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Wednesday, July 8, 2009 9:38 PM CDT
LETTER: Cap-trade bill will affect costs for every citizen

VIRGINIA DARE, Hindsboro

I wonder if anyone has noticed what is happening in Washington.

The cap and trade energy tax climate bill has passed the House and is heading to the Senate. It is the most invasive bill ever considered. We better hope it fails because if it doesn’t it is going to affect every citizen in ways you cannot imagine.

Eastern and FutureGen had better reconsider their plans because any power plant not meeting their strict code of green energy will be taxed extremely and it will be passed on to all consumers in their utility bill.

The bill is 1,200 pages long and an additional 300 pages were added and given to some Republicans at 3 a.m. the day of the vote (Friday) and not given time to read it again.

A Republican from Ohio, John Boehner, attempted to read portions of it aloud before the vote and one of the designers of the bill, Mr. Waxman from California, kept interrupting him to prevent him from reading it.

In what he did manage to read there is more money appropriated to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (as if they need more bail out).

Rep. Boehner said his state has huge steel industries which will be forced out of business as steel from China will be imported instead of USA steel because of the penalties.

RE assessors will have to be retrained to know how to assess your home, if it does not meet their code you will be taxed more, even windows, water heaters, insulation even where and if you provide a plug for hybrid vehicles, you cannot sell an older home until it is brought up to code at your expense.

Many industries will go over seas to escape the regulations.

There is also an investigation starting in the fact the EPA hid a huge report that states the global warming situation has gotten better and not worse, so all this is not even necessary, after Al Gore has made an additional $100 million. It is a known fact it will greatly affect the farming expenses; and increase restrictions on all areas of farming.

VIRGINIA DARE

Hindsboro

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sophiesmom wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:57 PM:

" From what I've heard and read, Al Gore stands to become the first carbon billionaire, as he has many investments in carbon and other things related to the environment. With the cap and trade law poised to pass both houses, look for him to be on the billionaire list. "

Becky wrote on Jul 9, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Every point you make is right on Virginia. This massive bill will cut through our economy (or what's left of it) like a knife. Both our senators voted yes but I highly doubt that Tim Johnson will vote for it. Yesterday 3000 scientists, 900 of them PHDs, started a law suit against Gore for fraud. Maybe a threat to Gore's windfall profit is what is needed to put a stop to this ridiculous farce of a bill. "

Tom Andres wrote on Jul 9, 2009 9:52 AM:

" Perhaps we should bring all our troops home and post them in Washington, DC, to protect us from our own government! "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Becky,

Tim Johnson did vote against it in the House.

I wrote our senators and urged them to vote no soon after it passed in the House and before it reached the Senate. All I got from Burris was this malarkey, " I'm very iterested in what my constituients think, blah, blah, blah" bullhockey.

Durbin in his email reply to me at least outlined the reasons he'll vote for it. I don't agree with him, but at least he didn't give me the brush off. I'm sure it was a form letter written to explain his position to those who write him, but at least he spelled his position out. Not so with Burris and his blah, blah, blah.

I agree with Virginia. I hope those PHD's you spoke of Becky are successful. I can't afford this bill. "

Becky wrote on Jul 9, 2009 12:59 PM:

" Now I just read that the international community refuses to allow the tax on imports and fears global trade wars. This bill is a massive way over the top piece of some of the worst ideas to ever come from DC. So I guess this means it will pass for sure. Sheeshe.

So now if it passes, all US made items will be taxed but imports would not. Oh yeah, that will really get our economy running. "

knobren wrote on Jul 9, 2009 3:12 PM:

" Hum, the shingles are getting loose on the house, but it costs too much to fix the roof. Oh, now the roof is leaking, but it costs too much to fix it. Gee, now the water has caused rot and the roof is sagging, but it costs too much to fix it. Oh my, now the roof has caved in, why didn't someone tell me to fix it before this happened?! Oh yeah, they did, but I thought it cost too much to do it then. Well, I guess I need to find a new house. Oops, we only have one - it's called the earth! "

father bob wrote on Jul 9, 2009 3:45 PM:

" the sky's falling! "

father bob wrote on Jul 9, 2009 3:55 PM:

" someone needs to tell senator B*ner that the steel industry disappeared from this country 25 years ago "

father bob wrote on Jul 9, 2009 4:04 PM:

" not to worry....as soon as we can dump the rest of the 3 trillion bucks into iraq, we can start on mending america.

thanks goober w. bush! "

knobren wrote on Jul 9, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Global warming has not gotten better! For example, the huge island-sized chunks of ice from the Antarctic Peninsula have broken into pieces in recent years. In the past decade, breaking ice sheets, glacial melt, and decreased addition of ice has led to the following: According to the Washington Post (March 2008), "... in West Antarctica, the ice loss has increased by 59 percent over the past decade to about 132 billion metric tons a year, while the yearly loss along the peninsula has increased by 140 percent to 60 billion metric tons."

Suppose that the U.S. government has mislead the public, how would you explain the reports coming from international panels that investigate or report on climate change?

If you want more information, one source is the summary of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report for 2007:
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf "

warhorse67 wrote on Jul 9, 2009 5:23 PM:

" All life on earth can be thought of as "carbon-based", so they will soon start a "life tax"... If you're breathing & wish to continue to breath, you must pay a tax... it'll become the new American Way! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2009 5:24 PM:

" " someone needs to tell senator B*ner that the steel industry disappeared from this country 25 years ago "

Perhaps all those sessions in the tanning booth are effecting his brain, fb. "

knobren wrote on Jul 9, 2009 6:04 PM:

" Father Bob, the point of the story was that repairs left undone lead to bigger and bigger problems that become more expensive and more difficult to repair.

We could also look at the world as a neighborhood in disrepair. Some neighbors say they won't fix up their part of the blight unless Joe commits to fix up his yard, too. That's what countries like ours have said about the various Kyoto Treaties. Not only that, but we'll even keep adding trash to our pile on the front lawn! And we aren't going to agree to clean up our yard, until that little house down the street agrees to remove the plastic bag hanging from their tree. In fact, we'll let our garbage just blow around the entire neighborhood! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Anyone remember when the Republicans were in full control of the goverment? They too ramrodded their ideas through and didn't allow the Dems time to read everything, and now that the Dems are in conrol the Pubs seems to have forgotten their own tactics. Guess they don't like it when the shoe is one the other foot, huh? "

Tom Andres wrote on Jul 9, 2009 9:27 PM:

" Dohbaugh, er, Harry says: They too ramrodded their ideas through and didn't allow the Dems time to read everything ....

Just for the sake of conversation, please give one example of your assertion. "

lefty wrote on Jul 9, 2009 11:57 PM:

" TOM ANDRES... answer... the Patriot Act. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 12:55 AM:

" "answer... the Patriot Act."
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Is that right, lefty? (Or should I say Mr Potter?)

Obama voted in favor of the Patriot Act in 2006.

And President Obama has said that he will renew President Bush's Patriot Act.

And in April the Obama DOJ argued to continue warrantless wire tapping exactly as the Bush Administration did. They claimed that the state secrets privilege requires the court to dismiss the issue out of hand. They argued that simply allowing the case to continue "would cause exceptionally grave harm to national security." - just as Bush argued.

But here's the real shocker "lefty":

The Obama DOJ claimed that the U.S. Government is completely immune from litigation for illegal spying that the Government can never be sued for surveillance that violates federal privacy statutes.

This is a radical assertion that is utterly unprecedented. No one - not the White House, not the Justice Department, not any member of Congress, and not even the evil Bush Administration - has *ever* interpreted the law this way.

And then there's the little matter of "torture". President Obama has not only continued Extraordinary Rendition, he has actually expanded it. Where Bush used CIA agents to apprehend suspects on foreign soil, Obama is now relying on foreign Intel agents to do the kidnapping, thereby keeping the entire process *away* from the U.S. legal system.

What was your point again, Mr Potter?
I mean....."lefty"? Or do you prefer "Dohbaugh"?

;-) "

Tom Andres wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:27 AM:

" Oh, come on, lefty, Harry, tq, fb, eb, dohbaugh, whomever, is that the best you can do? The PATRIOT Act was passed by wide margins in both houses of Congress. Russ Feingold was the only No vote in the US Senate. The House vote was 85% in favor.

Doesn't sound like something that was crammed down anyone's throats. Our country was under attack. It may not have been the best crafted legislation ever, but it did get the job done, didn't it?

Which is a whole lot more than can be said for the stimulus bills (Bush's and Obama's) and the Detroit takeovers and the takeover of the banking and financial products industries and the takeover of our heathcare industry and this cap and trade nonsense, which will undoubtedly bankrupt our nation and still leave us dependent on foreign oil. "

medic57 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:37 AM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 9, 2009 4:04 PM:

" not to worry....as soon as we can dump the rest of the 3 trillion bucks into iraq, we can start on mending america.

thanks goober w. bush! "

Father Bob

I haven't noticed that Obama has stopped sending money to Iraq yet. Almost 200 Billion since he took office, not bad for someone who was going to pull the troops out. Don't hear much about closing Gitmo these days either. "

john wrote on Jul 10, 2009 7:50 AM:

" I live in a home built in the 60's--not the most energy efficient house, but not too bad. Under the Cap-trade bill I would not be able to put my house on the market until a government bureaucrat inspected it decided if it was up to code. If not, I might have to spend thousands of dollars to bring it to code just to put the For Sale sign in the yard. I wouldn't even be able to negotiate the improvement cost with a potential buyer.
I guess I'm lucky with my 1960's house. I feel for those in homes built in the late 1800's and early 1900's. But I guess it will improve the economy when the potential sellars (who hopfully still have jobs)have to go out and purchase a new H20 heater, new windows, new roof, new insulation, and new a/c unit so the house meets the new "energy efficient" code.
Think I'll be staying in my house at least until a administration with some common sense comes into office. "

The Question wrote on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 AM:

" Remember the "nuclear option," when Republicans threatened to destroy the power of the filibuster to wipe out Democrats' ability to stop them? You Republicans still in favor of that? You were all crowing about how necessary it was back then. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 10, 2009 8:39 AM:

" In July of 1994, just four months before Republicans swept the elections and won control of Congress, then-Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) blasted the Democratic leadership for trying to ram health-care reform legislation through Congress without giving the minority party a chance to be heard. "It is fundamentally wrong for America," he said, "for people who are supposed to be elected every two years, who are supposed to be sensitive to the concerns and the needs of the American people, to deliberately and ruthlessly run roughshod over the American people."
But in the eight years that House Republicans have been in the majority, they've perfected the methods they once denounced -- and backed off promises to improve the system. On bills such as welfare reform, the extension of unemployment benefits and the recent omnibus appropriations, Republicans have stopped Democrats from offering amendments on the floor and, in effect, made the House a one-horse show.
Mary Lynn Jones-

Tom, I think you missed the point I was making. As someone who is a student of government, you surely remember Gingrich's infamous contract "on" America where the Republicans ramrodded legislation (except for term limits now that were in control, of course) through which could not have possibly allowed for a full reading.

The point I was making was that the Republicans, now that they are out of power, are bemoaning the tactics being used by the Democratic controlled house, and these are the same tactics they used while in control.

In reality, at least when in comes to this issue, neither party has clean hands.

I've read that few legislators (both parties) actually take the time to read bills in their entirety, that's done by their aides and their favorite lobbyists of course.

By the way, now that Pelosi seems to have been vindicated by Panetta's latest admission, do you think the grandstanding Boehner will be as public with an apology to her as he was with his public rants about her lying? "

exbricklayer wrote on Jul 10, 2009 12:36 PM:

" John Boehner is a CONGRESSMAN. Tim Johnson is a CONGRESSMAN. They both voted against the bill in the House. Dick Durbin and Roland Burris are SENATORS, they haven't had a chance to vote on this bill because it's not in the Senate yet. I wish you GOOBERS would take the time to learn how the legislative process works. Try reading a book about the Constitution instead of getting all of your info from FOX. The FOX Opinion Channel is not legitimate news, it's ENTERTAINMENT, not unlike Professional Wrestling. "

even steven wrote on Jul 10, 2009 12:48 PM:

" All cap and trade amounts to is a power grab and a huge tax increase. Thankfully, I heat my house with wood, so at least I won't be gouged quite as bad as some folks. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 10, 2009 12:55 PM:

" Sorry Lefty, but Mr Personality(s) is in full meltdown mode. The last time this happened we tried to raise money for professional help, but was only able to get three dollars and 37 cents in pledges. He now thinks everyone is the same person, mainly me. I'll bet he even accuses himself of being me before it's over. "

The Question wrote on Jul 10, 2009 3:52 PM:

" A Pew Research poll shows hat only six percent of America's scientists now identify themselves as Republican.
Well, reality does have that well-known liberal bias. I guess the study of reality does, too. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 10, 2009 5:36 PM:

" " A Pew Research poll shows hat only six percent of America's scientists now identify themselves as Republican.
Well, reality does have that well-known liberal bias. I guess the study of reality does, too. "

Hey, come on TQ. The loony side has their science experts too. Remember Sarah talking about man walking along side dinosaurs? And every day we hear that junior college drop out, Limbaugh telling us what a bunch of bunk climate change is. So far we don't know Joe the scab plumbers take on any thing scientific. Maybe someone will ask him at the next GOP rally that he keynotes. "

kamfong wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:22 PM:

" HP, I was just thinking,(scary thought) i once was in a position to review job applications at a local store.My boss had a help wanted sign inthe window for a person to stock shelves,anyway while reviewing them I ran across this one that stood out the most,where the position applied for space is, this young man had written "shelf stalker" and it went on to the experienced space as well he stated he had 3yrs previous as a shelf stalker.Do you think this could possibly be your new shadow?If so I can dig up that old app.lol "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 8:33 PM:

" kamfong wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:22 PM:
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Hello Mr Potter. I suspected that "Kamfong" was another of your aliases, now you've confirmed it.
Perhaps you should concur your dire "stalking" concerns with a few of your other monikers so you can create an artificial groundswell of "concern".

That should be amusing; as well as entirely predictable. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2009 7:33 AM:

" Do you think this could possibly be your new shadow?If so I can dig up that old app.lol "

Nothing new about this stalker, kam.

He moves from poster to poster with his stalking and harassing. His obvious intent is to try to run people off of this site. He has been successful in this as more than one poster has given up and left after his harassing and stalking habit grew old. His latest ploy is meant to deflect attention away from the fact that he has changed his name at least a dozen times or more and continues to this day to use more than one name. It's rather ironic, if you think about it, that a person who posts with multiple names accuses someone who has only changed names one time would make such a big deal over the issue. But as I've said before, this is merely a ploy on his part. The regulars on this site know this and he's not really fooling any one. By the way the name Dohbaugh was created by myself as a combination of his original name, Doh and the baugh part comes from his idolization of Rush Limbaugh. You might have also noticed that anyone who ever agrees with me has to be me, at least in his delusional mind. Judging from your previous posts, I don't think he will discourage you from posting, at least I hope not. I saw where he even went after one of the most decent persons who post on this site after she defended me on some issue. At least he didn't accuse her of being me. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2009 9:21 AM:

" America doesn't need to be Bushwhacked again," Corzine declared, jabbing his index finger and drawing loud cheers. "New Jersey cannot afford to be Bushwhacked again."
Politico-

Bushwhacked...you gotta love it... "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Jul 11, 2009 10:43 AM:

" I have no idea why anyone would use more than one name to post here.
You know the old saying is something like > its not crazy to talk to yourself unless you also answer yourself. And I have without a doubt seen this happen many times in here. The only question is how many different people are doing this. I have counted 2 passably 3 for sure I believe. "

medic57 wrote on Jul 11, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Harry

The republicans NEVER had full control of the Government as the Dems do now. "

medic57 wrote on Jul 11, 2009 10:56 AM:

" knobren

You forgot 1 little fact, the pieces of Ice that broke off were already floating, which mean they had NO effect on Ocean levels. "

Bps wrote on Jul 11, 2009 11:56 AM:

" AS IF THE ATROCITY OF THE PENDING CAP AND TRADE ISNT ENOUGH TO FINISH DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY, NOW THE DUMMY-DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING READY FOR THE COUP DE GRAUS.

NOT SATISFIED WITH QUADRUPTLING THE RECORD LEVELS OF DEBT BY THE PREVIOUS DUMMY IN CHARGE FOR OUR GREAT-GREAT GRANDCHILDREN TO PAY OFF, THEY NOW WANT ANOTHER WORTHLESS PORKULAS BILL.
Quote:

http://tinyurl.com/b78qxu

Just weeks after Congress approved the largest spending package in US history, Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House of Representatives, said "we have to keep the door open" to another stimulus.

David Obey, the chairman of the appropriations committee, said he has instructed his staff to start drafting another stimulus proposal, though he emphasized no deadlines or timelines had been set.

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Welcome to the newest banana republic - Obamas america. No jobs, no money, no leadership, no restraint on government excesses and no hope until 2010.

The vast majority of the moneys already allocated or spent by the current gooberment went to the banking elite and his other friends.

There are no green shoots and none are in sight.

At his rate of spending, no one but the banking elite can hope to have anything more than a little bit of change left in their pocket.

Was that what he really meant with his slogan of Change You Can Count On? "

Bps wrote on Jul 11, 2009 12:20 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2009 7:27 PM:
" Anyone remember when the Republicans were in full control of the goverment? They too ramrodded their ideas through and didn't allow the Dems time to read everything, and now that the Dems are in conrol the Pubs seems to have forgotten their own tactics. Guess they don't like it when the shoe is one the other foot, huh? "
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Obama Quote-

When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as president, you will have five days to look online and find out what's in it before I sign it."
-- Manchester, N.H.
JUNE 22, 2007

The promise to post any bills and allow for five days of public debate was part of Obama's election platform, and yet to this day he has broken that promise numerous times.

On June 22, 2009 he re-pledged to post bills online earlier and allow for public debate before it is passed in Congress.

Watchdog and advocacy groups have criticized the President for repeatedly failing to allow for timely public access to the bills. The biggest problem has been posting the bills after they've been passed, as critics say there is no use in commenting on a bill that has already gone through congress.

Say what you will Mr. Potter, twist the argument back on the previous nasty fellows in charge, go off on a tangent trying to turn attention to multiple screen names used by a poster or what ever other clap-trap you pull from some liberal blog or web site- YOUR ANNOINTED ONE LIED!

Change we can count on?

Sounds like the same policy of saying one thing and doing another that you so strongly and constantly criticize about the previous repub-u-clowns.

Pst- maybe you can get out of your time-warp cause the previous guys have done their damage and are now out of power. They cant hurt us anymore. Its your guys in charge that are destroying our country.

Oh, and two wrongs NEVER make a right. They just make two wrongs. "

Bps wrote on Jul 11, 2009 12:58 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 AM:
" Remember the "nuclear option," when Republicans threatened to destroy the power of the filibuster to wipe out Democrats' ability to stop them? You Republicans still in favor of that? You were all crowing about how necessary it was back then. "
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Not being a Republican, I cant speak for them. I do however have a question.

TQ- The then criminals in power had several instances where they could have done this but they didnt. Like typical repub-a-clowns, all they did was threaten.

Based upon their out of control actions to date (porkulas being one example), can you say that the current criminals in power wont use it? "

Bps wrote on Jul 11, 2009 1:34 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 10, 2009 8:39 AM:
" In July of 1994, just four months before Republicans swept the elections..
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HP, I know you have frequent memory lapses when it comes to anything negative against your beloved Dummy-crats, but do you remember why this happened?

Dummy-crats out of control caused it.

You know, just like what has happened over the last six months.

The out of control Dummy-crats during Clinton, the out of control Repub-a-clowns during Bush, and now the abomination of the current clowns in power have proven that you can not have one political party in control.

They are all crooks and can only be controlled or limited but splitting power.

Hopefully the same thing as in 1994 will happen again in 2010 and we can get away from this one party, uncontested rule.

I fear there will be nothing left of what was America if enough of the swing vote doesnt rise up in 2010 to throw enough Dummy-crats out of the house or senate to break up the current trilogy in power.

By the way HP, TQ, FB have you checked out Obamas and the Dummy-crats poll ratings lately?

Barack Obama (Nations Voters)
30% Strongly Approve
37% Strongly Disapprove

Presidential Approval Index rating of 7

VOTERS NOW TRUST REPUBLICANS MORE THAN DEMOCRATS ON EIGHT OUT OF 10 KEY ELECTORAL ISSUES, INCLUDING, FOR THE SECOND STRAIGHT MONTH, THE TOP ISSUE OF THE ECONOMY.

They've also narrowed the gap on the remaining two issues, the traditionally Democratic strong suits of health care and education.

VOTERS NOT AFFILIATED WITH EITHER PARTY TRUST REPUBLICANS MORE TO HANDLE THE ECONOMY BY A 46% TO 32% MARGIN.

Ah-oh, looks like more of those swing voters who put Bush in office twice and Obama once, are finally figuring out how big a mistake they made again.

Poor Hp- can you say 1994 all over again? "

Bps wrote on Jul 11, 2009 2:25 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 9, 2009 3:55 PM:
" someone needs to tell senator B*ner that the steel industry disappeared from this country 25 years ago "
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Well, looks like your cherished Dummy-crats arent happy with just all those nasty high paying manufacturing jobs that have already fleed this country.

The cap and trade abomination will chase out 20% more of those that are left.

I know you dont believe me fb, so how about directly from the source. Here are the results of a survey of American Manufacturers:

Link: http://www.mfrtech.com/articles/2293.html

Manufacturing & Technology eJournal Poll Shows Clean Energy Act Could Force Nearly 20 Percent of Manufacturers to Close

Some snippets:

More than 17 percent of those who answered said they would have to shut down their business because there is no way they could handle the kinds of increases being predicted.

Would raise the price of products or services to customers (22 percent)

A combination of price increases, personnel cuts and reductions in pay and benefits (20 percent)

Yep, change we can count on.

Welcome to the re-making of America into a third world country brought to you by the Community Organizer and the Dummy-crats "

lefty wrote on Jul 11, 2009 6:43 PM:

" Wow 7X6Z9, you think I am an Obama-person I guess?

TOM ANDRES wanted an example, so I gave it. I did not know there were stipulations. Just settle down from your lil freak out there....

Also.... what is with everyone always accusing other people as posting under different aliases?! Who cares?! 7X6Z9, post under 10 different aliases, good for you! I'll post under my 23 different aliases and wont ever tell you, big deal.... "

Cognitus wrote on Jul 11, 2009 7:33 PM:

" Andres:"Doesn't sound like something that was crammed down anyone's throats. Our country was under attack. It may not have been the best crafted legislation ever, but it did get the job done, didn't it?

Unfortunately, yes.
Members of Congress didn't realize that GWB was jealous of his father, and took us to war under false pretenses just to show he was a bigger man than his father-- ignoring that Iraq had NO relationship to 9/11. Congress was conned,thought GWB was truthful..... "

Bps wrote on Jul 11, 2009 8:26 PM:

" Cap and Trade- just another socialistic program to enforce social changes.

Want to see one of the results of where unbridled socialism like this leads you?

http://tinyurl.com/ns53pt

That is what happens after years of socialistic programs and over spending.

And on 10/02/09 there are going to be how many of these, totaling how much being presented for payment?

There is no way they are going to have the surplus to honor these worthless pieces of paper. But print them and distribute them they have.

Yeah! Good luck with that!

Of course our current dollars are really not much different from the peoples socialist utopia of Калифорнияs IOUs.

Their IOUs are backed by the full faith and credit of California (ha-ha-ha-ha sorry, could not keep a straight face on that one).

The Feds IOUs are now backed by the Chineses continued purchasing of our treasury implements, our printing presses and the upcoming tax blitz from your Dummy-crats in power.

Yeah! Good luck with that to! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:02 PM:

" The republicans NEVER had full control of the Government as the Dems do now.

Huh?

I would say that when you conrol both the House and the Senate as well as the White House and some would argue, the Supreme court that would pretty much constitute full control of the government. You do realise that was the situation for the first 6 years of Bush's presidency, don't you medic? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:19 PM:

" Holy cow! Stop the presses! A politician didn't follow through with a campaign promise. I'll bet Obama is the first President in history to do that, huh? lol! "

The Question wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:23 PM:

" Based upon their out of control actions to date (porkulas being one example), can you say that the current criminals in power wont use it?
---
Based upon the Democrats' spinelessness to date, I can say they definitely won't use the "nuclear option." Unlike the ruthless Republicans, they haven't even threatened to.
I would rather see them concentrate on putting the torturing, police-state war criminals who previously occupied the presidency and vice presidency into prison to reassert the Constitution and the rule of law. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:28 PM:

" Bps, I think you might be taking this site a tad bit too serious. Relax a little fella. Nothing said by anyone on this site will make any difference in the end. And by the way, they have a monitor and really don't need your input about what should and shouldn't be posted. lol! "

The Question wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:40 PM:

" The international standoff has strained relations between the two nations, cracked Switzerland's historic reputation for banking secrecy and shaken the private banking industry as it spotlighted an estimated $100 billion in annual tax evasion by Americans using offshore accounts.
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Well, what do you know? Sounds like we just found the money for universal health care. "

The Question wrote on Jul 12, 2009 5:13 PM:

" "It's rather ironic, if you think about it, that a person who posts with multiple names accuses someone who has only changed names one time would make such a big deal over the issue."
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Right wingers ALWAYS accuse others of what they are doing relentlessly and secretly, Harry. When they're caught dead to rights, first they lie, then finally they say "But Democrats torture, too!" and "But Democrats cheat, too!," as if morality consists of getting away with any crime committed by anyone else you can cite.
They accuse their opponents of hate-mongering, racist sentiments, lying, immorality, fascist tactics and making up facts because that's what THEY do constantly. Look at all those pathetic, slobbering "family values" senators who've been caught with their pants down, literally. Look at how Sarah Palin lies and babbles nonsense constantly, then whines that anyone who quotes her accurately is "attacking" her. It's called "psychological projection." "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 6:16 PM:

" I'm betting some of the money that disappeared in Iraq under Bremner's watch is in several numbered Swiss accounts under various names associated with that fiasco, TQ. The sad part is that we will never know. Now, perhaps if they waterboarded Cheney he might tell. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 6:34 PM:

" WASHINGTON Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said she's not only staying involved in national politics, but she plans to jump back into the national scrum when she leaves office at the end of the month.

The former Republican vice presidential nominee said she plans to write a book, campaign for political candidates from coast to coast _ even Democrats who share her views on limited government, national defense and energy independence _ and build a right-of-center coalition.

Is the delusional Palin thinking of building her own party? I would imagine Tom Andres and the rest of the Obama haters are ready to sign up. lol...

Hey Sarah, thanks, but no thanks....wink wink...you betcha! "

father bob wrote on Jul 12, 2009 6:56 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:37 AM:

"I haven't noticed that Obama has stopped sending money to Iraq yet. Almost 200 Billion since he took office, not bad for someone who was going to pull the troops out. Don't hear much about closing Gitmo these days either. """""

just be patient meds....he'll get us out of "goober's" mess. and hey, at least he doesn't just drop the billions in on pallets, he spends it on troops. "

Bps wrote on Jul 12, 2009 6:59 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:28 PM:
" Bps, I think you might be taking this site a tad bit too serious. Relax a little fella. Nothing said by anyone on this site will make any difference in the end. And by the way, they have a monitor and really don't need your input about what should and shouldn't be posted. lol! "
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I have NEVER acted as a monitor to anyone on this forum, asked anyone on this forum to not post or in any way impinged on their rights to do so.

I do poke fun at certain posters who tend to act as a free copy of TV guide telling everyone what is going on at fox, or get stuck in some other meaningless subject off topic.

From time to time my posting surely must irritate selected posters because of the facts and counter points posted directly to their presentations prove them mistaken.

Why I have even pitched in a little humor from time to time.

Yes, I dont play the fool quite as well as you can and my humor might be a little satirical for some, but dog gone it, it is funny to some of us.

You are correct that the chance of a posting on this forum making a major difference to the world as a whole is miniscule at best.

But, as I told you in a dialog many months ago on a second amendment issue, I know I cant change a die-hard liberal like you or your supporting cohort.

I post to try to present my positions for those with open minds to evaluate and hopefully to sway their opinions.

Heck, in the give and take I hope to learn something new from my fellow posters.

Besides, you out post me 20 or 30 to one so what impact could little ol me have.

As you have said once or twice its all in good fun.

Thanks for playing monitor but seriously what do you think of the Dummy-crats falling poll numbers?

Is it going to be 1994 all over again?

Have they blown it again? "

Bps wrote on Jul 12, 2009 7:22 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:19 PM:
" Holy cow! Stop the presses! A politician didn't follow through with a campaign promise. I'll bet Obama is the first President in history to do that, huh? lol! "
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HP can we assume that this is in response to the post about President Obama breaking his promise (multiple times) to allow a bill to be posted for five days online to get the peoples input before he signed it?

My goodness HP admitting that his chosen one, gasp- lied!

That in effect he is really no different than all the other clowns who have held this office.

Yep, just another lying politician doing or saying what ever it takes to get hold of and hang on to the power.

See, it wasnt that hard to actually admit that the chosen one is just another politician whose word can not be trusted was it? "

Bps wrote on Jul 12, 2009 7:32 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 12, 2009 6:56 PM:
" medic57 wrote on Jul 10, 2009 6:37 AM:

"I haven't noticed that Obama has stopped sending money to Iraq yet. Almost 200 Billion since he took office, not bad for someone who was going to pull the troops out. Don't hear much about closing Gitmo these days either. """""

just be patient meds....he'll get us out of "goober's" mess. and hey, at least he doesn't just drop the billions in on pallets, he spends it on troops. "
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May 22, 2009

President Obama made a promise to the newly graduated Navy and Marine officers:

Quote- It is a promise that as long as I am your Commander in Chief, I WILL ONLY SEND YOU INTO HARM'S WAY when it is absolutely necessary, AND WITH THE STRATEGY, THE WELL-DEFINED GOALS, THE EQUIPMENT AND THE SUPPORT YOU NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE End Quote

July 9, 2009
Stars & Stripes:

White House cuts funding for gear
HOUSE LAWMAKERS ON THURSDAY BLASTED A WHITE HOUSE DECISION NOT TO PROVIDE MONEY NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR UPGRADES TO COMBAT-WORN EQUIPMENT, AND PROMISED A FIGHT TO PUT BILLIONS BACK INTO THE DEFENSE BUDGET.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/mlwjyz

My, My
More Change you can count on?

Spends it on troops fb???

Sounds like what the previous bozos in charge tried to do to the troops.

Wonder if the anointed ones pet press will be all upset with his administration over leaving troops unprotected by not buying all that new armor for them like they RIGHTLY were when the last crooks in charge did this type of thing? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 8:04 PM:

" Hey TQ, it looks like Sybil is trying to engage me in conversation again. That chameleon just can't hide can he? His uncontrollable tendency to pat himself on the back gives him away every time. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 7:58 AM:

" WASHINGTON -- A secret Central Intelligence Agency initiative terminated by Director Leon Panetta was an attempt to carry out a 2001 presidential authorization to capture or kill Al Qaeda operatives, according to former intelligence officials familiar with the matter.

The precise nature of the highly classified effort isn't clear, and the CIA won't comment on its substance.

According to current and former government officials, the agency spent money on planning and possibly some training. It was acting on a 2001 presidential legal pronouncement, known as a finding, which authorized the CIA to pursue such efforts. The initiative hadn't become fully operational at the time Panetta ended it.
Wall Street Journal-

Translation: The Bush/Cheney death squads.

I'm not surprised that some on here want to change the subject.

If the Democrats don't wimp out on a complete investigation, we may find out the truth yet. Bush's daddy and his high powered pals might not be able to get him out of this one. Will Bush throw Cheney to the wolves to save his worthless rear? Stay tuned... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 8:16 AM:

" The Republicans are going to extreme measures to try to stop Obama's choice for the Supreme Court vacancy. They are now playing ads of Rush Limbaugh calling her a bigot.

That's rather ironic, considering why Limbaugh was fired from his part time gig at ESPN?

And it looks like Limbaugh isn't the only racists in a high profile position in the GOP, as they just elected an out and out racist to head the Young Republican organization.

It's a good thing for Michael Steele that he bowed and kissed Limbaugh's ring or he would have been out a long time ago. I'm surprised that Limbaugh hasn't tried to organize a movement to get him kicked out of the Lilly white party. "

Watchman wrote on Jul 13, 2009 8:56 AM:

" To Bps
This is my one and only name under which I post, and this is my first time to post, but I wanted to weigh in after reading these comments.
Three things have come to my mind:
1. The most humor I found in your writing was your spelling (coup de graus, quadruptling).
2. The only people who agree with your mean-spirited rants are most certainly NOT open-minded. They're just like you.
3. You won't learn or gain anything from this dialogue because your "right-minded" skew on things is too locked in and nailed down. You think yours is the only correct way of thought. "

father bob wrote on Jul 13, 2009 9:22 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 12, 2009 8:04 PM:
" Hey TQ, it looks like Sybil is trying to engage me in conversation again. That chameleon just can't hide can he? His uncontrollable tendency to pat himself on the back gives him away every time. lol! """"

HP me thinks you struck a nerve...

always a dead giveaway when you get multiple lengthy tirades of foaming-at-the-mouth divel.

good job HP "

Bps wrote on Jul 13, 2009 10:02 AM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 12, 2009 4:23 PM:
" Based upon their out of control actions to date (porkulas being one example), can you say that the current criminals in power wont use it?
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Based upon the Democrats' spinelessness to date, I can say they definitely won't use the "nuclear option." Unlike the ruthless Republicans, they haven't even threatened to.

I would rather see them concentrate on putting the torturing, police-state war criminals who previously occupied the presidency and vice presidency into prison to reassert the Constitution and the rule of law. "
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Hope your right, I like the filibuster.

It is about the only time a single man of conscious can bring the wheels of gooberment to a stand still.

Although I liked it better when they actually had to talk and present materials instead of just threaten to do it.

But what are you going to do, guess the politicians are just too busy accepting bribes or meeting their mistresses.

It did make for good entertainment so at least the tax payers got something for our money for a change.. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 10:15 AM:

" Since announcing her resignation, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has been pummeled by critics who have called her incoherent, a quitter, a joke and a "political train wreck."

And those were fellow Republicans talking.
LA Times- "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 10:42 AM:

" CIAs super-secret plan: assassinate al-Qaeda leaders

The Wall Street Journal reveals the CIA program so secret that Democrats allege the agency never shared it with Congress, breaking the law on oversight of intelligence. Its so shocking that Dick Cheney allegedly told George Tenet to shield it from Americas elected representatives.

Hold onto your hats ladies and gentlemen: the dastardly CIA secretly planned ... to capture and/or kill ... al-Qaedas top leaders.

Aren't you positively outraged? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 10:48 AM:

" Lets see. Democrats want to make hay over a program to kill Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the rest of the radical Islamist looney tunes?

Best of luck with that. Show of hands: who in the US doesnt want the heads of bin Laden and Zawahiri on a pike? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Perhaps The Question, Harry Potter (and his band of many names) can breathlessly flood this thread with their outrageously outraged- outrage. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 1:22 PM:

" always a dead giveaway when you get multiple lengthy tirades of foaming-at-the-mouth divel.

good job HP "

Thanks fb, he makes it so easy. He tries to mask himslef but the old Sybil always comes through. lol! "

The Shadow wrote on Jul 13, 2009 1:23 PM:

" It would be nice if the cut/copy and paste option was removed from this website. It would be alot better to see people speaking their own words. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 1:54 PM:

" Last week I exposed Harry Potter's deceptive name-changing tactics and he was forced to admit it:

(Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2009 7:03 AM:
" Of course it was me posting under that name Sybil, I have changed my posting name (actually twice). For someone who changes their posting name on a regular basis, I'm surprised that you would go to so much work trying to prove that anyone else would do what you do with a lot of regularity. You must live a very exciting life, it you get all worked up about such a trivial thing. ")

He's also posting under the names:

-kamfong

-father bob

-lefty

and now

-Watchman

among others. "

The Question wrote on Jul 13, 2009 1:56 PM:

" Translation: The Bush/Cheney death squads.
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Hmmm. So NOW the CIA stooges are revealing the super-duper-whooper-secret must-never-be-revealed even-to-Congress program? And it turns out to be something we already knew -- that they were trying to kill Al Qaeda leaders?
That's the program Leon Panetta thought was so radioactive he terminated it as soon as he found out? That's what Cheney was determined to keep absolutely secret from Congress, in violation of the law?
Total BS. This source-free story is just a smoke screen for a subject the CIA and Cheney are desperate to change -- a subject that spells prison bars for them if it is sees the light of day. "

father bob wrote on Jul 13, 2009 2:19 PM:

" well, BDD....leave it to you to justify breaking the laws set forth.

bet you were thrilled with Tiller murder as well. "

father bob wrote on Jul 13, 2009 2:21 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Jul 9, 2009 9:52 AM:
" Perhaps we should bring all our troops home and post them in Washington, DC, to protect us from our own government! """""

kinda sucks when the world doesn't spin to your liking ....eh tommie?
maybe you should get your passport in order so you can leave the country you despise. "

Becky wrote on Jul 13, 2009 2:40 PM:

" knobren, do you mean the IPCC big wigs that get a paycheck because of global warming? Do you mean the IPCC big wigs that will no longer take home a hefty paycheck if the "warming" was proven wrong? Oh yeah, I sure as heck will believe anything these people say over, let's say, researchers who actually get paid for real research on various fields of study who disagree with this panic fed frenzy. "

The Shadow wrote on Jul 13, 2009 2:53 PM:

" bet you were thrilled with Tiller murder as well.

colorful insight father bob? "

The Shadow wrote on Jul 13, 2009 2:55 PM:

" kinda sucks when the world doesn't spin to your liking ....eh tommie?
maybe you should get your passport in order so you can leave the country you despise.

the tables were turned not so long ago, weren't they? "

The Shadow wrote on Jul 13, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Thanks father bob for atleast speaking your own words. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 3:18 PM:

" "bet you were thrilled with Tiller murder as well."
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Well "father bob" (may I call you Mr Potter?) Well Mr Potter, not as thrilled as you were when the evil Army Recruiter was murdered by a Muslim last month. In fact, I condemned Dr Tillers murder.

Did you condemn the murder of the Army recruiter "father bob"?

No. No you did not. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 3:20 PM:

" And now we have: "The Shadow"

Hello again Mr Potter. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 3:38 PM:

" Oh dear oh dear.

Straight from the Huffington Post:

Obama No Closer To Supporting Investigation Of Bush Terror Policies

*Ahem* "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 4:00 PM:

" "This source-free story is just a smoke screen for a subject the CIA and Cheney are desperate to change -- a subject that spells prison bars for them if it is sees the light of day."
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A challenge for you, Question:

Tell us exactly what the CIA is supposed to have misled those eight *Democrat* accusers about.

Be specific now lad. Give us details. And of course, cite the evidence and the sources. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 4:24 PM:

" How long have the Looney-Left Wingers in here been rubbing their sweaty little rodent hands together and working themselves into a state of near-orgasmic frenzy over the "soon-to-be-coming" investigations of Bush-crimes?

Well now, there's a Super-Duper Hope-and-Changey Democrat President in the White House, and a Hope-and-Change Democrat Super-Duper Majority in Congress .... so ah ......... what's the hold up here?

When's that vaunted Bush/Cheney frog-march supposed to happen? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 4:28 PM:

" "Translation: The Bush/Cheney death squads."
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That's right, Question. Death squads to kill the Al-Qaeda leadership.

Nothing raises your 'Death-to-America' ire quicker than the murder of those poor poor, innocent and defenseless Jihadist Master-Minds, does it oh, delusional-one.

Ah but, wouldn't you just know it; your very own President Obama has actually *expanded* the "illegal" and "torturous" use of Extraordinary Rendition. And he has no real desire to investigate those evil Bush terror policies.

Kind of....get's to you, doesn't it..... "

Kamfong wrote on Jul 13, 2009 4:30 PM:

" 7XWhatchamacallit, Im convinced that you are out of your rabid mind.I am not Harry Potter.I make one comment to you based on my observation of your obsession ,with exposing a poster that may or may not have multiple personalities,try doing some real dick tracy archive searching and see if you can figure out who your arch rival really is.Ive only been posting for approx 4months and I can't even keep up with my own BS let alone ya'lls.To further show you Im not him I promise not to address you and your obsession anymore,as long as you keep my name out-cher-mouth,ok Buck-O-? "

Bps wrote on Jul 13, 2009 4:47 PM:

" Watchman wrote on Jul 13, 2009 8:56 AM:
" To Bps
This is my one and only name under which I post, and this is my first time to post, but I wanted to weigh in after reading these comments.
Three things have come to my mind:
1. The most humor I found in your writing was your spelling (coup de graus, quadruptling).
2. The only people who agree with your mean-spirited rants are most certainly NOT open-minded. They're just like you.
3. You won't learn or gain anything from this dialogue because your "right-minded" skew on things is too locked in and nailed down. You think yours is the only correct way of thought. "
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Thanks for your input Watchman. Glad you joined the waters here. My first post was back in January and I also only use one name.

Sorry you dont find my viewpoint enlightening nor entertaining.

As for the spelling correction (?), guess my spellchecker is in error as yours was when you misspelled quadruptling (it is- quadrupling). But I am glad you at least found some humor in that.

Lets take your points in order:

Mean spirited rants?

Facts and links are just that, you may not like them but they are still facts.

If you meant that I strongly believe in the Constitution of our founders, have conservative views when it comes to politics, and loathe corrupt politicians from both political parties, then I guess in your world I rant.

Just for the record, can you please point out one or two examples of any of my mean-spirited rants directed at other posters on this site that you are alluding to?

Only just like me?

For just one example: I have had some very good and open dialog with shumphreys who isnt at all like me in most ways, but we have had good dialogs.

Why she and I have actually agreed on a few points (example- shumphreys wrote on Mar 23, 2009 8:35 AM:. Do any of you even know what it was? I think that Bps understands, read his middle paragraph "examples of how a Christian is supposed to act.")

Has anyone learned or enjoyed my posts?

There have been a few who have posted a note to that effect, but other than that few I am not a mind reader nor do I have a clue as to how many do or dont enjoy my posts.

Doesnt really matter, it is a free forum not a popularity contest. As far as I know there are no prizes available to win.

Wont learn or gain anything?

But I do and in fact just did from your post.

I learned that you are most probably left of center politically (your post is all feelings no supporting facts, it logically attacks me the person not any of the data that I have presented, it classifies me as a mean spirited person, etc. ), that you probably voted for the current President and that you dont know me at all.

Now, if you would be so kind as to present a specific instance where I was mean spirited against a fellow poster I would appreciate it very much.

If you wish you could even pick one of my posts, take one or more of the facts or information I presented and propose your counter argument with your supporting authorities- then we could have more dialog.

Facts and information we can learn from, emotions and feelings are for relationships.

This is a forum for the exchange of ideas not an online dating service. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 5:17 PM:

" Hey fb, were you around when our friend Sybil was posting his racist rants on Coonsey's site? I recall him threatening her with legal action if she tried to stop him. We can all be glad that this site has a monitor to keep him from doing that here. "

father bob wrote on Jul 13, 2009 5:17 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 3:18 PM:
" "bet you were thrilled with Tiller murder as well."
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Well "father bob" (may I call you Mr Potter?) Well Mr Potter, not as thrilled as you were when the evil Army Recruiter was murdered by a Muslim last month. In fact, I condemned Dr Tillers murder.

Did you condemn the murder of the Army recruiter "father bob"?

No. No you did not. """""

oh.....so you admit americans are terrorists and it's ok???

classy there BDD... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 5:52 PM:

" If the actions of Bush and Cheney were actually legal and honorable, why are the Republicans making such a big fuss over a complete investigation? I thought they were all about law and order. "

Bps wrote on Jul 13, 2009 6:36 PM:

" " Watchman wrote on Jul 13, 2009 8:56 AM:
" To Bps
This is my one and only name under which I post, and this is my first time to post, but I wanted to weigh in after reading these comments.
Three things have come to my mind:
1. The most humor I found in your writing was your spelling (coup de graus, quadruptling).

Bps wrote on Jul 13, 2009 4:47 PM:
As for the spelling correction (?), guess my spellchecker is in error as yours was when you misspelled quadruptling (it is- quadrupling).
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Whoops- I made a mistake. In my reply I implied the misspelling of quadrupling was Watchman(s) mistake when in fact he was using it from one of my posts.

Sorry Watchman, my bad.

But, it is another proof in disproving your statement- You (meaning me) won't learn or gain anything from this dialogue because your "right-minded" skew on things is too locked in and nailed down.

In fact I learned to take a little more time to proof my replies before I hit enter. "

The Shadow wrote on Jul 13, 2009 6:42 PM:

" I thought they were all about law and order.

It's a tv show that interferes with Fox News, and they can't have any of that. lol "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 7:11 PM:

" "7XWhatchamacallit, Im convinced that you are out of your rabid mind.I am not Harry Potter."
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Well of course, "Kamfong"- whatever you say Mr Potter.
Perhaps this would be a good time for you to bring out a few of your other names to echo your sentiments? Let see if we can count them all, shall we Mr Potter? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 7:30 PM:

" Synchronize your broken watches all you little Liberal-mind-numbed sycophants. When can we expect those terribly evil (and altogether imaginary) Bush/Cheney war crimes to come to light?

Tonight? Tomorrow? The day after? Next week maybe? Perhaps a fortnight? Perhaps in a month? Perhaps in a year?

I'm sure you're positively tingling with anticipation. But aren't you beginning to feel a bit, shall we say.....teased?
I feel so bad for all you Obama simpletons; I could simply weep. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 7:33 PM:

" "If the actions of Bush and Cheney were actually legal and honorable, why are the Republicans making such a big fuss over a complete investigation? I thought they were all about law and order."
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There not making a fuss- there calling you Democrats liars. Now put up or shut up, Mr Potter. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 8:23 PM:

" Mark Levine says that even after a person stop using drugs the effects are permanent. Perhaps that explains what's wrong with Rush Limbaugh. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2009 9:20 PM:

" Hey kam, back when you first started posting and you and I went round and round over motorcycle tail pipes, I'll bet you never thought some moron would come along and accuse you of being me, huh?

That's our Sybil... lol! "

kamfong wrote on Jul 13, 2009 9:53 PM:

" HP,watch out it's next post might be coming from inside your house.lol,but seriously I wonder if 3-west has had any escapees lately?But if you really want to see crazy,you should see the goings on down here by the mexican border.UNREAL. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 10:08 PM:

" "Hey kam, back when you first started posting and you and I went round and round over motorcycle tail pipes, I'll bet you never thought some moron would come along and accuse you of being me, huh?"
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Really Mr Potter? And when exactly was that? Perhaps "Kamfong can recall when that was?

Because I found a supposed "disagreement" between your two posting names on a motorcycle thread from last month, and wouldn't you just know it; you "two" reconciled amazingly quickly and graciously. Something that rarely happens with you Mr Potter.

Perhaps you can invent another name to substantiate your claim, Mr Potter. Or just have one of your old standbys conveniently recall the occasion. Nothing you attempt could surprise me anymore Mr Potter. Or should I say "Dohbaugh"? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 13, 2009 10:12 PM:

" kamfong wrote on Jul 13, 2009 9:53 PM:
" HP,watch out it's next post might be coming from inside your house.lol,but seriously I wonder if 3-west has had any escapees lately?But if you really want to see crazy,you should see the goings on down here by the mexican border.UNREAL.
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Down by the Mexican border, "kamfong"?

Please stop Mr Potter. You're trying much too hard to convince everyone that your "kamfong" name is legitimate. Stop before you embarrass yourself further. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 8:44 AM:

" Whenever Sybil goes into one of her meltdowns over the issue of multiple posting names and accuses me of being every other poster on this site, I'm reminded of the often misquoted line for Shakespeare's Hamlet: The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

This is especially true of late. lol! "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 8:59 AM:

" 7X....so you condone american violence and terrorism, is that correct? you seem to have avoided my question. "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 9:02 AM:

" heheheheh....we won't have to worry about dick cheney, he's already hung himself.

like the sarah palin death spiral, cheney has shot himself. now all is left is the slow bleed. "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 9:09 AM:

" kamfong wrote on Jul 13, 2009 9:53 PM:
" HP,watch out it's next post might be coming from inside your house.lol,but seriously I wonder if 3-west has had any escapees lately?But if you really want to see crazy,you should see the goings on down here by the mexican border.UNREAL.

i've spent some time in ciudad/juarez this summer, don't go there without a sound reason, or alone. at any rate have a good time where ever you enter.....just be careful "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 10:28 AM:

" "7X....so you condone american violence and terrorism, is that correct? you seem to have avoided my question."
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You're making less sense than usual "father bob".

You specifically mentioned the murder of Dr Tiller. I have *condemned* his murder, Mr Potter.
What does your follow-up question have to do with that?
And when will you be condemning the murder of the Army Recruiter?
You seemed to have avoided *that* question "father bob". Oh should I say, Mr Potter. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 10:50 AM:

" Democrats to investigate "secret" program reported by NYT in 2002

Unfortunately for Democratic witch-hunters, their pals at the national security-defying New York Times apparently blew this secret back in December 2002:

NYT Dec 15 2002- "The Bush administration has prepared a list of terrorist leaders the Central Intelligence Agency is authorized to kill, if capture is impractical and civilian casualties can be minimized, senior military and intelligence officials said."
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Could it be that CIA Director Panetta does not have a good grip on the history of his agencys post-9/11 efforts? Could it be that his Democratic colleagues have such a knee-jerk hostility to the CIA that they would jump on bad info to attack the CIA and Fmr. Vice-Pres. Cheney as a modified limited defense of Speaker Pelosis prior bogus attacks on the CIA regarding briefings on interrogation tactics? Could it be that the geniuses of the NYT forgot they already blew the program?

(Hint: Yes, Yes and Yes.)

I so love raining on the day of all the far-Left-Loons in here. All three of them- and all twelve of their names.

;-) "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Ah yes "father bob":

(father bob wrote on Feb 23, 2009 9:46 AM:
" a public hanging of bush and cheney would be nice....the same end as they gave saddam. ")

Publicly advocating American violence and terrorism- weren't you Mr Potter.

Now let's see you retract those words, "father bob". And as a cautionary note- did the Secret Service ever get in contact with you, sir? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 12:00 PM:

" You're right about the situation in Juarez,fb. I visit family in Alamogordo on a regular basis but due to the problems in Juarez, haven't crossed the border on the last few trips. As much as I enjoy visiting Juarez, I just don't want to put my family in jeopardy. I used to buy silver jewelry there because of the quality and low prices there. Let's hope the law enforcement folks in Mexico can get a handle on the drug cartels and put an end to all the violence. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 12:19 PM:

" Theres one reason above all others that President Obama uses a teleprompter in delivering most of his speeches: hes good at it.

Ronald Reagan was the same way. He was more at ease in reading his speech off the dual screens of a teleprompter than looking up and down at a speech text on his lectern.
CBS news-

It's strange that the brain addled Rush Limbaugh is so obsessed with Obama's use of a teleprompter considering that his hero, Ronald Reagan, relied solely on the use of one. But then again, Limbaugh has been known to be hard on drug users too, and everyone knows Rush's history with illegal drug use. "

The Question wrote on Jul 14, 2009 12:46 PM:

" This one, please:
Did you see that Sarah Palin "wrote" an Obama-bashing column for the Washington Post?
LOL. That dishonest dress dummy could no more write a newspaper column than a sled dog could sing an aria by Verdi. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 2:20 PM:

" It looks like our friend Sybil is a snitch as well as the most dishonest poster on this site, fb. Somehow I'm not surprised to learn that. lol! "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 2:39 PM:

" the said recruiter and dr. tiller were both murdered for performing their LEGAL vocations.

only dr. tiller's death was celebrated on this blog and elsewhere across the country by bible thumpers like BDD.

i'll bet he's also a fan of Wyley Drake, the pastor who says it's appropriate to pray for the assassination of president obama. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 2:41 PM:

" TQ, it looks like Palin might be thinking about a third party run. That's hilarious because all she would do would be to hurt the party that took her in and gave her a national spotlight. She certainly wouldn't draw many Democrats. She draws her strength from the uneducated and often unknowing wing of the Republican party, the same ones that swoon over Joe the fake plumber. McCain tried to take up the slack with Hillary's loss to Obama by appointing this ignoramus. In reality, McCain showed how out of touch he is with women by pulling that lame stunt. "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 2:44 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 11:05 AM:
(father bob wrote on Feb 23, 2009 9:46 AM:
" a public hanging of bush and cheney would be nice....the same end as they gave saddam. ")"""""

good to know you have this all archived BDD.

may i ask....how long has it been since you've had a shower and seen the sunlight?

the aides will be by to gather you for your ride back to the home. meantime, take your meds, have a cold shower, put on CLEAN clothes if you have any available, and wait in front of the trailer....they'll be along soon. "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:02 PM:

" arry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 12:00 PM:
" You're right about the situation in Juarez,fb. I visit family in Alamogordo on a regular basis but due to the problems in Juarez, haven't crossed the border on the last few trips. As much as I enjoy visiting Juarez, I just don't want to put my family in jeopardy. I used to buy silver jewelry there because of the quality and low prices there. Let's hope the law enforcement folks in Mexico can get a handle on the drug cartels and put an end to all the violence. """""

i get to Alamogordo once in a while on business at the AFB. and i also have some folks there we've become friends with over the past few years. always enjoyed watching the F-117 nighthawk stealth fighters training.

i usually go to pick up cheap prescriptions.....but now i'm back to my canadian pharmacy.

the ONLY way the violence will stop is by legalizing and taxing drugs. until then, the guns will head south and the drugs will head north....and innocent people will continue to be murdered, raped, sold, or their organs sent to asia. "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:08 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 14, 2009 12:46 PM:
" This one, please:
Did you see that Sarah Palin "wrote" an Obama-bashing column for the Washington Post?
LOL. That dishonest dress dummy could no more write a newspaper column than a sled dog could sing an aria by Verdi. """""

yeah......you'd think the leader of the republican party *snicker* would at least tender her resignation first.

but hey....what can you expect from a halfwitted twit. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:23 PM:

" I have a suggestion for Palin's slogan. "Quit Happens" (I have to admit I stole this off of a Internet bloggers comments) But hey, it would fit on a bumper stick quite nicely and seems to sum up her major career accomplishment.

Move over Bob Barr, here comes the Sarahcuda... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:25 PM:

" "only dr. tiller's death was celebrated on this blog and elsewhere across the country"
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I condemned Dr Tiller's death "father bob".

(7X6Z9 wrote on May 31, 2009 10:54 PM:

" The murder of Dr. Tiller was a tragic crime and an act of domestic terrorism.

I oppose all abortions, but I also pray for mercy and forgiveness for all those involved in the act: the mother, the father, the doctor, and the nurses.

The killer who ended Dr Tiller's life was guilty of the very same deceptive philosophy that the abortionists embrace; that murder is an appropriate means to an end.

May God have mercy on Dr Tiller's soul, and may God forgive his murderer. ")

When can we expect *you* to condemn the murder of the military recruiter? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:32 PM:

" Tell me Mr Potter,

Do you agree with your "father bob" persona that:

(" a public hanging of bush and cheney would be nice....the same end as they gave saddam. ")

Or would you like to take this opportunity to condemn that statement as a way to draw a distinction between those two posting names of yours?
And tell me, Mr Potter, why *shouldn't* the Secret Service be notified when a President and Vice President's lives have been publicly threatened? "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:43 PM:

" be interesting to know just how many "enhanced" techniques, Abu Ghraib types of interrogation and how many rapes the two young american female journalists in north korea have had to suffer.

since it's okay for us to use them, i suppose it's okay for them to use them too......afterall, george bush and president cheney threw out all chances for mercy with the geneva conventions.

hopefully, the "godless" north koreans will prove to be more civilized than we americans have. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 3:56 PM:

" Obama DoJ defends secrecy for Bush-era interrogations

WashingtonPost June 9 2009- In an affidavit, CIA Director Leon E. Panetta defended the classification of records describing the contents of the 92 videotapes, their destruction by the CIA in 2005 and what he called "sensitive operational information" about the interrogations.
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My goodness "father bob", isn't that just a pickle?

Now then "father bob", how do feel about President Obama's expansion of the Extraordinary Rendition Program? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 4:17 PM:

" Oh my: Obama drafts executive order to detain terrorists indefinitely without trial

WashingtonPost June 27 2009- Such an order would embrace claims by former president George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war.
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My my my "father bob". That's more evil than Bush.

"One administration official said future transfers to the United States for long-term detention would be rare. Al-Qaeda operatives captured on the battlefield, which the official defined as Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and possibly the Horn of Africa, would be held in battlefield facilities."
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Tell my "father bob", how humane do you think 'battlefield facilities' in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Horn of Africa will be? Thank goodness future captives will be spared the military-run horror that is Gitmo for the cushy pleasure palaces that are military-run battlefield prisons. Aren't you simply giddy with Hope-and-Change-relief "father bob"? How about you "Mr Potter"? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 PM:

" hopefully, the "godless" north koreans will prove to be more civilized than we americans have. "

After what's come out about the Bush/Cheney regime, could they be any worse, fb? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 4:48 PM:

" Obama prepares to hold Gitmo guys indefinitely, just as Bush did

LATimes June 27 2009- In yet another sign of political perfidy, the White House of President George W. Bush has drafted a presidential executive order that would allow that double-dealing Republican chief executive to hold suspected terrorist detainees indefinitely.

According to the president's intentions, such suspects could be detained for long periods of time, virtually indefinitely. Is this really what the nation voted for last November?

Oh, wait. No. According to an exclusive Washington Post/Pro Publica report this afternoon, it's the refreshing new Democratic administration of Barack Obama that's now preparing this new executive order to hold certain terrorist suspects indefinitely.

This is an obviously inspiring sign of the new style of leadership the Democrat promised and is finally bringing to the White House. As one blogger put it, George W. Obama. And it shows the kind of powerful political pragmatism with which the ex-senator from Illinois approaches this job at such a crucial and globally turbulent time.Strangely, it was leaked to the Post on a slow summer Friday afternoon when it wouldn't gain much attention.

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Are you outrageously outraged- with outrage yet, "father bob"? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 4:49 PM:

" Hey fb, do you hear a mouse squeaking on this thread? lol! "

Blue Dog Democrat wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Obamulism: keep kissing the tail that's between your legs, victory was never so sweet. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Peppered with questions ranging from the right to bear arms, the use of nunchucks and her controversial "wise Latina" comment, Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor carefully responded Tuesday to Republican scrutiny of her judicial record, as Democrats sprang to her defense.
Fox news- (notice the editorial in that bit of "hard" news)

Let's face it, the Dems have the votes to put her in and this is nothing more that a chance for the Pubs to pander to their base. Trying to paint an Hispanic as a racist is hilarious, especially when the attack is being led by a conservative southern senator well known for his racist comments Too bad that the candidate won't have the opportunity to ask this clown why he insists on calling black men boys. It doesn't get any better than this folks. The Republican party continues to wallow in it's own demise. No wonder Sarahcuda looks so good to that bunch of sorehead losers. LOL!

Stay tuned for a Sarah update. I'll have more to report after her daily press conference. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:07 PM:

" " Hey fb, do you hear a mouse squeaking on this thread? lol! "
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I'm sure you hear lots of things Mr Potter. No doubt the results of all that cheap Mexican medication you acquire on your travels to Juarez.

What a coincidence that you both happen to frequent the very same small city of Alamogordo. It's simply uncanny. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:21 PM:

" Mr Potter, I've noticed that I've distracted you away from your (The Question) posts. They seem to be conspicuously missing all of a sudden.

Oh and, do hurry back as "father bob", I'm not through with "him" yet.

;-) "

The Question wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:30 PM:

" Fox News showed Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham's questioning of Sonia Sotomayor IN FULL then immediately cut away from the questions posed by Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin -- just as I knew they would.
Why? Because I know that Fox News is a lying Republican propaganda machine, and does not practice journalism at all. "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:30 PM:

" i see he broke out the BDD persona to "throw us off".......LMAO!! "

The Question wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:33 PM:

" Fox News also aired Republican John Kyl's questions for Sonia Sotomayor IN FULL, then cut away from Democrat Charles Schumer. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:36 PM:

" Apparently Mr Potter's "kamfong" (just as his "father bob") also has some rather strong connections to Mexico:

(kamfong wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:56 AM:
" I'll bring some unique painters back from mexico with me ,they paint murals allday long on the sides of buildings down here for FREE, then run.lol ")

What are the odds? Simply amazing.

You simply can't keep your mouth shut, can you Mr Potter. Your verbal diarrhea is very enlightening. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:36 PM:

" The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results.
(falsely attributed to)Benjamin Franklin

The mouse keeps on squeaking and getting the same results so I guess that tells us all we need to know. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 6:15 PM:

" I'm still waiting for your condemnation of the Military Recruiters death, "father bob".

And you seem to be uncharacteristically closed-mouthed about Obama's actions on interrogations, and indefinite imprisonment, and torture through extraordinary rendition. What's wrong Mr Potter, did I throw you some toughies? "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 6:37 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 6:15 PM:

" I'm still waiting for your condemnation of the Military Recruiters death, "father bob".""""

you have mistaken me with someone who actually cares what YOU think or want.

you stand out in the road and wait for tomorrow's issue of the JG-TC....it
ll be in there.....really....i...um...promise!!

ROFLMAO! "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 6:40 PM:

" hey harry....you happen to know anyone in chicago? how about champaign? he11 harry i'll bet you might even know someone in st. louis!!.....LMAO!! "

Blue Dog Democrat wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:08 PM:

" Obamulism: it's the size of a burrito that matters most. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:17 PM:

" Mr Potter (or rather) "father bob", now would be a good time to conjure up some more anonymous posters to substantiate your claims that, "Yes indeed, we all visit Alamogordo on a regular basis, and of course we all slip on over to Juarez for some cheap prescriptions and some inexpensive silver jewelry."
And then maybe you could "both" explain to everyone how it's a-okay to publicly advocate the death of Bush and Cheney and yet, somehow it's strictly verboten to even talk about Obama's skin color. Now that would make a well-rounded Left-Loon evening. Don't you "two" agree? "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:20 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 5:36 PM:

" Apparently Mr Potter's "kamfong" (just as his "father bob") also has some rather strong connections to Mexico:""""""

yeah.....i've spent some time in arcola. keep coming with thee theories! you're too ***king funny! "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:22 PM:

" Blue Dog Democrat wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:08 PM:

" Obamulism: it's the size of a burrito that matters most. """""

and here i thought "stanley" was in charge of the one liners!!!!

hehehehehe! "

father bob wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:24 PM:

" ooooops......better go check the ribs "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:39 PM:

" "you have mistaken me with someone who actually cares what YOU think or want."
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And with that the Harry Potter persona "father bob" ducks and runs for cover. Apparently he's not quite so outrageously-outraged about human-rights abuses when it's his very own President Obama who's doing the "abusing". Just like his Harry Potter character, he's all mouth and no substance. Perhaps you should alter the dosages of those Mexican meds you've been purchasing "father bob". Or perhaps you're having trouble "el comprender" the label? Judging from your posts, I'm quite certain the word "alucingeno" is on the bottle somewhere. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 7:41 PM:

" " ooooops......better go check the ribs "
----------

Perhaps you should check your head "father bob"......for that whistling hole. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 14, 2009 9:07 PM:

" Look at it this way fb, at least X is keeping busy with his inane drivel on Obama and claiming everyone who ever agrees with you or I are the same person, at least he giving the handicapped kids a break. I seem to recall him making fun of them a while back when he was posting as Doh, no wait a minute wasn't that Stanley Stetson, or was it BBD or Neo or perhaps old school? Aw heck, I can't remember which name he was using when he was mocking those poor disabled kids. One thing's for sure, no matter what name he uses, the style was classic Sybil. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 14, 2009 9:29 PM:

" Oh good heavens Mr Potter, is your "father bob" really a mentally disabled youngster with emotional disorders, as opposed to you- a man in his mid-60's who acts like an emotionally disturbed child? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:35 AM:

" Hey fb, maybe we can get the stalking troll to do an evaluation on you, if you recall, he was doing mental health evaluations on his fellow posters a while back. I don't recall if he did one on you or not. With all his talents, I'll bet he's the hit at all those parties that he gets invited to. He probably awes the crown with his impersonations. He seems to be getting a lot of practice on here as well as with his fellow shelf stockers out at Wally World. Maybe his stalking is a carry over from his shelf stocking, and he just doesn't know the difference between the two words. Maybe he's just confused. "

The Question wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:54 AM:

" This is the frenzy that always precedes the crack-up, you know. "

Bps wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:23 AM:

" Major victory for Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace!

A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida who was scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days was a part of MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermanns tantrum last night when he called Cook a "jackass" and his attorney a "conwoman," .

He continued and labeled both of them the "worst persons in the world." He flayed the soldier as "an embarrassment to all those who have served without cowardice."

Whew Olber-mister why show so such much hate?

What could these dastardly people do to raise your ire to such an elevated level?

The Olber-mister labels them such simply because the Major has filed a lawsuit that questions the legitimacy of President Obama to hold his office and to ask that a certified, long form birth certificate is released.

The suit was filed and was (note the word was) scheduled to come before the judge very shortly.

But guess what- although he was scheduled to go to Afghanistan within days the DOJ revoked his orders.

Does this mean as the attorney said- "that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"

Hum, could it be after all these months of the Presidents men's efforts and his spending of huge sums of money to stop any and all access to almost all his past records, that there is finally a crack in his defensive walls?

After all, as the attorney also said- there cannot be any harm to the president if he is legitimately holding office. If he is legitimate, then his vital records will prove it, If he is illegitimate, then he should not have been there in the first place."

Although the little flame war has been fun to watch and I hate to interrupt it, I just have to know from our resident liberal gang (??):

FB, TQ, Hp, Dohbaugh,(?),- maybe you can tell us poor conservatives why the left is so terrified the anointed ones records will be reveled just like every other presidents before him? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:41 AM:

" Now that our president has selected another female minority for a high profile position that requires senate confirmation, will the Republicans continue their attacks. Considering that they are risking the Hispanic vote over their dogmatic pounding of Sotomayor, will they do the same think to a black female. Not a very wise move on their part, especially when they don't have the votes to block her confirmation. As they GOP continues to pander to their radical base, they are moving father away from main stream America. Is it any wonder why they're in free fall? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:43 AM:

" So the stalking troll admits to watching CNBC. lol! "

father bob wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:05 AM:

" darn harry....my hilarious and targeted "whistling hole" comment didn't make it past the censor...er ....moderator.

and i'm tellin' ya, it was funny! "

father bob wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:11 AM:

" Bps wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:23 AM:
" Major victory for Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace!
""""""

hehehe...."major victory"? did i miss something? i don't recall this as been to hearing yet, let alone a suit.

yes Doh, there are whackos in the military too! "

Angry White Female wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Some fail to understand why Republicans are wary of Sotomayor being confirmed to the supreme court. Not only does she think her job is to make policy (a job for the legislature) not just enforce it, she made racist statements how she as a wise latina woman could make better decisions because of her life experiences than a white male. Any white male making such a statement would effectively end his career with a comment like that. Now she's backpeddling on her own comments. Unfortunately the republicans don't have enough votes to stop her but at least they are strong enough to voice their disapproval of a candidate with such backwards ideas. "

The Question wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:30 AM:

" Today, the Fox News special coverage with Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly ended JUST AS SOON AS Sen. Tom Coburn, described by Kelly as "the last Republican," concluded his questioning. That edited out the next three senators. Can you guess what party those senators were from, kiddies? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 11:15 AM:

" Perhaps desperate for new ways to undermine Barack Obamas presidency, Fox News has joined forces with the birthers, the fringe who irrationally claim that Obamas presidency is illegitimate because he was not born in the U.S. As Think Progress has reported, Obamas Hawaii birth certificate is widely available on the internet. FactCheck.org has also extensively researched the subject. Their conclusion: Born in the U.S.A. But Fox News has started reporting on birthers without noting the baselessness of their claims, and in ways that lend legitimacy to their efforts.
News Hounds-

Good old Fox news, fair and balanced as always... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 11:30 AM:

" This latest development may be breaking new boundaries in guilt-by-association political attacks.

The conservative judicial activist group Committee for Justice released an ad on Tuesday connecting Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the '60s radical and Obama campaign scourge Bill Ayers. The ad begins with a shot of Ayers, but it quickly traverses to the current Supreme Court confirmation process.
Sam Stein-

And hey, the GOP senators managed to go a full 4 minutes before bringing up the "wise Latina" comment the umpteenth time. lol!

I was going to report on the latest Palin ethics charge but that's becoming a daily occurance these days, so it's nothing new. I'm sure before the day is over she'll manage to get before the camera and put her foot in her ignorant mouth.

And for my friend fb, the fact that you live in New Mexico and I have relatives there seems to be quite a coincidence. What are the odds. Probably about a million to one, huh? Our friend kam is reporting from Texas and I have a sister that lives there, so I guess that's conclusive proof too. Maybe the poster who logs in on his site as Texas T is me too, huh? I think the resident stalking troll needs to take a course in logic. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 11:33 AM:

" Fox News showed Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham's questioning of Sonia Sotomayor IN FULL then immediately cut away from the questions posed by Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin -- just as I knew they would.

I've noticed that they've been doing throughout the hearings, TQ. Fair and balanced, huh? lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 11:41 AM:

" And speaking of the fair and balanced network, I saw where they showed a picture of Bush and next to him was the GOP senator caught up in the latest serial sex scandals parade of that party. Boy, they pulled that one off the screen in a hurry. I'll bet some low level technician got a good chewing out over that one. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 12:34 PM:

" .... If political figures stand for ideas, victimization is what Ms. Palin is all about. It is her brand, her myth. Ronald Reagan stood tall. John McCain was about service. Barack Obama has hope. Sarah Palin is a collector of grievances. She runs for high office by griping.....
Wall Stret Journal- "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 4:53 PM:

" Hang in there AWF, Sarahcuda is coming to save the day. "

father bob wrote on Jul 15, 2009 5:18 PM:

" seriously harry and TQ, besides the illiterate, gun toting, biblethumping, dimwitted neo-cants, just exactly who can this illiterate, gun toting, biblethumping, dimwitted neo-cant possibly appeal to?

in a poll released last night almost 70% of republican voters would NOT vote for her.

guess bill crystal and william murdoch have their poster girl! "

Blue Dog Democrat wrote on Jul 15, 2009 5:35 PM:

" What is FactCheck.org ?

Fact Check is a propaganda wing of The Annenberg Foundation.

Its full title is Annenberg Political Fact Check.
Who ran Annenberg?

Barack Hussein Obama was on the Board of Directors from 1995-2001, and was the Chairman from 1995-1999.

Obama and Ayers served together on the board as well.

-internet blogger "

Angry White Female wrote on Jul 15, 2009 5:50 PM:

" Go Saracuda! It amazes me, you libs have CBS,NBC,ABC,PBS,CNN,MSNBC etc. and you all feel threatened by little ol FOX news. I guess free speech is supposed to only go one way, yours. The other networks leave plenty out of their reporting as well. You want fair and balanced, watch both and make up your own minds after having all the facts. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 6:00 PM:

" It seems like only yesterday that the outraged Far-Left posters (both of them) were filled with indignant outrageous-outrage over the fiendish plot of the diabolic-duo of Bush/Cheney to actually target *gasp* the leadership of Al Qaeda for assassination. (Actually that was two days ago.)

So, what happened to all of that outrageously outraged-outrage?

Did it go the same way of "father-bob's" moral self-righteousness over Obama's human rights abuses? Into silent partisan oblivion? Why, yes. Yes it did. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 6:10 PM:

" Even WaPo laughing at Dems' plan to have the rich pay for health care

WashingtonPost July 15 2009- Even if Congress pulls off a budget-neutral expansion of health care, the gap between federal revenue and expenditures will reach 7 percent of gross domestic product in 2020, according to the Congressional Budget Office. And thats assuming that the economy returns to full employment between now and then. The long-term deficit is driven by the aging of the population as well as by growing health-care costs, both contributing to Social Security and Medicare expenses. There is simply no way to close the gap by taxing a handful of high earners. The House actions echo President Obamas unrealistic campaign promise that he can build a larger, more progressive government while raising taxes on only the wealthiest.
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Say, tell me, when are the 95% of all us taxpayers going to get that big tax break that Mr Hope-n-Change promised so smoothly from the campaign stump?

TQ? Harry Potter? Father Bob Potter? Any Potter? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? "

The Question wrote on Jul 15, 2009 6:59 PM:

" As Bill Maher observed, the Republican senators have focused on the real racist problem here -- those Puerto Rican women who have their tyrant's boots on the throat of the poor, powerless white man in America. "

Bps wrote on Jul 15, 2009 7:59 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:11 AM:
" Bps wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:23 AM:
" Major victory for Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace!
""""""
hehehe...."major victory"? did i miss something? i don't recall this as been to hearing yet, let alone a suit.

yes Doh, there are whackos in the military too! "
-------------------
Sigh

You are paranoid arent you?

Your little ongoing flame war got you that shook up that now everybody is doh?

In some of my very first posts on this site you and HP accused me of being someone else.

You must be very scared of this Doh.

Guess he must have toasted you pretty bad huh?

Want to keep an eye just in case right?

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not Doh, Dorothy, BDD or any other poster.

I post under BPS. I dont need a bunch of names to support my own posts or feed me lines like some hum fb?

To answer your question, yes you did miss something.

Out of courtesy and since you might be A-ADD, let me help you out with what the post actually said in short form:

The DOJ pulled the orders instead of continuing the court case. They couldnt or wouldnt defend your anointed ones clam to being native born. That was the major victory. The case goes on as other members of the military have joined the suit so more will be coming.

But maybe you are not A-ADD, maybe you just arent civilized enough to show the courtesy to bother to read others posts before you bother to comment.

Hum I seem to remember that you said that one time? Yep, a little searching the net and I quote:

father bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:10 AM:
" ROFLMAO!!....i think Bps is gonna blow a gasket!

he's whining just like our old friend Dorothy!

funny thing is, they think i actually read all that long list of blathering drivel they post....geeezzzzzzz "

Yep, sounds just like a lot of your posts. Accuse someone of being a shill and make poorly thought out statements with out even reading the content you comment on.

Now back to the real topic:

Of course as I belive you or another of your little group of personalities has said- even if it is true there is little chance now that the truth of this will ever come out.

Your anointed one has had more than enough time and had access to more than enough resources that the required documents and supporting files surely show the right information by now.

It is interesting though that those members of the military which you and your cohorts have shown so much disrespect for in the past are the ones standing up and challenging this.

Anyway, you poked the bear, now you can go back to your little flame war.

You have fun now. Be sure to keep an eye out for that nasty old Doh, you cant know where he will come from next.

Hope you dont get toasted again (at least not to badly). lol "

father bob wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:19 PM:

" OH MY!

after tuning to billo tonight i've learned the white male in america has been/will be eradicated....

any "brothers" out there want to play golf in Albuquerque, speak up, i want to buy the club at a discount!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:27 PM:

" " Go Saracuda! It amazes me, you libs have CBS,NBC,ABC,PBS,CNN,MSNBC etc. and you all feel threatened by little ol FOX news.

Sorry AWF, but I really don't think anyone feels threatened by Fox new, most of us like to make fun of them for their manipulation of the facts, staged news, blatant propaganda and their claim to actually be a news network. No one wants to see them shut down, actually they provide hours of entertainment, just like the scatter brained Sarahcuda who provide a lot of comic relief. "

father bob wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:37 PM:

" hmmmmm......stalking college boys...anyone remember that one? 2 weeks of panting and raving. "

Bps wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:46 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 11:15 AM:
" Perhaps desperate for new ways to undermine Barack Obamas presidency, Fox News has joined forces with the birthers, the fringe who irrationally claim that Obamas presidency is illegitimate because he was not born in the U.S. As Think Progress has reported, Obamas Hawaii birth certificate is widely available on the internet. FactCheck.org has also extensively researched the subject. Their conclusion: Born in the U.S.A. But Fox News has started reporting on birthers without noting the baselessness of their claims, and in ways that lend legitimacy to their efforts.
News Hounds-

Good old Fox news, fair and balanced as always... "
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Sigh, havent we been through this same argument that you have used several times before HP?

Poor old HP, you just dont understand why all those nasty ol people out there dont love your anointed one like you do.

Again, here are just SOME of the problems those old nasty dissenters have:

First of all what you refer to as a birth certificate isnt. It is simply a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth.

The Hawaiian certification of live birth that Obama posted on his website as proof of birth would not be accepted in Hawaii for most legal use and doesnt meet most federal government requirements for proof.

All known images of this document are a poorly scanned copy of only one side and it does not contain any information about which hospital he was born at or who the attending physician was.

It has only been offered as an image on the internet.

It cannot and has not been verified and offers no proof of anything. A copy of the back side has never been furnished as an image or in any other form.

Certifications of live birth were widely issued to Hawaiians born in foreign countries in 1961, the year Obama was born.

No irrefutable evidence or verifiable documents exists that definitively proves when, where or how the President was born.

I could go on, as I have said in previous posts, I have no idea if he is or isnt and my biggest concern is:

Why hasnt he just had the Hawaiian agency issue a certified copy of the long form birth certificate that does list all appropriate information.

If that was done and what he has said is true, it would be legally acceptable and would shut up all nay Sayers?

In fact it would make them all look like fools.

It cant be the cost because it is estimated he has spent over a million bucks to hide and protect these and all others of his documents. What does a certified copy cost, ten bucks?

As I just posted to your old buddy fb, at this point it probably doesnt matter.

Even if the allegations were true, it is a sure bet your anointed one has had more than enough time and access to the right resources to make sure all the right copies and records now exist.

Sad isnt it?

If he had released it when he was first asked all of this could have been avoided. Now it goes on forever. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:06 PM:

" Another Republican scandal is brewing. Watch for upcoming news of the latest GOP fiasco: C street. This one may be so big that even Fox won't be able to keep out of their reporting, but of course they will do their best to downplay it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:11 PM:

" Hey fb, ever notice that when the troll stops posting so do "certain" others? He comes back and magically so does his other personalities. Oops, the cat's out of the bag. Watch for a change in strategy change now. He'll have to slip some of his other personalities in once in a while. Bet on it. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 9:58 PM:

" Ah yes, Bill Maher; the Liberal Loon who openly expressed his admiration for the 9/11 hijackers' "courage". How appropriate that you should cite his "wisdom", TQ. How very appropriate indeed. Birds of a feather...... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Good news: At her Supreme Court Nomination Hearings today Sotomayor confused "eminent" with "imminent" - twice.

She also confused "providence" with "province" and said "story of knowledge" when she meant "store of knowledge".

Thank goodness for this "wise" racist Latino woman. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:43 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 15, 2009 8:37 PM:
" hmmmmm......stalking college boys...anyone remember that one? 2 weeks of panting and raving. "
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Keep your disgusting hobbies to yourself Mr Potter. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 15, 2009 10:54 PM:

" Oh my: Obama drops nine points overall, 15 points among independent, in one month.

Net approval: Down 15 points since June. Net who say theyd vote to reelect Mr Hope-n-Change rather than vote for someone else: A measly +3, down 13 points. Number who say theyre confident the stimulus will turn the economy around: 39 percent, also down 13 points. And the number who say the countrys "seriously off on the wrong track": 55 percent, up 13 points.

Smells like "change"- doesn't it.

;-) "

The Question wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:10 AM:

" One element is essential to tyranny -- unchecked, unlimited, unilateral power. And Cheney's secret death squads are the very definition of it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:28 AM:

" Yeah fb, I remember that disgusting incident. It was almost as bad as his mocking handicapped kids for weeks at a time. The really sad thing is that a lot of good posters have left this site over his constant bullying, harassing, stalking and inane claims about everyone being someone else on here. "

greenwave90 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:47 AM:

" LMAO @ 7x (Keep your disgusting hobbies to yourself Mr Potter) lol. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 7:48 AM:

" Tom Gilroy on the Sotomayor confirmation
hearings:

The point of putting a "racially insensitive" white man up to question a Latina has nothing to do with bad GOP planning and everything to do with intimidation. Republicans know she's getting confirmed; what they really want to do is intimidate the White House, the media, and me and you from embracing progressive views.

So, if you're going to embrace affirmative action, feminism, equal rights, economic fairness, civil rights, -- Jesus, even empathy -- you stand warned you will be attacked. It has nothing to do with defeating Sotomayer and everything to do with discrediting what most Americans believe and intimidating us from expressing it. It's also a signal to their dwindling base -- disenfranchised, uneducated whites -- that the GOP is still the party of the cluelessly and inarticulately disgruntled. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:31 AM:

" Sotomayor not clear on the difference between "vagaries" and "vagrancies" either

" These malapropisms would only be noteworthy and revealing if they were spoken by a certain country bumpkin Republican governor of Alaska. When a wise Latina accidentally says "vagrancies of the moment" instead of "vagaries of the moment" during the oral argument of the Ricci case, were supposed to ignore the slip-up, as the Wall Street Journal did, but make sure to inform readers that they should be impressed by the fact that The Catholic-school-educated judge clearly knew the Latin plural of 'forum.' "

-John McCormack/TheWeeklyStandard "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:33 AM:

" The Supreme Court overruled Sotomayor on Ricci

In case you Left-Loon Partisan Hacks missed this:

The Supreme Court ruled that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor (Wise Latino Broad) endorsed as an appeals court judge. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:47 AM:

" "One element is essential to tyranny -- unchecked, unlimited, unilateral power."
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Oh I agree TQ. Obama has all the hallmarks of a tyrant. Perhaps you missed his Executive Order to detain terror suspects....indefinitely? Or how about his idea of sending them to "battlefield prisons"? And I believe he has expanded the use of kidnapping and torturing suspects by foreign Intel agencies. And uhm....yes, I do recall that he has embraced warrantless wiretapping. And apparently you missed the fact that the Obama Admin has been defending Bush's interrogation tactics?

Where's your hyperventilating-weeping-and-gnashing-of-teeth and your outrageously-outraged-outrage on all these dire human rights abuses, Question? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:52 AM:

" " And Cheney's secret death squads are the very definition of it. "
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I'm sure you mourn the loss of your murderous Jihadist brethren on long winter evenings, don't you Question.

Yes. Of course you do.

(well....only if Bush ordered their deaths. Obama? Not so much-eh?) "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:04 AM:

" someone please call tom andres and tell him according to his idol at False News, bill-o the clown, his whiteness is being devalued. the appointment of a latino woman by a black man means a loss of authority and voice in this country. "

ed miller wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:06 AM:

" Once again, the Obama fanboys fail to address the original post. None of them will go on record claiming the Cap and Trade bill is good for the country. Instead, they try to deflect focus on Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, or who is posting under what name, or some other insignificant diversion to keep the focus off of their elected government destroying our economy. "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:11 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:28 AM:
" Yeah fb, I remember that disgusting incident. It was almost as bad as his mocking handicapped kids for weeks at a time. The really sad thing is that a lot of good posters have left this site over his constant bullying, harassing, stalking and inane claims about everyone being someone else on here. """""

yeah funny thing....he and the two disappeared at exactly the same time. i suppose there may have been some kind of "hookup" elsewhere.....then his return under yet another moniker. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 11:14 AM:

" " The really sad thing is that a lot of good posters have left this site "
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Come now Mr Potter. You can bring those "posters" names back anytime you wish. Besides, now would be the perfect time to bring your Early Bird pseudonym back to keep your "father bob" company- no?

You're still seething over the fact that I exposed your "Dohbaugh" name aren't you Mr Potter. Fess up now. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 12:46 PM:

" And speaking of Flush Limbaugh, I heard him mocking Sotomayor for her imperfect language usage the morning. Flush says it's an important issue because judges need a have a good command of English.

I wonder why Flush never mentioned his hero, Bush (without a doubt the most inarticulate president in history), butchering the language on a daily basis. Perhaps in his small mind it's not important for a president to be articulate. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 1:08 PM:

" Catherine Crabill, the Republican Party's nominee for Virginia's 99th District in the House of Delegates, gave a speech at a recent political event suggesting that Second Amendment rights could be used to defend the anti-tax Tea Party movement. The strange assertion was picked up by Virginia political blogger Not Larry Sabato.

"We have the chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box," Crabill said. "That's the beauty of our Second Amendment rights ... Our Second Amendment rights were to guard against tyranny."
Huffington post-

She must love Billo the clown of Fox too. lol! "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 3:07 PM:

" harry, all i can say is he just musta got really hung up on that down-low stuff. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 3:11 PM:

" yeah funny thing....he and the two disappeared at exactly the same time.

Yeah fb, them seem to come and go together. Close knit family, I suppose. I wonder what he did with the rest of his tribe? Maybe he lost his cheatsheet. At the rate he's going, I expect him to accuse himself of being me any day now. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 3:18 PM:

" Republicans would like to see Mitt Romney run for president again in 2012, a new poll suggests.

The Gallup poll, released on Wednesday, asked Republicans and Republican-leaning independents to chose between six possible candidates for the 2012 Republican nomination.

Romney, who was a front-runner for the 2008 nomination, came out on top with 26 percent of respondents. That gives the former Massachusetts Governor a slight advantage over Sarah Palin, who was chosen by 21 percent of the survey voters.

Oops, Sarahcuda better hold some more of those whiny press conferences telling the world how she being abused.

Romney, aka Bush light, seems to be outdistancing the queen of the tundra. lol!

Don't worry Palin fans, there's always the third party route for her and Joe the fake plumber to take. "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 3:42 PM:

" good old republican ethics and morality at it's finest:

Witness: Evangelist joked about underage bride

By JON GAMBRELL

A former follower of evangelist Tony Alamo told a federal jury Thursday that the minister often joked about taking an underage girl with him on the road as a wife and sex partner.

Prosecutors called the 33-year-old Texas woman to the stand to corroborate testimony from a Florida woman who said she "married" Alamo at age 15. The Texas woman is not among those identified as victims in a 10-count federal indictment against Alamo.

The government accuses Alamo, 74, of taking young girls across state lines for sex. Defense lawyers say the government has targeted the ministry, and Alamo says the trial is part of a Vatican-led conspiracy against him. He could spend the rest of his life in prison if convicted. "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 3:58 PM:

" Obama says people in charge of helping themselves

By PHILIP ELLIOTT Associated Press

NEW YORK Heralding the NAACP for a century of courage and progress, President Barack Obama will come before the nation's oldest civil rights organization Thursday with a message of shared responsibility: Government can help communities, but people are in charge of helping themselves.

Obama, the nation's first black president, is to deliver comments over dinner at the civil rights group's 100 convention.

The speech is Obama's first so directly linked with race since he took office; the White House says Obama has worked on it for about two weeks.

"It's about, in large part, the courage that it took to start the NAACP 100 years ago, and some of the things that they've gone through in the organization and in the community, and what the next 100 years looks like," White House spokesman Bill Burton told reporters traveling with Obama.

Obama will make clear that while the government can help, "individuals will have to take responsibility," according to Burton. The president is expected to make that point, in particular, on matters of education and economic opportunity.

give me an Hallelujah !! "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM:

" Harry and TQ, did you guys see the video of Mccains daughter calling joe the plunger a dumb a55? "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:12 PM:

" oooops.....need to do a promo spot:

please support Planned Parenthood. your contributions are tax deductible.

FB "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:29 PM:

" hilarious! the NRA opposes the supreme court appointment of judge Sonya Sotomayor!!

let's see. a bunch of uneducated white men being told by rich white men and large corporations that healthcare reform is wrong, leaving iraq is wrong, investigating torture is wrong, cutting runaway defense spending is wrong...and now a female latino judge is a threat to their very being and the loss of their guns.

but i digress....here's the facts:

Sotomayor has said she recognizes an individual right to firearms in the Supreme Court's decision in the 2007 case District of Columbia v. Heller. The high court in that instance ruled that a sweeping handgun ban in the nation's capital violated the constitutional right to "keep and bear arms." (CNN) "

The Question wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:41 PM:

" It was hilarious, FB. The GOP is officially a freak show.
You know, Dirty Dick Cheney spent his term in office in his secret lair somewhere, giving the American public a well-known gesture.
Then, after the voters kicked his party out of office, Cheney wouldn't shut his yap.
Now, suddenly, he's silent again. Why is that? Maybe because the topic has turned to the secret, unconstitutional death squads he created and operated? "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:52 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 12:46 PM:
" And speaking of Flush Limbaugh, I heard him mocking Sotomayor for her imperfect language usage the morning. Flush says it's an important issue because judges need a have a good command of English.

I wonder why Flush never mentioned his hero, Bush (without a doubt the most inarticulate president in history), butchering the language on a daily basis. Perhaps in his small mind it's not important for a president to be articulate. lol! """"""

judge sotomayor is a very eloquent and articulate speaker.

just another rightwing gouge at anyone who may be educated and intelligent....especially a woman and even more so a minority.

all this as the gop continues to gasp for that last dying breath. i guess they get what they deserve. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:59 PM:

" New White House spin: Stimulus not designed to .... stimulate

Old White House spin: Porkulus has stimulated the economy and "saved or created" 150,000 jobs. New White House spin: Stimulus? What stimulus? ABC reports from somewhere down the rabbit hole, er, the White House briefing room:

ABCNews July 16 2009- "Turns out the $787 billion "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act" (AARA) was not designed for full economic recovery, but rather to "stabilize" the downturn. Thats the word from White House officials today, who held off-camera briefings with reporters on how the AARA is working so far.

Senior Economic Adviser Jared Bernstein said that the economy is improving -- or at least getting "less bad." And he said, that's a good thing."
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That's right people, Porkulus was only about making things "less bad". Now watch the shiny object; You're getting sleepy......very sleepy....... "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Jul 16, 2009 5:32 PM:

" A capitol H on Harry?? Why?? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 5:56 PM:

" Biden today: "We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt"

In other words: We must bankrupt the country to avoid bankrupting it.

You can't make this stuff up folks...... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:12 PM:

" " A capitol H on Harry?? Why?? "
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Because I've rattled Mr Potter so badly the last few days he's starting to get a tad sloppy as he frantically switches back and forth between his "Harry Potter" and "father bob" persona's. The mask just keeps slipping...... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 6:37 PM:

" Politico: Another round of AIG bonuses: Wheres the outrage?

Say uhm.....don't the Democrats *own* the White House *and* Congress?
Would one of you perpetually-outraged morally-superior partisan-hack Liberals in here like to explain this little slice of Hope-n-Change? "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 7:26 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 16, 2009 4:41 PM:

" It was hilarious, FB. The GOP is officially a freak show.
You know, Dirty Dick Cheney spent his term in office in his secret lair somewhere, giving the American public a well-known gesture.
Then, after the voters kicked his party out of office, Cheney wouldn't shut his yap.
Now, suddenly, he's silent again. Why is that? Maybe because the topic has turned to the secret, unconstitutional death squads he created and operated? """""

TQ....if there were a HE11, he'll suely be toasty. "

father bob wrote on Jul 16, 2009 7:30 PM:

" WOW....... what a speech to the NAACP. one of those hair-raising i'm finally proud of my nation again speeches.

the guy is amazing and will lead us out of the darkness that has threatened our country for the pat 8 years. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:45 PM:

" You're gonna love this one fb. I had a friend over the other day who has taught English and journalism for over twenty years at the college level. The conversation turned to this site. She wasn't familiar with it and had no idea that I was regular poster. I picked out several posts by you, myself, TQ and the troll and his aliases and asked her to try to guess who was posting under different names. After about 20 minutes or so she able to make several hits. I asked her how she did it and she said that she was used to having students turn other peoples work in as their own and it wasn't hard for her to spot any and all similarities. I asked her if she though father bob, TQ or Harry Potter were the same person, she just laughed and said no way, but when I asked about the troll and a couple of his pseudonyms, she said very definitely. She was able to match the troll up with two of the aliases, without any prodding from me, that you and I have said all along. Thought you would get a kick out of that.

Oh, and she volunteered that it looked like Sybil might have a personality disorder or at the very least was a very unhappy person. She said she was trying very hard to disguise herself, but was coming up short. She also referred to her actions of accusing others of posting under different names as a case of classic transference. She added that Sybil was not a normal person and could probably use some form of counseling to learn to deal with her anti-social problems. In addition to her PhD in English, my friend has a Masters in psychology and worked in the mental health field for a while before obtaining her PhD. I concurred with her analysis of our friend, the resident troll.

In closing, she chided me for teasing the troll and I responded that it was too much fun to stop, especially when I know what buttons to push to get him cranked up. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:48 PM:

" i guess they get what they deserve.

Agreed fb, and they got it, Palin and Limbaugh. And I shouldn't forget Joe the fake plumber who is now a regular speaker at GOP functions. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:17 PM:

" " Maybe because the topic has turned to the secret, unconstitutional death squads he created and operated? "
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That's right father bob, secret diabolical death squads to kill the leadership of Al Qaeda. And so secret in fact, that the New York Times reported on it in 2002.

So where's your moral outrage over Obama's Executive Order to detain terror suspects indefinitely?

Or how about his idea of sending them to "battlefield prisons"?

And what about Obama's expanded use of kidnapping and torturing of terror suspects by foreign Intel agencies?

And what about Obama's full support of warrantless wiretapping?

And what about the fact that the Obama Admin has been defending Bush's interrogation tactics?

Where's your outrage on those issues bob? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:23 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 8:45 PM:
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You're trying much too hard Mr Potter. You definitely doth protest far too much.

Let's recap:

(Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2009 7:03 AM:
" Of course it was me posting under that name Sybil, I have changed my posting name (actually twice).)

You're really seething that I exposed your name-changing aren't you Mr Potter. "

ed miller wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:26 PM:

" Wow,

Potter you really do not have any sort of life away from these postings at all, do you. Do you generally discuss the newspaper comments page with your rocket scientist friends from NASA too? I'm sure they were just green with envy as you proudly displayed your witty postings calling labeling Sarah Palin as a moose.

sad. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 9:57 PM:

" Actually I do have a friend who worked for NASA, eddie. Not an astronaut or an rocket scientist, just a mid level engineer. lol! And I'm sure I travel with a higher class of friends than you do. Most of my friends agree that Sarahcuda is a joke, but I'm sure you and your friends are enamored with her. You seem to be the type that Palin would appeal to. "

Bps wrote on Jul 16, 2009 10:17 PM:

" had a friend over the other day who has taught English and journalism for over twenty years at the college level..
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All I can say is wow, this is really sad.

What is next space aliens cracked the JG-TC data base and told you so? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 10:31 PM:

" ... especially when I know what buttons to push to get him cranked up.

Sorry to quote myself, but you have to admit I predicted that one. lol!

I speak and the stalking toll keeps on hoppin'. "

STINKY wrote on Jul 16, 2009 10:45 PM:

" 100 Comments!!! We did it you guys! "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Jul 16, 2009 11:10 PM:

" * tell yuo friend to get money back hary pamar * lol * "

knobren wrote on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 AM:

" Well, the comments don't seem to be related to the column any more, but I just read them and want to respond to the following from medic57:

" knobren - You forgot 1 little fact, the pieces of Ice that broke off were already floating, which mean they had NO effect on Ocean levels. "

The ice sheets breaking off won't raise the level of water, but why do you think they broke off? - Because the ocean temp has risen. Ice sheets reflect more of the sun's heat back into space than water does, so the ocean temp will increase and melt more ice, etc. Also, some ice sheets hold back glaciers that are not floating, so glacial melt would increase the level of the ocean.

Becky, I don't know where you get your information from, but it is overwhelmingly clear that climate change is happening. There is some disagreement about how to model the effects of the changes, because of the complex interactions of weather, climate, etc., but no reputable scientist familiar with the data would disagree that climate change is occuring. "

knobren wrote on Jul 17, 2009 1:57 AM:

" Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" Movie: Fact or Hype?Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News

Updated May 25, 2006

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/060524-global-warming.html

Short video on global warming

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/player/environment/global-warming-environment/global-warming-101.html "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 6:46 AM:

" It's all over. Sotomayor is on her way to being seated on the Supreme Court. In reality, this was nothing but a chance for the GOP members to pander to their base, and in doing so came across looking rather foolish. Is it any wonder that the GOP is is in such a mess? Their idea to all of our problems is use Nancy Reagan's failed idea of just saying no. Ignoring her 17 years worth of cases, the GOP members resorted to personal attacks on her character. Considering that she is an Hispanic, I would question the wisdom of that line of attack. But given the fact that she has shown a long history of adhering to the law and being an impartial judge, I guess that was all they could come up with. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 7:50 AM:

" For weeks on end Cheney wouldn't shut up and it appears that he's gone back into hiding. Huddling with his attorneys? "

father bob wrote on Jul 17, 2009 9:23 AM:

" Harry, TQ

you gotta take 7 minutes and watch/listen to glen beck have another a total meltdown.

what's with these fanatical righwing talkshow hosts and drug addiction?

http://tinyurl.com/lzeuh5 "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2009 10:59 AM:

" what's with these fanatical righwing talkshow hosts and drug addiction?
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I don't know, FB, but I think it's somehow related to those Republican family values Promise Keepers who jaunt off on sex romps, and to those populist Republican champions who abandon their constituents in their greedy haste to cash in, and to those "law-and-order" Republicans who engage in police-state spying on Americans, torture people and run secret death squads. "

father bob wrote on Jul 17, 2009 12:56 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 7:50 AM:
" For weeks on end Cheney wouldn't shut up and it appears that he's gone back into hiding. Huddling with his attorneys? """""

i you look really hard, you can see him peeking out from behind his daughter's skirt. "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2009 1:48 PM:

" If you look really hard, you can see (Cheney) peeking out from behind his daughter's skirt.
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Okay, that's my favorite post of the day. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 2:31 PM:

" Hey fb & Q, don't forget he's got his wife out there running interference too. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 2:52 PM:

" The American Conservative Union asked FedEx for a check for $2 million to $3 million in return for the groups support in a bitter legislative dispute, then the groups chairman flipped and sided with UPS after FedEx refused to pay.

For the $2 million plus, ACU offered a range of services that included: Producing op-eds and articles written by ACUs Chairman David Keene and/or other members of the ACUs board of directors.
Politico-

I guess conservative values are for sale to the highest bidder these days. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 3:04 PM:

" JACKSON, Miss. The estranged wife of former U.S. Rep. Chip Pickering claims in a lawsuit that the Mississippi Republican had an affair that ruined their marriage and derailed his political career.

Leisha Pickering said in the lawsuit filed this week that her husband and the woman dated in college, reconnected and began having an affair while he was in Congress and living in a building where several Christian lawmakers reside on C Street near the U.S. Capitol. Chip Pickering is the third Republican with ties to the building at 133 C Street SE to find his personal life making headlines in recent weeks, after Nevada U.S. Sen. John Ensign and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.
Huffington post-

As I've said before, the GOP scandals are occurring on an almost daily basis now. "

father bob wrote on Jul 17, 2009 3:16 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 2:52 PM:
"I guess conservative values are for sale to the highest bidder these days. """""

yeah, but you have to catch them at their religious safe haven "C Street".

you may have to pick through a sea of bimbos, but you'll find those values under there somewhere. "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2009 3:36 PM:

" Right-wing integrity is for sale these days, and has been for at least 30 years, Harry. The American Conservative Union just got caught at it.
The idea of honest public information is laughable to them. You're supposed to make a buck off of your tricked-up lies by fleecing the Palin-besotted rubes. After all, Bush and Cheney proved you sell not only your integrity, but a war, in just that fashion. "

father bob wrote on Jul 17, 2009 4:17 PM:

" LOL!.....looks like you beat me to it HP.

sometimes the lag catches you. "

father bob wrote on Jul 17, 2009 4:49 PM:

" Goldman Sachs.....they're breaking the world:

http://tinyurl.com/m9st5c "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 5:36 PM:

" sometimes the lag catches you. "

What do you mean? How can that be, and here I thought we were one in the same. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 5:38 PM:

" Goldman Sachs.....they're breaking the world:

And Sybil breaking the wind on here.... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 17, 2009 6:51 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 5:38 PM:
" Goldman Sachs.....they're breaking the world:

And Sybil breaking the wind on here.... "
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Here we see Mr Potter inadvertently slipping into his "father bob" persona.

Perhaps we'll see some more of his windy stories about his imaginary friends with PhD's in English and Masters degrees in psychology, or even his NASA rocket scientist friends, all to bolster his ongoing charade that he's really not posting under multiple names.

Go ahead Harry- blow. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 17, 2009 7:20 PM:

" Video: Obama vs Obama on stimulus

Watch Obama Lie- http://tinyurl.com/lpbfyx

Conservatives loudly argued that Porkulus wouldn't stimulate in the short term during the debate in Congress over the bill. Obama insisted on misrepresenting that argument as a demand to "do nothing" and claimed that the results would speak for themselves.
And so they have- The only jobs that Obama can claim were "saved" were public-sector jobs, and even then, he's misrepresenting what would have happened in the absence of Porkulus and its state grants. The states would have had to cut jobs, but they would have had a wide range of choices for cutbacks; its highly unlikely that they would have started with teachers, police officers, and firefighters. They would have started with bureaucrats - who belong to the SEIU for the most part, one of the Democratic Party's most important contributors.

Check out the video of Obama and observe just how much of a lying piece of s**t he really is. Now then- who's ready for ObamaCare? "

Albus Dumbledore wrote on Jul 17, 2009 7:41 PM:

" The Internet Is A Wonderful Thing Almost Everything That Gets Posted Can Be Accessed Forever

After Watching Your Constant Accusations On Fellow Posters Of Doing What You Were Doing Your Lie About The College Professor Was The Final Straw

It Only Took About 15 Minutes To Pull The Appropriate Postings From The Archives

The Only Thing Was There Is So Much That It Was Hard To Pick Just A Handful To Use

Busted And Forced To Confess

http://tinyurl.com/nrkh7b
Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2009 7:03 AM:
" OF COURSE IT WAS ME POSTING UNDER THAT NAME SYBIL, I HAVE CHANGED MY POSTING NAME (ACTUALLY TWICE). For someone who changes their posting name on a regular basis, I'm surprised that you would go to so much work trying to prove that anyone else would do what you do with a lot of regularity. You must live a very exciting life, it you get all worked up about such a trivial thing. "

The Original Ruse Used To Drift Away To Martyrdom

http://tinyurl.com/lsgjlx
Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:59 PM:
" Come on fatherbob we don't need to hear that kind of name calling. "

Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 4:36 PM:
" First of all, father bob, I'm sure you realize that I have never made any derogatory remarks to you such as the above phony post. The clown, Doh, has figured out a way to beat the name system at the paper and is now posting all over the place as me. I would appreciate it if you would not think that this idiot is really me. I am hanging up on here for a while and if you see anything posted as me, know that it was the idiot Doh impersonating me, Thanks. I'm sure he will continue with this little junior high game and will insult a lot of people using my name, but that's OK as most will be able to recognize his stupidity. "

Nice Touch Using Father Bob As Part Of The Act

Next You Add Window Dressing As You Thoughtful Wave A Tearful Farewell To Yourself

Harry Potter wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:07 PM:
" Dohbaugh, sorry dude. I'm sure the clown will now start posting nasty comments to other using my name too for this, but I thing the paper let us down. I was watching you two go at it and was enjoying it, but looks like your gonna hang it up, though. Can't say that I blame you, I guess the only thing you could do is to steal his name and continue the battle. Later...

Back And Talking To Yourself Again

http://tinyurl.com/mtmwxx
Dohbaugh wrote on Mar 20, 2008 5:05 PM:
" I don't know about you Grumpy, but I ain't buying that crap about the local politicians not reading these threads. Ervin just says that because he seldom gets any positive coverage on here. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 21, 2008 7:44 AM:
" You're right Dohbaugh, we know the city attorney reads them and at times actually responds, that is, to the ones he has an answer to. Even he ignores the ones that might prove embarrassing to the city. "

Who Does This Except As A Deception To Reinforce Your Own Points

More Examples

Same Deception To Correct A Fellow Poster Just 52 Days After Self Martyrdom

http://tinyurl.com/lfpn6f
Harry Potter wrote on Mar 1, 2008 6:29 PM:
" Becky, please source that comment about over 3000 stops, 300 tickets and only one or two were arrested. Now come on Becky, can you prove that or did you just pull that one out of the air? That seems a gross exaggeration on your part and seems to contradict the numbers usually released from the public relations people at the State Police headquarters, from time to time, especially that low of a number for DUI's, which would be an automatic arrest. I will be very surprised if you can actually support that claim. I'LL JOIN DOHBAUGH IN GIVING YOU A LITTLE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM ABOUT POSTING, AND THAT IS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT INFORMATION OUT AS A FACT, BE SURE YOU CAN BACK IT UP.

Getting Caught At The Ruse And Denying It

http://tinyurl.com/nl5cmm
Harry Potter wrote on Apr 11, 2008 7:55 AM:
" HEY TAMMER65 AND DOHBAUGH, OLD DOH THINKS YOU GUYS ARE ME NOW. I hope you're not too insulted. LOL, AND SPEAKING OF DOHBAUGH, WHERE IS HE AT? I GUESS HE GOT TIRED OF ALL OF THIS AND IS TAKING A BIT OF A BREAK. "

Takes You 182 Days To Be FORCED To Admit The Truth

Enough To Make The Point

To Bad Your Professor Doesnt Exist
Cause She Would Certainly Find Your Behavior With The Many More Names You Are Using Dohbaugh.

Wonder What She Would Make Of This One

http://tinyurl.com/d6sbek

father bob wrote on Feb 26, 2009 9:40 AM:
" we have a leader who can actually articulate an entire sentence."

Wow, he shore does have a purdy xxxx.

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 26, 2009 6:09 PM:
" Wow, he shore does have a purdy xxxx.

SEE WHAT I MEAN, HP? "

Must Be As You Accuse Others

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2009 3:11 PM:
Yeah fb, them seem to come and go together. Close knit family, I suppose. I wonder what he did with the rest of his tribe? MAYBE HE LOST HIS CHEATSHEET. At the rate he's going, I expect him to accuse himself of being me any day now. lol! "

You Might Want To Change Your Name To Geirrodur "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:11 PM:

" Albus Dumbledore? Yet another posing name for the stalking troll. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:44 PM:

" To quote myself:

In closing, she chided me for teasing the troll and I responded that it was too much fun to stop, especially when I know what buttons to push to get him cranked up.

After reading the trolls posts tonight, I think I have proven the above statement. lol!

And to think he's even added another name to his growing list. Should we call him Doh or BlueDogDemocrat or Stanley Stetson or old school or neocon academician or 7X6Z9 or go with the latest, Albus Dumbledore? There's been so many name changes on his part so I'm sure I missed two or three. Wow, he's really worked up tonight over my comments from last night. I really didn't intend for him to go into a complete meltdown.

The Dohbaugh moniker was merely a ruse to keep him cranked up, and it worked, but I really didn't think he would have a breakdown over it. lol!

My friend was right, he could use some professional help. "

Albus Dumbledore wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:53 PM:

" Carefully Read What Is There Geirrodur

Proof Is There For All To See

No Spin Can Disprove The Truth "

Albus Dumbledore wrote on Jul 17, 2009 9:12 PM:

" All Spin Geirrodur

Who Will Now Believe Your Spin

You Use All Your Names Only To Deceive Others And To Make Your Hurtful Comments

Most Knew This And Allowed You To Play Your Game

You Finally Crossed The Line And Forced The Truth To Be Shown For All To See

Your Spin Does Not Make It Go Away

Based On The Truth Of Your Proven Actions Most Will Ask Of Your Spin

Which Of Your Made Up Friends

Was Professional Help Another Unconscious Slip Meaning You "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 17, 2009 9:31 PM:

" "My friend was right, he could use some professional help."
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Which imaginary "friend" are you talking about Mr Potter- the PhD with the Masters in Psychology or the NASA rocket scientist? Or did one of your "friends" from the Senate stop by? Or perhaps a "friend" who won The Nobel Peace Prize? And when did you have any time away from this blog to ever visit with any "friends"? Do tell us another one, Mr Potter. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jul 17, 2009 9:46 PM:

" "The Dohbaugh moniker was merely a ruse to keep him cranked up,"
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Mr Potter now feels the need to explain why he posted along side his "Dohbaugh" name for months. Of course he's lying about his motives; he actually held contrived conversations between his two posting names, all the while denying that he was multi-posting.

The fact that he feels compelled to explain this, and to do so dishonestly- is a definite sign it's getting to him. He's melting down. "

Bps wrote on Jul 17, 2009 11:33 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:44 PM:
" To quote myself:

In closing, she chided me for teasing the troll and I responded that it was too much fun to stop, especially when I know what buttons to push to get him cranked up.

After reading the trolls posts tonight, I think I have proven the above statement. lol!

And to think he's even added another name to his growing list. Should we call him Doh or BlueDogDemocrat or Stanley Stetson or old school or neocon academician or 7X6Z9 or go with the latest, Albus Dumbledore? There's been so many name changes on his part so I'm sure I missed two or three. Wow, he's really worked up tonight over my comments from last night. I really didn't intend for him to go into a complete meltdown.

The Dohbaugh moniker was merely a ruse to keep him cranked up, and it worked, but I really didn't think he would have a breakdown over it. lol!

My friend was right, he could use some professional help. "
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I have to work late and I come in to find out that someone finally really flamed you big time. Used your own words to do it to boot.

I had no clue what Geirrodur was so I looked it up.

While I was reading Wikipedia I laughed so hard that I snorted ice tea out of my nose all over my keyboard.

It was worth having to clean it up though.

Quote- Geirrodur is a fictional character, a supervillain appearing in the Marvel Comics universe. He is the King of the Trolls that live beneath Asgard. End Quote

Based upon my experiences with you and your little cohort (when youre in one of your nasty moods) it sure fits.

I might just start using it to. In fact I have a hunch a lot of your fellow posters will be using it.

As far as your continued use of your friend said so dodge, all I can say is to re-use what I said when you first pulled that out of your hat last night:

Quote- wow, this is really sad. What is next, space aliens cracked the JG-TC data base and told you so? End Quote "

Bps wrote on Jul 18, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Albus Dumbledore wrote on Jul 17, 2009 7:41 PM:
Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:11 PM:
Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2009 8:44 PM:
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I just had to read it again this morning to make sure I really got what was posted. After blowing tea out my nose from laughing so hard last night, I made sure not to be drinking anything as I read it again. Good thing, I laughed just as hard this morning.

Yep, it was just like I thought last night.

Mr. Dumnledore nailed your behavior dead on. Caught you dead to rights and exposed what you have been doing (and so forcefully denying) for so long.

Best of all he did it with your own posts and theres nothing but your own words and the truth exposed. The poster didnt use a single blast, slam, or mean spirited attack directed against you personally.

Bet that upset you, Hum HP?

It looks like your first post was like you normally do. You scan just enough of it to throw out a typical HP meaningless response on your common theme.

Bet you gulped hard on the second read.

Bet it was a hard read, seeing your little tricks, twist and turns exposed in your own words, realizing that your first response just showed your hypocrisy yet again.

You took all that time on your second answer and that was the best you could come up with?

I for one would really like you to meaningfully apologize for such blatant lies and behaviors to your fellow posters. "

The Question wrote on Jul 18, 2009 10:43 AM:

" Cracking like an egg. "

Bps wrote on Jul 19, 2009 6:41 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 18, 2009 10:43 AM:
" Cracking like an egg. "
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I must sadly somewhat agree with you TQ.

But I would say the HP, Dohbaugh, and other assorted caste of charters was already cracked to begin with for being so blatant about it, being mean with it and then lying about doing it.

Pretty childish behavior for someone of his supposed age.

I found out when I was a young sprout that once you get caught in a lie, there isnt much you can do but apologize.

Once you admit to your bad behavior, heck almost everybody forgives and forgets.

When you keep lying it just makes it worse.

Me, I could care less about how many names someone uses.

It actually makes it easier to counter their combined arguments (more chances to respond).

But as Larry the cable guy says: I dont care who you are (even you TQ) have to admit that there was funny. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Jul 20, 2009 9:56 AM:

" BPS I am quite sure tq is also another name used by a poster in here. LOL "

father bob wrote on Jul 20, 2009 5:15 PM:

Bps wrote on Jul 20, 2009 7:02 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Jul 20, 2009 9:56 AM:
" BPS I am quite sure tq is also another name used by a poster in here. LOL "
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Yep, most probably only one of many more, but sometimes it is fun to play the game with him.

Doesnt almost everybody figure our friend's little game out in the first week or so of reading and posting here?

Sadly it might be the root poster who is the only one who doesnt know everybody knows.

Here I suggested a reasonable and polite course of action, but just look at the lame post our friend made, sad isnt it.

Oh well, thanks for the additional heads up it confirms what I have thought for a long while. "

jmadis wrote on Jul 26, 2009 3:15 PM:

" All Americans should demand more of their elected officials, not just republicans, or democrats, or independents. Elected folks now tend to worry about their political future and what's best for them and not the people. I suppose that's why they mostly pass the bills that help them and not the people. I can't understand how increased government spending ( taxes on the people) in most all cases has ever helped the people? The constitution of this great nation specifically stated that the government will not tax the income of it's citizen's labor, only the profits of companys. A new breed of man running company's in the late 1800's influenced our elected officials to change our constitution and in the early 1900's bills were proposed to tax the people. To my knowledge these bills were never ratified, ( never became law!!!)though the people today are intimidated to pay more and more. Elected officials have a great obligation to the public, but few show it, even fewer live it. Most elected officials talk a good game, "BUT" when it's time for the patriots to stand they look to themselves and their own well being, what they can gain for themselves and not to the peoples needs. Where are the Mr. Smiths ( a good man named Stewart "1939") in my opinion that's our main problem today. Men are not elected to be proffessional politicians, they are elected to serve a short while, to better the public good and wellfare and advance this great nation set forth and defended to the death by our forefathers. I want to say this next....I'm am not against most foreign religions...and feel we are a people based on religious freedom! To worship as we choose, where we choose!! "BUT" this nation was founded with it's belief in "GOD", our wars have been fought supposedly against evil, on GODS behalf, the behalf of goodness and the right (righteousness)and rectitude of life, that all men are created equal!!! It is extremely sad...with great heartache, and remorse that I see our elected people becoming more and more distanced from the people that are voting them into office. The common man is hurting, his family is being slowly destroyed, his "GOD BLESSED " way of life is slipping away. Elected officials are becomming it's peoples god, ....and the people weep!!!! jmadis "