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Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:28 PM CDT
COLUMN: From mud puddles to abortion, surely a bit of thinking ahead can't hurt

By PENNY WEAVER, News Editor
pweaver@jg-tc.com

There’s something rather arresting about walking along and suddenly, accidentally, planting your foot smack-dab in the middle of a three-inch-deep mud puddle you didn’t see there.

It makes you start paying more attention to what’s coming up in front of you on the sidewalk.

After all, no one wants to go around all day with a wet foot inside a soaked sock covered by a wet shoe. That’s more than a little uncomfortable.

Looking ahead — past our own noses — can have amazing effects.

Aside from the heartache I felt when I read an Associated Press story this week about family planning, this analogy came to mind.

In case you missed the story, it detailed the struggle of many folks to make decisions about their future offspring in light of the limping economy (um, no pun intended).

More men are having vasectomies, according to health officials at clinics across the country, for two main reasons: one, they want to have the procedure while they’re still employed and have health insurance; and two, they want to be sure they don’t have any children right now, because they can’t afford them.

Frighteningly, more women are having abortions because they can’t afford another child.

Here’s a portion of the story:

— — —

(AP) The pregnant woman showed up at the medical center in flip-flops and in tears, after walking there to save bus fare.

Her boyfriend had lost his job, she told her doctor in Oakland, Calif., and now — fearing harder times for her family — she wanted to abort what would have been her fourth child.

“This was a desired pregnancy — she’d been getting prenatal care — but they re-evaluated expenses and decided not to continue,” said Dr. Pratima Gupta. “When I was doing the options counseling, she interrupted me halfway through, crying, and said, ‘Dr. Gupta, I just walked here for an hour. I’m sure of my decision.’”

Other doctors are hearing similarly wrenching tales. For many Americans, the recession is affecting their most intimate decisions about sex and family planning. Doctors and clinics are reporting that many women are choosing abortions and men are having vasectomies because they cannot afford a child.

— — —

I find that so amazingly sad.

Vasectomies are one thing, but I cannot imagine choosing abortion because of money. OK, I guess I can’t imagine choosing an abortion for any reason, but I’m not trying to light a match to the pro-life/pro-choice fuse. That’s another column — or perhaps a book.

I know children are expensive, and I know many people argue it’s better for unwanted pregnancies to be “terminated” — I’m generally in the camp that sees a fertilized egg as a child, so it’s hard for me to even use such language — than for taxpayers to foot the bill for children born to those unable to support them.

But I can’t help thinking that one of the overriding issues behind these things is the failure of people to think ahead.

Sometimes we all live so much in the “now” that we are surprised when suddenly we find ourselves elderly, for example, and we’re not prepared.

I don’t know where they got it, but my parents seemed to always think ahead (Mom credits Dad, but in my book she is just as wise as he was). When I was a kid, I remember Dad saying he wouldn’t want to buy a house with, for example, too many steps at the entrance.

I could see what he meant. Our neighbors were elderly, and I’m sure when they were young and built their house, the dozen or so steep concrete steps leading to their door were no problem to climb.

But in their later years, carting groceries up those stairs on arthritic knees was a challenge.

I thought of that when I bought a house last fall, and I even envisioned where a wheelchair ramp could be built. Hopefully, since I’m 38, I wouldn’t need that for quite some time, but things happen.

No one can be prepared for everything. You can plan and plan and still be foiled. One woman in that AP story was on birth control and got pregnant anyway.

I guess it would be too much to expect people to actually refrain from sex if they’d have to take such a drastic step as abortion if they did get pregnant. That would be a ridiculous expectation...wouldn’t it?

I know; we’re all only human. Certainly I can’t claim a spotless track record myself, but do we even try to ascribe to a higher level of behavior anymore? Is it so terribly far-fetched and old-fashioned to wonder if anyone even considers waiting until they’re married to get intimate anymore?

Maybe that requires too much thinking ahead. Maybe we’re only weak animals walking upright and it’s completely unrealistic for modern human adults to consider abstinence outside of marriage, or even within marriage if an “unwanted” child might result.

That makes me amazingly sad too.

Sure, we can’t avoid every mud puddle under our feet, but if we take a few glances out ahead of us, life might be a little less messy.

Or at least we could have our galoshes on when it does get sloppy. (You guessed it — I just wanted to use the word “galoshes” today.)

I don’t have answers — just questions. I try not to judge; I certainly can see where I myself can be judged.

I guess mud puddles and tall flights of stairs can build character.

But is it the lazy man or the wise one who finds an easier, less messy way around?

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Tom Andres wrote on Mar 25, 2009 11:44 PM:

" Penny, speaking of being judged, you are about to be susanized for this one ... and questionized ... and fatherlessbobized, harryized ... The posts on this one could go on, and on, and on.

Just for the heck of it one day in the shoe department of a fancy upscale department store, I asked a trendy young female clerk who thought she was auditioning for America's Next Top Model what selection they offered in five buckle galoshes. She looked a little stumped, more like embarrassed because she probably figured that Galoshes brand was right up there with Guuci, and here she was having to admit that she had no knowledge of it. She asked me to repeat, which I did (and I made it sound kind of French-ish), to which she responded: I'm not familiar with that line. To which I responded: You know, what you wear when you slop the hogs.

I can relate to what you're saying. All of a sudden that day, I just wanted to use the word galoshes. "

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 26, 2009 7:59 AM:

" I read your post, Tom Andres, and wonder why you seem to have experienced so much pleasure from embarrassing this young sales clerk. Did making her feel small do something for you? Had the sales clerk been a young man, would you have said the same thing? "

Read all over wrote on Mar 26, 2009 12:22 PM:

" Tom Andres, like Penny Weaver, shows a remarkable ability to veer away from a "topic" into free association. I say we sign him up as a JG-TC columnist at once. More galoshes! More galoshes! "

just watching wrote on Mar 26, 2009 1:21 PM:

" Good Post Tom! "

father bob wrote on Mar 26, 2009 5:29 PM:

" as long as there's a pompous, pious fat cat sitting in the vatican telling billions of women they shouldn't be practicing practical birth control, there'll be those fighting for a woman's right to choose and promoting plannned parenthood.

the sad story about poor wretched women is just another christian fundamentalist moral majority "story" spread by conservative anti-abortion groups.

and by the way, this is nowhere near the way is was in the 1930's the way rightwing would make you believe. i know i haven't missed many meals yet. "

HisChild wrote on Mar 26, 2009 9:53 PM:

" Awwww....*Gives CrowWoman a hug*
Hope you have a better weekend! :) "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:25 AM:

" CrowWoman wrote on Mar 26, 2009 7:59 AM: "I read your post, Tom Andres, and wonder why you seem to have experienced so much pleasure from embarrassing this young sales clerk. Did making her feel small do something for you? Had the sales clerk been a young man, would you have said the same thing?"

****

Talk about "free associaion". Gheeze, Crow, just a thought, did you used to work at the Woodfield in Schaumburg? LOL "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 27, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Crow Woman I agree with your post to Mr. Andres. Teasing as he would put it, sexual harassment as some others would put, just plain rude/inconsiderate/clodish as I would put it. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 27, 2009 8:59 AM:

" I agree in part with Ms. Weaver, I think that people should behave responsibly, if they can. Which means if we want to stop unwanted pregnancies, the RESPONSIBLE position for society is to provide FREE birth control for those of child bearing age. AND to provide full health care services for women who decide to have a baby/s (so babies and mothers will be healthy) and those who decide to abort. AND not to judge, condemn, denigrate, lay a guilt trip on a woman for whatever choice she makes. "

just watching wrote on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 AM:

" AL BUNDY would of never felt belittled Crow woman he probably had some in stock. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 27, 2009 9:01 AM:

" Mr. Andres I think that a person like Ms. Weaver who presents an honest opinion deserves honest opinions in return. That is what this forum is set up for after all. People need to hear ALL sides of an issue, they need to do their own research, so they can be honestly informed in order to make RESPONSIBLE decisions. "

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 27, 2009 9:59 AM:

" No, Andres, I've never been to Schaumburg. I was thinking of my daughter, actually--or any young woman out there trying to put in a day's work and having to put up with some old goat who thinks he's funny. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 27, 2009 12:58 PM:

" And Mr. Andres I agree with Crow Woman your cute remark to the sales girl would be considered sexual harassment in some circles, and just plain rude in others. Also remember these forums are for the free exchange of ideas so that people can hear all sides of an issue in order to make informed RESPONSIBLE decisions. "

father bob wrote on Mar 27, 2009 1:03 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 27, 2009 12:58 PM:
" And Mr. Andres I agree with Crow Woman your cute remark to the sales girl would be considered sexual harassment in some circles, and just plain rude in others. Also remember these forums are for the free exchange of ideas so that people can hear all sides of an issue in order to make informed RESPONSIBLE decisions. """""

what?.....you question the word of tom? "

medic57 wrote on Mar 27, 2009 1:30 PM:

" Mr. Andres I think that a person like Ms. Weaver who presents an honest opinion deserves honest opinions in return.

I see, and because you believe strongly that abortion is ok for any reason, and I do not, is your opinion any more honest than mine? "

red,white,blue wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:06 PM:

" Geez, people, lighten up.

What ought to be bothering readers of this column is the recent statistic that came out that stated that 40% of children are born out of wedlock. Now that's frightening. And no, Susan, I don't think it's because birth control is not available; it most certainly is. What I believe that stat says more about is how our society's way of thinking has changed and, in this case, definitely not for the better. "

HisChild wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:07 PM:

" Mr. Andres,
don't you know better than to share such a remark on an open forum where people are encouraged to honestly share their views?

I mean, just the attitude of some humphries and crows would be considered in some circles to be sexual harassment & in other circles to be just plain rude!

I would think that you of all people would know better! ;-) "

father bob wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:24 PM:

" CrowWoman wrote on Mar 27, 2009 9:59 AM:
" No, Andres, I've never been to Schaumburg. I was thinking of my daughter, actually--or any young woman out there trying to put in a day's work and having to put up with some old goat who thinks he's funny. """""

ROFLMAO!!!!.....tom the omnipotent becomes tom the impotent....!!!!!! "

father bob wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:25 PM:

" tommie needs to cut back on the ED drugs, he's getting a bit snarky with the women. "

just watching wrote on Mar 27, 2009 4:49 PM:

" Shumpries how did you get sexual harrassment out of someone asking a sales person for a pair of "french goloshies" ? I gotta ask? "

Hahvahd wrote on Mar 27, 2009 5:16 PM:

" medic, you need to pull back a little on the hatred/attack dog mentality about anything that shumphries posts. No where in her comments on this thread has she expressed that her opinions are superior to anyone else's. She merely stated that all sides need to be heard. What's so wrong with that? "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 27, 2009 9:57 PM:

" Proof once again that Hahvahd is one of shumphries multiple personalities, LOL! "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 27, 2009 11:52 PM:

" shump, is that a chip on your shoulder, or what? Whoops, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to sexually harass you. LOL. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 28, 2009 7:11 AM:

" Poor Tom. Every time he tries to be funny, he puts his foot in his mouth. Seriously Tom, you really need to stop trying to be funny, and by the way, I seem to recall you swearing off telling lame jokes a while back, and yet you keep trying to sneak them back in. Poor decision on your part. You really need to stick to whining about Obama and how bad the Dems are, and leave the comedy to others. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 28, 2009 8:42 AM:

" How did I know susan would be one of those sexual harassment yappers also. Tom said nothing sexual in his post.
I always felt calling a female waitress "hun or sweetheart"(which I still do) a lot nicer than "hey or hey you" but now thats sexual harassment, "what a joke".
Most of the women I ever seen say something about things being sexual harassment only could wish someone wanted anything sexual with them. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 28, 2009 9:06 AM:

" Just Watching For Some, sexual harassment is doing something to one sex that you wouldn't do to the other that harasses them in some way, makes their job unpleasant. As I said some would consider it sexual harassment some would consider it just plain rude. I am in the rude category. I suspect men like Mr. Andres just consider it teasing. You tease people you know well not strangers. Perhaps Mr. Andres and you should read Emily Post? "

just watching wrote on Mar 28, 2009 10:48 AM:

" I seem to be blind in my age shumpries i cant find any post on here fom an Emily but if shes an Ellen Degeneres groupie Id probably pass it up anyway.Tom wrote shump..is that a chip on your shoulder or.....what? lmao "

Forgiven wrote on Mar 28, 2009 11:53 AM:

" shumphreys- and perhaps you could practice what you preach instead of telling others what to do all the time. Tearing up statements from others and looking at them under a microscope to find something that could possibly be wrong in 'your eyes' and then accusing them of such when they were perfectly innocent is blasphemy and extremely 'rude'. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 28, 2009 12:08 PM:

" Sexual harassment isn't a JOKE Mr. Gordon. Yes calling women 'hun' is offensive whether it comes from a customer or the waitress. Ms. or Miss or Sir is appropriate. As I suggested to Mr. Andres, perhaps you too should read Emily Post! "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 28, 2009 12:10 PM:

" Oh and perhaps ALL of you should learn to read. Notice in the original comment I said SOME, that doesn't necessarily mean that I am part of that group now does it. Grow up, honestly. "

Hahvahd wrote on Mar 28, 2009 12:34 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote: "Most of the women I ever seen say something about things being sexual harassment only could wish someone wanted anything sexual with them." And Rohn, most of the men I've seen who go around calling waitresses, clerks, and other women who are strangers to them "hon" or "sweetheart," as you said you do, could only wish there was a woman out there willing to return those terms of endearment to them. You know, there are alternatives; you're not stuck between "hey you" or "sweetheart." You could always address the woman as "Miss," "Ma'am," or even say something polite like "excuse me" or "pardon me," to get a woman's attention without having to resort to terminology that might offend. "

medic57 wrote on Mar 28, 2009 2:29 PM:

" She merely stated that all sides need to be heard. What's so wrong with that?

Hahvahd

What part of my post was laced with hatred? It's a fact, Susan only really believes in 1 opinion, hers. Just ask her.

Shumpries how did you get sexual harrassment out of someone asking a sales person for a pair of "french goloshies" ? I gotta ask?

Hell, that's an easy one. Male customer, Female salesperson. That's enough for Susan. :) "

Rotty wrote on Mar 28, 2009 5:53 PM:

" Hey, Mr. Andres?
Go get Ms. Humphreys a batch of lottery tickets.
LOL!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. "

The Curious wrote on Mar 28, 2009 7:37 PM:

" Perhaps shumphreys you should read Emily Post, with your glasses on this time! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 29, 2009 6:41 AM:

" I'm curious as to why so many of you bother to read shumphries posts if they are as offensive as you seem to think. Instead of whining about her messages and calling her names, why not skip over her posts?

There are a few posters that I do that to, and I'm sure there are those that ignore what I have to say too.

Why keep beating yourself up? That seems foolish, as well as unhealthy, to me.

After reading shumphries messages on her for quite a quite a while and reading those of her critics, I think the answer to rather obvious. "

Hahvahd wrote on Mar 29, 2009 8:18 AM:

" medic, I never said your post was "laced with hatred"; I said that you need to let up on the hatred. It is obvious that you hate shumphries when you chose to attack her every time she posts, even when her posts don't say the things you're objecting to. You made the comment that she was saying her opinion on abortion was more honest than yours, and she said no such thing. She merely said that all sides of the issue should be heard. Isn't that something we could all agree on? I'll admit, medic, that many of her posts have been one-sided in the past, but aren't we supposed to be following the views in the current thread, rather than bringing up old gripes? That's what I meant when I said you needed to lay off the hatred toward this particular poster. You seemed to be picking a fight with her over a statement that she didn't make or even imply on this thread. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:18 AM:

" To Just Watching it doesn't surprise me that you haven't heard of Emily Post. For both you and Curious if you don't like Emily Post how about reading your Bible, you know the passages where Jesus says "the least you did to these who are my brothers you did unto me" (that works both ways by the way, good acts and not so nice acts like teasing shop clerks)or the part about the golden rule. Good lessons to live by when dealing with others. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:23 AM:

" Forgiven you obviously don't have a clue what the concept of FREE and OPEN discussion of ideas is about. Not agreeing with someone,finding the holes in their position and presenting a better argument is what FREE and OPEN discussion is about. ONLY by presenting different view points in OPEN forums can people have a chance to grow and become better people. Now I don't attack characters until that person attacks my character than I will give back better than what I got. The golden rule at work, do unto others what they (obviously) want done unto them. If they don't like having their character attacked they shouldn't attack anothers character. If they don't like having their ideas challenged they should stay out of public forums. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:38 AM:

" LMAOOO at Susan and HAH I will stick with Hun or Sweetheart as those are what they really are "being nice to a lady" not sexual harassment. I do not feel sexually harassed when a female waitress or cashier calls me Hun or sweetheart or anything in those lines, because it is NOT sexual harassment.
Hah I have been married for 20 years, many many opportunities to cheat, but did NOT. So as to your rebuttal of > "." And Rohn, most of the men I've seen who go around calling waitresses, clerks, and other women who are strangers to them "hon" or "sweetheart," as you said you do, could only wish there was a woman out there willing to return those terms of endearment to them.", does not fit on me. And further more I do not even believe that statement you just said. Most of the men that say those things have out grown that cat whistle days, and are just being polite, kind and well meaning, not sexual harassment. You idiots or better yet any idiot would know when they was sexually harassed.
Also didn't Ms start when all the womens lib was going on?? I feel Ms only shows that you are not married or single, but you are one of the women this women that spewer. And I am guessing that the only women that feel that the Hun and Sweetheart comments are sexual harassment also go by Ms. "

HisChild wrote on Mar 29, 2009 2:23 PM:

" So, by your own terminology shumphreys,
When a waitress or waiter calls me Sweetheart or Hun, Honey, or Sweetie, they are sexually harassing me. I just never knew that.

A whole new world has just opened up before me, and I thank you for such enlightenment. :-) "

HisChild wrote on Mar 29, 2009 2:25 PM:

" As a matter of fact, for years, I thought it was rude when anyone called me Maam, but I guess in more southern parts, it is normal. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 3:42 PM:

" And Medic whose opinion do you believe in? You certainly don't believe in mine, or Harry Potters, or Questions. Do you also ONLY believe in YOUR own opinion? Of course I usually present only one side of an issue. That is why my arguments are so strong and unbeatable. I look at an issue from many sides and select the right and defensible position. If you can't defend your position, perhaps you need to find a new position that is defensible? "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 3:43 PM:

" I'm doing my best His Child to enlighten you and help you become a better person. But it is tough going. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 3:47 PM:

" Mr. Gordon men that use hon or sweety are not being polite they are being patronizing. There is a BIG difference. The trick Mr. Gordon is to put yourself in anothers shoes, to look at an issue from their point of view. It is the same as calling a black male "boy" or an adult man "sonny". It's just NOT very polite. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 3:49 PM:

" Oh and Mr. Gordon my mother and grandmother didn't like being called hun or sweety either. It is more an issue of "class" as in... Well never mind. "

Hahvahd wrote on Mar 29, 2009 4:26 PM:

" Just FYI, Rohn, I too am married and do not go by "Ms." but your condescending remarks about the women who do really show how uneducated you are. People back in the days of segregation probably thought they were being polite to call black men "boy," too, instead of the n-word, but it was a way to condescend, just as calling a grown woman whom you don't know as hun or sweetie is condescending, too. In a lot of workplaces, using those terms can get you a serious reprimand and some gender sensitivity training. Too bad they don't offer that at your workplace. "

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 29, 2009 5:13 PM:

" Rohn Gordon, I am acquainted with a number of caring, polite men--including my own husband--and I haven't heard one of them refer to a female clerk, server, etc. as "hun" or "sweetheart."

A kind smile, a polite greeting, an appropriate tip!--these convey respect. As someone else said, "Miss" or "Ma'am" are just fine, too. These show that you view the clerk or server as a person, someone worthy of respect, and not a toy or even a tool.

Derogatory comments about women's lib, the word "Ms." and such, along with the statement "You idiots or better yet any idiot would know when they was sexually harassed"--these all suggest a certain mindset. These comments suggest that you do not respect women who do not behave as you think they ought.

How would you react if one of the women you're calling "hun" or "sweetheart" told you she didn't feel comfortable with it? Would you respect that? Or, would you immediately classify her as one of those Ms., Womens-libber, idiot, not-a-real-woman types who got too "uppity?"

Further, you are in error. Studies have shown that men and women view sexual harrassment differently. What is important is if a woman feels harrassed (sexually or otherwise), not whether you feel as if you are harrassing her. "

HisChild wrote on Mar 29, 2009 5:32 PM:

" :-) Hahahaha! :-)
*Points at Shumphreys*
You DO have a sense of humor!
Thank you...How refreshing! :-) "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 29, 2009 6:50 PM:

" Sorry Rohn, but I've got to go along with the women on this one. Although in fairness, I don't think everyone who uses these terms is particularly being chuvanistic. I think for the most part it's simply ignorance on their part. Personally I use the term miss or maam. Waiting on tables has to be an extremely hard job, and I don't think females who do that should have to put up with "cutesie" names.

And one more thing Rohn, give it up buddy, you ain't gonna win this one. lol! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 29, 2009 7:13 PM:

" LOL looks that way Harry.
Crow Woman those kind of remarks made to me by a server or waitress does not bother me at all. I take it for what it is friendly and kind words, damn sure not sexual harassment.
I do respect women. Heck I have owned the same one for 20 years. LMFAOOOOOO
Come on Harry you have never said Hun, Sweetheart or the likes to a female waitress or server??
How about any of you other men??
How about any of you women in here??? I guess if the women did that would also be sexual harassment?? "

Rotty wrote on Mar 29, 2009 7:33 PM:

" Shower them with lottery tickets, Rohn.
LOL! "

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 29, 2009 7:44 PM:

" I've said "hun" or "sweety" or whatever to my husband, my brother, my son, and maybe a close friend. I would never use terms of affection with people--men in particular--that I do not know very, very well.

I really haven't seen nearly as much of that type of thing here as I did in the South, though. Men AND women could dish out plenty of "hun" and "sweety" talk to anyone they might meet. That didn't bother me since it seemed to be the custom there.

What I personally hated was being whistled at--that doesn't happen much now that I've acquired a more maternal appearance, thank God--but it came across as incredibly disrespectful and demeaning. I liked receiving compliments about my appearance, but having men behave as if they hadn't seen a female for months, that was way over the top. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 29, 2009 7:47 PM:

" Confucius Says -

Man who gets kicked in testicles, left holding bag. "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 29, 2009 8:53 PM:

" HP- I don't mind being called Hon, Honey,Sweetie or Darlin . Of course it depends on the way it's said and without a "leer in the eye" or lecherous tone of voice. Most of "us girls" can usually tell the difference between a gentleman who uses them in a benign manner and a smartazz lecher who thinks he's being "cute".

Many of us don't mind at all. For those who do, a polite "I wish you wouldn't call me that" should be enough. If he's a gentleman he'll comply. If he takes offense and gets testy then "let him have it"!Believe me! I sure know the difference and I've "torn" several guys a "new one" when they were out of line!

Many waitresses and lady bartenders I've noticed call their male AND female customers "Hon". As CrowWoman stated it's said quite often in the south. I've also noticed that most folks don't mind at all in the south or here.

Sometimes I think we carry this "politically correctness" stuff to the extreme, to the point where a person is afraid to say anything for fear of stepping on someone's toes. I'm not speaking of the obviously hateful stuff that's out there and we all know what that is.

I have a good friend(male) who has called me "Darlin Billie" for many years. My husband didn't mind because he knew our friend wasn't being disrespectful. This same friend would give me a big bear hug each and everytime he saw me. He still does along with his "Darlin Billie" greeting.

Lighten up a little folks. Don't always be on the lookout for an insult that isn't there. Save it for the ones that really are. :-) "

Rotty wrote on Mar 29, 2009 9:33 PM:

" Billie, hon, that was a honey of a post, sweetie.
Keep up the great work, darlin!
;-) <--(no leer in the eye)
LOL!
:-P "

HisChild wrote on Mar 29, 2009 9:59 PM:

" :-) I'm with Billie and Rotty on this one! :-)
Hi you two sweety peas in a pod!
*LOL!* "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:02 PM:

" Rotty-No leer in the eye "seen" Hon! :-) "

Rotty wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:16 PM:

" COOL BEANS! "

red,white,blue wrote on Mar 30, 2009 12:49 AM:

" Must be a great burden if you have set out in your life, as S Humphreys has, to 'improve' everyone else. Thank you Billie, Rotty and others for putting this ridiculous discussion in some perspective. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 30, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Red White and Blue it is indeed, but Jesus felt the same way with those he tried to teach,(so I am in good company) and most of his followers still missed the mark. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 30, 2009 8:53 AM:

" Or Red White and Blue I could say "its a dirty job, but somebody has to do it" your parents and pastors obviously haven't! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 30, 2009 3:42 PM:

" Thank You Billie, I knew I was right. Sweetie hunny sugar pie ;-). lol
Crow Woman I 100% agree to what you say about the cat whistles and such. But there is a big difference. Like I said any idiot should know the difference in the way someone acts or says something.
Rotty you just killed me with the Confucius Says.
And that reminds me Susan, Hah and Crow if some one calls you a name like we been talking about and it pees you off remember this > Confucius Says: Better peed off than peed on. :-P "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 30, 2009 6:00 PM:

" Mr. Gordon I raise dogs and have been peed on many times. It all comes down to the kind of person you want to be, and that shows in your actions towards others, the respect you show others, which includes the names you use towards others, and how you treat others even 'lowly' sales girls and waitresses. I am sure they can all read you quite well, your message comes in loud and clear. I prefer to send a different message when I interact with strangers. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 30, 2009 6:15 PM:

" Susan I see the problem here. Just because you feel like this quote from you > "how you treat others even 'lowly' sales girls and waitresses."--------
You see them as lowly people who should not be talked to kindly. But Susan no matter how hard you try you will never make me think that of service people. I can say I am honestly surprised that you feel that way to them :-(. Some day I hope you see your error in you're judgment of people who wait tables for a living. So every time I call one Sweetie or Hun I will think of you, and hope you have changed the way you look at them. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 30, 2009 7:03 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 30, 2009 6:00 PM:

"I prefer to send a different message when I interact with strangers."

.......

And that is why you are, where you are, and in the position you are, today - with no burrito or taco to speak highly of. "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 30, 2009 7:10 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 30, 2009 6:00 PM:
' Mr. Gordon I raise dogs and have been peed on many times. It all comes down to the kind of person you want to be, and that shows in your actions towards others, the respect you show others,'

LAUGHING OUR A$$e$ OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
We think your dogs are trying to teach you something! "

HisChild wrote on Mar 30, 2009 7:39 PM:

" Hi Susan.
First of all, I want to say that lowly sales girls and waitresses are not lowly.
Neither are sales women. Neither are sales boys or waiters, etc...none are lowly.

Secondly, after hearing that from you, I think that the lessons you have been trying to teach me have come to a very tragic ending. :-(

Third, I have raised dogs and cats all my life. I have taken care of other peoples animals as well. I have seen many animals through their last moments on this earth, and never once have I been peed on by them!

It may very well be your dogs way of pushing you to take a bath?

Fourth, God bless you! :-)
Remember, good teachers are always learning from their students! :-) "

Late Bird wrote on Mar 30, 2009 8:14 PM:

" http://www.thefunnystuff.net/viewmovie.php?id=1177 "

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:00 AM:

" I think the word "lowly" was in quotes, people. As a young girl, I worked as a sales clerk for K-Mart and quickly learned that my status there was not the same as the managers'.

To Rohn Gordon: Would you call your female manager or supervisor "hun" or "sweetie?" If you did, how long do you think you'd keep your job?

The line between catcalls and so-called terms of affection is actually rather thin--the mindset behind each can be very similar, as your comments reveal.

Have a nice day, Honey-pie. :~) "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:03 AM:

" Hey Harry the way I see it by others words I did win this one. Glad to know there is still many kind and friendly people left. "

medic57 wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Hah I have been married for 20 years, many many opportunities to cheat, but did NOT.

I'm sure your wife will like the way you worded that. "

medic57 wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:25 AM:

" Of course I usually present only one side of an issue. That is why my arguments are so strong and UNBEATABLE. I look at an issue from many sides and select the RIGHT and defensible position.

I now realize that Susan is always right and EVERYONE else is always wrong. My apologies Susan, you really need to run for City Council or Governor, it's obious that we could all benefit from your expertise. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:27 AM:

" Learn to read His Child note that I put "lowly" in quotes, that is a writers tool to show that you don't necessarily agree with the use of the term but that it is what is commonly used or considered. It means that you are supposed to think about how you and when you use that term. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Sorry His Child I have been dribbled on by more puppies than I can name as I pick them up to hustle them outside when they are being house trained. So give it up. I also raise cats and have all my life. Perhaps you never actually cared for the animals, you left the real work to others. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:33 AM:

" You are right in one sense Mr. Gordon, there isn't any Mexican or New Mexican food in this area worthy of a true New Mexican. I am here in Illinois because I moved back here to get a Masters Degree at the U of I and stayed to care for my parents before they died. I am still here because I have too much invested time,energy, and spirit in this place to leave until this job is done. "

gringa wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:59 AM:

" shump, crow, fb, Hahvahd: go do the dishes. I hear it's theraputic. LMFAO! "

medic57 wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:04 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 3:47 PM:

Mr. Gordon men that use hon or sweety are not being polite they are being patronizing. There is a BIG difference. The trick Mr. Gordon is to put yourself in anothers shoes, to look at an issue from their point of view. It is the same as calling a black male "boy" or an adult man "sonny". It's just NOT very polite.

Wouldn't know about that, I have never been upset when anyone called me sonny or sir or any other non insulting name.

shumphreys wrote on Mar 30, 2009 6:00 PM:
Mr. Gordon I raise dogs and have been peed on many times. It all comes down to the kind of person you want to be, and that shows in your actions towards others, the respect you show others,'

I have had dogs all my life, or at least 43 years of it and have never been peed on yet.

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 29, 2009 7:44 PM:

I've said "hun" or "sweety" or whatever to my husband, my brother, my son, and maybe a close friend. I would never use terms of affection with people--men in particular--that I do not know very, very well.

Never been to Gills have you? Or a truck stop?

HisChild wrote on Mar 30, 2009 7:39 PM:

" Hi Susan.
First of all, I want to say that lowly sales girls and waitresses are not lowly.
Neither are sales women. Neither are sales boys or waiters, etc...none are lowly.

Secondly, after hearing that from you, I think that the lessons you have been trying to teach me have come to a very tragic ending.

It's her upbringing HisChild, someone taught her to think that way towards others. I have met many people over the years who think this way towards others. If not for these LOWLY people, it would be kind of hard to buy anything or eat out. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:50 AM:

" And here I thought this venue was supposed to be therapeutic - thanks for blowing my whole outlook, gringa.
LOL!

Guess I'll go make some no-bake chocolate oatmeal cookies, or some snickerdoodles, and try this venue again, later.

Maybe I'll kick back, relax, think of threads such as this, and see what's up next, in the spirit world.
LOL!

Peyote anyone? "

Rotty wrote on Mar 31, 2009 10:28 AM:

" By the way....

Live long and prosperous, shumphreys! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 31, 2009 10:34 AM:

" She sure did Medic. She also knows and hears me talk to waitresses that way and also sees nothing wrong at all with it.
To me the "lowly" remark was just as it read you was saying " they are lowly"
Crow Woman of course the workers status is not the same as managers. Lmao I figured everyone knew that much. Did you consider yourself as a lowly person??
Also I have seen many managers that run the registers and or wait tables. so the lowly comment can not mean they was just not management. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:26 AM:

" Gosh Medic I've had dogs for 58 years. As I said perhaps you have never actually cared for the critters, you left the dirty work to others. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 AM:

" You should learn to use quotes Medic, but then you do mean that those who don't believe what you believ are "lowly". "

HisChild wrote on Mar 31, 2009 12:00 PM:

" If you truly cared for critters my dear suzieQ, you would know that none of it is 'dirty' work. I've done it all, with all kinds of critters, some ours, some not.

From picking up the mudpies and puddings to nursing with a dropper every hour, to giving shots every couple hours to cleaning teeth and putting in IV's every few hours, I've done it all.

Don't always assume you know what you do not, and then write it as fact.

You have your foot in your mouth m'dear, no wonder you get peed on by your dogs. God bless them! "

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 31, 2009 12:52 PM:

" Crow Woman of course the workers status is not the same as managers. Lmao I figured everyone knew that much. Did you consider yourself as a lowly person??"

I didn't, but the people I worked for seemed to think I was just a lowly student peon who didn't know anything....

You didn't answer my question, though. Would you call a female manager or supervisor "hun" or "sweetie?" Don't you think they might appreciate you being nice to them the way you say you are to the waitresses?

I imagine that fewer waitresses like it than you think. Not many of them would say otherwise and alienate a customer--I don't know, maybe you leave enough of a tip to make putting up with the nonsense worthwhile. "

CHILL! wrote on Mar 31, 2009 2:53 PM:

" Late Bird wrote on Mar 30, 2009 8:14 PM:
" http://www.thefunnystuff.net/viewmovie.php?id=1177 "

Great one Late Bird! LOL!
Try this one!
http://alturl.com/nnjr "

CHILL! wrote on Mar 31, 2009 2:59 PM:

" HisChild wrote on Mar 30, 2009 7:39 PM:
" Hi Susan.
First of all, I want to say that lowly sales girls and waitresses are not lowly.
Neither are sales women. Neither are sales boys or waiters, etc...none are lowly.

Secondly, after hearing that from you, I think that the lessons you have been trying to teach me have come to a very tragic ending. :-(

Third, I have raised dogs and cats all my life. I have taken care of other peoples animals as well. I have seen many animals through their last moments on this earth, and never once have I been peed on by them!

It may very well be your dogs way of pushing you to take a bath?

Fourth, God bless you! :-)
Remember, good teachers are always learning from their students! :-) "

THIS is by far one of the best posts that exists! Go CHILL! LOL! "

CHILL! wrote on Mar 31, 2009 3:01 PM:

" In other words, instead of Run Home Jack, I say Go CHILL Susan! LOL! "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 31, 2009 3:59 PM:

" How funny, if waitresses, waiters, salespeople, and all others did not like being called these names, they would not be calling men and women who are customers these names. Come on and smell the roses sweetie! "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:01 PM:

" And Rotty , my heart stands still with your every post Handsome Honey! LOL! "

medic57 wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:06 PM:

" Rotty wrote:

Guess I'll go make some no-bake chocolate oatmeal cookies.

Oh man, I lost my recipe, could you post it? "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:27 PM:

" If you have done it all His Child than you aren't being honest with us. "

medic57 wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:28 PM:

" "shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:26 AM:

" Gosh Medic I've had dogs for 58 years. As I said perhaps you have never actually cared for the critters, you left the dirty work to others.""

Probably the wrong thing to say.

Susan

I have ALWAYS taken care of my dogs. No one care for animals more than I do, I take care of friends dogs when they go out of town. The last three dogs that I owned had to be put down. Unlike some people, I would not leave my dogs side while they died. (I owed them that much) It litterally tore me to pieces to watch them go. (even though it was painless and the right thing to do) I remember the last one, when we got to the Vet, I couldn't get her out of the car, she knew.
Not taking care of pets has never been a problem with me, I have called the Humane Society and Police Department many times because of mistreated animals, and would not hesitate to do it again. If you want a pet, then take care of it. My 1st Dobe died of Congestive Heart Failure, my 2nd Dobe died from cancer, after $6000 worth of surgery and my last dog (Chocolate Lab) was put down because of Diabetes. I cried like the doorman on the Wizzard of Oz putting all 3 down. No, not taking care of pets has never been a problem for me. Sorry for the rant everyone. That one just tripped my trigger.

Hey Susan

Have you ever put a dog in a pet kennel? "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:51 PM:

" Oh and His Child poo is poo and I am also very familiar with Bull Sh__,both kinds. I was taught to wash my hands and clean off my boots after stepping in it, perhaps you never learned about basic hygiene. "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:53 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:27 PM:
" If you have done it all His Child than you aren't being honest with us. "

Oh yes because you know HisChild, the enlightened ungod shumphreys who knows all has spoken! You cannot possibly be HisChild because you have done all you can to save the lives of animals who don't even belong to you, and that is just unheard of in shumphreys book.

Furthermore, you just must have been peed on...because she was! "

HisChild wrote on Mar 31, 2009 5:18 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:51 PM:
" Oh and His Child poo is poo and I am also very familiar with Bull Sh__,both kinds. I was taught to wash my hands and clean off my boots after stepping in it, perhaps you never learned about basic hygiene. "

********Obviously Susan sweetie, you need to be taught a lot more than I imagined, and the going is going to be tough!

OMG, help me! Any volunteers? It's going to take a group effort to help this one!

Basic hygiene...clean off your boots FIRST, and THEN wash your hands! "

HisChild wrote on Mar 31, 2009 5:21 PM:

" Medic, we're in the same boat here honey!
Sorry about your loss, thank you for your compassion. These little animals we sometimes call our pets are gifts from God, and they have only had compassion for us for many years. Perhaps they are the ones who are here to teach us. They have a lot more going for them than many people, so that makes sense. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 31, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Crow Woman yes I would call them that. Matter not their authority if the y are kind and polite I call all of them those sweet names. As a matter of fact I went to court the 23rd, after court a female assistant State Attorney came and told me something she thought I should know, my exact words to her Thank You Sweetheart. She just smiled and apparently took it as kindness like it was intended to be.
You all can ride this till its dead, and I will still tell you "any idiot would know if it was meant as sexual abuse or kindness"
You know I also bet because I call all young girls I come in contact with those names you guys (idiots) will say that is also sexual harassment. I usually refer to young boys as buddy is that also sexual harassment?? I think it was Susan that stated if you call someone or say something to someone of a gender you would not to the other would be classified sexual harassment. ( or something like that ) "

Hahvahd wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM:

" Rohn, you wouldn't last long in the professional world then, if you're calling managers and supervisors hun and sweetie. Where I work that is spelled out very specifically as sexual harassment and would result in disciplinary action against you and mandatory classes on gender sensitivity. If you persisted after those reprimands, you could even be fired. "

The Curious wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:14 PM:

" Hahvahd wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM:
" Rohn, you wouldn't last long in the professional world then, if you're calling managers and supervisors hun and sweetie.

Well hun, I believe that Rohn has lasted long in the professional world already. I have, no problem.

I would venture to guess that if your boss is your pimp, that might not work though. "

Hahvahd wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:25 PM:

" Curious, we must have vastly different concepts in mind when referencing the world "professional." Mr. Gordon's attrocious grammatical skills indicate that he is not part of an educated profession. THANK GOD!!!!! "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:29 PM:

" I picked up on calling people "Honey, Sweetheart, Hon, Sweetie, Babe, etc,"
from living in this area and being called the same everywhere I went. If you are hearing it all the time, you tend to start saying it too.

I guess that is the difference. Some people tend to hang out with others who swear, and that is not considered harassment of any kind, though it should be. Yet swearing is accepted over some of these names we're talking about.

It shows how messed up this world is becoming. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:37 PM:

" Hola gente!
Cmo cuelga esto en Illinois Central?

.......

I'm not going to get into any of the animal commenting. I was in that line of work for many many years, & I'd rather not visit that issue at this time. I'll save it for another "Letter To The Editor".

.......

Darn! No "Thank You" for saying "live long and prosperous", shumphreys? Rats! I really wanted to say "You're Welcome, Hon!"
LOL!

.......

CHILL! & Late Bird - funny funny videos!
LOL!

.......

Equalizer - aaah garsh, Thanks, you beautiful sugar bumpkin sweetiepie.
LOL!

.......

medic57 - catch my next post.

.......

Wow! Maybe I will go do some dishes, I hear it's therapeutic, especially after a round of this "spirit world".
LOL!

Cookies, I mean, Cheers Everyone! "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:40 PM:

" HisChild wrote on Mar 31, 2009 5:18 PM:
" shumphreys wrote on Mar 31, 2009 4:51 PM:
" Oh and His Child poo is poo and I am also very familiar with Bull Sh__,both kinds. I was taught to wash my hands and clean off my boots after stepping in it, perhaps you never learned about basic hygiene. "

********Obviously Susan sweetie, you need to be taught a lot more than I imagined, and the going is going to be tough!

OMG, help me! Any volunteers? It's going to take a group effort to help this one!

Basic hygiene...clean off your boots FIRST, and THEN wash your hands! "

I VOLUNTEER HisChild! You are a sweetheart, and you are right about boots, then hands!

How fascinating- shumphreys trying to teach you about basic hygiene when she doesn't know anything about it herself.

Just as she is trying to enlighten all of us when she knows nothing at all about enlightenment.

For if one lives in the dark all their life, they know not the light.
=shumphreys "

CrowWoman wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:41 PM:

" As a matter of fact...a female assistant State Attorney came and told me something she thought I should know, my exact words to her Thank You Sweetheart. She just smiled and apparently took it as kindness like it was intended to be."

LOL, you might have been surprised if you could have read her mind at that moment! "

Rotty wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:56 PM:

" No-Bake Chocolate Oatmeal Cookies

A. Combine in saucepan, on low heat
1. one half cup milk
2. dash of salt
3. three tablespoons of cocoa
4. two cups of sugar

When it starts to boil, let it boil for @ 3 minutes.
Remove from heat, add 3 cups of uncooked oatmeal & 2 tablespoons of butter.
Let butter melt, then stir.

Dip out (thickened) mixture onto wax paper, or etc., into a cookie shape.

It should make several cookies.

Let set until cool, eat & enjoy.

Good Luck, medic57!
These are my most favorite cookies!

Bon Appetit! "

HisChild wrote on Mar 31, 2009 10:17 PM:

" CrowWoman wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:41 PM:
" As a matter of fact...a female assistant State Attorney came and told me something she thought I should know, my exact words to her Thank You Sweetheart. She just smiled and apparently took it as kindness like it was intended to be."

LOL, you might have been surprised if you could have read her mind at that moment! "

CrowWoman-------------
Rohn did read my mind at that moment! "

HisChild wrote on Mar 31, 2009 10:19 PM:

" Rotty Honey, Cool Beans, er-uh,
I mean Cool Cookies! Thanks! :-)

Hope your wife doesn't mind...
I love you!
:-) *Going to make cookies now!* "

Rotty wrote on Mar 31, 2009 10:42 PM:

" HisChild - it's all good!
The Mrs is a good egg, if not more so than I.
;-)
LOL

By the way.... this article has gone from mud puddles to abortion, to thinking ahead, to store clerks & wait-staff, to the political correctness of hunny, sweetie, hon, to dog's bathroom habits, to cookies, to who knows what's next....

gringa? Are you sure this isn't more therapeutic? My sides are hurting because I'm laughing so hard.
LOL! "

CHILL! wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:23 PM:

Late Bird wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:50 PM:

" Equalizer wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:40 PM:
I VOLUNTEER HisChild! You are a sweetheart, and you are right about boots, then hands!

How fascinating- shumphreys trying to teach you about basic hygiene when she doesn't know anything about it herself.

Just as she is trying to enlighten all of us when she knows nothing at all about enlightenment.

For if one lives in the dark all their life, they know not the light.
=shumphreys "

Good Equalizer!
I Volunteer also HisChild!
Who else is in? "

Late Bird wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:54 PM:

" Maybe we could all make Rotty's cookies, and have a bake sale to raise funds to send shumphreys away on a bakeashun at an Ashram or reform school? "

Tom Andres wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:39 AM:

" I can hardly wait until tomorrow morning (actually, late tonight) when another Penny Weaver column creates yet another shump string of enlightened brilliance.

Till then, guess I'll put on my galoshes, slop the hogs, clean my boots off and wash my hands (in that order), make some No-Bake Chocolate Oatmeal Cookies, do up the dishes while meditating, come out of my enlighened trance, go out front and check for the newspaper and hope I see the paper-girl so I can say "Thank you, hun!" and pray to God that she doesn't sue me for sexual harassment. LOL "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:49 AM:

" LOL Late Bird you mean a no bake sale. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:52 AM:

" His Child did I just read that correctly?? If so Thank You again Sweetheart, for two things now :-). "

father bob wrote on Apr 1, 2009 9:29 AM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:39 AM:
"check for the newspaper and hope I see the paper-girl so I can say "Thank you, hun!" and pray to God that she doesn't sue me for sexual harassment. LOL """""

if you wore your clothes she might not feel threatened. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:24 AM:

" Late Bird I am not trying to teach His Child about basic hygiene I am just commenting on it, I have after all had a great deal of practice shoveling it on these sites. "

Equalizer wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:39 AM:

" Late Bird wrote on Mar 31, 2009 11:54 PM:
" Maybe we could all make Rotty's cookies, and have a bake sale to raise funds to send shumphreys away on a bakeashun at an Ashram or reform school? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:49 AM:
" LOL Late Bird you mean a no bake sale. "

:) Great idea you two!
How about it Penny?
You want to organize it? "

Rotty wrote on Apr 1, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Excellant, Mr Andres!
LOL!

Good one, Rohn, as well!
LOL!

We are all very enlightened people, thanks in small part to a truely tactical Ms Diagnostic Deary. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 11:54 AM:

" Hahvahd wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:25 PM:

" Curious, we must have vastly different concepts in mind when referencing the world "professional." Mr. Gordon's attrocious grammatical skills indicate that he is not part of an educated profession. THANK GOD!!!!! "
=====================
LMFAO you loose you're stupid arguments, so turn to my grammar or lack of. LMFAO That is what people who loose always do, try to spin it so that the winner looks wrong in some way, how childish that is.
Even with my bad grammar most everyone on here to you idiots that it was not sexual harassment.
so i guess no matter how it is wrote as long as it is readable and people read it instead of trying to find fault with it it was wrote fine so again you are the looser keep on complaining about peoples spelling and grammar and do not read what they say
And by the way I just got home from Micky D's, while there I asked a "manager" what she thought of the word like Sweetheart, Hunny and Hon, and if she felt these was sexual harassment to her?? She laughed and said "no it is not at all. I have always considered them as a compliment to the job I am doing for them"
I said Thanks Sweetheart I was just curious. She then said You are welcome. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 1:39 PM:

" LOL @ fb but you never know after seeing it she might not have felt threatened anyway. LMAO "

HisChild wrote on Apr 1, 2009 2:16 PM:

" Rotty Sweetheart, Behind most good men is a good woman, so I loves her too! *LOL!* "

HisChild wrote on Apr 1, 2009 2:18 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:52 AM:
" His Child did I just read that correctly?? If so Thank You again Sweetheart, for two things now :-). "

Yes Rohn Honey, you sure did read it right!
You are Welcome!
God bless you Darling! ;-) "

HisChild wrote on Apr 1, 2009 2:23 PM:

" The Curious wrote on Mar 31, 2009 9:14 PM:
" Hahvahd wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM:
" Rohn, you wouldn't last long in the professional world then, if you're calling managers and supervisors hun and sweetie.

Well hun, I believe that Rohn has lasted long in the professional world already. I have, no problem.

I would venture to guess that if your boss is your pimp, that might not work though. "

That was good Curious!
*Points at Rohn* ------->
Yes he is in the professional world.
Maybe he just is not in the profession you would like him to be in Hahvahd? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 4:23 PM:

" I know I would not make it as a pimp, I don't like fuzzy hats. LMFAO "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 1, 2009 4:23 PM:

" Seriously, some of the conversation on here is starting to sound like it's coming from a bunch of hillbillies from Appalachia.

Perhaps it's time for two sets of threads, one for intellectual discussion and another one for the rednecks to tell each other how great they are. lol! "

Equalizer wrote on Apr 1, 2009 5:26 PM:

" I know you have a good head on your shoulders Harry, but that last suggestion?
That would make life so boring, LOL! "

Equalizer wrote on Apr 1, 2009 5:29 PM:

" I'm glad that Rohn doesn't like fuzzy hats! "

Rotty wrote on Apr 1, 2009 6:03 PM:

" And possibly another for the "What's Cooking" crowd of retired professors with political servitude? "

Late Bird wrote on Apr 1, 2009 6:06 PM:

" CHILL! wrote on Mar 31, 2009 2:59 PM:
" HisChild wrote on Mar 30, 2009 7:39 PM:
" Hi Susan.
First of all, I want to say that lowly sales girls and waitresses are not lowly.
Neither are sales women. Neither are sales boys or waiters, etc...none are lowly.

Secondly, after hearing that from you, I think that the lessons you have been trying to teach me have come to a very tragic ending. :-(

Third, I have raised dogs and cats all my life. I have taken care of other peoples animals as well. I have seen many animals through their last moments on this earth, and never once have I been peed on by them!

It may very well be your dogs way of pushing you to take a bath?

Fourth, God bless you! :-)
Remember, good teachers are always learning from their students! :-) "

THIS is by far one of the best posts that exists! Go CHILL! LOL! "

CHILL! wrote on Mar 31, 2009 3:01 PM:
" In other words, instead of Run Home Jack, I say Go CHILL Susan! LOL! "

^^^^^^^^^^^VERY NICE HISCHILD & CHILL!

WE'RE SO PROUD OF YOU! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:01 PM:

" Ok Harry cause you feel left out. Oh boy I do not wanna do this at all but here goes, Harry you are such a Sweetheart!! :-)
LMFAOOOOOO and Rotty I do not want to hear a word about that :-P. "

CrowWoman wrote on Apr 1, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Seriously, some of the conversation on here is starting to sound like it's coming from a bunch of hillbillies from Appalachia."

I'm a hillbilly from Appalachia, and I have never heard anything like this--from adults, anyway. "

The Curious wrote on Apr 1, 2009 8:04 PM:

" Oh, are the adults in Appalachia? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 1, 2009 8:37 PM:

" LOL Crow Woman that was a good one. Are you saying they only grunt at each other?? Cause I am sure hillbillies use the terms Hunny, Sweetheart, and Hon to the ladies there also. "

HerChild wrote on Apr 1, 2009 9:09 PM:

" No adults, not much talking, sadly just a bunch of kids that keep having kids. "

Rotty wrote on Apr 1, 2009 9:37 PM:

" Not a peep out of me, Rohn.
LOL!

.......

On a more serious note, comment venues/forums are a place for discussion & debate, but, in all of them that I've ever been through, or that I'm registered at, NO-WHERE does it state how serious, silly, or even how realistic, they should be.

Boy, alot of folks sure preach about monitor wannabes, but sure just can't seem to follow their own advice.

I'm no-where near perfect for all of the jazz I've ever posted, & I'm sure I've broken the "sacred" posting rules by leaps & bounds, but I'm still going to say something to those who don't like to practice what they preach....

Please remove the corn cob or the stick from your arse, & lighten up a bit!

You say "grow up", I say, "live & let live".

We all have our ups & downs, & have made our less than civilized posts, do you really want to go there?

Relax & enjoy the anonymity for a change!

Now, for Mrs Rotty's 2 cents....

John 8:7
"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." "

Rotty wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:03 PM:

" By the way....

I'm Doh! "

Rotty wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:08 PM:

" APRIL FOOLS!

LOL! "

Equalizer wrote on Apr 1, 2009 10:46 PM:

" LOL Rotty Sweety and the Mrs. Goodegg too,
You're great! :) "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 2, 2009 8:55 AM:

" Crow Woman these guys are a pack of jackals, circling the herd looking for a weak individual or an unprotected baby, and when they THINK they find one they all pounce at once for what they THINK will be a feeding frenzy, the only problem is their "prey" is armor coated and their teeth and claws don't even penetrate the hide and they end up feeding off of themselves.The blood they taste is theirs. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 2, 2009 8:56 AM:

" LOL @ Mrs Goodegg "

The Curious wrote on Apr 2, 2009 11:18 AM:

" shumphreys , you sure address a lot to CrowWoman-yourself, LOL!

The funny thing is that what you usually say when talking to CrowWoman applies perfectly to yourself! "

Equalizer wrote on Apr 2, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:57 PM CDT
Charleston to close recycling drop-off bins April 30...

......I saw this today, and it disappeared into the archives already. Is Charleston hiding something? "

Rotty wrote on Apr 2, 2009 2:14 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Apr 2, 2009 8:55 AM:

"looking for a weak individual or an unprotected baby"

.......

From another thread:
(sorry FB - LOL!)

father bob wrote on Apr 1, 2009 9:53 PM:

"and we want to eat your babies!!"

.......

Define "irony".
LOL!

.......

Shumphreys, you're the last person on earth that should speak of penetration, hun.
LOL! "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 2, 2009 4:11 PM:

" Only if the shoe fits Curious. Since you seem upset by what I write I must have selected your size. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 2, 2009 4:33 PM:

" The Curious last night you asked a question. I answered with a joke, now cant find the thread, I am not ignoring your comments LOL. "

Tom Andres wrote on Apr 2, 2009 4:38 PM:

" Rotty, POST OF THE DAY!!!!!!!

(scratch that ... OF THE WEEK, whoops, check ... OF THE MONTH)!!!!!!!! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 2, 2009 6:34 PM:

" Susan tells Crow Woman this about us > "the only problem is their "prey" is armor coated and their teeth and claws don't even penetrate the hide"
-----------------
So Susan are you telling us you're skin is as fake as you seam to be?? "

Equalizer wrote on Apr 2, 2009 10:03 PM:

" Rotty, LOL!
Rohn, yes she is!
LOL! "

Rotty wrote on Apr 2, 2009 10:03 PM:

" [sittin on cloud 9]
:-D

Thanks, Mr Andres!

Ms Hypocrite Humphreys was deserving of a phenomenal cyber wedgie today.

Donations will be accepted at the door.
LOL! "

Equalizer wrote on Apr 2, 2009 10:05 PM:

" We always thought that shumphreys and CrowWoman should email each other.
Since they are one in the same, I guess that would get pretty boring though.
There would be no audience. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 3, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Me thinks they doth protest too much, I must have hit the nail directly on the head, or found a shoe that fits them all. Talk about cyber wedgies, I think it is Rotty who has gotten his knickers in a knot! Give it up kids, you lost this battle a long time ago. "

ed miller wrote on Apr 3, 2009 9:27 AM:

" medic57 wrote on Mar 31, 2009 8:25 AM:
" Of course I usually present only one side of an issue. That is why my arguments are so strong and UNBEATABLE. I look at an issue from many sides and select the RIGHT and defensible position.

I now realize that Susan is always right and EVERYONE else is always wrong. My apologies Susan, you really need to run for City Council or Governor, it's obious that we could all benefit from your expertise. "

ROTFLMAO Medic, when I read that, I almost spit coffee all over my keyboard. How can someone be so full of their self? I now understand why Susan doesn't believe in God. She thinks that she IS God. "

HisChild wrote on Apr 3, 2009 10:29 AM:

" Rotty! You stole my line earlier!
Cooooooolllllll Beeeaaannnsss! *LOL!*

In other news...I'm glad for Mrs. Goodegg's sake that they were No-Bake cookies! :-)

(((((((((Rotty & Mrs. Goodegg!))))))))))) *****************Squish!***************** "

The Question wrote on Apr 3, 2009 2:33 PM:

Beaches wrote on Apr 3, 2009 2:51 PM:

" Perhaps I missed a post by Tom that was more offensive. When does being sarcastic, or a little obnoxious become sexual harrassment? I'm female, and I think you all are stretching here. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 3, 2009 3:21 PM:

" Honestly Mr. Miller I can't help it if I am brighter, cleverer, more intelligent, more compassionate than you Christians. It comes from not being afraid of life. "

CrowWoman wrote on Apr 3, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Beaches, I essentially said that Andre's comments were obnoxious. Shumphreys said, I believe, she thought they were rude but could be interpreted by some as sexual harassment. Hahvahd may have said something along those lines as well. Nothing more, nothing less.

From there, it was only a matter of time before the yahoo-esque comments began proliferating. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 3, 2009 7:02 PM:

" Thank You Beaches nice to hear another lady speak up.
The Question sides with Susan, Oh boy who did not see that one?? And who cares either?? "

Rotty wrote on Apr 3, 2009 7:14 PM:

" The atheist's "Raid" has no ill-effects on a good Christian sting.

Life is sweet & Christianity will always fly.

Aim High! "

ed miller wrote on Apr 3, 2009 7:38 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Apr 3, 2009 3:21 PM:
" Honestly Mr. Miller I can't help it if I am brighter, cleverer, more intelligent, more compassionate than you Christians. It comes from not being afraid of life. "

No, it's just another aspect of your fantasy world where you are queen of the fairies, or something. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 4, 2009 8:04 AM:

" You are correct in your summary Crow Woman, it doesn't take much for the jackals as I call them or the insects as Question calls them to twist a discussion around. Sexual Harassment is a serious problem in the work place and in social situations. The line is not clearly drawn as to what constitutes harassment and what doesn't: unequal treatment of men and women and/or harassment of a sexual nature. Many young men find themselves in serious trouble for what they consider "teasing". It is all in the eyes of the beholder. AND in my opinion better to err on the side of caution and treat all with respect. "

Harry Potter wrote on Apr 4, 2009 8:47 AM:

" It looks like ed got tired of getting bested on the political threads so now he's going after Susan. Careful eddie, you're probably gonna take a worse licking with her. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 4, 2009 9:16 AM:

" The lovely Crow Woman tells us >"From there, it was only a matter of time before the yahoo-esque comments began proliferating. "
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The first sign of it starting >"shumphreys wrote on Mar 27, 2009 12:58 PM:
" And Mr. Andres I agree with Crow Woman your cute remark to the sales girl would be considered sexual harassment in some circles"
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just watching wrote on Mar 27, 2009 4:49 PM:
" Shumpries how did you get sexual harrassment out of someone asking a sales person for a pair of "french goloshies" ? I gotta ask? "
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Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 28, 2009 8:42 AM:
" How did I know susan would be one of those sexual harassment yappers also. Tom said nothing sexual in his post.
I always felt calling a female waitress "hun or sweetheart"(which I still do) a lot nicer than "hey or hey you" but now thats sexual harassment, "what a joke".
shumphreys wrote on Mar 28, 2009 9:06 AM:
" Just Watching For Some, sexual harassment is doing something to one sex that you wouldn't do to the other that harasses them in some way, makes their job unpleasant
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shumphreys wrote on Mar 28, 2009 12:08 PM:
" Sexual harassment isn't a JOKE Mr. Gordon. Yes calling women 'hun' is offensive whether it comes from a customer or the waitress
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Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:38 AM:
" LMAOOO at Susan and HAH I will stick with Hun or Sweetheart as those are what they really are "being nice to a lady" not sexual harassment. I do not feel sexually harassed when a female waitress or cashier calls me Hun or sweetheart or anything in those lines, because it is NOT sexual harassment.
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So yes we see exactly where the "yahoo-esque comments began proliferating. " We was just combating ignorant statements by the local "no one else is ever right" old biddies. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 4, 2009 10:39 AM:

" How can I be God and Queen of the Fairies at the same time Mr. Miller? Perhaps it is you that is in fantasy land? "

just watching wrote on Apr 4, 2009 4:16 PM:

" Shumpries, Whats a christian?? "

Rotty wrote on Apr 5, 2009 10:08 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Apr 4, 2009 8:04 AM:

"it doesn't take much for them to twist a discussion around."

.......

The tactful twist & spin of hypocrite humphreys doesn't take too long, either.

Again I say....

Define "irony".
LOL! "

Rotty wrote on Apr 5, 2009 10:17 AM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 4, 2009 9:16 AM:

"So yes we see exactly where the "yahoo-esque comments began proliferating."

.......

Good post, Rohn! "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 5, 2009 10:23 AM:

" Just Watching that is a question I tried to get folks to address a year ago. There are many different views on what makes a person a Christian. I accept the definition given by Eric Hoffer, author of "True Believer". A Christian is a person who believes that Jesus is the one and only son of God. I know that Jesus is just one of many,Buddha, Lao Tzu, you and I we are all sons and daughters of God. None are holier than any other. Some behave better than others, are wiser and more compassionate than others, but none are holier than any others. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 5, 2009 10:40 AM:

" Sorry Mr. Gordon as I pointed out it would be considered sexual harassment in some circles. And what are you teaching your sons or grandsons with your remarks Mr. Godon? That being rude is OK, that "teasing" is a legitimate to socially interact with strangers OR in the work place? You could be getting them into serious trouble if you don't try to teach them to respect others. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 5, 2009 11:59 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Apr 4, 2009 8:04 AM: Sexual Harassment is a serious problem in the work place and in social situations. The line is not clearly drawn as to what constitutes harassment and what doesn't: unequal treatment of men and women and/or harassment of a sexual nature. Many young men find themselves in serious trouble for what they consider "teasing".--------------
Ok Susan I say I agree with that statement. Very well said. The only thing I have to add to that is it is not fair at all that men are more punished for teasing than women are. It either is wrong for both to tease like that or neither. I agree sexual teasing is wrong when it is unwanted. But no one will ever make me agree that telling a female Thanks Sweetheart or other kind words for something they did for me is sexual harassment in any form.
Also even though I know it does not matter to you, but I feel that you have now understood what we have been saying. So with you my dear this topic is over with me.
I also agree with Harry, Ed LMAO you are biting into a awfully big bite. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 5, 2009 7:50 PM:

" Like I have said before it is not teasing nor being rude in the least. "

just watching wrote on Apr 5, 2009 8:39 PM:

" Shupmries,can one still be cosidered a christian if they abort a child? And do you consider it a sin for a women to take on a manly appearence,visa versa? "

verronica wrote on Apr 6, 2009 4:44 AM:

" Well, it shocking and needed and immediate attention to short out at
the earlier.

Verronica Thomas
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Find out how and what determines interest rates and what information lenders use to get to the actual interest rate "

CrowWoman wrote on Apr 6, 2009 6:58 AM:

" To just watching:

You asked a couple of interesting questions, but how do you define a Christian? How do you define "a manly appearance?" "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 6, 2009 8:51 AM:

" Mr. Gordon I am telling you that I find your use of "my dear, sweety, etc" when addressing me offensive and sexually harassing. Now are you going to stop it and treat me with respect or are you going to continue with what you call "teasing". I also agree that men now days often do get the short end of the stick, but that is what happens as a society trys to change its ways and right old wrongs. To every thing Mr. Gordon there is a season and a time and a place for every purpose under heaven. Think twice before you speak to a sales clerk or waitress next time and see how far respectful words can get you. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 6, 2009 8:55 AM:

" Good questions Crow Woman. Just Watching read what I wrote, a Christian is someone who believes in the divinity of Christ, as Rabbi Hillell once said all the rest is commentary, rules on divorce, abortion, lying, cheating, etc. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 6, 2009 8:57 AM:

" Now Just Watching what makes for a "Good" Christian? As opposed to a not so good Christian, and outright Evil Christian, a fake Christian, a charlatan...? "

just watching wrote on Apr 6, 2009 9:46 AM:

" Crow woman,I'll stick with shumpries definition of a christian,my personal description is, the word christian is just a made up word or lable someone uses to classify an organized religious sect.As far a a women taking on a manly appearence,cutting ones hair short,(butch type style) wearing slacks,ect.On the visa versa part,a man sporting long hair,wearing a dress,ect.I will caution anyone currently raising children be very carefull trying to force feed a child certain religious beliefs.With my experience of the nazerene beliefs,I rebelled,started living a lie do to emmbarressment from their teachings.A person would probably have more success at raising children if they would share spirituality exeriences than to cram twisted beliefs down their throats.I've recently read and seen where organized religion sects are breaking up and people are having great success with the smaller non-denominational churches popping up,where they supply the basics of God teachings.I can,t even begin to understand catholic beliefs,you can go out and "sin" come in and repent to some dude then, your good to go,straight out to the outside tent and comence getting drunk.I'm fortunate enough for someone to take the time to explaine how spirituality works,then helped me apply it to my life,if not for that person I,d more than likely be dead from drug addiction right now.I recently read another comment from Mike Glasscock,on another jg/tc thread,he has a very powerful testimony that relates to what I'm posting. "

Rotty wrote on Apr 6, 2009 11:32 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Apr 6, 2009 8:51 AM:

"Mr. Gordon I am telling you that I find your use of "my dear, sweety, etc" when addressing me offensive and sexually harassing. Now are you going to stop it and treat me with respect or are you going to continue with what you call "teasing"."

.......

ROTFLMAO!

Oh puh-lease, someone get me a fiddle to play for Ms Howling Hypocrite Humphreys.

Oh Ms Tactful Tear-in-the-eye, I double-dog dare ya, Ms Moonstruck Monitor wannabe.

You are some piece of.... shoddy work, HON!

ROTFLMAO! "

CrowWoman wrote on Apr 6, 2009 12:04 PM:

" Just watching, when I think of "Christian" I think of one who believes in the divinity of Christ, what he has done to redeem the world, and who also follows his teachings.

I belonged to a Nazarene church for a number of years but left in part because I couldn't swallow their "entire sanctification" theology. Some of the people there actually believed they had attained some sort of spiritual perfection, and this led to some really obnoxious behavior, not to mention hypocrisy.

You asked about abortion, which I personally believe is nearly always wrong. Yes, Christians can have abortions. The truth is, many Christians have had and will continue to have them. People don't stop making mistakes (making babies when they aren't ready for them) when they become Christian.

I asked you how you defined a "manly appearance" because that, too, is something that people define in many different ways. For example, my mother's church was taken over by an ultra-fundamentalist group that believed women were being "manly" if they wore slacks and had short (not butch) haircuts. Men wore their hair practically shaved to the scalp and, mysteriously, felt it sinful to have sideburns and facial hair. Anyway, I'm happy that churches out here are quite relaxed about all that--girls can wear their hair short, guys can wear it long, everyone can wear jeans, and everything is cool. It still isn't cool for guys to wear dresses, though, and church reflects culture in that regard.

It sounds as if you spent time around some very judgmental people.

As for the Catholics, I don't believe they are more likely than anyone else to fail to live up to the standards they believe.

I basically agree with what you said about teaching religious beliefs to children. I don't want to teach my kids a bunch of rules about God, I want them to experience and know him, and to value themselves and other people. "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 6, 2009 12:10 PM:

" Just Watching it is precisely over the concept of indulgences (paying the church to be granted forgiveness, a great way for the church to earn money) that protestants split from catholics in the first place. BUT I think it is important to see/realize that SOME Christians have taken the opposite to the extremes, all you have to do is declare that you believe in Jesus as your savior and YOU can then go out and lie and cheat and steal and etc. There have been many Clergy View columns and Letters to the Editor as well as opinions expressed on these online threads that support that concept. That is why I keep saying it isn't what you profess to believe that matters, it is your day to day actions, how you treat your fellow man, all of them, especially those that are different from you. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 6, 2009 1:31 PM:

" LMFAOOOOOOO> shumphreys wrote on Apr 6, 2009 8:51 AM:

" Mr. Gordon I am telling you that I find your use of "my dear, sweety, etc" when addressing me offensive and sexually harassing. Now are you going to stop it and treat me with respect or are you going to continue with what you call "teasing"
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Susan when I say that to the waitresses and such, I do not say it as teasing, only kindness.
Susan I think you are a fake joke. as I am sure everyone in here that is honest will tell you those were not sexual harassing toward you. As a matter of fact I do not even believe that they offended you either. But I will stop saying them to you, as best I can.
But like I have said in the past if someone I bang heads with says something I agree with I will say so. I always stay in the middle and try to see both sides of most subjects. With saying that " Susan I think that your feeling of what a Christian is is dead perfect." "

shumphreys wrote on Apr 6, 2009 3:28 PM:

" The point Mr. Gordon is it isn't how YOU see things, it is how the other sees things. Good intentions and thoughtless actions have caused all kinds of troubles over the centuries and have gotten more than one man into "hot water" with the women in their lives! "

just watching wrote on Apr 6, 2009 5:43 PM:

" I wonder why you never see a picture of Jesus with a flat top with wings?I got smacked and told they didn't have sissors back then. "

CrowWoman wrote on Apr 6, 2009 6:45 PM:

" I wonder why you never see a picture of Jesus with a flat top with wings? I got smacked and told they didn't have sissors back then."

Just watching, sounds like you were quite the little troublemaker! :~) "

just watching wrote on Apr 6, 2009 7:15 PM:

" Crow women, It's all good, now that I've made those amends.I wouldn't trade my wonderful nazerene parents for nothing in the world,they can't help it they had that crap shoved down their throats too.Times have changed,alls well and i can enjoy the last yrs clean & sober.....hopefully.Peace!! "

Rotty wrote on Apr 6, 2009 7:22 PM:

" Penny, in a nutshell, there is one sure thing....

Shtuff happens! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Apr 7, 2009 8:13 AM:

" CrowWoman wrote on Apr 6, 2009 12:04 PM:
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Crow Woman that was as well said as any I have heard before. I also never understood the thinking that you had to put on your Sunday best to go to a church. And no before anyone tries I am not saying they should were shorts with their cheeks hanging out or wife beaters. But I see nothing wrong with a nice pair of jeans and a plain t-shirt.
If you believe all of the powers God is said to have, then he can see right past what ever you wear. I always wear jeans and t-shirts, I do not get dressed up to try and look fancy for nothing, that is hypocritical, and that is not me. What you see is what you get, I am the same day in and day out. You will not see me pretend to be something or someone I am not.
Crow Woman even though we batted skulls on the political correct stuff, I still feel we would get along just fine in real life, most things you say is just like I think also. Even Susan and I see eye to eye sometimes. Some day I hope we all run into each other :-). And just because Susan told me to stop, I will, but remember this Crow, "all" ladies that are deserving are always a Sweetheart to me :-). Even though you never said it did, I am sorry if you took my words to you as anything remotely close to sexual harassment. So with this I have came to the end of my sparring match on this subject with you also, but rest assured with the stubbornness of us we will meet again. LOL "

CrowWoman wrote on Apr 8, 2009 8:23 AM:

" And peace to you, just watching--and you, Rohn Gordon. I am sure we will all clash--er, meet again! "