" I actually agree with some segments of what got lumped in with GOP gloom and doom scare talking points. I even thought the antitax T parties were a great opportunity for people of all parties to stand together against the tyrants on all levels pushing tax, fees and max levy hikes, to keep lining their bloated budgets and not shouldering any responsibility, or performing their basic responsibilities to taxpayers. Right up until it got hijacked to being more of a GOP rally for being sore losers in yet another election, instead of common ground for all parties to rally together on, it hit home with many.

Up until jan 22, it was unpatriotic to cast dispersions at a sitting administration. Almost 6 months into the job, is now plenty of time to start shoveling blame, but in sept 2001 only 8 months had passed since taking office, and blame got shifted to the predacessor. Teflon suits and double standards, keep marginalizing an out of touch party.

Here is some information I found on the history of the federal deficit in the last 100 years. Giving the year and the deficts percentage of the GDP. Negative numbers mean surplus, positive ones mean deficit.

1900 to 1914, it only gets up to .20; 1918, it spikes 11.88; 1919 16.16; 1920 its back in the black -.68; it stays around there, until 1931, .17; working up to 1936, 4.76; 1942, 12.04; 1943, 28.05; 1944, 22.35; 1945, 24.06; 1946, 9.05; followed by 3 years of surplus, where it goes back to fluctuating close to balanced. Stays below 2.76 which hit in 1968, then in 1975 it goes to 3.25. Up to 1992 it averages 3.6. 1993 on it progresses down to 4 years of surplus from 1998 to 2001 with a high of -2.41 in the black. 2002 its back to deficit, 1.51; 2003, 3.44; 2004, 3.53; 2005, 2.56; 2006, 1.88; 2007, 1.16; 2008, 3.21; projected 2009 12.93.

Many folks can use the time line and coincide it with various events in our nations history. For example, World War II, took the deficit to a high of 28.05% of GDP, in 1943. By 1947 it was already back to a slight surplus.

Some folks might remember masters in business from harvard GW, hating to see slight budget surplus, even after more than 2 decades of 3.6 average deficit, and issuing token stimulus checks, rather than paying off the annual loans that had been building on the national debt clock, for many years.

Decades of failed policy and waste have been etched in debt. Responsibilities were ignored, domestic reinvestment has been nill, infrastructure had been completely and catastophicly failing across the country, for years.

At some point constantly ignoring last years overspending became water under the bridge, doing absolute wonders for the strength of the US dollar. Evidently the weak dollar was preferred to fiscal responsibility, so more and more countries with increasingly stronger currencies could invest in buying things, including debt up. This dynamic has contributed to many broad issues, and probably has played a large part in job exportation. Many companies are probably far better off, limiting their exposures to the dollar, while it is constantly at risk of losing ground to most currencies, including the peso.

The old saying sometimes you have to spend money and invest, to make money is what is now happening. Is the US worth actually investing in its self, for a change? It seems many don't feel it is.

GDP is way down with the recession, that most now agree began headed to freefall winter 07/08. It was almost fall, even after some pretty big harbingers, before responding to growing issues began. They evidently simply hoped it would hold out unraveling completely until after Jan 22.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Ignore, misdiagnose, or treat symptoms with placebos or the wrong medicine, and a simple cold can become pneumonia. Bubble conditions were preferable to sustainable fiscally sound principles, stops and existing protections were shifted or removed to simply keep bubbles able to grow even more. Issues back to ENRON, Worldcom, and TYCO, were swept under the rug or ignored. Had those fundamental issues been properly confronted in a timely fashion, sustainability might have deflated bubbles to responsible growth that could be maintained. Ignoring them completely led directly to many more companies being overextended and hitting the wall at once.

Irresponsible behavior has consequences. Fixing failure usually has a far steeper price than effective responsible prevention measures. "

" I read where Goldman Sachs has already repaid 10 billion dollars of bailout money. What does that do to Jack's gloom and doom predictions? What will the naysayers have to say when this gets repeated by other companies as the economy rebounds? I seem to recall the results of the federal government's bailout of Chrysler several years back. A lot of jobs were saved by that action. "

" all is lost.....

old gloom-and-doom on his "A" game. "

" I also just read about the new health care plan that passed a senate panel, it would REQUIRE all Americans to buy Health Insurance or be fined. Let's see, poor people can't afford to buy health insurance so we're going to fine them. Works for me. All we really need to do is round up the 47 million people who can't afford insurance and send them to the gas chamber, hey, it worked for Hitler, Get rid of a certain part of the population and everything will be better. "

" According to ABC news, CIT Group Inc provides the funding for 60 to 70 of Americas small businesses. CIT needs a bailout to get through the current crisis.

Would Jack have 60 to 70 percent of the small business go under? His simple and often naive misunderstanding of the American economy fails to take into account the fragile financial realities of the small business world. Thank God we have a president who understands this and is trying to keep this country afloat. "

" Medic it scares me to think that a bill passed the Senate that requires people to buy insurance. Heck thats why many people don't have it now they can't afford it. Requiring those on fixed or limited incomes or those making minimum wage who are barely scraping by as it is, is just wrong on every level. The fines would only rack up when the people couldn't afford the insurance making them have even less money for basics; of food, shelter, water, power, and clothing. "

" medic57 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:02 AM:

" I also just read about the new health care plan that passed a senate panel, it would REQUIRE all Americans to buy Health Insurance or be fined."""""


you're full of ......hockey pucks "

" Excellant post Mr. Pierce. "

" Poor old HP, fb, TQ and the rest of the posse.

Here the nation finally was rid of that double headed monster and then to top that, your wildest dreams were answered. The anointed one came to power.

You owned the senate, the house and the anointed one was in power.

Oh my, Ill bet more than you leg tingled.

Just when things were going so well for you oops, six months in and the bottom has is falling out on you.

Oh my, it is so easy to over promise and under deliver isnt it?

The community organizer has been in office a little over six months and actually had to perform and by golly, he hasnt.

It just hasnt worked out for you has it?

Wednesday, July 15, 2009

Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll

Strongly Approve 29%
Strongly Disapprove 36%

Even worse for 2010, those dastardly Repub-a-clowns also continue to lead the Dummy-crats in eight of ten of the most important polling categories.

For the first time in a very long time the Repub-a-clowns actually continue to hold a very modest edge on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

How do they feel about your Dummy-crats proposed health plan?

Favor 46%
Opposed 49%

Gasp those poor voters being polled, what can they be thinking? "

" "It was written many years ago that no democracy could last more than 200 years before becoming bankrupt due to exorbitant spending."

I don't seem to remember who wrote that,
and I'm curious to see if Jack does???
Jack?? Enlighten us????

Jack is riding the same old horse
with the same old saddle......... "

" BPS:"Just when things were going so well for you oops, six months in and the bottom has is falling out on you. "

Like Rip Van Winkle, looks like BPS was
asleep the latter part of 2008.
We should remind him that that the bottom fell out in summer about a year ago. His buddy GWB, admitted in the 2000 campaign he didn't know nothing about a budget but that it was a "bunch of numbers". So George sat in the corner, one thumb in his mouth, the other in his XXX and trying to decide when to change thumbs.Meanwhile Secretary Paulson, acting president, was pushing the first bailouts over the cliff.
Sorry that BPS has forgotten that the first bailouts were done before January 20th. So maybe BPS should ask George and Henry how THEIR plan is working out...... "

" Father Bob


WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the fines will raise around $36 billion over 10 years. Senate aides said the penalties would be modeled on the approach taken by Massachusetts, which now imposes a fine of about $1,000 a year on individuals who refuse to get coverage. Under the federal legislation, families would pay higher penalties than individuals.



Now, what do families do that live on minimum wages, and there are plenty. "

" It's Not An Option


Investors Business Daily's editors quickly read through the actual legislation of the House health-care reform bill looking for hidden time bombs and they found a *Doozy*


IBD July 15 2009- "It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal. When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section
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No wonder the Democrats want to "Rahm" this piece of Liberal-Tyranny through Congress ASAP. "

" Father Bob

By the way, that 36 Billion will be collected from the poorest. "

" medic57 wrote: Now, what do families do that live on minimum wages, and there are plenty. "



Minimum wage, you make that much, I wouldn't know what to do with $8 an hour. "

" i see the losers are in full force this morning....

popcorn anyone? "

" medic57 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:24 AM:
" Father Bob


WASHINGTON (AP) - Americans who refuse to buy affordable medical coverage could be hit with fines of more than $1,000 under a health care overhaul bill unveiled Thursday by key Senate Democrats looking to fulfill President Barack Obama's top domestic priority."""""




that is totally false....

. The bill calls for the government to provide financial assistance with premiums for individuals and families making up to four times the federal poverty level, or about $88,000 for a family of four, a broad cross-section of the middle class. "

" HIRING! 'Grassroots' work to promote Obama's healthcare pays $11-16 per hour...

See for yourself: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/gov/1272054051.html


It looks like the Obama "astroturfing" goes beyond Acorn's efforts to buy the White House. "

" Social Security spends $700,000 on Phoenix conference: Airfare, hotel entertainment, dancers...

According to an investigative report by ABCNews in Phoenix.
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I just don't know *how* we can possibly cut any more government spending- do you?

Hey- I know, let's increase taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, soft drinks, small businesses, energy companies, and those evil despicable rich people.
That certainly won't effect the 95% of us hard-working tax-paying cattle, will it?

Hope-and-PocketChange...... "

" MINIMUM WAGE

Source: http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2008.htm

Minimum wage workers tend to be young.

Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly-paid workers, they made up HALF of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less.

Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 11 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with just 2 percent of workers age 25 and over. "

" father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:30 AM:

" i see the losers are in full force this morning....

popcorn anyone? "



I assume by losers, you are talking about people who make less than you do. "

" Dear "father bob",


Bombshell: CBO chief tells Congress ObamaCare will "significantly expand" federal spending:

The cat's all the way out of the bag now.

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ABCNews July 16 2009- Here's a blow to President Obama and Democrats pressing health care reform.

One of the main arguments made by the President and others for investing in health reform now is that it will save the federal government money in the long run by containing costs.

Turns out that may not be the case, according to Doug Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
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Go ahead "fatherbob" polish the ObamaCare t*rd now. "

" Bombshell: CBO chief tells Congress ObamaCare will "significantly expand" federal spending:


ABCNews July 16 2009- Here's a blow to President Obama and Democrats pressing health care reform.

One of the main arguments made by the President and others for investing in health reform now is that it will save the federal government money in the long run by containing costs.

Turns out that may not be the case, according to Doug Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
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Yet *another* Obama lie exposed. "

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 11:20 AM:
" HIRING! 'Grassroots' work to promote Obama's healthcare pays $11-16 per hour...

See for yourself: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/gov/1272054051.html

.......

Just an fyi....
The post has been removed from that site, in case ya want to update.... "

" "Just an fyi....
The post has been removed from that site, in case ya want to update.... "
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Ruh-Roh looks like The White House scrubbed it.

Thanks Rockin Rotty. "

" Rockin Rotty wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:24 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 11:20 AM:
" HIRING! 'Grassroots' work to promote Obama's healthcare pays $11-16 per hour...

See for yourself: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/gov/1272054051.html""""""



darn it rotty.....you probably erased Doh's next tryst, making those big bucks on the down-low. "

" Cognitus wrote on Jul 16, 2009 12:22 AM:
Sorry that BPS has forgotten that the first bailouts were done before January 20th. So maybe BPS should ask George and Henry how THEIR plan is working out...... "
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Oh, my answers to youre - by the way - question:

First a basic civics reminder- the Senate and the House must pass any bill BEFORE it is sent to the setting President to sign.

In the case of any and all bills ALL three share the responsibility for every bill that becomes law.

THE DUMMY-CRATS TOOK TOTAL CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND HAD A 51 TO 49 SENATE SEAT MAJORITY ON NOV 8, 2006.

TROUBLED ASSET RELIEF PROGRAM- PASSED OCT., 2008

Yep, signed by Bush AFTER being passed by a Dummy-crat majority controlled House and Senate.

AH, THAT WAS JUST ONE MONTH SHORT OF TWO YEARS AFTER THE DUMMY-CRATS HAD THE POWER TO STOP ANYTHING BUSH TRIED.

GEE, GUESS YOU FORGOT THAT?

So I guess you are ready to add old Nancy, Harry and the rest of the Dummy-crat posse to that question hum?

Ready to admit that they both did it to us, right?

Sigh, it is both parties doing it to us Dummy-crat.

They will continue to do it to you and us until enough of us finally wake up, quit voting for a party and vote the bums out! "

" Father Bob

I can see it now as far as the Government helping pay the premiums.

I'm from the Government and I'm here to help. "

" Harry and FB, did you see that that other Republican brain trust, Texas Gov. Rick Perry the man who rejected the $555 million in federal stimulus money that would have expanded unemployment benefits for Texans is now BEGGING for federal money? AFTER talking about seceding from the nation!
I'd give him the money just as soon as he dresses up in a top hat and tails and sings "Buddy, Can You Spare a Dime?" to the American taxpayers for putting up with his moronic posturing. "

" medic57 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:52 PM:
" Father Bob

I can see it now as far as the Government helping pay the premiums.

I'm from the Government and I'm here to help. """""



yeah well.....whatever

i personally am tired of spending just shy of $14,0000 a year for healthcare for two healthy people. but hey, if you're happy with your plan, you'll be able to keep it....knock yourself out! "

" I don't know WHEN I've seen more s****y
information flying thru the air -- put on your raincoat and pull on your boots.
We're in for a rough ride; the river is rising.
Re the Questions's observation about Gov Perry who can't decide whether or not he wants federal money -- how discouraging. I thought since he threatened to seceede, he was already gone --- and now Question comes along and tells me Texas is still one of us.
How discouraging; I thought by getting rid of only 1 out of 50 states, we had disposed of about 37% of the aXXheads
in the country. "

" Cognitus wrote on Jul 17, 2009 10:07 AM:
"I thought by getting rid of only 1 out of 50 states, we had disposed of about 37% of the aXXheads
in the country. """""


you said a mouthful there Cognitus. governor ricky got so infatuated with his television exposure, he seemed to forget he just might want to get re-elected to some office at some point in time.....not that he could give a sh*t about the unemployed or the underemployed who need a hand once in a while. oil money tends to make one blind to the working class. "

" " I don't know WHEN I've seen more s****y
information flying thru the air...
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How about...every time you post...

Now go on a rant about great you are, how the world can't live without music, and how great your children are... "

" " "It was written many years ago that no democracy could last more than 200 years before becoming bankrupt due to exorbitant spending." I don't seem to remember who wrote that,
and I'm curious to see if Jack does???
Jack?? Enlighten us????
Jack is riding the same old horse
with the same old saddle......... "
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Derived from the "Playfair cycle" it's about as relevant as anything Marx, Engel, Keynes, or the neo-Marxist/Socialist Obama proposed/proposes. "

" father bob tells us this > " i personally am tired of spending just shy of $14,0000 a year for healthcare for two healthy people. but hey, if you're happy with your plan, you'll be able to keep it....knock yourself out! "
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To that I say I think you are telling a lie. I do not believe for one second you pay one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year in health care. "

" "....not that he could give a sh*t about the unemployed or the underemployed who need a hand once in a while...."
--------------------------

"And now for nominees for best child actor in a dramatic role...." "

" " i personally am tired of spending just shy of $14,0000 a year for healthcare for two healthy people. but hey, if you're happy with your plan, you'll be able to keep it....knock yourself out! "
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In one small post "father bob" manages two enormous fibs.

First- I don't believe for one second that you're paying $140000 a year on health care.

Second- under the ObamaCare bill people will *not* be able to keep their current plan.

[From Investors Business Daily (July 15 2009)- "the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law. The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs."]

As usual bob- you're full of it. "

" i personally am tired of spending just shy of $14,0000 a year for healthcare for two healthy people. but hey, if you're happy with your plan, you'll be able to keep it....knock yourself out! "



Father Bob

I haven't had health care since 1988. With Diabtes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral, I have yet to find a health care provider who will cover me at any cost. By the way, I didn't make $14,000.00 last year. "

" Another Joe Biden, "Bidenism":

We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt "

" Joe Biden, "Bidenism":

One thing is clear: These weapons must be must be dislodged from Saddam, or Saddam must be dislodged from power. "

" Joe Biden, "Bidenism":

We're doing things that we know are going to save you, your children and your grand children billions of dollars over the next years. But we're not able to prove it."

Any wonder why the country's not fiscally responsible now? "

" Address the root problem. The drug, insurance and medical care industries govern their so called governers. "

" You've got to love the way right wingers condemn ordinary Americans for wanting to secure decent wages, health care and retirement benefits through union representation, but have no problem with CEOs grabbing billions through "deregulated" financial manipulations that benefit no one but the CEOs' Swiss bank accounts.
These right wingers are cheering for the economic destruction of this nation, and they're either too stupid to know it, or too corrupt to care. Or both. "

" During the VP debates when asked if she supported capping carbon emissions, Palin emphatically stated "I do, I do."

Obviously pandering to corporate interests, Palin suddenly is against them. What happened Sarah? Forgetting you former constituents in Alaska?

Now that she is wanting to move to a bigger stage, she's proving what a lot of have said along, that she is nothing more than a scheming politician looking for anything that will get into the inner circle of right wing ideologues.

During the next several months I predict she will even out flip-flop Mitt Romney on her positions. It's going to be entertaining watching this valueless nit wit perform her act on the national stage.

If she want to be seriously considered she will have to interview with legitimate news outlets who will not throw her softballs like she got from the Fox comedy news channel. We all remember how she did when getting real interviews and asked real question with substance.

Inane blurbs on Twitter won't get her to the White House. "

" By definition, a stalker is a coward, like all bullies, like all who attack from behind, or in the dark.


I would agree with that... "

" medic57 wrote on Jul 17, 2009 6:14 PM:

"I haven't had health care since 1988. With Diabtes, Epilepsy, High Blood Pressure and High Cholesteral, I have yet to find a health care provider who will cover me at any cost. By the way, I didn't make $14,000.00 last year. """""


then YOU need to support and advocate for healthcare reform too. write you congessmen and tell them to support the bill. "

" Hey did anybody see the Taliban video on the internet of the captured US soldier?

Poor guy, and especially since OBAMA, REID, and PELOSI PROCLAIMED THAT WE LOST OVER THERE months ago.

It's a shame, really. Since we LOST why is the guy over there in the first place?

Just more FAILED LEADERSHIP FROM OBAMA.... "

" Remember back to the first week in September, when it seemed like every day there was a new gate? Actually, believe it or not, Troopergate used to be known as Palingate in Alaska because we naively believed there was only one. Oh, how innocent we were.

Since that long ago time, our naivete has fallen away, and gates have been springing up like mushrooms all over Alaska: Troopergate, babygate, bookgate, pastorgatethe list seemed endless. Add to that a whole host of more recent and harder to say gates Leaving-your-town-in-debt-gate, collecting-per-diem-while-living-at-home-gate, charging-victims-for-rape-kits-gate, trying-to-rid-the-world-of-wolves-and-polar-bears-gate, and weve been busy people.

But now, a brand new gate surfaces: House Gate....
Mudflats-

Instead of the Moose Queen, we should be calling her the "Gate" Queen. "

" South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, still clinging to office after admitting to an extramarital affair, wrote in an opinion piece released Sunday that God will change him so he can emerge from the scandal a more humble and effective leader.
ABC news-

When all else fails, play the religion card. That usually goes over with the redneck crowd. "

" ....neocons are commited to shooting themselves in the foot as often as they can...
Internet blogger-

All you have to do is tune into the daily political events to see this. "

" WASHINGTON - The House Intelligence Committee will investigate whether the CIA broke the law by not telling Congress earlier about a secret program to deploy hit teams to kill individual al-Qaida members, the committee chairman said Friday.

CIA Director Leon Panetta told the committee about the program on June 24, and said he had only learned of the program a day earlier. He also said he canceled it himself.

By law, the House and Senate intelligence committees must be kept informed of significant intelligence activities or anticipated activities.
AP-

Cheney's going down....It can't happen too soon. "

" I noticed in the local real estate transactions that FutureGen Alliance in Washington DC has purchased between 4 and 5 acres of land for a whopping $750,000. Does anyone know what the story is on this? Why the enormous cost per acre? "

" Bushism:

"They misunderestimated me".

Actually no. we didn't many of us were on to you from day one, it took the rest of the country a little longer. "

" This is a verbatim account of how Sarahcuda answered when asked about the bailout:

Ultimately,
What the bailout does
Is help those who are concerned
About the health care reform
That is needed
To help shore up our economy,
Helping the--
It's got to be all about job creation, too.

Shoring up our economy
And putting it back on the right track.
So health care reform
And reducing taxes
And reining in spending
Has got to accompany tax reductions
And tax relief for Americans.
And trade.

We've got to see trade
As opportunity
Not as a competitive, scary thing.
But one in five jobs
Being created in the trade sector today,
We've got to look at that
As more opportunity.
All those things.


Seriously, she said that, and to think we were confused when Bush spoke. "

" Cheneyism:



"I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." (like five draft deferments) "

" Cheneyism:

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." (on Iraq occupation) "

" Tell us about Joe Biden's draft deferments Mr Potter. "

" Harry Potter

South Carolina's Governor needs to step down, while I believe that God can truely transform him, I also believe the he has abused the trust of the people, more than once, according to him. God can help and transform him, he just doesn't need to be Governor while he is being transformed.


Harry

As far as Bush and Cheney going down, I wouldn't hold my breath, no sitting president is going to prosecute a former Prez or VP for fear of having the same thing done to himself in the future. "

" You know Harry you love to attempt to show Palin's "ignorance", but why not be fair, as you say you are. Why not show everyone the ignorance of our Vice President. Oh that's right it's only fair to go after someone who has an (R) after their name. "

" " You know Harry you love to attempt to show Palin's "ignorance", but why not be fair, as you say you are. Why not show everyone the ignorance of our Vice President. Oh that's right it's only fair to go after someone who has an (R) after their name. "

I wasn't aware that Biden was ignorant, jr. Prone to gaffs while speaking, yes but certainly not ignorant. The last time I checked passing a bar exam in about any state takes a lot of smarts. Now Palin on the other hand shows her ignorance every time she opens her mouth. To put it simply, the woman is as dumb as dirt. And far as my partisanship goes, yes guilty as charged.

And hey, are you seriously claiming that Biden is as ignorant as Palin, who had no idea what the VP does or that Africa was a country? I could go on, but you get the point.

Come on jr, you can do better than that. "