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Tuesday, June 2, 2009 7:49 PM CDT
LETTER: It's amazing to see letters critical of Obama

SARAH HILL, Charleston

It has occurred to me of late, much of the local news is utterly stupendous and truly enjoy that and receiving the grocery ads each week, which is helpful to me as a consumer to get the lowest prices on food and other various, sundry items too numerous to mention here.

America is going through a very tough time, (financially as well as spiritually) and it amazes and disappoints me to find so many letters defaming and being harshly critical of our young, brilliant, multi-cultured and certainly benevolent President Obama. It is a lonely position, I would like to mention first off, and I think he is very correct and enterprising 75 percent of the time. But must you print every single instance in which you disagree with Mr. Obama? As in the debacle over whether or not he should speak at a major university when invited to do so, I say rubbish to that noise. The ultra-conservative right has no right to encroach on our freedoms in this manner! He has an impossible task ahead of him and to be continually printing rubbish does our country a dishonor, to say the least. Mr. Obama does a fine job and is not going to be right 100 percent of the time.

But give him a break. He is trying to give us health care that every civilized country in the world has had for more years then I care to think about. There has been at least two times during this year I decided to eat instead of buy medicine which was too expensive for me to buy.

I have read that part of the medical establishment agrees with this valid viewpoint. If those nay-sayers do not like a free and independent democratic country in which to raise the future generation, let them move to some country controlled by dictators where there is no choice at all. Plus, I approve of what he is doing for education and trying hard to secure jobs for our people here at home. Have you forgotten who began the outsourcing of jobs to other countries? President Reagan. That decision alone, almost ruined our country.

It will take time to turn back the clock of course, but how about some positive feedback for a change?

With much respect, a grandmother who has an unemployed son who is returning to school to provide for his family.

SARAH HILL

Charleston

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Tom Andres wrote on May 27, 2009 10:43 PM:

" Holy Cow!! No wonder the messiah got elected! Now I understand. Im betting that November was the month Sarah decided to go off her meds and eat. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 28, 2009 5:59 AM:

" There are a lot of folks pretty bitter about the last election, Sarah.

I even heard their leader whining about how Obama will get the credit when the economy turns around. I think some are even praying for Obama's failure. "

The Question wrote on May 28, 2009 6:09 AM:

" Well said. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 28, 2009 7:39 AM:

" Looks like our friend Tom was the first to prove my point. Thanks Tom. "

Tom Andres wrote on May 28, 2009 9:29 AM:

" Agh, Harry, you got me so upset with that last comment that I posted this one on the wrong website. Here's a copy of what I posted (in error - forgot to switch back to this letter) on the Bauer string:

Harry, last I heard (although elected politicians and the Supreme Courts of all stripes, in their attempts to move all power to the federal level, have tried their best to repeal it), the First Amendment is still on the books. Even though you may not agree with my opinion, Im certain you would defend my right to express it.

As I said on the Bauer letter string, I sincerely believe Obama is a socialist and is on a path to destroy this nation as we know it. I dont trust him, and I will fight against his agenda until hes out of office. He and his administration are well on their way to stealing our of-the-people-government away from us.

Heres an example of how this works. Imagine the new federally-owned GM makes a poorly engineered Ford Pinto type car at some point in the near future. Now lets say you are killed in a fiery crash in one of these unsafe cars. Since the feds own the car company, will your surviving family members be able to successfully sue the feds? One word answer: NO! "

M wrote on May 28, 2009 10:21 AM:

" Well, I feel sorry that Sarah has had to choose between eating or getting medicine and even with that in mind, I still think Tom's post was very funny.
Sarah is confused when she states that by having national health care we will have more choices. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 28, 2009 11:08 AM:

" Agh, Harry, you got me so upset with that last comment that I posted this one on the wrong website. Here's a copy of what I posted (in error - forgot to switch back to this letter) on the Bauer string:

That's OK Tom, I'll forgive you this time, especially since I made a similar error this morning.

Your comments about partisanship reminded me of a situation that happened to me many long years ago. I was working in a drug store and going to EIU, and the man I worked for was a very hard nosed Republican. Upon getting to work on election day, he asked me if I had voted yet. I responded of course. He they said I suppose you voted for every damn Democrat on the ballot. I told him no and that I had actually voted for a Republican. His eyes lit up and he asked me which one. I said Chuck Percy. He huffed and puffed and said "Hell he's no better than a damn Democrat".

We had some great times arguing politics and even though we held totally different views on politics, we both had a mutual respect for each other. When it came time to pass out Christmas bonuses a few weeks later, he told me to wait until I left the store to open mine. I was young and naive and didn't get it, but my surprise, he had given me the same amount he gave all the registered pharmacists. I truly loved that man, and when it was time for me to move on with my life it wasn't easy leaving his employment. On my last day there, as I turned around to wave good bye, I saw him wiping his eyes with a handkerchief, so I guess he was going to miss me too.

I once read where Barry Goldwater and Hubert Humphrey were the best of friends. Politics should not come between friends. "

medic57 wrote on May 28, 2009 1:11 PM:

" M wrote on May 28, 2009 10:21 AM:

Well, I feel sorry that Sarah has had to choose between eating or getting medicine.

I have had to do that a few times in the past. Now I get my most expensive medicines for free from the companies that make it. How do I do this?

I ask.

Yes, it's a lot of paperwork, but well worth it when you need hundreds of dollars worth of medicine and can't afford it. It's all a matter of 2 things, needing it, and asking for it. "

oldschool wrote on May 28, 2009 1:18 PM:

" OMG....

OMG....

OMG.....

Our educational system is offically broken. "

Danny Boy wrote on May 28, 2009 3:41 PM:

" We got in to this mess with 8 years of President Cheney, and his Puppet, George Bush, now it's all Obama's fault, get real folks. The Republicans have always been for rich white americans. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 28, 2009 3:42 PM:

" Our educational system is offically broken. "

How would you know, apparently you never took part in it, at least the part where you learned to spell. Sorry oldschool, I couldn't help myself. You have to admit it's pretty funny that you made that comment about the educational system being broken and then made a glaring spelling error. And before you say it, I make my share of errors on here too. lol! "

M wrote on May 28, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Very creative, Medic. I am happy that you are able to get them. "

oldschool wrote on May 28, 2009 7:41 PM:

" Me bad,....was in a hurry.

I teared up a bit regarding your post "

wazafarmer wrote on May 29, 2009 8:40 AM:

" Too much criticism?? Huh?? Give me a break! Were he the typical white (rather than 1/2 white), Anglo-Saxon, protestant male, that the media is accustomed to dealing with, the media would be doing their obligatory anal examination of Obama!

Instead, he gets a pass. About the only criticism he gets is based in humor. Legitimate, mostly white news people hold back because they don't want to risk being labeled "racist" by the likes of Al Sharpton. "

Texas T wrote on May 29, 2009 10:34 AM:

" Aarrgghh!!! To many points to argue. Sarah, next time you have to choose between your meds and food, stop by the Catholic Charities and they will give you some food. That way you won't have to make that choice. No one ever has to go hungry when there are churches of any kind in your town. God Bless them ALL. "

just wondering wrote on May 29, 2009 11:26 AM:

" The people who criticize Obama must have learned it from people like the question, harry potter, father bob and that bunch. We watched them the last few years and we figured that is how you are supposed to talk about the president. Saw a bumper sticker that said, I will show your president the same respect you showed mine. "

Jim1969 wrote on May 29, 2009 11:36 AM:

" This letter seems to really say: Give me what I think I need and I don't care what else he or they do. "

unknownjoe wrote on May 29, 2009 10:26 PM:

" Sarah, next time you need food, leave a post on here that you need food. I will gladly give you some, through a third party if wish, but dont ever go without your medicine. It also works better when you are eating. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 30, 2009 6:02 AM:

" Once again the official head of the RNC, Michael Steele, publicly disagrees with the symbolic head of the party, Limbaugh and the presidential wannabe Gingrich. This time it's over Obama's choice for the Supreme court. Steele said we should be glad for the diversity she brings to the court, while Limbaugh compares her to the former head of the KKK, and Gingrich chimes in with calling her an out and out racist. Is another groveling apology forthcoming from Steele for having the audacity to publicly disagree with Limbaugh?

I think Limbaugh and Gingrich are showing their stupidity in that so many Hispanics are deserting the GOP now, and it would seem that their words are sure to speed up that exodus.

Not so smart move on the part of Rush and Newt...

Cheney shoots his friend in the head and Limbaugh and Gingrich apparently shoot themselves in the foot.

All the while the GOP continues to sink into oblivion. "

kamfong wrote on May 30, 2009 6:52 AM:

" Unknown Joe that was very thoughtful of you,I wish more people were that considerate of others. "

EZ wrote on May 30, 2009 7:40 AM:

" I think you only need a little patience Sara. Consider this, in four short months the US Government is already in the Banking business, and the auto industry.
The Prezs press conferences are pretty well controlled so that only Obama friendly questions are asked. (None of those pesky hard core questions like Bush was confronted with) See what the administration has learned already? So the next step, if we could only get that pesky Rush to shut up and the Fox news networkWow if they would only quit telling the truth. Well anyway once that is accomplished the media print will be pretty easy to control. Next Government controlled health care, share the wealth, no government accountability Wow! I can hardly wait. Why it would be just like living in paradise. or is that China or Russia or..
Another plus the ammo shortage will be of no consequence once I turn my guns in.
I dont believe we need guns in Utopia. "

Collatine wrote on May 30, 2009 10:01 AM:

" "He's trying to give us healthcare..." That's not his job. Let me say it again: it's not the President's job to "give us healthcare." His job is to defend the Constitution, execute the laws Congress passes, and defend us from enemies.

But you know what? The entire premise that the government doesn't provide healthcare is false. My daughter needs hearing aids, which will cost me $4000, because my health insurance considers it an elective. However, if I were on government insurance (Public Aid), they'd be FREE - or rather, paid for by taxpayers. So don't spout this line that there isn't healthcare for the poor. It's there, and it's better than my Blue Cross care... (except that the gov't takes about 9 months to pay the providers). And you know what? I don't WANT the government to pay for my daughter's hearing aids. My family will find a way to pay for them outright, even if I have to take another job. My daughter is worth it; and I don't want the government to choose for me, to put me in position of servitude or gratitude. I can handle it myself, thank you very much.

As for outsourcing of jobs, that line is so overused. You realize the number 1 manufacturing nation in the world is... the United States. Still. We continue to import as many or more jobs that are outsourced.

You give the President far too much credit. President Reagan did not outsource jobs. He was the President: he executed laws the Democratic Congress passed, defended the Constitution, and us. The President is not a dictator, and does not control companies or corporate hiring practices... well, ok, Obama does, but he's the first president to usurp that kind of power. "

M wrote on May 30, 2009 11:42 AM:

" "Cheney shoots his friend in the head and Limbaugh and Gingrich apparently shoot themselves in the foot."
Good one, Potter! lol Comedian Lewis Black covering this one comes to mind. Absolutely hilarious!

EZ: Well said. "

shumphreys wrote on May 30, 2009 5:35 PM:

" Collatine the powers of the president has been a long and conflicting debate. Article II Section 3 ...and recommend to their consideration such mesaures as he shall judge necessary and expedient. It doesn't say necessary for what, the health of the nation, the benefit of her citizens? Health care could fit under either, so do public works projects (highways and bridges)...... "

EZ wrote on May 30, 2009 8:09 PM:

" Thank you M and Collatine if only more people had what you have. Pride, pride in oneself and making ones on way.
As far as criticizing Obama I havent seen near the bashing toward him as I have and still see about Bush.
Parties aside I tend to cote for the man and sometimes we dont have a great choice. I did not vote for Obama however he is my president and I hope he does well for the country. I just worry that we are going down a slippery slope toward socialism.
What this country needs is for our elected officials to get back to the basics, enact laws that bode well for the country not just a few in this group or that group to curry favor and reap votes or profit monetarily at the taxpayers expense. We need government to cut back on some of or all of their perks and special privileges for the elected and their ilk. Quit funding some this far out ridiculous research. In other word use a little common sense; spend tax dollars as if it were coming out of their pockets. "

lefty wrote on May 31, 2009 12:39 AM:

" Oh! There goes TOM ANDRES! Let us dissect his words of wisdom...

"I sincerely believe Obama is a socialist and is on a path to destroy this nation as we know it."

... love Obama or hate Obama, me thinks you haven't been paying attention to the last couple of decades of Presidents. They have all been doin a bang up job of roughin up the place. The moment a left of center black guy gets in there, wing-nuts like ANDRES are all of a sudden "convinced" this country is headin down the crapper.

"I dont trust him, and I will fight against his agenda until hes out of office."

No you wont. You will sit behind a laptop posting screeds on an online newspaper at a coffee shoppe eatin' muffins and listening to Limbaugh. That's really about all you're gonna do. That's not fightin', that's just gripin.

"He and his administration are well on their way to stealing our of-the-people-government away from us."

Oh, NOW TOM ANDRES is concerned! Took ya about 8 yrs, didn't it?

Oh, one more thing you said...

" Since the feds own the car company, will your surviving family members be able to successfully sue the feds?"

You're against lawsuits (pro-tort reform), so why do you care?

Oh TOM ANDRES, you're cute when you feign outrage. "

The Question wrote on May 31, 2009 11:46 AM:

" Lefty, when Tommy is slapped, he'll take it and like it. And thanks to you, he is well slapped. "

The Question wrote on May 31, 2009 11:53 AM:

" "Thank you M and Collatine if only more people had what you have. Pride, pride in oneself and making ones on way."
----
Yes. Next time you're in the convenience store buying lottery tickets to sustain your pipe dream of becoming a rich oinker, look at the cans with photos of the children who have some terrible illness and whose families have been bankrupted by the medical expenses. But don't put any of your hard-earned, captain-of-your-fate lottery cash into that can. Instead, just leave the family a note that says, "Too bad you don't have any pride, pride in yourself and making your own way. Losers!" "

The Question wrote on May 31, 2009 6:41 PM:

" Well, I see the fundamental Christian terrorists have struck again, this time in Kansas. Bill O'Reilly, who targeted Dr. Tiller ceaselessly for years, can take credit for this terrorist hit. "

people are grasping wrote on May 31, 2009 7:20 PM:

" HP--

What drug store? "

Harry Potter wrote on May 31, 2009 8:20 PM:

" What drug store? "

See if you can guess... "

Billie Brant wrote on May 31, 2009 9:57 PM:

" Bull on the Dr. Tiller comment TQ! I don't condone what some nut did to Dr(?) Tiller, but don't start with the accusations toward Christians. It may have been some fringe group or a single over zealous nutcase that did this.

As far as Dr Tiller is concerned, what he did by aborting these fully viable late term babies is despicable. These little ones could have lived. We are talking about babies ready to be born, not some blob of tissue as many like to speak of an unborn fetus.

What a peach of a guy he was! The Dr Tiller the baby killer name suited him.As far as O'Reilly pointing out the abominations this so called Dr performed, I say yes! "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 31, 2009 10:54 PM:

" The murder of Dr. Tiller was a tragic crime and an act of domestic terrorism.

I oppose all abortions, but I also pray for mercy and forgiveness for all those involved in the act: the mother, the father, the doctor, and the nurses.

The killer who ended Dr Tiller's life was guilty of the very same deceptive philosophy that the abortionists embrace; that murder is an appropriate means to an end.

May God have mercy on Dr Tiller's soul, and may God forgive his murderer. "

lefty wrote on Jun 1, 2009 12:45 AM:

" BILLIE BRANT, here is what I love about right-wing hypocrites like yourself.

1. You are content with painting ALL left of center people as socialists. In your world, Obama, Hugo Chavez, and lil' Billy running the local Young Democratic Club are all Marxists. So fine, we will play by your rules.

Tiller's murders was a Christian... YOU are a Christian... let's draw up the links...

Hey, don't get mad, these are YOUR rules!

2. Also, classy way to remember Tiller. I am glad that even though the man met a foul end, you couldn't practice some of that good 'ol Christian forgiveness. "

AnnaNiemaus wrote on Jun 1, 2009 6:31 AM:

" Billie Brant wrote on May 31, 2009 9:57 PM:
" As far as Dr Tiller is concerned, what he did by aborting these fully viable late term babies is despicable. These little ones could have lived. We are talking about babies ready to be born, not some blob of tissue as many like to speak of an unborn fetus.

What a peach of a guy he was! The Dr Tiller the baby killer name suited him.As far as O'Reilly pointing out the abominations this so called Dr performed, I say yes! "

Billy, you are one of the posters here I respect most, but I have to point this out:

Partial-birth abortions are already a non-elective procedure in the US. This means Dr. Tiller was only performing them to save the mother's life, or because the baby would die painfully at birth due to a severe disorder.

Situations like this, and the 9-year-old girl pregnant with twins because she was raped, are the reason I am anti-abortion but have to be pro-choice.

(The little girl would have died trying to carry twins in her tiny body.) "

The Question wrote on Jun 1, 2009 8:01 AM:

" So you people who make excuses for Dr. Tiller's murder support the use of terrorism as a tactic. Good to know. Let's not hear any more hypocritical cant out of you about what Middle Easterners do to achieve their ends. They're just as convinced as you anti-abortion types, and therefore just as "moral."" "

Billie Brant wrote on Jun 1, 2009 8:36 AM:

" Lefty- In no way do I paint all those that lean to the left as extremists.Those that are on the left side are not all freaks or nutcases. You know full well though they have their share of extremists as do we that support the right have ours. I no more support the extreme right than I do the extreme left. I am not lumping them all together as you seem to be doing by lumping all Christians as extremists as this "Christian(?)" who blew Dr. Tiller away seems to be.

Tiller's murderer does not get any sympathy from me. It was a horrible act and I DO NOT condone it as I said in my first post. I'll bet that the huge majority of us pro-lifers don't either. In fact some of the organized groups have already come out and said it was the wrong way to go.

Anna, You're one of the posters I respect also, but on this I have to disagree with you. The sad fact is the majority (if any)partial birth abortions Dr Tiller performed were not to save a womans life. No, they were because of "severe mental distress. How easy is that for someone to claim? Please! Thousands of abortions and severe mental distress is the reason? I just can not "swallow" that! IF in fact a mother's life WERE really in danger should she carry to term, I would go along with it as in the case of the little girl you mentioned. Those instances are very rare.

As far as Dr Tiller's soul and forgiveness Lefty, I sincerely hope he was forgiven by the "man upstairs" It's ultimately not up to me.

This hot button topic always stirs up deep emotional feelings from both sides. I firmly believe in saving the babies. That being said I TRY not to hurl insults at those who believe it's ok to abort them. I'm not always successful when my passion rises when the subject is being discussed, but I try anyway. "

father bob wrote on Jun 1, 2009 10:02 AM:

" Mary Dix....died in 1874.

an interesting article about botched abortions and the deaths involved.

http://tinyurl.com/m956p9 "

Becky wrote on Jun 1, 2009 10:26 AM:

" Let's go over this one more time kids....socialism is where the govt takes from the rich and spreads the wealth throughout society. Communism is where the state owns all industry and commerce and divides the profits equally to the workers. Corporatism is where the corporations and the govt join together to make up the rules that govern the citizens. Plutocracy is where only the top rich of society have any input to govt decisions. Now we can decide what we can call our esteemed government system. The last 2 best describes how DC is now ran. Put those 2 together and what do you have? Fascism! So, socialism and communism is not the correct terms. Republic sure as heck does not even come close anymore. Welcome to the new United Corporations of Amerika folks :) Pax Americana rules! "

lefty wrote on Jun 1, 2009 10:46 AM:

" Actually BILLIE BRANT, here is where people like you and TOM ANDRES are wrong... people on the left in America are NOT like some people on the right. Eventually they could be, the but the left movement in America is not violent. We have CLEARLY seen in recent years documented violent efforts by the American right (the shooting of an abortion doc and Timothy McVeigh come to mind).

Also, you say you don't condone the violence done against Tiller. Funny, in your sick world you spent th emajority of your post documenting how terrible of a person he was. Here, let's quote you...

"As far as Dr Tiller is concerned, what he did by aborting these fully viable late term babies is despicable. These little ones could have lived. We are talking about babies ready to be born, not some blob of tissue as many like to speak of an unborn fetus."

And continued...

"What a peach of a guy he was! The Dr Tiller the baby killer name suited him.As far as O'Reilly pointing out the abominations this so called Dr performed, I say yes!"

Hm... sounds like you are doing your best to justify how much of a scum bag you seem to thing he is. Classy.

I'm so glad you are into your false Christian redemption stuff. You would think you would turn the other cheek and realize he is with God now. Instead you judge and you judge.

You and TOM ANDRES are real classy people. "

The Question wrote on Jun 1, 2009 11:01 AM:

" I guess the feds were right to be concerned about right-wing Christian terrorists, eh? Are you right-wingers still quite so sure that "terrorists" should go to Gitmo forever without legal rights and be tortured? Maybe if we waterboarded a few Christian fanatic anti-abortion types, we could uncover a bombing plot and "save lives." That would make it all right, wouldn't it? "

Becky wrote on Jun 1, 2009 12:28 PM:

" Here's just ONE reason to be critical of Obama....

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/modern-version-of-animal-farm-or-rats-in-the-white-house/

The way these banks are getting their $6 billion bonanza is stone cold illegal.

I smell a rat.

Stevie the Rat, to be precise. Steven Rattner, Barack Obamas Car Czar the man who essentially ordered GM into bankruptcy this morning

Yet Citibank and Morgan, says Rattner, should get their whole enchilada $6 billion right now and in cash from a company that cant pay for auto parts or worker eye exams.

Obama's "change" seems to be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. "

Becky wrote on Jun 1, 2009 12:38 PM:

" Here's another reason Sarah,

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090530_is_larry_summers_taking_kickbacks_from_the_banks_hes_bailing_out/?ln

Is Larry Summers taking kickbacks from the banks hes bailing out?

Last month, a little-known company where Summers served on the board of directors received a $42 million investment from a group of investors, including three banks that Summers, Obamas effective economy czar, has been doling out billions in bailout money to: Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley. The banks invested into the small startup company Revolution Money, right at the time when Summers was administering the stress test to these same banks. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 1, 2009 1:40 PM:

" Maybe if we waterboarded a few Christian fanatic anti-abortion types, we could uncover a bombing plot and "save lives."

TQ, I have the perfect candidate for this, his initials are JV. lol! "

The Question wrote on Jun 1, 2009 2:29 PM:

" Hey, Harry, how about some warrantless wiretapping inside the church confessionals where they admit their crimes? That ought to catch some anti-abortion terrorists and "save lives," right?
And after all, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about. Isn't that what the Republicans here say when they're defending police-state spying on all Americans? "

Collatine wrote on Jun 1, 2009 2:48 PM:

" Susan, you confirm my point. The President recommends to Congress his agenda (in other words). And then he executes the laws the Congress passes, whether or not they're on his agenda.

Personally, I get very nervous when government officials start talking vastly expanding government power in the name of "The Public Good." It's a Pandora's Box.

While I wouldn't limit the powers of the President to the point of Andrew Jackson, I am extremely uncomfortable with the notion of the President taking over vast international industries... first the Banking industry, now GM, next health care? Yikes.

It makes far more sense to me that the Congress would mandate that states come up with programs to cover the uninsured, while helping to fund it. That way, states can compete with each other to form the best programs. In Illinois, uninsured children already receive all the care they need (and want) for free... and the General Assembly recently expanded the definition of children to ages 21 and under!

At any rate, it will be interesting to see what President comes up with. "

even steven wrote on Jun 1, 2009 3:09 PM:

" Another Obama toadie speaks, yet says nothing. How typical! Obama is Jimmy Carter round II... President Pantywaist. I'm sure wimps just love him. "

jukbx wrote on Jun 1, 2009 3:21 PM:

" What is amazing is to see all the news articles singing his praises. YUCK! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 1, 2009 3:23 PM:

" Isn't that what the Republicans here say when they're defending police-state spying on all Americans?

Absolutely right, TQ. Those are the same folks that are yelling to high heaven over Obama's spending. They turned a deaf ear to the strutting little Yale cheerleader when he did it though.

Funny when Bush was spending billions getting people killed, in a war that was sold on trumped up info, it was OK, but when Obama does it to try to save industries and jobs, it's suddenly "evil" Socialism.

They say this knowing that Obama has made it clear that these moves are temporary. Of course when they hear the obese radio pig say its the goverment taking ownership, they go bananas. His inference that it's permanent fits right into their hatred for the man.

Did you see where Fox news was having a hissy fit because Obama took his wife to a play and dinner in NYC? Their argument was that it set a bad example because of the current recession.

How many vacations did Bush take during his war? I guess that was OK.

And as you know, all the former Republicans on this site are now claiming Independent status now. lol! "

jukbx wrote on Jun 1, 2009 3:40 PM:

" HP

We're all just sick of hearing about his date nights. Who CARES! I don't recall any other president who had his date nights make the national news. By the way, when you're spending trillions (that's trillions, not billions) you might want to make date night a little closer to home. Let's say China! "

BW wrote on Jun 1, 2009 4:22 PM:

" jukbx-Maybe Obama's just not as lucky as one might assume and the date nights really are newsworthy. Quien sabe? "

The Question wrote on Jun 1, 2009 4:30 PM:

" Glad you asked, Harry. Even though Obama is not to be permitted to go out and relax one evening with his wife, Bush spent 487 days kicking back at Camp David, and another 490 days at his "ranch" in Texas during his alleged, purported presidency.
But then, everybody in America gets two and a half years' vacation every eight years, right? "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 1, 2009 5:01 PM:

" "Maybe if we waterboarded a few Christian fanatic anti-abortion types, we could uncover a bombing plot and "save lives."
-------

Obama would permit that, but only on foreign soil. President Obama prefers to contract torture out, beyond the reach of the American justice system.

"how about some warrantless wiretapping inside the church confessionals where they admit their crimes?"
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Again this would be plausible since Obama did indeed vote to expand warrantless wiretapping.

You know, it's getting more and more difficult to discern any significant differences between Obama and Bush. "

The Question wrote on Jun 1, 2009 5:06 PM:

" And don't worry about the government taking over "private enterprise" at GM. That's just a fancy way of saying the taxpayers are still bailing out the wealthy, incompetent, corrupt right-wing executives in the boardrooms. The taxpayers will see nothing but a dead loss out of their "investments" in this company and the parasite megabanks. But Obama had to do something, since Republican deregulated fraud wrecked the world economy. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 1, 2009 5:18 PM:

" BW wrote on Jun 1, 2009 4:22 PM:

" jukbx-Maybe Obama's just not as lucky as one might assume and the date nights really are newsworthy. Quien sabe?

Good point, BW. I heard his mother-in-law lives with them. That might not make it too conducive for...well you know. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 1, 2009 5:21 PM:

" jukbx wrote on Jun 1, 2009 3:40 PM:

" HP

We're all just sick of hearing about his date nights. Who CARES! I don't recall any other president who had his date nights make the national news. By the way, when you're spending trillions (that's trillions, not billions) you might want to make date night a little closer to home. Let's say China!

Oh my, it looks like some one watched Fox yesterday. They were railing about that too. Funny not a peep out of them for Bush's rediculous every other week vacations though.

It looks like a lot of folks indignation runs along party lines. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 1, 2009 7:28 PM:

" Heavens Obama took his wife out on a date, how scandalous, how outrageous, how ridiculous. What will they think of next to complain about (that is important and really matters) the color of his tie, the cut of his suit, they already tried criticizing the Mrs. dress and style (which bombed by the way). They just keep digging themselves in deeper and deeper. "

DONEdone wrote on Jun 1, 2009 8:30 PM:

" the abortions are not your choice, it is the choice of the person getting it. for all the religious people on here, i believe that it is self righteous to JUDGE a person for getting abortions. that goes directly against what the bible says about judging people "

The Question wrote on Jun 2, 2009 7:08 AM:

" Bill O'Reilly could have railed against abortion all he wanted without naming a particular name, over and over and over again, as the "baby killer" bullseye. O'Reilly is not legally responsible for Dr. Tiller's death, but he is morally responsible. "

jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 7:55 AM:

" DONEdone wrote on Jun 1, 2009 8:30 PM:

" the abortions are not your choice, it is the choice of the person getting it. for all the religious people on here, i believe that it is self righteous to JUDGE a person for getting abortions. that goes directly against what the bible says about judging people "

The bible also teaches us to hate the sin and love the sinner. Abortion is a sin and unless you've had one, you really don't know what you're talking about.

HP

Yes, Bush went to Camp David and HIS ranch. I'm sure during those 400 some days, he was on call! "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:00 AM:

" The Question wrote on Jun 2, 2009 7:08 AM:
" Bill O'Reilly could have railed against abortion all he wanted without naming a particular name, over and over and over again, as the "baby killer" bullseye. O'Reilly is not legally responsible for Dr. Tiller's death, but he is morally responsible."""""

ooops....TQ, your forget, Bill-o has no morals or scruples. "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:04 AM:

" great to see the religious right come out and condone a homicide.

"he got exactly what he deserved"...um... just one small minor detail.

the good doctor was performing LEGAL procedures. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:06 AM:

" In an interview with Fox News' Greta van Susteren, former Vice President Dick Cheney admitted that there is no evidence that Iraq was involved in the September 11th attacks.

"On the question of whether or not Iraq was involved in 9-11, there was never any evidence to prove that," he told the "On The Record" host in a joint interview with his daughter Liz. "There was "some reporting early on ... but that was never borne out," Cheney said.

Oh my! Don't look for Fox news to push this story.... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:25 AM:

" O'Reilly would only be morally responsible for Dr. Tiller's death, if he in fact were advocating Dr. Tiller's death, which he was not.

You're only attempting to cynically use this tragic crime to stifle legitimate dissent.
When you rail against the "crimes" of the U.S. are you morally responsible for the deaths of all the members of our Armed Forces currently engaged against our enemies?
According to your standard; yes, yes you are. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:51 AM:

" According to your standard, Question, your relentless criticisms of the U.S. military's "crimes" against the Muslim world, has made you morally responsible for the recent murder of a military recruiter and the critical injury of another at the hands of Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, a Muslim from Yemen. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Jukebx do you think Obama wasn't "on call" while he was on his date? What sort of a "dumb a--" statement was that? And Donedone does know what he/she is talking about. If a person chooses to have an abortion that is their business, if you choose not to have one that is your business. It is not for me or you or anyone to judge/condemn the decisions another person makes about their health care. It is within our jurisdiction to do all we can to support them with complete, full SEX education, FREE birth control, and safe medical services for whatever option they choose. "

jrussell wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:09 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:53 AM:

" Jukebx do you think Obama wasn't "on call" while he was on his date? What sort of a "dumb a--" statement was that?

...George Bush liked to hear the end of the story before he reported for duty after 9/11...think Obama would finish his supper first if we were attacked? lol "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:09 AM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 10:51 AM:
" According to your standard, Question, your relentless criticisms of the U.S. military's "crimes" against the Muslim world, has made you morally responsible for the recent murder of a military recruiter and the critical injury of another at the hands of Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, a Muslim from Yemen. """""

17 people were intentionally slaughtered by halliburton's christians from texas.... "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:14 AM:

" it's comical to see the neocons railing about an evening of culture, but think nothing of countless flights to texas by their rodeo clown. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:40 AM:

" "17 people were intentionally slaughtered by halliburton's christians from texas.... "
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So you are advocating the slaughter of Halliburton's Christian employees from Texas, or perhaps the murder of Bush and Cheney? Or was there an actual point to your statement? "

jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:58 AM:

" Hump,

Did I hit a nerve. All I said was that Bush was working on his "vacations", as they were called.

I beleive my post was that I was sick of hearing about Obamanations date nights and that since we're in a recession they might want to keep it a little low key.

As for the abortion comments, you might want to thank your mom for the pro life stance she took when she was pregnant with you. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 2, 2009 12:33 PM:

" Yes, Bush went to Camp David and HIS ranch. I'm sure during those 400 some days, he was on call! "

Yes, I'm sure he was, and so was Obama. The point is that the disgruntled Repubs, being prodded by Fox news and the radio wackos no doubt, made such a big deal out of a night on the town for Obama and his wife. Your side must be pretty desperate. "

jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 1:41 PM:

" HP,

Okay, well here's a little prodding (as you put it) from CBS.

Obama: Iran May Have Right To Nuke Energy

Sounds perfectly logical to me. "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:18 PM:

" jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:58 AM:
" As for the abortion comments, you might want to thank your mom for the pro life stance she took when she was pregnant with you. """""

you have a simple mind... "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:30 PM:

" 7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:40 AM:
" "17 people were intentionally slaughtered by halliburton's christians from texas.... "
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So you are advocating the slaughter of Halliburton's Christian employees from Texas, or perhaps the murder of Bush and Cheney? Or was there an actual point to your statement? """""

responding to the muslim references. not only muslims are murders. americans who are so called "christians" are just as bad and manage to go that extra step when it comes to violence. "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 2:33 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 2, 2009 12:33 PM:
" Yes, Bush went to Camp David and HIS ranch. I'm sure during those 400 some days, he was on call! "

Yes, I'm sure he was, and so was Obama. The point is that the disgruntled Repubs, being prodded by Fox news and the radio wackos no doubt, made such a big deal out of a night on the town for Obama and his wife. Your side must be pretty desperate. """"

the rodeo clown's antics don't matter HP. it's civilized culture that takes the hit with the uneducated neocons. "

jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:01 PM:

" Bob,

You're the simple minded one. To people like you who are pro choice killing a baby is like stepping on a cockroach......yuck, crush! What takes deep thought is seeing beyond yourself to the soul that is being killed. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:02 PM:

" "responding to the muslim references. not only muslims are murders. americans who are so called "christians" are just as bad and manage to go that extra step when it comes to violence."
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I never said, nor did I ever infer that "only Muslims" were murderers.

The point to my "Muslim" reference was that legitimate opposition is not necessarily responsible for the behavior of corrupt zealots.

You're not justifying the murder of the military recruiter are you? "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:25 PM:

" jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:01 PM:
" Bob,

You're the simple minded one. To people like you who are pro choice killing a baby is like stepping on a cockroach......yuck, crush! What takes deep thought is seeing beyond yourself to the soul that is being killed. """""

again....you are simple minded. my wife had an abortion after being beaten, raped and left for dead.

you have no idea of what you speak...just what sounds good to you. "

jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:48 PM:

" Bob,

Sorry to hear about your wife. Now she has to live with both the rape and the abortion.

I also had someone close to me who was raped, but had the baby. The baby was put up for adoption.

As a man you could never truly understand the long term effects of abortion, no matter what the reason. "

The Question wrote on Jun 2, 2009 4:15 PM:

" Joe Scarborough says, "The Republican Party needs to reform or die. President Bush did three things. He destroyed the Republican majority, he crippled the American conservative movement and he weakened the country. That's a hell of a trifecta."
And for once, I agree with him. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 2, 2009 4:42 PM:

" "you have a simple mind... "

"the rodeo clown's antics don't matter.

it's civilized culture that takes the hit with the uneducated neocons. "

americans who are so called "christians" are just as bad and manage to go that extra step when it comes to violence. "

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my, my, my....for one who doesn't want to be judged by certain characteristics .... how critical of others we can be...

where's that Ip octet you were gonna caught up on here, huh, Judge Judy? "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 4:43 PM:

" jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:48 PM:
"As a man you could never truly understand the long term effects of abortion, no matter what the reason. """""

believe me...i certainly understand it much better than you. "

father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 4:46 PM:

" jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 3:48 PM:
"As a man you could never truly understand the long term effects of abortion, no matter what the reason. """""

we also volunteer at planned parenthood. you should try it, you might better understand the women who make a choice either way instead of having blind tunnel vision. "

Billie Brant wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:36 PM:

" fb- I hope you realize that I most certainly feel what happened to your wife was horrible and for her to have had to suffer that kind of terror is terrible. I can't find a word to fully describe it having never "been there" myself. I've never been in the position she was in so I truthfully can not say how I would have handled it. I think your support of her really shows how much you love her. She's a lucky woman to have that kind of support. Good on you!

You know I'm a pro-lifer, but that doesn't mean I don't have strong sympathetic feelings toward women such as your wife who have had to suffer such severe truma at the hands of an animal such as the one who attacked your wife. Also I have had friends who have had abortions and while I didn't agree with it, that fact NEVER diminished my feelings of love for my friends, nor did I lay a guilt trip on them. That's not what a friend does.

Neither does it mean that I ever condone the acts of violence towards doctors and nurses who perform abortions such as the person who killed Dr. Tiller. It just isn't the right way to intervene. I have to say I didn't care much for Dr. Tiller and his late term abortions on demand for viable babies.

I have very strong feelings for the babies fb. It's in me and there's no way I could ever change my mind on it. But,this doesn't mean any disrespect toward you or your wife. I hope you know that. "

jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:58 PM:

" father bob wrote on Jun 2, 2009 4:46

we also volunteer at planned parenthood. you should try it, you might better understand the women who make a choice either way instead of having blind tunnel vision. "

Funny how you could judge me without even knowing me or my circumstances. Trust me when I say I don't have to volunteer to know both sides. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 2, 2009 6:23 PM:

" This one is for the Fox fanatics out there. I was listening to the whiny little Hannity, you know the one who weaseled out of getting waterboarded to raise money for the troops. Anyway, he had a preacher on his show and they were talking about the sanctity of marriage. Of course, as he does with every issue, Hannity tried to make it a liberal versus conservative issue and started his usual blather about how liberals don't put the same values on marriage as do conservative. I guess Hannity forgot about leading conservative spokesmen, Limbaugh and Gingrich who have between 7 or 8 marriages (that we know of) between them, and how Gingrich served one of his many wives divorce papers while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer. Oh, those conservative values that Fox news and their ilk go on about.

I guess maybe divorce is a conservative family value.

And speaking of Limbaugh fans, where is old Jon? Perhaps he's out raising defense money for the guy who did the doctor in. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 2, 2009 7:58 PM:

" believe me...i certainly understand it much better than you. "
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The "one" that got away... "

The Question wrote on Jun 2, 2009 8:19 PM:

" I see the president's date is the topic of the newspaper's online poll. Maybe the paper would like to send another local GOP hack posing as a reporter to the White House to ask him about it. "

Early Bird wrote on Jun 3, 2009 5:38 AM:

" " I see the president's date is the topic of the newspaper's online poll.

This reminds me of the ongoing Fox (so called news) polls. Now that a Democrat is in the White House they do a lot of polls on what the president should or should not do. I don't recall them doing that when a Republican was in office. Do you suppose they have a mole at the newspaper office?

Talk about a loaded question. The way the question was worded is something right out of the Fox playbook. Billo the clown must have helped them with the wording.

I Wonder why Roger Ailes of Fox never took an on line poll about the war in Iraq or any other issues occurring during the Bush/Cheney years? I guess they were to busy reporting so we could decide.

I'll bet George Bush paid the costs of all of those trips he took to and from Texas while he was in office too. Heck, we probably even paid for Cheney's infamous lawyer shooting spree too. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 AM:

" Some 52 percent of people say torture can be at least sometimes justified to obtain information about terrorist activities from suspects, an increase from 38 percent in 2005 when the AP last asked the question. More than two-thirds of Republicans say torture can be justified compared with just over a third of Democrats.

I guess it's safe to say that the Republican party, now under the direction of Rush Limabugh, is the party of torture. So now in addition to being pro tobacco, anti science and anti gay we can say they have added torture to their resume.

Is in any wonder that their approval ratings are in the toilet. "

father bob wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:28 AM:

" jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 5:58 PM:
"Funny how you could judge me without even knowing me or my circumstances.""""

scroll up and re-read your posts. talk about making a judgment! being a man, i DO know know what it's all about. i was at her hospital bedside, i was the one listening to hours of conversation of her trying to cope. i was there for her fits of rage which turned into hour long crying sessions. i was there when she discovered she was pregnant. i was there when she could not mentally handle "Satan's" child inside her. i was there when she finally found peace.

people who say abortion issues are black and white, cut and dried.. are ignorant, and have never experienced the "gray". "

The Question wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:53 AM:

" Justifying the use of torture through the phony, cheap-fiction "ticking time bomb" scenario makes just as much sense as organizing your menu based on the Donner Party dinner plan.
Under what circumstances would other nations be justifying in torturing American troops? "

jukbx wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:01 AM:

" fb,

You are obviously the first man I know of to experience the long term effects of having an abortion. Let's call it a draw. "

Jim1969 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:17 AM:

" fatherbob wrote: "people who say abortion issues are black and white, cut and dried.. are ignorant, and have never experienced the "gray". "

I think this is the first time I have ever seen anything FB has written that I totally agree with. "

Becky wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:25 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 AM:

" Some 52 percent of people say torture can be at least sometimes justified to obtain information about terrorist activities from suspects"

Yeah, hp, I read that too and I don't believe this "poll" for one minute. If it is true, our country no longer exists. To those of you who think TORTURE is ok if it protects us innocents, it's been proven OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER that the one being tortured will say whatever they think the torturer wants to hear to get the pain to stop. That's not information, it's coercion and not reliable in the slightest forms. It only manages to enrage the "enemy" and they join jihad forces to fight the evil Americans. So, it doesn't make us safer. It does the exact OPPOSITE.

That we even keep having this conversation is absurd. When is torture needed????.......NEVER! "

The Question wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:43 AM:

" Dick Cheney says that George W. Bush did not want to be the one who "pulled the plug" on General Motors and instead decided to pass on the mess to President Obama.
Just like the incompetent, irresponsible, stupid, corrupt coward Bush is, and always will be -- the one the Republicans cheered and installed as president of the United States. "

The Question wrote on Jun 3, 2009 1:46 PM:

" Just saw a CNN anchor begging an analyst to "Give the GOP some hope." That's the job of a corporate news reporter in the 21st century -- not to report the facts, but to nakedly plead for the Republican Party. "

jrussell wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:19 PM:

" jukbx wrote on Jun 2, 2009 11:58 AM:

" Hump,

Did I hit a nerve. All I said was that Bush was working on his "vacations", as they were called.

I beleive my post was that I was sick of hearing about Obamanations date nights and that since we're in a recession they might want to keep it a little low key.

As for the abortion comments, you might want to thank your mom for the pro life stance she took when she was pregnant with you. "

...lol that's kinda irrelevant lol, if his mom had him aborted he wouldn't even know the difference, he would be non existent "

jrussell wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Jim1969 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:17 AM:

" fatherbob wrote: "people who say abortion issues are black and white, cut and dried.. are ignorant, and have never experienced the "gray". "

I think this is the first time I have ever seen anything FB has written that I totally agree with

...Gray area, oh no run everybody lol, i'm glad some people are understanding the gray area more "

AnnaNiemaus wrote on Jun 3, 2009 4:24 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jun 3, 2009 11:43 AM:
" Dick Cheney says that George W. Bush did not want to be the one who "pulled the plug" on General Motors and instead decided to pass on the mess to President Obama.
Just like the incompetent, irresponsible, stupid, corrupt coward Bush is, and always will be -- the one the Republicans cheered and installed as president of the United States. "

Got a citation? Not that I doubt it; I've thought that a lot of the stuff going on lately has been in the works for a long time, and Obama will be the patsy for it. "

The Question wrote on Jun 3, 2009 5:17 PM:

" The Cheney story is on Politico, Anna. It's from a Fox News interview with Cheney airing tonight on Greta Van Susteren's show. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 3, 2009 6:17 PM:

" Reading this I have come to two separate conclusions. One yes, the criticism of Obama is annoying. Most of the arguments made by those that oppose him are the same ole' rhetoric about taxes and government control. Now for one people unless you are in the upper class the federal government will be giving tax cuts, its the state government who is raising the taxes on everyone. Plus, the Right controls on a different aspect, thats on personal rights, both sides want control either its the left economically or the right on personal rights.(though I think it should be the upper class and the elite who should have heavy taxes placed upon them. They are a big reason for this meltdown.)
Now I also believe that even though I voted for Obama, he is still the enemy. It is the duty of every person to question harshly their leaders. Unlike today where fascism either on the left or right is coming to fruition. Time will come for either complete submission or overthrow. "

AnnaNiemaus wrote on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM:

" Thanks, The Question. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:03 PM:

" For all you Limbaugh fans. Check out "corpulent drug addict dance rush limbaugh" on YouTube. "

ed miller wrote on Jun 3, 2009 9:54 PM:

" Gov't posts sensitive list of US nuclear sites
Jun 3 06:54 AM US/Eastern
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The government accidentally posted on the Internet a list of all civilian nuclear sites and their activities in the United States.

The 266-page document was published on May 6 as a transmission from President Barack Obama to the U.S. Congress. According to the document, the list was required by law and will be provided to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Some of the pages are marked "highly confidential safeguards sensitive."

While there is security at the facilities, the list could presumably be useful for terrorists or anyone else who would like to harm the United States.

The publication of the list was first reported in an online secrecy newsletter Monday. "

These are the people who want to be in control of your healthcare, car companies, and banks. "

Why Not wrote on Jun 4, 2009 6:23 AM:

" Freedoms...hello...Freedoms...hello...We have the right to be critical, we pay this man, we elected this man, etc., etc., oh yeah, we have a freedom of speech in this country...oops forgot about that, don't tell me to not be critical or speak up when I feel a need. You just spoke up on your feelings Mrs. Over-the-Hill, I and others have the right to speak up when we feel necessary. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 4, 2009 6:31 AM:

" It seems the ousted party is having some difficulty with Obama's reception everywhere he goes. In addition to throw hissy fits over his personal activities, they are doing their best to put a negative spin on his official state visits. Of course Fox news is doing their part to keep the fire stoked. "

The Question wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:06 AM:

" These are the people who want to be in control of your healthcare, car companies, and banks.
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Good, Maybe they'll accidentally spill everything and let us find out what's going on then. "

The Question wrote on Jun 4, 2009 8:39 AM:

" How awful that we have a president who goes out on a date to a Broadway show with his wife. Oh, for the good old days when we had:
a Republican president who arrogantly dismisses the U.S. Constitution as, "a (expletive deleted) piece of paper."
a Republican president who uses, lies about and yet endorses torture.
a Republican president who destroys America's reputation in the world.
a Republican president who illegally spies on innocent Americans.
a Republican president who cooks up intelligence to justify war and the invasion and occupation of an oil-rich country.
a Republican president who regularly lies to the American people to defend his illegal actions.
a Republican president who drives the economy into the ground and turns record surpluses into record deficits.
a Republican president who disregards terror warnings from the previous National Security Director, disbands the unit dedicated to finding bin Laden, repeatedly states that finding bin Laden is not important and not a priority and allows bin Laden to roam free.
a Republican president who surrounds himself with incompetent officials like "Heckuvajob Brownie" and then laughs and eats cake while an American city and many of its residents drown.
a Republican president who lavishes billion-dollar no-bid, cost-plus contracts on crony corporations and contractors.
a Republican president who is delusional and who dresses up in a military costume to prance around on a aircraft carrier and declare, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED."
a Republican president who recklessly and maliciously leaks the name of a covert CIA officer.
a Republican president who tries to turn our democracy into a theocracy, and tells the Amish that God speaks through him.
a Republican president who comes into power as a result of his daddy's pals on the Supreme Court awarding him the presidency.
a Republican president who is happy to leave behind a titanic mess for the next president to try to clean up.
a Republican president who is fascist, dishonest, corrupt, incompetent, immoral, unethical, unaccountable and moronic.
But at least he didn't take his wife to a Broadway show, thank goodness. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 4, 2009 9:36 AM:

" I see where one of Fox news's Sean Hannity's so called "Freedom" concert entertainers got busted. This time it was Leann Rimes. Old Sean sure can pick some dandies. He seems to have a thing for accused felons, first the rotund Limbaugh, busted for illegal drugs and now Rimes, accused of stalking.

More Fox/Republican family values? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:20 AM:

" a Republican president who uses, lies about and yet endorses torture.
a Republican president who destroys America's reputation in the world.
a Republican president who illegally spies on innocent Americans.

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Such a "hater".

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The Question wrote on Jun 4, 2009 11:21 AM:

" Forget whatever blather the politicians and the business community puts out. Just watch where all the money goes.
In what kind of insane "free market" do companies reward the executives who wrecked them with hundreds of millions in bonuses, even as they get massive taxpayer handouts?
We don't have capitalism, and we don't have socialism. We have something far worse than both -- an economy and a government run by and for the corporate ruling class, and exclusively for their benefit. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 4, 2009 1:13 PM:

" Question isn't that called a Plutocracy? Or we might also call our system an Oligarchy? Both words fit. "

The Question wrote on Jun 4, 2009 1:46 PM:

" I also call it a kleptocracy, meaning rule by thieves. All three terms fit, Susan, for many of the Democrats and all of the Republicans.
All the decent Republicans are either dead now or have been banished by the completely corrupted, stupidity-worshipping party they once served. All the GOP has left are the theocrats, the kleptocrats, the torture fetishists and the brainless, greedy, honking moose queens.
That party's over. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 4, 2009 2:06 PM:

" I seem to recall Neo throwing one of his hissy fits awhile back and swearing off this site. In fact I remember him trying to get some of his fellow right wingers to join him on some of the right wing sites. What happened Neo? "

The Question wrote on Jun 4, 2009 6:52 PM:

" I understand from our Republican friends that no one was there in Cairo to hear Obama speak. They all attended just to hear the rock bank that performed before him. "

DONEdone wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:33 PM:

" yes i agree hate the sin love the sinner. i still say that it is those getting and performing them that have to deal with the consequences of their actions. it seems like alot of people think they have the right to tell other people what THEY feel. I for one don't care what they think I should do with MY body, soul and mind. when i meet my maker, he or she will decide if ive been good enough to make entry into the kingdom, and NONE OF YOU can make that decision. an abortion is a hard decision to make, and anybody that thinks it is done for a weekend of fun is sadly mistaken. most of the abortions are handled with a heavy heart. those that have experienced this tragedy do not need to explain themselves to anybody but their god, of their choice. "

jukbx wrote on Jun 5, 2009 7:57 AM:

" DONEdone wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:33 PM:
those that have experienced this tragedy do not need to explain themselves to anybody but their god, of their choice. "

Well said, DONEdone. 'Tragedy' is the word one should use to describe abortion. But it is an avoidable 'Tragedy'. You make it a 'Tragedy' when you choose abortion.

S-SIZE
The unborn is smaller than the toddler, but toddlers are smaller than adults.
L-LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT
The unborn is less developed than the toddler, but toddlers are less developed than elementary school kids.
E-ENVIRONMENT
The unborn is in a different location than the toddler, but toddlers can change environments without changing their value.
D-DEPENDENCY
Finally, the unborn is more dependent than a toddler, but toddlers are more dependent than adolescents (even if some parents would deny this). And many other born people depend on medications, caregivers, and spacesuits to sustain their lives. They are more dependent than those who dont need these things.

It's a baby, not a blob and when it's aborted, it is a 'Tragedy'. "

father bob wrote on Jun 5, 2009 9:13 AM:

" DONEdone wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:33 PM:
"an abortion is a hard decision to make, and anybody that thinks it is done for a weekend of fun is sadly mistaken. most of the abortions are handled with a heavy heart. those that have experienced this tragedy do not need to explain themselves to anybody but their god, of their choice. """""

someone actually gets it! thanks for your post. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 5, 2009 11:09 AM:

" "an abortion is a hard decision to make"
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If the unborn are not human beings, then why is the decision hard?

"most of the abortions are handled with a heavy heart."
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Again, if this is merely an insignificant "glob" of cells, then why does the heart ache over the very thing that the head rationalizes?

"those that have experienced this tragedy"
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It is a tragedy because a human being is dying. And I truly feel for all involved, especially the mothers. I don't think any woman ever really "recovers" from an abortion. That is why I feel compassion and mercy for them. Christ demands nothing less from me. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 5, 2009 3:45 PM:

" 7X you really take the cake, because that mass of cells has the potential to one day become a human being BUT it isn't one yet. Because some folks who make the decision to abort really do want children just not the child of their rapist. Because they are frightened, it is a medical procedure, they are afraid someone like you will find out and chastise them, condemn them call them names, ostracise them. There are many reasons why women find the decision difficult. Folks like you don't need to add to their problems. Your actions are plain and simply immoral. "

father bob wrote on Jun 5, 2009 5:26 PM:

" DONEdone wrote on Jun 4, 2009 10:33 PM:
" most of the abortions are handled with a heavy heart. those that have experienced this tragedy do not need to explain themselves to anybody but their god, of their choice. """"

you could have left the god part out. life in biological....end of story. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 6, 2009 12:17 AM:

" No Ms Humphreys, the mass of cells is a human being. It does not have the potential to become anything else. And you Madam, cannot pin-point any exact point in time when it does magically "become" human. Life begins at conception Ms Humphreys, and without any absolute proof to the contrary, it is immoral to not give the unborn the benefit of the doubt.

And I submit to you Madam, that the mother's guilt is only as strong as her belief in her guilt. The guilt she feels is a natural result, because it is completely unnatural for any mother to contribute to her own child's death. This goes against her very DNA, it is contrary to her very soul.
I'm sorry you feel that "folks" like me add to their problems. The reality is, their problem is the abortion itself and their own emotional wounds that haunt them for the rest of their lives. I'm on the side of life, Ms Humphreys. I want the baby to live, but I do not condemn the mother in the process. I give the benefit of the doubt that such an unnatural act requires the mother to be in an irrational state of mind. I look upon the woman with mercy and forgiveness as Christ calls me to do.
I forgive all those involved Ms Humphreys, and I forgive you. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 6, 2009 12:19 AM:

" Here is undeniable truth, Ms Humphreys:

No one can make you feel guilt.
Only you, can make you feel guilty. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 7, 2009 9:11 AM:

" 7X you know very little about human psychology. Feelings of guilt are very easily implanted by those who have no scruples, folks like you.I suggest you educate yourself about false memories, survivors guilt, the value of harsh interrogation techniques in eliciting truthful information, persecution.... "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 7, 2009 6:25 PM:

" Actually Ms Humphreys, I humbly submit to you that I know a great deal about psychology. The issue at hand is one of "real guilt" versus "self-imposed" guilt. And abortion impossibly blurs the distinctions between these two definitions.
All forms of abortion could be legally and morally acceptable in our society, Madam, and still, there would always be the "natural", intrinsic guilt that would pang and linger in the mother's very soul for the rest of her life. You could no more eradicate this pain from the mother, than you could eliminate the mothers genes from the baby's DNA. And if you could, Madam, the results would be something less than human. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 8, 2009 7:53 AM:

" 7X you confuse guilt with sorrow, remorse, confusion, fear, anger,... You really don't know much about human psychology. "

jrussell wrote on Jun 8, 2009 3:07 PM:

" yes susan ya know all that business running by 7x6z9 gave em tons of psycho experience, maybe thats the degree the bluedog failed to mention lol, it doesn't matter your point susan, Ms. Bluedog will argue it simply for the sake of arguing, i think know one knows what they would truly do in that situation until they are in that situation, i'm not female nor will i be so i can't tell ya "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 8, 2009 3:28 PM:

" Your reference to me makes no sense, jrussell. I don't know what game you're trying to play, but I've come here to have mature discussions with responsible adults. If you're not interested in mature behavior, then kindly leave me out of your remarks.
Thank you. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 8, 2009 3:31 PM:

" So Mr. Russell you are confirming that 7X is BlueDog Democrat. How curious and he has tried to deny it. How sad that a person has to have (gosh how many aliases has he posted under now) because each one gets exposed for the ignorance, lack of compassion and basic human understanding. Tsk, Tsk! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 9, 2009 6:08 AM:

" Looks like Cybil got busted again. lol! "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 9, 2009 7:35 AM:

" You know 7X you and Jukebox and Mr. Russell should get your stories straight. Or maybe you just need to do a better job at controlling your minions. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:51 AM:

" Ms Humphreys, I have no personal connection with anyone on this site. I don't know what all of this nonsense is about, and frankly, I want no part of it. I'm here to exchange points of view with adults, not play games and hurl accusations. I'm sorry if I have offended you Ms Humphreys. That was never my intention. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 9, 2009 11:32 AM:

" Whatever you say 7X. I just took their statements at face value. I certainly won't be the one to call them liars or fabricators or delusional! But you certainly can. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 9, 2009 3:04 PM:

" "I certainly won't be the one to call them liars or fabricators or delusional! But you certainly can."
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As a Christian, I certainly can't judge their motives in this matter, Ms Humphreys. That is why I simply call them- mistaken. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 6:22 PM:

" 7x6z9 does everything have to come down to being a Christian? Not everything can be backed by the bible. For creditability try using different facts than what your church has told you. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 6:26 PM:

" ms. Humphreys. I wouldn't think that Russel is on 7x6z9 or "bluedogs" side. If fact I know him personally and has had quite a few good things to say about your letters. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 10:49 PM:

" I don't use the Bible to back my arguments very often proletariat. Why do you say that I do? And no, I'm not posting as anyone else. "

shumphreys wrote on Jun 11, 2009 7:38 AM:

" Yes you are right The Proletariat, I did jump to a conclusion about Mr. Russell and shouldn't have lumped him with 7Xs minions. I do however get tired of fighting abuse all by myself. I do wish "voices of reason" would speak up more often and perhaps if they did these pages would become a bit more civil and we might actually be able to honestly address topics of concern. "

7X6Z9 wrote on Jun 11, 2009 3:14 PM:

" Please, Ms Humphreys, I ask you to be fair. I did not intend to abuse you, Ma'am, and I have ceased all questions about your private life. I do not have any "minions" in here, and like you, I am frequently left to my own devices in many of the discussions on these pages. I am only interested in adult discussions, free of insults and derision. I value the time that we have dedicated to our debates, and I look forward to more exchanges in the future. If you feel that I have been unduly harsh or if you feel that I have insulted you, then please Ms Humphreys, tell me. I will try to conduct myself as a gentleman. Thank you. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 11, 2009 7:56 PM:

" Anyone else buying Cybil's new tone? Really, playing the religious card and playing nicey nice is fooling none of the regulars. "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Jun 12, 2009 7:00 PM:

" Observing this might be worth missing the Tractor Pulls, tonight.

Wait! What the hell am I saying....

Later, you silly people you! "

jrussell wrote on Jun 14, 2009 9:26 PM:

" I'm not sure of the story you refer to Ms. Humpheries, I believe 7X is Bluedog and that the dog will argue anything for the sake of arguing, other than that i stated that people tend to change their so called morals when they are put in the shoes of having to actually make certain decisions, no misintentions directed to you, as for you 7X yes I think your bluedog, play it foolishly all you want but i know your writing and even if there is a chance you're not then you must be a twin, it is however a nice attempt to clean up your previous acts of vulgar writing and toilet humor but you still resort back to your old habits, good to chat with ya again bluedog "

jrussell wrote on Jun 14, 2009 9:31 PM:

" while I'm here...if my place on abortion is desired then so shall i state it again, i believe a woman controls her own body, i believe she has the right to do with it as she pleases, i support a womans right to an abortion, if i were a woman i would not do it, i hope that the common sense prevails in these situations and that women use the many options available to NOT get pregnant however this isn't the case generally so i'm kinda stuck in an off place, i also think that whoever killed the abortion doctor is ridiculous, justifying murder with murder makes no sense "