknownjoe wrote on Aug 1, 2009 9:19 PM:

" But did you get a bagel? Whiney Whiney Whine Whine Whine. Don't you really have more important issues in your life other than the music at bagelfest. "

father bob wrote on Aug 2, 2009 8:00 AM:

" top bagelfest bands should be zydeco.. "

pj1983 wrote on Aug 2, 2009 9:14 AM:

" ah, tracy byrd, the singer of such great family country songs like "baby put your clothes on", "how'd we end up in jamaica", "Watermelon Crawl" and my personal favorites "drinkin bone" and "10 rounds with Jose cuervo"

the zac brown band IS country! the committee picked one of the hottest bands out there right now. that's like saying that kenny chesney isn't country because he sings about the islands now and has a caribbean sound to him. people around here are LUCKY to get to go to a concert of this caliber...and for such a great price!! "

medic57 wrote on Aug 2, 2009 11:33 AM:

" Reminds me of when Windsor had that great country band "Exile" at the Harvest Picnik. Yeah, right, like "I wanna Kiss you all over was country hit" It's the same everywhere. "

just wondering wrote on Aug 2, 2009 1:41 PM:

" No it doesn't have to be country. It's not the type of music, because there are some country acts just as bad. Need some good old rock and roll. "

Danny Boy wrote on Aug 2, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Alot of people like half Country, and half Rap, we call it..."Crap" "

father bob wrote on Aug 2, 2009 6:35 PM:

" Danny Boy wrote on Aug 2, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Alot of people like half Country, and half Rap, we call it..."Crap" """"""

i'm voting that yhe bst comment of the day!~!! "

father bob wrote on Aug 2, 2009 6:35 PM:

" Danny Boy wrote on Aug 2, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Alot of people like half Country, and half Rap, we call it..."Crap" """"""

i'm voting that yhe bst comment of the day!~!!

okay....crap....i can't spell "

kimmey wrote on Aug 2, 2009 9:02 PM:

" Is this the first you ever been dissapointed ! Not everyone can be pleased. I'm not going again, sounds like a 6 yr old !!!!!!! "

Mattooner at Heart wrote on Aug 2, 2009 9:32 PM:

" Remember Zippy & The Slicktones? Heck, you're all a bunch of KIDS! I remember the Artistics . . . Sound, Inc. . . . the Shades of Blue . . . REAL bands!!! "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 2, 2009 9:56 PM:

" Yeah pj1983, Tracy Byrd's "novelty" songs are just that. Novelties. Fun. A little risque maybe but not down and dirty.It's too bad he doesn't come out with more good stuff though. With a voice and range like he's been blessed with why he's putting out just stuff like you mentioned is beyond me. It's ok once in awhile, but for crying out loud Tracy, record something that's really good! "Keeper Of The Stars" was magnificent! Just another's singer's thoughts. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 2, 2009 10:03 PM:

" Hey fb! I like zydeco! Great stuff!

I wish "Celebration" at Eastern would get Dr John. All he needs is a piano and a sound system. He can do it all with just the piano! I swear he makes use of all 88 keys! Fabulous!

He makes me want to dump my keyboad down the nearest hill in frustration when I listen to him and marvel at what he can do! "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 2, 2009 10:14 PM:

" We have one of the best Country bands around right here in Coles County. The great Sawyer Brothers Band! They know their way around rock too! They do great ZZ Top stuff, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Delbert McClinton just to name a few. Also they can play just about anything per request and do it well! Shoot! I heard them pull "Spooky" out of the hat awhile back and they hadn't played it in about 20 years they said. They NAILED it! These guys are versatile and inventive! I love the way they take an old song, tweak it and come up with their own version of it! Fabulous musicians! "

DonnaJo wrote on Aug 3, 2009 2:37 AM:

" I want to know why the public attacks and making things so personal? I want to know why you are coming after me and Mr. and Mrs. Harmon? I thought we lived in the USA where we can all agree to disagree voice our opinions without being judged.
My opinion was the band had no business on the main stage. They belonged in the beer tent. And if you hire someone without setting guidelines or rules you are gonna get burned. I want them to stand up and say ok fine they did cuss not stand behind the words being non cuss words! I want them to take the blame for the entertainment that forced us to leave before my nieces heard song. Is that too much to ask? "

The Question wrote on Aug 3, 2009 4:07 AM:

" That's right. Because you just can't have too many lowlife songs about divorce, adultery and alcoholism. "

Raider65 wrote on Aug 3, 2009 5:34 AM:

" I quit going when they moved it to Peterson Park. I enjoyed the breakfast down Broadway. I liked the Carneys, the games, the food. It seemed like tradition ended when it moved. "

Hammbone wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:02 AM:

" Blah blah blah.who wants to hear cring in your beer ,cheatin on your ole lady music, country toad music is boring
Rock and roll !!!!! for ever
Take your broken heart and stuff it "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 3, 2009 9:12 AM:

" Why not get Captain Rat and the Blind Rivets?? They are much the superior band anywhere around here. They have something for everyone. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 3, 2009 9:14 AM:

" I am not into country music but thought the Oak Ridge Boys was great. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Aug 3, 2009 10:09 AM:

" * the questions musik is pristeen profeser nerdy clasicol crap * "

Cognitus wrote on Aug 3, 2009 10:24 AM:

" My ***, we ARE in SOUTHERN Illinois.
Actually, a little Mozart would be nice to calm down the excitement on this subject. "

yocsmotel wrote on Aug 3, 2009 10:39 AM:

" Yes, be very careful in picking the band. It should be one President Eisenhower would approve of. "

Danny Boy wrote on Aug 3, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Hammbone, you know it ain't country unless they sing about Momma, Trains, and Prison.....LOL "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 3, 2009 12:49 PM:

" You forgot trucks Danny Boy. LOL! "

AnnaNiemaus wrote on Aug 3, 2009 1:49 PM:

" and gettin' drunk! *singing in my head*

Billie, good call on the Sawyer Brothers! "

LargeFarva wrote on Aug 3, 2009 1:57 PM:

" I hate to break it to those who say the Zac Brown Band isnt country, but if youll take at look at the country chart, youll see their album at #2. And if you look back, youll see that Chickenfried, and Whatever It Is were on the country chart, as singles. And that their new single, Toes also happens to land on the country chart. Not to mention the fact that about 6,500 county fans filled Grimes Field to see them perform.

County is not what it was, but thats okay, because if you look around, thats the norm. Do you still see tv shows like Father Knows Best? No. NOTHING is as it was. I used to play Pong on an Atari video game and thought it was the greatest thing ever. Now, my kids are playing video games that look like real life.

Perhaps Brad Paisleys new song will shed some light on our present situation. Its called Welcome to the Future. In it, he talks about his grandpa writing letters to his grandma while stationed overseas. And today, he (Brad) had a video chat with a company in Tokyo. We ARE here, whether you are ready or not. Things change, and we have to deal with it. Not to say you have to change who you are, but as a business owner, I know that you have to change the way you operate in order to appeal to the masses. Where was twitter last year? Who would have ever thought that reality shows would dominate your television?

As far as the voting on Bagelfest entertainment is considered, thats okay to an extent. However, Im pretty sure they work on a budget, and most people would probably vote on big name acts that tourism couldnt afford without raising prices. And honestly, Wade Hayes? He hasnt had a hit in 15 years, and only had about two that I even remember. If we could free him from his shift at Wal-Mart, Ill bet hed do it for $50!! Also, Ashton Sheppard was here last year, for what its worth.

Regarding your $75.00 that was wasted, Im wondering what you would have spent to see the Zac Brown Band at a place like Assembly Hall. They would have been opening act for a top name performer, and cheap seats would have been about $50.00 each. Consider how the Bagelfest people keep the prices down before you cast stones. And besides, you know Chickenfied is the top song, and if youve ever been to a concert I assume since youre such an expert on music that you have you know WHEN THEY DO THEIR BIGGEST HIT!

Now, Donnas turn

You made things personal, so deal with the letters. You opened yourself up to being judged, so either handle it or crawl back into your little hole never to be heard from again. Yes, you do live in the USA, and youre free to voice your opinion I would never deny you that, but to say the band had no business on the main stage is ridiculous. Again, I go back to the thousands of people who came to the show, and the hundreds who stuck around to get pictures and autographs who felt that they DID belong. It was, by far, the biggest crowd ever at Bagelfest. Have you even listened to their album? I assume since your nieces are big fans, you have. The words on stage were no different that the words on their album. And furthermore, as a responsible aunt you must know that some of the most popular country songs deal with cheating and drinking. So I ask you: Whats worse, hearing those, or letting them hear a** and son of a b****?
I would rather they call someone an s-o-b than to cheat on their spouse when they grow up and get married. Just my 2 cents.

As an attendee at the show, I must say that these were some of the greatest players Ive ever heard, and Ive heard MANY. You just have to get past the words and soak up the experience. Your nieces have heard worse, Im sure. I commend the tourism committee on their choice. Like I said earlier things are not like they used to be, and we have to come to terms with that. Have you heard Tim McGraws song, Things Change? Might want to listen to it.

Remember, Change is the only constant. "

devilishangel61401 wrote on Aug 3, 2009 2:07 PM:

" The only thing is not everyone likes country music. The only country I really listen to is "crossover country" the type they play on the top 40 stations such as Taylor Swift. If we have a ballot with 3 choices then lets allow there to be 3 types of music there are more genres than country. There is bluegrass, r&b, rock, classic rock, motown type music, 50's/60's music top 40, pop, etc etc...

Why not give our local bands a chance to shine?? I know there are lots of area bands that are wonderfully talented. I must say I do like the ballot idea though that way the public gets a chance to vote on who the band is. ( though I'm sure someone will still complain) Maybe even just to ensure that everyone can attend we have a "children's performer" during the day and the music for the adults at night. Just to be diplomatic. "

croberts wrote on Aug 3, 2009 3:07 PM:

" Zippy and the Slicktones....Zippy is now working for the railroad all the live long day. His twins are almost driving age....I loved Zippy and the Slicktones...especially Zippy!!!!! "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 3, 2009 3:24 PM:

" You know folks, there's all kinds of "country music" from bluegrass, tradtional country, county rock and today's country. There's enough variety to satisfy everyone. Personally I don't care much for some of the "new sounds" and artists, but that's just my personal taste. I do however like some of it.

My feeling is a steel guitar or fiddle lick "thrown in" does not a "country song make". This attempt to validate it as country falls short in my book. That's not to say some of the music isn't good, I just feel it's "LA" not Nashville. I feel there are too many "cookie cutter" types being hyped. I prefer someone with a unique sound, one who is easily recognizable the second a sound comes out of their mouths.

I really don't see why the main stage act ALWAYS has to be country. I like Rock too. I don't see why some good old R @ R couldn't be featured.

If we would look in just a fifty mile radius from Charleston or Mattoon, we would see an amazing array of talented performers.Our "own" Jackie Lawson is one of them. That young lady can sing anything! This area is RICH with talent! All kinds of music is represented. I always say we've got it covered from Bach to Bluegrass!

I like a bunch of different kinds of music. Big Bands, jazz, country, blues, classical just to name a few. Oh yeah, barbershop too! :-) It's fun to sing! While some of these genre's might not appeal to everyone and they are definatly not what Baglefest is looking for, there are plenty of good groups and solo acts that would fill the bill.

I just saw Lyle Lovett at the Rosebud a couple of weeks ago and he was dyn-o-mite! Lyle would probably be too expensive to bring to Bagelfest though.

Not everyone is going to be happy no matter who is on the stage. Suck it up and wait until there's someone YOU want to see and then go. If you don't like who's going to be there, don't go.

By the way, I like the Zac Brown band. "

kamfong wrote on Aug 3, 2009 4:00 PM:

" croberts,I'll never forget S.E. spinning around on stage while blowin his harp,his shirt-tale flipped up and low and behold,pearl handled 45 small of his back.LOL Wish they would play again.Hellava blues man. :) "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 3, 2009 4:25 PM:

" kamfong-- LOL at your S.E.story. He may have brought that little "gem" out to our place in the country several years ago to blast away at targets. :-)All of us were practicing that day.

He's a first class dude! Jammed with him many times. He used to bring his rig when he was in town and play gigs with us. He was always a welcomed addition every time. "

cuteandspicy wrote on Aug 3, 2009 4:51 PM:

" It is our opinion and everyone has the right to their opinion. People bagelfast is over but Ashton Sheppard was here last yr and we saw her, just a example. This yr she is in (Altamont) fair or Effingham, Il. People remember this is the united states of America, we can have again our opinion so get over it and let life go on. No matter where a person lives that also is not important. As fas far as the country stars, I could name and name the ones that we have seen, so what?????? Let life go on and do something useful. Our gals are none of your business at all, get a life! Mr and Mrs Mike Harmon "

kamfong wrote on Aug 3, 2009 4:55 PM:

" Billie,never a dull moment huh? Man the good ole days...... "

Texas T wrote on Aug 3, 2009 5:03 PM:

" I vote for the Sawyer Brothers Band opening for Delbert McClinton. Woo Hoo!!! I'll be on the next plane for that show. Oh, and let Leanne Foster have a song or two. "

61912 wrote on Aug 3, 2009 5:18 PM:

" Billie...how's about some Night Train? ;-) "

PumpkinSeed wrote on Aug 3, 2009 5:56 PM:

" "You opened yourself up to being judged, so either handle it or crawl back into your little hole never to be heard from again"

Wow! I think that's a little more than your "two cents!!!" I think you owe Donna about a buck fifty plus an apology! How hateful can you be-and over an opinion?!

Donna-I wasn't in total agreement with your letter, however, I did appreciate your concern for your nieces impressionable young minds. There doesn't seem to be alot of people willing to stick to their convictions these days and remember that there really is NO GOOD REASON to intentionally expose children to things that we believe are adult themed. I love it when people say "they have heard it already, at school, public etc, so you might as well get used to it." Yea, lets confirm to our children what we feel is questionable by showing an attitude of "oh well, I give up" and bring into & allow it in our kids lives anyway. Like we don't have the backbone to keep it at least out of our homes or the things we choose to participate in. No wonder there are so many kids that are disrespectful and question authority-it's because they think we are all full of crap! I think kids nowadays are STARVING for someone to show them what it means to live by their own beliefs and mean it, as opposed to giving in and going with the flow-no matter what your beliefs. There is a sense of security for children in seeing a parent or some other adult close to them doing the right thing and having the fortitude to stand firm when the chance to give in arises. In this case it sounds like your nieces were already famaliar with the music and the lyrics, so I guess that will have to be their parents responsibilty to regulate what they listen to. I don't have a problem with the Zac Brown band, but I would advise checking into any future events you might like to enjoy with them. Kudos for wanting to spend time with your nieces and caring about what activities you attend together!
More than ever, children need positive adult role models that care about their best interests. If it's a family member that is even better! Your nieces will respect you in the years to come, and look to you as someone they trust for solid advice. :)

And yes Donna, you should be able to state your opinion without being ridiculed. People contradict themselves when they post about how everyone should quit their whining and keep their opinions to themselves, when that is exactly what they are doing...stating their opinions!

Sheesh, ease up people, live and let live! "

PumpkinSeed wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:17 PM:

" P.S. The only thing that is a constant may be change, but standing firm on one's convictions is what counts and should remain the same. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:18 PM:

" Hey Texas T! A big YES on the Sawyers opening for Delbert McClinton! Good suggestion! A big YES for Leeann singing too! We don't get to hear her nearly enough anymore. That gal can do it all too!

Good suggestions everyone!

Come on back up here once in awhile Texas! "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:22 PM:

" Yup kamfong! I miss the good ole days and the "good ole people" I used to see and jam with. They were good times. "

PumpkinSeed wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:22 PM:

" Cognitus wrote on Aug 3, 2009 10:24 AM:

" My ***, we ARE in SOUTHERN Illinois.
Actually, a little Mozart would be nice to calm down the excitement on this subject. "

LOL! I must agree with you on that one Cognitus, good suggestion! "

The Question wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:27 PM:

" Twang twang twang. Oooohhh, I got dead drunk and run over the cat when she two-timed meeeeeee. Twang twang twang. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:48 PM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:27 PM:

" Twang twang twang. Oooohhh, I got dead drunk and run over the cat when she two-timed meeeeeee. Twang twang twang.

A true elitist statement TQ.

I seem to remember that Alison Krauss and Brad Paisley entertained at the White house a few days back. Pretty good gig for "twangers" don't cha think? :-) "

city girl wrote on Aug 3, 2009 7:43 PM:

" Mrs. Harmon aren't you Donna Jo mother? "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 3, 2009 9:15 PM:

" " Mrs. Harmon aren't you Donna Jo mother? "

Look out, a letter will be coming from the grandparents next time. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 3, 2009 9:59 PM:

" Hi HP! I wondered where you've been on this thread. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 3, 2009 10:34 PM:

" Take a wild stab a what genre I favor?
LOL!

Long Live Night Ranger!!!! "

jrhendren wrote on Aug 4, 2009 12:00 AM:

" Isn't funny how even Decatur can hve several types of music with no problems, but Mattoon can't do anything without some type of trouble. Heck even Charleston does for Red, White, and Blue days, and their concerts are free. Even Windsor has a free concert but not Mattoon. Only here do they charge an arm and a leg for an outside concert. Although which is worse the charging for the concert or the ones paying it? "

DonnaJo wrote on Aug 4, 2009 12:43 AM:

" Harry Potter-Wow are u really a wizard? if so make yourself disappear and get a life.
City Girl What does it matter?
EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINION!!
As for my grandparents and south 15th let me inform you south 15th is nothing but a broken down mess. If you ride down the street not take other roads to avoid riding down it yet you defend it on the registry maybe you would get a clue. I respect my elders you clearly do not. The curbs are shattered disaster and as far as the bricks can't they at least patch them up? I mean come on..its on the national registry so shouldn't it be a national historic road everyone wants to drive on and not avoid? "

The Question wrote on Aug 4, 2009 5:45 AM:

" I will grant you that country music is not "elitist," BB. In fact, it is quite the other other thing. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:39 AM:

" Granted TQ, there is an element of Country Music that's pure twang and meant to be that way, some of it for pure fun. BUT, there's also some music that's very beautiful with lyrics that can melt a heart. Many tell a story or express the deepest feelings of love, despair and sometimes pure joy we experience.

Writers such as Kris Kristofferson, Hank Williams Sr, Willie Nelson, and others have written classics that have been recorded by many artists. Many of these artits were not in the Counrty Musio field at all, but recognized a good song no matter where it came from. Tony Bennett, Rosemary Clooney, Harry Connick Jr, just to name a few.

As a matter of fact James Taylor who is known for his unique style for writing and performing has an album out now called "Covers". The songs on this albim are songs he's performed in concert but never recorded. He included several "Country" songs on this album. 'Wichita Lineman" recorded by Glen Campbell, "Why Baby Why"by George Jones, "Some Days You Gotta Dance", by the Dixie Chicks and a haunting song called "Seminole Wind" which was done by John Anderson.

The Kennedy Center For the Performing Arts has bestowed honors on several Country music artists actually ALLOWING them to sit alongside artists from movies, theatre, dance, the operatic world in a place of honor. How about "them apples" TQ?

Many artists from other musical genre's recogize just how talent "country pickers" are! I recall seeing Manhattan Transfer, the terrific jazzy vocal grup, include Ricky Skaggs playing with them. Ya don't get more county than Ricky! The Beatles were influenced by country artists. Buddy Emmons, the greatest steel guitar EVER, recorded a kick-butt jazz album with top shelf jazz musicians from New York several years ago. ZZ Top are BIG country music fans. So was Ray Charles. His album of Country songs back in the 60's was an astronomical hit! He took a huge chance in recording this album. He was advised against it because "they" thought it would ruin his career. WRONG! Ray stuck to his guns because he KNEW how good these songs were!

CMT has a show called Crossroad Country where country artists and artists from other fields perform together. Check it out.

Johnny Cash was respected by artists from many venues.

Great players and singers are just that! Get your snobby nose out of the clouds and listen, really listen. Listen to some of the "hot" players and wonderful singers out there.Try opening your mind to it and you just might find something that's pleasing even to your elite ears. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:47 AM:

" Ouch, Harry you sure did rile that one up. LOL "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 4, 2009 8:53 AM:

" The Question wrote on Aug 3, 2009 6:27 PM:

" Twang twang twang. Oooohhh, I got dead drunk and run over the cat when she two-timed meeeeeee. Twang twang twang. "

TQ---I should have said your attitude was elitist instead of " a true elitist statement". Oh well! What can you expect from a gal who enjoys Country Music? :-) "

Hahvahd wrote on Aug 4, 2009 9:21 AM:

" Donna Jo, A suggestion: pull back a little. What was it in Harry Potter's 2 line post that brought about such an outraged response from you and that long rant about 15th St.? He mentioned none of that, nor did he say anything that even remotely suggested lack of respect for one's elders, as you claim he revealed. Take a deep breath, dear, or go back on your meds.

And these forums aren't just about people who agree with you. Nearly everyone who posts on here knows that to express an opinion means you open yourself up to opposition. No one's attempting to take away your First Amendment rights, though you seem outraged that those who disagree with you are exercising their own First Amendment rights. Heck, the back-and-forth comments are the purpose of the forum, aren't they? All I know is that it's much more entertaining to read strong, even sometimes-obnoxious opinions that it is to read a thread where everyone agrees and basically does the verbal equivalent of holding hands and singing Kumbaya. Boring! "

Julio wrote on Aug 4, 2009 11:03 AM:

" Tony George made a huge mistake at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. He attempted to "clean things up" by removing the beloved Snake Pit (inside the 4th turn where the die hard fans use to sit).
He alienated the biggest fans and Indy car racing has never recovered. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 4, 2009 11:35 AM:

" Another great band is our areas own REO Speedwagon.

Like many have said.... Ah, the good ole days! "

exbricklayer wrote on Aug 4, 2009 12:42 PM:

" If you didnt like Zac Brown you might want to skip the Broom Corn Festival this year, cause if The Lost Trailers play their song Horse, your head will surely explode. Heck, maybe next year the Bagelfest can get Hank III, now that's country. "

DonnaJo wrote on Aug 4, 2009 1:05 PM:

" The statements concerning 15th street came from my letter Aunt objects it seems for some reason Harry chose to pick a fight concerning my grandparents. You know 15t st. had nothing to do with the conversation however he felt hte need to "poof" that into the conversation.
I have no problem for the "forums" to debate on the Zac Brown Band and Bagelfest. When you bring my family into the conversation and say gee i wonder how this one is related when yes it is a step niece or judge someone for a divorce that happended thats' out of line.
People should discuss the topic of discussion because it doesn't matter about who belongs to who or how much money one makes it matter about the topic...and the topic is and was and forever will be the zac brown band and bagelfest. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 4, 2009 1:14 PM:

" You have to wonder why the letter writers failed to mention their family connection to the "aunt". Interesting as well as deceptive. "

laveau wrote on Aug 4, 2009 2:07 PM:

" Harry Potter...you are a true wizard who can predict the future. The 15th street debate is now in full swish! "

The Tattler wrote on Aug 4, 2009 3:09 PM:

" Is it not ironic that people who drove many miles to hear Chicken Fried are upset about people who drink, when the tag line of Chicken Fried is "Cold beer on a Friday night". What did you expect? the Lennon Sisters. Do some research before you spend money on things. As for what type of music should be played at bagelfest, who cares? I go to watch the people and wonder "where do they come from?" "

DonnaJo wrote on Aug 4, 2009 3:22 PM:

" I would love to see some names here. I mean you have all my names and you seem to know everything so why not end the mystery here? could it be you just afraid of me knowing about your family? "

jrussell wrote on Aug 4, 2009 3:22 PM:

" everything in this county is country, the local t.v. channel, all the bands for the 4th of July, bagelfest, some people actually don't like country, country doesn't exactly mean family oriented, just ask Donna Jo lol "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 4, 2009 4:17 PM:

" The 80s did and still does rule. "

pumpkinseed wrote on Aug 4, 2009 5:04 PM:

" "Heck, the back-and-forth comments are the purpose of the forum, aren't they?"

Actually the purpose of the forum is to allow the public state one's opinion, not a platform for debate. However, I have to agree that comparing differences in opinions does make the forum more interesting as long as it is done in a respectful manner. It amazes me how people seem to relish in using insulting, condenscending rebuttals to someone else's views, then turn right around and preach about 'people's rights to express themselves' What hyprocrites! Sure, go ahead express your rights, and let others feel free to do so as well without being picked apart. It seems some poeple are so self righteous that they feel you have "the right" to degrade another just because they don't express themselves in the way you feel is correct. I can't see where Ms Bean has said anything wrong except ask that she be given the oppurtunity to relay her opinion without being personally attacked. We ALL deserve that. People nowadays seem to have the distorted mind set that it is there job to remind others that they are some how an idiot or "need to go back on your meds" if they don't go with the flow. That is elementary school mentality if you ask me! Kind of like the school yard bully picking on one kid and all the little 'followers' jumping in on the assault like a pack of wolves. Grow up people! No wonder are kids are out of control, they see adults condoning this type of behavior with their own actions and words.

"All I know is that it's much more entertaining to read strong, even sometimes-obnoxious opinions that it is to read a thread where everyone agrees and basically does the verbal equivalent of holding hands and singing Kumbaya. Boring! "

As far as that comment...I guess that depends on your idea of entertainment. I find exchanging differences of opinion in an intelligent and respectful manner without involving personal, irrelavent insults, is much more enjoyable not mention relaxing form of entertainment. Like I mentioned though, it does take a certian amount of intellect, and I don't think some people are interested in the effort.
I have found the Jerry Springer type entertainment is just a little too 'back woods' and not my cup of tea. Sorry about that. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 4, 2009 5:18 PM:

" Oh really? Not yet they don't, they haven't been told about the harassment lawsuit yet. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 4, 2009 6:06 PM:

" Hey Billie, I even like Slim Whitman. Of course no one comes close to Creedence Clearwater Revival or George Jones. Actually I like them all from Janice Joplin to Rod Stewart and even an occasional Beethoven symphony. Maybe it's just me but I've always thought people were limiting them self when they only listened to one type of music. With very few exceptions, I like music from all venues. The buttons on my car radio are set to a couple of country stations, a couple of oldies rock and one is set to a classical station out of Champaign. I also keep music on my computer, and my favorite is my sons music which is on line. I know you're in the book so I give you a call sometime and give you his site info. (wouldn't want my troll posting stuff on his blog lol) I think that you being a connoisseur of good music you might enjoy his band. He's a full time professional and a part time musician and has quite a following in the Chicago area. I think you might be impressed with the quality of his sounds. Of course I might be a tad prejudiced. "

pumpkinseed wrote on Aug 4, 2009 7:48 PM:

" Hey HP-I would love to hear your son's music, as I am always up for new and various artists. Do they have a website? I love EVERYTHING from country, hard/classical/soft rock, regaee, pop, R&B, jazz, etc etc etc!
I love "world" music too like celtic, Indian, etc. I don't think there is any music I DONT like except maybe "screamo" LOL! If you don't know what that is, don't bother-your not missing anything. :)
My ex husband has toured with several famous acts for years, as a percussionist and I had the oppurtunity to be around all kinds of musicians of different styles. My daughhter has been raised around nothing but music from all genres because of her parents, so she already has a healthy appreciate for variety. Along with all the music teenagers are into these days she has a real interest in music from India and music by Michael Blueble. He's got an awesome sound-check him out if you havent already. Her step dad is from Chicago and he has got her interested in alot jazz & blues over the last few years.
Anyway-if you feel comfortable posting a website for your son, I would definately love to check it out! :) "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 4, 2009 9:10 PM:

" HP- Call anytime. I promise I won't give up your true ID. You can take that to the bank my friend. I would love to hear your son's music. It's A-OK to brag on your kid! :-) Like you I enjoy many different styles of music. I can't handle Rap and the extreme head banging metal, or screamo. Not my cup of tea at all.

I intend to go out and listen to more music, now that I'm on the mend and feeling better.

I agree with you on Michael Buble Pumpkinseed. He's on my "bucket list" of performers to see. He is a terrific singer and performer. My 21 year old granddaughter is nutty about him, Harry Connick Jr and Dean Martin! This is a kid who likes all that stuff most kids her age like, but she also "hears outside the box" and is open to other kinds of music. She likes Vince Gill(me too) and many other Country artists.Having a grandma who sang and played in several bands with some fabulous musicians, she was exposed at an early age to music.

Music to me is almost as necessary as the air I breathe to live. This old world would be a dreary place without it. I miss "gigging", but my friends still let the old girl sit in now and then.

By the way Pumpkinseed, I like the Peruvian Indian music with what my friend Scurv calls "face flutes" or "pan flutes" along with guitars and various stringed insruments. Wonderful stuff. Very rhythmic.

So enjoy the music of YOUR choice folks. There's plenty of variety out there. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 4, 2009 10:11 PM:

" I would love to post his web site PS, but considering that I have a harassing troll on this site who would no doubt try to stink up his blog just for pure meanness, I just can't do it. I've seen some of the stuff he's put on other sites and there is no way I would want my son to have to deal with his sick personality. As you know some sites don't edit like this one does, and when given free rein, he lets it all hang out by posting some of the nastiest racist crap you can imagine. Sorry PS, I would love to share my sons talent with you, but I hope you understand my reasons. Thanks! "

donnajo wrote on Aug 4, 2009 10:31 PM:

" This is pure entertainment! LOL! "

pumpkinseed wrote on Aug 4, 2009 10:39 PM:

" No prob HP, I totally understand! :)

I hear ya BB on the daughter liking Dean Martin. It cracks me up when I hear her cranking "Aint that a kick in the head" in her bedroom-LOL! Again her Chi-town, step dad's influence. Besides Dean-O, he introduced her to ol' blue eyes and my husband's relative-Chuck Mangione. Gotta love those Italians! ;)
She goes from punk to mozart all in five minutes...too funny. I'm not sure we could survive without music. Like you said it's kind of like breathing air for us. "

62463 wrote on Aug 4, 2009 11:01 PM:

" Today's "country" music is not your old Jim Reeves or Ray Price music. What is supposed to be country music today sounds a lot like the music I listened to on WLS over forty years ago. "

kamfong wrote on Aug 5, 2009 6:25 AM:

" HP,Slim Witman? hell no. lol "

emcginnis wrote on Aug 5, 2009 11:07 AM:

" I disagree with this article and every other one that bashes country bands. especially when the people who write them pay $75 a ticket to listen to one freaking song. Grow up if your going to spend money to go listen to a band at least know a little bit more about them than one freaking song. As far as the drinking goes there has always been a beer tent at bagel fest during the concert. this is nothing new. These people who write these articles need to think these things through a little bit more than they obviously have. They need to think before they say " We also spent $75 and left before the SONG we wanted to hear "Chicken Fried"" "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 5, 2009 11:15 AM:

" kamfong wrote on Aug 5, 2009 6:25 AM:
" HP,Slim Witman? hell no. lol "

Aw come on kamfong. Old Slim wasn't too bad. I liked some of his stuff. Actually I was a little jealous of the old boy. He could sing higher than I ever could. Even in my dreams I couldn't hit some of those notes! LOL ! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Aug 5, 2009 12:21 PM:

" It is unbelievable that no one has bowed and cried about listening to Elvis. LOL I never did like much he did. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 5, 2009 12:32 PM:

" " HP,Slim Witman? hell no. lol "

Ouch!

Well OK kam, let me try again. How about Frankie Lane? "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 5, 2009 1:24 PM:

" Here's a couple more of my favs....

Enya & Ronnie Milsap

I've seen Ronnie in concert twice now, I'd love to see Enya for a first time. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 5, 2009 1:48 PM:

" Another one of my favs is Olivia Newton-John.

Now that lady can sing!

Seen her once, would definitely love to do it again. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 5, 2009 2:54 PM:

" Ah Rohn. I liked most of Elvis's music. I especially loved his early "raw" stuff as opposed to the over produced and flashy arrangements later. I liked his "pure' sound much better. To each his own I guess.:-) "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 5, 2009 3:17 PM:

" HP- I liked Frankie Lane. "That's My Desire", "That Lucky Old Sun' are two of my favorites. Frankie was so well known for his movie and TV songs like "High Noon" "Rawhide" and also songs like "Mule Train" and "The Call of the Wild Goose" that we forget how many really great love songs like "I'll Take Care of Your Cares and "swingy" things like "Sunny Side of the Street he recorded. Frankie had passion when he sang. He's another one of those singers that the second we heard the first note, we knew immediatly WHO was singing. No cookie cutter. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 5, 2009 3:25 PM:

" Rohn, my Mom loves Elvis - has every one of his movies, records, etc. - he's #1 with her.

I also have to admit, I used to "rock out" to the "pelvis" back in the day.
LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 5, 2009 4:22 PM:

" Enya's in a class of her own. Absolutely fantastic, Rockin Rotty. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 5, 2009 8:29 PM:

" Amen, HP!

Enya's music takes one to a place that is almost unmatched.

I've got a few of her CD's, but it would be the biggest pleasure in the world to see her in person.

Enya is a magical escape. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 5, 2009 9:21 PM:

" HP- I finally got the site to work and listened to some of the music. I liked what I heard so far. I just listened to snippets so far. I'll listen to more of it as I get time. Sounds pretty good to me. You have a right to be proud. They do have their own sound but still it has a "comfort zone" that old fogeys like me can still relate to. What I heard was melodic , but had an edge to it. I'll listen to it in depth soon. Good on your kid! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 5, 2009 9:48 PM:

" Thanks! "

kamfong wrote on Aug 5, 2009 10:21 PM:

" Billie,you and HP are showing your age,I barely remember ole Slim by his tv commercials.I go back but not quite that far.The newest country guy I like is Jamie Johnson,I can relate.HP ask your boy if he knows of Natures Gravy,they were a younger group of very talented musicians.It's really too bad that all these young local talents had to resort to factory work or junior college because they didn't get discovered.Oh Frankie who?lol "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 5, 2009 10:42 PM:

" Your secret's safe with me Harry. I've known exactly who you are for some time now. Your political rants at a local coffee shop are one of the worst kept secrets in Coles County. And believe me- I've been more than kind to you so far. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 6, 2009 12:29 AM:

" kamfong, I like Jamie Johnson too. His "You Should Have Seen It in Color" is a wonderful "word painting" . You can almost see the pictures as he sings this song. Lyrics interpreted in the manner Jamie does with this song blows me away! A song is more than just musical notes and words. It should touch you in some way. Maybe it's laughter, tears, hope, pure fun or perhaps it reminds you of yourself in some way. I feel a good song sung by someone who can deliver these things, is a living breathing thing.

Yeah kamfong I'm one of those older than dirt music lovers! LOL! Harry will probably say he is too. :-) Are you one of those "Old Hippies" the Bellemy Brothers sing about? LOL! They don't go back quite as far as HP and me. LOL ! "

what wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:03 AM:

" Ten thousand languages, ten thousand gods, ten thousand ways to create music, we don't have a clue why, but it is. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:01 AM:

" Hi kam. I checked Jamie Johnson out on YouTube. I was impressed. I can why you like him. I'll be talking to my son later and will ask him if he's familiar with his work. Like me, my son has a rather eclectic taste when it come to the various performers, so I would imagine he might be familiar with the guy.

Have you been watching the show "America has Talent" (or something like that) that's currently running on NBC? They have a young guy making it through the contest that will blow you mind away. Pure raw talent. The first time he came out onto the stage the audience laughed at his appearance, but once he started singing they were quickly moved by his cover of a Garth Brooks classic. Even the judges were moved to tears with his beautiful rendition. I can't remember his name, but if you go to YouTube and put in America has talent I'm sure you will find him. If I can find his name, I'll post it for you. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 6, 2009 10:09 AM:

" HP- I thought you would like Jamie Johnson too. He wrote a song that George Strait recorded called "Give It Away", Great song. He's a bit of a rebel or outlaw if you want to call him that. He doesn't fit in with what I call the cookie cutter mold. Go Jamie! I saw the young man you were talking about on "America's Got Talent" a couple of weeks or so ago when he was on for the first time. Now the conspiracy experts out there are saying he's America's version of Susan Boyle from Britains Got talent and it was a set up. Boo! The guy sings with feeling. All he had was his guitar and no there were no fancy studio tricks to tweak the performance. I don't usually watch the show, but my granddaughter had taken over the TV that night, so I watched it. I liked what I heard too. "

The Question wrote on Aug 6, 2009 1:37 PM:

" Yes, the Bagelfest bands should all be country, because there's nothing else that quite says "bagel" like country music. "

Kamfong wrote on Aug 6, 2009 6:48 PM:

" HP, I saw that guy briefly on americas got talent,my opnion is he would be properly placed if on American Idol,I think theAmericas got talent show has become rather cheesy but "he" was good.Chec out Jamies ,(mowin down the roses song). And Billie, Bellamy bros? another hell no lol. Remember Head East & REO speedwagon,playing at the Burgess Osborne for a few bucks? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 6, 2009 8:42 PM:

" " I'll be talking to my son later and will ask him if he's familiar with his work. Like me, my son has a rather eclectic taste when it come to the various performers, so I would imagine he might be familiar with the guy. "
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Your son's quite talented on the saxophone and keyboards- isn't he Harry? "

kamfong wrote on Aug 7, 2009 1:00 PM:

" X7,yeah yeah yeah,I see you creepin around behind my every post to Mr.Potter.I'm really surprised the moderator will continue to allow your creepy stalking continue.To my observation your comments are boderline threatning and harrassing.beat it DOGG. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 5, 2009 10:42 PM:

" Your secret's safe with me Harry. I've known exactly who you are for some time now. Your political rants at a local coffee shop are one of the worst kept secrets in Coles County. And believe me- I've been more than kind to you so far. "

Well...uh...then prove it. More hot air from the peanut gallery. lol! "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 7, 2009 5:22 PM:

" Good Gravy Marie!! Would you tone it down at the coffee shop HP! You'll force the patrons to start drinking decaf! LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 7, 2009 8:04 PM:

" Me and my ranting and raving at the coffee shop, huh Billie? I guess I must be making all that noise from my car, as I only use the local McDonald's drive thru for my coffee needs. I'm just waiting for the troll to out me on here. Since you are the only poster I've ever given my real name to, it will interesting to see what he comes up with. I think he really put his foot in it this time. You know me, I won't let him forget it either.

You should start disagreeing with me a little more or else he's gonna try to claim you're me too. lol!

PS, my favorite Frankie Laine songs will always be "I Believe" and Jezebel". "

Mama says wrote on Aug 7, 2009 8:42 PM:

" If God didn't want me to drink why do we have parking lots at bars?
I figured be more from the FAMILY.
Ho hum. I think I need a beer and a cussing country song. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 7, 2009 11:00 PM:

" Disagree with you HP? I guess he's forgotten that you and I have had many views that are different from each other's, many of them dealing with politics. I definatly list a little to the right. What "some" ( wink wink) fail to understand is people can still be friends and have opposing viewpoints.

I've taken myself out of most of the intense political bickering on these threads. It's not that I'm not interested. I am, very much so. I keep up with all of it. Make no mistake about that. I just feel I'm hearing much of the time, the same old stuff and really don't feel like adding to the redundancy.

Once in awhile though, I may comment on a letter or article I feel strongly about. One subject is our veterans. I still speak up even at the risk of being scolded and told not to tell anymore "boring veteran stories".:-)

I find myself these days wanting to have more fun on here and keeping it lighter. It's better for my blood pressure. :-)

Yeah I like those two songs by Frankie too HP. Maybe we can turn "kam" onto some of that old stuff. He might just like it!

Mama says--You are a hoot! Have a beer and enjoy that country cussing song.:-) "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 8, 2009 11:15 AM:

" I never did catch your answer Harry:

Your son's quite talented on the saxophone and keyboards- isn't he? Oh and- I'm not surprised that you're limiting your "coffee needs" to the McDonald's drive-thru these days, rumor has it you lost your cool over politics and made a scene at the local coffee shop. You haven't been back for a couple of months now have you Harry ole boy.

Oh and say, you wouldn't happen to know any musically talented people who live in the Chicago area of Peru Illinois.........now would you Harry?

No. Probably not, I'm sure........

Oh and P.S. to Billie Brant: I didn't make that comment that you keep referring to about "boring veteran stories".

Why would you *imply* that I did?

That was posted by Dohbaugh. And I have no access to the Dohbaugh name in here. Don't believe me, Bille? Just ask the monitor.

Or better yet- Have Harry ask the monitor to look into the matter. Let's see if anyone is accessing the "Dohbaugh" name in here other than the original registered user. Let's get to the bottom of this, shall we Billy? What do say Harry? Ready to put up or shut up? "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 9, 2009 5:00 PM:

" Oh and say, you wouldn't happen to know any musically talented people who live in the Chicago area of Peru Illinois.........now would you Harry? 7X writes.

I happen to know the young man you are referring to in the Lasalle Peru area. He is NOT Harry's son! How do I know this? I've jammed with this young man, the first time when he was only 15 years old, and that hasn't been all that long ago, maybe 6 or 7 years. Take it to the bank 7X he is not HP's son! You are correct about one thing, this kid IS talented! He plays a mean sax and keyboard. Oh! By the way, his wife is a dyn-o-mite singer! This young man I'm talking about does live in the Lasalle-Peru area.

Try again! LOL!

It's not really in the Chicago area either. How do I know? because my late sis lived about 20 minutes from Lasalle-Peru. It was at least an hour to an hour and a half or to get to Chicago, The residents there really wouldn't like to be known as Chicago area residents! LOL! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 9, 2009 5:31 PM:

" " Take it to the bank 7X he is not HP's son! You are correct about one thing, this kid IS talented! He plays a mean sax and keyboard. Oh! By the way, his wife is a dyn-o-mite singer! This young man I'm talking about does live in the Lasalle-Peru area. "
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Uhm....Billie? I never said anything about the person in Peru being Harry's son or playing the sax and keyboards. You might want to reread my post.

And most importantly- twice now, in your posts to me, you have reference ("I still speak up even at the risk of being scolded and told not to tell anymore "boring veteran stories".)
The implication seems to be that you think I posted that insult to you, Billie. I did not. I have never taken a cheap pot-shot at you Billie. And I sure as the he!! wouldn't take shots at your deceased husband who sacrificed his body for the service of this country. In fact, I'm not the one who keeps dragging you into this nonsense. I'll take on anyone on this sight Billie- but I will never attack you. I respect you far too much for that. So go ahead and and launch whatever insult you wish towards me; call me a pup, call me a b@st*rd, call me a son-of-a-b*&^#.

But first Billie, do me a favor- explain to me *why* you are doing this. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 9, 2009 6:16 PM:

" It appears that Sarah Palin's not the only one playing the victim card. lol!

And what the heck, I thought Sybil the troll was going to out me on here. Oh well, more hot air from this sites resident gasbag. As for his made up story about me and the local coffee shops, I told you folks he was just making it up. Just like everything else he says that's not cut and pasted. The wind bag has been exposed once again. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 9, 2009 8:37 PM:

" Still waiting, troll. lol! "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 9, 2009 9:27 PM:

" Oh and say, you wouldn't happen to know any musically talented people who live in the Chicago area of Peru Illinois.........now would you Harry?

Your son's quite talented on the saxophone and keyboards- isn't he Harry? "
Both of these posts were from you.

Now 7X, just who was this supposed to refer to if not HP's son? Why would you ask him such questions with one post refering to a person playing the sax and keyboard in one of them and the next a reference to Peru. You know what? I may not be on your intellectual level which is far superior to mine, but I'm not a complete idiot either. I can add one and one and come up with two. This crapola with the sax, keyboards and the "Peru" reference was very transparent. The second I read the one about the person in Peru, I knew who that individual was and he was NOT HP's son!

I'm going to "give" you the one on the boring veterans stories. Since I don't keep dossier's on everyone I may be mistaken on that one. I do recall that it was posted about the time all this silliness about "who is who" was going on. Really when you come down to it, who gives a rats behind who anyone is?

I'm pretty good at picking out writing styles too. Use that little bit anyway you choose.

I'm usually not in the habit of insulting anyone on here. Oh yes, I have used some zingers now and then. I'll admit that. Most of them are pretty tame compared to some I've read. It's not that I'm not capable of it. I'm no "Goody Two Shoes". I just choose not to get down and dirty here.
I don't recall EVER calling you a b@st*rd or son-of-a-b*&^#. Pup, maybe when I was trying to inject a little levity into a situation that was getting mean.

I just wish WE could ALL stick more to the point and leave this silliness in the background. For crying out loud, just because someone cracks an insult, it has to turn into a weeks worth of back and forth oneupmenship. Fire one back and let it go! I'm sure there will be ample opportunities on later threads for more "one liners". Actually some of them are pretty funny, on both sides even though I don't agree with the comment sometimes. Geez! We all need to lighten up!

You may want to know that I actually agree with the content of many of your posts. It's when they go off the deep end and you seem more intent on showing your "J. Edgar Hoover-like" penchant for getting even with those who disagree with you that I back off.

I like HP. It's as simple as that. I don't agree with a lot of his political views and he knows that. Still, he doesn't find it necessary to put me down because of it, or I him. We agree to disagree.

I have no control with what you decide to do or say in regard to what I've said. I've tried to be as clear and honest as I can be on how I feel about this. I can't do anymore. "

Mama says wrote on Aug 10, 2009 10:18 AM:

" Music, I like to tiptoe thru the tulips with Tiny Tim. hehe. Mama tends to like R and B, rock n roll, cause if Mama's going to be miserable, it is the R and B misery life, and I'm not black either. Told sing like Patsy Cline, play piano like Jerry Lee Lewis, can also sing blues songs. Hmmm, maybe Bagelfest should be a performer. hehe.
I am ready for Roddys Place to open and Mama can sing, joke, and bring down the house with you all there. hehehe. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 10, 2009 11:40 AM:

" I'd love to hear ya Mama! Maybe we could sing and play together. :-) "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 10, 2009 12:43 PM:

" Woohoo! We'd all sing & dance the night away!
LOL! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 10, 2009 2:51 PM:

" No Billie, I was not referring to the same person in those two separate statements. However, I was clearly mistaken because I was under the impression that it was indeed two different individuals- who were related. But I have since discovered that I was wrong about that.

But wouldn't you just know it Bille, the person who I suspect is our beloved friend, just magically shows up at the coffee shop this morning after being absent for almost two entire months, when he had his little public meltdown.

Now ain't that just a kick in the pants? Of course he didn't stay long. The conversation turned harshly anti-Obama and (our friend?) beat a hasty retreat for the door.

Oh well- I guess I could be wrong about his identity and I certainly hope that I am. Because our HP friend in here has engaged in enough character assassination against local individuals- by name (spreading rumors and innuendo) that it could have serious legal and business implications if his true identity were ever revealed. And that is exactly why I would never divulge his name in here. I wouldn't want to be the cause any harm towards his business or his reputation.

Oh and one minor thing Billie- I have never regarded you as anything less than my intellectual equal, and often, my superior. In fact, there have been numerous times that you have been able to cut through the BS and blast right through to the heart of an issue- in ways that I simply can't. And you tend to do it with the force of a Howitzer. Or in your case Billie- an M48A3 with it's 90mm cannon. Yes I'm a bit of tank fan- especially WWII Panzers.

One thing's for certain Billie- I always stop to read your posts. Feel free to blast me whenever you think I need it (and I know you will). I'll always give you a free pass, because no matter what your feelings are towards me- I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for you Billie. That's just the way it is........ "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 10, 2009 4:13 PM:

" 7Z writes:
Oh well- I guess I could be wrong about his identity and I certainly hope that I am. Because our HP friend in here has engaged in enough character assassination against local individuals- by name (spreading rumors and innuendo) that it could have serious legal and business implications if his true identity were ever revealed.

I don't quite "get this" 7X. If HP has engaged in serious character assassinations( I don't believe that for a minute) in a public place he's already known by his real name to the public. He would be putting himself in a position of legal ramifications would he not by doing this?

OR did I misread this post of yours? Did you mean he's done that only on here? I have a hard time believing that someone who's done this kind of thing on here would find it difficult to stifle the urge not to let it fly anywhere they go.

I've seen him "stick" a few on here usually with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, but character assassinations? Don't think so. Granted he can get a ittle acerbic, but no more than some of our other "friends" on here. I've also read his apologies when he's misjudged a post.

I do know he can have a very soft heart. Sorry if I ratted you out on that HP. :-)All one has to do is read some of his posts concerning kids and others who have suffered through some kind of tragedy. I know this even more since I've spoken to him personally. All of you know he's contacted me per phone by now. Still, I wouldn't know him if I passed him on the street.

Let's face it. You two guys can't stand the "sight" of each other. Simple as that.

Thanks for your kind words toward me. I appreciate them, but you have to realize that HP is my friend and always will be whether or not we agree on some matters. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Aug 10, 2009 5:36 PM:

" " Did you mean he's done that only on here? "
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Yep, mainly in here, Billie. But last year, the person I'm thinking of, just happened to mention some of this hearsay at the little coffee klatch, and wouldn't you just know it- bingo- there's our friend posting it in here a few hours later. Could be another coincidence I suppose. And this was mainly rumors and gossip about the personal lives of several people running for local offices in Coles county. And as I recall some of it was quite harsh. Also- the person I'm thinking of is quite pleasant- usually. But he can also snap. And he did so quite publicly over national politics. In fact, the entire place came to a stand still as the voices became louder. But again- I could be confusing two different people. Still....it's odd that a certain individual returned to coffee today after two long months and right in the middle of this little tiff. Ah well.....maybe it's HP's twin. heh.

But let be clear here Billie- I do not hate HP. In fact, we probably have more in common than not. And I realize that HP is your friend and I respect that. I simply wanted to emphasize to you that I am not your enemy, Billie. I had nothing to do with dragging you into this ridiculousness, and in the end, your just wasting friendly fire on me. But- we're all grownup's in here (even though we don't always act like it) and this is all much ado about nothing- isn't it. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 10, 2009 7:06 PM:

" 7X- Supposition can be a dangerous thing. Assumptions can get us in big- azzed trouble. Been there done that more often than I care to admit. Since you also "suppose" you might be thinking of a different person as you stated " But again- I could be confusing two different people", wouldn't it be better to err on the side of caution instead of assuming it was HP? There are any number of folks out there who probably share his views on politics. Stranger coincidences have happend than ......"Still....it's odd that a certain individual returned to coffee today after two long months and right in the middle of this little tiff." Sounds like a classic case of supposition to me here 7X.

That "ain't guilty' beyond a reasonable doubt to me. Why in the world would a smart guy like HP show up and "prove" to you he's the loose cannon you referred to during this tiff as you call it, after he's stated he only uses Mickey D's drive through for his coffee needs. It doesn't compute.

So, I'll accept your statement that you are not my enemy. Thanks for respecting that HP is my friend. He is that. Or as they said in "Oh Brother Where Art Thou", he's "bonafide" to me. "

Harry Potter wrote on Aug 10, 2009 7:45 PM:

" Still, I wouldn't know him if I passed him on the street.

You will on the 28th. You know the place, my friend. Looking forward to it. "

Billie Brant wrote on Aug 10, 2009 8:15 PM:

" You got it. Hope your lovely bride will be there too. "

Mama says wrote on Aug 12, 2009 1:51 AM:

" Harry Potter, if a wizard you change em into FROGS. Oh wait, ONE looks like one already. hehe. "

maggiemae wrote on Aug 15, 2009 8:47 AM:

" and for those of us who are not country fans, where does that leave us? variety is the spice of life "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Aug 15, 2009 10:49 PM:

" SOL - LOL! "

Mama says wrote on Aug 17, 2009 1:06 AM:

" Probably more posting when 2010 rolls around. HEE HAW. "