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Monday, April 13, 2009 7:37 PM CDT
'TEA Party' tax protest event planned for Tuesday

By DAVE FOPAY, Staff Writer
dfopay@jg-tc.com

CHARLESTON — A rally Tuesday evening at Morton Park is part of a national movement against high taxes, the organizer says.

The event is scheduled for 5:30 to 8:30 p.m. and is being called a “TEA Party” for “Taxed Enough Already,” organizer Holly Rennels said. The Charleston resident said she learned of other, similar events taking place elsewhere and wanted to include one locally.

“It’s just a get-together where people of like minds can make a statement,” Rennels said.

The event and others like it are mostly to protest federal spending, including but not limited to recent economic stimulus legislation, Rennels said. She said part of the concern is how government spending will affect future generations.

“It’s essential to protest all this huge legislation, “she said. “It’s a protest of the exorbitant spending.”

The rally will take place in the southeast pavilion at the park and will include speakers and entertainment, Rennels said. She added that state lawmakers from the area have been invited.

The event isn’t associated with any political party or organization, Rennels said. She said she’s a former business owner and thinks that current government spending goes against sound business and economic practices.

“When a business is in trouble is not when you go out and spend more money,” she said. “It’s a very poor business model. It’s nothing anyone would promote in the business world.”

Asked about alternatives, Rennels said she favors a consumption-based tax that would lead to smaller government and the need for fewer taxes overall. If the government is providing stimulus funding it means businesses aren’t learning from their mistakes, she said.

The protest also comes at a time when Illinois is considering tax increases, Rennels said. She said there are about 1,500 “TEA Party” events scheduled across the country.

Rennels said people who attend Tuesday’s event are invited to bring dinner, and tea will be served. She said anyone with questions or wanting more information about the event can contact her by e-mail at hrennels@yahoo.com.

Contact Dave Fopay at dfopay@jg-tc.com or 238-6858.

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lefty wrote on Apr 13, 2009 8:20 AM:

" Interesting... if it is a right-wing "protest," jg-tc will report it. Left-wing... well, of course not! "

Rotty wrote on Apr 13, 2009 12:19 PM:

" Raise an eyebrow, politicians, here we come! "

The Question wrote on Apr 13, 2009 2:42 PM:

" AKA, the Loud-mouthed, Obnoxious Fools Convention. "

Collatine wrote on Apr 13, 2009 3:31 PM:

" The Question - oh come on. This is in the tradition of Henry David Thoreau, Mahatma Ghandi, and Martin Luther King, Jr. You may not agree with their message (and sometimes I roll my eyes at peaceful protesters as well), but this is a time-honored American tradition of protest, and it demeans you to simply call them names. "

BW wrote on Apr 13, 2009 4:02 PM:

" Collatine, that's about all TQ does these days. He/she never has anything good to say about anything. Terrible way to go through life. "

father bob wrote on Apr 13, 2009 4:21 PM:

" a lot of white noise on FOX NOISE regarding their in-depth coverage of the million man march, with the "tea party" coverage deserving EQUAL billing.

oooops!....the million man march was in 1995 and fox noise didn't take the air until 1996......ROFLMAO!!!! "

The Question wrote on Apr 13, 2009 4:47 PM:

" Yes, tax cuts will certainly cure the worldwide Depression, won't they? Welcome to the Million Moron March. "

coonbug wrote on Apr 13, 2009 6:06 PM:

" First off, the government is not a BUSINESS. It is a provider and protector. And, yes, businesses DO go out and a spend more when they are hurting (at least up to the point of no returen) - on advertising and discounts to draw more customers in.

I sincerely hope somebody will organize a opposition party to appear nearby; because we didn't hear from these folks while the Bush administration and their GOP members took a surplus they were handed and ended up with a huge deficit along with the longest/worst recession (possible Depression) in history.

If any of you are planning on attending to hear what is said, be sure to take a recorder or video camera with you. I'm sure you'll be hearing all sorts of goodies against the administration.

The lady in charge, according to the paper today said, this wasn't about any one Party -- BULLWICKY LADY! Talk about brainwashing. "

Rotty wrote on Apr 13, 2009 8:08 PM:

" Rumor has it that Randy Ervin is loaning out his teleconferencing equipment, with feed coming in directly from Obama, for this event.
He plans on enlightening us all about the economy.

Late April Fools!
LOL! "

medic57 wrote on Apr 13, 2009 8:14 PM:

" father bob wrote on Apr 13, 2009 4:21 PM:

" a lot of white noise on FOX NOISE regarding their in-depth coverage of the million man march, with the "tea party" coverage deserving EQUAL billing.

No racism there, huh FB? "

61938 wrote on Apr 13, 2009 8:57 PM:

" Hey queerstion,

" AKA, the Loud-mouthed, Obnoxious Fools Convention. "

So it's the democraps that are doing this? "

coonbug wrote on Apr 13, 2009 9:02 PM:

" I wonder if these people realize that they will be complaining about the tax code that former Pres. George W. Bush put into place and not what Pres. Barack Obama has done.

"IF" Obama WERE to speak to these people he'd have the privilege of letting them know that it was HE that gave them the largest tax CUT in History. "

Mike P wrote on Apr 13, 2009 9:04 PM:

" Three whole hrs isn't much of a protest with guest speakers invited event. Hope they can get an accurate head count with satelite photos, before dusk.

Nearly every local taxing body raised their annual levy max, the state is broke and looking to tax and fee its way out of it, and this group wants to have a local 3hr stand against the stimulus. Did they forget many requests for stimulus money came locally?

I think many of the other tax protests, have been about current tax increases. Kentucky had one where they poured bourbon on the capital steps, to protest the state hitting alcohol and cigarettes hard, to solve its budget issues.

Its not one party specific, but goaled at specificly protesting the stimulus. I think that kind of narrows it down.

A bullhorn and some talking points on the failures of bush administration, and its price for future generations to pay off, might stampeede the elephants from the petting zoo. "

jayce wrote on Apr 13, 2009 9:35 PM:

" Some of the posters need to get a life instead of bashing people in a hateful way. The tea parties are based on the revolt back in colonial times when the British put unreasonable taxes on tea that had to be shipped to the colonies and some people boarded the ship and dumped the entire shipment in the bay.
The idea now is to protest the raise in taxes that our children, our grandchildren, or even out great grandchildren will be paying. The idea--
sorry Holly Rennels it's not to get together and eat a sack dinner and drink tea and to complain....it's to dump large quanities of tea bags to make a statement. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 13, 2009 10:05 PM:

" 61938 wrote on Apr 13, 2009 8:57 PM:

" Hey queerstion,

Just when you think 61938 couldn't stoop any lower. What a reprobate... "

jrhendren wrote on Apr 13, 2009 11:09 PM:

" The same people crying about taxes on this site are the same ones crying about a protest. Someone give these people a bottle already. "

Tom Andres wrote on Apr 14, 2009 7:38 AM:

" The key words are: "...not limited to recent economic stimulus legislation..." That would include the damage done while Bush was in office.

The TEA Party protestors are concerned about tax burdens on future generations. Several years ago, during a Republican dominated DC, economists were predicting 80% - 90% future tax rates for our children and grandchildren. Those dire predictions didn't register though, and DC kept on spending recklessly.

In just the past three months, during a Democratic dominated DC, these future tax rates have been confirmed.

If there is any partisanship here, it's not between the GOP and the DEMS; both sides of the aisle spend recklessly. This clash, this nationwide TEA Party, is between the classes. When we finally hit the point (and we're very close) when there are more recipients than payers in our nation, this country as we know it is doomed.

The other shoe hitting the floor will be the sound of the printing presses as they fire up to cover the debt. The result will be hyper-inflation such as we've never seen. That's what the TEA Party is about. "

unknownjoe wrote on Apr 14, 2009 7:44 AM:

" The rights of free speech and freedom of assembly are fundamental to the success of our country. Any entity or party that takes more of our money should be protested. Those bemoaning this meeting would be the same who would show up for an Obamathon town hall meeting waving palm leaves and shouting Hosannah Hosannah in the Highest! "

father bob wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:09 AM:

" medic57 wrote on Apr 13, 2009 8:14 PM:
" father bob wrote on Apr 13, 2009 4:21 PM:

" a lot of white noise on FOX NOISE regarding their in-depth coverage of the million man march, with the "tea party" coverage deserving EQUAL billing.

No racism there, huh FB? """"

no, not at all.....guess you're not familiar with the term "white noise"? shows your naivety. "

father bob wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:11 AM:

" a GOP staged "grassroots" event....LMAO!

so a bunch of sore republicans are going to rally....

what next puppet shows? "

father bob wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:13 AM:

" funny.....the idiots are out there proudly flaunting their "tea bagging"

absolutely hilarious!!!! "

PARTY GIRL wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:34 AM:

" The TEA parties are not "left" or "right" protests, they are tax payer protests of the irresponsibility of the GOVERNMENT...all of it. Republicans and Democrats have jointly created the current mess with bail outs and gross government expansion. Our country simply CANNOT afford to operate two wars, the entire banking system, the car industry, the education system (don't get me started), and retirement and healthcare benefits to EVERYONE. The FEDERAL government has only a few jobs as required by the Constitution: national defense, interstate commerce, currency production, and the interpretation of the LAW. Not healthcare, not marriage laws, not education, not enabling continued failure, not forced unionization....NOT most of what recent legislation has taxed us to death to fund. That is what T.E.A. parties are organizing an effort to oppose. "

Rotty wrote on Apr 14, 2009 10:30 AM:

" Shumphreys, if you promise to be a guest speaker, I'll be there with bells on, & promise to sit in the first row.
LOL! "

theproletariat87 wrote on Apr 14, 2009 10:53 AM:

" This makes me angry to a point i can barely keep my hands from shaking. YES taxes on us in the working class and middle class is too high, but we need the money and I'm in support of more programs. Sooooo instead of huge bailouts, tax those rich b*st*rds, tax corperations, then give huge tax breaks to small buisness. Get rid of these ear marks and pork spending like jets for senators(both Repubs and Dems) to go to retreats. Protest but protest the right reasons. Oh btw we have the lowest taxes in the idustrialized world. "

Mike P wrote on Apr 14, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Whats that goldbond like stuff rural king carries. Its in a gold bottle too, wonder if the GOP has picked them up as a sponsor yet. Chaffin Rose, Dale Rider, could be spokes models, and commercial actors. "

coonbug wrote on Apr 14, 2009 12:37 PM:

" Nobody here is complaining about a group of people wanting to MEET or talk about taxes and spending -- what we're complaining about is the hypocrisy of this SUDDEN worry about taxes and spending. A full 8 years have gone by and as far as I know, nobody's suggested MEETING and having a tea party to complain. Instead they've been BEHIND the Bush admin and GOP almost 100%.

The TAXES and TARP money (the biggest chunk) came during the Bush years -- not Obama's. So why didn't this group hold a rally last year or the 7 before that?

This is all about finding a way to HURT the Obama admin -- that's quite evident by the timing of it. "

red,white,blue wrote on Apr 14, 2009 12:52 PM:

" Mr. Andres, you explained quite well what these tea parties are supposed to be about and that there is plenty of blame to go around. The hope is to get the people in Washington to listen to how a vast number of people in this country are feeling about the direction we're heading. "

red,white,blue wrote on Apr 14, 2009 12:55 PM:

" Coonbug wrote: "IF" Obama WERE to speak to these people he'd have the privilege of letting them know that it was HE that gave them the largest tax CUT in History. "

Not sure how you have come to this conclusion. You're not one of those poor deluded souls who thinks the extra $15 or so you're getting in your paycheck each time is not going to have to be repaid are you? If so, you might want to read the fine print.

Oh and conveniently ignore that in a couple of short months our new prez has also given us the largest deficits of all time. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 14, 2009 12:58 PM:

" Sorry about being off topic, but...

Sarah Palin's choice for attorney general once wrote a column defending the statue of a KKK figure as an expression of free speech and mocked the psychology of a college student who protested the display.

Wayne Anthony Ross has come under intense scrutiny since the Alaska Governor and former vice presidential candidate announced his nomination. His resume includes derogatory remarks about homosexuals, accusations of sexism, and bizarre comments downplaying the fallout of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. But his most controversial incident may have come in December 1991, when he penned an op-ed for the Anchorage Times, a copy of which was obtained by the Huffington Post entitled "KKK 'art' project gets 'A' for courage."

Huffinton post-

Poor Sarah, she seems to step into every time she makes a decision. Just think this simple minded moron could have been or VP. Or perhaps she thinks this guy has some of good old Republican family values we keep hearing about. "

Becky wrote on Apr 14, 2009 1:01 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Apr 14, 2009 7:38 AM:

" The key words are: "...not limited to recent economic stimulus legislation..." That would include the damage done while Bush was in office.

Yes, it does. And when we the people start complaining about a peaceful demonstration of we the people, then this country is in very big trouble. "

open8d wrote on Apr 14, 2009 1:49 PM:

" As a new blogger, it's interesting to see that the liberals are the meanest and angriest people blogging. You sure do enjoy your freedom of speech. Why do you begrudge others of theirs? You only "live and let live" when it suits you. I plan on going to the tea party and peacefully showing support for the outrageous taxation which I blame on both parties. "

red,white,blue wrote on Apr 14, 2009 2:18 PM:

" What's really hilarious FB and for some of the others who think like you do is your insistence on seeing this as a 'republican' thing and immediately labeling it as not worthy because of your own prejudice and not seeing it for what it is, the people's right to stand up and be heard. It's not a republican, democrat, left or right thing. It would be an American thing. "

nothingsfree wrote on Apr 14, 2009 2:22 PM:

" Give me a break! The paper is too Left, the paper is too Right! Just because every article does not agree with your view does not make it bias to the other side!!! Get over yourself. The bickering back in forth on the blogs is what America is about. While some of the posts seem idiotic, most are viewpoints of Free Americans. Tonight would be another example. That said - Coondog's comments about business spending more money in hard times is a fairly huge twist on reality, "THE Question" - has not made an intelligent comment....ever maybe. I would consider myself conservative. However, I do agree often with the comments by the Liberal Majority that frequent this site- not TOO often but occaisonally. But the take on this protest is a joke. What happened to free speech, the constitution, and everything else that was spoken about for the past 8 years? Give us all a break. How about a real question? What kind of tax issues are they protesting? Taxes in general? Or is someone just ticked off about the price of cigarettes or maybe beer or other "non essentials"? I would say that makes a big difference in many American's willingness to participate! "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Apr 14, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Liberals at the 'Tea Party'

http://tinyurl.com/4pxblc

LOL! "

M wrote on Apr 14, 2009 3:05 PM:

" I think the tea party is a good idea. It makes no difference to me if FB and tag-teaming cohorts want to ridicule. When they realize how ridiculous they were for voting in the anti-christ they'll feel a little differently. "

father bob wrote on Apr 14, 2009 4:23 PM:

" M wrote on Apr 14, 2009 3:05 PM:
" I think the tea party is a good idea. It makes no difference to me if FB and tag-teaming cohorts want to ridicule. When they realize how ridiculous they were for voting in the anti-christ they'll feel a little differently. """"

LMAO!!......dude, you guys LOST the election. if you want to burn books and dumb down america even more, be my guest. that's where you're headed with the idiot republicans who started this whole tea party idea.

it's not about taxes, it's about making the little people rebel and make noise about a trumped up conspiracy theory.

and people like you are too dumb to know any better.....pretty sad. "

father bob wrote on Apr 14, 2009 4:25 PM:

" now i know why it's so hard to solve a murder in coles county illinois.

the DNA is all the same and there's no dental records.....geeeezzzzzzzzz "

father bob wrote on Apr 14, 2009 4:37 PM:

" legalize and tax marijuana....billions would be saved every year. "

The Question wrote on Apr 14, 2009 5:15 PM:

" What? Voting for "the Anti-Christ?!!!" Do you right-wing nut-jobs know how ludicrous you sound? "

Mike P wrote on Apr 14, 2009 5:26 PM:

" Right wing extremist groups, see a rise in interest in times like these. Must be why every time the GOP gets its paws on things, it tries to race the tidy bowl man down the pipe. Prolonged periods of sustainability, make people less likely to fall for the subversive right wing extremist propaganda.

I think the gene pool thinning is usually defined as the cumberland county line, being its northern border.

Stagnation in this area, reduces opportunity, less opportunity, reduces hope, less hope leads some directly to the GOP.

Nevermind the economy tanked nearly a full year, before the administration hand off, and only one year after the majority shifts in both houses of congress.

Ole Newt is now going to jump back in and lead the crippled elephants party back to victory. Wonder if Rove or Palin will be his VP pick? "

ed miller wrote on Apr 14, 2009 7:50 PM:

" I love the blind party loyalty. The current administration is pushing mountainous debt,the likes which we have never seen and they still justify it all by pointing out the failings of Bush's fiscal conservatism, or lack thereof. Does that somehow make it ok?

Quit crying to tax the "evil" corporations more. We already have one of the highest rates in the world. Do you think they will allow it to come out of their profits? You must be naive. No they will move overseas, cut jobs, or pass along the tax to the consumers in the form of higher prices. The same goes for the stupid carbon tax. Wake up people. These are not taxes on some unnamed rich people or poluters, they are taxes on all of us. "

The Question wrote on Apr 14, 2009 8:50 PM:

" So how many you right wingers agree with your pal M here that the president is "the Anti-Christ?" Let's see a show of hands. "

The Question wrote on Apr 14, 2009 8:57 PM:

" President Obama has explained clearly why we're in the deregulation-recreated unholy mess we're in. Here's what he said: "This recession is different. This recession was not caused by a normal downturn in the business cycle. It was caused by a perfect storm of irresponsibility and poor decision-making that stretched from Wall Street to Washington to Main Street.
"As has been widely reported, it started in the housing market. During the course of the decade, the formula for buying a house changed: instead of saving their pennies to buy their dream house, many Americans found they could take out loans that by traditional standards their incomes just could not support. Others were tricked into signing these subprime loans by lenders who were trying to make a quick profit. And the reason these loans were so readily available was that Wall Street saw big profits to be made. Investment banks would buy and package together these questionable mortgages into securities, arguing that by pooling the mortgages, the risks had been reduced. And credit agencies that are supposed to help investors determine the soundness of various investments stamped the securities with their safest rating when they should have been labeled 'Buyer Beware.'
"No one really knew what the actual value of these securities were, but since the housing market was booming and prices were rising, banks and investors kept buying and selling them, always passing off the risk to someone else for a greater profit without having to take any of the responsibility. Banks took on more debt than they could handle. The government-chartered companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, whose traditional mandate was to help support traditional mortgages, decided to get in on the action by buying and holding billions of dollars of these securities. AIG, the biggest insurer in the world, decided to make profits by selling billions of dollars of complicated financial instruments that supposedly insured these securities. Everybody was making record profits - except the wealth created was real only on paper. And as the bubble grew, there was almost no accountability or oversight from anyone in Washington.
"Then the housing bubble burst. Home prices fell. People began defaulting on their subprime mortgages. The value of all those loans and securities plummeted. Banks and investors couldn't find anyone to buy them. Greed gave way to fear. Investors pulled their money out of the market. Large financial institutions that didn't have enough money on hand to pay off all their obligations collapsed. Other banks held on tight to the money they did have and simply stopped lending." "

coonbug wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:17 PM:

" The POINT of all this is --- WHERE WERE YOU PEOPLE (the ones supporting this TEA PARTY and others) for the past 8 years? You completely IGNORED THAT president and HIS spending. You STILL ignore HIS spending on pork projects, tax cuts for the richest among us and two wars, one of which we never should have gone to.

WHERE WERE YOU THEN? Claiming that this tea party is not for the right or left is a bunch of bologna! You guys have no answers to the recession/depression so you just want to blame it ALL ON OBAMA -- well sorry folks -- it ain't working.

FACTS ARE -- BUSH and the GOP got us here. Obama is trying to get us OUT of here. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:18 PM:

" Soo open8d, just angry liberals? No its discontent people who are tired of governments under any party. Tired of the abuse of power, double talk, and people that demand that we give complete obedience to our government. I am not a liberal, liberals are too moderate for me. So you should be angry as well, governments are supporting those in power and moneyed people over rights and the value of hardwork. "

coonbug wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:18 PM:

" The Republican Party has finally come up with a plan to get us out of the recession; Tea Parties. Yes, I said tea parties.

Thousands of small groups of Tea Parties are being held across America this week. While catching the attention of other Americans talking about taxes and the spending that government is doing (they seem to have been hibernating for the past 8 years not a peep out of them during that time), these groups led by cable news station Fox, are creating or keeping thousands of jobs and companies alive.

Think about it folks. What happens during one of these rallies? Hundreds of people show up. Some are calm, some are angry and some downright ticked off. That kind of rally always requires a police force to work overtime to make sure things stay calm and traffic run smoothly.

They all want to be entertained and have access to food and drink. Most viewers, if not all, will want to carry signs to protest l with. Many will also wear tee shirts or hats with logos on them. Costumes will be on demand. Balloons will be given to the children in the crowds.

Lets see now; thats the extra money for tea companies, restaurants, the clothing industry, the balloon and entertainment industry, police officers, sign makers, costume industry and logo companies. Each of those companies or entities requires employees to make the items, police the area or feed the crowds.

Oh, and dont forget the electric and phone companies along with electricians and technical staff will be put on alert to keep all the lights, phones and microphones in working order at the rallies.

Yes, my friends, Republicans have finally found their niche. They can finally feel like they are doing their part for our economy and no longer just, the Party of No. "

coonbug wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:21 PM:

" Red, White and Blue -- would you rather that $15 a week be TAKEN OUT OF YOUR PAYCHECK? If so -- call the IRS, I'm sure they'll come up with a way.

Geez! It's a taxcut, whether small or short in time isn't the point. The point is, these tea parties are complaining about taxes that were CREATED during BUSH years, the TARP money was under BUSH's term --- I don't hear you complaining about HIS actions? "

coonbug wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:24 PM:

" Here's a solution. Everybody, government, businesses, and Americans all stop SPENDING. Don't BUY anything, groceries, clothes, cars, refrigerators, stoves, lawn equip, new roads, bridges, infrastructure, police officers, nurses, hospitals, etc..etc..

That will get us out of the recession for SURE --- You guys are SO smart, I envy your intelligence. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Apr 14, 2009 11:33 PM:

" * coonbug wrote on apr 14, 2009 9:24 pm: *
* you guys are so smart * i envy your intelligence *

* libtards are very easy to please * "

minorgrey wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:18 AM:

" Tea parties were better when the libertarians were doing it. At least they don't come off as hypocrites when they protest government spending and taxation. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:52 AM:

" Of course the bewildered members of the party of no on this site are trying to distance the party of no from this event, but the truth is that the Republican party is doing it's best to latch onto it. Even Fixed news is airing their propaganda from one of the so called tea party locations.

The GOP sure is having a hard time accepting their losses. One would think they would go back to the drawing board and start planning for the future instead of continuing with their childish hissy fits.

One of the funniest reports I've heard is that Joe the Plumber's helper is actually going to speak at one of the rallies. You know that bunch is pretty desperate when that idiot is one of their A list speakers. But we shouldn't be surprised after seeing the ignorant no nothing they tried to put in as VP. "

ed miller wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:22 AM:

" The Question wrote on Apr 14, 2009 8:57 PM:
" This recession is different. This recession was not caused by a normal downturn in the business cycle. It was caused by a perfect storm of irresponsibility and poor decision-making that stretched from Wall Street to Washington to Main Street."

Gee, I thought you said it was all Bush's fault. "

ed miller wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:32 AM:

" coonbug wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:17 PM:
" The POINT of all this is --- WHERE WERE YOU PEOPLE (the ones supporting this TEA PARTY and others) for the past 8 years? You completely IGNORED THAT president and HIS spending."

Oh, so that justifies what is happening now? The current spending dwarfs anything in our history. Why aren't you complaining about that? I know, it's ok because it is YOUR party doing the spending. That measly $15 per week is not a tax cut either. The increased taxes on businesses and the carbon tax will more than offset that to most Americans. We will ALL be paying more so our government can create more inefficient bureaucracy. Get used to it. "

The Question wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:43 AM:

" You know, I remember protesting in Morton Park to stop you right-wing warmongers from invading Iraq and maiming and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children there. You had no objection at all to wasting several trillion taxpayer dollars on that exercise in subjugation and mass murder, did you?
May you right-wing protesters enjoy the very same success we had. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:47 AM:

" Stanley Stetson wrote on Apr 14, 2009 11:33 PM:

" * coonbug wrote on apr 14, 2009 9:24 pm: *
* you guys are so smart * i envy your intelligence *

* libtards are very easy to please * "

You were right TQ, the exodus was rather short lived. How long will it be before the rest of the "family" comes out of hiding? lol! "

PARTY GIRL wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:50 AM:

" Why all the party alignment? This is about disgruntled Americans who admittedly have taken nearly a decade TOO LONG to become disgruntled. No party, save those without federally elected officials, is innocent. The past 8 years I have been boiling and brewing and investigating options...only now does there seem to be a "movement" developing. Bush did start the TARP crap, but Obama shows no sign of slowing it down...it is the unending spiral that terrifies us all... "

father bob wrote on Apr 15, 2009 9:13 AM:

" funny....ed and stanley make a sudden return to the boards, can BDD and neo be far behind????.....LMAO!!

it'd make a great "b" movie "the return of the dimwitted hate spewers" "

Cognitus wrote on Apr 15, 2009 9:15 AM:

" I;ve got a perfect solution for these elite tea-drinkers -- a county out in the middle of Nevada would suit them fine.
They won't have to pay any income tax because nobody lives there, so there is no business; you can't even grow culckleburrs so ther's no farm income.
There are no roads; you just drive across the desert wherever you like -- try to avoid the really big rocks and the really deep sand.
There's no water so you don't have to pay water/sewer taxes.
You won't have to pay for the indigent, for they wouldn't live there, and the old folks are no burden for when they get too old to outrun the rattlesnakes, that problem is solved.
Sounds ideal to me for the anti-taxers, and if you want more details and a map, I'll be delighted to give you some advice, even buy your first tank of gas to encourage you to move there. "

Cognitus wrote on Apr 15, 2009 9:24 AM:

" unkown joe:"Those bemoaning this meeting would be the same who would show up for an Obamathon town hall meeting waving palm leaves and shouting Hosannah Hosannah in the Highest! "

Wish Unknown Joe would tell us exactly where this happened -- or is this just another of the right wing lies.
C'mon Joe; NAME the TIME,DATE,PLACE where such an event happened.

....yeah, just quoting Druggie Rush again, eh??? "

Cognitus wrote on Apr 15, 2009 9:33 AM:

" So "One of the funniest reports I've heard is that Joe the Plumber's helper is actually going to speak at one of the rallies. "

Never has a person with such minimal intelligence hit upon a scheme to make a living -- I'm assuming he's being paid to come, probably flown in in a corporate jet.

This guy was blabbing about starting a plumbing business, and as I understand it, he didn't even have a journeyman's plumbing license, and no prospect of ANY financial backing -- except what he expected the government to give him. A typical conservative.

Hope they publish his speech verbatim in the national news -- or put it on Fux News hourly..... "

The Question wrote on Apr 15, 2009 9:36 AM:

" What time do the old folks come out to the GOP tea party to burn their socialist Social Security checks? Let us know when the video is posted. "

father bob wrote on Apr 15, 2009 11:16 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:52 AM:
" Of course the bewildered members of the party of no on this site are trying to distance the party of no from this event, but the truth is that the Republican party is doing it's best to latch onto it."""""

well said HP. this so called "grass roots movement" is more of a GOP bowel movement. "

father bob wrote on Apr 15, 2009 12:17 PM:

" PARTY GIRL wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:50 AM:
"Bush did start the TARP crap, but Obama shows no sign of slowing it down...it is the unending spiral that terrifies us all... """"""

have another drink party girl!!

unfortunately someone has to stop the bleeding in order to save the economy. and at this point it requires spending money. and yes....your taxes will go up, as will mine. but that's a price i'm personally willing to pay to avoid complete collapse of our country.

it's the unpatriotic cowards who trump up such nonsense as these "tea parties".....they seem to like the path "business-as-usual" has gotten us.

and when these idiots scream about government intervention, remember....you and i ARE the government, and if anyone's getting a bailout, they NEED to be answering to you and i. the president is doing my work, and i'm proud of him. "

open8d wrote on Apr 15, 2009 12:30 PM:

" theproletariat87 wrote on Apr 14, 2009 9:18 PM:

I'm beyond angry with all politicians. I don't think the system is working properly but I think instead of "change" we need reform. There's a difference.
The GOP hasn't been fiscally conservative either, but I think the Stimulus Package has been the last straw for many people.
The Tea parties may be symbolic with little effect, but it feels good to unite with other people who feel the same way I do. "

The Question wrote on Apr 15, 2009 2:31 PM:

" Just goes to show you. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 15, 2009 3:03 PM:

" The Tea parties may be symbolic with little effect, but it feels good to unite with other people who feel the same way I do. "

Passing gas makes you feel good too. Maybe you should gather a group of like minded folks, make up some signs and go to the park the next time you feel the urge let a little air out. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 15, 2009 3:23 PM:

" The Question wrote on Apr 15, 2009 2:31 PM:

" Just goes to show you. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. "

That gets proven on this site daily, Q. Remember the letter writer from Arthur who praised Sarah Palin for her values.

And of course there's TA who sings the praises of Fixed news every time he can work in it. lol!

It would be interesting to see a study done on the average IQ of typical Limbaugh or Fox news fan. Surely it's higher that Rush's average listener's age, 68. "

Cognitus wrote on Apr 15, 2009 3:28 PM:

" red.white,blue:
"Oh and conveniently ignore that in a couple of short months our new prez has also given us the largest deficits of all time. "

And did you write the same thing when GWB gave us the largest deficits of all time???????(even tho he started with a S-U-R-P-L-U-S).

And did you write that GWB left our economy in the worst condition we can remember (and I can remember THE depression), and perhaps the worst depression of all time???? "

Becky wrote on Apr 15, 2009 3:42 PM:

" PARTY GIRL wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:50 AM:

" Why all the party alignment? This is about disgruntled Americans who admittedly have taken nearly a decade TOO LONG to become disgruntled."

DITTO!!!!! I think it's time we all opened our windows, put our heads out and yelled "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it any more!"

Faux noise took this tea party movement and turned it into a republican "movement". Believe me when I say it's not only the republicans who find forcing every single man, woman and child currently in this country owing $100,000 apiece atrocious! Why? So multi millionairs and billionairs won't have to give up their multi yachts, villas, mansions and club memberships? I say, NO MORE!!!! Enough is Enough! No taxes without representation and we the people haven't been represented in DC (and Springfield for that matter) for YEARS through both Dems and Reps! We need to come together as We The People of the United States of America. We need to take our country back. And if drinking tea at a local park gets we the people together, then I say....lemon and sugar? "

Mike P wrote on Apr 15, 2009 3:47 PM:

" Many Conservatives, aren't even very conservative, when it comes to money, theirs or not, and except for concerns with how everyone else should behave, many aren't terribly conservative in their own private lives or confines.

Conservative, being applied in this manner, might be an oxymoron, or sometimes even a oxycontinmoron. Millionare televangelists, paved much of the way. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Apr 15, 2009 4:03 PM:

" * father bob wrote on apr 15, 2009 9:13 am: *
* it'd make a great "b" movie * the return of the dimwitted hate spewers *

* pass the popcorn * the baby eaters is on *

* rotflmao * "

hank hill wrote on Apr 15, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Do any of you have something else to do besides b**** and moan? Or is this the way to help the situation? I think all of you are a bunch of whiners and s*** stirrers. If those of you that think you are so much better, smarter, more educated.... put all of your energy into trying to solve some of these problems, maybe the world would be a better place! "

father bob wrote on Apr 15, 2009 5:00 PM:

" hank hill wrote on Apr 15, 2009 4:37 PM:
" Do any of you have something else to do besides b**** and moan? Or is this the way to help the situation? I think all of you are a bunch of whiners and s*** stirrers. If those of you that think you are so much better, smarter, more educated.... put all of your energy into trying to solve some of these problems, maybe the world would be a better place! """"""

hank.....don't blow a gasket. it took 8 years to get into this sh*t hole, it will take more than 100 days to get out. there are intelligent people working very hard to turn things around and given a little leeway, they will.

it's like getting on an airplane and wondering if the captain will do everything in his control to keep from crashing the plane. he's got a life and a family too. no one wants to see our leaders fail.....except maybe a few inbred ignorant radical conservatives. "

father bob wrote on Apr 15, 2009 5:11 PM:

" i see where the tea parties have turned into political rallies.....funny how the GOP has suddenly shown up...

this gets funnier with every passing moment. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 15, 2009 5:16 PM:

" hank hill wrote on Apr 15, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Do any of you have something else to do besides b**** and moan?

Nah, that one is too easy... "

STINKY wrote on Apr 15, 2009 5:37 PM:

" Unless you make ~>250k annually, arguing for a consumption tax makes you a moron. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Today's "teabag" protests would be funny, if they didn't make me think of Sen. Joseph McCarthy, and what he might have accomplished if Fox News existed during his time.

Mitchell Bard-

How true... "

M wrote on Apr 15, 2009 7:09 PM:

" I was being sarcastic about Obama being the anti-Christ. I do; however, think he is following his own self-serving agenda that all of you people who don't even have the good sense to be ashamed for voting him in yet will regret when his agenda materializes. Socialism and fascism are coming down the pipe so don't ask me to take care of you when you have nothing because you are too ignorant to see what is obvious and are too lazy to prepare for it. And I don't give a plug nickel about right and left so get over yourselves and your little "victory" party mentality. None of that matters so stop spouting the same rhetoric about right-wing nut jobs and similar garbage that doesn't make a dent. FB: I don't want to burn books or dumb-down America....you seem to be doing fine without my help. Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Just so you know, my thank you was sarcasm...guess you don't recognize it when you aren't the one doling it out. Furthermore, the only thing I have lost is still covered in the Constitution but I imagine if you have your way we will all lose. Way to go voting in a lunatic who wants to bankrupt America and sell it to the highest bidder. Good call. (more sarcasm...just so you know) "

Locke wrote on Apr 15, 2009 8:08 PM:

" Taxed enough already? My taxes have done down this year, so what is problem? "

PARTY GIRL wrote on Apr 16, 2009 12:10 AM:

" Some of these comments confirm the very type of thinking that created this disaster. This is not about THIS YEAR'S taxes or being proud of a historical statesman. China will eventually call this debt due. In order to pay it, taxes will go up indefinitely and substantially. Also, this is more about Congress than the current or Former president. They voted for (or against) legislation they didn't even read. We should require better representation from ALL of them. Government is supposed to facilitate freedom in this country, not take care of every single aspect of life for every citizen. "

The Question wrote on Apr 16, 2009 5:58 AM:

" They should call them windbag parties next time. "

coonbug wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:08 AM:

" I don't know if it will get listed by I wrote a comment about Rep. Rose last night and while doing so I gave the wrong deficit amount. It should have said $490 billion deficit. I apologize to all bloggers for this mistake. "

ed miller wrote on Apr 16, 2009 8:00 AM:

" Well Locke, I'm glad your taxes have "done down", whatever that means. Regardless, even if the IRS is taking a whole $13 less out of your paycheck, you will pay more for everything else. Those higher taxes on companies and carbon taxes on "polluters" mean you will pay more for their products and your power bill. More of your money is going to the government no matter how it is labeled. "

ed miller wrote on Apr 16, 2009 8:04 AM:

" Well, at least our allies get it....

"Barack Obama: President Pantywaist - new surrender monkey on the block"

http://tinyurl.com/c2juqw "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 16, 2009 8:10 AM:

" Fox news has taken a lot of criticism from the MSM for attempting to make news instead of reporting it.

Apparently this criticism is paying off, as I notice Fox on line didn't mention anything today about the tea parties they have been pushing so hard for the last several days.

Of course we can expect their pundits to carry on about it for weeks to come, but that's fine. The problem with Fox is that they let they let their right wing ideology take over their judgement when reporting.

As with all of his news outlets, Rupert Murdoch is best known for trying to make news instead of objectively reporting it. Fox news epitomises this unethical philosophy. "

The Question wrote on Apr 16, 2009 8:33 AM:

" Americans pay too much in taxes? Wrong: The United States has the lowest taxes of all developed nations. "

red,white,blue wrote on Apr 16, 2009 10:04 AM:

" Coonbug wrote: " Red, White and Blue -- would you rather that $15 a week be TAKEN OUT OF YOUR PAYCHECK? If so -- call the IRS, I'm sure they'll come up with a way."

Actually my spouse and I both contacted our HR departments and asked them to withhold an extra $15 from each paycheck as soon as this so-called tax cut came down. Why? As I suggested to you, read the fine print from my HR department:
"However, there may be situations where individuals will be under withheld if no action is taken:

*If an individual works for more than one employer the new tax tables will provide the reduced withholding for both employers. This would
reduce the withholding by more than what an individual would be entitled to.

*Married couples with both spouses working and claiming married on the Form W-4 will also see the reduction in withholding for both spouses. This would reduce the withholding by more than what the married couple would be entitled to.

*Individuals claimed as a dependent on another individual's tax return are not eligible for the reduced withholding. The reduction is
automatic and could result in under-withholding for the year.

*Nonresident aliens are not entitled to the reduced withholding.
The calculations are adjusted so that the reductions not applied to most nonresident alien withholding. However, the calculation adjustment
does not apply to students and business apprentices from India.
Individuals in this category may be under-withheld in their taxes for the year.

In the situations described above, if you want to make sure the appropriate withholding is applied, you need to file a new Form W-4. You may claim fewer withholding allowances on line 5 or request additional amounts to be withheld on line 6.

Now I would suggest this is going to affect a lot of people who will, SURPRISE!, find themselves owing money on their taxes next year.

Meanwhile, Connie, you just continue to ignore what Obama is doing to future generations with the spending he has and will be putting into place and just go right on blaming George Bush for everything if that is what helps you sleep at night. "

red,white,blue wrote on Apr 16, 2009 10:05 AM:

" We're very close to having that dependent society the Dems wants in place for the votes (hence the legalizing illegal immigrants) and who will be left to pay the bills? I suspect you and I will be the ones to fall into the latter category. I'm just making my objections to that known now with the hope that enough people will start paying attention to where we're headed. And, judging from the success of the tea parties yesterday, where thousands were heard across the country and it was done peacefully as well, maybe we're on to something. Which scares those on the left to death. So what do they have left but ridicule. All you have to do is read this blog and watch the coverage (or lack thereof) to see that. "

The Question wrote on Apr 16, 2009 10:50 AM:

" As the conservative Andrew Sullivan said, they're absolutely right to be alarmed about the deficits and debt. But the alarm should be judged in relation to the seriousness of their proposals to confront it. And the tea party movement isn't serious. It's know-nothingism. The idea of somehow bringing the country, and that multi-trillion-dollar military budget they applaud, back into fiscal balance with no tax increases is simply ludicrous. "

sapient wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:24 AM:

" Sit in on a corporate board room struggling to come to grips with the new economic climate Obama has created. Do we expand? Create more jobs? Launch a new product line? Step up our marketing efforts? Ratchet up production?

But, wait a minute. The bigger our company gets, the closer we come to being "too big to fail," a "systemic risk." The nearer we are to intrusive government oversight, limits on executive pay, and regulators breathing down our necks. We better watch out. We may even get taken over. Stay small. Forget the new jobs.

An investor ponders where to put his 401 (k) retirement money. Should he invest in robust, growing companies? Firms with a bright future? But, be careful, they could get so big that they get taken over by the government and you lose your entire investment. Don't invest in firms that will fail, but stay away from those that will succeed too.

Meanwhile, at the kitchen table, a middle class family discusses their career moves. Should she go back to school to pursue a better job at higher pay? Should he put in overtime? Move up in the company?

Hey wait a minute. Our combined income is just under $200,000 a year. If we go any higher, our tax bracket goes up, we start having Social Security withheld on our new income, we lose our current deductions for our mortgage, and state and local taxes, and charitable donations.

Forget the promotion. Forget the new job.

Downtown, investors in a hedge fund are meeting to consider participating in the bank bailout scheme by buying toxic assets from failing institutions. We could make a killing. The investments could pan out big time. It's a risk, but the reward could be great.

But hold on a second. If we make tens of millions, hundreds of millions, while taxpayers have to pay for failed banks, won't we get hit with a 90 percent tax? Won't we get to see our pictures on the front page with the president shaking an angry finger in our faces? Yes, now he wants us to invest, to help him rescue the banks, but once we do, won't he be on our case like he was on AIG's?

The Japanese have a saying that, thankfully, has no English equivalent: The highest nail gets hammered down first. Obama's perverse view of fairness threatens to create reverse incentives, militating against growth, jobs, expansion, and upward mobility.

For decades, astute observers of national welfare policy warned of the perversity of the incentives which kept the poor on welfare and discouraged them from taking jobs. Employment meant that their slightly higher income would be more than offset by the loss of other benefits like food stamps, day care, rent supplements, and Medicaid. Work didn't pay.

Now Obama is applying the same crazy policies to the upper end of the economic spectrum.

Upward mobility is alive and well in the United States, at least until Obama took over. A study conducted in the late 1990s examined the economic fate of those consigned to the bottom 20% of incomes in 1980. The analysis concluded that more than four out of five had left the bottom quintile and one in five was now in the top 20%! It is true that the top quintile is getting richer while the bottom is getting poorer, but the bottom is not the same people. There is, fortunately, a constant churning at the bottom as new immigrants move in and those who used to be on the bottom begin their long, thrilling, upward climb to the American dream.

But Obama does not believe in individual upward mobility. He would penalize it, tax it, regulate it, inveigh against it, and disincentivize it. We will be like salmon swimming upstream to mate. We will overcome the currents, the waterfall, the rocks, the predators and will grapple our way up the stream. Then, at the top of the waterfall, will stand Obama the Bear, waiting to scoop us up and have us for dinner. The taxman cometh.
-Dick Morris- "

even steven wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:29 AM:

" This movement has socialist leftists scared, so they're working overtime trying to belittle the partiots who attended these TEA parties. The vitriolic leftist simpltons who clog these message boards with their infantile rants are merely the useful idiots so relied upon by their Marxist puppet-masters. Contratulations to fellow patriots who peacefully assembled to protest a federal government usurping more authority than it was ever supposed to have, and pay no attention to the hateful, babbling idiots on the left. They are impotent and powerless to stop this grassroots movement, and they know it. "

father bob wrote on Apr 16, 2009 12:11 PM:

" even steven wrote on Apr 16, 2009 11:29 AM:
"They are impotent and powerless to stop this grassroots movement, and they know it. """"""

LMAO!!!!.....what a hoot!! "

father bob wrote on Apr 16, 2009 12:23 PM:

" even steven.....there is absolutely nothing behind this so called "grassroots" movement. i really didn't see anything the past couple of days other than a lot of angry republicans getting together to hold hands and lick their wounds.

you all need to have a scapegoat for your actions the past 8 years. you really have no one to blame but the people who led you around by the nose telling you little people how important you were all the while strapping huge debts on your backs.

now miraculously in the past 100 days things have gone from rosy to rotten....really, just how ignorant are you? "

The Question wrote on Apr 16, 2009 1:10 PM:

" This movement has socialist leftists scared, so they're working overtime trying to belittle the partiots who attended these TEA parties.
---
Yes, you Republicans just keep doing what you're doing, Stevey. You've got us right where we want you. "

julio wrote on Apr 16, 2009 1:25 PM:

" Amazing how the mega wealthy can get blue collar folks to support their cause.
One man was carrying a sign that said "No new taxes on the wealthy". They asked if he was wealthy and he said no??? "

theproletariat87 wrote on Apr 16, 2009 1:40 PM:

" As a man who believes in mostly socialist principles I'm as scared of you as I am of Obama and the present government. They are all politicians, easily bent to corruption. Yet, I would have to say again, the working and middle class will get tax cuts or no raise. Are you making over 200,000 a year? if so then congrats but I'm glad your taxed. "

Robert Funk wrote on Apr 16, 2009 1:58 PM:

" During the 8 years of the George W. Bush administration, a budget surplus of 200 billion dollars became a deficit of that plus a trillion. And that doesn't count the money for the 2 wars, because those funds were not included in the regular budget proposals. So where have these tea-bag hypocrites been all this time? I guess that when a white Republican runs up huge deficits it's all right. You're a little late, courageous tea-bag toters. "

unknownjoe wrote on Apr 16, 2009 4:21 PM:

" I can't believe you have forgotten so quickly the dates Cognitus. Especially August 25-28 2008 in Denver where the Obamamessiah went to the mountain in the orgiastic display from Mt. Olympus. "Hosannah" or possibly

November 4,2008 from Chicago where we were treated to the tears of Jesse Jackson weaping because it wasn't him on stage. "Hosannah" or maybe

January 20th 2009 during the plush display from Washington D.C. where we were treated to Michelle dressed in full Klingon Battle attire. "Hosannah"
or...could it be

Every day since the O announced his candidacy for POTUS. "Hosannah" or is it that I have mistaken "Hosannah, Hosannah in the Highest" for "Yes We Can" But it matters not, because I have been told "if it looks like it and smells like it, it most likely is it. As far as Rush speaking for me...I dont listen to or ever have listened to Rush. I speak for myself and always have. That being said, ANYONE who proposes to take more of my money needs to be protested. I dont want the government to tell me what is best for me. They dont plan my budget, they dont feed my children, they dont go to work for me, they don't pay for my house. I make the ch oices about whom I share my wealth or lack thereof with. "Yes I Can" and Do "

father bob wrote on Apr 16, 2009 5:18 PM:

" April 16, 2009
77 Days In Office - The Right Wing Claim Obama Most Damaging President

I found an op-ed at MichNews.com that was just over the top. Lynn Stuter, a guest contributor, it putting all the blame for everything on President Obama. To hear her tell it, he is going to be our ruination. Ms. Stuter just goes straight for the jugular in her opening statement about President Obama.

The United States of America lays in shambles. In 77 days since usurping the Oval Office, the Also Known As (AKA) Obama Administration has done more damage to this nation than any president before him.

First off, the definition of usurping is, to seize and hold (a position, office, power, etc.) by force or without legal right. If there was some kind of brilliantly executed coup, we would have heard about it. However, I distinctly remember on November 4th, Obama won, fair and square, the election for President of the United States. I dont know where Lynn was, but she missed the party of the decade. She further states that:

In that short time-frame, AKA

has signed into law legislation that will, in one year, put this nation $1.8 trillion further into the hole, bearing in mind that the total deficit spending of the Bush Administration, in eight years, was $400 billion!

Where to begin, Ill start with Bill Clinton, who enacted a bill to cut the deficit. That bill contributed to dramatic decline of the budget deficit in the years following its enactmentin 1998, for the first time since 1969, the nation achieved a budget surplus.

The economy continued to grow, and in February 2000 it broke the record for the longest uninterrupted economic expansion in U.S. historylasting ten years. In the year 2000, the nation was on track to be debt free for the first time since 1835. The surplus in fiscal year 2000 was $237 billionthe third consecutive surplus and the largest surplus ever.

George Bush was left with a deficit cutting plan that was working, instead he decided in 2001, to give a $1.35 trillion tax cut programone of the largest tax cuts in U.S. history. Oh No, he wasnt going to use it to pay down the deficit, instead Bush had a town hall meeting where he announced, the surplus is not the governments money. The surplus is the peoples money. This was a mistake that cost this country dearly. "

ed miller wrote on Apr 16, 2009 7:08 PM:

" father bob wrote on Apr 16, 2009 5:18 PM:
" ...instead Bush had a town hall meeting where he announced, the surplus is not the governments money. The surplus is the peoples money. This was a mistake that cost this country dearly. "

Oh, but quadrupling the debt as we are heading to now, will not cost the country at all. Isn't that right? "

The Question wrote on Apr 16, 2009 8:11 PM:

" Oh, but quadrupling the debt as we are heading to now, will not cost the country at all. Isn't that right?
--
No, it'll cost plenty, and for decades to come. That's what you're forced into when lawless, deregulated financial fraud wrecks the entire world economy. That was deregulation the Republicans BEGGED and SCREAMED for, Edward. "

ed miller wrote on Apr 16, 2009 10:21 PM:

" Sad. You just can't bring yourselves to admit the Dems are at fault whatsoever.

You know as well as I do that in 2005, McCain managed to predict the entire collapse that has forced the government to eat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with Bear Stearns and AIG. He hammered the falsification of financial records to benefit executives, including Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of whom have worked as advisers to Barack Obama. In his speech he stated, "If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole."

Now you are saying that, entirely because of the "Republican caused recession", The President and congress are FORCED to rush through trillion dollar pork-bloated spending bills and massive social programs to fix the economy. No one is stupid enough to buy that excuse. "

sapient wrote on Apr 17, 2009 11:12 AM:

" Robt. F. If your figures are true Bush left office with a debt of 1T 200B. The debt now is 11 trillion, but you think that is OK. And what makes you lefties think that conservatives were pleased with Republican spending? I know that I wrote letters of protest to politicians about that. Many of us were upset about the overspending, but that overspending pales in comparison to today's overspending. It's not overspending that you object to. It's who is doing the overspending. "

Not for hire wrote on Apr 17, 2009 8:58 PM:

" Do you republicans remember who pushed us into a recession? Oh wait, it wasnt ruled a recession until Obama got in. Now its convenient to change the verbage. "