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Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:16 PM CDT
LETTER: Preachers should stick to God's love and mercy

MARY O'NEILL, Charleston

I’m writing to say I really enjoy the “Letters to the Editor” column.

One comment I’d like to make on Susan Humphreys’ debate with Mr. Albin on the subject of “Homosexuality.” Save your breath.

After hearing Mr. Albin use a derogatory word on his radio program, I called the station. Even though I do not believe in same sex marriage, I do not believe in using derogatory names to any person. I am not a psychologist, nor am I God, to judge any other person, but I do believe ministers have to choose their words more carefully. I do not listen anymore to Mr. Albin’s program, just as I do not listen to the TV ministers who spoke against President Obama.

In my opinion, ministers need to preach God’s love and mercy from the pulpit. When I hear them speaking politics off goes the off button.

MARY O’NEILL

Charleston

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AnnaNiemaus wrote on May 21, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Amen! "

just wondering wrote on May 21, 2009 9:50 AM:

" So, you are saying that because someone is a minister, they do not have the right to say what they believe. If that is the case you need to say the same also about atheist and agnostics. I did not here the broadcast you were speaking about, so I can't comment on that. I do think though the last paragraph of your letter kind of puts it all in focus. You sound like many of the so-called Christians who think all the ministers should only talk about love and mercy. With the gifts of love and mercy come responsibilities, and a lot of people don't want to hear that. They don't want someone to tell them that they need to live their life a certain way. They want to live the way they want to and still receive the gifts of God. It doesn't work that way. Just like anything else in life, you get what you put into it. "

Mike P wrote on May 21, 2009 12:05 PM:

" Partisan politics from the pulpit, isn't appropriate behavior.

I don't think it should have any place in Gods house. I don't think love and mercy should be the only subject of sermons, God is supposed to guide the direction of preaching and study. Sometimes the congregation probably needs doses of wrath of god, fire and brimstone, lucifer being cast out of heaven, and the last several books of the new testament.

Any premise encouraging hate and or persecution of any group, person, or faith, isn't correctly derived from the bible, or led by God. By all means, if the message seems against Gods teachings in any way, seek spirtual enrichment elsewhere. "

shumphreys wrote on May 21, 2009 12:28 PM:

" Just Wondering, your statement "you get what you put into it"--I completely agree, we do indeed reap what we sow. Those that persecute others, that use their religion and their sacred text to justify that persecution should get exactly what they put into it and I don't think that will be a place in heaven. Do you? "

CrowWoman wrote on May 21, 2009 1:17 PM:

" Just wondering, Mary O'Neill was very clear that she personally opposes same sex marriage. What she objected to was Mr. Albin's derogatory comments. Should pastors make disparaging comments about people? What does this do for the cause of Christ? It is possible to present one's own beliefs without making derogatory comments about others. "

just wondering wrote on May 21, 2009 1:52 PM:

" It depends, Susan. Those who do not follow God's laws won't make it to Heaven and won't have to worry about it. God also commands his people to speak out against those who break his laws. "

shumphreys wrote on May 21, 2009 3:18 PM:

" I am glad to know that you agree that I am right to speak out against those that "break Gods laws"? Those that use and misuse the Bible and their religion to persecute others. "

just wondering wrote on May 21, 2009 4:19 PM:

" The trouble is Susan your interpretation of the Bible and who is breaking the laws. You twist everything around to suit your own purposes. You are one of the very last people that should be determining who are breaking the laws. With the statements you have made here and other places, I don't think God wants you talking for him. Unless he has a really sick sense of humor. "

father bob wrote on May 21, 2009 5:17 PM:

" i think christians using their ministries to make a political statement are truly unpatriotic in every sense.

the separation of church and state was one of the benchmarks used to form this country. our early immigrants had learned that lesson the hard way and came here to escape a forced religion intermingled in the king's politics. "

Hahvahd wrote on May 21, 2009 7:13 PM:

" No one is saying that ministers should forfeit the right to speak their opinions, but there is a time and place for everything. I volunteer for the American Cancer Society's Relay For Life, and when we invite guest speakers to our event, we have to make sure they know they are not allowed to raise political issues in any way at this public event, or the organization loses its tax-exempt status. I think the same should be true of churches who preach politics from the pulpit -- okay if you and your congregation want this forum for political views, but you forfeit your tax-exempt status if you do so. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 21, 2009 7:32 PM:

" Mary makes an excellent point with her letter. "

medic57 wrote on May 21, 2009 9:08 PM:

" and I don't think that will be a place in heaven. Do you?

Susan, understand what it takes to get into heaven before you comment on it. "

just watching wrote on May 22, 2009 6:39 AM:

" I agree with what Medic 57 said. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 22, 2009 7:03 AM:

" Jeremiah was a preacher and he told the people about the coming judgment of God and they also chose not to listen. So they suffered God's wrath. "

The Question wrote on May 22, 2009 7:20 AM:

" Religion has some meaning on the psychological and symbolic level. But on the literal and factual level, religion is simply BS. That is why religious fundamentalists everywhere are always wrong about everything. "

vakyin wrote on May 22, 2009 7:27 AM:

" God said no to homosexuality long before we invented politics. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 22, 2009 7:40 AM:

" Excellent point Hahvahd, clergyman who use the pulpit to promote their own political views should have to forfeit their tax exempt status. Just look at Pat Robertson as one example, he spends more time talking politics than he does in preaching the gospel, and when you add in the time he spends trying to coerce little old ladies into sending him money, there's little time to preach. "

shumphreys wrote on May 22, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Heavens Medic I have been there and done that. Now as to what I mean by that, heaven only knows! "

just wondering wrote on May 22, 2009 11:09 AM:

" The Question telling someone they are always wrong. Now that is funny. "

just wondering wrote on May 22, 2009 11:11 AM:

" So Susan, you have been to heaven? Guess they didn't want you there since you are back. Too bad they didn't send you some place else. "

shumphreys wrote on May 22, 2009 1:07 PM:

" Just Wondering it is obvious why I am here, this is the place where I am needed the most, for now. "

medic57 wrote on May 23, 2009 12:41 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on May 22, 2009 1:07 PM:

" Just Wondering it is obvious why I am here, this is the place where I am needed the most, for now. "

Actually Susan, I believe you belong in a decent English puncuation class.

just wondering wrote on May 22, 2009 11:11 AM:

" So Susan, you have been to heaven? Guess they didn't want you there since you are back.

Two priests and a rabbi get to the pearly gates........

Oops, sorry. "

medic57 wrote on May 23, 2009 1:07 AM:

" In my life, I have never seen, personally, a preacher that speaks of anything except of love and mercy, and I have been to a few churches. If I visited any church and witnessed a preacher speaking of hate being the correct thing, I would stand up and leave. "

jackinthebox wrote on May 23, 2009 7:31 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on May 22, 2009 1:07 PM:

" Just Wondering it is obvious why I am here, this is the place where I am needed the most, for now. "

-------------------
Should we take a vote on that? "

kamfong wrote on May 23, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Jack-n-the box,....even satan needs a fair amount of soldiers.lol "

shumphreys wrote on May 23, 2009 10:03 AM:

" It isn't up for a vote Mr. Wondering. You just have to accept it, whether YOU like it or not. Because reality is what it is. I am here, I am speaking out and thats that! "

shumphreys wrote on May 23, 2009 10:04 AM:

" Oh Medic get over it. Punctuation ain't my thing. But my points are something you obviously can't refute! "

jrussell wrote on May 23, 2009 6:33 PM:

" just wondering wrote on May 21, 2009 1:52 PM:

" It depends, Susan. Those who do not follow God's laws won't make it to Heaven and won't have to worry about it. God also commands his people to speak out against those who break his laws. "

shumphreys wrote on May 21, 2009 3:18 PM:

" I am glad to know that you agree that I am right to speak out against those that "break Gods laws"? Those that use and misuse the Bible and their religion to persecute others. "

...don't we all break Gods laws somehow on a rather typical basis, perhaps forgiveness is the forgotten bit "

jrussell wrote on May 23, 2009 6:35 PM:

" it is funny that everyone is complaining about what someone said on the radio as if there isn't a bunch of name calling and derogatory statements used here all the time "

InsaneWayne wrote on May 23, 2009 9:26 PM:

" Oh my, an article on the Hipochristens how interesting.

You know, the ones who persecute everyone and have a greatly exaggerated sense of superior self-morality. They make real Christens pray that Christ can forgive their arrogant ignorance.

For instance Ive heard, my Church is the oldest and you have to study for a year to join it so were better.

Also this, those people going to Church over there spend too much time worshiping Mary and theyre going to hell.

They seem to spend very little time living in the teachings of Jesus. Its seems they cant realize that The Old Testament is just a story leading there.

Really, how many of you folks battling it out on here all the time ever thinks to pray for those with differing opinions.

Fire away Hipochristens Ill pray for you. "

Cognitus wrote on May 23, 2009 10:46 PM:

" vakyin wrote on May 22, 2009 7:27 AM:

" God said no to homosexuality long before we invented politics. "

He did?? Will you play the tape for us??? "

Cognitus wrote on May 23, 2009 10:49 PM:

" Medic57:"" In my life, I have never seen, personally, a preacher that speaks of anything except of love and mercy, and I have been to a few churches."

Maybe for you, but when I was a kid many years ago, they used to try to scare the HELL into you by preaching
fire and brimstone (whatever brimstone is). "

HisChild wrote on May 24, 2009 10:19 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on May 23, 2009 10:03 AM:
" It isn't up for a vote Mr. Wondering. You just have to accept it, whether YOU like it or not. Because reality is what it is. I am here, I am speaking out and thats that! "

*Laughing!*
It's up for a vote if we want it to be.
You just have to accept it, whether YOU like it or not.
Reality is what it is.
I am here, I am not speaking out, and that's that!
(You don't know what I'm thinking or praying!) *LOL!* "

Jim1969 wrote on May 24, 2009 11:33 AM:

" IMHO the whole point of Mary's letter is that the "pulpit" should not be used as a political platform, and to this I agree entirely. "

robertoca wrote on May 24, 2009 11:49 AM:

" I agree that churches should preach about love and compassion, and be less critical of others' ideas and beliefs. From the pulpit, involving a congregation in an argument on issues involving government and politics violates church and state. Unless I am completely mistaken, this is at least one of the reasons churches and religious organizations enjoy tax exempt status.

What a religious figure says on his own time, in his own opinion is completely his or her right as a citizen. I believe we are all fallible and should consider that when casting stones. We all violate the literal teachings of the Bible.

Also, I have to say that I think it's ridiculous when someone corrects another on grammar, spelling, or punctuation, as if an error in the aforementioned discredits one's opinion. What a waste of time! I would assume that most people are commenting because of their passion on an issue and not because they are trying to impress others with their command of the English language. Stick to the content. "

medic57 wrote on May 24, 2009 1:57 PM:

" Maybe for you, but when I was a kid many years ago, they used to try to scare the HELL into you by preaching
fire and brimstone (whatever brimstone is).

I have heard many sermans on fire and brimstone. (Sulfur) Like Susan, you don't understand what you read or hear, those sermans are actually about what happens if you don't ask for forgiveness and what happens when you do. But hey, don't take my words for it, have Susan ask one of her Archons of Daemons, I'm sure they will have the answer for you. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 24, 2009 5:50 PM:

" Cognitus, too bad you didn't listen because the truth is God is not only a God of Love and mercy but a God who has wrath for all who reject His Son and disobey Him and He judges with fire and brimstone.

Just read the Word it is better than a tape.

John 3:36 (NKJV)
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

Romans 1:18 (NKJV)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

Luke 17:29 (NKJV)
but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.

Did you ever wonder why our US presidents are sworn in with their hand on the Bible? If they don't believe the Bible is true then they are lying when they do that. "

medic57 wrote on May 25, 2009 1:16 AM:

" Oh Medic get over it. Punctuation ain't my thing. But my points are something you obviously can't refute!

I wouldn't know, some of them take about a day to decipher, however, most are easily refuted, you just don't believe the correct replies. "

Mike P wrote on May 25, 2009 5:32 AM:

" One might think brimstone is the birthplace of boiler slag, used for street repair in blighted and less fortunate areas. Seems like a fitting media for the gates of he(( to be visualized with.

Personally I think the biblical brimstone, might have been a meteor shower, or other like event. Part of a comets debris, an asteroid, or something telescopes tracked before entry, came into the atmosphere last year, and scientists were able to find some of its remains that didn't burn up completely on entry. I think it wound up hitting somewhere on the continent of Africa.

We can be pretty sure it wasn't predominantly blue ice, from a IFO flushing the head in the wrong conditions. If one of those, lands in your yard, house, or car, it could also be just as much of a sign to heed. But, waking up to a cooled brimstone cinder path in the neighborhood, could simply mean your tax dollars are hard at work, somewhere else, and your neighborhood wasn't even worth rocking the streets. "

medic57 wrote on May 25, 2009 8:42 AM:

" Jim1969 wrote on May 24, 2009 11:33 AM:

" IMHO the whole point of Mary's letter is that the "pulpit" should not be used as a political platform, and to this I agree entirely. "

As do I. "

CrowWoman wrote on May 25, 2009 9:53 AM:

" What a religious figure says on his own time, in his own opinion is completely his or her right as a citizen. I believe we are all fallible and should consider that when casting stones. We all violate the literal teachings of the Bible."

Excellent point, robertoca. "

just wondering wrote on May 25, 2009 10:07 AM:

" You need to pay more attention Susan. I am not the one who suggested the vote. As usual you just see and hear what you want to see and hear. As far as you being needed here, I guess that could be true. They always say that fleas and gnats are here on this earth because they serve a purpose. But your purpose would be far from what you think it is. "

just wondering wrote on May 25, 2009 10:11 AM:

" Nowhere in the constitution or any other document governing the actions in our country is the phrase separation of church and state. All it says is that one religion will not be endorsed over another. "

shumphreys wrote on May 25, 2009 2:20 PM:

" But does your vote count for anything? NO. So it isn't up to a vote. I will keep speaking out against injustice, the use of religion to promote fear and hate and justify the persecution of those that are different. Sorry Just Wondering if I credited you with the vote idea, one tirade sounds like another after a while. Why not as Robertoco suggests stick to the subject? "

The Question wrote on May 25, 2009 3:43 PM:

" Nowhere in the constitution or any other document governing the actions in our country is the phrase separation of church and state.
---
The term "God" appears nowhere in the Constitution, which FORBIDS the consideration of religion as a qualification for public office. The First Amendment to the BIll of Rights of the Constitution separates church and state by forbidding an establishment of religion and guaranteeing religious freedom. "

just wondering wrote on May 25, 2009 5:16 PM:

" Susan, you haven't a clue about injustice. Question if we we are to keep God separate, why is the phrase, in God we trust on our money? I doubt if you have ever turned down any money because it said that on it. Our pledge of allegiance, says One nation under God. And last but not least, the preamble of every state constitution in our country either thanks God or invokes his name in some way. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 25, 2009 5:42 PM:

" Holy cow! So now we have people wanting to vote about other's posting on here? It seems that we have a lot of self appointed monitors on this site. Maybe we should vote on them. lol!

Go get "em Susan. Too bad so many of them can't refute your messages and this kind of stuff must be the best they can do. You must get a good chuckle when you read some of the nonsense they throw back at you. I know I do. "

The Question wrote on May 25, 2009 6:30 PM:

" The Pledge of Allegiance is nothing, just an oath written by a Christian Socialist in 1892 that did NOT include any mention of God until more than 60 years after it was created (you can thank McCarthyist rabble rousers for the unnecessary latter-day addition).
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and all mentions of God were deliberately omitted from it.
FYI, the author of the Pledge wanted to include the word "equality" in it, but knew that the racist and sexist American state superintendents of education of that time would never permit it. "

The Question wrote on May 25, 2009 6:48 PM:

" As Thomas Jefferson observed, it doesn't matter whether your neighbor believes in 20 gods on no god. It neither picks your pocket nor breaks your leg.
Too bad so many people here are too dense to grasp a simple insight Jefferson had a couple of hundred years ago. "

The Question wrote on May 25, 2009 7:09 PM:

" When Bill Clinton was in office, Republican Bible-thumping lunatics like Jerry Falwell were shrieking how terrible it was that one of the Teletubbies was "gay." That's what those Fox-fed idiots thought was important -- speculation about the sexuality of preschool children's television characters who have no genitals.
That's a measure of how little we had to worry about then, the fact that Republicans had to make up such moronic nonsense to complain about. Well, after eight years in power, the Republicans have left us with plenty of real disasters to worry about now. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 25, 2009 9:52 PM:

" TQ if the Constitution is the supreme law of the land why wasn't Barry Hussein Obama's eligibility as a natural born citizen investigated? The Constitution is very clear on that. "

medic57 wrote on May 25, 2009 10:19 PM:

" TQ if the Constitution is the supreme law of the land why wasn't Barry Hussein Obama's eligibility as a natural born citizen investigated? The Constitution is very clear on that.

Maybe, just maybe because BARACK Hussain Obama was born in Hawiia. And by the way, read closely, you don't have to be a Natural born citizen. "

just wondering wrote on May 25, 2009 10:33 PM:

" It truly is a shame that everyone is not as intelligent as the question thinks he, she or it is. One of these days you will convince someone, maybe yourself. "

CrowWoman wrote on May 25, 2009 10:36 PM:

" Let it rest, Vanatta, let it rest already.... "

medic57 wrote on May 25, 2009 11:22 PM:

" The Question wrote on May 25, 2009 6:30 PM:

The Pledge of Allegiance is nothing.

Such a nice testimony to all of the Americans who have died so you can spout your rubbish. "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 25, 2009 11:40 PM:

" Richard Dawkins: We know the sort of event that must have happened for the origin of life.

Ben Stein: And what was that?

Richard Dawkins: It was the origin of the first self replicating molecule.

Ben Stein: Right, and how did that happen?

Richard Dawkins: I've told you, we don't know.

Ben Stein: So you have no idea how it started.

Richard Dawkins: No, no. Nor has anyone.

(Note: Dawkins is positive that the origin of life was not the result of God. Even though he fully admits- he has absolutely no idea how it started or who or what started it)

Until the Atheists can answer this fundamental question, their position is nothing more than a belief system based on sheer faith.

End of story. "

just watching wrote on May 26, 2009 6:23 AM:

" TQ BUSTED AGAIN. Good one Medic 57! "

medic57 wrote on May 26, 2009 7:51 AM:

" Go get "em Susan. Too bad so many of them can't refute your messages and this kind of stuff must be the best they can do. You must get a good chuckle when you read some of the nonsense they throw back at you. I know I do. "

HP

Speaking of nonsense, Susan believes in Archons and Daemons and 7 supernatural bi-sexual beeings that run everything.

And she says the bible is full of myths? "

Harry Potter wrote on May 26, 2009 8:10 AM:

" I suppose Hawaii isn't a state, huh Jon. Perhaps you need to stick to your ongoing thumping about how the earth is only 6000 years old.

And for your information several right wing outfits did try to challenge Obama's eligibility, but all of the court cases were throw out for their lack of merit. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 26, 2009 8:19 AM:

" Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

Seems pretty clear to me! Nothing fuzzy about it. "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 8:19 AM:

" "In God We Trust" is rather generic don't you think JW? It doesn't say in the "Christian" God we Trust now does it? I don't object because it is a totally meaningless statement. It carries NO force, NO power, NO truth, NO importance. Just like the Pledge of Allegiance as someone pointed out it was inserted during the McCarthy era and again it is Generic, under God not under the God of Christ, AND it is also meaningless, just like placing your hand on a Bible to swear an oath. If you don't believe in God or the Bible as absolute TRUTH than the pledge, the statement on money, and swearing in court trivializes the concepts. "

Becky wrote on May 26, 2009 8:49 AM:

" Jon Vanatta wrote on May 22, 2009 7:03 AM:

" Jeremiah was a preacher and he told the people about the coming judgment of God and they also chose not to listen. So they suffered God's wrath. "

Do you mean that all loving, forgiving God who hates violence and murder? "

Becky wrote on May 26, 2009 8:52 AM:

" just wondering wrote on May 22, 2009 11:11 AM:

" So Susan, you have been to heaven? Guess they didn't want you there since you are back. Too bad they didn't send you some place else. "

Oh, how very "christian" of you.

There's a saying that, I think, Mark Twain once wrote: "It's not God that I have a problem with, it's His fan club that scares the he** out of me."

Think about it "christian". "

Harry Potter wrote on May 26, 2009 9:25 AM:

" Until the Atheists can answer this fundamental question, their position is nothing more than a belief system based on sheer faith.

End of story. "

Oh really? Couldn't the same be said for those that consider themselves Christians? "

Harry Potter wrote on May 26, 2009 9:32 AM:

" just watching wrote on May 26, 2009 6:23 AM:

" TQ BUSTED AGAIN. Good one Medic 57! "

So you now consider someone expressing his views as getting "busted"? I would consider "busted" as proving someone wrong, and I didn't see that. Personal views are just that, personal. It's really not a difficult concept, jw. "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 9:36 AM:

" "It carries NO force, NO power, NO truth, NO importance."
----------

A perfect description of agnosticism.

Sometimes, The Angry Empty-Headed Birkenstock Madame stumbles upon an unintentional truth.

And God smiles. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 26, 2009 9:40 AM:

" HP

Speaking of nonsense, Susan believes in Archons and Daemons and 7 supernatural bi-sexual beeings that run everything.

And she says the bible is full of myths? "

I do understand your bitterness toward Susan. As many times as she has taken you and your kind to the cleaners, the reason for your comments are pretty obvious. I love how you Susan "fans" have to resort to your personal attacks, that seem nothing more than frustration over your inability to refute her posts.

But please do continue, we all need a good laugh every day. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 26, 2009 9:42 AM:

" There's a saying that, I think, Mark Twain once wrote: "It's not God that I have a problem with, it's His fan club that scares the he** out of me."

Best quote of the day!

After reading some of the stuff posted by the so called Christians, it was a timely reminder.

Thanks Becky. "

just wondering wrote on May 26, 2009 10:37 AM:

" I have thought about it Becky. Not every one will make it to Heaven. There are requirements to get throught the pearly gates and those that do not meet those requirements won't be welcomed in. "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 10:40 AM:

" To 7X6Z9 sorry I don't wear Birkenstocks, can't afford them and besides I am a New Balance type of person. Don't make such assumptions, it makes you look foolish. "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 10:48 AM:

" Medic quit lying. I have told you many, many times I am a Gnostic Taoist, I am NOT a Christian Gnostic. So get over it. If you would like to understand what a Gnostic Taoist is I'd be happy to tell you, in fact I have before, but since you have such a short memory, or a selective memory, I'll do it again. How is that for GREAT punctuation. I am a Gnostic in the sense that I am a seeker of knowledge/understanding and a Taoist in that I am a seeker of balance and harmony. This is a philosophical position not a religion, I don't worship God or Gods, there is NO centralized church, NO ministers or priests to interpret the sacred texts and tell you what to THINK. I accept the world as it is, on its terms, NOT on mine. Something that you should try to learn how to do, it just might help you become a better person, and you need all the help you can get! "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 11:14 AM:

" "Oh really? Couldn't the same be said for those that consider themselves Christians?"
----------

A.....yes. Christians have "faith".
Am I going too fast for you here? "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 11:23 AM:

" AND Medic Gnostic Christian beliefs aren't any more "nonsensical" (your term) than YOUR beliefs or the beliefs of many of the fundamentalist Christians that post on these sites. Let's see they (and you?) believe in a God that makes bets with the Devil, destroys a mans family for fun?, then provides him with a new wife and children and thinks that will make amends for the lost family? You and the others believe in a God that destroys entire towns because he thinks they behave badly rather than work at changing their behavior, teaching them a better way, about justice etc. he just wipes them out? You and the others believe in a God that tells his people to kill all the men women and children but to save the virgins and rape them? You and the others believe that this God is a kind, loving and just God? At least the Gnostic Christians believe that this God that you worship is a false God, that the REAL God is a kind, loving and just God and would never do ALL of these things to her creation. "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 12:52 PM:

" Breaking: California Supreme Court upholds Prop 8

The will of the people triumphs.

Sorry Susan. I'm sure you can comfort your smoldering rage by lashing out at more Christians. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 26, 2009 1:52 PM:

" Yep thats the one I mean Becky "

medic57 wrote on May 26, 2009 2:16 PM:

" Scientists have yet to answer any of the big questions.

Where did we come from?

Is anyone else out there?

Who lives in a Pineapple under the sea? "

Becky wrote on May 26, 2009 2:47 PM:

" just wondering wrote on May 26, 2009 10:37 AM:

" I have thought about it Becky. Not every one will make it to Heaven. There are requirements to get throught the pearly gates"

So, if God despises wordly possessions, it will be easier to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man get into heaven, Jesus gets angry at the money changers in the church, so on and so forth....why is heaven lined with golden roads, pearly gates, sparkling gems??? So many biblical christain beliefs are as mythical to many of us as your thinking any other form of religion is made of myths. Nobody here has wished any wrongs done to anyone else, except you! And you want to teach us about love, understanding and heaven? Don't think so! It's not your call as to who gets "saved" and you trying to portray that you have that power proves that you don't even understand the concepts of BASIC christianity teachings. "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 2:57 PM:

" "To 7X6Z9 sorry I don't wear Birkenstocks, can't afford them and besides I am a New Balance type of person. Don't make such assumptions, it makes you look foolish."
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Should I apologize to your husband and children? "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 3:15 PM:

" 7X6Z9 sorry I don't have smouldering rage or rage of any kind. Just sadness for mans folly and stupidity and hypocrisy and...... "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 3:23 PM:

" "Who lives in a Pineapple under the sea?"
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SpongeBob Square Pants and his roommate Crazy Joe Biden. "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 3:23 PM:

" AND JW what are those requirements to get through those pearly gates? Do you have to be a Christian? Do you have to behave properly, be free of sin, treat your neighbor as your brother? Can you buy your way in with great bequeasts to honorable causes? OR is there nothing that you can do because it has already been pre-determined who will or who won't get in? Or could it be that if there is any truth to the concept of Grace every one will be granted Grace,everyone will be saved? After all Grace if it is Grace is freely given, no quid pro quo,you don't have to do ANYTHING to receive it. Every Hindu,Buddihist, Atheist, Jew, Muslim and even Christians will be granted Grace IF the concept is true. "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 3:25 PM:

" Does that include woman's folly and stupidity and hypocrisy?

You do have a husband and children, don't you? "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 5:53 PM:

" Of course not Mr. 7X, I said man didn't I? "

shumphreys wrote on May 26, 2009 5:54 PM:

" Oh and Mr. 7X you need only to apologize to yourself. You are your own enemy, not me. "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 6:54 PM:

" So you have never chosen a husband or children have you Ms. Humphreys.

The motive of your rage and hatred towards Christianity makes perfect sense now.

Perhaps one day you will find peace in Christ. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 26, 2009 8:23 PM:

" Am I going too fast for you here? "

Not even close, but your hatred is about on a par with a lot of the so called "Christian" that post their brand of Christianity on here on here. True Christians don't hate. Perhaps you and Jon Vanatta should start your own chat room to lament over Obama's election and talk about how great of Christians you both are. "

CrowWoman wrote on May 26, 2009 8:40 PM:

" "Perhaps one day you will find peace in Christ."

7X6Z9, one who has found peace in Christ would not feel the need to attack and insult people, especially in His name. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 26, 2009 8:44 PM:

" 7X6Z9, one who has found peace in Christ would not feel the need to attack and insult people, especially in His name. "

Amen! "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 8:47 PM:

" "your hatred is about on a par with a lot of the so called "Christian" that post their brand of Christianity on here on here.True Christians don't hate."
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Where is the evidence of my hatred? "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 26, 2009 8:52 PM:

" "7X6Z9, one who has found peace in Christ would not feel the need to attack and insult people, especially in His name."
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My conversion is daily.

Are you helping me with the speck in my eye or simply casting the first stone? "

CrowWoman wrote on May 26, 2009 10:26 PM:

" "Are you helping me with the speck in my eye or simply casting the first stone?"

Neither. "

shumphreys wrote on May 27, 2009 7:40 AM:

" Sorry 7X I don't hate Christians, others have made that statement before and it just doesn't work. I am against the abuse and misuse of Christianity to promote fear and hate and justify the persecution of those that are different. Christianity and Christians don't have to be hateful, intolerant, self-centered people-- Christianity can be about peace and respect for ALL-- it all depends on what YOU decide to do with the teachings--the path of fear and hate or a path of peace and love. "

shumphreys wrote on May 27, 2009 7:45 AM:

" Oh and 7X ones marital status, gender, sexual orientation, wealth, social status, religion or lack therof has NOTHING to do with the validity/TRUTH of their arguments and teachings, you have demonstrated that point quite clearly. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 27, 2009 8:43 AM:

" And how about that fine example of a Christian, the Reverend Fred Phelps. He preaches a cruder version of Christianity as does our friend Vanatta, he's just more honest with his feelings. "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 27, 2009 8:49 AM:

" "Neither."
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Then what's the third option CW? "

7X6Z9 wrote on May 27, 2009 8:59 AM:

" "Oh and 7X ones marital status, gender, sexual orientation, wealth, social status, religion or lack therof has NOTHING to do with the validity/TRUTH of their arguments and teachings, you have demonstrated that point quite clearly."
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It does when you are proselytizing the issue of gay "marriage" and attacking Christians for not accepting active homosexuality as a moral lifestyle.

And I might note for The Question, Ms Humphreys misspelled "therof".

According to the standard put to me in here, the intellectual value of her statement is now rendered null and void apparently. However, I will not hold you to any such juvenile precepts Ms Humphreys, because I do not hate you. "

just wondering wrote on May 27, 2009 10:54 AM:

" Becky, you need to learn how to read. I have wished no one any wrong. And you are right I am not the one to judge. I am just telling you how it is. And anyone who can read or listen should understand what it takes to get to Heaven. It is there for all to see. As far as "basic" Christianity as you put it, from reading your post hear and other places, you seem to have your own twisted view. Learn a little bit about it before harping at me. "

shumphreys wrote on May 27, 2009 12:16 PM:

" Mr. 7X NO one here cares whether you and other Christians are practicing heterosexuals or homosexuals. The reality is that if they don't want to live the "homosexual lifestyle" they don't have to BUT they don't have any right to force their lifestyle choice on others. If you think homosexuality is "immoral" that is your option BUT as I have shown the Bible does not endorse that opinion. AND the Bible also makes it quite clear that YOU should not condemn those who do. That is what the message let he who is without sin cast the first stone.AND as I and others have shown Christians have done some pretty immoral things over the years,persecuting homosexuals by calling them sinners and by denying them their God given rights to marry and to live their lives free from fear and hate, is just another in their long list of sins against God and mankind. "

Becky wrote on May 27, 2009 12:19 PM:

" The separation of church and state is one of the most important ideas to ever be established. With that, the state has no authority to dispense religeous idealism into law. Those of you whose religeous beliefs don't believe in homosexual marriage, fine, don't marry someone of the same sex. Even churches have the right to refuse to marry same sex couples. But, the state does NOT have the right to refuse 2 adult citizens the right to legal documents protecting their personal assets. That's what a state's marriage license does. It legally allows the marriage partner rights to the other partners personal/business assets. Therefore, any government entity refusing basic marriage rights to legal, adult citizens should not even be considered legal. What 2 consenting adults doing bedrooms should not determine legality in the courtroom. "

CHILL! wrote on May 27, 2009 12:33 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on May 27, 2009 7:40 AM:
" Sorry 7X I don't hate Christians, others have made that statement before and it just doesn't work. I am against the abuse and misuse of Christianity to promote fear and hate and justify the persecution of those that are different. Christianity and Christians don't have to be hateful, intolerant, self-centered people-- Christianity can be about peace and respect for ALL-- it all depends on what YOU decide to do with the teachings--the path of fear and hate or a path of peace and love. "

shumphreys you seem to be a broken record. You are the most hateful, intolerant and self-centered person on these threads.

It's quite a good story you tell, but that is all, a story.
Do not keep holding others accountable for your own shortcomings.

Lets see YOU put into practice your path of peace and love, tolerance, and respect for all. But please, stop claiming these things until you live them. "

shumphreys wrote on May 27, 2009 5:06 PM:

" Chill you need to chill out. Your hate overwhelms you. As long as there is intolerance in this world I will speakout against it. It is the moral thing to do. "

just wondering wrote on May 27, 2009 5:54 PM:

" The words separation of church and state appear nowhere in the constitution or any other document in our country, Becky. And Susan you haven't proven diddly about the Bible not condemming homosexuality. You hear and see only what you want to in your own little world. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 27, 2009 5:55 PM:

" You know Susan, I've noticed that those that seem to hate the most accuse others of that. And not to sound like a broken record, but it seems to be those that have a tendency to preach on here are the worst.

I got a kick out of Chill's comments. He/she does the very thing in a post that she accuses you of. What's that old saying? There are none so blind as those that cannot see, or something along those lines. "

The Question wrote on May 27, 2009 6:07 PM:

" "Amendment I - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
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That's the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights of
the United States Constitution. That's separation of
church and state. If the government may not establish ANY religion, it may not favor ANY religion. If the government may not prohibit the free exercise of conscience, it MAY NOT ENCOURAGE OR DISCOURAGE ANY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
Additionally, the body of the Constitution PROHIBITS religion from being considered in appointment to public office. THAT is separation of church and state. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 27, 2009 8:08 PM:

" "Amendment I - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

I'm with you on this one, TQ. I would imagine the often used term of separation of church and state came about as a way to shorten the above concepts. The intent seems pretty straight forward to me.

It also seems strange that someone is complaining about that, probably the same person who ignores the maintaining a militia part, when the gun nuts start raving about their constitutional rights. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 27, 2009 8:19 PM:

" Separation of church and state is just not in the Constitution. However, "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" is.
That is the free exercise of religion which includes Christianity. Congress cannot prohibit the free exercise of Christianity and neither can the courts. Spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ is the free exercise of Christianity. That would be Bible reading anywhere you want to, praying in Jesus name anywhere you want to, and witnessing to others about the saving grace of Jesus Chris anywhere and anytime. That is final and what our founders intended. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 27, 2009 8:39 PM:

" You imagine wrong Potter the term "came from a letter Jefferson wrote to the Baptist Church in Danbury, Connecticut, Explaining that there was a wall between them and the newly formed government protecting them from the government. If anyone doubts go to this website.

http://www.earstohear.net/Separation/letter.html "

Forgiven wrote on May 27, 2009 10:22 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on May 27, 2009 5:06 PM:
" Chill you need to chill out. Your hate overwhelms you. As long as there is intolerance in this world I will speakout against it. It is the moral thing to do. "

No Susan, the moral thing to do would be to speak out against yourself! CHILL is right on! "

shumphreys wrote on May 28, 2009 8:45 AM:

" Mr. Vanatta "free exercise" also means the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Muslims, the Jews, the Wiccans, the Atheists ALSO have the right to read their sacred texts wherever they want, to have their sacred sayings carved in stone over public monuments, to spread the word of their teachings wherever and whenever they choose, to have their sacred texts taught in public schools, to place their laws on monuments in court houses........... The issue becomes one of what happens when one persons rights interfere with another persons rights and our founding fathers had the foresight to think of that problem. They wrote into the opening statement of the Constitution: "In order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility,...... Sometimes in order to insure that tranquility common middle ground has to be found that protects/insures the rights of ALL. "

shumphreys wrote on May 28, 2009 8:53 AM:

" JW of course I have proved my point, NO one and I mean NO one has discredited my points. Folks have tried to discredit me but it doesn't work, I have far too tough of a hide for such pettiness. I presented 5 points in my original letter and addressed the legitimate question about Sodom and Gomorrah in a second letter. Take the points one at a time and point out where and how they are wrong, document your sources. 1. God, the Bible and the majority also sanctioned slavery (and polygamy, and stoning to death adulterers). A minority of compassionate, courageous and wise people realized that slavery of any kind was immoral, as they have realized that homosexuality (caused by a combination of biologic, environmental and cognitive factors) is natural and is not immoral, showing that God, the majority and the Bible can be wrong." "

just wondering wrote on May 28, 2009 9:25 AM:

" I am not surprised about your comment on hate, Harry. But I do think it is interesting for you and your buddies to spout your hate and you not object to that. People like the question have spewed more venom than a den of cobras, but no objections from you. I guess hate is determined by what side of the fence you are on. You folks speak of tolerance all the time, but practice none of it yourself. You object to other folks speaking out against Obama and his policies. We learned that from you. After the last several years of reading you and your buddies' posts, we just thought that was the way you were supposed to talk about the president. Like the bumper sticker says, I will show your president the same respect you showed mine. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 28, 2009 10:14 AM:

" Sorry Jon, but you never give objective web sites for references. After those bogus sites you tried to use to support the fibs you told about Planned Parenthood, you've lost all credibility. "

shumphreys wrote on May 28, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Forgiven you and Chill and several others haven't a moral leg to stand on. The only way to fight intolerance is to speak out against it. Pretending it doesn't exist or insisting it isn't polite to speak out is condoning it. From the beginning I have made one clear statement, it isn't what you blieve, what church you follow or whether you follow any ALL that matters are your actions towards your fellow man ALL of them especially those that are different. YOU and those like you think you/they have the right to persecute homosexuals, people of other religious beliefs, women who have an abortion. I don't. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 28, 2009 1:20 PM:

" Potter, the sheer number of those websites means they are not bogus, just face it. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 28, 2009 2:03 PM:

" You imagine wrong Potter...

It wouldn't be the first time, Jon. Can you say the same thing? "

shumphreys wrote on May 28, 2009 3:17 PM:

" Mr. Vanatta the "sheer numbers" of web sites proves nothing. Truth/factual information isn't up for popular vote. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 28, 2009 3:18 PM:

" Potter, the sheer number of those websites means they are not bogus, just face it. "

So I guess your saying they have to be legit if they're enough of them, huh? You are hilarious, my friend... Your posts always give me a good laugh. Thanks! "

cd wrote on May 28, 2009 6:59 PM:

" The Question wrote on May 22, 2009 7:20 AM:

" Religion has some meaning on the psychological and symbolic level. But on the literal and factual level, religion is simply BS. That is why religious fundamentalists everywhere are always wrong about everything. "
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The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of fools is deception. (Proverbs 14:8).

A fools lips bring him strife and his mouth invites a beating. (Proverbs 18:6).

(Ps 74:10) How long, O God, will the adversary revile, And the enemy spurn Your name forever?

The one who despises the word will be in debt to it, but the one who fears the commandment will be rewarded. Prov. 13:13. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 28, 2009 9:50 PM:

" Sorry humphreys and potter your waffeling don't cut it. If the only way to get your point of view that Planned Parenthood is not criminal is to go to their own website of course they won't incriminate themselves. The evidence of their criminal behavior is overwhelming and in the news. "

The Question wrote on May 29, 2009 5:56 AM:

" Atheists and skeptics do not claim to have absolute certainty of anything -- only religious people make that claim. All that freethinkers point out is the astronomically high probability that Jehovah doesn't exist and that Jesus stayed dead and that you should live your life free of the superstitions and purportedly moral constraints attached to such mythical entities, just as you live your life with the same functional certainty that Zeus is not going to come to Charleston in the form of a swan or a bull or a shower of light and impregnate young women at EIU. "

shumphreys wrote on May 29, 2009 7:24 AM:

" Thanks CD for supporting my position, your day to day actions are all that matter, "The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways...." "

shumphreys wrote on May 29, 2009 1:03 PM:

" No Mr. Vanatta there is NOTHING in the news about criminal behavior at Planned Parenthood. That is an outright lie. The places you read that garbage are not NEWS sources, they don't report actual happenings, they create stories to push their agenda. And I repeat Mr. Vanatta if they consider themselves Christians, they and you are not to "bear false witness." Which means tell lies. "

M wrote on May 29, 2009 7:16 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on May 29, 2009 1:03 PM:
" No Mr. Vanatta there is NOTHING in the news about criminal behavior at Planned Parenthood. That is an outright lie. The places you read that garbage are not NEWS sources, they don't report actual happenings, they create stories to push their agenda.

Someone should tell shumphries to look up Lila Rose, 20 yr old UCLA student, on the internet. Then maybe she would understand that she shouldn't make stupid statements like the previous one. The last time I checked, video evidence is pretty cut & dried. Planned Parenthood is nervous on this one and rightly so. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 29, 2009 7:43 PM:

" Perhaps Vanatta will tell us about a news service that actually reported that PPH committed any criminal actions. How about it, Jon?

I honestly don't recall any reports of that happening, although I do recall a few years ago several cases where some religious fanatics bombed some abortion clinics and tried to murder some doctors who performed abortions. It looks like most of the criminal actions were on the part of the anti-abortion bunch, Jon.

I repeat, a real news service and not one of those slanted web sites that you get all of your information from. I'm betting you can't do it. "

shumphreys wrote on May 29, 2009 8:38 PM:

" Ah yes M that is a real impartial "news" source reporting for faux news and the o'reilly show. I wouldn't put any money on the veracity of the story or the video if I were you. "

shumphreys wrote on May 29, 2009 8:40 PM:

" Oh and M if there is anything to it it will comeout on CBS, NBC, ABC and the NewsHour on PBS. They do generally (though not always) check for veracity before reporting the "news". "

M wrote on May 29, 2009 9:23 PM:

" I don't care WHO reported it, shumphrey's....it happened and the video proves that. Just because you support PP doesn't mean that they are perfect. Right now they are scrambling and if they would've just admitted that they have (or even had) employees dismissing the law then it would be a different story. The fact is that they are doing what you like to do...twist sh*t around to form it to their needs. And shumphrey's, have you ever heard of a story being buried because it may make someone powerful (PP in this instance) look bad? Well, even if you claim you haven't it is irrelevant because it does happen. "

M wrote on May 29, 2009 9:42 PM:

" I feel I should add that I actually agree that Fox tends to be overly dramatic and theatrical. I took that into account when I looked for the story on the internet but the video can't be discredited just because Fox/faux news reported on it. Even if the girl does have an agenda the fact remains the same...PP representatives completely disregarded the law. I can not believe it was an isolated incident either. No way that one rep of PP did that and got caught the one and only time ever doing it?? Nope. Business as usual. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 29, 2009 10:22 PM:

" CBS NBC CNN PBS ABC are all biased and slant their new stories to protect the left. They wouldn't report anything negative about PP even though they have it that is a well known fact. That is why Fox News is the most highly watched and the highest in the ratings. Most people want fair and balanced news reporting. Fox has as many liberals on as conservatives. Fox does not cover up for Planned Parenthood. When do you ever see CBS NBC CNN PBS give a conservative viewpoint on anything unless it is in some way to ridicule. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 29, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Here is a perfect example of how abc reports it. They paint Lila Rose as the trouble maker for blowing the whistle. They don't even report the results of her investigation.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7696192

All the other mainline networks are the same they don't report the news they control the news. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 29, 2009 10:56 PM:

" Fox is finally starting to report on the birth certificate or I should say lack of. Murdock must have finally seen the light to let them report it. And now the billboard are being put up. Transparency promised by Obama where is it? "

what? wrote on May 29, 2009 11:42 PM:

" Joshua at the battle of Jericho. And the walls came tumbling down. Praise God. Then they killed every living thing in the city, men, women, children, animals, every living thing, save a harlot and her family who had aided and abetted their spies. Praise the Lord. "

The Question wrote on May 30, 2009 5:28 AM:

" It's Murdoch, Vanatta, and he's a lying Republican propagandist. Remember the important issue of the Obamas' "terrorist fist bump" that was reported on the Fox News cesspool? "

The Question wrote on May 30, 2009 5:31 AM:

" Do you recall that Fox "News" is the organization that presented a graphic showing that the Lincoln-Douglas Debates were between Abraham Lincoln and the black abolitionist Frederick Douglass?
Do you recall that Fox "News" is the organization that changed Congressman Mark Foley's party affiliation from Republican to Democratic after it was inescapably confirmed that Foley was sexually soliciting teenage male pages in Congress?
Do you recall that Fox "News" star Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed that WWII U.S. troops had committed atrocities at Malmedy as an attempt to justify contemporary atrocities by U.S. troops, then had Malmedy changed to "Normandy" in the transcript in a clumsy attempt to cover up his tracks?
Do you recall that Fox "News" pundit Liz Trotta, while discussing the idea of assassinating Osama Bin Laden and Barack Obama, said, "Well ... both, if we could!," then laughed happily.
Fox News displays this open contempt for facts because it is a fascist propaganda machine, and I mean that literally. Fox does not practice journalism. It SUBVERTS journalism. It is the Fourth Estate's Fifth Column.
As Joseph Goebbels observed, "It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is, in fact, a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded to clothe ideas in disguise."
In a world now ruined by the Bush-Republican policies for which the Fox News served as cheerleader, THAT is the mission of Fox "News." "

Harry Potter wrote on May 30, 2009 6:38 AM:

" Fox has as many liberals on as conservatives.

Yeah right, and the earth is only 6000 years old too.

Your views on this issue are about as warped as your views on religion, Jon.

Any day now I expect to hear you start quoting Rush Limbaugh. He would make an excellent "source" for your facts. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 30, 2009 3:47 PM:

" President Obama, vowing to succeed in health care reform where President Clinton failed, claimed progress in early May after a meeting with industry officials, who seemed open to his call to reduce spending by $2 trillion over 10 years.

But a major new national attack-ad campaign has the potential to put a dent in Obama's plans, with millions of dollars coming from one of the backers of the "Swift Boat" attacks that wounded John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.

Conservatives for Patients' Rights, founded by multimillionaire investor and former hospital chief executive Rick Scott, began this week airing a 30-minute infomercial on some cable networks warning Americans of a health care takeover.
Fox news-

Ah yes, wee all remember the Swift Boat Liars, and how about everything they claimed turned out to be total fabrications.

And I find it interesting that Fox omitted the fact that Rick Scott was thrown out of his hospital position when it was discovered that his company, under his direction, was fraudulently billing Medicare and wound up paying one of the largest health care related fines in history. Oh yeah, this guy has credibility.

Gee I wonder why that got left out of Fox's fair and balanced report? If he were a liberal Dem and had a barber who got a speeding ticket 30 years ago, they would have included it in the article. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on May 30, 2009 9:09 PM:

" As a matter of fact potter Limbaugh has got almost everything figured out right as close as anyone ther is. You would be wise to pay him some heed because he has it much more right than Brian Williams or Katie Couric, or Charlie Gibson. These folks are not reporters but commentators posing as reporters all with a bias. I'll take Rush he is what he is a commentator worth listening to.

Yes I believe you are starting to get it that the earth was created about 6000 years ago and then reshaped by a major catastrophic world wide flood. What would you expect to see if that is true? Well actually just what we do see in the worldwide geological and fossil evidence. It's amazing how it bears out the truth! "

what? wrote on May 31, 2009 12:34 AM:

" Anybody with any sense don't need told what the story is. Go on now, please yourself. "

Harry Potter wrote on May 31, 2009 8:39 PM:

" How shocking! (not really) Vanatta is a ditto head. lol! "

jrussell wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Harry does 7x6z9 sound a bit familiar to you lol, if i didn't know any better I'd say our old blue dog found a new bite "

CrowWoman wrote on Jun 3, 2009 3:28 PM:

" "Harry does 7x6z9 sound a bit familiar to you lol, if i didn't know any better I'd say our old blue dog found a new bite."

I'm not Harry, but I was thinking the same thing. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jun 8, 2009 11:29 AM:

" jrussell wrote on Jun 3, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Harry does 7x6z9 sound a bit familiar to you lol, if i didn't know any better I'd say our old blue dog found a new bite "

Yup...

Same old style and arguments, just under another handle in a long list of names he's used. I did mention this on another thread when our friend 7X first showed up. I think he's staying away from the political threads in an attempt to disguise himself. If he stays around for a while he won't be able to resist them.

I didn't respond earlier because like most people I have a tendency to forget about the archived threads. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Jun 8, 2009 11:45 AM:

" LOL Crow Woman I was thinking it sounded way more like jrussell.
You remember how intensely jrussell would attack BDD for his personal info??
I have seen 7x do the exact same thing to Susan, and just about as relentlessly. "