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Thursday, July 23, 2009 8:45 PM CDT
LETTER: Family's struggle shows health reform is needed

By KAREN DEREMIAH, Charleston

Due to the economy our small business failed almost three years ago. He works as a school bus driver and I am retired. We still have an eight-year-old daughter at home. I have Medicare and she has Illinois Kid Care, he has no insurance. My insurance covers some, hers a little if we find the right doctor, and my husband has no coverage. Our income is approximately $24,000 a year so there is no extra money for insurance or much else. We need health care reform.

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clayking wrote on Jul 20, 2009 7:26 AM:

" Not to be insensitive, but someone with an 8 year old at home should not be retired unless they can afford to raise the child. As for his lack of insurance, is driving a bus the only job he can find? I doubt that. Why should my taxes go to help you when you are not helping yourself? What needs reform is the sense of entitlement in this country. Too many people with their hands out sitting on their idle backsides expecting everyone else to take care of them. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Hang in there Karen, help is on the way, that is if the mean spirited Republicans, who are bought and paid for by the Insurance companies, don't manage to water it down. "

joe hardy wrote on Jul 20, 2009 9:49 AM:

" Well said! "

62463 wrote on Jul 20, 2009 11:07 AM:

" I do not understand her statement about the kid care card covering a little if she finds the right doctor. My daughter has a kid care also and it covers everything, totally. I have to travel about 40 miles for a dentist but the cost of gas for a 40 mile trip is nothing compared the the cost of the dentist without the kid care card. As I said I do not understand her statement about the cost, everything is taken care of for children when you have a kid care card, the doctor bill, the hospital and the medicine. Children are not charged at all. "

markmasse wrote on Jul 20, 2009 12:40 PM:

" Clay you got it right.
The question is if she is on Medicare she is either disabled or over 65. If she is over 65 and has an 8 year old kid I find that interesting unless it is actually a grand-daughter. We dont have enough facts.
And yes last time I checked a bus driver was not a full time job so he needs to find another job that has benefits if it means moving to find a job then so be it.
I recommend they start listening to Dave Ramsey 98.5 fm every morning and maybe even call him so they can get a reality check and get off the couch to help themselves. I know people in wheelchairs who work fulltime and have benefits. It is not impossible although she leads the reader to believe she has no other options..
Maybe she would like to expand on her story to tell us the real truth.. "

Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 20, 2009 1:05 PM:

" I am not willing to sacrifice my families level of service. My family and I have worked way to hard to get where we are and I am not willing to allow the government to tell me how to take care of my children's health. The 1.5 trillion dollor pricetag also scares me heck out of me. When is enough truly enough in this country. I am sorry Karen but there are grants available for you to go to school and get a job with better benefits. I did it because I felt as though it was MY duty to do so and not my own personal feeling of entitlement. Instead of whining about how rough you have it DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! "

unknownjoe wrote on Jul 20, 2009 3:34 PM:

" You don't need health care reform. You need to come out of retirement. What your letter is saying to me is that it is okay for you to sit at home while I go out to work, get taxed on the health benefits I purchase for my family so your family can have coverage. Here is a better idea. I will pay taxes on my health insurance coverage if you come over and clean my house and every other week your husband can come over and mow my yard. How's that for some cheese with that whine? "

JR wrote on Jul 20, 2009 4:38 PM:

" And what sort of reform would the letter writer suggest?

Healthcare, no matter what form it takes, costs money. Either money out of pocket for private insurance, money out of your paycheck for insurance through work, or money out of taxpayers and consumers in the form of government subsidized programs. If you think that healthcare will ever be really free, you are sadly mistaken. If you think that making the tax paying segment of the population pay more taxes will be your ticket, then think again -- there is not enough money there to completely fund 100% subsidized "free" health care and keep the standards of such care we Americans have become accustomed to. That means a lowering of healthcare standards and/or rationing under that rationale. It can also lead to the ultimate closing of some businesses, which means fewer jobs -- which means more people not having the buying and tax paying power they used to have, which means an even greater stress on the system to come up with the money for government programs. Which means you, Karen, like as not will get no better healthcare than what you are recieving now, and could possibly in the long term get worse. Of course it could be that you and your husband will make out ok (the bugs in the system take time to become apparent) but your daughter will have a tougher time when she becomes an adult, and her kids, and her grandkids. Unless of course you have some inside information as to future lotto winnings or your progeny's assured entrance into the upper rungs of society and being wealthy enough to procure a private physician and pay the fees out of pocket. "

oblivious wrote on Jul 20, 2009 4:39 PM:

" You should know many things about this person before judging her.
1. She is pushing 70 years old.
2. She raised 10 of her own children, and is now raising her grandaughter.
3. She has never taken a handout from anyone. No food stamps, no welfare, nothing.

I don't think entitlement is the word you want to use when speaking of this woman. She has given much more than she has taken. "

father bob wrote on Jul 20, 2009 5:09 PM:

" Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 20, 2009 1:05 PM:
" I am not willing to sacrifice my families level of service. """""

you don't have to....the proposed plan is OPTIONAL.

guess that word's just not in some people's dictionary. "

joe hardy wrote on Jul 20, 2009 6:25 PM:

" My "well said" refers to clayking's post.

oblivious, whether she has taken "handouts" before doesn't change the fact that she is asking for one now. It seems lost on people that someone has to pay for the health care plan. "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 20, 2009 7:51 PM:

" What "Oblivious" didn't mention when describing Karen is, Mark and Karen adopted many of those kids in addition to raising their biologicl ones. Mark and Karen are great people and took in many kids and provided those kids with a good family they might not have had otherwise.

I don't know the ends and outs of their situation now, but I do know they've worked hard all of their lives.I do know that while Mark had his car repair business he was always willing to work with those who found it difficult to always "pay in full" at one time and instead would let them pay it off with payments. That's something you don't find too much of these days although I can think of one more guy that does.

Looking for a handout? I doubt it. "

father bob wrote on Jul 20, 2009 7:59 PM:

" the usual rightwing conservative know-it-alls don't care to offer a real alternative plan. all they want is to talk down anything their president says about this continuing rape on america by PACs.

i'm awaiting Tom Andres to rise from the dead and putt his 2 cents worth in. i'm betting ol' timmie....tommie can't wait to tell us how his personal plan is serving him and the other household members just fine.

see goldman sachs... "

medic57 wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:06 PM:

" markmasse wrote:

And yes last time I checked a bus driver was not a full time job so he needs to find another job that has benefits if it means moving to find a job then so be it.

Sooo, just pick up and move on about $8 an hour. It's so simple, why didn't I think of that. Is you real name Sam Kennison? WE HAVE DESSERTS TOO, WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:10 PM:

" " you don't have to....the proposed plan is OPTIONAL.
guess that word's just not in some people's dictionary. "
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As usual "father bob" has no idea what he's talking about:

From Investors Business Daily (July 15 2009)- In the "health care for all Americans" bill on page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.
The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.
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So *technically* you can keep your current coverage- but the bill will simply force your insurance provider out of business by not allowing them to write any new policies. Aren't the Democrats cute? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:13 PM:

" "We still have an eight-year-old daughter at home."
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That does not say or even insinuate "Grand"daughter. So do not tell people how to talk or what to or not to say to this woman. She should not leave out "little" things like this and expect sympathy.
Karen if it is your grand child you are raising I applaud you. But in todays society it is happening more and more. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:21 PM:

" STUDY: 83 MILLION WOULD LOSE PRIVATE HEALTH COVERAGE UNDER HOUSE DEMOCRAT PLAN

Democrats and President Obama have denied that the creation of a new government-run health care plan would be a Trojan Horse for single-payer health care, but a new report by the Lewin Group (comissioned by the Heritage Foundation) finds that the House Democrats' health care bill would shift more 83.4 million Americans from private health care coverage to the government plan. To put that in perspective, that would mean that nearly half (48.4 percent) would lose their private health coverage. In all, the government plan would have 103.4 million members once implemented, according to the Lewin analysis. President Obama has repeated the mantra that anybody who likes their health insurance plan can keep it, but in reality about 63 percent of covered Americans get their health care through their employers, and if employers decide to drop their current health plans in favor of the government plan, workers won't have any choice but to sign up.
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The numbers (83.4 Million) show just what an egregious fraud Obama is committing when he tells people they'll be allowed to keep their private insurance plans if they like them. "

Jim1969 wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:56 PM:

" Here is what I don't understand myself. If they have a child at home why are they not signed up for Family Care. We are a family of 3 making approx the same yearly income and have Family Care through the state. "

Bps wrote on Jul 20, 2009 9:13 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 20, 2009 5:09 PM:
" Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 20, 2009 1:05 PM:
" I am not willing to sacrifice my families level of service. """""

you don't have to....the proposed plan is OPTIONAL.

guess that word's just not in some people's dictionary. "
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Optional?

You are a trusting soul arent you fb.

The 1,018-page document provided by the house has a provision whose end result will make individual private medical insurance illegal.

In effect it outlaws individual private coverage.

Under the header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage, the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

Quote- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law. End Quote

This is so we can all keep our coverage with a few little exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it, ever. Cant switch carriers, ever. The carriers can't add new members, ever.

Additionally those who leave a company to work for themselves will not be free to buy individual plans from private carriers, ever.

Many companies offering employees insurance will switch to the public option because it might be as much as 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums (cheaper only because taxpayers will be funding it- they wont have to pay the normal employer portion).

Here is what the nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated:

120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

Optional also means you can opt out completely and have no insurance, but at what costs?

The Senate Bill being discussed carries the catchy shared responsibility payments option. Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 to opt out.

There is much more, but the end result will be- shazam, the gooberments optional insurance will be mandatory in a very short time.

We will be at the mercy of a bureaucracy who will be in total control of every facet of the citizens health care.

Based upon how well they have done with Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and every other program they have ran into the ground, we are in for fun times arent we fb? "

M wrote on Jul 20, 2009 9:25 PM:

" While I can appreciate Karen's need for assistance, I can not agree with the means with which she believes she will receive it. 7x6z9 is correct..."From Investors Business Daily (July 15 2009)- In the "health care for all Americans" bill on page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal." If we allow this bill to pass we will be hurting many more than we would be helping. Our politicians have us over a barrel and they know it. Karen, I hope you are able to find a way to manage your financial difficulties in a timely manner. I thank you for giving of yourself for the needs of others. I just hope we can all find the answers we need....but government health care is not the way. "

jrhendren wrote on Jul 20, 2009 11:46 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 20, 2009 8:13 AM:
" Hang in there Karen, help is on the way, that is if the mean spirited Republicans, who are bought and paid for by the Insurance companies, don't manage to water it down. "

If it's all the Republicans fault then what have the Dems. been waiting for? They have had control for awhile now. Harry I believe you to be a smart man, so please tell me you do not really believe that is only Republicans that are in insurance companies pockets? You know why there is no health care reform in place. I will tel you why. If their was the politicians would have one less thing to blame the other side for. Neither side has a good idea. Leaving it up to the doctors and insurance is stupid, and so is Socialistic health care. Neither will work. It needs to be put in the hands of the people with their chosen doctor. One of the best plans was the Health Savings Accounts. It needs a tweak itself but its better then what many have, or do not have. "

Hound Dog wrote on Jul 21, 2009 6:11 AM:

" We do not want the government in charge of health care in this country. Frankly I do not see the "crisis" that is being discussed. The government cannot run anything properly - too much corruption and waste. We are too much in debt now. Doctors will retire early or just quit if the patient-doctor connection is eliminated by a government "official". "

Hound Dog wrote on Jul 21, 2009 6:34 AM:

" Kinda ironic the prez wants to completely change everyone's health insurance, and is rumored to still be smoking, and recently picked an obvious obese minority to be our surgeon general. Rush, rush, hurry up, don't read the bill, just sign it. One mistake after another. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 7:10 AM:

" OBAMA: MAYO CLINIC IS GOOD MEDICINE
MAYO TO OBAMA: OBAMACARE IS BAD MEDICINE

WashingtonTimes (July 21 2009) A world-renowned clinic that President Obama held up as an example of good medicine said Monday that the American people would be "losers" under the House's health care proposal, joining the growing chorus of critics the Obama administration is trying to fend off as the debate intensifies from Capitol Hill to Main Street.

Minnesota's not-for-profit Mayo Clinic, which Mr. Obama has repeatedly hailed as offering top quality care at affordable costs, blasted the House Democrats' version of the health care plan as lawmakers continue to grapple with several bills from each chamber and multiple committees.

"In fact, it will do the opposite," clinic officials said, because the proposals aren't [R]patient-focused or results-oriented. "The real losers will be the citizens of the United States."
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This is similar to the time Obama claimed that Porkulus would allow Caterpillar to- "rehire some of the folks who were just laid off."
Only to have Caterpillar's CEO (moments later) say- uhm no it won't.

Obama's script: say anything to Rahm it through. "

markmasse wrote on Jul 21, 2009 7:15 AM:

" medic 57 you will get no sympathy from me.
Understand my father taught me something much greater than taking hand outs it is called "work ethic" They raised 6 kids on one factory job and never,never , never took a hand out from the gov't for food , insurance etc. Use your real name so we can have a real discussion.
By the way I dont mind paying taxes and providing health insurance etc to those that cant help themselves, the question really is can they truely not help themselves? Sometimes we just need to dig a little deeper...
I do truelly feel for any 70 year old couple raising an 8 year old child it saddens me that the parents are not responsible, it is unfortunate some people can have children. "

The Question wrote on Jul 21, 2009 7:34 AM:

" You should turn to Republican mouthpieces for financial advice. Sean Hannity, for example.
On last night's show, he attacked the Obama administration for purchasing ham for food banks and soup kitchens at a cost of about $1.50 per pound. "By the way," Hannity sneered, "the ham (the government has paid) $1.50 for? It actually costs only 79 cents in most grocery stores."
LOL. Hannity clearly hasn't been to the supermarket lately, and I guess his servants haven't been keeping him informed about prices. "

The Question wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:12 AM:

" One of the best plans was the Health Savings Accounts. It needs a tweak itself but its better then what many have, or do not have.
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So after spending hundreds of billions to enrich health insurance companies, Americans are now just supposed to abandon the hope of health insurance entirely and save to pay for their own health care bills individually. Incredibly stupid idea, and exactly what insurance was supposed to guard against. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:15 AM:

" Of course not, jr. Information on who donated to every elected official is readily available. I believe we will get health care reform in some version. For the first time the Republicans are conceding that the system is out of control and needs repaired. Personally, I don't think the presidents plans are realistic, but so far nothing the other side has come up with is either. The answer is somewhere in the middle. Realistically what we will get will come in some sort of compromise. This compromise will not come from the extreme elements of either party. It will be the moderates in both parties that will ultimately come up with a plan the will be implemented.

On this issue of the non insured poor, they are getting primary care services, but unfortunately it's being done through emergency rooms. The hospitals are absorbing the costs for those services by passing it on to their paying patients, hence the 15 dollars they charge for a 2 dollar tooth brush, as an example. This cost is ultimately being passed onto the consumer through higher insurance premiums.

Taking off my partisan hat for a minute, I would say that both parties need to be willing to set down and get some type of reform going. After the Republicans all out attack on Obama on this issue they have put them selves in a position of having to do something. Considering that the health care industry spends 1.6 million dollars a day fighting reform, it won't be easy. "

Tom Andres wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:02 AM:

" Ill admit, father bob, that your obsession for me and your cute little nicknames for me like timmietommie are a little scary, in a stalker-like way. "

Tom Andres wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:05 AM:

" father bob, I may actually agree with you on something that under the pretext of the First Amendment, Political Action Committees (lobbyists, influence peddlers, etc) are killing America by undermining the value of One Man, One Vote. An area where Im sure we would not agree, though, is that I see the rape of America coming from both sides of the aisle, where you only see damage coming from the conservative side. "

The Question wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:03 AM:

" As a friend on mine observed, we seem to have morphed into a people and a country incapable of doing the right thing. We let half a million Americans be bankrupted by medical expenses every year, and don't really care. We have neither the will nor apparently the mental or moral desire to solve problems. I'm not really sure we can turn that around.
Politicians and citizens in the U.S. have always been extremely self-serving but we have reached a new level. You can easily see the bottom from here, but millions of people don't care to look. Our supposed representatives in Congress now are so entrenched in this corrupt, greed-driven health-insurance system that they couldn't function in a new way even if it were to be supported. And the corporate media is there to insure that the real issues will NEVER be examined, let alone discussed.
Watch the news for a week with an outsider's eye. Look at what we've come to call leaders and representatives. Stay out of the entertaining back-and-forth mudslinging and just look at the intellectual, social and moral qualities of our discourse. Listen to the new level of hate speech in our coffee shops. We're ugly, we're fat, we're ignorant and we're fiercely proud of it all. Not a solid foundation for change, is it? "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:16 AM:

" jrhendren wrote on Jul 20, 2009 11:46 PM:
"If it's all the Republicans fault then what have the Dems. been waiting for? """"

a president with the b@lls to do it. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:18 AM:

" i see the raving lunatics are in full force.... "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:20 AM:

" you guys need to do a little factchecking before you show your complete ignorance. "

Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 21, 2009 12:11 PM:

" Apparently my post ruffled some feathers. It has taken me some time to respond, however, I was at work.

"you don't have to....the proposed plan is OPTIONAL.

guess that word's just not in some people's dictionary. "

Well FB, thank you for your concern on my grasp of the English language. Do you honsetly believe that a private health care company will be able to compete with the federal government when they (the federal government) have billions of dollars to loose or at least that's the perception. As we all know the word billons all the sudden does not seem like much money. A government health care plan will be able to run without making any money. After all the federal government has all the money they need. They can just take it from those they perceive to be wealthy. Who do you think creates jobs? It's not the lower or middle class, it's the wealthy. So fb, you doubt my grasp of the English language, I doubt your grasp of basic economic principles.

I realize I am a minority in this post but at what point do we sit back and actually THINK about what we are doing. No I do not listen to Rush, Hannity or any of the others. I actually pay attention to what's going on in this country and maybe some other should as well. "

Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 21, 2009 12:21 PM:

" "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

Karl Marx

Is this really what we want? "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 12:40 PM:

" China even snickers at us...

July 21 (Xinhua) -- Millions in the United States can't afford health insurance as employer-based coverage is not an option, a new survey finds.

Most people in the United States who try to buy an individual health insurance policy on their own never end up getting coverage, often because the premiums are just too expensive, according to the study published by Health Day News on Tuesday.

Roughly three of every four people who tried to buy a policy from the individual health insurance market in the past three years didn't get one, said the study by the Commonwealth Fund, a private foundation that supports independent research on health policy reform.

The study cited premium cost as the main reason. About 57 percent of the people surveyed said it was very hard or even impossible to find coverage they could afford, while about 47 percent said it was difficult or impossible to find a plan with the coverage they needed, and 36 percent reported being charged more or denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition or having the condition excluded from their coverage.

Called "Failure to Protect: Why the Individual Insurance Market Is Not a Viable Option for Most U.S. Families," the report compared the experiences of working-age adults with individual- and employer-based private health insurance.

It also found that people who bought health insurance in the individual market spend a lot more on premiums and deductibles than those with employer-based coverage. "

even steven wrote on Jul 21, 2009 1:33 PM:

" I agree that some aspects of our current health care system need reformed, but I strongly oppose the government taking over the nation's health care. Look at what a mess the federal government has made of Medicare, Amtrak, and the US Postal Service. There is ample history to make all but the most braindead automatons wary of this serious overreach by our government. "

red,white,blue wrote on Jul 21, 2009 3:20 PM:

" Chet, although some would like you to believe it, you are not in the minority in your thinking that this proposed health care plan is a disaster. Yes, there needs to be reform and other plans have been offered only to be shot down because they came from the other side of the aisle. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 4:39 PM:

" this isn't about healthcare, it's about a black man in the whitehouse.

the WASPs in the gop have been livid since day one, and that won't change. if john mccain had introduced the same bill, there wouldn't be the turmoil and political posturing that we've all seen from the "party of NO".

the common uneducated working man has been gullible to the republican hatemongering and fear tactics, and will continue to be. it's not about policy anymore, it's about hate and the hatred of a black man. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 4:44 PM:

" ANCHORAGE, Alaska - An independent investigator has found evidence that Gov. Sarah Palin may have violated ethics laws by accepting private donations to pay her legal debts, in the latest legal distraction for the former vice presidential candidate as she prepares to leave office this week.
AP-

Sarahcuda is like the Energizer Bunny. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 4:47 PM:

" FOX has millions of viewers who agree with whatever it broadcasts. They display a lynch-mob mentality: trial by media, then hanging. Their group-think gives them comfort in that majority rules absolves each individual from individual responsibility.
If you dont understand the enemy, you cannot defeat it. The mob will always need a leader; one who feeds its fears and provides weak victims as sacrifices. Notice how often its spokespersons portray their opponents as weak?
Those who negotiate are weak. Those who compromise are weak. Those who resort to violence first and ask questions later are strong. This is primal. This is mob-think. This is what is left of the Republican Party. This is Foxs viewing audience.

(TZ) "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 4:50 PM:

" oh MY!.......i'm shocked!!

AP NewsBreak: Palin implicated in ethics probe

By RACHEL D'ORO

An independent investigator has found evidence that Gov. Sarah Palin may have violated ethics laws by accepting private donations to pay her legal debts, in the latest legal distraction for the former vice presidential candidate as she prepares to leave office this week.

The report obtained by The Associated Press says Palin is securing unwarranted benefits and receiving improper gifts through the Alaska Fund Trust, set up by supporters.

An investigator for the state Personnel Board says in his July 14 report that there is probable cause to believe Palin used or attempted to use her official position for personal gain because she authorized the creation of the trust as the "official" legal defense fund. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 5:45 PM:

" WHAT IF 100 YEAR OLD WOMAN NEEDED PACEMAKER

OBAMA: HEY JUST TAKE PAINKILLERS INSTEAD

Jane Sturm told Barack Obama that her mother had needed a pacemaker implanted at 100 years of age, but got denied by the first doctor she saw. She found a doctor who would do the surgery, impressed by her spirit. When Sturm asked Obama if her mother would have received a pacemaker under ObamaCare....well...

OBAMA: "I dont think that we can make judgments based on peoples' spirit," . ... "Maybe youre better off not having the surgery, but taking painkillers."

VIDEO: http://tinyurl.com/me9vcy

This shows why politicians shouldn't decide on medical treatments. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 5:49 PM:

" OBAMA SAYS TIME FOR TALKING OVER, BUT ADMITS...HE HAS NO CLUE WHAT'S IN OBAMACARE BILL

Obama hosted a conference call with leftist bloggers urging them to pressure Congress to pass his health plan as soon as possible.
During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: "Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?" President Obama replied: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."
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In other words Obama wants congress to hurry up and pass a disastrous Health-Care bill that he has........never even read. But nevertheless it must be passed ASAP. "

devilishangel61401 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 5:50 PM:

" I have to agree with Even Steven. I am tired of folks blaming republicans or democrats lets be real they both mess up a great deal!! I know folks who live in Austrailia and Canada where they have socialized medicine. They are all telling me that allowing the goverment to take over the health care system is a big mistake. When one of my friends told me that he was diagnosed with cancer that if he did not have "family money" he would have had to wait 6 months to start any type of treatment I was blown away by that. Im on medicaid and I have had to wait before for 3 months with an abscessed tooth before I could get into the dentist due to the office being at their medicaid quota that long so I do understand how hard it can be. But I also hardly complain because at least I have that. I don't think health care reform is needed, I think we need to look at where we can cut expenses, and reduce abuse of our health care system. How many illegal immagrants are getting medical services paid for by the goverment, how many people get their "routine care" through an emergency room rather than a general provider, emergency room care is meant for emergencies, this bogging down of the ER for routine things is why people who need real emergency care have to wait 4 stinking hours to be seen not to mention that those costs are passed onto everyone else when they see doctors or need to stay in the hosptial. How much money is it costing our goverment to provide medical and dental care for prison inmates? What happens if this health care bill goes through is it going to make everything like communist Russia, only rather than waiting in a line for bread, we'll be waiting 6 months to see a doctor then be waiting 6 hours to get in to see the doctor? "

Bps wrote on Jul 21, 2009 6:51 PM:

" My, isnt it amazing.

All the good information the posters are providing on this thread proving that this Health Care bill is wrong head thinking and bound to be a disaster for all of us, and the best the resident liberal gaggle comes up with is:

You oppose it you are a racist
Sarahcuda is like the Energizer Bunny
An ad for the Fox News Network
Palin implicated in ethics probe

It isnt hard to understand these lame postings.

The administration itself is having a hard time convincing its own party members in the senate that the bill they havent even read is a good thing.

Maybe Obama ought to switch his tactics over to our resident brain busts- try to confuse them all with meaningless information that is completely unrelated, yeah thats the ticket. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 7:46 PM:

" maybe we all need to go down to "C Street" and prey together!!?? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:00 PM:

" It seems that Sybil isn't too happy with our Sarah reports fb. I have an idea. I'll stop them when Fox news stops their 24/7 Obama bashing. How about it fb, are you with me? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:10 PM:

" AWESOME: VOTERS LAUGH OUT LOUD AT DEMOCRAT'S PROMISE THAT OBAMACARE WILL SAVE MONEY

VIDEO: http://tinyurl.com/lwj33b

Note the question from the audience at the very end- "If it's so good why doesn't Congress have to be on it?"

I would like to know that too. Do the usual Obama-Drone Liberals in here have an answer for that? "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:16 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:00 PM:

" It seems that Sybil isn't too happy with our Sarah reports fb. I have an idea. I'll stop them when Fox news stops their 24/7 Obama bashing. How about it fb, are you with me? """"""

i'm with ya HP, should we meet in Alamogordo or Phoenix??....just askin' "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:20 PM:

" OBAMA TO DEMS: I'M JUST GOING TO IGNORE SOME PARTS OF THE BILL YOU PASSED

AP (JULY 21 2009) - Four senior House Democrats on Tuesday said they were "chagrined" by President Obama's declaration in June that he doesn't have to comply with provisions in a war spending bill that puts conditions on aid provided to the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.

"During the previous administration, all of us were critical of (Bush's) assertion that he could pick and choose which aspects of congressional statutes he was required to enforce," the Democrats wrote in their letter to Obama. "We were therefore chagrined to see you appear to express a similar attitude."

The letter was signed by Reps. David Obey of Wisconsin, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, and Barney Frank of Massachusetts, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, as well as Reps. Nita Lowey and Gregory Meeks, both of New York, who chair subcommittees on those panels.
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Aw would you look at that. Now, even hypocritical corrupt Democrats are calling Obama hypocritical and corrupt.
And they're saying that Obama reminds them of.......Bush.

Kinda just- makes you cry doesn't it "father-bob".

;-) "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:29 PM:

" USATODAYGALLUP: POLL DANGER SIGNS; OBAMA TRACKING LOWER THAN CARTER

The biggest drop has been on his handling of the economy, down 12 points since February; his disapproval is up 19 points. The most erosion has come not from Republicans or independents but among his own Democrats. Support from conservative and moderate Democrats is down by 18 points. Another group in the party's political base those earning $20,000 to $50,000 a year had a drop of 15 percentage points, to 47%
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Oh dear. Harry Potter and his crowd of many-names are going to need a lot more Palin distractions in the months to come. But something tells me- that's not going to help them. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:39 PM:

" meltdown is just around the corner...your troll is a ticking timebomb.....once again. "

Bps wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:44 PM:

" Aw, the local liberal cadre seems listless and stuck in a rut even more than usual tonight.

Maybe this link might pep them up.

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:50 PM:

" FOUR POLLS NOW SHOW OBAMA'S APPROVAL RATING ON HEALTH CARE BELOW 50%

(CNN) (July 21 2009)

Here's the money quote: "Obama's support on health care is similar to the pattern that polls found for Bill Clinton in 1993," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "In April of 1993, a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll found 51 percent of Americans who approved of how Clinton was handling health care policy. By August of that year, Clinton's approval rating on health care had dropped to 44 percent."
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Obama failed to crack 50 percent on his pet issue- ObamaCare. And worse yet, he's trending the same as Clinton did with HillaryCare. Yep. the Obama-Drones are going to need a *lot* more Palin distractions. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:02 PM:

" wow HP, i guess i didn't realize our resident stooge was a mouth-breathing moron......but hey, if she wants to flaunt her skirt, who am i to judge???

just sayin'

LMAO!!! "

JR wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:03 PM:

" There does need to be something done about healthcare, but this healthcare program will not do it. I don't see compromise from either side -- $250 billion dollars to the AMA to support this? That is not compromise. That's bribery.
Why hasn't the concept of tort reform been discussed further? Right now the biggest problem with rising medical costs and less medical care seems to be the issue of increased malpractice costs. Oh, heaven forbid lawyers get some of their favorite stalking grounds taken away! --and lawyers have quite a bit of political clout in D.C.
Another: we really have to do something about the illegal immigrant issue in this country -- this is a big grey area, as I personally don't have problems with immigrants, but I do have issue with abuse of our social services system. Someone I know works in a major hospital in a city as a transcriptionist -- didn't go into details but did inform me that nearly 40% of combined unpaid Medicare and private pay bills were for illegal immigrants that there is little probability will ever be paid. We have plenty of poor people who are citizens who are an issue for the system; we simply cannot (and ethically should not) pay for illegals when our own are not getting taken care of. This healthcare package doesn't stop that -- it opens the opportunities for illegals to game the system even more, and is a purely political move. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:09 PM:

" Hey fb, I guess you saw where Obama has picked out his candidate for Surgeon General. The right wing nuts are already attacking her by claiming she too big. Do you think Limbaugh will make an issue of her weight? You wouldn't think that obese pig would, but you have to remember he mocks drug users and incredibly called an Hispanic candidate for the SC a bigot and a racist. About the only way any of Obama's candidates can get through without a battle would be if they were card carrying members of the John Birch Society and the KKK and had the endorsement of the Heritage Foundation. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:28 PM:

" Wow! What a day for the GOP.

One of their better know commentators is forced to apologise for making racists statements.

Sarahcuda gets hit with yet another ethics violation.

The head of the RNC can't even tell you the name of his insurance carrier.

And to top it all off, one of their PR departments spokesman, ex-Fox producer get sentenced to 10 years in prison for kiddie pornograph*.

All in all, not a good day for the party of no. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:45 PM:

" Rumor has it that the next GOP/Fox teabag parties will be headed up by e-GOP Senator Larry Craig and ex-GOP Congressman Mark Foley. Honorary team captains will be Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh. "

devilishangel61401 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 10:14 PM:

" JR I agree with everything you just said in this post. I don't have an issue with immigrants, every history class I have ever taken has shown that unless a person is a Native American or a descendent of Native Americans, we are all descended from immigrants, all of our ancestors came here from other countries. What I have an issue with is people abusing the system. Like you said about the malpractice, it seems like every day I see a new "lawsuit" on tv for suing some company or doctor for allegedly causing some issue. Remember when malpractice suits weren't occuring so frequently? Now Im not saying let some doctor or pill mess you up for life and do nothing about it, but a lot of these lawsuits seem frivolous to me. I admit that healthcare needs reforms but both political parties need to meet in the middle not hurl insults at each other, all that does is distracts us with hurling our own insults rather than pushing our elected leaders to do the jobs our tax dollars are paying them to do.

JR wrote on Jul 21, 2009 9:03 PM:

" There does need to be something done about healthcare, but this healthcare program will not do it. I don't see compromise from either side -- $250 billion dollars to the AMA to support this? That is not compromise. That's bribery.
Why hasn't the concept of tort reform been discussed further? Right now the biggest problem with rising medical costs and less medical care seems to be the issue of increased malpractice costs. Oh, heaven forbid lawyers get some of their favorite stalking grounds taken away! --and lawyers have quite a bit of political clout in D.C.
Another: we really have to do something about the illegal immigrant issue in this country -- this is a big grey area, as I personally don't have problems with immigrants, but I do have issue with abuse of our social services system. Someone I know works in a major hospital in a city as a transcriptionist -- didn't go into details but did inform me that nearly 40% of combined unpaid Medicare and private pay bills were for illegal immigrants that there is little probability will ever be paid. We have plenty of poor people who are citizens who are an issue for the system; we simply cannot (and ethically should not) pay for illegals when our own are not getting taken care of. This healthcare package doesn't stop that -- it opens the opportunities for illegals to game the system even more, and is a purely political move. " "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 10:20 PM:

" POLL: OBAMA'S CREDIBILITY ON HEALTH CARE IS CIRCLING THE DRAIN

POLITICO - In addition, more respondents said government-managed solutions would make the health care situation worse than said they would make it better or keep the situation the same.

Asked what effect a government-managed health care coverage option would have on access to health services, 40 percent said it would make the situation worse, 38 percent said it would make it better and 22 percent said it would remain the same. Asked what its effect would be on the quality of health care, 42 percent said it would make health care worse, 33 percent said it would make it better and 25 percent said it would not have an effect.
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Oh dear. Looks like the Obama-Drones are going to need even more Palin distractions to sooth their little heads. And the public still won't care. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 21, 2009 10:36 PM:

" OBAMA'S HIDING THE BUDGET NUMBERS UNTIL AUGUST RECESS

AP (June 21 2009) The White House is being forced to acknowledge the wide gap between its once-upbeat predictions about the economy and today's bleak landscape.

The administration's annual midsummer budget update is sure to show higher deficits and unemployment and slower growth than projected in President Barack Obama's budget in February and update in May, and that could complicate his efforts to get his signature health care and global-warming proposals through Congress.

The release of the update usually scheduled for mid-July has been put off until the middle of next month, giving rise to speculation the White House is delaying the bad news at least until Congress leaves town Aug. 7 on its summer recess.

The administration is pressing for votes before then on its $1 trillion health care initiative, which lawmakers are arguing over how to finance.
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Obama is actually hiding the worsening news of the economic fallout caused by his Porkulus package. He knows that it would destroy what dwindling confidence there is left in his ability to honestly handle anything of substance. And that would certainly pull the plug on his ObamaCare Bill that is barely alive on life-support.

Oh yeah- Harry Potter and his many shadow-puppets are going to need lots and lots of Palin distractions.
Did I say- lots? "

Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 21, 2009 10:41 PM:

" Wow, since I left we've played the race card. Are you serious? That's simply wrong.

I also notice we've gone from arguing the facts to personal slams. Now that's mature,,,,,,wait,,,,,what else should I expect? "

Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:23 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 4:39 PM:

"the common uneducated working man has been gullible to the republican hatemongering and fear tactics, and will continue to be. it's not about policy anymore, it's about hate and the hatred of a black man."

Actually sir I am quite well educated. The simple fact that we disagree is what makes this country great. Stating that a person 'hates' President Obama simply because of his race is a pathetic statement. The fact that you assume this by those who disagree with President Obama is also pathetic. True conservative individuals believe that a person should be judgesd by merit and nothing else. Ideas should be debated. However one should never bring race into a discussion of ideas. You sir did just that thus creating the problem. "

jrhendren wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:51 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 21, 2009 8:15 AM:
" Of course not, jr. Information on who donated to every elected official is readily available. I believe we will get health care reform in some version. For the first time the Republicans are conceding that the system is out of control and needs repaired. Personally, I don't think the presidents plans are realistic, but so far nothing the other side has come up with is either. The answer is somewhere in the middle. Realistically what we will get will come in some sort of compromise. This compromise will not come from the extreme elements of either party. It will be the moderates in both parties that will ultimately come up with a plan the will be implemented.

On this issue of the non insured poor, they are getting primary care services, but unfortunately it's being done through emergency rooms. The hospitals are absorbing the costs for those services by passing it on to their paying patients, hence the 15 dollars they charge for a 2 dollar tooth brush, as an example. This cost is ultimately being passed onto the consumer through higher insurance premiums.

Taking off my partisan hat for a minute, I would say that both parties need to be willing to set down and get some type of reform going. After the Republicans all out attack on Obama on this issue they have put them selves in a position of having to do something. Considering that the health care industry spends 1.6 million dollars a day fighting reform, it won't be easy. "

That my friend I would agree with totally. They all need to quit being babies and remember why they are there in the first place. That is again why I am for term limits for Congress. The president is limited so why isn't Congress. "

medic57 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:08 AM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2009 7:46 PM:

" maybe we all need to go down to "C Street" and prey together!!?? "

Do you hang out on C Street a lot? "

stevemasse wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 AM:

" markmasse wrote on Jul 21, 2009 7:15 AM:

" medic 57 you will get no sympathy from me.
Understand my father taught me something much greater than taking hand outs it is called "work ethic" They raised 6 kids on one factory job and never,never , never took a hand out from the gov't for food , insurance etc.

And you do realize that you are just an inch away from insolvency at any given time? "

medic57 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:31 AM:

" 545 PEOPLE

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices, 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red ..

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ .

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:41 AM:

" SENATOR: DEMOCRATS "BAFFLED" BY OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE STANCE

WASHINGTON (CNN) (July 21 2009) As the prospects for passing health reform by the time Congress leaves for its August recess look bleaker, Democratic grumbling about President Obama is growing louder. One Democratic senator tells CNN congressional Democrats are "baffled," and another senior Democratic source tells CNN members of the president's own party are still "frustrated" that they're not getting more specific direction from him on health care. "We appreciate the rhetoric and his willingness to ratchet up the pressure but what most Democrats on the Hill are looking for is for the president to weigh in and make decisions on outstanding issues. Instead of sending out his people and saying the president isn't ruling anything out, members would like a little bit of clarity on what he would support especially on how to pay for his health reform bill," a senior Democratic congressional source tells CNN.
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Oh you gotta love this. Democrats are "baffled". Baffled that Obama's not weighing in and giving them specific direction. Wow. Who didn't see that coming? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:47 AM:

" Isn't this amazing? Democrats are "baffled". Baffled that Obama's not weighing in and giving them specific direction. These drones are beginning to realize what a lot of us already knew: Obama doesn't make tough decisions. That's "above his pay grade" and The Empty Suit is simply voting "present" as usual. His Teleprompter has weighed in on the issue though; It's answer was "Hope and Change". And would you believe it? For some reason Democrats are finding that Obama's empty campaign rhetoric doesn't really translate to actual leadership. Huh. Who knew? That's a real shocker isn't it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:58 AM:

" I think that what's particularly galling to the extremists who post on here is that we are going to see some fundamental changes in health care in this country. While the President may not get everything he wants, change is going to occur, and they know it.

Rather than see Obama succeed on this or any other issue they would rather see the current system, where uneducated insurance clerks are making medical decisions, perpetuated even though they have to have sense enough to recognize that it's broken.

I'm still waiting to hear if the opposition has any other ideas other than their anemic plans for medical savings accounts, which are not going to help people who struggle just to put food on the table and save their homes from the banking sharks and usurious credit card companies.

I suspect that those same politicians who currently oppose any change will run home to the folks and brag about what they did for them with medical reform, after the final package is presented. That's what happened with the stimulus package, that is the biggest critics of that idea all went home to brag about what they got for their voting base.

Remember the showboating Texas governor who made such a public display of his opposition to any stimulus? He's now wanting it, and in fact is asking for even more.

In closing, the insurance companies, aided and abetted by the GOP will not be able to kill health care reform this time around. Bet on it. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:59 AM:

" RAHM EMANUEL: WE RESCUED THE ECONOMY. YOU'RE WELCOME.

NYT Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said in an interview that the president intended to use the news conference as a "six-month report card," to talk about "how we rescued the economy from the worst recession" and the legislative agenda moving forward, including health care and energy legislation, which squeaked through the House and faces a tough road in the Senate.
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Oh, okay. So the Obama BS has progressed from: "Porkulus will have instant results so we MUST pass it NOW!" to "Hey now wait a minute- we never said it would have instant results" to "Hey look at that! We saved the Economy!" So uhm.....why is the Obama Administration hiding the Mid-Summer budget numbers until August recess? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:18 AM:

" " Aw, the local liberal cadre seems listless and stuck in a rut even more than usual tonight.

Maybe this link might pep them up.

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama "
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Bps- that has got to be the funniest video I've seen in some time. "He's come to save the day!" And you just *know* it's a safe bet that Mr Potter sleeps in an official Obama-Super-Hero-Unitard just like the one in this video. Funny- yet in a sad way really....... "

Beaches wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:56 AM:

" I agree that healthcare in the United States is far from perfect, but it's the best out there. I agree with JR - I'm happy to help our citizens who can't help themselves (and that number should be smaller than it is because of people who don't help themselves) but I am tired of paying for illegal aliens who come here because the US offers more for them. That's theft. I'm afraid of many of the "socialized" health care systems and the decisions being made by government officials. I also worry about the impact on medical research if we impact pharmaceutical companies too much. "

Can't Take It Anymore wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:12 AM:

" i have been reading these blogs for a while now.all i can say is that all of the lugnuts on the right are loose.do yourselves a favor and get them tightened down.if people would look at what harry potter father bob the question and others say you would learn things "

Cognitus wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:06 AM:

" 7x6z9:"Democrats and President Obama have denied that the creation of a new government-run health care plan would be a Trojan Horse for single-payer health care, but a new report by the Lewin Group (comissioned by the Heritage Foundation).........

Say no more 7x6z9. If it's written by
the Heritage Foundation -- founded by the Coors Family of Golden, Colorado --
so we don't have to have it quoted to us; we know what it says. We know about the Coors family: for example, if you worked at Coors, you could expect that company thugs would search your car in the parking lot while you were at work to see if they could find any "contraband" ... like like a Democratic campaign sticker or anything that was Not Ultra Conservative. They had NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER, for their workers; sorry to disillsion you --
can I just call you "7x"? -- 7x; they would spit on you. "

Cognitus wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Steadman:
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
Karl Marx
================================
Steadman, you don't have to quote Karl
Marx; you can go a LOT farther back than that. Remember when Jeezus Krist
told the young man to "sell all thou hast and give it to the poor".
It pains me to see you putting Jesus Christ in the same category as Karl Marx ... which maybe shows that Marx
not exactly the person conservatives should be quoting....... "

Cognitus wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:35 AM:

" develishangel"What I have an issue with is people abusing the system. Like you said about the malpractice, it seems like every day I see a new "lawsuit" on tv for suing some company or doctor for allegedly causing some issue. Remember when malpractice suits weren't occuring so frequently?"
That's true. Years ago I was in an accident as a child, and after the surgeon had sewed up my wounds, I complained day after day about pain in my hip, but the surgeon ignored it.
After I had been in the hospital TEN DAYS my aunt, a nurse, complained to the surgeon that I had a broken hip and demanded an xray -- which showed I DID have a broken hip.
Because of the delay I've walked with a limp the rest of my life. But no, in
those days doctors were like gods; one accepted what they were told, never questioned, never sued -- and we didn't.
Actually I guess I should thank the surgeon for his malpractice,since my untreated injury, rendered me unfit for military service so I avoided the draft. "

The Question wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:57 AM:

" The Obama administration has refused a request from a good-government group to release the names of the health-industry execs who have gone to the White House to "discuss health-care reform."
Acting like Dick Cheney is not going to earn you anything but contempt, Mr. President. "

Cognitus wrote on Jul 22, 2009 11:00 AM:

" evensteven:"Look at what a mess the federal government has made of Medicare, Amtrak, and the US Postal Service."
I love to answer those who don't know what they're talking about:
(a) I've had Medicare for 20 years; NOT ONCE have they dictated, OR EVEN ASKED, about doctors or procedures. They cut the bill to what the clinic has agreed upon, and quietly pay their share. I never even see the bills.
(b) Amtrak? You can ride the Acela from DC to NYC for $72, 3hr 24min, start downtown, end downtown so no hassle w getting to airport. No it doesn't run thru Mattoon for I doubt many from here would ride the train to Chicago. And you've forgotten Amtrak took over a FAILED private system.
(c) US Post Office. In many years NOTHING of mine has been lost.
Where I live part-time in the mts of Colorado, the USPS delivers to community boxes 1/2 mi. from my house.
If Fed Ex has anything for me, they dump it at a federal office in town; has a taxpayer-paid secretary call me to pick it up.
USPS simply refuses to come into the mts, afraid of the bears. In fact USPS has dumped a pkg at a nearby public school here, had secretary call me to pick it up.

evensteven, desperate to kick SOMEBODY, has picked agencies with which he obviously has had little experience. "

Matt Toon wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:47 PM:

" "even steven" claims that the federal government has made a "mess" of Medicare, Amtrak and the US Postal Service. He is wrong. The post office does a great job at a very reasonable cost to the consumer. Amtrak is a real asset to small towns like Mattoon and Charleston. Such communities would have no passenger railroad service at all if it wasn't for the federal government. As for Medicare, I know several people on Medicare and none of them have ever had a significant complaint about the program. Furthermore, studies have shown that Medicare has a rather low administrative overhead. All three of these federal programs are excellent and deserve our support. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:24 PM:

" Talkin about reform....

The JG-TC Online needs a new webmaster, or atleast someone who knows what the heck they're doing with a comment venue/forum.

Get To The Gettin, JG-TC.com! "

Bps wrote on Jul 22, 2009 2:28 PM:

" 53% Now Oppose Congressional Health Care Reform

Opposition has grown from 45% in late June to 49% two weeks ago and 53% today.

Guess that explains the leadership's big rush to push this bad bill through so fast. They were afraid that enough people would read to see how bad it is and not vote for it.

The President is a great salesman. It will be interesting what affect his upcoming Prime Time sales pitch has to change this trend. "

father bob wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:08 AM:
"Do you hang out on C Street a lot? """"""

i see that one went whizzing right over your head. "

father bob wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:07 PM:

" Chet Steadman wrote on Jul 21, 2009 11:23 PM:
" Ideas should be debated. However one should never bring race into a discussion of ideas. You sir did just that thus creating the problem. """""

spoken like a true WASP conservative. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:00 PM:

" Stating that a person 'hates' President Obama simply because of his race is a pathetic statement.

I certainly don't have to answer for father bob, as he seems to a pretty good job of defending himself and his posts, but I couldn't let this one go by without commenting.

Chet, apparently you're not aware of the comments, joke and cartoons floating around out there regarding the presidents race.

How many politicians have come under fire lately for sending out racists e-mails? Several have. It seems that for a while we were hearing about this about every week. And as yet, I've not heard one prominent member of the GOP condemn this practice.

For the most part, I believe that most of those who oppose Obama are doing it for honest disagreement with his ideas, but there is a large group of people out there who oppose him simply on the basis of race. To deny this seems rather naive to me. Before the election, I heard a lot of people say they would not vote for a black man, and a lot of these folks were lifelong Democrats. A lot of the comments about Obama are subtle in there message, but make no mistake about it, racism is coming into play with a lot of them.

In closing let me say this Chet, I believe, based on your posts, you to be a sincere person who has strong beliefs, and I admire that, even though we would probably not agree on a lot of issues. I'm certainly not accusing you of being racist, but then I don't believe our friend father bob has ever claimed that all of those who oppose Obama are either. "

father bob wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:05 PM:

" stevemasse wrote on Jul 22, 2009 12:17 AM:
" markmasse wrote on Jul 21, 2009 7:15 AM:

" medic 57 you will get no sympathy from me.
Understand my father taught me something much greater than taking hand outs it is called "work ethic" They raised 6 kids on one factory job and never,never , never took a hand out from the gov't for food , insurance etc.

And you do realize that you are just an inch away from insolvency at any given time? """"""

wow....you guys are real peaches. you've not walked in his shoes, nor do you suffer from the physical afflictions medic does. i don't alway agree with what meds is saying, but at least i have compassion for those trying their best to do with what they do have.

you two are prime examples of what's wrong with this country. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:18 PM:

" That is again why I am for term limits for Congress. The president is limited so why isn't Congress. "

And we can agree on that one too, jr. Until that happens we will all bicker back and forth while the politicians in Washington continue to play the divide and conquer game with us. "

Bps wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:35 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:31 AM:
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Your entire post has articulated exactly how I have felt for many years.

Here is hoping enough others feel the same so we can start voting out those who do not represent the people's interest and start putting in those who do. Only then will things start getting fixed.

Excellent post! "

Bps wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:09 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:18 AM:
Bps- that has got to be the funniest video I've seen in some time. "He's come to save the day!" And you just *know* it's a safe bet that Mr Potter sleeps in an official Obama-Super-Hero-Unitard just like the one in this video. Funny- yet in a sad way really....... "

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Glad you enjoyed it. Jib-Jab has done some great parodies throughout the years that hit home on several politicians from both parties.

I think most of them from the last few election cycles are still on the site. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:43 PM:

" "Say no more 7x6z9. If it's written by
the Heritage Foundation -- founded by the Coors Family"
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Well Cognitus- can I call you Cog? Well Cog, thanks for sharing your undocumented and completely irrelevant anecdote of your hatred for the Coors family. Now on to the point at hand:

From Investors Business Daily (July 15 2009)

IT'S NOT AN OPTION

"When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law."
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Does the ObamaCare Bill outlaw private insurance? Literally, no, but in practical terms, it effectively makes it an endangered species and creates an American single-payer system by default. Sorry to disillusion you Cog, but your President has been lying to you. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 5:54 PM:

" OBAMA TO DEMINT: "IT'S NOT ABOUT ME"
OBAMA TO DEMOCRATS: "YOU'RE GOING TO DESTROY MY PRESIDENCY"

NationalJournal.com (July 22 2009) Senate Finance ranking member Charles Grassley said. "A Democrat congressman last week told me after a conversation with the president that the president had trouble in the House of Representatives, and it wasn't going to pass if there weren't some changes made ... and the president says, 'You're going to destroy my presidency.' "

The White House did not respond to requests for comment.
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Ah.....so it *is* all about Obama afterall. Now let's Rahm this cr*p-sandwich through ASAP! Yes we can. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:05 PM:

" If you're opposed to ObamaCare watch this and try not to smile.
If you're an Obama-Drone watch this and try not to spit blood.

A brand new drug from the makers of Stimulex comes REFORMA. It hasnt been tested, no one knows who the designers are, and not even the CEO is sure whats in it. But theres no going off it once you start. What could go wrong?

WATCH THE VIDEO:

http://tinyurl.com/lp6oa3 "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:08 PM:

" BREAKING: NO VOTE ON HEALTH CARE BEFORE AUGUST RECESS, SAYS DURBIN

WOOHOO!

....if this is true.... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:13 PM:

" BREAKING: NO VOTE ON HEALTH CARE BEFORE AUGUST RECESS, SAYS DURBIN

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on Wednesday acknowledged for the first time that a pre-recess vote on healthcare reform is unlikely.

"We're going to take a little longer to get it right," Durbin told The Hill when asked about the oft-stated goal of a vote on or before Aug. 7, when a monthlong Senate recess begins. "Initially we had hoped for a full vote by then, but I dont think it's going to be possible."

Delaying the vote until after Labor Day would all but erase hopes of getting a bill to President Obama by mid-October, since the House and Senate versions would have to be reconciled in conference negotiations assuming they pass their chambers.
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Sweeeeet! "

Bps wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:20 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 4:18 PM:
" That is again why I am for term limits for Congress. The president is limited so why isn't Congress. "

And we can agree on that one too, jr. Until that happens we will all bicker back and forth while the politicians in Washington continue to play the divide and conquer game with us. "
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Wow, I agree with HP on term limits also. Must be a blue moon coming.

Can we also agree that they cant exempt themselves from the laws and regulations they pass and put in effect for the people except in the cases of National Security?

Wonder how long it would take to fix Social Security if all federal employees and elected officials were also forced into its programs? "

Bps wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:23 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 22, 2009 3:01 PM:

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What an impartial source you put forth.

Wow, Rachel Maddow. Everybody knows how impartial a source she is.

That proves it to me. Offsets all of the known questions that so many have pointed out and documented.

As a concerned and interested citizen Mr. fb, I would gladly spot him the $10 or $20 to pay for the release of the certified copy of the long form.

Yep, that really would make fools of all who have questioned this.

What are those guys afraid of? How hard is it for them to just do it and shut everybody up and makes fools of them? "

The Question wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Apres moi, le meltdown. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:42 PM:

" OH MY! OBAMA BLOCKS REQUEST FOR LOGS OF HEALTH TALKS

MSNBC (July 22 2009) Despite his campaign promise to "make White House communications public," the Obama administration again is blocking the public from seeing White House visitor logs, this time refusing to disclose meetings with health care executives.
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Tsk tsk tsk.........

So much Hope.......

So much change.....

*snicker* "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:48 PM:

" BREAKING: NO VOTE ON HEALTH CARE BEFORE AUGUST RECESS, SAYS DURBIN

This is more than likely a Democrat head-fake. They'll Rahm this sucker through no matter how many members they have to threaten or buy-off. It's The Chicago-Way after all. "

devilishangel61401 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:56 PM:

" Cognitus I am sorry for your experience with your hip. As I said though, I'm not saying let some medication or doctor mess you up for life and do nothing, but nearly every day there is some lawsuit advertised on tv suing some drug company for a medication making you sick. Those scientists reportedly spend 10 years processing and checking those drugs so you would think there would be minimal risk involved. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 7:03 PM:

" OBAMA TONIGHT: "I have also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade - and I mean it."

Unbelievable. Is everything that falls out of this guy's Teleprompter a blatant lie?

Uhm....yes. Of course it is. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:38 PM:

" Obama took 6 months to pick out a dog and he wants health care passed in 2 weeks?

-Astute blogger "

father bob wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:04 PM:

" Bps wrote on Jul 22, 2009 6:23 PM:

"What are those guys afraid of? How hard is it for them to just do it and shut everybody up and makes fools of them? """"

lets see....Lou Dobbs is supposed to be a jounalist....and you profess to be somewhat...although questionable...intelligent, even though i'm quite sure you're a mouth-breathing birther.

why don't YOU and LOU DOBBS actually call for a copy of the document???

do that and report back and we MAY take you seriously. "

father bob wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:06 PM:

" i see our resident idiot has her panties in a twist over an intelligent human actually addressing the country. "

Can't Take It Anymore wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:10 PM:

" why is it that 7X6Z9 and bps only spew hatred and meanness?i feel father bob harry potter and the question are about the only people in here that shows proof without talking mean. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:39 PM:

" Good grief! Hey fb, could Sybil possibly make it any more obvious what he's up to tonight? For those keeping score, he's added two more tonight. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:41 PM:

" Can't Take It Anymore wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:10 PM:
" why is it that 7X6Z9 and bps only spew hatred and meanness?i feel father bob harry potter and the question are about the only people in here that shows proof without talking mean. "
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Hello Mr Potter. I mean "father bob". "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 22, 2009 9:54 PM:

" According to the AP, Palin has known of the potential of ethics violation of the legal defense fund for a week yet continued solicitation.

What would a day be without a Sarahcuda update. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:15 PM:

" So what have we learned after watching the latest installment of the 'ObamaCare ShamWow Info series?
Well... besides some senseless ramblings and vague generalizations mixed with accusations of blame pointed at everyone but himself and Democrats, we learned this from the Empty Suit:

Apparently ObamaCare is going to improve treatment, give us more choices, give doctors more options, save us more money, and not cost us a single dime. All at the expense of course, of a few greedy, evil millionaires who should be forced to pay for all of us anyway. Oh and, apparently Porkulus was a resounding success too, even though the economy continues to tank.

And if you buy this load of cr*p now; Obama will throw in a free vegetable slicer and two additional SHAMWOWS ABSOLUTELY FREE!
But we have to pass this t*rd now- because he can't keep offering this BS all year long.

ShamWow! "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Can't Take It Anymore, kindly please remove your head from your arse.

Around here, EVERYBODY is guilty of it at one time or another.

Here's an idea....

If you don't care for a particular poster.... ignore it/skip it, & move on.

Now, move along monitor wannabe, move along. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:45 PM:

" UH-OH! Looks like The Empty Suit fudged a little (actually a lot) in his latest ShamWow infomercial.

FACT CHECK: OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE CLAIMS ADRIFT

AP (July 22 2009) WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's assertion Wednesday that government will stay out of health care decisions in an overhauled system is hard to square with the proposals coming out of Congress and with his own rhetoric.

Even now, nearly half the costs of health care in the U.S. are paid for by government at all levels. Federal authority would only grow under any proposal in play.

A look at some of Obama's claims in his prime-time news conference:

OBAMA: "We already have rough agreement" on some aspects of what a health care overhaul should involve, and one is: "It will keep government out of health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your insurance if you're happy with it."

THE FACTS: In House legislation, a commission appointed by the government would determine what is and isn't covered by insurance plans offered in a new purchasing pool, including a plan sponsored by the government. The bill also holds out the possibility that, over time, those standards could be imposed on all private insurance plans, not just the ones in the pool. "

what wrote on Jul 22, 2009 10:59 PM:

" I don't know but I suspect the most profitable business in coles county is a not for profit organization, they don't even pay postage to send me their advertisement each month, but hey, get over it, I mean it's just how it's done, right? "

Hound Dog wrote on Jul 23, 2009 6:57 AM:

" Here is a novel idea: put the final draft on the 2010 mid-term elections, and let US vote on the health bill, rather than those in congress. They don't always do the right thing for US, do they? "

The Question wrote on Jul 23, 2009 7:01 AM:

" Infant mortality is a disgrace in the U.S., which ranks 29th in the world, according to the Centers for Disease Control. The U.S. ranking for letting children die has sunk past 17 other countries since 1960, and now ties with Poland and Slovakia.
If the Republicans and the right-wing Democrats manage to block real public-option health care, that rate will continue to sink, and more children will continue to die here, and more millions of adults will spend years in pain because they cannot afford health care.
But that's all right, because Republicans know that unless you're rich, you deserve to suffer and your children deserve to die. It's their God's way. They know that what their God holds most sacred are those hundreds of billions in health insurance profits. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 7:45 AM:

" FACT CHECK: OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE PRINCIPLES SOMEWHAT ATE ODDS WITH THE DETAILS IN FRONT OF HIM

WASHINGTON (AP)(July 22 2009)

OBAMA: "I have also pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our deficit over the next decade, and I mean it."

THE FACTS: The president has said repeatedly that he wants "deficit-neutral" health care legislation, meaning that every dollar increase in cost is met with a dollar of new revenue or a dollar of savings. But some things are more neutral than others. White House Budget Director Peter Orszag told reporters this week that the promise does not apply to proposed spending of about $245 billion over the next decade to increase fees for doctors serving Medicare patients. Democrats and the Obama administration argue that the extra payment, designed to prevent a scheduled cut of about 21 percent in doctor fees, already was part of the administration's policy, with or without a health care overhaul.

Beyond that, budget experts have warned about various accounting gimmicks that can mask true burdens on the deficit. The bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget lists a variety of them, including back-loading the heaviest costs at the end of the 10-year period and beyond.
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Obama shoveled out some whoppers last night and the media's beginning to call him on it. When sources like the Associated Press (who have normally slobbered over him since the campaign) begin to state in no uncertain terms that he's lying- it's a whole new ballgame. The Hope and Change hypnosis is officially expiring. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:02 AM:

" FACT CHECK: OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE PRINCIPLES SOMEWHAT ATE ODDS WITH THE DETAILS IN FRONT OF HIM

WASHINGTON (AP)(July 22 2009)

OBAMA: "We already have rough agreement" on some aspects of what a health care overhaul should involve, and one is: "It will keep government out of health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your insurance if you're happy with it."

THE FACTS: Indeed, Obama went on to lay out other principles of reform that plainly show the government making key decisions in health care. He said insurance companies would be barred from dropping coverage when someone gets too sick, limits would be set on out-of-pocket expenses, and preventive care such as checkups and mammograms would be covered.

It's true that people would not be forced to give up a private plan and go with a public one. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER ALL OF THOSE PRIVATE PLANS WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE IF THE GOVERNMENT ENTERED THE MARKETPLACE IN A BIGGER WAY.
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Please note that this article verifies what I have cited by Investors Business Daily: Technically you can keep your private coverage. HOWEVER- ObamaCare will effectively run all private insurance companies out of business in short order by not allowing them to write any new policies and by making it far too difficult and expensive for employers to maintain the existing coverage for their employees. And that is the Democrats main objective here. This is purely a stealth political ploy by the Democrats known as a Trojan Horse tactic. It is a very deceptive lie, and it is what we have come to expect from this Chicago-President. Everyone should be aware of this. "

Beaches wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:04 AM:

" Obama is upset that raising health care costs mean if we get a raise from our employer, we don't really get it because healthcare costs take it. I agree, and I don't like that. But don't some of the health care costs go to giving raises to healthcare providers? And before you go crazy and shout about how much doctors make - there are other people in our clinics, offices and hospitals. Nurses of every level, RN, BSN, CNA, LPN, there are receptionists and schedulers. Do none of these people deserve a raise because they work in the healthcare system? Is everything about this system evil and bad? (For the record, neither I or any family members work in healthcare.) "

angi61 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:58 AM:

" Wow! By the comments of some, I see a continued lack of education that needs addressed greatly in our country.

We have for instance Chet who speaks concerns for the government telling him what to do, as if they aren't already, since you are already paying taxes? Where do you think grants come from as well Chet?

As for Clay, who the heck are you to judge as to how this couple has an eight-year-old, especially when they previously were trying run a business in which this country has not supported small business too well but rather have supported big corporate/lobbyists with breaks and bailouts. I guess you would rather support those such as Halliburton etc..?

As for unknownjoewingnut, I see you want to prejudge this couple as well, so you are okay as well with the rising costs of healthcare due to corporate greed and monopolies like the Doctor owned companies such as Health Alliance naming their price.

For 62463, you have been quite lucky in finding a doctor who accepts the kidcare from IL. I realize that many people do not see outside their own fortunate lives though. "

father bob wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:23 AM:

" hehehehe.....HP & TQ looks like our resident idiot's copying and pasting some other idiot's opinion again and calling it a "Factcheck"....ROFLMAO!

butter and salt on your popcorn? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 10:02 AM:

" (CBS) Private investigator and CBS News consultant Patrick Malkmes suspects the illicit taping of ESPN sports reporter Erin Andrews was an inside job.

Andrews has vowed to press criminal charges against, and sue the Peeping Tom who posted the video of her -- apparently shot through a hotel room peephole -- on the Internet.

And of course Fox news owner Rupert Murdoch just had to show the photos in his sleazy rag, the New York Post. Is there anything that piece of human waste won't stoop to in order to sell his brand of sensationalism that poses as legitimate journalism? The New York Post is to print journalism what Fox news is to legitimate network news. "

The Question wrote on Jul 23, 2009 10:29 AM:

" Tell me, why shouldn't the hundreds of billions that now go to health insurance corporate profits instead be spent TO PAY FOR HEALTH CARE? "

Jim1969 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 10:51 AM:

" I really do not know anyone who thinks that the US health care system is just fine and needs to be left alone. What seems to be concerning those I have spoken with, from doctors to homemakers, is how the government is going to do it and the fact they are not wanting to address many of the key factors that really would make a difference.

Before touting what Washington is wanting to do though, maybe you should read about the proposals in the bill the house wants to pass.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html "

slap63 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 11:39 AM:

" Seems to me that the opinions in this column is why the world is where it is. Selfish greedy people. I agree, the government is not good for health care. But its not very good the way it is either. There are some people that can not afford health insurance. And we pay for those who have no insurance to use the ER for a doctors office. If you are so upset about where your money is going, why doesn't anyone do anything about it? That airport sucking tax dollars for one. I would much rather pay for someone to go to a doctor than to pay for the already rich to go play at the airport. Or to keep the animal population safe from all those airplanes. Another example is the fire department getting all of these grants for things they really don't need. atv's, campers, detox buildings. Yeah, terrorists hit hre all of the time. There is so much money wasted on grants for stupid things its mind boggling. Tax dollars are being wasted on ridiculous things instead of the necessary. And while I'm at it. Politicians should pay taxes too! "

The Question wrote on Jul 23, 2009 2:35 PM:

" Unfortunately, Republicans like to diagnose the PROBLEM in American health care-- obscene profits diverted from being used to actually pay for medical attention-- as the SOLUTION. "

red,white,blue wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:45 PM:

" I believe even steven's point about medicare, amtrak and the post office is that they are all going broke (medicare) or have done nothing but lose money for years (amtrak and the post office). They may seem to be working just fine but there are obvious problems under the surface. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 3:58 PM:

" butter and salt on your popcorn?

Better stock up for tonight's show fb, he'll be along any time. I can't wait to see who he accuses of being me tonight. "

The Question wrote on Jul 23, 2009 4:14 PM:

" They may seem to be working just fine but there are obvious problems under the surface.
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That's odd, because the American health care system DOESN'T seem to be working just fine, because the glaringly obvious problems ARE NOT below the surface. "

father bob wrote on Jul 23, 2009 4:29 PM:

" Senator Bernie Sanders points out that its not the job of the Senate to protect the private health care industry, but to make sure there is real health care reform in this country.

What a concept, huh? (TZ)

http://tinyurl.com/nb6cd4 "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 4:47 PM:

" " Senator Bernie Sanders points out that its not the job of the Senate to protect the private health care industry, but to make sure there is real health care reform in this country.

I seriously doubt that Bernie Sanders gets much of that 1.6 dollars (a day) that the health care industry spends buying congress off, fb. "

father bob wrote on Jul 23, 2009 5:08 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 23, 2009 4:14 PM:
" They may seem to be working just fine but there are obvious problems under the surface.
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That's odd, because the American health care system DOESN'T seem to be working just fine, because the glaringly obvious problems ARE NOT below the surface. """""

the HR director at my old company said their premiums increased 24% when they renewed last month. and the healthcare companies are posting record profits....go figure! can you say l-o-b-b-y-i-n-g? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 7:57 PM:

" OBAMA: ON SECOND THOUGHT, IT'S TOTALLY OKAY FOR CONGRESS NOT TO PASS OBAMACARE BY AUGUST

Well, no, champ, it's not okay. It's a huge, potentially crippling setback, and a personal embarrassment for him that his big health-care ShamWow Infomercial pep talk last night which even his fans in the punditocracy are panning was greeted this morning by Harry Reid deciding to pull the plug before the dire "deadline."
And wouldn't you just know it- the ratings for his press conference last night were half what they were for his first primetime ShamWow BS-er. My my my that Hope-n-Changey sure faded fast. And it left an awful stench behind. *sniff* *sniff* Smells like Liberal fantasies burning in here. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:06 PM:

" JOBLESS CLAIMS JUMP AGAIN, POLLS SHOW DECLINE IN CONFIDENCE FOR PORKULUS

WASHINGTON The number of newly laid-off workers seeking jobless benefits rose last week, though the government said its report again was distorted by the timing of auto plant shutdowns.

The increase follows two straight weeks of sharp drops largely because automakers didn't lay off as many workers as expected in early July. General Motors and Chrysler temporarily shut down many of their plants earlier than usual this year, in May and June, after filing for bankruptcy protection and restructuring their companies.

A department analyst said the government's seasonal adjustment process expected claims to drop sharply last week, after the normal pattern of auto layoffs was complete. But that didn't happen, causing seasonally-adjusted claims to rise.

Weekly claims remain far above the 300,000 to 350,000 that analysts say is consistent with a healthy economy. New claims last fell below 300,000 in early 2007. The lowest level this year was 488,000 for the week ended Jan. 3.
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But but but......Obama said that that Stimulus bill that we just absolutely had to pass ASAP was going to have immediate results. Looks like he was right. It's a success!

No wonder no one trusts this putz anymore. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:33 PM:

" MORE HEARTACHE: EVEN DIE-HARD LIBERAL SUSAN ESTRICH READY TO WALK AWAY FROM OBAMACARE

"The president is "not familiar" with the bill. No one can explain how it will work yet, as Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., told a contentious town meeting. There are various plans, and negotiations are still in the early stages.

But whatever it is, we should be for it.

Am I missing something?

We're only talking about our health and our kids' health, the things my mother, may she rest in peace, told me a thousand times are the only things worth caring about. If you have your health, you have everything. And if you don't, what in the world matters more than the best health care in the world, which is found right here?

Not by everybody, mind you, and not cheaply, for anybody. No one's suggesting for a moment that there aren't major problems with both access and cost. But the best health care in the world is still here, and before we take steps that could make things much worse, I'd like to be very certain that they will indeed make things much better.

Your health, as I now tell my children, is not something to fool around with. Read the labels. Don't take unnecessary risks. Look before you leap. The devil is in the details.

Why would it be different for a health care plan?

I'm glad no one is calling me to ask whether I "support" health care reform. At this point, the question -- and the polls measuring people's answers to it -- is utterly meaningless. What is health care reform?

......But I'm not willing to give up my doctor or the time I spend with him. I'm not willing to give up the relationship we have. My children, now grown, feel as comfortable calling him as I do because he has taken the time with them over the years to build that trust.

And no matter how high the final price tag on those tests have been, never once have I said, "If I'd known how much they would cost, I wouldn't have had them done." No, I'm grateful for my insurance, grateful for the technology, grateful for good care.
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Gosh Mr Potter, what's happening to all your Democrats? They're starting to sound...........like Republicans. Thank you President Obama.

*snicker*

;-) "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 8:36 PM:

" Wow! Is there a full moon out tonight? Must be, as the stalking troll Sybil seems to be worked even more than usual. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:02 PM:

" OBAMA: I'M PRAYING TO GOD FOR GUIDANCE "ALL THE TIME" NOW

WASHINGTON (AP) President Barack Obama says he's gone from praying nightly before going to bed to praying all the time because he has a "lot of stuff" on his plate and needs "guidance all the time."

Obama made the comments in an interview to air Thursday on ABC's "Nightline."
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"Behold I am the Lord thy God. I shall have no strange Obama-gods before me."

Gosh. Isn't it amazing how dwindling poll numbers suddenly bring Icarus plummeting back down to earth? Now would be a really good time for all the resident Atheist-Liberals in here to go on one of their ravenous hate-fests of all things Christian, and taunt and jeer at all of those "stupid" believers.

Go ahead. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:17 PM:

" Looks like Mr Potter isn't interested in hearing about Obama's disastrous day. All of a sudden Harry's cavernous mouth is strangely faint. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:32 PM:

" Hey fb, did you hear a mouse fart? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 10:10 PM:

" " Hey fb, did you hear a mouse fart? "
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Why? Did you say something Mr Potter? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 23, 2009 10:12 PM:

" POLL: EVEN MORE DECLINE IN CONFIDENCE IN OBAMA'S PORKULUS

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that only 25% of U.S. voters now say the stimulus plan has helped the economy. Thats a six-point drop from a month ago.

Thirty-one percent (31%) say the stimulus actually hurt the economy, little changed from a month ago. However, this is the first poll showing that more voters believe the plan hurt rather than helped.

A plurality (36%) says the plan has had no impact.
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Coming soon: Obama- "We just absolutely have to pass Porkulus II. It's simply too important to fail!"......"And would somebody please throw me a bone on ObamaCare?"....*sob*.....

I want to extend a giant "Thank You" to all the Liberal tools who put this stupendous a**clown into office. It would be hilarious if it weren't completely killing our country. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:09 AM:

" (The Question wrote on Jul 23, 2009 2:35 PM: " Unfortunately, Republicans like to diagnose the PROBLEM in American health care-- obscene profits diverted from being used to actually pay for medical attention-- as the SOLUTION. ")
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Let me put my Liberal Hat on here:

Define "obscene" for me TQ. Does it possibly include those rocking $6000.00 handbags sported by Michele Obama? Or those million-dollar nights on Broadway that the Obamas are known to enjoy in the middle of this "stimulated" Depression? Or maybe your not offended that the ever fashion conscious Michelle O' served up porridge to the homeless at a D.C. shelter wearing a pair of $540 Lanvin sneakers? Or perhaps you wouldn't want to deem "obscene", the nearly $115 million profit that Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed in 2008? Not "obscene" enough for you say? Well maybe your outrage can be stoked by the fact that the abortion giant made those "obscene" profits AFTER taxpayers kicked in more than $336 million dollars worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. Uhm....that's a third of Planned Parenthood's budget. That's mighty "obscene" isn't it? Or is it? Oh and, we haven't even begun to discuss those "obscene" profits of those corrupt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac CEO's. And wasn't that AFTER being convicted of cooking the books? Uhm....yes. I believe it was.

Let us know were that "moral" line is drawn TQ. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:32 AM:

" the HR director at my old company said their premiums increased 24% when they renewed last month. and the healthcare companies are posting record profits....go figure! can you say l-o-b-b-y-i-n-g? "

I've heard that fb, in fact I've heard of even higher raises in premiums. I guess the insurance giants was to get in all the can before the reforms hit, sort of like the credit card companies and hitting their customers with all sorts of fees and interest increases.

Sort of reminds me of what the oil companies did a few years ago during the phony shortage. Record profits and bonus for the top dogs seems to be a habit with some companies these days.

I'm having a hard time wondering why someone is having such a hissy fit on this thread over health care when we're probably paying for his health care now. Most minimum wage jobs don't provide health care, and given his antisocial personality, I can't imagine him doing any better than low paying menial type work. lol! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:48 AM:

" Boy, oh boy... as often as the far-left poster The Question gets published underneath of the Your Posts section in the paper, one has to wonder whether The Question is an employed editor for the JG-TC or whether the editors of the JG-TC are just so far left that they can't help but publish The Questions perpetual drivel?

Either or, some "things" are pretty self-evident now, aren't they? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 9:18 AM:

" The following is dedicated to poster Chet Steadman who operates under the delusion that anyone who opposes Obama just can't be doing it for racist reasons:

GRAND PRAIRIE Four Grand Prairie police officers and a dispatcher are on paid administrative leave after a racist e-mail about President Barack Obama was circulated, and the local NAACP chapter is asking whether a recent round of diversity training was for naught.

The e-mail came from outside the department, but the officers opened and/or forwarded it, said Detective John Brimmer, a Grand Prairie police spokesman. "

father bob wrote on Jul 24, 2009 9:34 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 23, 2009 9:32 PM:
" Hey fb, did you hear a mouse fart? """""

oh....you mean the blithering, babbling, mouth-breather? i scrolled down the page and see it's been busy. glad i don't actually take time to read anything it posts....

seems like such a waste of good bandwidth "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jul 24, 2009 10:35 AM:

" " an icon of modern-day journalism and information has been sold to china....

what next?

http://tinyurl.com/avthz3 "
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Ahhhh-yup....

"Potato-Faced Youngster Lauded For Memorizing Primitive 26-Character Alphabet"

Ah yeah...that's about your speed... "

father bob wrote on Jul 24, 2009 12:07 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:32 AM:
"I'm having a hard time wondering why someone is having such a hissy fit on this thread over health care when we're probably paying for his health care now.""""

i'm sure we are.....and more. "

father bob wrote on Jul 24, 2009 2:17 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Jul 24, 2009 10:35 AM:
""Potato-Faced Youngster Lauded For Memorizing Primitive 26-Character Alphabet" Ah yeah...that's about your speed... """"""

obviously satire and humor are wasted on you mouthbreathers. "

The Question wrote on Jul 24, 2009 2:36 PM:

" To underline your point, Harry, did you notice that the conservative activist Dr. David McKalip, in order to attack Obama's plan to provide affordable health care to Americans, has sent out a Photoshopped image of Obama depicted as a African witch doctor with a bone in his nose? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 3:29 PM:

" " To underline your point, Harry, did you notice that the conservative activist Dr. David McKalip, in order to attack Obama's plan to provide affordable health care to Americans, has sent out a Photoshopped image of Obama depicted as a African witch doctor with a bone in his nose? "

No, I missed that one, Q. But I have noticed that some (not all) of his opposition have been playing the race card a lot. This is evident with the birthers. Note that every time they make the rediculous claim he was not born in the USA they bring up Kenya. Their intent is pretty obvious, don't you think? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 3:34 PM:

" Childish Mr Rogers imitations won't get you quoted in the paper, neo. Try posting something with substance once in a while, and it might make the printed version of the paper.

Your ongoing disgruntled posts whining about Obama won't do it either.

But please don't stop, we all need someone to laugh at.
lol!. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 4:02 PM:

" oh....you mean the blithering, babbling, mouth-breather? i scrolled down the page and see it's been busy. glad i don't actually take time to read anything it posts....

Yup, that would be the one.... "

The Question wrote on Jul 24, 2009 4:33 PM:

" Note that every time they make the ridiculous claim he was not born in the USA they bring up Kenya. Their intent is pretty obvious, don't you think?
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Of course, Harry. The crazy crackers don't need any of that pesky, elitist "empirical evidence." They just KNOW that one of "those people" cannot POSSIBLY be president of the United States. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 5:35 PM:

" Stay tuned folks, it's about time for the Doh...oops I mean stalking troll show. lol!

Look out, here he comes... "

JR wrote on Jul 24, 2009 6:47 PM:

" In all fairness to those who criticized the letter writer (and a bit of a rebuke to those who hopped in with the "you don't know Karen" -- nowhere in the original letter did it ever mention that the 8 yo. was a granddaughter, or that the Deremiah's were of retirement age.
Admittedly, my first reaction was -- why would someone retire while having an 8 yo. daughter? Why doesn't this woman come out of retirement?
So, for whatever reason, the original letter was a bit -- confusing. But no matter really -- I fail to see where the original letter writer is driving with her comments. What exactly are you wanting from health care?
If you want "free" care then be prepared to get less quality and longer waits for care, even to the point of rationing -- meaning they tell you they won't do more than give you a pill, as you are no longer a good care "risk" (aka. you aren't worth putting the money into). If you want good health care then be prepared for it to cost more money than free.
We could perhaps stem the costs a bit and keep the choice/quality up by tort reform, doing something about purging the system of illegals, encourage more family practice clinics, and (possilby) putting a cap on profit margin within the health and health insurance industries (although this is a double edged sword). But the healthcare bill as it stands now will likely get you...something like the VA hospitals. If any of you know what the vast majority of VA hospitals are like, please enlighten those who don't. And those who don't please listen, as it will be you and your families that would be cared for by like -- so it might be important.
For myself, having had to deal with the VA system, I want no part of any government run healthcare system like they are suggesting in Washington. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Jul 24, 2009 7:34 PM:

" * obamulism: if i was purple * ate apple pie * smoked cuban cigars * had an intern who was chinese * surfed 50 foot waves * and relaxed in a lazy boy while reading home and gardens * i would still suck * and i don't need a teleprompter to tell me that * "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:05 PM:

" Bushism:

I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:11 PM:

" DEMS WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE'S HEALTH THREATEN TO RAM OBAMACARE THRU- FOR POLITICAL REASONS

THE HILL (July 24 2009) Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) says there is "no alternative" but to have healthcare legislation bypass his Energy and Commerce Committee if Blue Dog Democrats don't accept a deal worked out Friday.

Waxman is now playing a game of legislative chicken with the Blue Dogs. He's hoping the inclusion of a study on Medicare reimbursement rates in the healthcare overhaul will be enough to placate the centrist Democrats, who say the government program short-changes hospitals and physicians in their rural districts.

If thats not, the seven Blue Dogs could join with the committee's Republicans to "eviscerate" healthcare reform, and thats something Waxman will not tolerate.

"I won't allow them to hand over control of our committee to Republicans," Waxman told reporters.

"I dont see what other alternative we have, because we're not going to let them empower Republicans on the committee."
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Now remember folks; Democrats really really care about you poor little working class stiffs. That's why they want to force-feed you this disastrous health care t*rd that they wouldn't dream of having for themselves or their families. Oh and, it has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. Honest.

How's that Hope-and-Change tasting? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:14 PM:

" Countdown to Harry Potter's deeply intellectual twelve year old school yard antics with his assertion:

"Told you so, there he is. I predicted it!" "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 24, 2009 8:58 PM:

" OBAMA- "The American people understand that we've got a big hole that we've got to dig ourselves out of"
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Uhm.....somebody needs to tell Barry that you don't DIG your way out of a hole. I guess that explains the Harvard genius behind Porkulus huh. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 24, 2009 9:07 PM:

" WASHINGTON House Democrats announced agreement Friday on far-reaching steps designed to rein in the relentless growth of Medicare, part of a concerted effort to counter the impression that President Barack Obama's health care legislation is in deep trouble.

What's this? Hmmm... Looks like the right wing whack jobs need to ratchet it up a little more. LOL! "

what wrote on Jul 24, 2009 10:25 PM:

" Insurance, drugs, the medical care industry. Three very powerful lobbies. Who stands to gain the most from a government mandate concerning health care? Us or them? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 PM:

" THE NOT-SO-HIDDEN VICTIMS OF OBAMACARE

WSJ (July 24 2009) Here are some of the groups on the menu if anything like the existing Senate or House health plans become law:

Young people. If the government mandates that everyone must have health insurance, healthy young people will have to buy policies that dont reflect the low risk they have of getting sick. The House and Senate bills do let insurers set premiums based on age, but only up to a 2-to-1 ratio, versus a real-world ratio of 5 to 1. This means lower prices for older (and wealthier) folks, but high prices for the young. Theyll have sticker shock, says Rep. Paul Ryan, ranking Republican on the Budget Committee.

Small Businesses. Employers who dont provide coverage will have to pay a tax up to 8% of their payroll. Yet those who do provide coverage also have to pay the taxif the law says their coverage is not adequate. Amazingly, even if a small business provides adequate insurance but its employees choose coverage in another plan offered through the government, the employer still must pay.

Health Savings Account (HSA) holders. Eight million Americans, according to the Treasury Department, are covered by plans with low-cost premiums and high deductibles that are designed for large, unexpected medical costs. Money is also set aside in a savings account to cover the deductibles, and whatever isnt spent in one year can build up tax-free. Nearly a third of new HSA users, according to Treasury figures, previously had no insurance or bought coverage on their own.
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I seriously doubt that any of the ObamaDrones in here have actually read any of this Health Care bill. All they know is what MSNBC, The HuffingtonPost and The DailyKos tell them. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 25, 2009 10:15 AM:

" POLL: OBAMA'S PRESSER BACKFIRED

Rasmussen (July 25 2009) The number who Strongly Disapprove of the President has increased slightly following the prime time press conference on Wednesday night. That figure -39% is now at the highest level yet recorded. As a result, the overall Approval Index has fallen to the lowest level yet recorded for this President.
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That "Hope and Change" drivel certainly has a short shelf-life doesn't it. "Yes We Can!" Uhm....No, you won't. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 25, 2009 2:54 PM:

" I seriously doubt that any of the ObamaHaters in here have actually read any of this Health Care bill. All they know is what Fox, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Insannity and the KKK tell them. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 25, 2009 9:47 PM:

" " I seriously doubt that any of the ObamaHaters in here have actually read any of this Health Care bill. All they know is what Fox, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Insannity and the KKK tell them. "
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Wrong as usual Mr Potter. I've sourced mainstream media outlets including your own beloved (Obama Network) MSNBC. And yes, I have read several portions of the bill.

You can read H.R.3200 for yourself- Harry:

http://tinyurl.com/mqswlo

Go ahead Harry. Take a good long look at the Hope and Change your Dictatorial President is trying to shove down the public's ever-resistant throat. It's about time you graduated from the rag gossip of the peanut gallery to some substantive news for a change. Your 65 years old; it's time to grow up Mr Potter. "

acd91 wrote on Jul 25, 2009 9:55 PM:

" Very well put, Harry Potter. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 26, 2009 6:26 PM:

" acd91 wrote on Jul 25, 2009 9:55 PM:
" Very well put, Harry Potter. "
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Hello Mr Potter. My you're certainly busy creating new names aren't you.

Count down to acd91's predictable response "I'm NOT Harry Potter, 7X! You're just crazy!" in 3.....2.....1..... "

Mama says wrote on Jul 31, 2009 5:34 AM:

" On medicare now, $96 cost to me for Part B, PartD, costs $109 a month.
I pay copays on all medications now.
I will receive a batterypowered chair but if want lift on vehicle cost to me is $1595, includes labor put on bumper.
Nothing is FREE. I have son age 20 and am 65, no fertility pill help, but wouldn't trade him for a million bucks.
WE never had food stamps. I fixed mac n cheese, spaghetti, chili mac, salads, we had fruit and veggies, ate oatmeal and felt lucky ate at all. Ate eggs,
if lucky bought some bacon, the 5 lb hams for $6.95 I bought and made numerous dishes which were quite good.
Good neighbors brought me tomatoes and veg in summer which helped a lot. Having own tomato plants and some gardening done saves money but does require not sitting on ones butt.
I found the TV told truth on the medical supply delivery to door and can buy three months medications for less than the pharmacies in area. I couldn't seem be able receive the $4 for my medication. My insulin $99 a bottle locally since on medicare not wanna pay much on that but did thru the medical supply three month plan.

SAVED money changing vehicle insurance and homeowners insurance. SAVED going on the phone, internet, cable plan.
SAVED on the medications by shopping and found the SHIP TO HOME, now I don't have bother others pick my meds up either.

Being 65 and disabled isnt a fun thing but I am not depressed, nor grouchy, and enjoy the cable, and help others give. Makes one appreciative. I have friend who brings me chicken meal, or sandwichs from town, makes me feel special. A good milkshake was brought.
Oh my been ages since had a milkshake.

Hang in there folks. "