" Wow! Dale is convinced the end is just around the corner.

Perhaps we need to bring back some of Herbert Hoovers ideas to get us out of this mess. His policies seem to work so well for the last economic disaster.

Or how about the latest idea from the House Republicans, another massive tax cut for the super wealthy.

By Dale's definition FDR would be considered a Socialist. Funny that the history books don't say that. Most historians credit his programs for pulling us out of the great depression, and hopefully Obama's will do the same thing.

There are those who dispute that FDR's programs were successful, but then again there are people who think the earth is flat and is only a few thousand years old too.

A recent letter to the editor claimed that our entry into the second world war brought and end to the depression.

I guess that Iraq and Afghanistan didn't duplicate that success on the economy.

Let's wait until history actually occurs before we judge it. "

" wow!....let's see we've gone from muslim, to arab, to illegal alien, to communist, to fascist, to socialist.

whew!!....wish your handlers would make up their minds what to feed the american idiots.

funny...it wasn't socialism as long as bush and paulsen were offering it up....LMAO!!! "

" by all means, let just continue down the same path we have.

i say we amass all the trillions of dollars possible and ship it to wall street on pallets.....then we'll sit back and wait for that rapturous trickle down affect republicans have always promoted. "

" When Bush was selected to be president in 2001, the federal government had a projected $5.6 trillion, 10-year surplus. By the end of Bush's first year in office, the government had a deficit of $158 billion. At the end of his interminable eight-year term, Bush left with a record $1.2 trillion budget deficit and a staggering national debt of nearly $11 trillion.
That's what tax cuts for the rich, no-bid contracts to corporate crooks and drunken-sailor military-industrial complex spending buys you. So much for Republican "economic theory." "

" "Most of us know that the Democrats only voters are the minorities",

We do??? Hmmmmmmm, Whodathunk? "

" Becky don't forget he also said uninformed college children. I don't know very many college children, do you? There are lots of young college adults, and some older college adults but no children. He also doesn't understand that those minorities he is talking about are close to becoming the majority in the US. He might want to be a bit more considerate in the future. "

" To those on the far left- yes you are 100% right that the last bozos in charge were screw-ups and primarily only served their own power base.

We live in the present. What the previous crooks in charge did is over.

The only thing that can be done now is try to prevent the current bozo elites from screwing up now!

What is overly troublesome to so many that arent the drop dead, support at all costs, kool-aid drinkering democrats is how fast the new bozos have and continue to spend money for programs that have as little potential returns as the last gang in charge.

The current gang in charge played their parts to enable the previous theft of huge sums of money from the American citizens and can be clearly shown to those with open eyes, to have received major benefits from Wall Street and the banking industries.

This same group, when confronted with these facts has the gall to protest their innocence and now claim to be the only ones who can fix the problems they themselves played a big part in creating.

A large portion of the populace knows that you cant borrow your way out of debt.

Your gang protests about the defects ran up by Bush, but then push through a stimulus bill and a bloated budget with over 9,000 earmarks. Now there is another stimulus bill and a new budget bill that looks to be even worse.

The chief in charge, after saying multiple times he would root earmarks out, then has the gall to say its last years business and signs it.

His party wrote it and he signed it that makes it his business and him a liar.

Before you protest how many earmarks the repub-u-tards added in your party wrote it and your guy could have vetoed it and didnt!

We have the Federal Reserve printing fiat money 24/7, creating it out of thin air. They pushed out trillions of dollars all over the world and have the impudence to tell us they wont say to whom it was given.

Take a look back through history at how well this type of monetary abuse has ever worked.

If you look with open eyes you will find it NEVER WORKS. All it brings is terrible inflation and economic collapse.

The last election was decided by 7.4% of the voters that bothered to vote. Not much more of a mandate than the previous winners supporters clamed.

Since this gang of three doesnt seem to listen to the citizen any better than any of the previous group and is hell bent on their clearly stated socialist programs to rock our system to its very foundations, there is little to no hope of even slowing them down until the 2010 midterms.

The question isnt if America is ready for the socialism that is currently being forced down the rest of our throats, it is if whats left will be even remotely recognizable as America? "

" Right, Dale. And when the Democrats see to it that they get reelected by the entitlement crowd they can legislate themselves more POWER. "

" BP----Right on!!!! "

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 27, 2009 1:11 PM:
He might want to be a bit more considerate in the future. "

Hmm, she must be a hall monitor. "

" To The Curious, I am worse than a hall monitor, that is so juvenile, I am your conscience speaking outloud for all the world to hear! "

" This country has been going in the
mis-giuded direction for many years.
When it come to the job hunting in coles county it's not hard to figure out,Management has lost track of good
and responseable practices.
Hiring unexperienced to please a union
or unexperience over experienced
to pay lower wages. temp services,with no trianing and granished wages.
In the news lately we here,college Proffessor married to cult member,
Professors in charge of depts And boards
that come from feuding contries.
Politician part or owener's of Goverment Subsidize propreties and corperation.
Hospitals hiring nurses trained from
foreign countries to save money.
Thats like hiring a social worker to
to do building maintenance!!
This has all help create a new minority
the facts could go on and on.
It's time for a change from running this country in the ground for the wealthy. "

" For one I welcome these government programs, we need more than the present government has suggested or will do. Problem though is that without reducing the elites control over the economy you WILL have people dependent on the government. Saftey nets should be just that but when you have corperate entities that can't cut their own salaries to allow job growth. No matter how hard you try to get out of poverty, in our corperate world its hard to move up with in your own class let alone going up in an economic class.

Take a extermely qualified factory worker wants to become lower managment. He probley will never get too.(in fact the more he gets paid the more inclined they are to lay you off) Because the managment position went to a guy who has a buisness degree but doesn't understand the locale of the area, just getting to know the product, and doesn't understand the workers. This increases cost of the company at the expense of their labor force. More effeciently who could hire that factory worker, and only spend money on training for his position instead of almost everything since he has expirence. "

" Most of us know that the Democrats only voters are the minorities, a few scattered senior citizens who have been devoted to the Democratic Party for so long they wouldnt think of switching parties no matter what and of course the uninformed college children.


Yet he won by 8 million votes.

However, when you get as many people as you can (which mainly ends up being the uneducated, somewhat uncivilized and uninformed) to be solely dependent upon the government to support them through Link Cards, Government Housing Projects, Medicaid, etc. then you have the start of socialism.


So, you believe the all of these things were started by Obama? Most of these things have been around since the 30's or longer and have stood the test of time against several Democratic AND Republican administrations. "

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 29, 2009 10:34 AM:

" To The Curious, I am worse than a hall monitor, that is so juvenile, I am your conscience speaking outloud for all the world to hear! "



Excuse me, speak for yourself. "

" Take a extermely qualified factory worker wants to become lower managment. He probley will never get too.(in fact the more he gets paid the more inclined they are to lay you off) Because the managment position went to a guy who has a buisness degree but doesn't understand the locale of the area, just getting to know the product, and doesn't understand the workers.

Spent 12 years at Donnelleys learning that one. Saw 1 idiot 90 day wonder after another get promoted there.
Excuse me, speak for yourself. "

" If you think it is the only democrats who want the citizens dependent on the government you are only half awake. The Government was us dependent on them and have for a long, long time.

The only real difference between the two main political parties is how they want to reach their goal not in the goal itself. "

" Sorry Medic your conscience isn't doing a very good job and needs a little help. Since no one else is willing to take on incorrigibles I stepped up to the plate. "

" As a friend of mine said, this is the Republican plan for the economy: talk a lot about fiscal responsibility; deify Ronald Reagan, in all ways, all the time; practice voodoo economics to double the national debt in eight years; make a lot of noise about earmarks; reinvent history; reinvent economics; block any action to revive the economy and have absolutely no plan for economic recovery, pledging to do precisely what Republican Herbert Hoover did as jobs died in 1932 nothing. "

" Jim1969 wrote on Mar 30, 2009 3:12 AM:
" If you think it is the only democrats who want the citizens dependent on the government you are only half awake. The Government was us dependent on them and have for a long, long time.

The only real difference between the two main political parties is how they want to reach their goal not in the goal itself. """""

i have to disagree jim....only one party has tried to keep the working man "in his place" for the past 75 years, and that party is the GOP. "

" Dale,

Your definition is the Fox/Limbaugh definition.

This is how Webster defines Socialism;

Main Entry: socialism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done "

" The world economic collapse, the free market bailouts, a Red Sea of federal debt, no-bid privatization rip-offs, bankruptcy "reform" for the poor (but not for corporations), electrocuted troops, kidnapping, torture, unarmored troops, crony capitalism, tax cuts for the richest one percent, Blackwater slaughter on the streets, welfare "reform" for the poor (but not for corporations), billions in cash vanish in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Katrina, filthy veterans hospitals, war crimes, disregard for international law and the Geneva Conventions, a domestic police state, theft and fraud charges for the poor (but not for corporations), constant interference in the internal affairs of other nations, illegal wars based on lies and deception, spying on Americans, the assault on habeas corpus and the separation of powers.
Put them all together, they spell "the Bush legacy." Gee thanks, Republicans. "

" Hmmm what party gave us the Great Posi scheme S.S.who put a tax on S.S.? Socialist medicare and mandate you be enrolled. Theft! "

" sapient wrote on Mar 28, 2009 10:50 AM:
" Right, Dale. And when the Democrats see to it that they get reelected by the entitlement crowd they can legislate themselves more POWER. """""

and if they do, you can thank george wtf bush for making it possible. he separated the balance of power which was put in place as a safety net for our basic rights. the rights of the common man. but the imperialistic republicans thought they should be able to leverage that power away from the US citizen.

when you pray to Allah tonight thank bush for his handywork. "

" If you truly believe that one party or the other is truly for the people and not working to make Americans as dependent as possible on the government please take a look at the bills and laws each party has introduced, advocated and passed in the last 30-40 years.

For decades our "leaders" have had us watching one hand while the other one is stealing our rights all the while convincing us that it is for the best. "

" 1cav wrote on Mar 30, 2009 3:20 PM:
" Hmmm what party gave us the Great Posi scheme S.S.who put a tax on S.S.? Socialist medicare and mandate you be enrolled. Theft! """""


well mr. war-hero-by-proxy, i'm sure all the time you're typing crap like that, you're in fact covered by the VA and or Tricare. "

" Conservatives............

Please stop posting here. Leave the Lefty's to their dying media fourm.

Go to Beck, Yahoo Buzz up, Drudge, and brietbart.

Please, please stop posting.....

Neo "

" Neo Con why? YOu'll tuck tail and run just because a couple of liberals, a moderate and a socialist disagree? Thats the point of blogs for for people of different views to get together and learn from one another. "

" Current National Debt:
$11,059,812,123,917.91

The estimated population of the United States is 305,916,593

Each citizen's share of this debt is $36,153.03.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.73 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

So can someone who supports the current crooks in charge please tell us how they are working to do something about this?


http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ "

" Federal Reserve takes the highly unusual step of buying up to $300 billion worth of long-term Treasury bonds.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/dn7vos

John Taylor, a Stanford University economics professor and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, say the Fed's move "raises huge questions about inflation and the independence of the Fed. This is unprecedented."

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So can one of the diehard supporters of the current crooks in charge please tell us how this is a good thing for the citizens?


http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ "

" Financial Rescue Approaches GDP as U.S. Pledges $12.8 Trillion

March 31 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. government and the Federal Reserve have spent, lent or guaranteed $12.8 trillion, an amount that approaches the value of everything produced in the country last year
http://preview.tinyurl.com/cwmq4u
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So can one of the leftists / socialist / or what ever else you want to call yourselves explain how your current political hacks actions in Washingtons in borrowing our way out of debt is a good thing?

Maybe some instances from your own life experiences where this has worked for you would be nice. "

" Bps it isn't a good thing it is a necessary thing. There is a difference. No one that I have heard on these pages thinks that increasing the debt is a "good" thing. But drastic circumstances require drastic measures. Obama inherited a mess created by/exacerbated by the Bush administration and quite honestly there is NO "good" way out of this mess. "

" " Neo Con why? YOu'll tuck tail and run just because a couple of liberals, a moderate and a socialist disagree? Thats the point of blogs for for people of different views to get together and learn from one another. "
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Yeah... right...we are "tucking tail and running"...as you communists provide all the answers... "

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Apr 1, 2009 11:21 AM:
"Yeah... right...we are "tucking tail and running"...as you communists provide all the answers... """"""



since when were you fascist nazi's running from communists. "

" I don't see much difference in Dale's definition and exbricklayer's . The point is that we do not want or need a socialist government and that is what we currently have. Wall Street Wonders and Lobbyists with no regard for what is best for our country or the people in it. Wake up, America, if only to see the downhill slide. Oh, and Harry Potter, you might be surprised at what IS just around the corner...but then again maybe you can see it on one of Big Brother's cameras. "