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Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:04 PM CDT
LETTER: Obama order may accept Hamas militants

BILL OGLE, Ashmore

President Obama signed an executive order on Jan. 27 to immigrate thousands of Hamas Palestinians into the U.S. but you didn’t hear it on the liberal news media outlets, I wonder why?

This executive order was signed Jan. 27 and is in the Federal Register; follow this link to it: www.the federalregister.com/s.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488.

None of the Arab countries would take these immigrants, but President Obama is spending 20 million of our tax dollars to bring in the radical Palestinians who support bombing/murdering Americans. So why wait for a 737 to fly into the World Trade Centers again, just bring them in and let them in and let them start their suicide bombings of Americans right in our large cities. In my opinion this borders on treason. This president is the most radical liberal to ever sit in the White House. He is destroying America by his radical liberal policies, tax and spending us into bankruptcy, the most radical re-distribution of wealth in U.S. history, planning on nationalizing the banks, energy, transportation systems, having all military personnel pledge allegiance to him and not to our country/constitution.

It is way past time that this president be impeached, and the move should begin today before it is too late to stop his moving our country from a democracy to a socialist/communist country. Wake up America; your days of glory, freedom and independence are disappearing right before your eyes.

BILL OGLE

Ashmore

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exbricklayer wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:05 AM:

" Bill,

Did you get this news from Fox or Limbaugh? Either way, apparantly you're the only one who heard it. "

The Question wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:39 AM:

" Another brain trust heard from. "

elbert wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Mr. Ogle

Thank you for your letter about the executive order

I went to the web site you provided but was unable to find the order. There are 990 items on this web site and I scanned 390 before giving up. Each item is numbered so if you would be so kind as to provide the item number.

Since you have already identified the item it is a simple matter to provide the item number. I will look it up and read it as I believe in President Reagans slogan, namely trust but verify. "

father bob wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:41 AM:

" geeeeezzzzzzz.......... "

father bob wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:48 AM:

" he's really a muslim sent to infiltrate the government in the name of allah! it's a secret arab conspiracy, so mr. ogle, we'd appreciate it if you'd keep this quiet for a bit longer....and by all means don't tell the guys over on the "gun rights" thread about it, we're trying to take the country by surprise!! we've already made allies with all the mexican immigrants and the black folks....just keep all this under your hat.....ok??!!! "

Bill Lair wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:48 AM:

" The link was listed incorrectly in Mr. Ogle's letter. The correct link is www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-02-04-E9-2488
Bill Lair, Managing Editor "

medic57 wrote on Mar 19, 2009 11:50 AM:

" It is way past time that this president be impeached.

Let's see, as of tomotrow, he has been president for 60 days, yep, time to impeach him for all the bills racked up in this country for the last 8 years. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:02 PM:

" READY TO WELCOME YOUR FRIENDLY, NEIGHBORHOOD GITMO TERRORIST?

Democrats spent the years after 9/11 insisting that they could keep America just as safe as Republicans, given the chance. Maybe they had a different set of Democrats in mind than Barack Obama and Eric Holder. The Attorney General briefed reporters yesterday on the plans for releasing Gitmo detainees, which apparently include releasing the terrorists inside the US:

WSJ (March 19 2009) "Attorney General Eric Holder said some detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may end up being released in the U.S. as the Obama administration works with foreign allies to resettle some of the prisoners.

Mr. Holder, in a briefing with reporters, said administration officials are still reviewing individual cases of the approximately 250 detainees to determine which will be put on trial and which may be released to comply with plans to close the detention facility by next year."

++++++++

Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Barry Hussein Obama.

Sleep tight folks. "

jrussell wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:32 PM:

" I'm sure the folks in IRAQ sleep tight BLUEDOG, afterall there were those children they bombed, that lady going to the market they shot, a video of a man getting shot while our troops laugh hysterically, an interview with a soldier discussing the rush of killing someone and wanting to do it more, Those so called TERRORISTS in Gitmo have yet to be tried dufus, American values state innocent until proven guilty not "throw 'em in prison and figure it out later." There is some REPUBLICAN value for you "

jrussell wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:35 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Mar 19, 2009 11:50 AM:

" It is way past time that this president be impeached.

Let's see, as of tomotrow, he has been president for 60 days, yep, time to impeach him for all the bills racked up in this country for the last 8 years. "

...pfff, we let Bush run us through a war that had no point for how long? and then after we discovered the lack of weapons of mass destruction it continued for how long...oh wait it isn't even over yet, if you want to start finding reasons to impeach Obama maybe you should start first with finding reasons to stick BUSH in GITMO with the rest of the so called terrorists that we kidnapped, we KIDNAPPED those people, find me proof that we've tried these people "

jrussell wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:36 PM:

" BLUEDOG is a weapon of mass DISTRACTION, perhaps we should declare war I mean afterall we have REAL proof of that lol "

father bob wrote on Mar 19, 2009 1:04 PM:

" the said link is a response by the US for aid to gaza and it's people. it says nothing regarding bringing immigrants to the US, nor does it infer the same.

the US is funding much needed supplies to gaza, along with many other countries. "

The Question wrote on Mar 19, 2009 1:39 PM:

" Check the (finally corrected) link. This letter is dead wrong, and nothing but a lot of overheated hot air. Why is the newspaper publishing factually incorrect letters without an accompanying editor's note correcting them? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 2:00 PM:

" Looks like jrussell wants to continue his harassment on this thread.

Oh and, it looks like you finally decided to come clean with your latent hatred for the military huh junior.

That's a shame, kid. "

Becky wrote on Mar 19, 2009 2:37 PM:

" Thank you for the correction Mr. Lair. Mr. Ogle, it's not an open invitation for Palestinians to head for our shores, it's just an approval of the US giving emergency MONEY to the Palestinians for emergency relief to be used for food, medicine and whatever else is needed. We are not about to get an influx of PLO recruits any time soon. "

SSFAN wrote on Mar 19, 2009 4:20 PM:

" jrussell

Time to go back to 1st grade there my boy, your quote of me was a quote of someone else. You really need to read all of the posts to get some of them. "

usmcvet wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:42 PM:

" exbricklayer, it's the truth whether Beck,Hannity or O'Reilly said it, they are the only ones that speak the truth about your homey Nobama. Real good job he and his cronies are doing. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:54 PM:

" (usmcvet wrote - "the only ones that speak the truth about your homey Nobama. Real good job he and his cronies are doing.")

Yep usmcvet,

Obama is a liar, plain and simple.
And with each passing day more and more Americans are realizing that. Even his disciples.

P.S. Thank you for your service usmcvet. "

FATHER BOB wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:04 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:54 PM:

" P.S. Thank you for your service usmcvet. """"""

trying to score points butwipe??? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:33 PM:

" Bobby hates the military and he really hates it when people thank veterans for their service.

Sad really. "

jrussell wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:17 PM:

" SSFAN wrote on Mar 19, 2009 4:20 PM:
" jrussell

Time to go back to 1st grade there my boy, your quote of me was a quote of someone else. You really need to read all of the posts to get some of them. "

I'm sorry where did I quote you again lol, I suppose I'm missing something unless you use two names "

jrussell wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:18 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 6:54 PM:
" (usmcvet wrote - "the only ones that speak the truth about your homey Nobama. Real good job he and his cronies are doing.")

Yep usmcvet,

Obama is a liar, plain and simple.
And with each passing day more and more Americans are realizing that. Even his disciples.

P.S. Thank you for your service usmcvet. "

...well tell us why you didn't vote for your type Bluedog lol, you know you speak of rebellion and all that jazz but your the one who doesn't support the president of our fine country lol "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 10:30 PM:

" (jrussell - "...well tell us why you didn't vote for your type Bluedog lol, you know you speak of rebellion and all that jazz but your the one who doesn't support the president of our fine country lol")

What?

That made absolutely no sense whatsoever, kid.

Are you burning and blogging again, junior? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 20, 2009 7:24 AM:

" Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday.

"There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

CBS news-

When the entire story of Bush's war gets out, it's not going to be very pretty, and neither is his legasy.... "

father bob wrote on Mar 20, 2009 9:57 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:33 PM:
" Bobby hates the military and he really hates it when people thank veterans for their service.

Sad really. """""

what's really sad is a perverted sociopath trying desperately to garner friendship from anyone he can, and saying anything he might deem complimentary in order to find someone who might like him for a nanosecond. "

father bob wrote on Mar 20, 2009 10:11 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 20, 2009 7:24 AM:
" Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday.

"There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

CBS news-

HP....now you can't go citing an actual news network. you'll be blasted by the radical wingnuts.

you know the guys who watch Fox News...the network who admitted in court they could misrepresent, misconstrue, and alter actual news information because they are not actually a "news" network, but an entertainment network....and their broadcasts were for entertainment only. "

father bob wrote on Mar 20, 2009 10:13 AM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 19, 2009 1:39 PM:
" Check the (finally corrected) link. This letter is dead wrong, and nothing but a lot of overheated hot air. Why is the newspaper publishing factually incorrect letters without an accompanying editor's note correcting them? """"

if they did that TQ, they'd have to follow Dorothy around all day throwing down disclaimers for publishing misinformation. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 20, 2009 12:13 PM:

" Ok Bill its almost insane to say that Obama's a radical leftist. He has moved more towards the middle and right since he's become president.
For one we need to get rid of our sense of zenophobia. I say allow them to come into our country after proper checks on their backgrounds. There is no redistrubtion of wealth besides taxes. This isn't Pol Pot and his crazy regime (where he took the city folk put them in the country and took the farmers and put them in the city). Yet I'm for a more redistrubtion of wealth. 97% of our countries wealth is owned by 1% percent of our country. Bill you are not the one percent, you should welcome a more equitable change.

Obama is just like every politician and government official trying to keep power. Just like Franklin Roosevelt who only did that amount of spending for infranstructure because he feared America becoming socialist and loosing his power. Not because he cared for the people.

Yet lets look at Bush's policies and see if they point towards a trend of Facism as well.
-Making descions through excutive orders instead of letting congress decide.

-Increased excutive power

- (this isnt a sign of facism but)Bush was the one who created this massive debt. A tax cut and a war(or "police action") is the worst idea a leader has come up with, you raise taxes during times of war to cover the amount of spending for an increased military

-The detainment of arab-americans in camps shortly after 9-11

-The patriot act (which is the most disgusting piece of legeslation I have ever whitnessed, hello can we say memorex)((by the way obama has yet to rescend that law))

We are heading down a road of facism with whatever of the two parties we choose, its all about power folks. "

SSFAN wrote on Mar 20, 2009 12:39 PM:

" Actually, I use 4 names, (at least), I sometimes argue with myself just to get a topic giong. "

father bob wrote on Mar 20, 2009 12:51 PM:

" yesterday marked the sixth anniversary of bush's legacy in iraq....

by the way....how we coming on the WMDs? "

just watching wrote on Mar 20, 2009 2:41 PM:

" SS fan, The sad part about it is ,that your probably being truthfull! "

jrussell wrote on Mar 20, 2009 5:04 PM:

" SSFAN wrote on Mar 20, 2009 12:39 PM:

" Actually, I use 4 names, (at least), I sometimes argue with myself just to get a topic giong. "

well now we've got that figured out then....i guess lol "

medic57 wrote on Mar 20, 2009 6:45 PM:

" And you think I'm the only one who does it? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 21, 2009 7:56 AM:

" "From out side people"

"They chant the slogan of change but no change is seen in practice. We haven't seen any change," Khamenei said in a speech before a crowd of tens of thousands in the northeastern holy city of Mashhad.

In his video message, Obama said the United States wants to engage Iran, but he also warned that a right place for Iran in the international community "cannot be reached through terror or arms, but rather through peaceful actions that demonstrate the true greatness of the Iranian people and civilization."

Khamenei asked how Obama could congratulate Iranians on the new year and accuse the country of supporting terrorism and seeking nuclear weapons in the same message.

Khamenei said there has been no change even in Obama's language compared to that of his predecessor.
---------------------------------
He sent a message to them, I am sure that is change. LOL
But apparently even outsiders are questioning the change. Several people on here have been saying there is no change. ( which seams correct )
But I also do not think we should make much if any change to a few countries. So in some way I am glad of no changes. There is no way possible everyone can be happy. If we all had lots of money, someone would still gripe. "

JR wrote on Mar 21, 2009 8:57 AM:

" IF this is true, and I'll go with an "if" for now, as there seems to be some question as to whether or not it is [immigration from Palestine] the main question for me would be: why would we be seeking to do so? It would appear to be an immigration quota in reverse, and if that be the case then would these be educated, professional people who would contribute greatly to our nation's society and economy? That would be at least rational. If not, why contribute more numbers of immigrants into the lower tiers of society at a time of economic troubles? I should think we already have enough immigrants to absorb into our society at the lowest tiers already, who already have a hard enough time making a go of it -- why import more? Further, if there is to be aid given to implement the specific immigration from Palestine, then why not some other other, any other country? All people being equal and no one country being more special than any other.

As to the release of Gitmo inmates into the U.S. as per Holder: these are not U.S. citizens. If they are to be released, then they should be extradited back to their country of origin. If their country of origin will not take them back, then why? Are they viewed as a security risk there? (by the by, from reading some foreign newspapers, some of the Gitmo detainees have indeed been viewed, with some veracity, as security risks) If they are a security risk in their own countries, then why would we consider releasing them into our own? If they are not security risks, then they need to go back to their own countries, as they are not U.S. citizens. Would this set a precident whereby any foreigner picked up and held by the U.S. for any length of time at any legal facility be granted the opportunity to stay here if the original country decides they don't want him/her(rules of extradition)? And if so, do we really want to go down that path? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 21, 2009 11:19 AM:

" OH MY: ASSOCIATED PRESS STARTING TO DOUBT THE HOPENCHANGE

ANALYSIS: OBAMA RHETORIC, REALITY CLASH

AP (March 21 2009) In office two months, he has backpedaled on an array of issues, gingerly shifting positions as circumstances dictate while ducking for political cover to avoid undercutting his credibility and authority. That's happened on the Iraq troop withdrawal timeline, on lobbyists in his administration and on money for lawmakers pet projects...

Its the same delicate dance each of his predecessors faced in moving from candidate to president, only to find he couldnt stick exactly by his word. Each was hamstrung by his responsibility to the entire nation and to individual constituencies, changes in the foreign and domestic landscapes, and the trappings of the federal government and Washington itself...

But the shifts could take a toll over time if they become a persistent pattern and the public grows weary. His overall job-performance marks could suffer and jeopardize his likely re-election campaign in 2012. People could perceive him as a say-one-thing-do-another politician and the Democratic-controlled Congress could see him as a weak chief executive.

+++++++++

Uhm.......haven't I been saying this for two months now?

Let's see now:

Flipped on Iraq Troop withdrawal-

Flipped on Iraq- (now calls Iraq a success)

Flipped on Lobbyists in his Administration-

Flipped on Pet Projects-

Flipped on Rendition-

Flipped on Torture-

Flipped on Warrantless Wiretapping-

Flipped on taxing Big Oil profits-

Flipped on the use of torture-

....etc.....etc......

Uh......Yes. Yes I have. "

jrussell wrote on Mar 21, 2009 12:44 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Mar 20, 2009 6:45 PM:

" And you think I'm the only one who does it? "

...nope I'm sure BBD has a few lined up, sad either way, I find it as sad as all these anonymous bloggers too, why blog about your community without having the heart to put a name and a face to an opinion, these are my thoughts not some funky made up screen name and I choose to own them...not randomly share them like a fart in the wind "

name_hidden_to_protect_the_innocent wrote on Mar 21, 2009 12:57 PM:

" jrussell, have you ever read about people giving out too much information online and found dead later? Too many psychos out there for me to give any personal information. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 21, 2009 1:18 PM:

" (jrussell wrote "...nope I'm sure BBD has a few lined up, sad either way, I find it as sad as all these anonymous bloggers too, why blog about your community without having the heart to put a name and a face to an opinion, these are my thoughts not some funky made up screen name and I choose to own them...not randomly share them like a fart in the wind ")

jrussell, you need to drop your moral crusade against anonymous posters.

Look around.

The majority of posters from all sides of the political arena are anonymous in here. It's the one issue that we can all unite behind.

I may hate the opinions of The Question, and Fatherbob, and Harry Potter, and others, but I will never try to deny them their right to post their opinions without damaging their personal lives.

The fact that ALL can express their point of view without serious retaliation or personal consequences is a key attraction of this site.

If you don't like the name-calling and the personal attacks (and frankly I hate all of that bile myself, I simply engage in it out of revenge) then email the moderator to actually ENFORCE the Comment policy already in place here.

No one forced you to reveal any of your personal information in here.

I personally think you were foolish to do so because once it is on the net, it is out there forever. And it can follow you around for the rest of your life.

And quite frankly, I really don't care.

If you want to debate legitimate issues or simply state your opinions on other matters, then have at it.

Otherwise, you can continue to waste your time on this. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 21, 2009 2:28 PM:

" Well said BDD. "

medic57 wrote on Mar 21, 2009 4:45 PM:

" But apparently even outsiders are questioning the change. Several people on here have been saying there is no change. ( which seams correct )

Let's see, Obama has been in office for 61 days.

Any other questions?

If, (as Iran says) they only want Enriched Uranium for power. Why do they want to Highly Enrich it? Highly Enriched Uranium is not needed for Power Plants, only for weapons. They also have over 20 sites for producing and Enriching Uranium, they don't need that much power, they only have 70 Million citizens. They also sit on top of a decent amount of oil. No out there. It's obvious what they want to do with the Uranium. They just need to remember, Whoever fires first, Dies second. "

Locke wrote on Mar 21, 2009 5:52 PM:

" "Wake up America; your days of glory, freedom and independence are disappearing right before your eyes."

Suddenly our freedom and independence matter? Whatever Bill. You're about 140 years too late. "

warrior wrote on Mar 21, 2009 10:25 PM:

" Bill, your wasting your time complaining to the editor of this paper because the only people who voted for the moron are socialist dummycrats who depend on our government to feed, clothe and pay them every month..right FB and HP?? LOL and no reason to respong to my comment just go sit down in front of your TV and wait for the Government to take care of you. "

medic57 wrote on Mar 21, 2009 11:14 PM:

" why blog about your community without having the heart to put a name and a face to an opinion

Heart has nothing to do with it, common sense does. "

SSFAN wrote on Mar 21, 2009 11:15 PM:

" I agree with medic57 completely, at least this once. "

SSFAN wrote on Mar 21, 2009 11:18 PM:

" P.S. Thank you for your service usmcvet

Father_Bob

Just because someone said they were in the service on the internet doesn't mean they were.

You are who you say you are on the Net. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 22, 2009 8:12 AM:

" warrior wrote on Mar 21, 2009 10:25 PM:

" Bill, your wasting your time complaining to the editor of this paper because the only people who voted for the moron are socialist dummycrats who depend on our government to feed, clothe and pay them every month..right FB and HP??

Actually, no. Once again you show your ignorance, warrior. Have you bothered to look at the demographics? Well over half of those voting, voted for Obama and this includes a lot of Republicans. You have made that ignorant and uninformed claim for quite a while, and not once have you actually backed it up with anything other than hot air.

I'll bet the Republicans who post on here are embarrassed every time you post your inane comments on here.

I'm embarrassed for you and them. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 22, 2009 9:45 AM:

" theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 20, 2009 12:13 PM:
" Ok Bill its almost insane to say that Obama's a radical leftist. He has moved more towards the middle and right since he's become president."

You are kidding, right? Please tell me this was sarcasm. It has to be. No one could seriously state that.

As far as your wealth distribution statistic, please state your source. I'm not saying you are wrong, but the numbers that I found for the U.S. were closer to 33%.

How about this little tidbit...

"According to the Office of Tax Analysis, the U.S. individual income tax is "highly progressive," with a small group of higher-income taxpayers paying most of the individual income taxes each year.

In 2002, the top 5 percent of taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this groups tax share has grown faster than their income share."

Now your "right-leaning" president wants to tax this group even more to help pay for his crippling trillion dollar deficits for the next ten years. How is that fair? Why should people who worked hard, went to college and got good jobs (remember the American dream thingy?), have to pay for those who drop out and do nothing? Someone please explain to me how this system is what our forefathers envisioned. "

JR wrote on Mar 22, 2009 9:58 AM:

" I believe the exchange with Iran points to a serious problem within the foreign policy, so far.

Iran can use the arguement of "no change", because that was the overwhelming message that was sent out. It provides excellent cover for their own agenda -- one which they have never given the slightest indication of wanting to change (medic is correct -- plus, Iran doesn't have the power grid in place to use nuclear energy as well). But they play a game with this new administration and they have won some points already (chiefly trying to negotiate with them in the first place -- you do not promise to do x,y,z before the person you are dealing with at least counter offers something). This administration has done that. In jumping the gun, the Iranians have been given the opportunity to reject any offers that don't meet their requirements (forget any the U.S. or its allies might have) and put the blame on this administration with the "no change" charge.

This ties in with the attempted negotiations with Russia (of whom Iran is a client) -- this administration took the proposed E. Europe missile defense shield off the table before getting something solid from the Russians -- Iran is merely following the same course of action.

The effect upon our erstwhile allies (and conversely on U.S. global image)isn't too hard to imagine. (yes, yes, you can argue the "we're imperialist" at this, but it's a strawman -- for by the Iranian charge and it's line of reasoning we are still "evil imperialists" but by our actions of the last two months we also stab allies in the back in futile efforts to kiss up to others, emphasis on "futile" and "kiss up").

Hopefully, this administration can find some way to turn things around for this country's benefit. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 22, 2009 10:37 AM:

" (SSFAN - "You are who you say you are on the Net.")

Pretty much, SSFAN.

But there seems to be a push in here by some to render the opinions of anonymous posts as illegitimate.

Apparently ONLY the opinions of people who use their real names and divulge their entire personal lives, really matter in here.

I say, why stop there?

Maybe everyone should not only post their real names, but also their phone numbers, social security numbers, occupations, complete work history, entire list of relatives, medical history, past loves, present affairs, any addictions, all convictions, and any and all donations.

Then everyone's opinions would be regarded as really super-duper courageous and thereby legitimate.

What could possibly go wrong?

And then when we establish that precedent, we can organize protests to get legislation passed that makes everyone's vote in every election, PUBLIC.

And then we would really really be super-super-duper-duper courageous and awesomely legitimate!

Again, what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah. Let's do that. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 22, 2009 12:33 PM:

" Medic 61 days has nothing to do with it at all. What all did he say he was or was not going to do?? and how many of those turned into falsehoods??
Iran will only change if they elect a new President, and over throw the extremists. I was only saying even Iran sees no changes. You was trying to show me that Iran wants nukes, only a idiot would think other wise. There is more than one country that would make the world totally unsafe if they have nukes.
I see people on here all the time saying things Obama does that he said he would not. I seen facts that prove he lied on his campaign. I have seen lots of stuff. But I have not seen much proof that he has changed much. From what pros and cons I have seen about Obama and his change. With out a doubt the cons out weigh the pros by many times. As soon as Obama gets his own legs underneath his self maybe the changes will come. Until he stops Pelosi and Reid from calling the shots I don't see much chance of change. It will be just the same ol same ol just different names. "

jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:06 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 21, 2009 1:18 PM:

" (jrussell wrote "...nope I'm sure BBD has a few lined up, sad either way, I find it as sad as all these anonymous bloggers too, why blog about your community without having the heart to put a name and a face to an opinion, these are my thoughts not some funky made up screen name and I choose to own them...not randomly share them like a fart in the wind ")

jrussell, you need to drop your moral crusade against anonymous posters.

Look around.

...Then tell me yourself BLUEDOG, what is the issue in you telling us your major and college, you gave me a LOT of crap about mine and I wasn't bragging about it, I want to know if you were afraid of being made fun of or what? what is the explanation because I don't see risks in it, and yes I understand people choose to blog anonymously but I still have no respect for that decision, I understand but I won't ever respect it, why not tell your name, if you make good points people will think the more of you at least, why be anonymous unless you're afraid of something...afraid of your own opinions "

jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:07 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Mar 21, 2009 11:14 PM:

" why blog about your community without having the heart to put a name and a face to an opinion

Heart has nothing to do with it, common sense does

...I disagree...I call it fear...what are you afraid of MEDIC? "

jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Just curious but how do you all justify yourselfs by telling me that I need to drop the anonymous blogging issue...so my opinion on blogging anonymously isn't worthy now lol, I can't share my opinon lol "

jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:10 PM:

" medic57 wrote on Mar 21, 2009 4:45 PM:

" But apparently even outsiders are questioning the change. Several people on here have been saying there is no change. ( which seams correct )

Let's see, Obama has been in office for 61 days.

Any other questions?

If, (as Iran says) they only want Enriched Uranium for power. Why do they want to Highly Enrich it? Highly Enriched Uranium is not needed for Power Plants, only for weapons. They also have over 20 sites for producing and Enriching Uranium, they don't need that much power, they only have 70 Million citizens. They also sit on top of a decent amount of oil. No out there. It's obvious what they want to do with the Uranium. They just need to remember, Whoever fires first, Dies second

...Just remember we have Nukes and so far we are the only country that has used one on another country, do you think we are the world police or something? that is a pretty arrogant thought "

jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:16 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 22, 2009 10:37 AM:

" (SSFAN - "You are who you say you are on the Net.")

Pretty much, SSFAN.

But there seems to be a push in here by some to render the opinions of anonymous posts as illegitimate.

Apparently ONLY the opinions of people who use their real names and divulge their entire personal lives, really matter in here.

I say, why stop there?

Maybe everyone should not only post their real names, but also their phone numbers, social security numbers, occupations, complete work history, entire list of relatives, medical history, past loves, present affairs, any addictions, all convictions, and any and all donations.

Then everyone's opinions would be regarded as really super-duper courageous and thereby legitimate.

What could possibly go wrong?

And then when we establish that precedent, we can organize protests to get legislation passed that makes everyone's vote in every election, PUBLIC.

And then we would really really be super-super-duper-duper courageous and awesomely legitimate!

Again, what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah. Let's do that. "

...that's a sweet thought BBD but the thing about you is fear, fear of being criticized kept you from admitting anything about yourself BBD, you let me reveal everything about myself only so you could use it all against me including my education which is low, I think everyone should know who in this town makes such critical comments, and besides without a name, nothing you say is plausible, it is in its own a nice opinion or w/e but still I can say I'm a duck with purple wings on here and it would mean as much as any other statement on here, I want to know what your fear is BBD, maybe I'm wrong about people blogging anonymously but I don't think i'm wrong about you being a coward "

jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:20 PM:

" BLuedog I like how you joke about the idea of everyone attempting to work together, is that such a bad thought, if we used our "blogging" energy to help better our chldren's futures and actually work together to clean up this county then what have we lost? We have opinions so why not in unity project them to our officials, we all won't agree at first but when you discuss things face to face more gets worked out, online everyone is the biggest crap talker on earth but in public...not the case, why laugh at the idea of working together BBD, your critical attitude is part of the problem, try seeing the light of an issue for once "

ed miller wrote on Mar 22, 2009 3:46 PM:

" There is nothing in inherently wrong with posting under an anonymous name. On that matter, who is to say that the "real" names on here are actually the poster's names? It's no coincidence that "Mr and Mrs Smiths" make up the majority of seedy hotel patrons, after all.

My number is unlisted, but I'm sure if someone really wanted to hunt me down, they probably could. I really don't lose any sleep over it. The sad thing is when people on here use their anonymity to hurl insults at people that they wouldn't have otherwise. I bet 99% of the flamers on here would not have the guts to say the same thing to someone's face.

Before I get all the "why don't you tell that to so and so" replies, posters on all sides of the spectrum have been guilty. I usually try not to lower myself to the name calling or insult wars, but I have slipped up at times. The solution to the problem is simply that the JG moderator(s) need to enforce their policies.

I have spoken to a couple of people on this subject. One person posted an opinion and said they were ganged up on and called names by several others. Another guy told me that he thought this forum was nothing more than a "soap opera with a dozen or so characters."

Technology has allowed us a venue for Joe the Citizen to debate and voice his opinion. It's a shame everyone cannot feel welcome here. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 22, 2009 4:59 PM:

" LOL @ soap opera Ed.
Ok ladies and gentlemen tune in tomorrow and watch the next episode of " As The Stomach Churns". "

Bps wrote on Mar 22, 2009 5:38 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 22, 2009 8:12 AM:
Actually, no. Once again you show your ignorance, warrior. Have you bothered to look at the demographics? Well over half of those voting, voted for Obama and this includes a lot of Republicans.
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Didn't vote for either partys candidates- Instead I did a write in.

Just to clear the air with the facts:

Obama won by 7.4% or 9.5 million votes of the 129 million votes cast.

Thats not much more of a landslide than when Bushs supporters declared it so in the 4+% win the time before. No mandate there.

The exit polls suggested that the economy was by far the dominant concern in the election, with 62% citing it as the most important issue facing the US.

So far, theres no real changes here- Bad defect budgets, huge over spending continues at an even greater pace, ear-marks galore, increasing unemployment, and on and on.

Yes, it has only been a little over 60 days- but with the democrats controlling everything all it seems they can do is continue to make it worse.

In every category they have actually fumbled worse than the republicans did.

Looks like the same old type of gooberment, completely out of control.

How about we all get together, forget party affiliations and start throwing all of these incumbent goobers out in the next election.

Regardless of party, its time to start all over again. "

Bps wrote on Mar 22, 2009 6:04 PM:

" jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:07 PM:

...I disagree...I call it fear...what are you afraid of MEDIC? "
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Pardon me for butting in, but if one feels that they need or want to put their name on an opinion they can use the venue supplied in the papers Letter to the Editor feature. This site lists no rule that same person cant also do so on this forum.

There are many forums and discussion groups that I use all over the internet. I use them primarily for personal research, to find out what people really feel and believe.

Its a way to judge my opinions against the opinions, arguments and FACTS presented by other posters. What they call themselves is of no interest to my purpose.

I feel that using a screen name might just allow someone to post an opinion or some facts that they otherwise would never disclose.

To those who feel using a Nom de Plume reduces the value of information, fine ignore it- just please dont bellyache about it if it is acceptable to the rules of the site.

As several have stated- it is dangerous to post to much personal information in an internet posting.

Some of the sites I use have a rule against doing so and for good reasons. They dont want to be brought into a lawsuit when someone gets too heated, goes crazy and tracks down their antagonist.

Besides those that know me know the pseudonym I use on this site and they all know I am already slightly cracked. ;-) "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 22, 2009 6:28 PM:

" (jrussell - "..Then tell me yourself BLUEDOG, what is the issue in you telling us your major and college,")

I'll explain this again j,

If I revealed my alma mater and my field of study it would significantly increase my chances of exposure, and there is no way I'm going to risk that.

("you gave me a LOT of crap about mine and I wasn't bragging about it,")

No one forced you to reveal anything. And you did so FOOLISHLY. You need to consider your future. You're only 23 years old, you've yet to enter the work force. The information that you've already shared is "out-there" PERMANENTLY.

And just like a tattoo; it might seem like the thing to do at 23, but it could easily end up being a nightmare at 33. I would never advise anyone to do that.

("I want to know if you were afraid of being made fun of or what? what is the explanation because I don't see risks in it,")

It's very courageous of you to determine for ME what might and might NOT be a risk.

What if I reveal it and- BINGO! One of my clients recognizes my identity?

Where will YOU be when that person tells 3 others and they each tell 3 others and so on and so forth?

Will you be there to protect me from the very real fall-out, both socially and economically, j?

Will you be there to protect my wife and kids from some nut-case who decides to target them?

("and yes I understand people choose to blog anonymously but I still have no respect for that decision, I understand but I won't ever respect it,")

Fine, then don't respect them.

And don't ever legitimize any anonymous posters by validating there opinions ever again, okay?

You can't have it both ways.

Either ALL anonymous posters are cowards who should not be respected or validated, or they are ALL legitimate voices. PERIOD. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 22, 2009 6:50 PM:

" That should have been:

"And don't ever legitimize any anonymous posters by validating (their) opinions ever again, okay?" "

Rotty wrote on Mar 22, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Sorry for going off topic, gang, but....
Just a quick question....

Mr. Russell, did LLC Radio, or one of the other places, I believe you said you were at, just give you the "axe"?

This why you seem to be all bent out of shape - because YOU decided to give out YOUR own personal info, it got noticed by your superiors, & you got your walking papers? "

jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 11:59 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 22, 2009 4:59 PM:

" LOL @ soap opera Ed.
Ok ladies and gentlemen tune in tomorrow and watch the next episode of " As The Stomach Churns".

...how we love your blogging about blogging lol, i'm just saying... "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:04 AM:

" Bps wrote on Mar 22, 2009 6:04 PM:

" jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:07 PM:

...I disagree...I call it fear...what are you afraid of MEDIC? "
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Pardon me for butting in, but if one feels that they need or want to put their name on an opinion they can use the venue supplied in the papers Letter to the Editor feature. This site lists no rule that same person cant also do so on this forum.

There are many forums and discussion groups that I use all over the internet. I use them primarily for personal research, to find out what people really feel and believe.

Its a way to judge my opinions against the opinions, arguments and FACTS presented by other posters. What they call themselves is of no interest to my purpose.

I feel that using a screen name might just allow someone to post an opinion or some facts that they otherwise would never disclose.

...they otherwise might not disclose, that is cowardly to me..call me crazy but that is a coward at his/her best, either way I understand the rules of the forum and no it isn't required obviously but I still think in a community forum the fear should be minor and despite whether you care what they call themselves I still prefer to discuss opinions on a first name basis, I understand in other blogs maybe it's fun to compare opinions but to me in a community forum a good civic step would be to know one another "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:07 AM:

" Rotty wrote on Mar 22, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Sorry for going off topic, gang, but....
Just a quick question....

Mr. Russell, did LLC Radio, or one of the other places, I believe you said you were at, just give you the "axe"?

This why you seem to be all bent out of shape - because YOU decided to give out YOUR own personal info, it got noticed by your superiors, & you got your walking papers? "

lol students don't get fired for one ROTTY, this is seriously about the dumbest statement I've ever read, my adviser reads these blogs and sometimes blogs himself, why might one get fired for stating fact and opinion...gather yourself and then try again please "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:17 AM:

" also ROTTY, in case I didn't mention it before, no information was given about me by myself that is worthy of "AXING" someone for, you can't fire a STUDENT for telling his name, his major, his record, my record consists of NO felonies and nothing that can anyway jeopardize the school or the department, In fact I am willing to bet that many students have quite a longer record than mine "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 23, 2009 7:59 AM:

" (jrussell - "lol students don't get fired for one ROTTY, this is seriously about the dumbest statement I've ever read, my adviser reads these blogs and sometimes blogs himself, why might one get fired for stating fact and opinion...gather yourself and then try again please")

Proving once again that you have nothing to risk, j. Your actions have no employment or social consequences because you have YET to enter the work force. You have YET to establish a career.

I assume your adviser uses his real name here? "

Rotty wrote on Mar 23, 2009 7:59 AM:

" Thanks for your reply, Mr. Russell.
You obviously felt it worthy enough to post twice about it.
Guess it wasn't so dumb of a question after all.

The only dumb question is the one not asked.... "

JR wrote on Mar 23, 2009 9:13 AM:

" Jrussell -- moral equivalency (we have nukes so therefore...) is a very bad arguement of logic. I think I would prefer (since nuclear weapons do exist)to have such things in the hands of relatively stable governments and societies -- like America, rather than in the hands of unstable governments -- Iran is not a stable country and hasn't been for quite a while, and it has a repressive, totalitarian government (hanging someone for being a homosexual, issuing the death penalty to a young girl for killing her rapist, imprisoning students for speaking up against the policies of state -- doesn't sound like a very free place, does it?).
It's quite as bad an arguement of rhetoric as invalidating opinions from those who refuse to provide their personal information.

You seem like an earnest young person who obviously feels passionately about things -- that in and of itself is a good thing. Please, further your studies into things and remember to think critically about everything (anything anyone every writes is merely opinion, and the reader has to weigh it as objectively as possible in order to find the truth of the matter). "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 23, 2009 10:56 AM:

" NJ this will be the last time I try to let you see how stupid you make your self look. >
jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 11:59 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 22, 2009 4:59 PM:

" LOL @ soap opera Ed.
Ok ladies and gentlemen tune in tomorrow and watch the next episode of " As The Stomach Churns".
...how we love your blogging about blogging lol, I'm just saying... "
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LOLing at a funny statement, answering a question or talking about what someone posted is not blogging about blogging. It is something that normal people do in the real world. Blogging about blogging would be like, > hey i just posted a post. That guy just answered it with. Then that guy said he did to. And I was doing this all day today, and it was so much fun. Then I typed that big long post, you know the one to a very out of touch guy. You know the one, right NJ?? "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:03 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 23, 2009 10:56 AM:

" NJ this will be the last time I try to let you see how stupid you make your self look. >
jrussell wrote on Mar 22, 2009 11:59 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 22, 2009 4:59 PM:

" LOL @ soap opera Ed.
Ok ladies and gentlemen tune in tomorrow and watch the next episode of " As The Stomach Churns".
...how we love your blogging about blogging lol, I'm just saying... "
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LOLing at a funny statement, answering a question or talking about what someone posted is not blogging about blogging. It is something that normal people do in the real world. Blogging about blogging would be like, > hey i just posted a post. That guy just answered it with. Then that guy said he did to. And I was doing this all day today, and it was so much fun. Then I typed that big long post, you know the one to a very out of touch guy. You know the one, right NJ??

...as I was reading this all I could think of was the adults on Charlie Brown going wah wah wah wah, wah wah, wah wah "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:05 PM:

" JR wrote on Mar 23, 2009 9:13 AM:

" Jrussell -- moral equivalency (we have nukes so therefore...) is a very bad arguement of logic. I think I would prefer (since nuclear weapons do exist)to have such things in the hands of relatively stable governments and societies -- like America, rather than in the hands of unstable governments -- Iran is not a stable country and hasn't been for quite a while, and it has a repressive, totalitarian government (hanging someone for being a homosexual, issuing the death penalty to a young girl for killing her rapist, imprisoning students for speaking up against the policies of state -- doesn't sound like a very free place, does it?).
It's quite as bad an arguement of rhetoric as invalidating opinions from those who refuse to provide their personal information.

You seem like an earnest young person who obviously feels passionately about things -- that in and of itself is a good thing. Please, further your studies into things and remember to think critically about everything (anything anyone every writes is merely opinion, and the reader has to weigh it as objectively as possible in order to find the truth of the matter). "

...define Stable lol, America is the only country to use a nuke on another country, we have attacked Iraq without proper cause, our economy is failing, we are far from stable and once again we haven't the right to police the world, Iran is unstable because they are sick of our crap "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:20 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 23, 2009 7:59 AM:

" (jrussell - "lol students don't get fired for one ROTTY, this is seriously about the dumbest statement I've ever read, my adviser reads these blogs and sometimes blogs himself, why might one get fired for stating fact and opinion...gather yourself and then try again please")

Proving once again that you have nothing to risk, j. Your actions have no employment or social consequences because you have YET to enter the work force. You have YET to establish a career.

I assume your adviser uses his real name here? "

no he sure doesn't but either way how can you still say I have no risks when you say it is a risk to your family, i have family too, still I don't see the risks, i really don't, I won't ask again but I still see you as a coward, and a rude one at that but I feel you do have good posts despite using your name, to me credibility lacks but oh well, that's life "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 23, 2009 2:51 PM:

" Ed Miller, that tax of 33% isn't enough, its not like taxing an income of $50,000. These people mostly made there money by stabbing in the back, lack of moral authority for there ultimate goal of money. Obama isn't doing enough in my opinion. NO ONE needs an income of $100,000,000. Excess! Our government and its ideals have been perverted since our birth. Modern Industrialized Capitalism has sucked the life and wealth from the people. I say tax the rich! Tax them until the accept an more equitable income. Our revolution was just a war over economics. The wealthier founding fathers incited the boston massacre, then denounced those that died saying that taking semi-violent(protesting) action wasn't right. Also our country was founded after Adam Smiths "Wealth of Nations" Stating about how economies should be capitalism, the invisiable hand(see 1800s sweat shops) so we weren't started on capitalist principles. Not until Alexander Hamilton had an influence on our economy.

Self serving interest of ALL government officals is reason enough for a call for the overthrow of the government. Even a two founding fathers would agree.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismemeber or overthrow it" Abraham Lincoln

"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion." Thomas Jefferson

another qoute
"Those that surpress freedom always do so in the name of law and order" John Lindsay "

ed miller wrote on Mar 23, 2009 5:35 PM:

" theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 23, 2009 2:51 PM:
" Ed Miller, that tax of 33% isn't enough, its not like taxing an income of $50,000. These people mostly made there money by stabbing in the back, lack of moral authority for there ultimate goal of money. Obama isn't doing enough in my opinion."

Wow, talk about falling for the liberal class warfare. Whatever happened to EARNING things for yourselves? Just because someone else is wealthy, it doesn't mean I deserve part of what they have worked for. Not all of these people that they have brainwashed to hate were born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Millions of Americans have made a good life for themselves by hard work. The very wealthy are a very small minority in this country. The left is trying to focus hate on them to distract from the irresponsible ways they are wasting our money. "

JR wrote on Mar 23, 2009 7:04 PM:

" There we go again with the moral equivalency!

Contrary to what you think Jrussell -- while America is far from perfect; it is a fairly stable society. Nobody is overthrowing the government; you don't have to worry about being locked up for criticizing the government; we do not have mass starvation and rioting in the streets (what passes for unrest and instablity in this country is mere child's play -- which is a good thing, because believe me, you wouldn't want to experience what goes on in other parts of the world).

Yes, we have used nukes before (right or wrong, I cannot judge, I wasn't alive then), and you are using moral equivalency again! The Iranian regime (which is repressive in and of itself to many of its own citizens -- it isn't always about America! that's pretty narrow visioned and arrogant, America is the reason for everything? please, read some history books -- and not just ones that tell you what you want to hear) is not stable (do you know how many people in that country are actively hoping for an overthrow of their government? Do you know how many Iranians have been imprisoned by their government for daring to criticize? Do you know what the standard of living for the average Iranian is know? (and my dear, that's due to their government's policies, and we are not their government). To top it off this is the same government that has pledged to "wipe Israel off the map" -- trust me when I say if you candidly asked most of the nations neighboring Iran (not just Israel mind you) and even some Iranians, they would tell you this is not a good, strong regime to be entrusting nuclear arsenal capability to.

You need to further study history and international politics -- you have already taken too many slogans to heart. "

oldschool wrote on Mar 23, 2009 10:06 PM:

" Hey "JRussell" Here's a thought.....
Go into your backyard and measure a "square" (10x10) then dig that 10x10 approx. 5 feet deep. Stay with me kid...Now,...after all of that digging your be pretty hungry I'm guessing, so take a break and have some lunch.

OK, now...go back to your new hole and fill it back in again.

No point, no logic.....kind of reminds me of your posts....keep diggin pal "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 11:43 PM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 23, 2009 10:06 PM:

" Hey "JRussell" Here's a thought.....
Go into your backyard and measure a "square" (10x10) then dig that 10x10 approx. 5 feet deep. Stay with me kid...Now,...after all of that digging your be pretty hungry I'm guessing, so take a break and have some lunch.

OK, now...go back to your new hole and fill it back in again.

No point, no logic.....kind of reminds me of your posts....keep diggin pal "

...let me guess, your one of those folks who thinks the American way always the right way, our way of government, our way of religion, our way of economics, I suppose you feel that we have the right to force those ideals upon other countries even though really the Iraq war was simple strategic movement to increase american power in the middle east just to make a profit, I suppose you can justify us owning the world and controling who has weapons all the while we toy with them like a game of candy land , To me the American way hasn't really proven to be perfect by any means and definetely not perfect enough to force on the world, we have homeless, hungry, dying, religious, crime ridden, and serious economic issues on our hands not to mention once again a war that was never proven justified "

jrussell wrote on Mar 23, 2009 11:48 PM:

" JR wrote on Mar 23, 2009 7:04 PM:

" There we go again with the moral equivalency!

Contrary to what you think Jrussell -- while America is far from perfect; it is a fairly stable society. Nobody is overthrowing the government; you don't have to worry about being locked up for criticizing the government; we do not have mass starvation and rioting in the streets (what passes for unrest and instablity in this country is mere child's play -- which is a good thing, because believe me, you wouldn't want to experience what goes on in other parts of the world).

...I agree the country isn't nearly as bad as many but still it isn't perfect enough nor morally right to force the American way on the world, Do you honestly think we have that right? It doesn't matter if they pledge to wipe Israel off the map, that is Israel's beef, a lot of countries on this planet have to fear being wiped off their map, the thing is we don't pay to attention to the small map, the little people, due to religious issues we will back Israel but to he** with the other countries in need of some stability, Don't get my view on America wrong, I fully support my country but I don't agree with it pushing itself off on other countries "

jrussell wrote on Mar 24, 2009 12:20 AM:

" one more quick note JR, Remember when Germany was invading other countries or perhaps Japan, we were the ones stopping that eventually, now we are the ones invading countries, I know bad things were going on in Iraq as is the situation in many countires but they had not invaded anyone, Iraq and Iran have not done anything worthy of invading them, we have become the imperialistic, we are now the invaders lol "

jrussell wrote on Mar 24, 2009 12:23 AM:

" ALSO why didn't we do anything when Russia invaded Georgia or step in between Israel and the palestinians, what baout the situation in Madagascar, why do we ignore some issues and pay attention to others that haven't become problems yet? "

saintdanger wrote on Mar 24, 2009 5:06 PM:

" Since when was everyone who lived in Gaza a Terrorist? What kind of racist statement is that? I'm sorry, but I've not time to debate with bigots. I didn't read anything in there about Hamas. Maybe it's just that I'm smart enough to know that not everyone in a country is a terrorist just because terrorists can come from there. Otherwise, I'd look at the US and think "They produce terrorists" because of our Unibomber and the Oklahoma City Bombing. Oh, BTW, the moves that were made to remove personal freedoms and hold people without cause or any sort of legal rights (GITMO) is a much closer move to a communist society than anything I've seen so far. Nationalize the banks to save them, or let them fail and see what happens to the economy. Anyone remember what happens when banks fail? October 29th ring a bell to anyone? Open your eyes, open your minds, and for the sake of the Almighty, THINK. "

father bob wrote on Mar 24, 2009 8:29 PM:

" i agree saint.....and have you noticed the headlines of the past couple of weeks exposing israeli war crimes. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 25, 2009 8:21 AM:

" Everyone who lives in Gaza are no way all terrorists. Just like every other country that is led by or harbors it is. That is even true in the different religions. Not all islamist are terrorists. It is the idiots and radicals that use these things as excuses to why they are doing the terrorism. It has been proven throughout time that if just a few are eliminated, even whole Countries can be seen in a different view. People was tortured under the Bush administration. Does that mean we all like, participate or even agree with it?? NO IT DOES NOT and we DO NOT. That is exactly what people are saying when they say the whole of a society is terrorists, evil, or even communist. Just because the elected or forced their way in leaders say it is so. All of the people of a place or religion should never be all called one thing or the other, just like us in here we are all different. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 25, 2009 8:31 AM:

" Comments from Bobbyboy Jindal:

"Make no mistake: Anything other than an immediate and compliant, 'Why no sir, I don't want the president to fail,' is treated as some sort of act of treason, civil disobedience or political obstructionism," Jindal said at a political fundraiser attended by 1,200 people. "This is political correctness run amok."

Political correctness run amok? Why it seems just yesterday that a certain VP was saying that if you criticised the Iraq invasion you were being unAmerican.

Once again the GOP shows them self to be nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

And speaking of that poor unappreciated VP, several prominent GOP members are saying he should shut up and go away.

Perhaps he could take his old boss on a hunting trip. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 25, 2009 8:43 AM:

" jrussell wrote on Mar 24, 2009 12:23 AM:

" ALSO why didn't we do anything when Russia invaded Georgia or step in between Israel and the palestinians, what baout the situation in Madagascar, why do we ignore some issues and pay attention to others that haven't become problems yet? "

The answer is quite simple, jrussell. Bush is a bully, and bully's only pick on those they think they can beat. And Bush knew no one would come to Saddam's rescue.

Besides that, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of that band of thugs leaned on him and he lacked the backbone to stand up to his own staff.

He's paying for his cowardice now, as the world has turned it's back on that failed little man. "

jrussell wrote on Mar 25, 2009 9:18 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 23, 2009 5:35 PM:

" theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 23, 2009 2:51 PM:
" Ed Miller, that tax of 33% isn't enough, its not like taxing an income of $50,000. These people mostly made there money by stabbing in the back, lack of moral authority for there ultimate goal of money. Obama isn't doing enough in my opinion."

Wow, talk about falling for the liberal class warfare. Whatever happened to EARNING things for yourselves? Just because someone else is wealthy, it doesn't mean I deserve part of what they have worked for. Not all of these people that they have brainwashed to hate were born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Millions of Americans have made a good life for themselves by hard work. The very wealthy are a very small minority in this country. The left is trying to focus hate on them to distract from the irresponsible ways they are wasting our money. "

...don't forget how the right has wasted our money as well Ed "

jrussell wrote on Mar 25, 2009 9:19 AM:

" saintdanger wrote on Mar 24, 2009 5:06 PM:

" Since when was everyone who lived in Gaza a Terrorist? What kind of racist statement is that? I'm sorry, but I've not time to debate with bigots. I didn't read anything in there about Hamas. Maybe it's just that I'm smart enough to know that not everyone in a country is a terrorist just because terrorists can come from there. Otherwise, I'd look at the US and think "They produce terrorists" because of our Unibomber and the Oklahoma City Bombing. Oh, BTW, the moves that were made to remove personal freedoms and hold people without cause or any sort of legal rights (GITMO) is a much closer move to a communist society than anything I've seen so far. Nationalize the banks to save them, or let them fail and see what happens to the economy. Anyone remember what happens when banks fail? October 29th ring a bell to anyone? Open your eyes, open your minds, and for the sake of the Almighty, THINK. "

...top drawer dude "

ed miller wrote on Mar 25, 2009 9:19 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 25, 2009 8:43 AM:
" Besides that, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of that band of thugs leaned on him and he lacked the backbone to stand up to his own staff."

Oh, like Obama has stood up to Pelosi and Reid?

I will go through the budget, line by line to eliminate wasteful spending. No more earmarks or lobbyists. Bipartisanship. Remember that? "

jrussell wrote on Mar 25, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 25, 2009 8:43 AM:

" jrussell wrote on Mar 24, 2009 12:23 AM:

" ALSO why didn't we do anything when Russia invaded Georgia or step in between Israel and the palestinians, what baout the situation in Madagascar, why do we ignore some issues and pay attention to others that haven't become problems yet? "

The answer is quite simple, jrussell. Bush is a bully, and bully's only pick on those they think they can beat. And Bush knew no one would come to Saddam's rescue.

Besides that, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest of that band of thugs leaned on him and he lacked the backbone to stand up to his own staff.

He's paying for his cowardice now, as the world has turned it's back on that failed little man. "

...yup and i think those who fell for it are still a bit sour, i can only hope Obama does something about our imperialistic mindset "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 25, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Oh, like Obama has stood up to Pelosi and Reid?

Apparently you don't keep up, eddie. If you ever watched anything besides Fox you would know that the waters haven't always been so smooth between the White house and the leadership of both the House and the Senate.

Just because the House and the Senate marched lockstep with Bush/Cheney during their regime, doesn't necessarily meant the same thing is occurring within the Democratic party. The Dems have a much bigger tent, why we even embrace minorities and gays.

Try changing that dial once in a while, eddie. Once you get past the propaganda of Fox and Limbaugh, there's a whole world of information available. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 26, 2009 11:52 AM:

" Obama signed anything Pelosi and Reid threw in front of him. Forget the campaign rhetoric. He lied. We are racking up trillions more in debt spending. Dispute that. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 26, 2009 12:36 PM:

" We are racking up trillions more in debt spending. Dispute that. "

I'm not disputing that at all, eddie. FDR did the same thing, and it pulled us out of the last Republican fiasco.

The Dems are used to having to clean up after your Pubies. "

father bob wrote on Mar 26, 2009 2:40 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 26, 2009 11:52 AM:
" Obama signed anything Pelosi and Reid threw in front of him. Forget the campaign rhetoric. He lied. We are racking up trillions more in debt spending. Dispute that. """""

dam shame, but someones gotta pull the plug on free lunch.

bush's legacy does indeed live on. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 29, 2009 2:15 PM:

" Point at large is if giant buisness like AIG weren't easily succumed to corruption then these dollars wouldn't of been an issue.

Another thing is I'm a socialist and I'm confused on bailing out the big buisness. Wouldn't it be more capitalistic to allow AIG fall and allow another corperation to take its place? Which both Obama and Bush did not do. The issue could be resolved by the government taking their(the big buisness) losses disband these companies and auction off their property to another person who can rebuild that industry. That'd be more capitalistic and logical, or in my view just Nationalize these big industries and turn them into worker co-ops allowing these co-ops to compete against each other. "