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Thursday, June 18, 2009 8:38 PM CDT
LETTER: Obama breaking the law 'in the public interest'

DON SEARLES, Mattoon

When you borrow money to purchase a house, there is a contract between you and the loan company. The contract states that if you do not pay the loan, the bank can take your house. This is called a security contract. Assume you now run up huge credit card debt and declare bankruptcy. Because they have a security contract, the bank takes the house and your other creditors split up any other assets you have.

The U.S. Constitution in, article 1 section 10, states. “No state shall pass laws impairing the obligation of contracts.” Article 1, Section 8, states. “The congress shall pass uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States.” Long standing bankruptcy laws clearly state that secured creditors get their money or the assets listed on the security contract and unsecured creditors divide up what is left.

Let’s examine the recent bankruptcy of Chrysler. By law, the secured creditors were to be paid in full or have title to the assets listed on the security contracts and unsecured creditors were to divide up what was left. However, the Obama administration decided “that it was in the public interest” to disregard the constitution and give the secured creditors 29 percent of what they legally had coming.

In New Chrysler, that is to be formed after the bankruptcy, the secured creditors get nothing. The unsecured United Auto Workers will own 68 percent; Fiat, a foreign company who had no claim on the assets and did not invest a dollar, will own 20 percent; and the US and Canadian governments will split the remainder.

What does this mean for you and me?

It means that Obama, who harps on, “Living by the rule of law,” speaks with forked tongue. It is not what he says, but what he does that matters.

It means that we must hold our government to “living by the rule of law,” and not let them break the law based on what they believe is “In the public interest.”

If we let the government continue to break laws based on what they think is, “In the public interest” we will be governed by the whims of those that control the government and become a Socialist nation with the government controlling our jobs, our money, our property, what we say, what we do, when we can see a doctor, and every aspect of our lives. We must take action against this tyranny.

DON SEARLES

Mattoon

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Tom Andres wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:39 PM:

" 2010 can't come soon enough! "

coonbug wrote on Jun 19, 2009 8:19 AM:

" "It means that we must hold our government to living by the rule of law, and not let them break the law based on what they believe is In the public interest."

Don,

it's too bad you ignore the laws that were either broken or CREATED by the previous administration in the past 8 years. Perhaps the world and economy would have been much better off today if you and others had. "

AnnaNiemaus wrote on Jun 19, 2009 8:49 AM:

" Bachman~Palin 2012! "

Tom Andres wrote on Jun 19, 2009 12:02 PM:

" Connie, Mr Searles letter made no attempt to ignore any administration's breaking of the law. He is simply addressing the abuses that are going on in our nation right now. Are you ignoring that? Or, worse, are you saying that if Bush did it,Obama is justified in doing it?

Try to stick to the point being made. You will not be successful in diverting anyone's attention away from your Oboy. He's already in this up to his eyeballs. Actually, it's fairly apparent to most thinking people that he's already in over his head. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 19, 2009 12:05 PM:

" 2010 can't come soon enough! "

Why? All indicators point to even further demise of the Republican party. Is that what you mean? Oh wait, the independents are going to take over, right? I'll bet your salivating at the idea of Sarah Palin in the White House in 2012 too. lol!

And for coonbug, shame on you for your comments about Bush. The Republicans who post on this site have amnesia when it comes to the Bush/Cheney regime's malfeasance and uncontrolled spending. It took a lot of hard work and diligence to turn Bill Clinton's surplus into a record setting deficit. Heck, they even had to manufacture phony evidence to justify spending some of the treasury on a war. Of course the biggest cheerleader in that war, Dick Cheney, managed to become super rich over it. Even the so called Liberal biased media gave him a pass on that one. It took the Republican party almost 6 years to wreck this country. Not since the good old days of Reagan have we seen such numbers.

coonbug, you need to start watching Fox news. Maybe then you'll understand that everything is the fault of Obama and the Democratic party. lol! "

Veritatis Splendor wrote on Jun 19, 2009 12:50 PM:

" Good letter Don. You speak for many business owners that live by that rule of law. "

father bob wrote on Jun 19, 2009 2:11 PM:

" what mr. searles seems to forget throughout his diatribe is the simple fact our president is a constitutional lawyer. it's highly unlikely he's going to do much that would be actually unconstitutional. i'll guarantee you he knows what he's doing.

if you wish to base your neoconservative rightwing republican rants using some other inept inane argument, you might actually look a bit more "reasonable"........LMAO!!! "

Bps wrote on Jun 19, 2009 2:36 PM:

" This kind-of-fits this discussion thread on this administration problems living within the rules:
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Apparently it is part of Barack Obamas vetting process to make sure his administration only finds folks who dont pay their taxes to work in government.

His latest appointment to fit this requirement is Capricia Marshall, who has been working for Hillary Clintons Senate and presidential campaigns until now and is President Obamas choice as chief of protocol for the State Department.

While tax evader Tim Geithners appointment to run Treasury/IRS still wins hands down as the most ironic choice (the Turbo tax did it excuse), Marshall comes a close second.

Marshall did not file tax returns for 2005 and 2006, errors she didnt correct until last November.

Ms. Marshall has placed the blame for the problem on the Postal Service and on miscommunication between her husband and their accountant.

No Please tell me she really didnt just blame the Post Office for losing her returns two years in a row.

Guess the next one of his nominees to get caught will say the dog ate their skipped returns.

Change you can count on. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 19, 2009 3:47 PM:

" Believe me if Obama were actually breaking any laws the Republicans, a whole host of right wing groups, such as the Heritage Foundation, would be running to the conservative leaning Supreme court in a New York minute.

Just more angry and bitter blather from another disgruntled loser along the lines of Jack Pierce and Gene Bauer. Oops, and Tom Andres, sorry Tom. "

Tom Andres wrote on Jun 19, 2009 4:53 PM:

" Get a clue, unfather. Someone can be a constitutional lawyer, but with no character, all that knowledge doesn't matter one iota.

I know enough about you, unfather, to know that the only qualifications that matter to you are that he's pro-abortion and that he calls himself black. I guess the good news is that you're not a single issue voter. LOL. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 19, 2009 4:57 PM:

" I swear I will flip if one more god d**m person calls this country socialist, I AM A SOCIALIST we aren't even close people. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 19, 2009 5:10 PM:

" if you wish to base your neoconservative rightwing republican rants using some other inept inane argument, you might actually look a bit more "reasonable"........LMAO!!! "

Since when did any of the right wing letter writers or posters actually look reasonable, fb? They've been in a state of perpetual meltdown since last November. Our friend Tom is starting to sound like a fan of the hapless Chicago Cubs with his wait till next election whines. lol! "

cedric66 wrote on Jun 19, 2009 5:15 PM:

" Mr. Andres
I have the site here that I think you should read. Maybe you already have. I found it to be well written and straight to the point
http://glennbeck.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/17/an-open-letter-to-our-nations-leadership/ "

sAdams wrote on Jun 19, 2009 7:15 PM:

" It is strange but I find myself agreeing with the leftist chorus on this site that are adamant that President Obama is doing a good job.

Match the current Presidents actions with the Cloward Piven Strategy that his mentors taught him (Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, etc.) and you clearly see that he is extremely successful in moving towards his ultimate goal.

His goal is the total destruction of the traditional American way of life.

It is bitter irony that the American taxpayer is actually funding the total destruction of their own ability to live according to the values of our Founding Documents and throwing away all that was won by those who dared so much, worked so hard, suffered and died to build.

At the rate he and his coconspirators in Congress have implemented their programs for the destruction of what was America it is not alarmist to believe this situation will be a coup d'etat before the 2010 elections.

More amazing is that his administration is stealing your God given rights and freedoms from you and very few of you in the masses are screaming out.

QUOTE- The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.

We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence.

It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.

Samual Adams "

Bps wrote on Jun 19, 2009 8:46 PM:

" Aught-Oh those cracks are getting a little deeper:

PERCEPTIONS OF OBAMA

Strongly Approve 34%
Strongly Disapprove 33%

Trust Obama on Economic Crisis 30%

CONGRESSIONAL FAVORABLES

Nancy Pelosi Fav 34% Unfav 56%
Harry Reid Fav 27% Unfav 45%

TRUST ON ISSUES

Health Care Dem 47% GOP 37%

Education Dem 44% GOP 37%

Social Security DEM 43% GOP 37%

Abortion DEM 41% GOP 41%

Taxes DEM 39% GOP 44%

Economy DEM 39% GOP 45%

War in Iraq DEM 37% GOP 45%

National Security DEM 36% GOP 51%

GOV'T ETHICS/CORRUPTION DEM 29% GOP 35%

Immigration DEM 29% GOP 43

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers "

dow249 wrote on Jun 19, 2009 9:47 PM:

" I read this letter because I know Don, and he has always seemed like a level headed person. Unfortunately I continued on down the page. I find that Father Bob and his guarantee make me feel so warm and satisfied all over. It also makes me think that we are going to have to change history. President Nixon was a lawyer and by all accounts a genius. So I can guarantee you that he would never be involved in anything illegal. If Father Bob had only spoken up back then. These kind of idiotic statements are why I usually dont read posted letters or comments. "

M wrote on Jun 19, 2009 10:45 PM:

" Mr. Searles, I agree with your letter. Don't pay any attention to those who can not seem to get over the past, can not seem to get over partisan issues and are basically muddying the water to avoid what is really happening TODAY (whether or not they realize it is ultimately irrelevant). Blame laying, name calling and bitter diatribes mean absolutely nothing if all they ever do is complain (which seems to be happening quite a bit). You are absolutely correct in that we need to put an end to this tyranny. I hope (a word I almost hate to use due to the big O's catch-phrases) ... I hope "We the People" can get organized and on the same page in time to oust the crap out of our new "leader" before he destroys our nation. Obama's agenda is obvious and those who fail to recognize it for what it is are just, quite simply, blind. And for those who have the inability to admit they made a mistake in voting this dictator in...get over yourselves ... we need to move on and get this liar out of office so we can ALL get back to being free. "

M wrote on Jun 19, 2009 11:02 PM:

" "i'll guarantee you he knows what he's doing."
Of course Obama knows EXACTLY what he is doing! That's the specific reason he should be impeached. He is KNOWINGLY committing acts of treason and tyranny against our nation...and very arrogantly, I might add. He is counting on our inability to overcome our politically correct and oh-so-proper manners and call him out. Just look how long it took before an actual member of his administration was actually asked by a reporter to produce the "long-form" copy of his birth certificate. Not that it made a dent...still Obama is shrouded in a cloud while he claims transparency. Something so simple to do and yet....no proof. Just complete and utter arrogance. Why is this being allowed? "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Jun 19, 2009 11:47 PM:

" * this country is socialist * "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 20, 2009 1:47 AM:

" "I swear I will flip if one more god d**m person calls this country socialist, I AM A SOCIALIST we aren't even close people."
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Apparently socialist are a tad high-strung, aren't they, Mr Working Class. "

Hound Dog wrote on Jun 20, 2009 5:14 AM:

" The new Pres is breaking all kinds of laws and getting away with it because nobody is calling him on it as they are afraid of him. Wake up America. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 20, 2009 12:30 PM:

" After Obama called Fox news out for their negative reporting on him they have gone two days without featuring a negative story on him. Coincidence? Maybe they're starting to get the point that a lot of folks are onto their game of creative news reporting.

And speaking of Fox, I watched Laura Ingraham filling in for the clown Billo.
It had to be the most frustrating interview she has ever done. She had a woman on to discuss Michelle Obama and no matter how she tried she couldn't get the woman to criticise Mrs Obama. It was absolutely hilarious to watch Ingraham try a new tact every time she asked a question. Poor Laura was probably trying to land a permanent gig on Fox and knows the best way to do that is beat up the Obamas. She failed miserably in her effort. I've seen the hapless Hannity get himself in the same position before. They book guests that they think will spit out the Fox line but sometimes it backfires, as it did with Ingraham. Not relevant to the point, but does anyone else think Ingraham is almost as homely as the horseface Ann Coulter? "

The Question wrote on Jun 20, 2009 1:59 PM:

" You Republican slime crack me up. Bush and Cheney were the biggest war criminals ever to run the U.S. government. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 20, 2009 5:04 PM:

" " The new Pres is breaking all kinds of laws and getting away..........

OK Hound Dog, specifically what laws has the new President broken. Please cite in detail any violation of any existing law he has broken.

If you can make that claim I'm sure you should be able to cite them.

If Obama had broken any laws the GOP would be up in arms and Fox news would be screaming to high heaven. Why isn't that happening? I think we know the answer to that one.

Please enlighten us. I'm sure you have vast knowledge of constitutional law.

Just more whining and sour grapes from the disgruntled losing side. "

kamfong wrote on Jun 21, 2009 5:58 AM:

" Lmao @ Horse-face. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:13 AM:

" I see where one sorehead loser is so desperate that he's even whining about Obama taking his kids out for ice cream. What a terrible father he must be. The next thing you know he'll be buying them birthday presents. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:34 AM:

" Unable to contain themselves, Fox news once again opts to headline a story critical of Obama. Playing nice lasted a whole 2 days. Ailes must have put a another "go after Obama" memo. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:03 AM:

" Lmao @ Horse-face. "

Hey kam, for some interesting reading Google: is Ann Coulter a man. Some pretty interesting observations as to her actual gender are made on several sites. "

Hound Dog wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:05 AM:

" Potter:
Very likely fake birth document, moving census from Commerce Dept to The White House, allowing ACORN to run freely and letting them multiply using taxpayer money, dropping charges on the New Black Panther" thugs, illegally firing IG Malpin, secret meetings, no transparency, no open visitor logbooks - - Dog could go on, I made my point. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:11 AM:

" By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post

Bill O'Reilly settled a sexual harassment lawsuit by his former producer last night, ending what he called a "brutal ordeal" without an apology.

The Fox News talk show host also agreed to drop his extortion suit against Andrea Mackris and her attorney, Benedict Morelli, according to a statement by O'Reilly's lawyer. The deal likely involves payment of millions of dollars to Mackris, since the two sides were discussing an offer of well over $2 million when negotiations broke down, say sources close to O'Reilly. Both parties agreed to keep the details confidential, according to the statement.

Ah yes, O'Reilly, Fox's most popular commentator, and the man obsessed with others sexual practices pays millions to cover his own tracks. Shades of Michael Jackson's payoffs? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:18 AM:

" A little bit on Sean Hannity:

Hannity pounds home one of his favorite lies, that Clinton was offered bin Laden by the Sudan. This story has been discredited over and over again. You see, what Clinton said, is that he urged the Saudis to take bin Laden from the Sudan, who had never offered him to the US. The 9-11 commission also found that such an offer never existed. However, that does not stop Sean from printing it in his book and repeating it every week to his viewers in the hope that the big lie sticks.

Aparantly Fox was successful in perpetuating this myth, because it's often repeated on this and other sites. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:50 AM:

" Here's some interesting little know historical facts:

Where was George Bush Sr on the day of 9/11? Having lunch with members of the Ben Laden family in NYC at the Ritz Carlton.

Bush Jr was a business partner of Osama Ben Laden's brother. "

jayce wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Congress apologized for enslaving the blacks. They should apologize for enslaving the coming generations, our grandchildred, grt.-grandchildren on adinfinidum for enslaving them in paying for the inability of letting wall street, the car manufactuers and on and on get themselves out of financial trouble or sink. Shame on those involved for making them (future generations) pay for their excesses and greed. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 12:25 PM:

" Rush Limbaugh, New Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Billo the clown O'Reilly and Sarah Palin and the like are a dream come true for the Democrats. As long as this bunch of misfits are the face of the rudderless Republican party the Dems have nothing to worry about. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 3:02 PM:

" "specifically what laws has the new President broken. Please cite in detail any violation of any existing law he has broken."
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Well Mr Potter, the first thing that comes to my mind is Obama's proposal of "prolonged detention". Not even Bush went that far.

I know, I know, you don't believe me, right Mr Potter? I'm shocked.

So I tell you what I'll do Mr Potter;

I'll let your girl, Rachel Maddow (I'm sure you're a huge lackey of all things MSNBC, so don't deny it sir) explain this little Constitutional discrepancy in her own terms as:

Obamas Unconstitutional Power Grab Is Similar to the Evils in the Movie Minority Report; More Extreme than Bush

Submitted for your continuing education Mr Potter:

http://tinyurl.com/m8233k

Enjoy Mr Potter. And no need to thank me, you're quite welcome, sir. I'm just here to help you recover from your sycophantic Obama disorder.

;-) "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 3:18 PM:

" Even Newsweek now laughing at Obamas claims of transparency

As a senator, Barack Obama denounced the Bush administration for holding "secret energy meetings" with oil executives at the White House. But last week public-interest groups were dismayed when his own administration rejected a Freedom of Information Act request for Secret Service logs showing the identities of coal executives who had visited the White House to discuss Obamas "clean coal" policies. One reason: the disclosure of such records might impinge on privileged "presidential communications." The refusal, approved by White House counsel Greg Craigs office, is the latest in a series of cases in which Obama officials have opted against public disclosure. Since Obama pledged on his first day in office to usher in a "new era" of openness, "nothing has changed," says David -Sobel, a lawyer who litigates FOIA cases. "For a president who said he was going to bring unprecedented transparency to government, you would certainly expect more than the recycling of old Bush secrecy policies."

- Michael Isikoff

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Exit question for Mr Potter: Is Mr Isikoff "Obama-Bashing"? Please explain, Mr Potter.

(And please Mr Potter, any answer that's not relevant to my questions can only be interpreted as evasive and probably immature. So please resist your natural tendencies, Mr Potter, and just answer my questions like a mature adult. Or ignore them all together as your admission to President Obama's growing similarity to President Bush) "

All The Way wrote on Jun 21, 2009 3:53 PM:

" It's not just the right claiming the President is acting unconstitutionally. Long time democratic Senator Robert Byrd has something to say about it. Check out this from the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/dem-senator-byrd-obama-in_n_169822.html "

The Question wrote on Jun 21, 2009 4:29 PM:

" Fascinating facts, Harry. Do you recall that Fox News star Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed that World War II U.S. troops had COMMITTED ATROCITIES at Malmedy as an attempt to JUSTIFY and EXCUSE contemporary atrocities by U.S. troops, then had the word "Malmedy" changed to "Normandy" in the transcript in a clumsy attempt to cover up his tracks? "

The Question wrote on Jun 21, 2009 4:32 PM:

" Say, Harry, did you hear Fox News own pundit, Bernard Goldberg, tell O'Reilly "...that there are a couple of people, very few, but a couple of people on this network who suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome. They won't give Obama a break under any circumstances..." "

The Question wrote on Jun 21, 2009 4:59 PM:

" Harry, do you recall that Fox News is the organization that aired a graphic showing that the Lincoln-Douglas Debates were between Abraham Lincoln and the black abolitionist Frederick Douglass? How incredibly stupid was that? "

Bps wrote on Jun 21, 2009 6:35 PM:

" The forums liberal group has totally given up on trying to refute Mr. Searles points and instead have jumped on total unrelated subjects, like their hate of the Fox News cable channel.

Funny that.

Mr. Searles presented a well thought out letter about how the current administration destroyed hundreds of years worth of contact law. What does Fox News have to do with the undeniable fact that President Obamas usurped the standard rule of law?

Lets check the handy Tactics for liberals chart to find out why- looks like they are using their old standby #13 tactic (CHANGE THE SUBJECT WHEN YOU ARE LOSING).

That is understandable because it is undeniable fact that in their dealings on Chrysler the current administration has usurped the basic underpinnings of the bond market of lenders being first in line for recovery in the case of a business failure.

Odds are his unilateral rewriting of this basic rule will start a process that greatly increases the risk of an even greater tightening of the credit markets.

A greater risk to loan money decreases the desire of lenders to lend and also forces much higher interest rates on those borrowers that can find a lender.

Kind of like you see with the Federal Reserve having to buy up our own treasury bond offerings with worthless printing press money because the lenders (rest of the world) has wised up to the scam we have been running and is not buying it anymore.

Just what we need in the midst of what appears could become the Greater Depression, even tighter credit markets.

We are far past being broke and running the printing presses 24/7 and Gooberments (local, state and federal) will have to raise taxes soon or go bankrupt- the perfect financial storm.

The last crew on duty was bad, but this crew is really a bunch of overachievers.

The down fall of America, accelerated by the change you can count on crew. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Sorry 7X, or whatever other names your currently posting under, I have no desire to engage in conversation with you. As you know this is the position I have always taken with you, no matter what name you were posting under.

After watching you harass and attempt to browbeat others on this site, I will ignore all your questions. You simply lack the ability to engage in civil discourse. Sorry, but I think you have some sort of personality disorder. Every time you come back on here with another of your new names, others figure you out in a few short days. You always start off nice, but within a few days you're back to your old harassing style. I don't need that. You just can't help yourself, and your anti social personality always shines through. The fact that you always get busted within a few days of changing names should tell you something. You just can't hide your true nature.

So feel free to crow, pat yourself on the back, post kudos to yourself under one of your many aliases or even jump up and down over this response, I could care less. "

Bps wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:12 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 12:25 PM:
" Rush Limbaugh, New Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Billo the clown O'Reilly and Sarah Palin and the like are a dream come true for the Democrats. As long as this bunch of misfits are the face of the rudderless Republican party the Dems have nothing to worry about. "
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Funny, there is only one person in this tirade that could even remotely be considered a potential candidate.

Did an executive order get passed making it now legal for a news channel to run for public office? Is that why you are so intent on trying to make Fox the focus of all debates in all threads?

Sure, it probably concerns you that Fox beats its extreme liberal opposition MSNBC with 3 times the viewers, but it seems that you liberal Dems ought to be more concerned that it finally appears the American public is starting to see through the smoke and mirrors of change for changes sake and I reiterate:

PERCEPTIONS OF OBAMA

Strongly Approve 34%
STRONGLY DISAPPROVE 33%

TRUST OBAMA ON ECONOMIC CRISIS 30% (ought-oh)

CONGRESSIONAL FAVORABLES

Nancy Pelosi Fav 34% UNFAV 56%
Harry Reid Fav 27% UNFAV 45%

TRUST ON ISSUES

Health Care Dem 47% GOP 37%

Education Dem 44% GOP 37%

Social Security DEM 43% GOP 37%

Abortion DEM 41% GOP 41%

Taxes DEM 39% GOP 44%

Economy DEM 39% GOP 45%
(Double ought-oh)

War in Iraq DEM 37% GOP 45%

National Security DEM 36% GOP 51%

GOV'T ETHICS/CORRUPTION DEM 29% GOP 35%

Immigration DEM 29% GOP 43

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers

Maybe someone is trying to whistle through the grave yard, hum? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:15 PM:

" Still waiting for someone to tell me specifically what laws Obama has broke. So far all I see are vague references to the constitution. I would really like to see the actual laws that some claim he is breaking. The fact that no one has done that seems pretty evident that he hasn't broken any laws. I still say that if he had the GOP and Fox news would be jumping up and down over it. Why haven't they? The answer is quite obvious. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:32 PM:

" Number of ethics violations filed against the governor of Alaska: 18 (and counting)

That woman has more ethics problems than Oliver North. She makes him look like a boy scout. lol!

It makes you wonder what the heck John McCain was thinking. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:37 PM:

" "I have no desire to engage in conversation with you."
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And with that, Mr Potter runs away from my difficult questions. I have treated him fairly, like an adult, but alas, the soundness of my arguments, and the solidity of my facts, have apparently intimidated Mr Potter to a paralyzing muteness.

This is quite uncharacteristic for a poster such as Mr Potter, who seems to have made it his life's mission in here to truly harass other posters with childish antics of name-calling and taunting. Apparently adult tactics are simply too much for his grasp of reality and skill level.

I'm sorry I scared you off, Mr Potter. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:50 PM:

" I wonder what laws Bush supposedly broke?

And please, as Mr Potter says, no vague references to the constitution. Oh and, no references to any Bush policies that President Obama has continued, like the use of torture in the extraordinary rendition program that Mr Obama is expanding.

Oh and Mr Potter, since you are too afraid to respond to my questions, you'll have to use an alias to respond to this tantalizing proposition. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:01 PM:

" For those who say Sarah wasn't ready:

Sarah was overheard to say, I can't comment on the Kyoto Accord as I've only ever seen the Honda. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:10 PM:

" Why Obama hasnt spoken out on Iran

"Its a personal thing that interferes with Obamas ego, and messianic personal diplomacy. Obama himself is not comfortable with those abroad who emulate American values and seek to have the freedoms and rights we take for granted. The post-colonial industry mandates that the Other is a perpetual victim of colonialism, imperialism, capitalism, and racism with justified grievances. Only elite American intellectuals of singular insight and empathy understand the calculus of the oppressed, and so, through apologies, accommodations, and concessions, they alone on our behalf can deal with an Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Ortega, Castro, Morales, Nasrallah, etc. But when we see a purple-finger election, a statue of liberty at Tiananmen, or the current Levi-clad, cell-phoning, English-placard-carrying Iranian grassroots resistance, all the above is rendered null and void. Obama wants to rise above his country; but when his country is not held in disrepute (as is true among the Iranian people), he is an actor without a role."

- Victor Davis Hanson "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:17 PM:

" A delightful comment from Sarah:

I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't. Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:17 PM:

" Obamulism - Having or posessing "no desire to engage in conversation" contrary in opinion to GROUPTHINK dogma "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:43 PM:

" In other news, while Iran burned, it took President Obama 10 full minutes to decide if he wanted nuts on his frozen custard.

After consulting the latest polling data and the consensus of his cabinet, Mr Obama received his "opinion" on his portable hand-held teleprompter.

The answer was a probable "uhm..Yes". Yes...uhm, he did want uhh... nuts on his frozen custard. And uuh.... make it acorns, please. "

The Question wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:59 PM:

" Hey, Harry, do you recall that Fox News is the organization that changed Congressman Mark Foley's party affiliation from Republican to Democratic after it was inescapably confirmed that Foley was sexually soliciting teenage male pages in Congress? Fox News has made several such "mistakes" -- coincidentally, all of the "mistakes" having the effect of shielding Republicans while lying about Democrats. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:15 PM:

" OBAMULISM - When GROUPTHINK members attach ALL of a sovereign countries current maladies onto past presidential administrations.

OBAMULISM - Attempts at discreditation of current opposition/dissenting voices/opinions.

It is exemplified by use of retorts like "do you recall that Fox News is the organization that....". "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:28 PM:

" "Obamulism - Having or posessing "no desire to engage in conversation" contrary in opinion to GROUPTHINK dogma"
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Ah yes NeoCon Academician, that would explain this:

"I have no desire to engage in conversation with you."
- Harry Potter

That plus, Mr Potter is terribly intimidated by my arguments, it would seem. "

cedric66 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:33 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:32 PM:

" Number of ethics violations filed against the governor of Alaska: 18 (and counting)

That woman has more ethics problems than Oliver North. She makes him look like a boy scout. lol!

It makes you wonder what the heck John McCain was thinking. "

But you failed to leave out that the Govenor was cleared of all charges that she was supposed to have commited!! BASELESS ACCUSATIONS!!!!!! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:43 PM:

" I've noticed at least three major tactical categories of blame-deflection from the Obama sycophants in here:

1) It's all Bush's fault

2) It's all FoxNews lies

3) The Republicans did it too

But I have never seen them admit that Obama actually lied or broke his promises. They are simply incapable of such honesty in their reality disconnect. "

The Question wrote on Jun 21, 2009 9:49 PM:

" Say, Harry, do you recall that Fox News pundit Liz Trotta, while discussing the idea of assassinating Osama Bin Laden and Barack Obama, said, "Well ... both, if we could!, " then laughed happily.
After all, on Fox News, what could be more delightful than the idea of Obama's assassination? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 21, 2009 10:02 PM:

" OBAMULISM - When a GROUPTHINK member attempts to discredit a single dissenting opinion contrary to OBAMULISM by claiming that ALL dissenting opinions contrary to OBAMULISM come from just one single source. This facet of OBAMULISM stems from GROUPTHINK members being unable to fathom that some INDIVIDUALS do not want to join and espouse OBAMULIST GROUPTHINK.

For example, single dissenting opionions from 7X6Z9, Stanley Stetson, Tom Andres, Bps, Blue Dog Democrat, Cedric66, NeoCon Academician, et al all originate from a single dissenting person who varies the use of these multiple pseudonyms.
Thoughts posted under these pseudonyms MUST BE attacked by OBAMULIST GROUPTHINK members as being from just a single source. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:05 PM:

" I messed up by hitting post comment to early here is the full version.

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 20, 2009 1:47 AM:

" "I swear I will flip if one more god d**m person calls this country socialist, I AM A SOCIALIST we aren't even close people."
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Apparently socialist are a tad high-strung, aren't they, Mr Working Class. "

Well, generally I'm high strung yes. Why wouldn't I be. My fear of the government and being exploited might add to that. Plus might be that I'm naturally hyper person. Yet you've read my posts before I'm more eloquent than that. My annoyance with the word being thrown around was at a point.

Now lets see how many times a government official and or politician has broken the constitution.

Bush: Patriot Act (Amendment I), Keeping public documents hidden. Treason for the inflaming of our enemies through threats and antagonism(Article III section 3). Allowing 9/11 to happen to create fear amongst the populace. Imprisoning citizens for being suspect terrorist(article III section 2).

Lyndon Johnson: Allowing National Guard troops to fire upon students protesting the Vietnam war (amendment 1).

Eisenhower: Allowance of the prohibiting the right to vote by those causing intimidation towards the African american community. (article XV section 1) The imprisonment and forced silence of those suspect as "communist" (amendment XIV section 1)

Andrew Johnson: War and removal of Native Americans without congressional approval and against the supreme courts decision supporting the Natives law suit for right to the land they occupied. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:07 PM:

" NeoCon, how can you say that I'm part of the so called references to 1984 "group think"? When I even call Obama my enemy so would of McCain if he won. "

Locke wrote on Jun 22, 2009 1:00 AM:

" You know... nobody cares what any of you people think. "

kamfong wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:12 AM:

" Ann does have a strong resemblance to that bruno character.And obviously not a fan of Larry Flynt's. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 6:44 AM:

" After all, on Fox News, what could be more delightful than the idea of Obama's assassination? "

Good question, TQ.

The answer is: The slightly unbalanced and obviously insecure Sybil, with all his "personalities". As I predicted, he's pulling all of them out with his latest meltdown over my comments yesterday. This is getting better by the day. The more desperate he gets, the more personalities show up. I'll bet he even adds some new ones this go around. But it's kind of hard to call it group-think when it's obviously the same person. As in the past, he will continue to cry about it. The old shrill Sybil is back. Inferring his brilliance is sort of SOP for him. Cowardly bullying is his another of his trademarks.

Actually group-think would apply to the party of no, especially when you consider their latest technique, block voting on practically every issue. Wow, talk about group-think. lol!

Just like they used group-think in supporting everything Bush wanted, they're applying the technique to oppose everything Obama does. And laughingly their fans on here don't see it.

And I see my Palin comments got at least one fan of the queen of sleaze out of the woodwork. "

The Question wrote on Jun 22, 2009 6:50 AM:

" Hey, Harry, did you hear that the hard-hitting Fox News "journalist" Sean Hannity has been busy interviewing the medium John Edward? Now there's real news. I guess he wants to know if the ghosts hate Obama as much as he does. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 AM:

" I don't think anyone ever put our friend Tom Andres in with that bunch of soreheads. Unlike them, he actually makes sense once in a while. (Even though he tells lousy jokes). lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 8:30 AM:

" " Hey, Harry, did you hear that the hard-hitting Fox News "journalist" Sean Hannity has been busy interviewing the medium John Edward? Now there's real news. I guess he wants to know if the ghosts hate Obama as much as he does.

I'll guarantee you that he will do his best to turn that interview into a Obama bashing session, TQ. Like the sorehead losers on this site, Hannity always manages to turn any topic into that. Just a few weeks ago he had a preacher on talking about the sanctity of marriage, and he claimed marriage was a conservative institution and that liberals had no respect for it. Funny he didn't mention any of those Republicans that practice serial marriage like leading conservatives Gingrich and Limbaugh to name just a few. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 8:46 AM:

" One of the results of the ongoing investigations for the ethically challenged Palin is that she was forced to repay the state for having unethically billed the state for hauling her brood around. In her defense, I'm sure it was done out of ignorance. She probably thought that if she could get away with charging the tax payers per diem while living and eating at home, why not charge them for her kids travel too. Overheard at the Palin place: "Hey Todd honey, need a new snowmobile, I'll just fill out another voucher?" lol! "

Bps wrote on Jun 22, 2009 10:48 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 7:04 AM:
" I don't think anyone ever put our friend Tom Andres in with that bunch of soreheads. Unlike them, he actually makes sense once in a while. (Even though he tells lousy jokes). lol!

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Ah come on HP- old Bps a sorehead????

You wound me sir. You and I have had some very enjoyable and meaningful discussions on topics all the way from the second amendment, to what NASCAR hat we both favor, up unto this current thread. Why we have even had fun playing flame wars.

Although, as you so often point out, my posts do tend to ramble on, at the least they present facts and links that you can check and counter with your sterling logic, contradicting facts and supporting links.

It is not like I make my stuff up like some have done from time to time on this site.

When ever you have poked the bear, I have always promptly replied to you and supplied the appropriate information with sources and links.

Why you even have all your friends in your own personal support group here to pat you on the back and to support you so strongly.

Why it seems like old Father Bob and you think with one mind. You guys all so in sync you finish each others sentences. Great to have friends isnt it HP.

Besides as you so often say, your side won the last election.

You have the presidency, complete control of the house and an almost filibuster proof senate.

My goodness, your side should be able to do almost anything it wants.

Oh, that is right, it is doing what ever it wants with no interference from anybody including the voters, the media or the repub-a-clowns.

You should be regaling us all with the utopian society that has been created in America.

I would think you would be worn out from just posting all the success stories from your guys now in power.

Oh, so much to tell. All the campaign promises fulfilled, all the wrongs righted, the restoration of the good old USA to its socialist and humanists roots.

Guess you, FB, and TQ are taking it easy on us old grumpy conservatives and focusing all your efforts on the only conservative major media outlet Fox news and the abject failures of the last bunch of bozos that were in power?

Dont want to rub it in how well your guys are doing, right HP?

Uh- surly there are some success stories arent there HP? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 22, 2009 12:30 PM:

" OBAMULISM - BEING ABLE TO BREAK THE PUBLIC'S TRUST WITH NO RAMIFICATIONS FOR YOUR ACTIONS getting insider information to dump thousands of dollars in investments before the market crashes.

It turns out that on Sept. 18, Senator and Majority Whip Dick Durbin (IL) participated in a closed-door meeting with then-Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke. The Fed chairman and Treasury secretary briefed Mr. Durbin and other congressional leaders on the financial crisis and efforts to help financially troubled banks. On Sept. 19, Senator Dick Durbin (IL) sold off $42,696 in mutual-fund shares, and quickly sold off another $73,000 during the rest of September.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/18/durbins-insider-trading/ "

father bob wrote on Jun 22, 2009 12:42 PM:

" HOLY COW!!....

i leave town for a few days and ALL the loonies slither out from under their rocks!

HP, TQ....what did you two do?...insult Palin's daughter Moonbeam? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 12:47 PM:

" Let it be known that Bps is not a sorehead. How's that? Feel better?

OK, now to your question. I think you're well aware the things move slow in Washington. How long has Obama been in office? Good grief, it took Bush 8 years to get us into the mess we're in, do you think Obama should could possibly turn it around in less that 6 months. He's barely got his staff together. Let's be reasonable here.

Although I did read this morning that he has the votes to get the first Hispanic on the high court. As I said so many times before all that whining from the right side was merely posturing. Obama will get all the Dems votes and probably most of the Republicans vote on her nomination. Heck, I'll bet even Lindsay Graham votes for her confirmation. I read today that he's trying to back track on his former position.

Now to a more important matter, what's this NASCAR hat bit? I think you're confusing me with one of the other smart a$$'s on here. I have never been a NASCAR fan let alone wear one of their hats. I would never do anything to mess up my Blago type hair style. lol!

I don't recall mentioning your lack of brevity either, although I could be wrong about that one, but considering my tendency to ramble on at times, I can't imagine having said that either.

Seriously, I would think we ought to wait awhile before we write Obama's political obituary. "

father bob wrote on Jun 22, 2009 12:51 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Jun 19, 2009 4:53 PM:
" I know enough about you, unfather, to know that the only qualifications that matter to you are that he's pro-abortion and that he calls himself black. I guess the good news is that you're not a single issue voter. LOL. """""

hehehe.....and i know enough about you tommie to know how you REALLY feel about minorities and women. "

father bob wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:45 PM:

" in the name of anti-socialism, i hereby start a movement to cleanse america of it's greatest socialist program. the public school system.

our children need not be exposed to the threat of socialist education.... "

father bob wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:58 PM:

" parents of school age children should foot 100% of any educational expenses. no need in making young people go to school via foolish socialist state law. and just think, the parent would have to take ownership and responsibility of their child's success or failure in life....a novel idea.

it's the "american" thing to do... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 6:16 PM:

" Where is South Carolina's governor?

The lieutenant governor doesn't know, and neither does a state senator who's a close confidante. Even Gov. Mark Sanford's wife is in the dark.

Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer said he's been told the governor's staff is in contact with the second-term Republican, but Sanford's wife said she hasn't heard from him in several days, including Father's Day.
Huffington Post-

He's a Republican, so maybe he needed a little quality time with his girlfriend. Stay tuned for another tearful public apology. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 6:25 PM:

" In a move hailed by anti-smoking advocates as a major victory in the fight to reduce tobacco-related fatalities, President Obama on Monday signed into law legislation giving the U.S. government broad powers to regulate tobacco products.
CBS news-

Good move, Mr President.... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 6:29 PM:

" WASHINGTON (AP) Hailed by President Barack Obama, a multi-billion-dollar promise by drug companies to narrow a Medicare drug coverage gap for seniors is valid only if Congress succeeds in passing a comprehensive health care bill encountering strong opposition from Republicans, an industry spokesman said Monday.

Don't worry, it will pass, those Republicans coming up for re election won't want to face the wrath of the old folks over this. Despite all their posturing, they will cave.

Another good move, Mr President... "

Bps wrote on Jun 22, 2009 8:00 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 22, 2009 12:47 PM:
" Let it be known that Bps is not a sorehead. How's that? Feel better?

OK, now to your question. I think you're well aware the things move slow in Washington. How long has Obama been in office? Good grief, it took Bush 8 years to get us into the mess we're in, do you think Obama should could possibly turn it around in less that 6 months. He's barely got his staff together. Let's be reasonable here.

Although I did read this morning that he has the votes to get the first Hispanic on the high court. As I said so many times before all that whining from the right side was merely posturing. Obama will get all the Dems votes and probably most of the Republicans vote on her nomination. Heck, I'll bet even Lindsay Graham votes for her confirmation. I read today that he's trying to back track on his former position.

Now to a more important matter, what's this NASCAR hat bit? I think you're confusing me with one of the other smart a$$'s on here. I have never been a NASCAR fan let alone wear one of their hats. I would never do anything to mess up my Blago type hair style. lol!

I don't recall mentioning your lack of brevity either, although I could be wrong about that one, but considering my tendency to ramble on at times, I can't imagine having said that either.

Seriously, I would think we ought to wait awhile before we write Obama's political obituary. "
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Thank you, I may be an old curmudgeon but definitely not a sorehead.

Normally I would agree with you that things move slowly in Washington, but because of the urgency, super-hype and speed that the Democrats passed the $787 Billion stimulus bill (25 days after the inauguration) and the Presidents own statements of why the bill had to be pushed through so quickly that no one even read it:

Quote from President Obama-
"I believe that legislation of this enormous magnitude, that by necessity we are moving quickly -- we're not moving quickly because we're trying to jamb something down people's throats. We're moving quickly because we're told that if we don't move quickly, that the economy is going keep on getting worse, and we'll have another 2 or 3 or 4 million jobs loss this year."

"This plan will save or create over three million jobs -- almost all of them in the private sector."

Add to that the omnibus spending bill of $410 billion that was passed by the House shortly after with 9000 pet projects.

Obama Quadrupled the deficit in 100 Days ($1.8 trillion+, 4 times 2008s record). So yes I think the President, the Democrats and Republicans that voted and signed these should be held to a very high standard of expectations.

I dont expect a complete turnaround in only 6 months but is it really so much to ask that something positive and provable at least start happening after six months?

So far all the green shoots that they have talked about have turned out to be at best withered weeds.

The polls are showing that on the economy the Dems and Obama are no longer perceived positively.

Bush II was an idiot, but the mess we are in took both sides and several presidents to create.

SCOTUS-: The Repub-a-clowns have always talked tuff and rolled over in the end. It is swapping a liberal for a liberal so it seems like it is a push.

By golly you are right. It wasnt you that made the NASCAR reference it was

" father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:28 AM:
just one real serious question for you Bps.......who's NASCAR cap you wearin'? "

Sorry I made the mistake, you gentlemens posts are so similar my poor old addled mind just got your handles mixed up.

As far as your reference to the length of my posts that was my poor attempt at humor but:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 5:49 PM:

I wasn't meaning to ignore your questions. It's just that after reading your first few posts I've been skipping over the rest of them. Most of your posts seem to consist of nothing but the rambling nonsense
of someone not quite sure of what he really thinks or stands for.
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Your right there is very little chance that the President will be beaten in the 2012 by a Repub-a-clown.

The MSM is totally in the tank for him so nothing short of a complete economic failure or not responding to an attack on the country would make that a realistic possibility.

The House or Senate in 2010 is different. Neither party has proven itself adept at not shooting themselves in the foot when in control of congress and the Presidency.

This group of dumb-dumb dems in congress is looking like they might be in trouble. Without Obamas coattails they will have to run on their own. By 2012 blaming Bush will no longer work and they will be stuck with their own records.

At the rate they have been going I dont put any act of stupidity past them. "

julio wrote on Jun 22, 2009 8:44 PM:

" George Bush lied in order to start a war. Remember the "wepons of mass distruction" theroy or is you memory clouded? "

what? wrote on Jun 22, 2009 11:44 PM:

" Bush set the example, lie, rob, cheat, steal, murder, it's in our own interest, downright prudent. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 6:33 AM:

" Bush II was an idiot, but the mess we are in took both sides and several presidents to create.

I have to agree with the first part of that sentence.

Actually, Clinton left office with the country in pretty good shape. Bush made a mess of things in short order. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:54 AM:

" Joe Klien on John McCain's constant criticism on Obama and Iran:

Be quiet," said Klein. "You don't need to do this. You know? You know what you're doing is a self-indulgent at this point. Sen. McCain, if he's going to talk about this, should also talk about the fact that the United States supported Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war for eight years. Every one of those protesters out in the streets, every last one of them believes the United States supplied Saddam Hussein with the poison gas that has debilitated tens of thousands of Iranian men."

Both McCain and his ignorant running mate can't seem to give up the limelight. McCain thinks hes an expert of foreign policy and Palin's expertise seems to be on teen morality. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:13 AM:

" Sarah Palin was asked a question by a third grader and she got it wrong. She apparently still does not know what the vice president does ... She says he or she runs the Senate. No, not in this country. You know I would never accuse George Bush of being a bright man, but when he was elected, at least he knew which building to show up to." --Bill Maher "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 AM:

" "Now lets see how many times a government official and or politician has broken the constitution."
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But Proletariat87, no mention of Obama?

No mention of his support for warrantless wiretapping? Or his expansion of it's use? Or his move to legalize it?

No mention of Obama's continuation of Extraordinary Rendition? Or his expansion of it's use? Or his move to use foreign agents (instead of CIA personnel) to kidnap suspects, in the ultimate effort to keep the entire process away from U.S. legal restrictions?

I think the New York Times summed it up nicely, don't you?

NYT (May 15 2009) - President Obamas decisions this week to retain important elements of the Bush-era system for trying terrorism suspects and to block the release of pictures showing abuse of American-held prisoners abroad are the most graphic examples yet of how he has backtracked, in substantial if often nuanced ways, from the approach to national security that he preached as a candidate, and even from his first days in the Oval Office.
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When can we expect your criticisms of King Obama, Proletariat? "

cd wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:52 AM:

" The Question wrote on Jun 21, 2009 4:32 PM:

" Say, Harry, did you hear Fox News own pundit, Bernard Goldberg, tell O'Reilly "...that there are a couple of people, very few, but a couple of people on this network who suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome. They won't give Obama a break under any circumstances..." "
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Why should anyone give Obama a break under any circumstances... ?
You liberals didn't do that for Bush or the Conservatives.

Ah, excuse me, I momentarily forgot that their are two sets of rules, one for the Democrats/Liberals, and one for the Republicans/Conservatives. "

cd wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:59 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Sorry 7X, or whatever other names your currently posting under, I have no desire to engage in conversation with you. As you know this is the position I have always taken with you, no matter what name you were posting under.

After watching you harass and attempt to browbeat others on this site, I will ignore all your questions. You simply lack the ability to engage in civil discourse. Sorry, but I think you have some sort of personality disorder. Every time you come back on here with another of your new names, others figure you out in a few short days. You always start off nice, but within a few days you're back to your old harassing style. I don't need that. You just can't help yourself, and your anti social personality always shines through. The fact that you always get busted within a few days of changing names should tell you something. You just can't hide your true nature.

So feel free to crow, pat yourself on the back, post kudos to yourself under one of your many aliases or even jump up and down over this response, I could care less. "
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Now the above is a prime example of the pot calling kettle black.

Sure looks like Harry Pee describing himself! "

The Question wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:07 AM:

" I just love right wingers who cheered the use of torture as official policy getting their knickers in a twist over presidential actions they now deem "illegal."
You threw out the red carpet for the ruthless and secret use of unfettered "unitary executive" power and applauded it, remember? It's what you asked for. Why get an attack of the vapors now?
If torture is legal, boys, then nothing is illegal. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:35 AM:

" No candidate, including Palin, has yet filed papers with the Alaska Public Offices Commission. Palins office declined an opportunity to explain her thinking on the 2010 race, and the Republican Governors Association said it would not comment on discussions it has had with the politico.com/news/stories

Sarah's silence on her future plans could be just a coincidence, but Jerry Springer just announced he's looking for a co host, and Sarah seems to have a lot of Springer-type fan appeal. Her dysfunctional family would make great last minute fill ins for guest cancellations etc. I can just see it now, Bristol and Levi coming to blows on national TV, with Sarah, Todd and the rest of her brood handing out the beads. Fox news would no doubt outbid every other network for airing rights.

The Jerry and Sarah show would fit right in on Fox news along with the rest of their lame comedy acts like Hannity, Beck and Billo the clown shows.

Of course Sarah would rather be president, but I suspect raising enough money would be a problem. There aren't enough trailer parks in the country for her to raise any serious money. The co hosting gig with Springer seems more realistic. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:52 AM:

" You liberals didn't do that for Bush or the Conservatives.

After getting thousands of young Americans needlessly killed, he didn't deserve a break. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 12:01 PM:

" 7x6z9 read the letter, why should I pointed out the illegal act of Obama, when it was mentioned in the letter?? I was including other presidents who have done things unconstitutionally. Pointing out that of course Obama did because as history shows those in power will always abuse it. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 12:13 PM:

" CD agreed, they and I didn't for Bush, I would hope that they would critize Obama as well. Critism of leaders is essientail for keeping what little freedom we had. Yet, make it intelligent. I enjoy these blogs because of the interaction and difference of opinion. So even though I voted for him, I won't give him a break just like I didn't for our good friend Fascist Bush.

Oh yeah Don, hate to break it too you, Socialism is an economic aspect of government, you can have a Socialist Democratic-Republic. Soviet-China style Communism and Fascism is what you are looking for here.

Nothings black and white. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:30 PM:

" Now the above is a prime example of the pot calling kettle black.

Sure looks like Harry Pee describing himself! "

Oh really, just who did I browbeat or harass. cd? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:40 PM:

" From Fox news:

An editor for a Web site that strongly supports President Obama said Tuesday the White House "reached out" to him to ask a question at the president's press conference after reading that Iranians had been asked by the site to submit questions to the president.

Those poor folks at Fox don't like it that they don't get preferential treatment from the White house. After 8 years of getting to throw softballs at the administration, it looks like they're not taken the transformation of other getting to ask questions very well.

Perhaps Billo the clown needs to send his staff to the door of the White House to harass the staff there like he does so often to his target of the day. "

The Question wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:42 PM:

" You Republicans applauded the use of torture as official policy, permanent secret imprisonment without trial, invasion and occupation of a nation in an unprovoked war based on lies, unlimited police state spying on Americans, totalitarian "unitary executive" powers for the president and corporate-worshipping "free market deregulation," which green-lighted the biggest financial crisis in at least 80 years.
Now you are worried that contracts might be abrogated. Oh, heaven forfend. I'll be sure to grieve over that possibility on long winter evenings. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:56 PM:

" "7x6z9 read the letter, why should I pointed out the illegal act of Obama, when it was mentioned in the letter??"
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Because Proletariat, the items I cited were never mentioned in Mr Searles letter. And they were hypocritical reversals on key items that candidate Obama relentlessly criticized Bush on.
Isn't it fascist-government-jackbooted issues exactly like these that anarchists such as yourself usually rally against.

Your lack of outrage on this smells a tab like a double standard, Proletariat.

When can we expect any criticism of King Obama, on your behalf, sir? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 3:13 PM:

" President Obama has hypocritically expanded the use of torture as an official policy with the expansion of extraordinary rendition. Not to mention that the Obama Department of Justice defended the secrecy of Bush-era interrogations, earlier this month.
Clear thinking Americans can easily recognize Mr Obama as a cynical politician who hypocritically backtracks on his empty campaign rhetoric. The problem is, Mr Obama's sycophantic followers have deluded themselves to the point of no return. They are simply unwilling (and quite possibly unable) to embrace the reality that their almost divine leader is in fact, resembling George W Bush more and more with each passing day. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 3:42 PM:

" Its come to this: Obama and HuffingtonPost rig a question at WhiteHouse presser

Politico- "Nico, I know you and all across the Internet, weve been seeing a lot of reports coming out of Iran," Obama said, addressing Pitney. "I know there may actually be questions from people in Iran who are communicating through the Internet. Do you have a question?"

Pitney, as if ignoring what Obama had just said, said:

"I wanted to use this opportunity to ask you a question directly from an Iranian."...

CBS Radios Mark Knoller, a veteran White House correspondent, said over Twitter it was "very unusual that Obama called on Huffington Post second, appearing to know the issue the reporter would ask about."

According to POLITICOs Carol Lee, The Huffington Post reporter was brought out of lower press by deputy press secretary Josh Earnest and placed just inside the barricade for reporters a few minutes before the start of the press conference.
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Nothing to see here folks.

No no, no need to look behind the curtain. Just listen to the teleprompter. You're getting sleepy, very sleepy........ "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 3:59 PM:

" All across Charleston Illinois, Obama supports are driving their PC's into overdrive as they search the archives of The Huffington Post, TalkingPointsMemo, The Daily Kos, The Democrat Underground, MSNBC, and any and all Google searches in a fanatic panic to find an incident of the Bush White House rigging a press conference.

Who will be the first with the "Bush did it too!" response?

The Question?

Father Bob?

Or (my money favorite) Harry Potter?

Let's see, shall we? "

BW wrote on Jun 23, 2009 5:17 PM:

" 7X, Potter may be first but I bet TQ will be the nastiest, overkilling his point as usual. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:52 PM:

" I have in other posts not this particular one. But here we go for criticism of Obama.

1. His allowance of another military budget increase. (most of them going towards technological advancement even though we are already ahead of the world by at least 20 years. It should of gone to arming the troops with armor, better pay, college funding.

2. He isn't taxing the top income class enough, since most of these wall street crooks are the blame for the majority of the economic crisis.

3. Giving billions away to companies that should of failed. Could of be given away in a 2 year stipend program to the people in the middle and working classes.

4. He refusal to get rid of Bush era policies such as; the patriot act and a policy of military supremacy.

5. Plus, he just too capitalistic.

6. He's the government.

7. The special cigarette ban, and support of increase on cigarettes. Yet, fast food is just as unhealthy. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:55 PM:

" * obamulism: according to groupthink, when it comes to rehashing and continuing on with w's supposed failed policies: if you can't beat them, join them * icecream anyone * "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:25 PM:

" It looks like Doh is giving Neo and little rest tonight and is letting a couple of the others carry the load. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:47 PM:

" "I have in other posts not this particular one. But here we go for criticism of Obama."
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Fair enough, Proletariat.

Even though we are ideological opposites I commend your willingness to criticize both parties.

Thank you, sir. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 PM:

" julio wrote on Jun 22, 2009 8:44 PM:
" George Bush lied in order to start a war. Remember the "wepons of mass distruction" theroy or is you memory clouded? "

Except that there were WMD's that were found, and that it was Congress who looked at the same information as Bush, and declared war, oh and funded the war. Maybe, your memory is clouded? "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:59 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:52 AM:
" You liberals didn't do that for Bush or the Conservatives.

After getting thousands of young Americans needlessly killed, he didn't deserve a break. "

You left out the Democratically held Congress in your statement. They had to allow Bush to go. "

julio wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:38 AM:

" The "truth" is that NO WMD's were found, unless you're getting your information from Bill O'Reily or Rush.

How honest were the "no bid" contracts? The ones were a few Texas companys (one with close ties to Dick Cheany) made millions? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:31 AM:

" You left out the Democratically held Congress in your statement. They had to allow Bush to go. "

Uh..I hate to rain on your parade jr, but are you aware that the Republicans controlled congress for the first 6 years of the Bush regime. That is when most of the damage was done.

And I would really like to hear more about those WMD's you say were found. Perhaps you're thinking of the mustard gas sold to them during the Reagan years. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:31 AM:

" Turns out Gov. Sanford didn't vanish for six days of hiking, Harry. He hopped a plane for a secret jaunt to Argentina!
My, my, his "tastes" must be quite exotic, but then he is a family-values Republican, so perversity is part of the package. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:52 AM:

" Hey, Harry, there's one "news" channel that doesn't consider the bizarre disappearance of a Republican governor to be news at all. Can you guess which "news" channel that is, Harry? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:56 AM:

" WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIAs top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has gone as far as feasible and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.
AP-

I guess someone missed this report. lol! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 11:39 AM:

" Welcome to "The Obama Show"

WashingtonPost (June 24, 2009)

"Pitney asked his arranged question. Reporters looked at one another in amazement at the stagecraft they were witnessing. White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel grinned at the surprised TV correspondents in the first row.

The use of planted questioners is a no-no at presidential news conferences, because it sends a message to the world -- Iran included -- that the American press isn't as free as advertised. But yesterday wasn't so much a news conference as it was a taping of a new daytime drama, "The Obama Show." Missed yesterday's show? Don't worry: On Wednesday, ABC News will be broadcasting "Good Morning America" from the South Lawn (guest stars: the president and first lady), "World News Tonight" from the Blue Room, and a prime-time feature with Obama from the East Room."
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What's next? Obama reading a teleprompter script at White House Press Briefings?

Oh, wait.... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 11:45 AM:

" That's right. The Obama Show.

Well scripted, completely staged, driven by polls, all smoke and mirrors, and gladly packaged and repeated by the complicit mainstream media. That is of course, until the Left-Wing Blogs bypass the "legitimate press" with one of their own Huffpo "reporters".

That of course, is completely unacceptable. The established protocol clearly dictates that the Left-Wing Blogs *wait* for the unbiased mainstream media to package and distribute King Obama's message first. After all, what will become of journalism if mere ideological bloggers start to replace the ideologically driven unbiased mainstream media? I mean really people, we need to respect the time-tested and laughable facade of the "objective" and saintly vocation of "journalism" do we not? I should say so. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:08 PM:

" Here we go again! Barney Frank asks FANNIE and FREDDIE to relax Mortgage lending rules...

Reuters (June 22 2009) In March, Fannie Mae said it would no longer guarantee mortgages on condos in buildings where fewer than 70 percent of the units have been sold, up from 51 percent, the paper said. Freddie Mac is due to implement similar policies next month, the paper said.

In a letter to the CEO's of both companies, Representatives Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Anthony Weiner warned that a 70 percent sales threshold "may be too onerous" and could lead condo buyers to shun new developments, according to the paper.
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Take a good look at this ladies and gentlemen. This is *exactly* how the sub-prime housing market (more than any other singular cause) infected the derivatives market and contributed to the meltdown of the world economy.

Congressional Democrats never learn. Do we? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:10 PM:

" Vice President Dick Cheneys stock options in Halliburton rose from $241,498 in 2004 to over $8 million in 2005, an increase of more than 3,000 percent, as Halliburton continues to rake in billions of dollars from no-bid/no-audit government contracts. (and that was 4 years ago) You have to wonder what they're worth today? Due to the medias ignoring this scandal, we may never know.

Perhaps Fox news will do an hard hitting probe, oops...Cheney's a Republican and therefore off limits for that sort of thing. Now if a Democrat did the same thing....

Something for those who think Cheney didn't have a personal stake in taking this country to war to ponder. Some say war is good for the economy. It sure was for Cheney's stock portfolio. Thanks to the war, Cheney is now one of the super rich in this country. Not bad for a little guy from Wyoming who went into politics dirt poor. "

cedric66 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:36 PM:

" Let me begin by stating that I am no fan of conspiracy theories. That having been said; has anyone considered that Franklin Raines, who left Fannie Mae with 90 mil of unearned bonuses then settled the gov't law suit for about 5.5 mil (almost 1/3 in worthless stock options), later served the Obama transition as a financial advisor, is currently an "insurance company executive" in DC? Everywhere one looks Obama is and has been surrounded by law violators and those that support everything our country is not about or that feed on the weaknesses of our system of faith and trust. These typically are not "steal in the night" miscreants, they are "in your face" rip off artists that we are too politically correct to confront.
The time of rhetoric has ended. It's time to demand better things of ourselves and our government "

cedric66 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:53 PM:

" Yes, I truly believe a revolution may be needed: When the Constitution is being ignored,
When the electorate is being ignored,
When protecting the borders is being
ignored,
When the Bill of Rights is being ignored,
When the strengths which made this
country great are ignored--
THEN, it is time for America's citizens to NOT ignore what is happening. Instead, it is time to consider preparing to do what may be necessary to preserve our Republic. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:10 PM:

" My, my, his "tastes" must be quite exotic, but then he is a family-values Republican, so perversity is part of the package.

You have to wonder if he took Oxyboy with him. Perhaps he shares Limbaugh's taste for island "cuisine"?

I guess you've noticed that there sure has been a lot of GOP moral lapses lately.

How much longer will Fox news be able to ignore them? lol! "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:46 PM:

" Oh, I see that NOW the right wingers are all in a lather about "planted questions" at presidential press conferences.
The $200-an-hour male prostitute Jeff Gannon, a/k/a James Guckert, was able to get daily access to the White House press briefings for two years while working for a hack right-wing news service. Not a peep out of the right wingers then.
Bush and the Republicans have waged a long campaign against journalism denouncing it, infiltrating it, faking it, extorting it, distorting it, planting prostitutes in it and telling every manner of lie about it. 
 Even Bush Press Secretary Scott McClellan admitted that corporate media reporters had willingly rolled over for the Bush lies that caused the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
The rescue of Private Jessica, the enemy attack slaying of Pat Tillman, the fall of Saddams statue, the WDMs all were lies planted by the Bush administration.  To fake news, they added fake journalists.
They bribed columnists. Local TV stations aired propaganda generated by Bush PR hacks, pretending it had been prepared by real reporters. And this is what conservatives are pleased to call the liberal news media, while laughing up their sleeves. I wonder why Obama would have to bother planting questions in that sympathetic, in-the-tank-for-Obama, totally liberal news media the right wingers are always telling us about?
In March 2003, Bush slipped up and admitted that his press conference was actually "scripted." Sometimes puppets just don't have enough brains even for the job they pretend to do, do they? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:05 PM:

" From Fox news (no kidding) I guess they thought it might be a bit to obvious to continue to ignore this one.

"I've let down a lot of people. That's the bottom line," he said. "I've been unfaithful to my wife."

Sanford, who just returned from Argentina, said he developed a "relationship with what started out as a dear, dear friend from Argentina."

The governor "apologized" profusely to his family, his staff and the people of South Carolina.

I really hate to be an I told you so, but I did. lol!

Another big time GOPer goes down to yet another sex scandal.

At least this time it did turn out to be somone of the opposite gender.

Lack of fidelity really shouldn't hurt him, after all McCain wasn't hurt by it during the last go around for the nomination. Apparently infidelity is a Republican family value. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:28 PM:

" Gosh, the gays must have somehow weakened Gov. Sanford's Republican moral fiber. Those FIENDS! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:04 PM:

" Who will be the first with the "Bush did it too!" response?
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And the winner is:

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:46 PM:

Although I see no comparison between TQ's "claims", and the documented spectacle of The President of the United States specifically fielding a badly scripted "random question" from a Far-Left blogger planted by the Obama Admin, and passed off as a journalist.

The Obama Show will continue on ABC (the All Barrack Channel) for 9 straight days. Another unparalleled episode of propaganda for this sad nation.

I understand the teleprompter will be hidden off camera so King Obama can maintain the illusion of cohesive and original thought. However, the "uhms...ers....and uhs" will surely hamper The One's teleprompted reading skills.

Stay tuned. And I thank you. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:09 PM:

" Could Gov. Sanford define the sacred Republican bond of marriage for us again, please? You know, that God-ordained, unbreakable, heaven-sent, one-man, one-woman only thing? I'd sure like to hear that. "

father bob wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:16 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:28 PM:
" Gosh, the gays must have somehow weakened Gov. Sanford's Republican moral fiber. Those FIENDS! """"""

OH MY!

.....i'm shocked! another republican biblethumping politician defiles the "sanctity of marriage".

OH MY! OH MY! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:19 PM:

" Iran burns as revolution fuels the desire for liberty. The President has spent trillions on a supposed "stimulus" plan, and still the economy is in shambles with no recovery in site. Barney Frank wants to further relax the reckless regulations on Fannie and Freddie. Unemployment is sure to hit double digits. The White House is using planted questions and scripted answers in their briefings. And on top of all that, King Obama will use his new State Controlled Media in an attempt to "ShamWow" the populace into even more outrageous spending on universal health care.

But say, did you hear?

Gov Sanford's having an affair.

Quick everyone, look over here! "

father bob wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:28 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:39 PM:
" 2010 can't come soon enough! """""

i concur snotnose! we need to get ALL those godless scumbag republicans OUT! "

father bob wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:59 PM:

" 7X6Z9

yellowcake....WMDs "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:16 PM:

" Larry Craig. Mark Foley. David Vitter. John Ensign. Mark Sanford. Holy, hoolll-eeee, HOOOOO-LEEEEE! Gimme them old-time Republican family values, baby! "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:21 PM:

" (To the tune of "Bette Davis Eyes") "Oh, hee-sss got Jimmy Swaggart tears...." "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:51 PM:

" It looks like we are witnessing a mental collapse in the form of schizophrenic jubilance among our Obama supporters.

Apparently, the collapse of King Obama's agenda along with his lowering poll numbers have caused his loyal disciples in here to, shall we say; lose it. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:15 PM:

" Did you know that Fox "News" identified disgraced Republican Gov. Mark Sanford as a Democrat on the very day he admitted his philandering?
Do you recall that Fox "News" is the organization that also changed Congressman Mark Foley's party affiliation from Republican to Democratic after it was inescapably confirmed that Foley was sexually soliciting teenage male pages in Congress?
Fox "News" -- always lying to blame Republican immorality and scandals on Democrats. That's what Republicans call news-gathering -- naked, lying, fascist propaganda. "

father bob wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:29 PM:

" 'spose Newt called with his condolences??? "

father bob wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:32 PM:

" did you notice the women standing behind him?...the ones smiling and laughing??

they'd probably seen his moves and know why he had to take his act out of the country.

and i've gotta say those eyes were pretty white and rested for a man who'd been "crying for 5 days"....ROFLMAO!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 6:05 PM:

" Like the good Republican he is, the cheating Republican governor tried to play the religion card. How much lower can you get? The more Republican scandals the harder Sybil goes after Obama. Let's hope Sybil can hold up under all this pressure and doesn't have to take one of his sabbaticals.

We used to get about one Republican scandal a week, looks like were going to be up to one a day. Of course all this could be planned because they know their party usually goes for the sex scandal type. Look for Sarah to come up with something, after all she doesn't want any of her potential rivals to outshine her. I expect a tearful press conference from her too. She'll probably try to claim an affair with a moose or something. Now that would sure draw some redneck votes her way. lol! "

kamfong wrote on Jun 24, 2009 6:15 PM:

" I totaly agree with your post Cedric 66,Jun 24,2009@12;53pm. And I can hardly wait to be on the band wagon. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:47 PM:

" That's what Republicans call news-gathering -- naked, lying, fascist propaganda. "

Another possibility, TQ. Maybe they're just stupid. Murdoch is well know for paying peanut wages, so perhaps this is best he could get for his dirt wages. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:49 PM:

" Harry, Question, as much as I try to defend you guys, can't you agree that Obama isn't the Messiah and is prone to error? Also I agree, I hate fox news but can we find another way to attack the right?

7x6z9 I will admit that your rhetoric is like the rest of the right leaning as well.

NeoCon same as well, how many times can you copy and paste the "definition" of "Obamulism"? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:51 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:53 PM:

" Yes, I truly believe a revolution may be needed: When the Constitution is being ignored,
When the electorate is being ignored,
When protecting the borders is being
ignored,
When the Bill of Rights is being ignored,
When the strengths which made this
country great are ignored--
THEN, it is time for America's citizens to NOT ignore what is happening. Instead, it is time to consider preparing to do what may be necessary to preserve our Republic. "

Pretty good job of describing the Bush years, seedy. But I'm afraid it's too late to rebel. Bush is no longer in office. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:13 PM:

" My, my, my, how socially tolerant the Republicans have become all of a sudden. No more of that fire and brimstone about the holy, holy, holy sanctity of one-man, one-woman marriage. Suddenly they're all live and let live, and tut-tutting us about how someone's "private conduct" is no business of anyone else's.
So it's all right with them if chief executive public officials simply vanish for a week or two on foreign adultery sprees of an unspecified variety and instruct their staffs to lie about it for them. Merely a "private matter." No scandal here. Move along, folks. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:40 PM:

" Another possibility, TQ. Maybe they're just stupid. Murdoch is well know for paying peanut wages, so perhaps this is best he could get for his dirt wages.
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I'll believe that, Harry, the very first time Fox News mistakenly identifies a scandal-plagued Democrat as a Republican. I guarantee you that WILL NEVER HAPPEN. "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:44 PM:

" Harry, Question, as much as I try to defend you guys, can't you agree that Obama isn't the Messiah and is prone to error?
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I'll be able to respond, proletariat, when you point out to me when Harry or I ever stated that Obama is the Messiah or that he is infallible.
In other words, what the devil are you talking about? "

The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:06 PM:

" Looking ahead to 2012, some possible Republican tickets:
Romney-Sanford, "Pompous & Pampas."
McCain-Sanford, "Groucho & Gaucho." "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 PM:

" I never said you have called him that. I'm talking about this policy that he can no wrong. People have ignored his flip flopping on promises he made early in the primaries. My point is, sometimes like in this letter, you don't have to support him when he has done something wrong. The unconstitutionality that Don pointed out is correct. The rest is wrong. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 24, 2009 11:53 PM:

" julio wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:38 AM:
" The "truth" is that NO WMD's were found, unless you're getting your information from Bill O'Reily or Rush.

The Iraq Survey
Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight. - By Kenneth R. Timmerman, 2009 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs - By Kenneth R. Timmerman, 2009 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

"a partially declassified Army National Ground Intelligence Center report confirms that since 2003 U.S. forces have discovered more than 500 shells of ordinance containing sarin or mustard gas, i.e., WMD. It is now a definitive fact that there were WMDs in Iraq, and that Saddam Hussein lied to the world when he said Iraq had no WMD._ Media Research Group, Friday, June 23, 2006

Weapons of mass destruction were quietly found in Iraq earlier this month. - This column written by Stephen Crockett and Al Lawrence (hosts of Democratic Talk Radio)

Here is just a small amount of the evidence including Democrats say they were found.
________________________________________

How honest were the "no bid" contracts? The ones were a few Texas companys (one with close ties to Dick Cheany) made millions? "

You mean the companies that were the only ones doing that job? Also are we going to discuss Clinton's no bid contract to Halliburton also.
The company had won the LOGCAP in 1992, then lost it in 1997. The Clinton administration nonetheless awarded a no-bid contract to Halliburton to continue its work in the Balkans supporting the U.S. peacekeeping mission there because it made little sense to change midstream. According to Byron York, Al Gore's reinventing-government panel even singled out Halliburton for praise for its military logistics work.
Guess in only matters what letter is after your name. I have never nor will I say Bush did everything right in the war. On the contrary he messed up many times, just as all Presidents do. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:06 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:31 AM:
" You left out the Democratically held Congress in your statement. They had to allow Bush to go. "

Uh..I hate to rain on your parade jr, but are you aware that the Republicans controlled congress for the first 6 years of the Bush regime. That is when most of the damage was done.

That's right they just voted for it before voting against it. However they still could have had enough votes against. They also looked at the same intelligence as Bush. When they got superior control they could have cut off funding. My point is that Congress is just as much at fault. This Congress and the last have had the lowest approval ratings. It was not just one man, but the entire government that has messed up.
________________________________________

And I would really like to hear more about those WMD's you say were found. Perhaps you're thinking of the mustard gas sold to them during the Reagan years. "

I have already shown the evidence to julio, read what was shown there. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:09 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 24, 2009 9:56 AM:
" WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIAs top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has gone as far as feasible and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.
AP-

I guess someone missed this report. lol! "

Hey Harry you left off where this report came from. Wonder why? I cited differing places. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 6:37 AM:

" From the Fox news archives, jr. I guess your favorite news source was lying, huh? lol! "

Hound Dog wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:04 AM:

" Does anyone know how much taxpayer money Obama has wasted so far in his 6th month? Wake up America. No to energy bill, no to health care Government takeover at this bad economic time. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:11 AM:

" Also I agree, I hate fox news but can we find another way to attack the right?

Seriously, what better way to attack the right than to point out the errors, lies and distortions of their number one mouthpiece?

Besides that, it's fun. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:22 AM:

" And speaking of Fox news, it's looks like they're waking up to reality. This was on their site this AM:

Sanford's infidelity admission adds to an ever-growing list of woes for the out-of-power Republican Party as it looks to rebound against President Barack Obama and his emboldened Democrats. The episode is another distraction for a party seeking a turnaround after disastrous losses in consecutive national elections as it confronts a stark reality: its less than diverse ranks are steadily shrinking, its regional heft is limited to the South and it lacks a leader of stature to guide the party back to power.

To further illustrate their struggles, a recent poll taken shows that the most important leader they feel they have is Sarah Palin. Now that is pretty telling in itself. lol! "

The Question wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:38 AM:

" In a press conference in August 2006, when questioned, President Bush admitted that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and had nothing to do with 9/11. End of story.
The United States invaded and occupied a nation that never attacked or threatened this country at a taxpayer cost of trillions, slaughtering hundreds of thousands of its people and getting thousands of U.S. troops killed, using only lies as justification.
The truth certainly hurts, doesn't it? Too bad you warmongers weren't interested in truth in 2003. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:18 AM:

" Obama discusses deathbed measures

LATimes- President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.

In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care."
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That should send a cold chill down everyone's spine.

The Culture-of-Death grows. This is hardly surprising from a President who supported infanticide.

Who determines "not necessarily"? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:18 AM:

" When we as a society can kill the unborn for virtually any reason, or no reason at all; this is the inevitable result. When "viability" is the determining factor for the unalienable right to life, it can never be exclusively held for just the unborn. It can, and will be, the measure of everyone's "unalienable right" to life.

I've been predicting this. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:36 AM:

" News you won't hear from Fox:

In its final months in office, the Bush administration made out pretty well in odd and exotic gifts from foreign leaders - including diamond jewelery, a taxidermied lion, and Israeli bike shorts.

One of the most generous gift-givers was Libya's Moamar Qaddafi, who seemed particularly grateful for former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's visit to Tripoli last year, giving her gifts with a total value of $212,225, including a diamond ring and a locket with his own picture inside, according to a newly-released State Department report.
Huffinton post- "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:42 AM:

" Rumor has it that Sarah Palin wants to change the Alaskan state song to "Don't cry for me Argentina". "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:48 AM:

" Hal Turner, an occasional talk show host on Internet radio and blogger, was arrested today by the FBI in his New Jersey home on charges he threatened to murder three federal appeals court judges in Chicago following their recent ruling upholding handgun bans.

According to the U.S. attorney's office, postings on Turner's web site included photos of the judges and addresses for them, with statements such as: "Let me be the first to say this plainly; These judges deserve to be killed."
GN news-

This poor sap was probably going for a gig as guest host of the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:00 AM:

" Larry Craig. Mark Foley. David Vitter. John Ensign. Mark Sanford. Holy, hoolll-eeee, HOOOOO-LEEEEE! Gimme them old-time Republican family values, baby! "

Allow me to add a couple of more names to the list TQ. How about Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Sarah Palin. After all, a list of those who were either proven or accused of infidelity wouldn't be complete with including those folks.

Oh, those good old Republican family values we keep hearing about. lol!

Ironically, it was a Republican sex scandal that first helped get Obama elected to his Senate seat. Remember that one? "

father bob wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:07 AM:

" The Question wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:13 PM:
" My, my, my, how socially tolerant the Republicans have become all of a sudden. No more of that fire and brimstone about the holy, holy, holy sanctity of one-man, one-woman marriage. Suddenly they're all live and let live, and tut-tutting us about how someone's "private conduct" is no business of anyone else's."""""

this was quite apparent on the gay rights thread!!!.....ROFLMAO!!! "

father bob wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:12 AM:

" hehehe....WMD's....

can i hear a little "yellowcake" banter for old time's sake?

(it's like shooting fish in a barrel!) "

father bob wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:13 AM:

" (or perhaps more fitting: "picking up ducks at the carnival") "

The Question wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:38 AM:

" Ironically, it was a Republican sex scandal that first helped get Obama elected to his Senate seat. Remember that one? "
---
You're right, Harry! Involving an actress wife who so unreasonably refused to perform public sex in a Paris sex club for her Republican politician hubby.
I had forgotten. It's just so darn hard to keep track of all these stand-up-guy, family-values, Promise Keeper Republicans. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 10:27 AM:

" "Suddenly they're all live and let live, and tut-tutting us about how someone's "private conduct" is no business of anyone else's."
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How would gay-marriage allow anyone to do anything they're not already doing behind closed doors?

I thought the entire issue was about financial benefits? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 AM:

" In a press conference in August 2006, when questioned, President Bush admitted that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and had nothing to do with 9/11.

Thanks for reminding us of that public admission by Bush, TQ.

Apparently Cheney and some of the regulars on this site don't believe their Messiah Bush (sorry I couldn't help myself). This seems to put them in a difficult postition, considering that they have been denying Bush's dishonesty for so long. So the question becomes, was he lying when he made the above statement?

Hopefully these comments won't result in more yellow cake discussions from our friend Sybil or from any of his "multiple personalities". lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:45 PM:

" You have to laugh at the right wings obsession with Obama and Iran. They're all but claiming Obama is pro establishment in it's attitude for the current Iranian regime. This in light of their revered icon Ronald Reagan and his apparent love affair with the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, seems to me to be rather comical. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:48 PM:

" I see that the gay bashing Sybil is trying to steer this site toward another one of his favorite topics: gay issues. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 1:53 PM:

" The Obama Administration sets the moral compass for its party." Sarah Palin

With the almost daily scandals in the GOP you have to wonder who sets the moral compass for Sarahcuda's party.

Oh yeah, Sarah with her daily "I'm being abused" press conferences.

Or could it be the convicted drug user, Oxyboy Limbaugh.

To think these reprobates represent the once proud party of Lincoln.

What a pair of spokespersons... LOL! "

warrior wrote on Jun 25, 2009 2:17 PM:

" President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused Barack Obama on Thursday of behaving like his predecessor (Bush)toward Iran and said there was not much point in talking to Washington unless the U.S. president apologized. and I thought all you democrats said Bush and Obama had nothing in common. LMAO.....get ready for the apology, again. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 2:28 PM:

" ObamaCare: $4 trillion in costs

In testimony before a House subcommittee on the health-care industry on Tuesday, Dr. Stephen Parente of the University of Minnesota gave the real numbers on the cost of ObamaCare.

HSINetwork- "There are two things people most want to know from these proposals. One, how many uninsured will be covered? Two, what will it cost the nation in one year and in ten years?

HSI estimates, like CBOs recent results, find there is no free lunch to expand health insurance coverage. Our early assessment of the Senate Finance committee proposal shows a 74% reduction in the uninsured with a 10 year cost of [$]2.7 trillion using public option plan modeled after the Massachusetts Connector. We also modeled an FEHBP version of the public plan and got a cost of over [$]1.3 trillion, but with a 30% reduction in the uninsured."
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If the "rich" in this country were taxed at a 100 percent tax rate, it would barely dent the cost of the "stimulus" plan, or the Obama energy plan, or the ObamaCare health plan. When you add them all up- forget it.

There is simply no way to pay for all of this. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 3:36 PM:

" It is a strange world indeed, when gay-marriage advocates are joyously celebrating the miserable affair of a cad-Republican Governor's failed marriage. Homosexual couples are already free to indulge in their own brand of this cheating desolation, but apparently their lives will not be complete until the states recognize their "unalienable right" to pursue this particular form of financial misery. Be careful what you wish for, the divorce attorneys may make your nightmarish dreams come true. Then who will you protest? "

father bob wrote on Jun 25, 2009 3:37 PM:

" Miami, Fl.(AP) Rush Limbaugh, the voice of Excellence In Broadcasting, today blamed U.S. President Barack Obama for the sun rising in the east. More to follow. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:29 PM:

" PROMISES, PROMISES: Obama slow on pledge to gays

AP (June 25 2009) - President Barack Obama promised gay and lesbian voters he would repeal a law banning their open service in the military, would do away with a federal marriage law and would champion their causes from the White House. In his first five months, he's taken incremental steps that have little real effect and left some people feeling betrayed.

But he's still willing to take money from a reliably Democratic constituencyhe was sending Vice President Joe Biden to a Democratic National Committee fundraiser Thursday evening with gay and lesbian donors.

Some gay donors called for a boycott after Obama's Justice Department, in a court filing, compared gay marriages to incest.
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Apparently Obama's concerned that gay-marriage will lead to incest-marriage.

Hmmm? I made this very same argument.

Thank you Mr President. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:40 PM:

" Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.
The report was part of a multi-pronged assault on the credibility of private insurers by Commerce Committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.). It came at a time when Rockefeller, President Obama and others are seeking to offer a public alternative to private health plans as part of broad health-care reform legislation. Health insurers are doing everything they can to block the public option.
Washington Post-

The Republicans are in league with the giant insurance companies and are going to do everything they can to stop any sort of meaningful reform. Their mantra of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" appears to be off base.

The real question is, will the Democrats and Obama hold their ground against this Republican/insurance industry assault.

Hopefully the Democrats will do the same thing the Republicans did when they had complete control, and that is to ram some meaningful reform through. I'm sure this will end in some form of compromise, and hopefully the reform will be the sort of thing that no longer allows the giant insurance companies to continue their current practices of scre*ing over their clients. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 PM:

" It looks like our friend Sybil is doing his best to turn this thread into a place for him to continue his gay bashing. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:59 PM:

" King Obama arranges 9 straight days of his ObamaCare ShamWow infomercial to run on ABC, and what happens?

Republican Gov Sanford has a torrid extramarital affair, Farrah Fawcet dies, and now, Michael Jackson dies.

The Teleprompter's going to be working overtime to compete with those headlines. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 25, 2009 5:01 PM:

" AP- "Some gay donors called for a boycott after Obama's Justice Department, in a court filing, compared gay marriages to incest."
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Mr Potter, why is your Messiah (President Obama) bashing gays, sir? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 5:04 PM:

" fb, you really need to check out todays on line Fox forum. The Pubs are bending over backwards defending their reprobate governor. Some of the comments are hilarious.

Poor Sarahcuda is being overshadowed with this story, so I'm sure she's cooking up another press conference to whine about her family issues and get back in the limelight.

And hey, are you the one who got Sybil back on his gay bashing rants? lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 5:10 PM:

" The fact that she let her daughter Piper stand there and hear people call our future President a terrorist and yell "kill him" is evidence enough for me that she's not a good mother.

comments from an astute blogger on the latest Palin flap- "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 6:27 PM:

" Good grief, how many more disgraced Republican politicians will Fox news "accidentally" identify as Democrats?

This seems to be a habit with that bunch.

At the rate the ethics violations are piling up on Sarahcuda, look for them to try labeling her a Democrat too. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:31 PM:

" It's not just the growing list of Republicans that blasted Bill Clinton for his affairs that have their words come back to haunt them.

The same holds true for radio comedians passing themselves off as political experts:

Too many whites are getting away with drug use...Too many whites are getting away with drug sales...The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river, too." --in 1995

"I am addicted to prescription pain medication." --in 2003

Rush is pretty silent these days about drug addicts. Out of respect to the drug addicted Limabugh, his fellow hate radio jocks have maintained silence on the topic of drug addiction. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 6:37 AM:
" From the Fox news archives, jr. I guess your favorite news source was lying, huh? lol! "

Looks more like an AP story to me. Since you have AP after the story. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 25, 2009 8:36 AM:
" News you won't hear from Fox:

In its final months in office, the Bush administration made out pretty well in odd and exotic gifts from foreign leaders - including diamond jewelery, a taxidermied lion, and Israeli bike shorts.

One of the most generous gift-givers was Libya's Moamar Qaddafi, who seemed particularly grateful for former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's visit to Tripoli last year, giving her gifts with a total value of $212,225, including a diamond ring and a locket with his own picture inside, according to a newly-released State Department report.
Huffinton post- "

Harry come on they all do that. Look at the gift Clinton got. This is above you. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 25, 2009 11:47 PM:

" Its funny I remember a few years ago when the highest ranking politician in the country was having "cigars" it was a "personal matter", that was "no one's business." That it was between "him and his wife." Now it is okay to say anything. I am not defending the man. I think he has done wrong and should resign, as the others should. He at least came clean about the affair, and didn't lie to a grand jury. I mean if were are going to go there let's at least say that both sides are just as bad. Does the name Kennedy ring a bell? "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:35 AM:

" Of course I shouldn't of given those on the right any ammunition. apologize there potter. Took the words out of my mouth and right into theirs. "

Bps wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:02 AM:

" With as many as 20,000 people in attendance, the Atlanta Tea Party on April 15 was one of the largest and most successful Tea Parties in the country. The Atlanta Tea Party on July 4, 2009 had been expected to be just as large.

Unfortunately, plans have changed. Simon Property Group has forced the cancellation of the Atlanta Tea Party.

The Atlanta Tea Party was forced to cancel its Independence Day celebration in Gwinnett, after losing its location due to the objection of Gwinnett Place Mall (a Simon company.)

The Tea Party had been scheduled to take place in the parking lot of the old Macy's building at Gwinnett Place since March.

With just a few days left until the Fourth of July Tea Parties begin, this is very unfortunate timing! One wonders why Simon Property Group waited until now to interfere.

Following the money, connecting the dots:

1. Gwinnett Place Mall shut down the Atlanta Tea Party.
2. Simon Property Group owns Gwinnett Place Mall.
3. Melvin Simon (a Forbes 400 billionaire) is Co-chairman of Simon Property Group, Inc.
4. Melvin Simon has provided large political contributions to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Al Franken, John Edwards, the DNC and many other Democrats and Democrat organizations.
5. Melvin Simon was a major contributor to Barack Obama inaugural committee and has given at least $1 million to the William J. Clinton foundation.
6. Melvin's wife, Bren, personally donated almost $100,000 to various political candidates, was a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton's presidential bid, and contributed to President Obama's inaugural committee.
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Link: http://tinyurl.com/lykj9w

No one can claim Liberals arent devious as they waited until it was too late to find another venue before they withdrew permission to use the property.

Must be because of their love of the First Amendment rights of the expected 20,000+ people huh?

Guess it only applies to their causes. "

Bps wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:18 AM:

" Obamacare Infomercial lowest rated prime time show of the evening

The ABC News special Primetime Questions for the President: Prescription for America had the fewest viewers in the 10 p.m. hour.

It was up against NBCs The Philanthropist and a REPEAT of CSI on CBS).

Good news through, the special tied some 8 p.m. comedy repeats as the lowest-rated program on a major broadcast network.

To bad viewership was so low, if more of the people would have watched they could have found out that no matter how rationed and controlled their care is to be, of course the Presidents family will still get the best care money can buy:

Elites often propose solutions that limit options for the general public, secure in the knowledge that no matter what THEIR MONEY and POSITION enables them to be excluded or to purchase what ever they need or want.

A Dr. Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to promise that he wouldnt seek extraordinary help for his wife or daughters if they became sick and the public plan hes proposing limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The President REFUSED to make such a pledge.

He said if its my family member, if its my wife, if its my children, if its my grandmother I always want them to get the very best care.

Yep, change you can count on--- NOT!

Brought to us by the democrats- you know the same ones who in 1973, lead by Teddy Kennedy, created the great HMO mess we have now.

Guess they don't ration and control health care enough already and have decided to come back and finish the job and take away all personal control and place it in the hands of bureaucrats to ration. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:14 AM:

" Does the name Kennedy ring a bell? "

Yes it does jr, and I would note there were a lot of rumors floating around about Bush Sr, while serving as VP, at one time. I'll see if I can dig up something on it.

It's also a well established fact the the last GOP candidate for president was romantically involved with another woman while still married to his first wife.

In addition, a best selling book, that was blasted by the GOP as trash of course, detailed some of Reagans trysts too.

For some reason, some of those who get caught, seem to weather the storm. Clinton and Gingrich come to mind.

Before Clinton got caught, the press seemed to look the other way. Those days appear to be over.

Perhaps Henry Kissinger said it best with his oft quoted line: "power is the ultimate aphrodisiac".

But you're right, infidelity is not limited to just one party.

For the record, I have never defended Clinton for his suspected cheating or for the one he got busted for. I have often said he should have resigned.

Having said that, I will acknowledge that I have defended him when lies were told about him, such as the story that goes around that he had the opportunity to get OBL but passed on it. There is ample evidence that disputes that claim.

There's an interesting article in todays paper that theorises about why politicians cheat. While this article is based on suppositions, it does make sense, and makes for a good read.

In closing, allow me to point out that some of the stories reported by Fox on line are from the AP. Just as they are on other on line sources such as the liberal Huffington post site as well as all the major TV network web sites. It may have been an AP story, but I read it on Fox on line.

Sorry to be so gassy so early in the day. lol! "

angi61 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:23 AM:

" Oh my gosh Mr. Searles! Apparently you have been sleeping the last 8 years and more. Tyranny you say? Our Constitution, the Geneva Convention, and much more, went out the window over the last 8 years and we all let it fall away in the name of fear-mongering, while we sat back and let King Bush, Cheney and the crazies run this country into hell. Do your homework and look at the laws broken, rights taken away, etc... in the name of the Patriot Act and more. We just sat back and let it happen and I say we!! Everyday rights are taken away from us, been happening for years. I haven't forgotten many treaties which I believe were supposed to be honored in which the U.S. has broken against the original peoples of this land. Let's not forget again, the Patriot Act which took away Probable Cause as well. Should I go on? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Cap and trade vote today.
Update: 300-page, last-minute amendment

Soon to be known as "Cr@p and Trade" (mark my words) especially when you see what this is going to do to your energy bills.

And all of this based on the ridiculous pseudo-science of "global warming"; of which skepticism in the scientific community is actually growing.
Over a 1000 pages, with a 300 page amendment. I'm sure Congress has read all of it.(uh-huh) Just like they read all of Porkulus. Speaking of which- how's those unemployment numbers looking?

But here's the bottom line:

All of the increase will get passed on to consumers. The Associated Press tries to down play that with their usual Democrat spin- but don't you believe it.

AP- Everyone agrees that under this "cap-and-trade" system the cost of energy is expected to increase as electricity producers and industrial plants pay for increased efficiency, move toward greater use of renewable energy, pay for ways to capture carbon emissions or purchase pollution allowances.

They disagree, however, on how much of the added cost would be passed onto consumers. Democrats argue that much of the cost increase could be offset by other provisions in the bill.
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Mr Potter, The Question, Father Bob, and all the other Obama-sycophants are going to be busy in the coming years spinning out of this pocket-book devastation.

Just stick to your standard script:

1) It's all Bush's fault.

2) Those darned Republicans did it too.

3) It's all lies by the evil FoxNews.

Good Luck fellas. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:36 AM:

" WSJ: Climate bill would be 'biggest tax in American history'...

"Their gambit got a boost this week, when the Congressional Budget Office did an analysis of what has come to be known as the Waxman-Markey bill. According to the CBO, the climate legislation would cost the average household only $175 a year by 2020. Edward Markey, Mr. Waxman's co-author, instantly set to crowing that the cost of upending the entire energy economy would be no more than a postage stamp a day for the average household. Amazing. A closer look at the CBO analysis finds that it contains so many caveats as to render it useless." "

The Question wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:36 AM:

" This is not about Gov. Sanford's risible, pathetic "private life." It's about his abandonment of his public responsibility, his lying and his hypocrisy.
Sanford himself once said, "But the bottom line is, he still lied. He lied under a different oath and that is the oath to his wife. so it has got to be taken very seriously."
Are we supposed to absolve Sanford of HIS OWN PROFESSED MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDARDS? All we now know for certain about this particular Republican punch-line is that he is an adulterer who abandons his public responsibilities for secret week-long sex romps in South America and instructs his taxpayer-paid staff to lie about it for him to the people who employ them.
Sanford has stated all this must be taken "very seriously," so I'll take him at his word and do JUST THAT. "

The Question wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:41 AM:

" Rush Limbaugh has gotten to the bottom of Gov. Sanford's disgraceful conduct. The Republicans' porcine pontiff says Sanford's behavior was caused by President Obama.
I'm NOT KIDDING. That's just how moronic these right wingers really are.
Now, Limbaugh can go back to carping about how poor people should be bankrupted by medical bills and thrown out of their homes because we must never violate that sacred Republican principle of "personal responsibility." "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:44 AM:

" I see where the Republicans leading cheerleader Limbaugh is trying to blame Sanford's infidelity on Obama. Rush claims the Sanford was so depressed over the state of the country that he fell into infidelity.

There's a slight problem with Limbaugh's theory. Sanford started having this affair before Obama even became president.

But of course the countries number one drug addict has never let facts get in the way of his delusional ideas. "

The Question wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:49 AM:

" One thing I will guarantee you -- Fox News will NEVER, EVER "accidentally" identify a disgraced Democrat as a Republican, even though they have "accidentally" done the reverse several times.
Why? Because Fox News is a bunch of lying, fascist propagandists, that's why. "

The Question wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:09 AM:

" In light of the Sanford disgrace, Fox News' James Rosen provided an overview of previous political sex scandals. According to him, they happened only to Democrats, oddly enough -- Jim McGreevey, Bill Clinton and Marion Barry.
Fairly unbalanced, journalistically and mentally, as always. "

father bob wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:18 AM:

" anyone have any good republican Fannie Mae-Freddie Mack propaganda?

LMAO!! "

father bob wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:39 AM:

" all in a day's work.....the right at it's finest.

Hal Turner, a White Supremacist blogger, was arrested and charged with making:

internet postings threatening to assault and murder three federal appeals court judges in Chicago in retaliation for their recent ruling upholding handgun bans in Chicago and a suburb.

What did Turner say?

Let me be the first to say this plainly: These Judges deserve to be killed. The postings included photographs, phone numbers, work address and room numbers of these judges, along with a photo of the building in which they work and a map of its location.

This was Turners second arrest this month.

Earlier this month, he turned himself in to the Connecticut State Police on charges of inciting violence against three state officials. He urged his audience to take up arms because he was reportedly angry over legislation that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches in Connecticut more control over their parishs finances.

But Hals not the only right-wing extremist out there. Michael Savage Nation Weiner has decided to throw out a few threats of his own.

Right wing talker Michael Savage vowed yesterday during his broadcast that he will retaliate against media watchdog Media Matters for America by posting pictures and pertinent information about the organizations staff on his website.

Also from the article on Savage:

The history of right wing extremists using wanted posters against abortion providers is well documented. Recently the right wing Christian group the American Center for Law and Justice celebrated its court victory for the truth truck that promoted incendiary attacks on Dr. George Tiller. Sadly two days later Tiller was dead, assassinated in his place of worship. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:51 AM:

" "This is not about Gov. Sanford's risible, pathetic "private life." It's about his abandonment of his public responsibility, his lying and his hypocrisy."
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Well then, TQ, why did *you* make this an issue about "private lives" in an effort to bolster your gay-marriage stance?

"Are we supposed to absolve Sanford of HIS OWN PROFESSED MORAL AND ETHICAL STANDARDS?"
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Absolutely not. He should resign.

"All we now know for certain about this particular Republican punch-line is that he is an adulterer who abandons his public responsibilities for secret week-long sex romps in South America and instructs his taxpayer-paid staff to lie about it for him to the people who employ them."
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Then they *all* must go.

There now. Are you happy? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:01 AM:

" Angi61, apparently you are *completely* unaware of Mr Obama's stance on warrantless wiretapping, his defense of the secrecy of Bush-era interrogations (just a few weeks ago) or his expansive use of extraordinary rendition. The campaign is over, Madam. His promises have been broken. His backtracks are easily proven.

I would suggest you educate yourself, Madam. You can start by reading something *other* than HuffPo and the rest of the Left-Wing talking points gambit. Open your mind and smell the reality, Madam. "

red,white,blue wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:30 AM:

" Haven't read these blogs for weeks. Better things to do. But I see some things never change. HP is still calling conservative women stupid and ugly and TQ is still blaming the Bush administration for everything that happened since the beginning of time. Kind of hard to do anything else I guess when what the current administration is doing to this country is so completely indefensible. But I'm also glad to see that there are many who are starting to really question what is happening to this country. The House is going to pass today a bill that is more than 1200 pages long (300 pages were added in the middle of the night) and of which 85% of the 'perks' go to special interest groups. Not to mention what it is going to cost you and me and everybody else in this country, including the poor. Yeah, those people who were told by Obama that their 'taxes' would not be raised by one penny. Well I guess he was right. Taxes, no; cost of living? Through the roof! "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:18 AM:

" "The reckless fiscal policies of the past have left us in a very deep hole, and digging our way out of it will take time, patience and some tough choices." - Barrack Obama (June 2009)

There's the problem. Obama thinks you *DIG* your way out of a hole. "

red,white,blue wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:38 AM:

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 PM:

" HP is still calling conservative women stupid and ugly....

Hold on there a minute Martha. I never said all conservative women were stupid and ugly. About the only conservative woman I've ever mentioned is the simple minded Sarah Palin. Stupid yes, but certainly not ugly, to the contrary I think she a very attractive women.

You must be the one equating ugliness with stupidity. Shame on you, there is no correlation.

Welcome back, I miss hearing someone touting Sarah's family values. lol! "

even steven wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:54 PM:

" Both the democrats and the republicans have used the US Constitution as toilet paper. Obama and his minions are trampling over our rights in even a more egregious manner then Bush did, yet the press is all gaga over the man and offers very little criticism.

We are all governed by our own consent, and elected officials would do well to remember as much. In the past, such abuses as taxation without representation and oppression were answered with gun fire. "

father bob wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:21 PM:

" oh....and RWB maybe you need to go water your Chia-Obama and check on the cookies before the kids get up from their nap. "

red,white,blue wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:42 PM:

" To refresh your memory:
Harry Potter wrote on Jun 20, 2009 12:30 PM:

"Not relevant to the point (! an understatement), but does anyone else think Ingraham is almost as homely as the horseface Ann Coulter? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 PM:

from rwb: " HP is still calling conservative women stupid and ugly....

I never said all conservative women were stupid and ugly. About the only conservative woman I've ever mentioned is the simple minded Sarah Palin.

Dear Mr. Potter: along with your various posts showing us your obsession with Sarah Palin who I did not mention, the above is what you wrote about Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter. I guess you did not use the word ALL which I'm sure is how you'll spin it...but then neither did I. "

The Question wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:44 PM:

" I haven't been reading these blogs for awhile so maybe I missed your condemnation, Father Bob, of the Muslim terrorist who killed the soldier at the Arkansas recruiting station simply because he was a soldier and represented the United States.
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So what, Reddy Kilowatt? Why the devil should Father Bob do that? This blog isn't read by anyone who has advocated the murder of U.S. soldiers. But it's read by plenty of people who think that the ending of abortion justifies any means necessary to achieve it. Those people need to be reminded that they are dead wrong, and shown exactly why, with concrete illustrations.
I haven't heard you denounce the 1915 Armenian genocide, have I, Reddy? WHY NOT? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? "

The Question wrote on Jun 26, 2009 3:20 PM:

" The Lothario of the Argentine, Gov. Sanford, now says he should not resign because King David didn't.
I swear you cannot make this stuff up. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 4:49 PM:

" "This blog isn't read by anyone who has advocated the murder of U.S. soldiers."
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You TQ and your ilk in here, have endlessly droned on and on about "war crimes" carried out by U.S. troops and Blackwater contractors. Does that incite violence towards our troops or against military contractors? By your logic, it must.

And yet you, TQ, tried to blame people like O'Reilly (who I'm no fan of) for the death of Dr Tiller.

And now you're making blanket statements about Pro-Life individuals: "But it's read by plenty of people who think that the ending of abortion justifies any means necessary to achieve it."

Prove that statement TQ.

How do you know this? How many people have stated that position in here? Give me some names, sir. How many equates to "plenty", sir? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:08 PM:

" The vast majority of Conservative commentary on the infidelity of Republican Gov. Sanford has not only been critical (which it should) but it has called for his resignation. Notice, if you will, that these "Right-Wing" opinions do not try to rationalize the Governors indefensible actions, and they don't try to parse the affair with: "It depends what the meaning of the word 'is', is".
That's what responsible and mature commentary looks like. In other words, the exact opposite of the t!t-for-tat schadenfruede that the hyper-partisan Liberals in here love to wallow in. Just like pigs in a sty. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:15 PM:

" Good catch, Martha. But as you say all three of those reprobates don't represent ALL conservative women. And you have to concede that I never said anything about Palin being ugly. Dumb as a box rocks, yes but certainly not ugly.

And hey come on, you have to admit that both Ann and Laura are kind of homely. Note that I didn't say the were stupid. Ann has made a small fortune off of conservatism. Nothing stupid about that. She may have a horse face, but considering how she has milked money for her books from her fellow right wingers, I will admit she must be a smart cookie.

Actually some of the info babes on Fox (now don't be offended, I got that term from the Republican icon and drug addict Rush) are pretty hot looking. And how about that disgraced woman from California who got her crown taken away from her because she violated her contract, she was pretty good looking too.

No spin here, I just call them like I see them. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:18 PM:

" " The Lothario of the Argentine, Gov. Sanford, now says he should not resign because King David didn't.
I swear you cannot make this stuff up.

Looks like he's playing the religion card, TQ. What the heck, it worked for Bush jr. Remember what Bush said when asked who was his favorite philosopher? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:38 PM:

" I haven't heard you denounce the 1915 Armenian genocide, have I, Reddy? WHY NOT? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? "

And how about all those native Americans our goverment wiped out with small pox? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:42 PM:

" Samuel "Joe" Wurzelbacher, better known as "Joe the Plumber," has had his fifteen minutes of fame during the 2008 election and was widely expected to disappear when the candidate who brought him into the spotlight lost. But he's still a star in conservative circles -- and still saying some odd, hostile things. At an event Thursday for the Wisconsin chapter of Americans for Prosperity (one of the lead organizations behind the Tax Day Tea Parties), Wurzelbacher suggested Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) should be lynched.

Wurzelbacher has a reputation for being a blunt, politically incorrect speaker. Referring to Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., more than once, Wurzelbacher asked, "Why hasn't he been strung up?"
Wurzelbacher appeared at a Tea Party in Michigan on April 15, where he claimed that he and other protesters were wrong labeled as extremists.
Huffington post-

Ten to one Joe the fake plumber is a big Bill O'Reilly fan. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:46 PM:

" Dedicated to my friend Martha AKA red,white,blue:

"Well, according to a new post-election survey, people want Sarah Palin to run for president in 2012. It says she's been getting thousands of calls from people pleading with her to run, all Democrats." --Jay Leno "

The Question wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:55 PM:

" What the heck, it worked for Bush jr. Remember what Bush said when asked who was his favorite philosopher?
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Yes, he was asked to name his favorite political philosopher, and he couldn't think of any, of course. So he said, "Jesus Christ!" and grinned like a little ape who's performed his circus trick. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 PM:

" Oh my: Obama drafts executive order to detain terrorists indefinitely without trial

Ahem. Do bear in mind that evidence against said terrorists was obtained through torture. And other evidence is either classified or was obtained from foreign intel.

Point 1) taking sole responsibility via an executive order pits
Obama squarely against the ACLU crowd and opens him up to charges of being too Bush-like.

Point 2) the constitutionality of indefinite detention will be jeopardized by not having congressional backing

Now then, let's hear the gnashing of teeth and the wailing cries of "jackbooted-fascist-regime tactics" and the always popular "shredding the constitution" from the bleeding-hearts-club cheerleaders in here.

We're waiting now; TQ, Harry Potter, and Father Bob.

Go ahead now, let's hear you bash Barrack Obama the same way you bashed Bush. There's no reason not to now is there. "

cedric66 wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:18 AM:

" anyone have any good republican Fannie Mae-Freddie Mack propaganda?

Better watch out FB BARNEY FRANK is looking for you!!! "

cedric66 wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:12 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:18 PM:

" " The Lothario of the Argentine, Gov. Sanford, now says he should not resign because King David didn't.
I swear you cannot make this stuff up.

Looks like he's playing the religion card, TQ. What the heck, it worked for Bush jr. Remember what Bush said when asked who was his favorite philosopher? "

And what would "Bongo Ears" say?
Probably "Praise be to ALLAH "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:31 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 26, 2009 8:14 AM:
" Does the name Kennedy ring a bell? "

Yes it does jr, and I would note there were a lot of rumors floating around about Bush Sr, while serving as VP, at one time. I'll see if I can dig up something on it.

As you said they are rumors, with no facts as those with Sanford and Clinton. I do not go with rumors, but facts from different sources not just one.
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It's also a well established fact the the last GOP candidate for president was romantically involved with another woman while still married to his first wife.

That is true, but it was before he representing the people of the United States.

In office January 3, 1983 January 3, 1987 - Wikipedia

John and Carol formally separated in January 1980. He requested a divorce from Shepp on Feb. 19, 1980 - FactCheck.com

I am not saying he did nothing wrong, on the contrary, but who has not done wrong. When a man/woman is a representative of the people of the United States they need to keep "cleaner" then the next guy. Your quote by Kissinger is one reason why I am for term limits for Senators and Representatives. If the Government is meant to be checks and balances, why then is the President limited on terms, but Congress is not? I was glad to see you finally agree that both parties have their "problems". That neither party is perfect.
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"...Having said that, I will acknowledge that I have defended him when lies were told about him, such as the story that goes around that he had the opportunity to get OBL but passed on it. There is ample evidence that disputes that claim."

President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year. I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities - Mansoor Ijaz, Los Angeles Times.

a Feb. 2002 speech to a New York business group, Mr. Clinton detailed the episode, explaining: "We'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America." - NewsMax.com

Clinton himself, according to one Washington source, has described the refusal to accept the first of the offers as "the biggest mistake" of his presidency. - The Sunday Times 1/06/2002

Here are some evidence examples for you to ponder. I am not like some of those on the extreme, "nut" side of the right that say he knew 9/11 was going to happen. I believe if he actually thought something like that was going to happen he would have did something. I mean really who would not have done something if they could have. He messed up, a admitted it as a mistake. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:37 AM:

" Right wing talker Michael Savage vowed yesterday during his broadcast that he will retaliate against media watchdog Media Matters for America by posting pictures and pertinent information about the organizations staff on his website.

Also from the article on Savage:
father bob wrote on Jun 26, 2009 9:39 AM:
The history of right wing extremists using wanted posters against abortion providers is well documented. Recently the right wing Christian group the American Center for Law and Justice celebrated its court victory for the truth truck that promoted incendiary attacks on Dr. George Tiller. Sadly two days later Tiller was dead, assassinated in his place of worship. "

Savage is not on the right. He is an extreme hater, who promotes violence, and hatred. I work with a guy like him a that believes that the right is always right. Well guess what they're not. Both sides, especially in the last couple decades, have been wrong more then right. It seems like every time one of them gets the power they mess it up. Term limits for Congress people, that is what we need. So fatherbob I would appreciate it if you would place that, and I use them term loosely, man in his own twisted category. Thank you. "

The Question wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Right-wing spokesman Ann Coulter told her Fox News zombie audience that she didn't regard Dr. Tiller's execution as a murder.
It was terminating Tiller," Coulter said. "I am personally opposed to shooting abortionists, but I dont want to impose my moral values on others." "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Sarahcuda goes to overseas to talk to the troops. Why? More photo ops for the queen of the tundra. What is even more hilarious is she poked fun at someones physical features. Maybe John Kerry should hold a press conference to condemn her for mocking peoples physical features.

Once again Sarah proves that you don't have to come from the south to come across as a ignorant redneck hillbilly.

What an embarrassment for the once proud GOP. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 27, 2009 11:42 AM:

" Both Sen. Ensign and Gov. Sanford confessed to extramarital affairs, leaving the GOP presidential field in doubt.

Add Nevada Sen. John Ensign's and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's extramarital affairs to Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's unconvincing TV speech and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's family dramas, and the Republican presidential herd is thinning fast -- leaving many to wonder who will lead the party in its attempt to reclaim the White House.
Fox news-

Palin's family dramas? Well, that's a nice way to put it. While Sarahcuda is out traipsing all over the country giving her whiny little I'm a victim talks, her dysfunctional brood continues to carry on. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:13 PM:

" Minnesota Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann, following Rush Limbaugh's cue, suggested on Tuesday that President Obama was to blame for the swine flu crisis. She went even farther than the talk show host, implying that swine flu epidemics are a Democratic phenomenon that dates back to President Carter.

"I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out then under another Democrat president Jimmy Carter. And I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence."

Unfortunately, Bachmann's facts are a little off. As Glenn Thrush notes, Republican President Gerald Ford, not Carter, led the country during the last outbreak of the virus.
Huffington post-

Here's an idea, how about Bachmann for the GOP nomination? Have a mud wrestling contest between her and Sarahcuda to see who has to settle for the VP slot. Joe the fake plumber could referee. A lot of folks would pay hard earned money to watch that. I know our friend Martha would. Right Marty? lol! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 27, 2009 1:01 PM:

" June 26 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Senate proposal to impose taxes for the first time on gold-plated health plans may BYPASS generous employee BENEFITS negotiated by UNIONS.

The exception, which could make the proposal more politically palatable to Democrats from heavily unionized states such as Michigan, is adding controversy to an already contentious debate.

It would SHIELD THE 12.4% OF AMERICAN WORKERS WHO BELONG TO UNIONS FROM BEING TAXED while exposing some other middle-income workers to the levy.

I cant think of any other aspect of the individual income tax that treats benefits of different people differently because of who they work for, said Chris Edwards, director of tax policy studies at the Cato Institute, a Washington research group that often criticizes Democrats economic proposals. Edwards said the carve-out smacks of political favoritism.

OBAMULISM AT WORK!

ALL HAIL MAGNIFICANT LEADER OBAMA WHO IS ABOVE ANY AND ALL REPROACH!

ALL HAIL THE OBAMULIST PARTY! "

Bps wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:52 PM:

" President Obama on HIS Stimulus bill- "I believe that legislation of this enormous magnitude, that by necessity we are moving quickly -- we're not moving quickly because we're trying to jamb something down people's throats. We're moving quickly because we're told that if we don't move quickly, that the economy is going keep on getting worse, and we'll have another 2 or 3 or 4 million jobs loss this year."

WRONG SIR!

His actions have resulted in the largest transfer of wealth from the populace to a handful of well connected elite bankers and special interest supporters.

More money has been transferred to the finance capital class by this administration than at any time in planetary history.

But as to his claim for job creation he is either a liar or is being advised by very poor economists.

Want some real world proof it was not a jobs bill?

Large-scale lay-offs in the U.S. (defined as lay-offs of 50 or greater at one time) hit the highest level since this statistic was created in 1995, according to an article from CNN.

This is yet another indication that the U.S. economy is plummeting downward with absolutely no signs of stability, let alone a recovery.

Current Unemployment:

From the Governments own site:
U-6 Total unemployed- May 2009- 16.4%

NOW HE IS USING THE SAME LIE AGAIN:

President Obama on the Democrats malignant cap and trade bill- (from President Obamas weekly radio and video address today to praise an energy overhaul bill narrowly passed by the House of Representatives):

"Make no mistake: this is a jobs bill," Obama said in the address.

WRONG AGAIN SIR!

The whole purpose of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less and for tax revenues.

These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars.

Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment.

Instead of paying his new tax game, some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.

In only six months they had made a bad situation into an economic disaster!

At their current pace of destruction we will soon start approaching becoming a third world nation- Poverty, No Jobs, No Energy and No Freedom.

My God, what else do they have planned for us between now and 2010? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:55 PM:

" I am not like some of those on the extreme, "nut" side of the right...

No jr, I would never put you in that class. Unlike some of the other conservatives, who post nonsense like Obama is a Muslim and the harassing guy, you always present your ideas with civility.

I enjoy reading your posts, even when I don't agree with you. I've posted this before, Barry Goldwater and Hubert Humphrey were very close personal friends. The same goes for Ted Kennedy and Orin Hatch. Politics should never come in the way of personal friendships. I suspect you have some liberal friends too.

PS, I disagree with you on Michael Savage not being on the right. He's not on the left or the middle, so what's that leave.

I guess he's the price we pay for freedom of speech.

True he is an evil man but I can't see your argument about him not being a right winger. He is, to the extreme. There are evil and crazy people from all political persuasions. This guy just represents the extreme right, so perhaps he does deserve to be in a class of his own. lol!. "

The Question wrote on Jun 28, 2009 7:01 AM:

" Savage is not on the right. He is an extreme hater, who promotes violence, and hatred.
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Savage, whose real name is Wiener, is not merely "on the right," jr. He is a national right-wing media spokesman! The right-wing road is one that always winds to fascism if you travel along it far enough. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 28, 2009 8:20 AM:

" Clayton, Georgia (The Weekly Vice) -- Mark Musselwhite, 43 and a former Mayor of Gainesville, Georgia, was arrested last weekend after witnesses at a campground reported a "naked man" walking. When park rangers arrived on scene, they found Musselwhite sitting nude in a chair - wondering what he was doing wrong.

Good grief, yet another Republican goes down in scandal.....At the rate of GOP scandals, old Sarahcuda may get the nomination by default. She may be all they have left for 2012. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 28, 2009 12:39 PM:

" Dear Mr. Potter: along with your various posts showing us your obsession with Sarah Palin....

Now come on reddy, I'm sure you meant to comment about Neo Academician and Sybil X's obsession and derogatory comments about our president too. You surely meant to do that, but I'm sure your omission of that was an oversight on your part. Surely you don't endorse such behavior. Perhaps you need to come back on here and point that out. I'll be watching for it, but I won't hold my breath. LOL!.

And did you hear the one about Sarah's...never mind, I tell it to you later. "

father bob wrote on Jun 28, 2009 5:42 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Sarahcuda goes to overseas to talk to the troops. Why? More photo ops for the queen of the tundra. What is even more hilarious is she poked fun at someones physical features.""""

hey HP do you 'spose that'll be on the taxpayer's dime? i'm sure there's some sort of official alaskan state business envolved that deems she travels to see the troops....like taking moose burgers and turkey sandwiches.. "

The Question wrote on Jun 28, 2009 5:48 PM:

" Fox News has, with extreme predictability, blamed Gov. Sanford's South American sex romp on "the media."
That's in the GOP/Fox News handbook. When a Republican such as Sanford gets into trouble, put the blame on the news media for daring to report the story. But when it's a Democrat caught with his pants down, then it's bombs away "moral outrage" for several days or weeks. "

father bob wrote on Jun 28, 2009 5:49 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 27, 2009 1:01 PM:

"It would SHIELD THE 12.4% OF AMERICAN WORKERS WHO BELONG TO UNIONS FROM BEING TAXED while exposing some other middle-income workers to the levy.""""

so you are against union contract negotiations? "

father bob wrote on Jun 28, 2009 5:53 PM:

" neo, i'm surprised you're not mounring the death of the space alien pedophile, and too distressed to post on some blog. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 28, 2009 8:38 PM:

" Amitai Etzioni Author of Security First:

Republicans have been criticizing President Obama for not having been more outspoken in support of the masses in the streets of Iran. They choose to ignore what happened when Republican presidents encouraged the rising of the Shia in southern Iraq in 1991 and, indirectly, of Hungarians in that country in 1956. In both cases the people involved assumed that the United States would come to their rescue and instead were slaughtered en masse by Saddam in Iraq and by the Soviet forces in Hungary.

Now the Republicans cry "The president of the United States is supposed to lead the free world, not follow it...He's been timid and passive more than I would like," (Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C.). And, "[Obama] needs to speak to the people of Iran, the people of the Middle East, and he has to make a forceful statement on behalf of the people on the streets for freedom and democracy," (Rep. Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich.). They disregard, in their desperate quest to find a political foothold that even if the president did listen to them and his words did not lead to even more bloodshed, he surely would discredit the uprising in the eyes of many Iranians who are suspicious of Western intentions, for some very good reasons.

The GOP should learn the difference between a loyal opposition that raises serious objections in a sensible manner--and a crazed one that is foaming at the mouth, and feels free to endanger masses of good people, of freedom fighters. This is especially true in dealing with foreign policy, where the stakes are so high, grandstanding is particularly shameful, and hardly a way to win points for the next election.

Amen! "

father bob wrote on Jun 29, 2009 12:18 PM:

" The GOP should learn the difference between a loyal opposition that raises serious objections in a sensible manner--and a crazed one that is foaming at the mouth, and feels free to endanger masses of good people, of freedom fighters. This is especially true in dealing with foreign policy, where the stakes are so high, grandstanding is particularly shameful, and hardly a way to win points for the next election.""""

all the GOP knows is bully pulpit politics, violence, arrogance and hatred of free thinking, creative intelligence. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:39 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:55 PM:

PS, I disagree with you on Michael Savage not being on the right. He's not on the left or the middle, so what's that leave.

I guess he's the price we pay for freedom of speech.

True he is an evil man but I can't see your argument about him not being a right winger. He is, to the extreme. There are evil and crazy people from all political persuasions. This guy just represents the extreme right, so perhaps he does deserve to be in a class of his own. lol!. "

That was my point. He is so to the right that he is beyond the right. Like those that are so far left that say, no one on the left has ever done anything wrong. He is one of those that starts out sentences with derogatory remarks. He is truly in a class all his own. In fact years ago I would not have, but anymore I would even put Rush close to that category. As I have said before, "Anyone who thinks their party never messes up lives in a fantasy land." They are all human. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:43 AM:

" father bob wrote on Jun 28, 2009 5:42 PM:
" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Sarahcuda goes to overseas to talk to the troops. Why? More photo ops for the queen of the tundra. What is even more hilarious is she poked fun at someones physical features.""""

hey HP do you 'spose that'll be on the taxpayer's dime? i'm sure there's some sort of official alaskan state business envolved that deems she travels to see the troops....like taking moose burgers and turkey sandwiches.. "

Or like visit those fighting men and women who are from her home state. When was the last time Durbin did? When was the last time he went to a fallen soldiers funeral? When was the last time Durbin did anything for Illinois that didn't have to do with Chicago? He is for FutureGen, and look how much that has cost us, without anything to show for it. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:49 AM:

" The Question wrote on Jun 28, 2009 7:01 AM:
" Savage is not on the right. He is an extreme hater, who promotes violence, and hatred.
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Savage, whose real name is Wiener, is not merely "on the right," jr. He is a national right-wing media spokesman! The right-wing road is one that always winds to fascism if you travel along it far enough. "

I would have to disagree, his is not the spokesman for the right. You my friend are one of whom I am speaking of. One who can see the forest for the trees. You are one who believes your party never does wrong, but the others are always wrong. Hate to break it to you but they all have their faults. Your comments, "The right-wing road is one that always winds to fascism if you travel along it far enough.", is the same as me saying the left-wing road leads to total Socialism. Neither is true, because the American people would never let it happen. Mr Savage, used loosely, is to far gone to be either left or right. He is in that special area with all the nut cases. He is one of those who really does not care about the country, but speaks to his "followers" to sell books. "

jrhendren wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:51 AM:

" father bob wrote on Jun 29, 2009 12:18 PM:

all the GOP knows is bully pulpit politics, violence, arrogance and hatred of free thinking, creative intelligence. "

Harry here is a prime example of a person on the left that is so far gone they are in a class of their own. The man comments on what others post with no rational thinking himself. Even then it is nothing but derogatory about the Republicans, while he believes President Obama to be perfect. "

father bob wrote on Jul 1, 2009 4:07 PM:

" and now it's here in this country....

Some 12,300 people have died across Mexico in a three-way war between rival cartels and the military since President Felipe Calderon sent thousands of troops to try to crush the cartels on taking office in December 2006.

The carnage of tortured bodies, beheadings and abductions stretches from Mexico's Caribbean to its desert border with the United States and has become a major concern for investors and Washington, worried that violence is overwhelming the country. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 1, 2009 7:39 PM:

" Harry here is a prime example of a person on the left that is so far gone they are in a class of their own. The man comments on what others post with no rational thinking himself. Even then it is nothing but derogatory about the Republicans, while he believes President Obama to be perfect.

The same could be said for some on the right who post on here, jr.

Do those from the right side, that basically do the same thing, offend you as fb seems to?

I think the problem that so many on here have with both fb and TQ is that those they offend with their in your face style is that they don't have an answer for their comments. Easier to call them names than to dispute their comments. Very rarely do you see anyone dispute what they say. The usual response to fb and TQ is to attack them personally. "

jrhendren wrote on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 1, 2009 7:39 PM:
The same could be said for some on the right who post on here, jr.

Do those from the right side, that basically do the same thing, offend you as fb seems to?

I think the problem that so many on here have with both fb and TQ is that those they offend with their in your face style is that they don't have an answer for their comments. Easier to call them names than to dispute their comments. Very rarely do you see anyone dispute what they say. The usual response to fb and TQ is to attack them personally. "

I could not agree with you more. Their are those who post on here that believe those on the right do no wrong either. I have disagreed with them also, and said so. I try not to, though sometimes do fall into it, of making personal attacks. However, I will defend myself and my position. TQ for the most part has a point and makes some valid points to his position. FB on the other hand tends to just agree with others posts. That is where I have the problem. I have never, to my knowledge, called them anything but by their posted name. I get called a "thumper", "right-wing nut", and other such personal attacks. I am not offended with for instance. me and TQ where commenting to each other about the Iraq pull out. Even though I do not agree with his comments I have respect for him in that he stands by his position. Even though he is wrong, sorry cheap shot. That is the thing, whether you agree or not on a topic why the rude remarks about the other. The personal attacks do nothing but show childishness, and take away from the persons credibility. "

Rodney Smith wrote on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 AM:

" Please note that the opinions made by Mr. Searles on Bankruptcy law are incorrect. As a bankrupcty attorney, I have handled well over a thousand bankrupuptcy cases, and our firm handles the majority of cases in the area. I am not going to get into the politics of Mr. Searles statement, but the main premise of his letter is totally incorrect. This was a Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and there are very different rules for a Chapter 11 compared to a Chapter 7 bankruptcy. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Jul 2, 2009 5:27 PM:

" * obamulism: if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullpoop * if that doesn't work get an attorney * "

jrussell wrote on Jul 2, 2009 10:18 PM:

" obama is already on my !@#$ list lol for this new smoking ban, how ridiculous to say that cigarettes are the only thing tempting and killing people, flavored alcohol tempts teens as much as flavored cigarettes, the leading cause of death in people ages 15-24 is alcohol related car crashes, DUH OBAMA "

father bob wrote on Jul 3, 2009 3:03 PM:

" seems jr has his panties in a bunch because i commented on your post Harry....

i think he just likes to whine.... "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Jul 4, 2009 9:17 AM:

" * obamulism: when you can't hack it, buddy up with another liberal * two heads are better than one * "

father bob wrote on Jul 4, 2009 11:53 AM:

" care for a little cheese jr? "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Jul 4, 2009 6:55 PM:

" * obamulism: when you can't hack it, resort to eight year old tactics * the fine art of liberalism * "

DOHBAUGH wrote on Jul 10, 2009 8:43 AM:

" " Obamulism - Having or posessing "no desire to engage in conversation" contrary in opinion to GROUPTHINK dogma "

How about that Harry. I figured the system out. Pretty smart, aren't I? hee hee "

jrhendren wrote on Jul 14, 2009 12:15 AM:

" father bob wrote on Jul 4, 2009 11:53 AM:
" care for a little cheese jr? "

Not at all. I was just merely pointing out how you seem to have a problem coming up with any thoughts of your own, and when you do they are usually just one line insults of people. Just a simple observation. "