" Unlike the corrupt ape your party appointed to wreck the nation, Miller, Obama is extremely popular and intelligent. That really burns your toast, doesn't it, MIller? By the way, Miller, that's "President Obama" to you. Get used to saying it.
Whatever his flaws, Obama is light years smarter, more honest and more compassionate than any presidential candidate offered by the Republican Party in this century. There is literally no contest. For years you right wingers worshipped Bush while his corruption and lies systematically brought this nation to ruin. For years, you right wingers lectured us about how, despite all the glaring evidence to the contrary, your simian savior was as smart as Lincoln and as brave as Batman, and meant what he said and said what he meant. You assured us that, just as Bush claimed, the voice of God spoke through him, and gave him those infallible gut instincts and whims that he used to govern so wisely.
And yet, for a long time now, you have been terribly quiet about that. I haven't heard you right wingers review your simian savior's great qualities in a long, long time. I'm afraid they are starting to fade in my mind. List them again for me, please. I'd love to hear them. "

" Author and former Republican Frank Schaeffer said, "You Republicans are the arsonists who burned down our national home. You combined the failed ideologies of the Religious Right, so-called free market deregulation and the Neoconservative love of war to light a fire that has consumed America. Now you have the nerve to criticize the 'architect' America just hired - President Obama - to rebuild from the ashes. You do nothing constructive, just try to hinder the one person willing and able to fix the mess you created. The worsening economic situation is your fault and your fault alone. The Republicans created this mess through eight years of backing the worst president in our history and now, because you put partisan ideology ahead of the good of our country, you have blown your last chance to redeem yourselves. You deserve the banishment to the political wilderness that awaits all traitors."
At long last, an honest Republican. Well, an ex-Republican, which amounts to the same thing. "

" The Obama bashers just can't to get over the fact that he won. Don't worry Leonidas, there will be another election in 3 and a half years and your side will get another chance. Who knows, perhaps you will even get a chance to vote for Palin, that is if she can survive all the new ethics allegations she seems to be facing on a daily basis. If not, there's always that intellectual giant Joe the Plunger who seems willing to lead the Republicans out of darkness, or Rush Limbaugh, that is if he can manage to keep off of drugs long enough and can refrain from making his boy-land visits to the islands. "

" What the Obama haters can't get over is not that Obama won, but he won on little more than personality and money. Obama charmed his way into the White House with out any real idea of what he was going to do once he got there, and he threw enough money into his campaign to allow him to keep charming people until the end.

There are still many people who refuse to be blinded by Obama's charisma. There are many who realize how dangerous someone like Obama can be, and given the serious concerns over his past, his campaign finances, etc that have arisen but never addressed it increases many people's fear of him and what he is going to do, and they wonder what his real agenda is.

Many people need to take the blinders off and stop this automatic defensiveness they seem to have any time someone dares question or criticize Obama. Instead they need to at least acknowledge that others see thing they don't and at the very least keep an open mind that maybe all is not as those in DC would like for us to believe. "

" Mr. Miller.....you and jack pierce need to start a card club. time much better spent. "

" hmmmmm.....job approval at almost 70%, yep, id'd say he's a complete failure.

ROFLMAO!!! "

" The Democratic Party is deeply compromised, but is sometimes benign. The events of the last several years have demonstrated to the world that the Republican Party is purely malignant. If left to its own devices, the Republican Party would, in short order, destroy the Constitution, civil liberties, privacy, journalism, public education, scientific inquiry, the world economy, the American middle class and the lives of millions of people in wars of choice and aggression. That last GOP gang came close to many of those consequences, in part through their inbred taste for tyranny and in part through sheer, blundering, short-sighted, self-satisfied incompetence.
John Dean warned Nixon of a cancer on the presidency. We now have a cancer on the American body politic, and it is the Republican Party. "

" Funny how all the George Bush fans have have all become fiscal conservatives now that their free spending hero is out of office. Eight years of total silence from them, and now they can't shut up. "

" hmmmmm.....job approval at almost 70%, yep, id'd say he's a complete failure.


I guess that would mean that Leonidas is in the minority with his grading system, huh fb? "

" Guess we should 'trust' an administration whose budget deficit is now 4 times what it was a year ago under Bush? Whose Speaker of the House outright LIES about what she knew? And a President who derides and denigrates over 300,000 people who DARED to make their views known about where we are headed in this country? Sadly, leading this country has become a popularity contest where we choose a leader by personality because too many pay no more attention than he looks and sounds good so he must be the ONE. "

" Jim1969: They can't take the blinders off about Obama because they're still too busy calling Bush names like a bunch of 6 year olds. "

" If they carry the brand "politician' I don't trust them. Be it either Dem or Rep. They are the same dragon only with 2 heads screaming "feed me, FEED ME!" "

" ya gotta love wanda sykes! "

" http://tinyurl.com/qvoe5s

Just one of many reasons not to trust this administration. Obama's ties to ACORN.

When did wishing people dead become funny? Guess in some people's universe, not mine. "

" Sadly, leading this country has become a popularity contest where we choose a leader by personality because too many pay no more attention than he looks and sounds good so he must be the ONE. "



Let's be honest here Reddy, after 8 years of those lying scumbags Bush and Cheney, the Dems could have ran a pig, on wait the Republicans tried that, how about the Dems could have ran a horse and he would have been elected. "

" Funny how all the George Bush fans have have all become fiscal conservatives now that their free spending hero is out of office. Eight years of total silence from them, and now they can't shut up.
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Well put, Harry. "

" The Question wrote on May 11, 2009 3:53 PM:
" Funny how all the George Bush fans have have all become fiscal conservatives now that their free spending hero is out of office. Eight years of total silence from them, and now they can't shut up.
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Well put, Harry. "


Funny how all of the Bush haters who ranted about his deficit spending are suddenly ok with their guy adding a few more zeros to his deficit spending. We have a bunch of hypocrites calling everyone else hypocrites. "

" Funny how all of the Bush haters who ranted about his deficit spending are suddenly ok with their guy adding a few more zeros to his deficit spending.
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I'm far from OK with it. This kind of national debt is extremely dangerous. But you Republicans' GREED And FRAUD-RIDDEN DEREGULATION wrecked the world economy and turned these into desperate times. And you know what desperate times call for, don't you, Edward?
Come to think of it, you probably don't. Get someone to look it up for you. "

" father bob wrote on May 11, 2009 10:02 AM:
" hmmmmm.....job approval at almost 70%, yep, id'd say he's a complete failure."

Wellll... "complete" is pretty harsh, but I would have to agree he has been a disappointment. "

" "I...er...we...uhm....The President....uhm....er.....well uhm....What was the question again?

From Politico:

In his daily briefing Monday, Robert Gibbs distanced the president from comedian Wanda Sykes joke comparing Rush Limbaugh to a 9/11 hijacker at the White House Correspondents Association Dinner.

"I don't know how the guests get booked, Gibbs said, adding that he hadnt talked specifically with Obama about Sykes crack.

I think there are a lot of topics that are better left for serious reflection rather than comedy. I think there's no doubt 9/11 is part of that, Gibbs continued.

At the correspondents dinner, which Obama attended Saturday, Sykes blasted Limbaugh for saying he hoped Obamas administration would fail, joking: I think Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker, but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight.

Obama appeared to smile at the remark. "

" Poor widdie Wimbaugh. He and his scum audience gleefully endorse the use of TORTURE, but their FEELINGS get HURT if somebody says MEAN THINGS about them. Boo hoo. "

" TQ says: This kind of national debt is extremely dangerous. But you Republicans' GREED And FRAUD-RIDDEN DEREGULATION wrecked the world economy and turned these into desperate times.

The Big Takover/Rolling Stones magazine:


"But in the late Nineties, a few years before Cassano took over AIGFP, all that changed. The Democrats, tired of getting slaughtered in the fundraising arena by Republicans, decided to throw off their old reliance on unions and interest groups and become more "business-friendly." Wall Street responded by flooding Washington with money, buying allies in both parties. In the 10-year period beginning in 1998, financial companies spent $1.7 billion on federal campaign contributions and another $3.4 billion on lobbyists."

I'm sorry TQ but the dems are just as guilty as the Reps for the deregulation that happened in the late 90's....Durbin included under Clinton's watch. "

" ed miller wrote on May 11, 2009 9:16 PM:
"Wellll... "complete" is pretty harsh, but I would have to agree he has been a disappointment. """"""


psssst....hey eddie, no one cares. "

" father bob wrote on May 12, 2009 9:22 AM:
" psssst....hey eddie, no one cares. "

I know. that's the problem. "

" I'm sorry TQ but the dems are just as guilty as the Reps for the deregulation that happened in the late 90's....Durbin included under Clinton's watch.
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Your "pox on both their houses' nonsense ignores the fact that while the Democrats are weaklings, the Republicans are a thundering, bloodsucking disaster. Some Democrats went along with financial deregulation. Republicans SCHEMED and SCREAMED for deregulation for last 50 YEARS!
As with the immoral horror of GOP-planned torture, Republicans are now attacking Democrats FOR EVER AGREEING WITH THEM. "

" Obama, in his first hundred days, ran up a larger deficit than did Bush in his first seven years. "

" Yes TQ, that's my whole point! Why do we keep voting in these inept life long millionaire politicians who haven't a clue what life's like on Main Street? Why are we all screaming for change and yet keep the DC elite in power? Why do you all insist that the ONLY CHOICE is Democrat or Republican? Why is it such a far stretch to look outside the box at other parties? Why is it so unamerican to listen to new ideas? As far as I can tell, the Dems and Reps have destroyed our way of life with their infighting, their payoffs, their sprecial interests. We need a DRASTIC change and the only way to get it is to stop letting the insiders keep the power. The definition of insanity is repeating the same actions but expecting different outcomes. I've lived, learned and listened. What we have now is broken and neither party can or is willing to do what it really takes to fix it. We need more Independants, Libertarians, Green Party candidates. We need to dethrone our American royalty and wake DC back up. Standing by party lines and fighting amonst ourselves accomplishes nothing. It only empowers those who use us against each other so they can keep stealing from the money train....and it's OUR MONEY! "

" Everyone keeps moaning about "how much" this administration is spending. Want to stop it? Call Obama on the carpet about his birth certificate, medical records, and college records, and whether or not he is a natural born American. That's the only way anything is going to stop this nonsense. If millions of people start demanding of their Congresspeople to ask Obama to produce documents and prove his citizenship to prove his eligibility to be President, then and only then, will this entire Socialist scenario change.

Conservative Americans and Republicans can complain and whine and moan all they want, but until they rise up as one unit and demand this President's eligibility--and do it forcefully--nothing will change. Americans must get on talk radio and start raising this issue over and over and over again. It can't be put on the back burner and let it be done by some other groups.

If the President is not an American, then are any of the laws and orders he signs valid? That is the question that must be asked first. Every concerned American must demand these answers and NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

" ed miller wrote on May 12, 2009 10:07 AM:
" father bob wrote on May 12, 2009 9:22 AM:
" psssst....hey eddie, no one cares. "

I know. that's the problem. """"


no, it's reality. get used to it. "

" If the President is not an American, then are any of the laws and orders he signs valid? That is the question that must be asked first. Every concerned American must demand these answers and NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "


Your argument is moot, cedric. The courts have ruled on this issue, but I doubt if Fox reported it, so you no doubt weren't aware of it.

Once again cedric, the courts have established that Obama is an American citizen, so stop whining and come up with a legitimate gripe.

And just out of curiosity, what in the heck does Obama's college grades have to do with anything. I doubt that you can graduate from Harvard with honors on C's and D's. "

" H.R. 1388 was passed, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news... just went by on the ticker tape at the bottom of the CNN screen.

Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas Refugees to the USA . This is the news that didn't make the headlines...


By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza .

The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States , was signed on January 27 and appeared in the Federal Register on February 4.

Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.

Let's review...itemized list of some of Barack Obama's most recent actions since his inauguration:

His first call to any head of state, as president, was to Mahmoud Abbas, leader of Fatah party in the Palestinian territory.
His first one-on-one television interview with any news organization was with Al Arabia television.
His first executive order was to fund/facilitate abortion(s) not just here within the U. S. , but within the world, using U. S. tax payer funds.
He ordered Guantanamo Bay closed and all military trials of detainees halted.
He ordered overseas CIA interrogation centers closed.
He withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS Cole and the "terror attack" on 9/11.
Now we learn that he is allowing hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refuges to move to, and live in, the US at American taxpayer expense.

These important, and insightful, issues are being "lost" in the blinding bail-outs and "stimulation" packages.


Doubtful? To verify this for yourself: www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488 "

" Yes TQ, that's my whole point! Why do we keep voting in these inept life long millionaire politicians who haven't a clue what life's like on Main Street? Why are we all screaming for change and yet keep the DC elite in power? Why do you all insist that the ONLY CHOICE is Democrat or Republican?
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Becky, if you can point me to a rational third party that stands a chance of winning, I'll sign on today. But you know as well as I do that the two major parties done their very best to effectively eliminate the possibility for a third party to take power. They're afraid to even debate them in the presidential debates.
Also, a third party would have to be a populist party, and that's always a loose cannon on deck. It could be a force for social reform. And it could be a force for fascism that would wipe out whatever tatters of the rule of law and the republic that are left to us.
In short, I back the lesser of two evils because there's no other plausible option now. One may arise, as the American situation continues to deteriorate, but I fear the bloodshed that will herald it. "

" I caught a brief bit of the end of the Charlie Rose show on WEIU, the guest said something like 39% (not sure I caught correct figure) of Americans are fed up with both parties. Now might be the time for a third party, call it the Centrist party, or Middleton party--something for those who are tired of the extremists on both ends. "

" "Becky, if you can point me to a rational third party that stands a chance of winning, I'll sign on today"

It's because of this attitude that nothing ever changes. Until people wake up and say they've had enough of this run around and really start backing other party candidates, nothing ever will. And yes, I voted for Perot and we are still here as a country. Imagine that. Oh, and EVERYTHING Perot warned us about is now happening. Same with Ron Paul. "

" Why do they have to have a chance of winning, TQ? I honestly was not that thrilled with Bob Barr. I voted for him mainly to voice my displeasure with the main two parties. Unfortunately, most people have the misconception that if one doesn't vote for the large parties, they are "wasting their vote". A vote for a third party is a vote against the status quo, and if more Americans did this the politicians and the MSM would take notice. "

" On the subject of the new head of the GOP, I assume most of you have seen the picture of Limbaugh jumping up and down with his arms flapping. I'm sure you can find it on YouTube. It's hilarious. There's the old drug addicted pervert acting like a cheerleader at the recent kook wing of the Republican party's little gathering. When he waves his arms it shows the exaggerated shoulder pads on his custom made size 62 portly blazer. Anyone else notice that since his last platonic wife left him how fat he's gotten. Perhaps some of you right wingers need to tell him he needs to slow down on the donuts and such. You should do that in your next fan letter, eddie. "

" I almost couldn't believe my ears this morning when I heard Rush Limbaugh mocking drug addicts. Of course he was making fun of "potheads", not those who take the stronger stuff like he was arrested for. Perhaps someone needs to tell Limbaugh that he's a drug addict too. Maybe all those years of illegally popping all of those that Oxycontin pills burned too many brain cells. He does seem to be a bit delusional at times.

All the showing of the video of that blubbering walrus of a man bouncing up and down must be taking their toll, because he was boasting about how much weight he had lost. It may be just me, but the fatter he gets the more he looks like John Wayne Gacy, and they do say he and John have similar tastes in certain areas. "

" Harry Potter wrote on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM:
Once again cedric, the courts have established that Obama is an American citizen, so stop whining and come up with a legitimate gripe.
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Well HP, turns out youre wrong.

Not a single court has established that President Obama meets the Natural-Born clause of the Constitution.

What the Courts have done- IN EVERY CASE - is to not allow the plaintiffs request to unseal his birth records (or any other other pertinent legal record).

I have no clue if he does or doesnt meet the requirements.

It does seem real strange that he chooses not to release any of his records and fights any attempt to do so.

He has spent millions of dollars defending against what every kid does who joins organized sports.

Being such a loyal Obama-ite, if you sent him an email and asked him real nice, he might just do the simple thing and release a certified copy.

That would immediately make all of his critics on this look stupid and they would lose all credibility with the people though out his reign.

You could crow about how stupid the concerned folks were forever and actually be right.

It sure sounds like a good idea all around.

But if he hasn't done this simplest of things by now, my guess is we'll never know for sure. "

" Harry, I don't see how your cruel rant making fun of an overweight, recovering former drug user advances this or any other discussion. It makes you seem petty and mean. Or, perhaps, that is just the way you are and you can't help it. "

" wooohooo!!! now eddie says he voted for bob barr!

trying to distance yourself eddie? not much fun being a loser eddie? LMAO!! hey, you can't PAY for this much comedy! "

" Bps wrote on May 13, 2009 2:08 PM:
" Harry Potter wrote on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM:
Once again cedric, the courts have established that Obama is an American citizen, so stop whining and come up with a legitimate gripe.
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Well HP, turns out youre wrong.


hey einstein....did you email the federal election commission? "

" father bob wrote on May 13, 2009 3:57 PM:
" Bps wrote on May 13, 2009 2:08 PM:
" Harry Potter wrote on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM:

hey einstein....did you email the federal election commission? "

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Nope, unlike you I take the time to actually do my own research from multiple sources (and read others responses with an open mind).

Take the time to find and research the cases as filled and the decisions rendered and you would see facts. Gosh, you could actually make an informed decision.

Then you wouldnt just spout talking points and dismiss others opinions out of hand.

Maybe then we could actually have an open and honest discussion.

Naw thats probably more than we should hope for. "

" shumphreys wrote on May 13, 2009 7:07 AM:
" I caught a brief bit of the end of the Charlie Rose show on WEIU, the guest said something like 39% (not sure I caught correct figure) of Americans are fed up with both parties. Now might be the time for a third party, call it the Centrist party, or Middleton party--something for those who are tired of the extremists on both ends.
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This would be a great thing for the country.

To actually have a real choice between todays two-parties.

As I have posted here many times, we need to throw out all incumbents from both parties and start with a fresh slate of people.

The real irony to this would be the Republican Party was actually a third party that was formed by factions from the Wigs, Northern Democrats, and a few other minor parties who were disgruntled with the then parties.

The partys core concept was opposing the spread of slavery.

This will probably draw several negative remarks, but we might be seeing the same type of thing in the Tea bag movements going on across the country.

Almost all of what I saw was very party neutral, but with strong conservative principles (like returning to the Constitution. "

" Bps wrote on May 13, 2009 4:39 PM:
"Maybe then we could actually have an open and honest discussion.

Naw thats probably more than we should hope for. """""



if it's not TOO over the top for you, perhaps you might try to rationalize.

now, if you were running for the nomination of president of the united states, do you just suppose the federal election commission would require you to provide documentation supporting your qualifications to run for office as outlined specifically by article II of the constitution of the united states?

if you have proof that the process was sidestepped, please feel free to reveal this information to the rest of us....the freedom of the country and the future of the world itself rests on YOUR shoulders.....we await. "

" father bob wrote on May 13, 2009 5:32 PM:
If it's not TOO over the top for you, perhaps you might try to rationalize.

now, if you were running for the nomination of president of the united states, do you just suppose the federal election commission would require you to provide documentation supporting your qualifications to run for office as outlined specifically by article II of the constitution of the united states?

if you have proof that the process was sidestepped, please feel free to reveal this information to the rest of us....the freedom of the country and the future of the world itself rests on YOUR shoulders.....we await. "
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To the rest of you I apologize for the length of this post but because FB asked so nicely and it is a complex issue, I am obliged to provide the following for your perusal:

FB to your first point do you just suppose the federal election commission would require you to provide documentation supporting your qualifications to run for office as outlined specifically by article II of the constitution of the united states?

Federal Election Commission:

In 1975, Congress created the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) - the statute that governs the financing of federal elections. The duties of the FEC, which is an independent regulatory agency, are to disclose campaign finance information, to enforce the provisions of the law such as the limits and prohibitions on contributions, and to oversee the public funding of Presidential elections.
Source: http://www.fec.gov/about.shtml

As clearly stated on the commissions home page- the FEC is only concerned with the enforcement of the FECA rules in regards to campaign finances and has absolutely nothing to do with the constitutional requirements for the office of president.

Oh, as to your assertion that the US Constitution, Article II, Section 1 outlines the FEC as the agent to verify such, it doesnt.

You see the Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787 and the FEC didnt come into being until 1975.

SO YES, THE FEC DIDNT DO ONE DARN THING TO VERIFY IF PRESIDENT OBAMA MEETS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OFFICE.

Now, on to your next point if you have proof that the process was sidestepped, please feel free to reveal this information to the rest of us

(Ill ignore the rest of your satirical and demeaning comment)

Lets look at the actual wording of the governing Article and Section that we are discussing and see if it specifies an exact process of verification:

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

GUESS WHAT FB, THE CONSTITUTION DOESN'T SPECIFCY A PROCESS THUS ALL THE HUBBUB OVER THIS.

SO AS FAR AS ANY PROOF THAT THE PROCESS WAS SIDESTEPPED, IN EFFECT THERE WAS NO PROCESS TO FOLLOW SO NONE COULD BE SIDESTEPPED.

Therefore it is impossible to prove or disprove.

But to the real point of his eligibility, this quote says it best:

Lawyers who have examined the topic say there is not just confusion about the provision itself, but uncertainty about who would have the legal standing to challenge a candidate on such grounds, what form a challenge could take and whether it would have to wait until after the election or could be made at any time.

Source: McCains Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out

Link- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html?_r=1

FB, the same types of questions was raised about Mr. McCains status because he was born in the Canal Zone to Two American Parents.

Since he didnt win, the questions about him are moot. Quite frankly it is most likely he would have been challenged in the same manner if he would have won.

There is no public evidence that at any stage did the Democrat Party, any State Election Certification Board or the Electoral College required ANY verification or proof of President Obamas status as a Natural Born Citizen.

NO VERIFICATION OR CERTIFICATION WAS PERFORMED BY ANY OFFICIAL BODY.

FB, this is why there have been multiple cases filed to force the one simple act that could end all this- the release of a CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE from the official records.

What I find sad is this President who has stated multiple times he wants transparency in his administration, could end this by one simple request and make all the neigh sayers look like fools.

I pray to God that he is a natural born citizen and he does the simple thing and authorizes the release of a certified copy of his birth certificate that proves his eligibility.

I would hate to think that the controversy is true because if proof ever came out that it was true, it would be catastrophic to the country.

To you opening statement-If it's not TOO over the top for you, perhaps you might try to rationalize.

FB it appears that is what you did when you made your erroneous response, so apparently it was over the top for you.

Maybe you should take the time to actually try to find multiple references with different points of view, really find out the truth of a matter and have an honest dialog with others. That way you can learn and grow, not just parrot talking points or be nasty. "

" Great, Bps. Obama is not really president of the United States. Now tell us all we don't really have to pay income taxes like a good little right-wing whack job, and we can all go to bed. "

" The Question wrote on May 13, 2009 9:47 PM:
" Great, Bps. Obama is not really president of the United States. Now tell us all we don't really have to pay income taxes like a good little right-wing whack job, and we can all go to bed. "
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Actually, he was legally elected by a majority of those individuals who voted and the Electoral College also followed suit with the same decision.

As such he is President of the United States for a four year term.

As a Constitutionalist, Conservative and an Independent I most certainly give the office of President the respect it deserves even if I dont approve of the policies of the person holding the office.

I did the same for the previous President even though I disagreed with most of his spending policies and many others of his actions.

Quite frankly you cant truthfully say the same- (I have only been visiting this site since January and have read you monkey references and other such clap-trap entries).

I have read many of your past posts, so I will assume you have chosen to ignore the entire thread of the discussion between FB and myself.

FB Posted on May 12, 2009 5:08 PM:- Once again cedric, the courts have established that Obama is an American citizen, so stop whining and come up with a legitimate gripe.

This is in fact wrong as no court has ruled on if President Obama meets the Natural Born Citizen requirement and there is a significant portion of the population that questions this.

My contention was and still is that the simplest way to prove the point and make his opponents look like fools would be to simply release a Certified Copy of his Birth Certificate that proves if he is or isnt.

I hate to contemplate the catastrophe that would occur if in fact it was ever proven that he wasnt a Natural Born Citizen.

Everything he has done since he was inaugurated would be null and void and the civil unrest would be disastrous.

As to Paying Income Taxes- that power was granted to the Federal Congress when the appropriate amount of States ratified the 16th amendment in 1913.

I pay what I legally owe, no more or no less. Again, I may disapprove of the way government spends the money, but it is paid.

My last long post was addressed to FBs specific questions/points.

The facts I presented speak for themselves.

He was again wrong in his assertions just as you are in your pointless attempt at a personal attack on me.

Maybe next time you could actual present something meaningful like FB did so we could actual discuss an issue.

Just as all of us I do have my share of faults.

As far as being a Right-Wing Whack job- Ill leave that to the majority of the readers of this forum to decide which of us is the whack-job and who actually supports their positions with facts and engages in honest discussions. "

" BW wrote on May 13, 2009 2:16 PM:

" Harry, I don't see how your cruel rant making fun of an overweight, recovering former drug user advances this or any other discussion. It makes you seem petty and mean. Or, perhaps, that is just the way you are and you can't help it. "



Glad to see you're enjoying my Limbaugh comments, BW. I have more for your pleasure. Say tuned.

I do like that you seem to have no complaints about the treatment the top guy in the Democratic party gets so much flak. I'm just giving the head of the GOP his share. I'll bet you're a ditto head. lol!

PS, you can always skip over my posts if you like, no one is forcing you to read them. But I know that you will. Who knows, perhaps you just can't help it. "

" Harry, I'm not defending Limbaugh, I am commenting on the rudeness and mean-spiritedness of most of your posts. Can you not make a point without denigrating someone on a personal level? You're becoming an example of weakness of intellect by constantly resorting to "playground taunts". "

" All Obama needs to do is employ a couple of Bush Justice Department lawyers, Bps. They can quickly produce certified documentation that he was born on the Moon, if you like. "

" Thanks to Dick Cheney's latest talk show antics, the thing he and George will best be remembered is torture. Keep it up Dick, you're helping to insure the Bush/Cheney legacy, and in the process making yourself look like the corrupt idiot most of us thought all along. There is a reason that so many see Cheney as the worst VP in history, even worse than Spiro Agnew. "

" Rush Limbaugh is fat, lying, drug-addicted, racist, fascist scum, BW. Harry is merely describing him accurately. "

" TQ (10:24 a.m.)
Thanks for reminding me. My comment to Harry is also appropriate to you, except your comments are even more mean spirited. I've checked into this site for a year or so and don't think I've ever seen you say anything nice about anyone. You must be a real joy to be around. "

" Harry, I'm not defending Limbaugh, I am commenting on the rudeness and mean-spiritedness of most of your posts. Can you not make a point without denigrating someone on a personal level? You're becoming an example of weakness of intellect by constantly resorting to "playground taunts". "

I'm merely responding to Limbaugh, who as you know does the same thing as I have been doing to him on a daily basis. Name calling, taunting and belittling is his stock in trade, but I'm sure you don't see it as that.

And again I would note that those who make similar comments about Obama don't seem to bother you. Therefore your indignation seems a bit disingenuous to say the least.

We're all entitled to our opinions, and quite frankly I couldn't care less of what you think of my posts, BW.

Oh, and you're becoming an example of someone who delights in griping about what others post. This site has a monitor that does quite well. As I've said so many times on here, if you are offended by the content, message etc of what a particular poster says, just skip over their posts. Problem solved.

But I suspect you will just continue whining when anyone says anything that you disagree with. "

" The Question wrote on May 14, 2009 8:42 AM:
" All Obama needs to do is employ a couple of Bush Justice Department lawyers, Bps. They can quickly produce certified documentation that he was born on the Moon, if you like. "
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Sadly thats true.

But they might not be available since the Fanny & Freddie bailout. You know how F&F likes to hire out of work Government hacks.

Oh, that's right the Bush guys couldn't get work there because of being Republicans.

Seems F&F hires only out of work Democrat crooks in the pauses between Democrat Administration. So the Bush guys might still be available.

He probably should stay away from the ones that Dan Rather and CBS used to phony up the Bush stuff. They must not have been worth much because that ended up getting Dan Rather demoted and his producer fired.

He would also probably want to stay away from choosing anybody from the Rose Law firm because that pesky Birth Certificate might be lost for eight years until it just magically shows up at the White House on a table in the private quarters.

Hope he has a good relationship with Sandy Berger.

Those rascally, right wing whack jobs might hire ol Sandy to make a visit to the Hawaii Hall of records.

Why that pesky document might just fall into his pants.

You know how easy that happens to poor old Sandy.

Worse still then they would be stuck with the truth instead of a forgery and that might be a problem.

Photo Shop and forgery is probably a suggested elective at most Law Schools, so his best bet would be to choose almost anyone from Congress.

Based upon how little it seems to cost the lobbyist to buy them, they should be a real bargain. "

" Bps....can you supply us with your proof of yoor citizenship? or is that a personal matter you don't wish to share with the public here on these boards?

do you not think his main opponent in the primary, hillary clinton, election officials and for that matter the courts would have ruled against the president's qualifications early on? did the courts not throw your theory out the window as being ludicrous and a waste of the court's time? is this a huge conspiracy? is obama really a radical muslim? do you suppose someone educated schooled at harvard in constitutional law wouldn't know the qualifications?

how much weed do you smoke? "

" Maybe BW is bucking for the monitor's job, TQ. I'm still betting he's a ditto head, and no doubt a big fan of Faux news..... (watch for his denial) "

" I've checked into this site for a year or so and don't think I've ever seen you say anything nice about anyone. You must be a real joy to be around.
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I'm a regular little sunbeam, sweetheart. "

" "I've checked into this site for a year or so..."
Hmm. Now that I think of it, that's usually the dead giveaway for "I'm a Doggy Doh sock puppet." "

" Sandy Berger? Are you sure you don't want to cite the misdeeds of Millard Fillmore, Bps? "

" Thanks, Harry and TQ for once again demonstrating the validity of my point. "

" Obama is the worst president in my lifetime. He's even worse than Jimmy Carter. He's a socialist halfwit and should be impeached. "

" The Question wrote on May 14, 2009 12:35 PM:
" I've checked into this site for a year or so and don't think I've ever seen you say anything nice about anyone. You must be a real joy to be around.
---
I'm a regular little sunbeam, sweetheart. """""


that's right, and our sunbeam can whip the snot outta your sunbeam!....LOL! "

" Now that we have a Democrat in the White house, Fox news has found it fashionable to criticise the government. For 8 years they did nothing but wave the flag and carry water for the White House. Hilarious. "

" BW wrote on May 14, 2009 2:28 PM:

" Thanks, Harry and TQ for once again demonstrating the validity of my point. "


I can't speak for my friend TQ, but I'm always happy to help those stumbling around in the dark. Stay tuned for a Limbaugh update. "

" Up until 5 months ago, anyone attacking the presidential office, vp, or administration was unpatriotic. Now those that made that claim, are holding 100 days to a higher standard, than they did for two full terms.

Ole GW had a masters in business from harvard, so I give his 2920+ days in office a zzzz-, for his final grade in economics. He also had 6 years of republican majority in the legislative branch, so as a lot they get a zzz-. If we used an alphabet with more than 26 carachters, a more accurate scale of completely bottoming out the scale could probably be applied.

I can't tell how much of this letter was plagerized, and what if any was the authors own words. It mentions a page 170, but lists no original source. Probably broke some rules for newspapers by printing this kind of submission. It all seems borrowed, but who knows where it came from. "

" Here's what the porcine pontiff had to say today, Harry: "Some of the rank and file, madcap insane liberals that you will find blogging, that you will find emailing, that you will find on the protest march. Their lives are basically meaningless, their addiction to power and dominance and control is what drives them."
Says the man who forces Republican politicians to grovel and abase themselves before him and kiss his One Ring of Pork. "

" Thanks, TQ. I didn't catch old Rushie today, so if you don't mind I'll consider your post as the Limbaugh update of the day that I promised our fellow poster BW.

And speaking of the most famous drug addict on the radio, did you ever notice that even though all the right wingers claim to only listen to Limbaugh
on a rare occasion, so if that's the case, why does whatever he says that day make into their posts that night? Even BW says he's not defending him, and he's merely upset over the tone of our posts. So why is he so upset over our giving Limbaugh the business? The ironic thing is that our comments are pretty tame compared to the crap Limbaugh puts out daily. He's not upset when people say the most outlandish things about any one else, especially the president. Yup, I think it's pretty obvious that BW is a ditto head.
My question is, why are all the right wingers on this site closet fans of their hero. Maybe their afraid they will have to bow down and beg for his forgiveness if they cross him like all the other Republicans, including the head of the RNC, have been forced to do when ever they dared to be critical of their "boss". "

" Harry, Never said I was upset. Just said your posts are rude and mean-spirited and demonstrate your lack of intellect. Is that simple enough for you to comprehend? If not, I'll try to type more slowly. "

" The Question wrote on May 14, 2009 12:44 PM:
" Sandy Berger? Are you sure you don't want to cite the misdeeds of Millard Fillmore, Bps? "
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TQ- what the.

Is that the best you could come up with?

Here I give you solid, satirical political humor in my reply to your questions to me and all you come up with this gem.

Have you no shame. Wasnt it bad enough that the poor guy was from the Whig party and was only president because the elected president died?

He did such a poor job as president he couldnt even win the nomination of his own party to run for a second term.

Common- there are enough crooks, thieves and liars in both parties that we could have kept this string going forever. "

" BW wrote on May 14, 2009 7:42 PM:

" Harry, Never said I was upset. Just said your posts are rude and mean-spirited and demonstrate your lack of intellect. Is that simple enough for you to comprehend? If not, I'll try to type more slowly.


Does this mean you don't want to join my fan club, BW?

I'm so hurt.... "

" Not satisfied to just bash John McCain, I see where Limbaugh is publicly bashing McCain's 97 year old mother. Has this man no shame? Is the unofficial head of the GOP back on illegal drugs again, or is he just rude and mean spirited? "

" father bob wrote on May 14, 2009 12:24 PM:
" Bps....can you supply us with your proof of yoor citizenship? or is that a personal matter you don't wish to share with the public here on these boards?

do you not think his main opponent in the primary, hillary clinton, election officials and for that matter the courts would have ruled against the president's qualifications early on? did the courts not throw your theory out the window as being ludicrous and a waste of the court's time? is this a huge conspiracy? is obama really a radical muslim? do you suppose someone educated schooled at harvard in constitutional law wouldn't know the qualifications?

how much weed do you smoke? "
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What is this fixation you have on getting others to disclose private information about themselves here on this forum?

A few months back I watched you and one of your previous troll buddies badger posters to death over this type of thing.

You got some kind of identity theft scam going or what?

It has been the law for many years that employers have to request and receive proof of eligibility to work documents for all their employees and supply a Form I-9.

Since I am a US citizen I provide my Passport and birth certificate to a new contract employer about every three years.

Since you seem to get so easily confused over basic civics (like in your FEC misstatement), I suppose you really meant to say proof of being a Natural Born Citizen.

Yes, if I was running for president I could and I would provide a certified birth certificate just to remove all doubt that I fulfilled the Constitutional requirement.

I would visit the court house and plop down my own money to have them send a certified and sealed paper copy to the Senate, House, and the Electoral College just to remove any potential confusion from the citizens.

The Presidents records have been sealed for a long time. For anybody to reveal this sealed information would mean they obtained it illegally which would taint it for the majority of media and citizens.

Your allegations against poor Hillary Clinton- that she would stoop so low as to reveal illegally obtained and damaging personal information about her worthy opponents is just beyond belief. I refuse to dignify it with an answer. :-)

As far as your continued references to the courts-

So far in ever case, the courts have ruled that the person or persons bringing the suit to unseal President Obamas records dont have standing to bring the suit.

None have as yet ruled on the merit of the case presented or actually reviewed any records.

You seem to keep confusing having a degree from a prestigious University as somehow bestowing morals on the degree holder.

In fact all it means is that the individual passed the requisite class work and satisfied the educational institutions standards.

Being smart enough to know the law doesnt mean you have the good sense or the morals to follow the law.

Look at all of the highly educated politicians from both parties that have failed basic life morality 101 to see this as a fact.

As far as the rest of your red herrings- let me cut to the meat of my argument (pardon my cut & paste):

My contention was and still is that the simplest way to prove the point and make his opponents look like fools would be to simply release a Certified Copy of his Birth Certificate that proves he is a Natural Born Citizen.

I hate to contemplate the catastrophe that would occur if in fact it was ever proven that he was not a Natural Born Citizen.

Everything he has done since he was inaugurated would be null and void and the civil unrest would be disastrous.

As far as your - how much weed do you smoke?

Although I appreciate that times are tuff and applaud your entrepreneurial spirit to expand your sales, I really feel I should warn you that your trolling for new customers on this public site might be frowned upon by the LEOs who visit here. "

" Everything he has done since he was inaugurated would be null and void and the civil unrest would be disastrous.


It ain't gonna happen, Obama is the elected president, so stop your whining and get over it! Maybe you need to go back to the old he's really a Muslim argument. "

" Gettum Bps, "

" Harry Potter wrote on May 15, 2009 7:10 AM:
" Everything he has done since he was inaugurated would be null and void and the civil unrest would be disastrous.

It ain't gonna happen, Obama is the elected president, so stop your whining and get over it! Maybe you need to go back to the old he's really a Muslim argument. "
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HP- You kidder you, chortle, snicker, ga-haw. You are such a knee slapper.

Oh, you are actually serious???

Based upon our few previous encounters I understand that when ever you are faced with superior facts, logic or arguments you let your temper flare tsk, tsk, tsk.

Poor HP, with your constant posts all day long you must really be upset a lot. Better watch out for that BP HP.

It is such a shame that you have reverted back to your more standard form- temper tantrums.

You were doing so much better in your previous replies to me in this thread.

You actually made an attempt to present facts. Granted, they were wrong, but you sure deserved an A for the effort.

Here I thought I had made a new friend.

By the way- where in my posts was I ever whining?

Where did I ever say President Obama is a Muslim?

In fact where did I ever say he isnt a bonafide Natural Born Citizen???

I know you are reading comprehension challenged so let me help you out with the answers to these questions:

Where did I ever say these things here or anywhere else- NEVER!

What I said was true and backed up by the facts.

The potential consequences I posted if the opponents contentions are true is 100% accurate.

And the simple, easy solution that would remove this distraction is also 100% true.

Mr. President, release the stupid thing like you should have done in the very beginning so this goes away.

So I guess the total is:

BPS 100% accurate, 100% factual and 100% true

HP- 0% accuracy, 0% factual and absolutely nothing but fluff. "

" ok....mr monitor, i give.... "

" Oh, you are actually serious???

Yup...

How much longer are you going to whine about this issue? How many times have the right wing kooks tried to take this issue to the courts, only to have it rejected? Like I said get over it, you're wasting your time. Obviously you like making an fool out of yourself. That's fine with me, because the more you whine about it, the more you show your foolishness.

Temper tantrums? You misunderstand, what gets me upset is when I see stupidity being posted. "

" so....Bps, let's hear about the 9/11 coverup, or perhaps apollo's lunar landing hoax, and i'm sure you have some good area 51 stories, or a few about the faux holocaust.

we'll sit back and be entertained! "

" Harry Potter wrote on May 15, 2009 4:30 PM:
"Temper tantrums? You misunderstand, what gets me upset is when I see stupidity being posted. """""




reminds me of Vanatta and BDD posting about man walking with dinosaurs and the earth being only 6000 years old. i can remember those two ranting for weeks about those two theories.

all we need now is a little yellowcake and WMD spew.... "

" In an obvious effort to distract from the Bush/Cheney torture policies, the Republicans are attempting to make Pelosi the target. Their desperation is showing. Two of their spokespersons are hitting the talk show circuit proclaiming that the CIA would never lie to congress. Congressman Banard went on camera and declared that he could not believe that the CIA would lie to congress. Interestingly enough, this clip was followed by a two year old clip of Banard complaining about how the CIA lied about the nuclear situation in Iran. That sort of puts cold water on Barnard claim. Another Senator, Graham from Florida, the CIA claimed they had briefed 4 times, but as it turns out they were wrong, they only briefed him one time. Was that a lie on the part of the CIA or merely an error? The CIA released a memo calling it an error, but only after Graham pointed out their error. For some odd reason, the Republicans aren't talking about that one.

By the way, a new poll came out today stating that 67% of Republicans wish Cheney would shut up. It looks like even the party faithful realise that he's hurting his own party in his attempt to whitewash the Bush/Cheney administration. They simply want him to go away. I want him to go away too, I would like to see him share a cell with George Ryan where the can swap stories about how much money they both made while on the taxpayers dime. "

" Based upon our few previous encounters I understand that when ever you are faced with superior facts, logic or arguments you let your temper flare tsk, tsk, tsk.


So far, I haven't seen that much of that from your side. Mostly what I see on here from the right side are Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox news tidbits and talking points.

But thanks for the laugh.... "

" father bob wrote on May 15, 2009 4:22 PM:
" ok....mr monitor, i give.... "
Harry Potter wrote on May 15, 2009 4:30 PM:
" Oh, you are actually serious???
Yup...

How much longer are you going to whine about this issue? How many times have the right wing kooks tried to take this issue to the courts, only to have it rejected? Like I said get over it, you're wasting your time. Obviously you like making an fool out of yourself. That's fine with me, because the more you whine about it, the more you show your foolishness.

Temper tantrums? You misunderstand, what gets me upset is when I see stupidity being posted. "

father bob wrote on May 15, 2009 4:31 PM:
" so....Bps, let's hear about the 9/11 coverup, or perhaps apollo's lunar landing hoax, and i'm sure you have some good area 51 stories, or a few about the faux holocaust.

we'll sit back and be entertained! "

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HP or FB or what ever other name you wish to use-

What is really tragic is in you huge volume of posts (on almost every subject here), you have admitted that you dont bother to read others posts, you have denigrated our armed service veterans, you have challenged those that disagree with you to just leave the country, you have shown total disrespect for others ideas, you have wined, complained, threatened, blustered, trolled, tried to obtain personal information, harassed and dare I say it- played the fool to the hilt.

Now you call me a whiner and accuse me of being a fool- all because I posted legitimate statements with supporting, referenced facts that disproved your assumptions, generalizations and drivel.

In responce you couldnt produce a single correct, supporting fact nor for the most part even act civilly.

My goodness, you couldnt even bother to take the time to check what so called facts you tried to use- like using your silly and dismissive FEC crack to prove a point when it had nothing to do with the subject at hand. Man, talk about making it easy to do the counter points.

To many times you provide the perfect fodder to allow me to turn your poor attempts of bluster or cruelty into legitimately funny points at your expense.

All of my posts have been respectful to the President and I only responded with facts, patience and direct counterpoints while you tried to bluster or bully your way through or directly attack me personally with meaningless red herrings (see your above three posts for perfect examples).

The only interest that I have in this question is it is a Constitutional question and an interesting study in people.

Do I have real trepidation for my country YES- because there is a very, very small chance those that are bringing the suits are right.

If so and it comes out, the country will go south in a country minute. Things are bad enough without a Constitutional crisis.

Does it cause me consternation YES- because all this President ever had to do is authorize something simple- the release of a Certified Paper Copy of his Birth Certificate from the appropriate government body.

If he had done it when the question was first raised, that would have killed the issue in an instant.

But for what ever personal reasons he didnt and he just provided one more reason for extra divisiveness that this country doesnt need

In a previous tte--tte with you on Second Amendment rights, I agreed with you that fanatics on the right or left are very, very hard to reach.

As I told you then, since you are so entrenched on the far left, it wasnt you that I was trying to reach.

It was the members with open minds and who were interested in real discussions that I hoped to sway or have honest, meaningful and open discussions to let them change my mind.

Call me an old softy but I even laid out exactly how I was anticipating your pattern and using your poor attempts as a framework for my replies.

HP or FP or what ever- Just like I did then, I thank you for again playing your part so well.

Your poorly thought out attacks allowed me to present meaningful information with its supporting linkages.

Hopefully, at least a few fellow forum members found something of interest in the content supporting my points.

I believe that you have been told this once or twice by other posters, but lets try it again-

The majority of the time you do a huge disservice to the issues or points you are trying to support when you use such personal, mean spirited and silly attacks.

When you arent playing troll you have made some valid and interesting points. But there I go again trying to help someone who does not want helped.

To the rest of the posters on this site, I am sorry that I have spent so much space feeding this particular troll and using his little flame war to present my points, but I felt his continued misstatements on this issue had to be challenged.

If in fact my little troll buddy is right and I have been playing the fool, I hope it at least gave you a chuckle or two.

To those of you who enjoyed my content or learned something new, glad to be of service.

To those who dont care, sorry to have wasted your time. "

" Harry Potter wrote on May 15, 2009 4:30 PM:
" Oh, you are actually serious???
Yup...
How much longer are you going to whine about this issue? How many times have the right wing kooks tried to take this issue to the courts, only to have it rejected? Like I said get over it, you're wasting your time. Obviously you like making an fool out of yourself. That's fine with me, because the more you whine about it, the more you show your foolishness.

Temper tantrums? You misunderstand, what gets me upset is when I see stupidity being posted. "
father bob wrote on May 15, 2009 4:31 PM:
" so....Bps, let's hear about the 9/11 coverup, or perhaps apollo's lunar landing hoax, and i'm sure you have some good area 51 stories, or a few about the faux holocaust.

we'll sit back and be entertained! "
father bob wrote on May 15, 2009 5:13 PM:
" Harry Potter wrote on May 15, 2009 4:30 PM:
"Temper tantrums? You misunderstand, what gets me upset is when I see stupidity being posted. """""

reminds me of Vanatta and BDD posting about man walking with dinosaurs and the earth being only 6000 years old. i can remember those two ranting for weeks about those two theories.

all we need now is a little yellowcake and WMD spew.... "
Harry Potter wrote on May 15, 2009 7:59 PM:
" Based upon our few previous encounters I understand that when ever you are faced with superior facts, logic or arguments you let your temper flare tsk, tsk, tsk.

So far, I haven't seen that much of that from your side. Mostly what I see on here from the right side are Limbaugh/Hannity/Fox news tidbits and talking points.

But thanks for the laugh.... "
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My, My, My 5 posts directed at little old me..

Boy I must have really hit a really tender nerve.

You hammered in thee posts trying to slam me in less than 10 minutes.

My goodness how did you keep your Member IDs straight switching back and forth so often, because as we all know- dog gonnit you sometimes dont.

But, here is a little hint- actually saying something meaningful would have been better than all that speed spewing.

You might want to engage the old grey matter the next time some other unlucky poster draws your wrath.

No, we all believe you, you were not upset in the least, really really really you werent (chortle).

What happened fbHPfbfbHP,? Here we were having a close to normal give and take, well at least as normal as it gets when you are one of the posters, and then you decide to go nuts on us.

And Here I thought we were finally finished with your silly little troll flame war that you have been directing against me on this thread.

Since you had already embarrassed yourself so badly by your poorly formed arguments, your twisted and spastic joining of a mishmash of talking point snippets, that you haphazardly cut & paste together, along with your stereotypical ranting and attempts at belittlement- a normal person would have tried to cut their losses, save at least a semblance of face and have the good sense to quit baiting a bear in its cave.

But no, you have just continued to troll-troll along.

Boy you are a glutton for embarrassing yourself.

Maybe I have just been too nice to you, since it is obvious that you have a problem with comprehension, let me be a little more direct.

I have tried to make allowances for your oblivious and almost total lack of understanding of even the basics of the few topics that have been in our common posts by providing you with the actual links to and the standard accepted definitions of the topics in discussion.

I have kindly answered each of your questions in a manner that is direct, polite and dare I say it, full of facts and links in support of my position.

I have turned some of your stupidest statements around as humor hoping you could see how silly you were being. Even though you did not get it, I am sure several people here got a very good chuckle out of it at your expense.

Of course based upon your past behavior and statements you have most probably skipped out of this post a long time ago and started composing another meaningless string of pointless personal attacks coupled with some disjointed bunch of drivel.

But just in case- what in the world do you think you prove by stringing together multiple meaningless posts totally outside the context of this thread in machine gun fashion, trying to somehow imply or attribute all of the silliness you can muster to me?

Since you can not win on the facts, what are you trying to do bury this thread in your meaningless babble?

Maybe you are trying to convince yourself just how smart you are by seer volume of posts and smears.

You can not be that deranged to actually think you do anything but destroy your credibility with even those here that support your views and ideology with these kinds of posts.

How many times do you have to be told by fellow posters that all you are doing is damaging any hope of causing anyone to take you seriously?

Well, take heart ol-master-troll and self appointed keeper of the truth.

I am sure the majority of other posters are by now as extremely bored with your twisted ranting and disjointed raving as I am.

And since I am truthful to a fault- of my long winded defenses as well

Who would thunk it- this all started just because a fellow poster (ol BPS) had the audacity to inconveniently point out the real facts with links and documentation to you contradicting your anemic attempt at logic while you were slamming poor cedrics post.

Well sleep well under your bridge tonight unofficial keeper of the leftist rant.

And, as I am sure you have heard before- Run away little troll this adult has some real work to do and is tired of your little troll games, go find some one else to bother. "

" HP or FP or what ever-

****************

Huh?

So you think father bob and I are the same person, huh? If that's the case you're ever goofier than I thought.

By the way, that last post sounded a little whiny. Feeling sorry for yourself again?

You're no different than all the others who have tried to come onto this site and direct traffic. As I've said so many times, if you don't like the tone of a particular posters messages, simply skip over them. I never fail to be amazed that some just can't accept that idea, and will continue to throw their whiney little hissy fits over what others say. "

" Obama names a Republican governor to the position of Ambassador to China. Rush ain't gonna like this. lol! "

" You cannot rely on the government for anything.

If the Government can't balance it's own budget, and Control the inflation of it's own currency, we are doomed.

It can not control corruption within it's own ranks. It is losing it's own will to maintain, and support
Its own Military, and secure America's security.

Why should we expect them do anything right?
Health Care, the Homeless, Poverty, Banks, and unemployment
Social Security, what else?..We have to quit electing millionaires to political office, because, its the golden rule:

He who has the gold, makes the rules! "

" I have one thing to say:
BPS, and Father Bob
if you want to write a novel
don't do it on a blog , geez, I fell asleep reading your B.S. Crap... "

" She is a trivial politician, viciously using partisanship for the narrowest of purposes, and she dishonors the Congress by her behavior," Gingrich also said in the blistering interview.


The above comment was made about Nancy Pelosi by Newt Gingrich, and Newt was quite possibly the most rabid partisan in the history for the House of Representatives. The same guy who was having a secret affair with another woman while he was married, and was leading the pack against Clinton over his affair at the same time. And this reprobate wants to be president, let's hope he gets the nomination, he has more baggage than Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin put together. Absolutely hilarious... "

" If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Tony Blair a set of inexpensive and useless (to Tony Blair's UK video formatting) DVDs, when Tony Blair had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?

Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 10 weeks -- so you'll have three years and nine-and-a-half months to come up with an answer. "

" Danny Boy wrote on May 16, 2009 3:43 PM:
" I have one thing to say:
BPS, and Father Bob
if you want to write a novel
don't do it on a blog , geez, I fell asleep reading your B.S. Crap... "
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You are 100% right, so I re-offer this:

Bps wrote on May 15, 2009 9:54 PM:

To the rest of the posters on this site, I am sorry that I have spent so much space feeding this particular troll and using his little flame war to present my points

----sorry to have wasted your time. "

" I used to work for a company that had a comptroller who wrote long winded memos similar to the posts of some posters on this site. Most people ignored his memos for that reason. You're right DB, some on here tend to go overboard in trying to make their point. I remember a class I took several years ago at EIU in which the instructor constantly stressed the importance of brevity.

This is not a put down of anyone, but merely a suggestion, and I will acknowledge that I have been guilty of this too.

Lastly, for Bps, I hope you don't allow anyone to discourage you from posting. This is an open forum and all posters should be welcome. It has never been my intention to "run" anyone off of this site. If that is the perception I have given, I apologise, and hope to see you continue to post your thoughts. "

" Harry Potter wrote on May 18, 2009 7:28 AM:
" I used to work for a company that had a comptroller who wrote long winded memos similar to the posts of some posters on this site. Most people ignored his memos for that reason. You're right DB, some on here tend to go overboard in trying to make their point. I remember a class I took several years ago at EIU in which the instructor constantly stressed the importance of brevity.

This is not a put down of anyone, but merely a suggestion, and I will acknowledge that I have been guilty of this too.

Lastly, for Bps, I hope you don't allow anyone to discourage you from posting. This is an open forum and all posters should be welcome. It has never been my intention to "run" anyone off of this site. If that is the perception I have given, I apologies, and hope to see you continue to post your thoughts. "

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HP- no problems on my part. I Have never run very easy from anything at anytime in my life.

I also tend to give tit-for-tat, which is not necessary a good thing.

As I said in an early post in this thread, I am truthful to a fault.

So yes, you are right I tend to be a tad bet windy at times.

Comes from the profession I have been in for 39 years. It requires an interaction between peers in a question-answer, point-counter point where the facts and arguments count big-time and can be heated.

I dont post very often on this site although I read it at least once per week.

As I have said before, I have even slipped in a complement to you on a few of your posts when I agreed with them and I will again.

I promise you, that on topics that touch my core beliefs I am sure you will see me post again.

Ta-ta and have a great week. "