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Wednesday, March 4, 2009 5:46 PM CST
LETTER: 'Gray areas' exist on many major issues

JULIAN RUSSELL, Charleston

As I’ve noticed in my share of blogging on the Times-Courier/Journal Gazette website and paying attention to the news, there never seems to be a gray area anymore.

Everybody thinks so one-sided in their opinions when really we could stand to learn from each others’ thoughts. We throw around accusations and attack without absorbing and understanding. If we acted this way in public we would probably be considered heathens.

The truth is a gray area does exist if the time is taken to acknowledge it. For instance, I don’t believe in abortion but I feel women deserve to make their own decisions. I believe in God but disagree with the Bible on occasions.

I’m sick of hearing about racial issues but I’m totally not racist. I am against the war but I support our soldiers. I believe in guns for sport but don’t condone their use by ignorant people. Where does all that leave me?

According to some, far to the left and to others, far to the right.

To me, the gray area. An area open to learning by absorbing both sides. Just remember, “True knowledge exists in knowing that we know nothing,” not in pretending that we know everything.

In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely.

We worry a lot right now of our freedoms but they never left.

After 9/11 we felt the need to fight for our freedom but I remember being taught to fight as a last resort and the thing is after 9/11 our freedoms didn’t disappear.

We stood up and waved our flags through the night saying, “Hey, we’re still here!”

We still get up in the morning and make our coffee and take our boiling hot showers.

It isn’t our freedom in need of fighting for it is our obligations to our fellow beings to extend them that same freedom.

So next time you go to attack someone on the blog or anywhere else remember we are all in this together, learning together. We might as well get along.

JULIAN RUSSELL

Charleston

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Tom Andres wrote on Mar 4, 2009 11:56 PM:

" I don't know about the rest of you black and white bloggers, but right now I've got goose bumps all over. LOL.

Julian says: True knowledge exists in knowing that we know nothing, not in pretending that we know everything. (I think there's supposed to be a long "mmmmmmmmmmmm" hummed after that very deep thought, and maybe another drag from the bong followed by an hour or so of meditation).

I'll be as brief as I can here. For starters, your wishy-washy feeling on abortion makes me sick. I wonder how Obama would feel today if his unwed mother had aborted him for the sake of convenience after papa deserted them ... whoops, what am I saying? For some reason, she didn't do that. Maybe she believed in God AND believed in His word as well.

On the stale old argument of "I support the troops, but I hope their mission fails". Well, enough said. But know this, Julian, a gray area is not how I would describe your ridiculous attempt to separate support of the troops from support of their mission. My son-in-law just left for Iraq. Don't even try to meet me in the middle of that discussion.

You say: In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely. You've got to be kidding! Tell that to Daniel Pearl's family. No, better yet, tell that to the man who sawed off his head! "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:04 AM:

" Mr. Andres is exactly the person this letter is talking about. What a ringing endorsement of the TRUTH of the letter. "

jayce wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:46 AM:

" Gray area's? There is a saying out there that says......He who does not stand for something will stand for
anything. That's being wishy washy...
has no backbone. I totaly agree with what Mr Andres wrote. I have one grandson who was in Iraq,and his brother served two rotations in Iraq and I'm very proud of them and anyother person I see in uniform and tell them thank you. If you don't believe
the Bible is true....then..... "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 12:47 PM:

" You know, shump, one thing that can be said about the dimwit who keeps an open mind on major moral issues is that, almost without exception, their so-called "gray matter" is somehow scattered to the winds. Thus, the label "scatter brained" is applied to almost all liberal (open-minded) thought. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:17 PM:

" lol oh Tom, this letter might as well be about you, if you can't meet people in the middle how do you get along with people. What is wrong with supporting our soldiers but not the ridiculous reason they are there? They aren't fighting for our freedom Tom, we have our freedom, so ask your son what he is fighting for over there and see if you get a good solid answer, as for the rest I mean seriously how can you be one sided on abortion and what not, no they shouldn't murder babies but people have rights that we don't deserve to take away, Obama possibly being aborted I mean who cares, he wasn't was he? obviously not, as for Daniel Pearl, what about the fact if he wasn't over there covering a ridiculous skirmish he wouldn't be dead, did the entire country of Iraq or Afghanistan kill him? no, when the Oklahoma city building was blown up did we declare war on AMerican terrorism and post troops in every street? NO, on 9/11 we were attacked...so what...we weren't knocked down...we weren't ruined...someone was angry and had at us and now we need to have at them but not by destroying other people's lives...they aren't all terrorists over there Tom, they have names too "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:22 PM:

" jayce wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:46 AM:

" Gray area's? There is a saying out there that says......He who does not stand for something will stand for
anything. That's being wishy washy...
has no backbone. I totaly agree with what Mr Andres wrote. I have one grandson who was in Iraq,and his brother served two rotations in Iraq and I'm very proud of them and anyother person I see in uniform and tell them thank you. If you don't believe
the Bible is true....then..... "

if we don't believe it is true then what...we aren't as holy as you, we're going to hell? we aren't christian's? you sound like a catholic,I'm glad you thank our troops so would I, I would thank them for sacrificing their precious lives only to possibly be blown to pieces while fighting in a country that has nothing to do with this one, tell me are you always on one side? being caught in the middle doesn't mean we stand for nothing, we do stand against ignorant people who think they know it, who think they've got it, and like to attempt at telling others the way it is, I would rather be conflicted than stand for something I have no idea about or only "think" i have an idea about, you didn't even finish your bible statement...does that mean you or caught in a grey area or does it mean you think you know it all, are you God perhaps? "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 PM:

" injustice85, if only you could see the smile on my face. We should Skype sometime. LOL.

Sounds like maybe I got under your skin a little. LOL, sorry. By the way, it's my son in law who is in Iraq, not my son. In your hissy fit to quickly post a response, you must have just skimmed what I wrote.

As for asking him why he volunteered (which, I know, must be a totally foreign concept to you) for his tour in Iraq, we've already discussed this in depth. It turns out he's there for the same reason I volunteered for duty in Vietnam. It's all about spreading freedom to the world. Like I said, a foreign concept to someone as nave as you are. Except for the fools who (temporarily) take it for granted, freedom is not free.

Hey, I have an idea. Try to align your opinions with mine. You know, meet me where I stand - or are you one of those black and white people our relativist friend Julian castigates? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 5, 2009 3:40 PM:

" Why are the conservatives who post on here all so angry? People like our friend Tom needs to lighten up a little. Life is too short to go around mad all the time. "

father bob wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:34 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Mar 4, 2009 11:56 PM:
"I wonder how Obama would feel today if his unwed mother had aborted him for the sake of convenience after papa deserted them """""

well einstein, i'd venture to say he couldn't feel anything......geeezzzz what a moron. "

father bob wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 5, 2009 3:40 PM:
" Why are the conservatives who post on here all so angry? People like our friend Tom needs to lighten up a little. Life is too short to go around mad all the time. """""

karl rove and rush flemball have turned them all into sociopaths and idiots....er....excuse me, they were already idiots. uneducated morons are the only ones who tune in to the new master of the GOP. "

father bob wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:42 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 PM:
" By the way, it's my son in law who is in Iraq, not my son. """"

too bad for him.....in more ways than one. "

father bob wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:44 PM:

" by the way mr. russell, tom andres doesn't like anything that's not lily-white. gray is something of a color. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:23 PM:

" Tom Andres if we are sdpreading our freedoms around how about we hit up the numerous other countries that aren't "free"? Because there isn't profit there, your son-in-law is helping out someone elses pockets, hope he feels good about being lied to help someone elses petty cause, as for an open mind you should try it Tom, it keeps the world turning, if we all thought like you we would still be in the dark ages lol, oh and if we were so concerned with Vietnams freedom how come we didn't stick around there either Tommy? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:24 PM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 5, 2009 4:44 PM:

" by the way mr. russell, tom andres doesn't like anything that's not lily-white. gray is something of a color. "

must be sad for him in that box he lives in lol "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:43 PM:

" Now I have a much clearer picture of Mr. Andres dilemma, he volunteered for Vietnam, for a lost cause, and can't accept that he was lied to, that we weren't spreading freedom around any more than we are spreading freedom around in Iraq. You don't SPREAD freedom around Mr. Andres. Freedom is FREELY chosen or it isn't FREE. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:45 PM:

" I should have added FREE in the monetary, or cost sense of the term. FREEDOM always costs someone dearly. "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:17 PM:

" Our old cruelly diminished friend, fb, says: "well einstein, i'd venture to say he couldn't feel anything......geeezzzz what a moron."

Are you of the ilk who argues that even lab mice feel the pain inflicted on them in the laboratory when were searching for the cures for diseases such as cancer? LOL, lighten up little bobby. "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:21 PM:

" "oh and if we were so concerned with Vietnams freedom how come we didn't stick around there either Tommy?"

Good God, nj, read a history book sometime (not a revisionist history book, but a real one) and you'll maybe understand.

Until then, I'm sorry our educational system has failed you. Now, go away, kid, you're boring me. "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Hey, susan, shut the .... up! I've had enough of your filthy pinko-commie, dope-smoking, long-haired saddist propaganda for one day. Now, go away. You're getting on my nerves! "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:45 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:45 PM: "FREEDOM always costs someone dearly."

Really, shump?! Honestly, I've never, ever heard anyone quite stupid enough to pen those words. What a whacko! Any specific examples of your postulate?
Please, expound. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:08 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:17 PM:
" They aren't fighting for our freedom Tom, we have our freedom, so ask your son what he is fighting for over there and see if you get a good solid answer"

Typical spoiled little liberal with no clue about anything. "

HerChild wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:21 PM:

" Tom- shump is looking up the words postulate and expound LOL!
Our family thinks you're a great guy Tom! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:43 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Hey, susan, shut the .... up! I've had enough of your filthy pinko-commie, dope-smoking, long-haired saddist propaganda for one day. Now, go away. You're getting on my nerves! "

Real mature, Tom. This is about the classiest comment I've ever seen on this site. What's next, another one of your huff and puff tantrums about not ever posting on here again? "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:51 PM:

" Hey, Harry, while I'm on a role and thinking about my son in law, here's one for you. Stuff it! He's over there fighting for your right to criticize what he's doing, and by God, you have the audacity to get in his face and do just that. You wanna talk about classy comments, Harry? "

ed miller wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:04 PM:

" Potter scolding someone for maturity. How ironic. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:40 PM:

" I wondered when someone would finally compose a letter about the crazy antics, here online, at this particular website.
LOL!

Thank goodness not all forums/comment venues are like this place. "

oldschool wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:52 PM:

" hey Susan, I guess when this undeveloped country was "fighting" for freedom from the Brits...that was wrong?

Freedom is not freely given.
Freedom is earned, freedom is fought for, freedom is cherished,....always! "

1cav wrote on Mar 5, 2009 10:13 PM:

" I would add it appears when the brave men and woman come back home, they will have to fight for freedom again. It appears we will have lost the last of our freedoms here by then. Thanks to the likes of a bunch of socialist, that are on this blog.
May God bless our brave young soldiers in harms way,to protect us. "

what? wrote on Mar 5, 2009 11:45 PM:

" Freedom cost the Vietnamese dearly. But they free from us today. I admire them. Always have. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:18 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 5, 2009 9:04 PM:

" Potter scolding someone for maturity. How ironic. "

you so called adults cough cough you and Tom sure set the example lol, yeah America when we can let Tommy try to shut us up, real American Tom is that what you fought for..the illusion of having the right to tell people to not speak? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:20 AM:

" 1cav wrote on Mar 5, 2009 10:13 PM:

" I would add it appears when the brave men and woman come back home, they will have to fight for freedom again. It appears we will have lost the last of our freedoms here by then. Thanks to the likes of a bunch of socialist, that are on this blog.
May God bless our brave young soldiers in harms way,to protect us. "

Yes dear Lord protect us from the horrors of those with different opinions and lead us from the temptations of being liberal or perhaps free at thought, help us be more like Tom and Ed and all the other men of top drawer opinions, in ignorance we pray, amen "

The Question wrote on Mar 6, 2009 5:12 AM:

" Now Tommy is tossing his insults while hiding behind his son-in-law, halfway around the planet.
This kind of sentimental, militaristic hogwash is part of what keeps many Americans blind to what's going on in this nation. The military-industrial complex steals hundreds of billions from the American taxpayer, yet can't even stop a handful of Saudis armed with box cutters. And all of that gets fogged up by the maudlin slop dribbled by people like Tommy and 1cav. "

opie wrote on Mar 6, 2009 5:48 AM:

" I been watching these posts for a long time. From what I can gather, this Harry Potter guy is nothing but a troll. He stirs things up and just insults people without ever contributing anything meaningful to the issues at hand. For some reason, he seems to be the only person on the planet still hung up about Palin. I don't understand why the mods don't enforce their policies and ban people like him. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 6:21 AM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:51 PM:

" Hey, Harry, while I'm on a role and thinking about my son in law, here's one for you. Stuff it! He's over there fighting for your right to criticize what he's doing, and by God, you have the audacity to get in his face and do just that. You wanna talk about classy comments, Harry? "

Tom, I wish the best for you son in law, but please don't try to claim his presence over there has anything to do with my right to criticise anything. We have freedom of speech in this country and Bush's invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with it.

Apparrantly after some of the comment you made yesterday (ie shut up and stuff it) you don't think we should have that right. "

unknownjoe wrote on Mar 6, 2009 6:51 AM:

" Issues and gray areas are rhetorical diatribe created by the parasitic political system that we find ourselves living under. It is a system based on fear. In the beginning the Federal Government seemed to be a very good idea, rather benign in fact. Over the last 234 years it has grown into a malignant parasitical force that feeds off the people that it was set up to protect. Republicans, Democrats it matters not who is the flavor. All are part of the same system that feeds off of us. Most of the issues and gray areas that are brought up in political debate were or are actually created by them. They are created to keep the electorate divided, thus keeping us prisoners to the issues. Every so often (under the guise of freedom) we pull out our flags and our balloons and play music; we listen to speeches and debates and media hyped fear concerning issues and gray areas and then we either vote to continue with the jailer that is in power at the time, or vote to exchange one jailer for another. All under the guise that they are going to do something for us and make things better. The sad part is that occasionally something good does come from the system, that benefits all people, and this is how it is reinforced that the system really does care about us and does good things for us. All the while that cancer eats at the host, yet keeps the host alive. This brings us to a turning point in our nations' history. We can wave our flags, shout "Hooray for Our Side!" and be consumed too death. or wake up to the fact that the system doesnt have our best interests at heart, only it's interests, which is survival of the system. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 6, 2009 7:04 AM:

" Right on Old School, that is what I implied, but you also have trouble reading, comprehending concepts that aren't spelled out. Freedom can't be FORCED on people, THEY have to choose it and work for it. Perhaps Her Child needs to look up implied and comprehend, but then she would have to find a dictionary, they won't be found in her Bible. "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:01 AM:

" jayce- respectfully, the comment you made in your post " There is a saying out there that says......He who does not stand for something will stand for
anything" needs a little correction. It should read "You've got to stand for something or you'll FALL for anything". It's a line from a popular Aaron Tippin song. Aaron by the way is a huge supporter of our military and has performed many shows for them. He's miles away from some in the entertainment industry who shoot off their mouths and in effect get "into bed" with the likes of Hugo Chavez and other enemies of our country. Gary Sinese of CSI New York is another "star" who performs with his band in support of our military.

When Aaron performed at the Red White and Blue days here in 2005 I sent a copy of Toby's book via one of his band members to him backstage. While the band was tearing down after the show I asked if he had received the book. The band member told he had already started reading it while waiting to go on stage before the show had started.

I had autograped the book and included a short note describing Toby and why he had written the book about his time in Vietnam.

After the show I was able to talk with Aaron and have a picture taken with him. His "people" were trying to keep us moving along, but he told them to "hold it" that he wanted to talk with me a little. I had another copy of the book and we had our picture taken while holding it. He asked if he could have that copy too. He wanted to give it to a friend. I gave him the book.

I have a good friend from Mattoon who's in Afghanistan now. He's lost two friends within a two week period, one from Oakland, one from Mattoon. Still he belives he's doing the right thing by being there. He's "standing for something" alright! US! He may go down in the process. I pray every day he doesn't. If he does he won't be falling in the sense he's failed or having been duped into something he didn't believe in.

Read again the eloquent words of Scott Stream (who was killed in Afghanistan) "if it costs me my life" that were in the JG-TC. His mother shared these words with us from a letter he had written to her. He was willing to "stand for something" US! He did it willingly.

We need to STAND for him and all of our soldiers. God Bless them all. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:07 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Mar 5, 2009 5:43 PM:

" Now I have a much clearer picture of Mr. Andres dilemma, he volunteered for Vietnam, for a lost cause, and can't accept that he was lied to, that we weren't spreading freedom around any more than we are spreading freedom around in Iraq. You don't SPREAD freedom around Mr. Andres. Freedom is FREELY chosen or it isn't FREE. "

I remember Germany and Japan and how they tried to spread their so called freedoms, didn't work out to well "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Fascinating letter Julian.

Especially in light of the fact that under your injustice85 moniker you engaged in some very personal attacks on me, on this very site.

Or have you forgotten these episodes?

As a former Liberal this "thought-process" of yours rings more than a little familiar to me. It's the Liberal mantra: "All right and wrong are relative."

That is of course UNTIL you disagree with the Liberal, then it's "No! YOU'RE narrow-minded and flat-out WRONG!"

Sound familiar Julian?

Your opposition to the War is a firm and contradictory stance. You oppose the War....but you support the troops?
What do you support? The way the troops hold their weapons, but NOT the way they use their weapons?

Your against abortion...but, you're just not against it's practice?

What do these two debates have in common Julian? They are ultimately Black and White, not gray.

You see Julian, both of these issues in their final analysis conclude with DEATH. And that my friend is NOT gray. It is most definitely a Black and White proposition.

In the end, everyone is entitled to their own set of opinions. However, intellectual honesty dictates that everyone is NOT entitled to their own set of facts.

In our quest to find the facts on this page, I will be more than willing to act like an adult and to remain civil in my discourse.

Now then, let us see just how long it takes my opposition to disregard this mature manner of debate, and to resort to immature schoolyard tactics.

Let us all take note, now. Shall we?

And 5....4.....3.....2.......1..... "

father bob wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:57 AM:

" i see our resident neocon bigot misogynist stooped to a new low. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:59 AM:

" I would add it appears when the brave men and woman come back home, they will have to fight for freedom again.

Somebody's been watching Glen Beck again. LOL! "

father bob wrote on Mar 6, 2009 9:22 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 5, 2009 8:08 PM:
" injustice85 wrote on Mar 5, 2009 1:17 PM:
" They aren't fighting for our freedom Tom, we have our freedom, so ask your son what he is fighting for over there and see if you get a good solid answer"

Typical spoiled little liberal with no clue about anything. """"

face it eddie....the truth hurts. and the flagwaivers on this blog are idiots and fools. the troops are loyal good americans being forced to serve in a country who posed no threat or danger to US citizens. they are just pawns of evil criminals who scroowed the public and have ruined this country from top to bottom, while breeding more hate and contempt and enabling terrorism to spread. "

The Question wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:04 AM:

" Attaboy. You right wingers stay in there pitching. When the American people want the nation and the world wrecked AGAIN, Im sure theyll get right back to you. "

Cognitus wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:25 AM:

" TAndres:"Maybe she believed in God AND believed in His word as well."
Tom, would you cite the book, chapter and verse where God talks about abortion in the Bible. There's a lot of violence in the Old Testament, God actually killing people who are surpous to his will -- sort of likc adult-abortion.

"You say: In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely. You've got to be kidding! "
Yip, Tom, I know this is not your style. You prefer to plow up the pea patch and kick everyone else in the ### -- uncompromising. Jezz I wonder how your wife puts up with this attitudeZ??? "

Cognitus wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:32 AM:

" jayce: "If you don't believe
the Bible is true....then..... "

No I don't believe the Bible is true.
But are you ready to show YOU believe by living by its rules. I don't read it much now that I'm grown, so my memory may be bad but there are all sorts of food rules you should be following: no more shrimp and lobster.
And don't I remember somewhere that children who do not obey their parents should be executed -- sort of a post-birth abortion...
And have you made the required burnt offerings of lambs on the altar??
Read the Bible more carefully and I think you'll find lots of "rules" that you don't believe or excuse yourself by remarking "Oh, well, things were DIFFERENT then". Oh.... "

Cognitus wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:38 AM:

" TAndres:"As for asking him why he volunteered (which, I know, must be a totally foreign concept to you) for his tour in Iraq, we've already discussed this in depth. It turns out he's there for the same reason I volunteered for duty in Vietnam. It's all about spreading freedom to the world."

So you think when you look at Vietnam today you were successful in bringing freedom and democracy to that country??

No I think you went to Vietnam so you could kick a little XXX at USam's expense, and turn the country into a replica of ... West Virginia, say. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:38 AM:

" Was Clinton lying?

".....it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

-President Clinton, Larry King Live (July 22 2003)

Source:CNN http://tinyurl.com/5j6gz "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:39 AM:

" face it eddie....the truth hurts. and the flagwaivers on this blog are idiots and fools. the troops are loyal good americans being forced to serve in a country who posed no threat or danger to US citizens"..... So says fatherbob,

The last time I looked fb, our military is made up of volunteers. They weren't "forced" into anything. They knew full well they might be sent into a war zone when they signed on the dotted line. This is especially true of those that joined AFTER 911. We don't have a draft now, or haven't you noticed?

Are you going to put them on your list of flagwavers, idiots and fools since they choose to wave the flag amd serve their country. You might as well put me on that list too, because I DO wave that flag and proudly!

We have things in this country that need changing that's for sure, but to call those of us who "wave our flags" idiots and fools is BS!

Just because we wave those flags does not mean we don't think there's room for improvement ALL THE WAY AROUND. It means we LOVE this country imperfect though she may be. "

Cognitus wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:43 AM:

" Susan:"You don't SPREAD freedom around Mr. Andres. Freedom is FREELY chosen or it isn't FREE. "

I loved the way you put it; it makes it sound sort of like spreading peanut butter on bread -- and I think that's the way Tom viewed it. "You people ARE going to be FREE or we will spread FREEDOM on
bread and force you to swallow it." "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:22 AM:

" Do you Liberals in here support the mission of the 50,000 combat troops that Obama will keep in Iraq well into 2011? "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:23 AM:

" That's quite a compass you have, BlueDog. Ha, it took all of 44 minutes to get us to the schoolyard tactics you were pointing to. Of course, none other than father bob was the (first) perp. LOL. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:24 AM:

" BDD the freedom to choose an abortion or not to choose is NOT a black and white issue, since the very concept of when life starts-i.e. conception, implantation, birth, six months after birth, whether the morning after pill that stops implantation versus a birth control pill that prevents fertilization is moral or immoral is very much a GRAY area. The fact that YOU THINK otherwise is exactly what this letter is all about. "

father bob wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:23 AM:
" That's quite a compass you have, BlueDog. Ha, it took all of 44 minutes to get us to the schoolyard tactics you were pointing to. Of course, none other than father bob was the (first) perp. LOL. """"

this from a disgruntled old man who thinks the rest of us really give a crap. i see you were resorting to all you're old tricks last night tommie. you really need to slow down on the booze a bit, it gives you a false sense of superiority.

and if you don't like what i've said, go whine to the moderator like you usually do. "

father bob wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:50 AM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:39 AM:
" You might as well put me on that list too, because I DO wave that flag and proudly!"""""

okay billie, you're on the list! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:19 PM:

" (Susan - "BDD the freedom to choose an abortion or not to choose is NOT a black and white issue,")

Of course it's black and white Susan. It's called life and death. Since there is uncertainty over the beginning of the process, the only logical thing to do is err on the side of caution, and NOT kill the baby.

See how black and white that can be, Susan?

("The fact that YOU THINK otherwise is exactly what this letter is all about.")

You mean the fact that YOU think otherwise, is exactly what the gray area is really all about, right Susan?

Well yes, that's true. Which is why this letter is ultimately pointless.

Case in point: "a gray area does exist if the time is taken to acknowledge it."

Uhm.....the "gray area" IS the debate.
Acknowledging the "gray area", is in essences, acknowledging the "debate".

Your stance of "gray", Susan, is really a "black and white" stance, isn't it Susan. Because in the end, you NEVER consider the life of the child OVER the desire of the mother.

And that my dear Susan, is YOUR Black and White stance. You gladly embrace the "gray" as long as it results in the death of the baby.

And death, my dear Susan, is the ULTIMATE Black and White issue, now isn't it. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:26 PM:

" Yeah Tom,

it didn't take long did it. Let's see how bad the name-calling and vitriol will get towards me. This should be very telling. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:12 PM:

" Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Thursday he'd seriously consider running for president in 2012.

With the mantle of the Republican Party still unclaimed, Gingrich told reporters in Ashland, Va., before a speech to Randolph-Macon College that he and his family would examine the political environment in early 2011, and "look seriously at whether or not we think it's necessary to do it."

"And if we think it's necessary we'll probably do it. And if it isn't necessary we probably won't do it," he said, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Gingrich is one of several potential candidates talked about as the GOP struggles to grow its numbers following huge defeats in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

Gingrich placed fifth, with 10 percent, in a straw poll of possible 2012 candidates over the weekend at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington.

From Fox news-

As one blogger noted, who's we? Is we the first wife, the one who was in the hospital dying of cancer when Newt served her with divorce papers? Or is it his current wife or the mistress he was playing around with while at the head of the pack trying to impeach Clinton for womanizing.

Having the lecherous Newtster run would be even more fun than seeing the GOP anoint Limbaugh as their Messiah. LOL!

Did anyone else notice how the right wingers shut up about Clinton's bimbos during the Republican primary, especially the supporters of Gingrich and Giuliani? Wonder why that was? hee hee

Besides all this, I thought Limbaugh had already named Bo Jangles as the candidate. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:17 PM:

" Is Sybil punishing Neo for his third grade comments? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:31 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:13 AM:

" Fascinating letter Julian.

Especially in light of the fact that under your injustice85 moniker you engaged in some very personal attacks on me, on this very site.

Or have you forgotten these episodes?

As a former Liberal this "thought-process" of yours rings more than a little familiar to me. It's the Liberal mantra: "All right and wrong are relative."

That is of course UNTIL you disagree with the Liberal, then it's "No! YOU'RE narrow-minded and flat-out WRONG!"

Sound familiar Julian?

Your opposition to the War is a firm and contradictory stance. You oppose the War....but you support the troops?
What do you support? The way the troops hold their weapons, but NOT the way they use their weapons?

Your against abortion...but, you're just not against it's practice?

What do these two debates have in common Julian? They are ultimately Black and White, not gray.

You see Julian, both of these issues in their final analysis conclude with DEATH. And that my friend is NOT gray. It is most definitely a Black and White proposition.

In the end, everyone is entitled to their own set of opinions. However, intellectual honesty dictates that everyone is NOT entitled to their own set of facts.

In our quest to find the facts on this page, I will be more than willing to act like an adult and to remain civil in my discourse.

Now then, let us see just how long it takes my opposition to disregard this mature manner of debate, and to resort to immature schoolyard tactics.

Let us all take note, now. Shall we?

And 5....4.....3.....2.......1..... "

well now BLUEDOG most of my comments to you were in liu of your disrespectful, criticizing manner of posting which has improved I'll admit, I support the troops or a soldier as an individual, decision to pick up a gun and do something that is very difficult but I don't support why they are there, it is a ridiculous cause if not a full blown scandal, I'm against the murdering of babies but if women have rights and I can't take that away although if they used their heads we once again wouldn't have an abortion issue, I do appreciate your adult manner though lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:34 PM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 10:39 AM:

" face it eddie....the truth hurts. and the flagwaivers on this blog are idiots and fools. the troops are loyal good americans being forced to serve in a country who posed no threat or danger to US citizens"..... So says fatherbob,

The last time I looked fb, our military is made up of volunteers. They weren't "forced" into anything. They knew full well they might be sent into a war zone when they signed on the dotted line. This is especially true of those that joined AFTER 911. We don't have a draft now, or haven't you noticed?

Are you going to put them on your list of flagwavers, idiots and fools since they choose to wave the flag amd serve their country. You might as well put me on that list too, because I DO wave that flag and proudly!

We have things in this country that need changing that's for sure, but to call those of us who "wave our flags" idiots and fools is BS!

Just because we wave those flags does not mean we don't think there's room for improvement ALL THE WAY AROUND. It means we LOVE this country imperfect though she may be. "

just because they volunteered doesn't mean they have a clue what they are fighting for, they had little enough sense to join why would they understand why they are there lol "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:34 PM:

" shump, despite being above the pay grade of our president, the question: When does life begin? was asked and answered long ago. Clearly, and without equivocation, life begins at conception. That being settled, the decision to end that life or allow it to grow is what pro life and pro choice are all about. Let's not confuse the issues.

One more time: The issue of when life begins has already been decided. Whether its legal or moral to end that life is the only issue related to the abortion question. Get it? Two completely separate issues!

Think of it this way, if someone were attacking you with potentially lethal or maiming force, you would have the right to defend yourself, with deadly force if necessary. That would be legal, but you may have to justify your action after the dead ones blood is spilled.

If an unborn child is a certifiable lethal or maiming threat to the mother, in that circumstance, the mother has a right to preserve her own being. Can we agree on this? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:35 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:22 AM:

" Do you Liberals in here support the mission of the 50,000 combat troops that Obama will keep in Iraq well into 2011? "

NO! it doesn't make a difference if Stephen COlbert sent them over there, it is still bull "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:36 PM:

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:37 PM:

" Just remember everyone, your idea of God accordingly with the Bible has killed children too, in fact didn't he stick a plague on the firstborn sons? wow and now you want to say how much he wouldn't appreciate abortions "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:01 PM:

" injustice85 writes..."just because they volunteered doesn't mean they have a clue what they are fighting for, they had little enough sense to join why would they understand why they are there lol "

I see you've aligned yourself with the John Kerry mindset that our soldiers must be uneducated, and stupid. Stay smart, stay in school or you might end up in Iraq the senator who has a reputation for denigrating soldiers said. Barf! Gag!

Tell the soldier to his/her faces they had "little enough sense to join" and " why would they understand why they are there lol " You might not be be laughing out loud( lol) afterwards. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:04 PM:

" ...and if you don't like what i've said, go whine to the moderator like you usually do. "

I seem to recall someone pointing out that he ran to the teachers a lot in school and was always the first one to volunteer for hall way monitor, fb. Somehow that doesn't surprise me. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:13 PM:

" For one I am proud to say I am a socialist. This world and our education system has brain washed us into connecting socialism (the economic side of communism) to the Totalitarianism. Communism isn't what the Soviet Republics turned into. We need to support the working class, the 97% of our countries wealth is owned by one percent of the country, the Aristrocracy. Also my friend may respect the troops (talking in reference to injustice) but they are knowing pawns. I respect that they are working folk, but they are part of a system of control. The spread of "Democracy" (We are a democratic republic, the closest democracy was Athens, Greece in antiquity times and that wasn't even a true one because women and slaves couldn't vote) is just like the spread of Communism or Facism(which we are becoming). You can't force "Democracy" down peoples throat it must come from the people themselves as I'm sure Thomas Paine would agree. Freedom isn't handed to us, we are born with it. To protect that freedom is direct action, like blogging, the passing of information through communication. We aren't even close to a socialist economy by the way. In closing, I love this land and its people but I would gladly like to see its government fall. "Question Authority, Question Reality, Question Religion, Question Yourself (from a book called Hardcore Zen)" "

ed miller wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:13 PM:

" " The Question wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:32 AM:
" Now, I know most of the people who watch Fox News are just stupid."

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:12 PM:
"From Fox news-..." "

ed miller wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:15 PM:

shumphreys wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:40 PM:

" Cognitus I too had visions of Mr. Andres spreading freedom like peanut butter around on crackers. Funny how great minds think alike. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Sorry BDD life does NOT start at fertilization, consider all of those fertilized eggs in fertility clinics that go unused (octomom and her six implanted eggs), are we going to call the women who donated those eggs and the fertility clinics that dispose of them as waste murderers? Technology has passed you by, you need to try to keep up. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 3:12 PM:

" (injustice85 - "well now BLUEDOG most of my comments to you were in liu of your disrespectful, criticizing manner of posting which has improved I'll admit,")

Yes nj, in the spirit of your letter I am conducting myself as an adult in here. Have you noticed that those who oppose me, are NOT?

("I support the troops or a soldier as an individual, decision to pick up a gun and do something that is very difficult but I don't support why they are there, it is a ridiculous cause if not a full blown scandal,")

How exactly do you "support" the troops decision to pick up a gun and do something that is very difficult, when you don't support the difficult "something" that they are doing, nj?

("I'm against the murdering of babies but if women have rights and I can't take that away although if they used their heads we once again wouldn't have an abortion issue,")

Okay- You're against murdering babies.

So we both agree it's murder. Check.

But you support women's "right" to murder babies? Uhm....what?

("I do appreciate your adult manner though lol")

Thank you nj. So which one of us, do you think, will resort to juvenile schoolyard behavior first, nj?

You or me? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 3:16 PM:

" do explain Tom, after all you were the first one to wig out on here... "

Ouch!

Good call.... "

Rotty wrote on Mar 6, 2009 3:32 PM:

" So.... how about this weather we're having?
LOL!

Geesh, it's looks like some of you went through the bank drive-up, & didn't get your free sucker handed to you.

Btw, I'm with Billie & her thoughts - stick me on the list, too.

WOW - & I thought I was bad.
LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 3:34 PM:

" Theres one reason above all others that President Obama uses a teleprompter in delivering most of his speeches: hes good at it.

Ronald Reagan was the same way. He was more at ease in reading his speech off the dual screens of a teleprompter than looking up and down at a speech text on his lectern

Not so, George W. Bush. He often got that nervous, deer-in-the-headlights look when giving an address from a teleprompter. He would seem stiff and ill-at-ease. He did not convey a sense of understanding.

He preferred using large index cards, said his one-time White House Press Secretary Ari Fleisher, plus I think he was just more comfortable with the cards.

Its definitely a finely honed skill to deliver a speech from a teleprompter (seen in the top right corner of the above picture from Mr. Obama's speech today in Columbus, Ohio). It takes as much if not more focus or concentration than reading a paper copy.
CBS news-

Hmmmmm..... Wonder if Blowdog will be complaining about Reagan's use of a teleprompter too? Who knows, perhaps Reagan was a libtard too...

Another one of Blowdoggy's "fact based" theories shot down? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 4:31 PM:

" (Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:17 PM: " Is Sybil punishing Neo for his third grade comments? ")

Are you talking to me Harry?

If so, my name is BlueDogDemocrat.

Out of respect for the adult theme of this letter, I am responding to every one in a polite and respectful manner.

Are you willing to do the same towards me Harry? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 4:53 PM:

" (injustice85 - "just because they volunteered doesn't mean they have a clue what they are fighting for, they had little enough sense to join why would they understand why they are there lol")

So your definition of supporting the troops basically consists of insulting their intelligence, eh nj85?

I guess Julian, this is what you meant when you said in your letter: "In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely."

It's awfully thoughtful of you to support those ignorant empty-headed troops, nj. I'm sure your sentiments will warm their hearts when they hear of your heart-felt gratitude.

I guess when it comes to our troops, Julian, you're not really "open to learning by absorbing both sides." huh?

Go ahead Julian, tell this former Liberal how I've misunderstood your words. Give it your best shot. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 4:59 PM:

" (shumphreys - "Sorry BDD life does NOT start at fertilization")

When DOES life start, Susan? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 5:40 PM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:01 PM:

" injustice85 writes..."just because they volunteered doesn't mean they have a clue what they are fighting for, they had little enough sense to join why would they understand why they are there lol "

I see you've aligned yourself with the John Kerry mindset that our soldiers must be uneducated, and stupid. Stay smart, stay in school or you might end up in Iraq the senator who has a reputation for denigrating soldiers said. Barf! Gag!

Tell the soldier to his/her faces they had "little enough sense to join" and " why would they understand why they are there lol " You might not be be laughing out loud( lol) afterwards. "

lol typical ignorant mindset lol, some have no idea what they are getting into, they need money, a job, people do get fooled Billie just like yourself, brainwashed into believing tradition, I bet you go by what your dad taught you and his dad and so on, be yourself, think for yourself Billie and break away from tradition "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 5:47 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 3:12 PM:

" (injustice85 - "well now BLUEDOG most of my comments to you were in liu of your disrespectful, criticizing manner of posting which has improved I'll admit,")

Yes nj, in the spirit of your letter I am conducting myself as an adult in here. Have you noticed that those who oppose me, are NOT?

("I support the troops or a soldier as an individual, decision to pick up a gun and do something that is very difficult but I don't support why they are there, it is a ridiculous cause if not a full blown scandal,")

How exactly do you "support" the troops decision to pick up a gun and do something that is very difficult, when you don't support the difficult "something" that they are doing, nj?

("I'm against the murdering of babies but if women have rights and I can't take that away although if they used their heads we once again wouldn't have an abortion issue,")

Okay- You're against murdering babies.

So we both agree it's murder. Check.

But you support women's "right" to murder babies? Uhm....what?

("I do appreciate your adult manner though lol")

Thank you nj. So which one of us, do you think, will resort to juvenile schoolyard behavior first, nj?

You or me? "

lol well BLUEDOG here is how simple it is, it takes a man to face death like our soldiers, but it takes a bigger man to figure out that it isn't worth fighting for, Does that make any sense at all? I agree the abortion thing is murder, not our place or whatever, I also support womens rights but I also expect women to use common sense and not get into a situation where she needs an abortion, you know this, we've discussed it, I support their freedom of choice but hopefully they have enough common sense to go with that freedom to not choose to murder a baby, the entire point of this letter was that we can learn if we aren't all snoody and what not, I have actually learned things from you BLUEDOG and that is partially why I wrote this letter, doesn't mean we agree all the time, I learned that I was over crediting Barack Obama before he really got his hands dirty, doesn't mean I will under credit him yet but I won't continue to give credit where credit is not yet due, so for your final question hopefully neither of us need to resort to childishness, lets see if Tom and Ed can carry their load lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 6, 2009 5:52 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 4:31 PM:

" (Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 1:17 PM: " Is Sybil punishing Neo for his third grade comments? ")

Are you talking to me Harry?

If so, my name is BlueDogDemocrat.

Out of respect for the adult theme of this letter, I am responding to every one in a polite and respectful manner.

Are you willing to do the same towards me Harry? "

lol you know I'll bet if we all met, face to face, and got to know one another in some sort of civilized event we might just blog a bit nicer to each other, I could be wrong but I'd bet everyone would at least stop and think and put that face to whatever name and just maybe be a bit more tolerable, Tom already ruint the theme though Bluedog, I can't stand it when someone actually orders someone to shut up "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 6:39 PM:

" fb- I'm very proud to be on that list of flagwavers. There are millions of others with their flags to keep me company. I won't be lonely. :-) "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 7:05 PM:

" opie wrote on Mar 6, 2009 5:48 AM:

" I been watching these posts for a long time. From what I can gather, this Harry Potter guy is nothing but a troll. He stirs things up and just insults people without ever contributing anything meaningful to the issues at hand. For some reason, he seems to be the only person on the planet still hung up about Palin. I don't understand why the mods don't enforce their policies and ban people like him. "

Oh great, anohter holier than thou censor wannabe...

If they ban me, they would have to also ban a lots of others on here, opie, including those that you no doubt agree with. How about that?

People like you are hilarious, you can only see what you perceive as bad in those you basically disagree with. Those that have similar ideas to yours get a free pass everytime.

Why don't you be honest and admit it's the content of my posts that you don't like. Tell me, what policy do I violate that those who you agree with don't?

You can't and you know it.

Here's an idea for you, opie: when you see my name on a post, skip right over it and you won't have to be so offended. See how easy that was? You can't do that and you know it. You would rather get angry and vent your frustration by coming up with some stupid name like opie to express your dissatisfaction. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:19 PM:

" nj, is that "break away from tradition" or "rebel against it"?

If it weren't for alot of them, (brainwashing, as you called it), old schoolers, a hell of alot of these "nowadays young whipper-snappers" would be six feet under well before their time.

Questioning things, not believing everything you hear, & forming your own opinion is a good thing, & most of us already do this on a daily basis.
Contrary to somes belief, this is the norm for most, even though our actions may show otherwise, at times.

Having said that, tradition & respect for your elders is a good thing, not a mind numbing brainwashing. "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:53 PM:

" injustice--- Darlin,You have no idea how many times my dad and I butted heads. Oh boy did we! He was the "rebel child" of his family and I was of ours. He and I agreed on very little until the last twenty years of his life, and even then we still had our differences. Both of us were very headstrong. Brainwashed? You haven't a clue as to how I questioned and fought not only him but others as to how I "should behave and think". I'm still doing it. I make up my own mind about what I believe in and it doesn't always jell with others. So? Ok, so be it.

Tradition? What's so bad about it? There are many family traditions I hold dear that do not interfere with my free thought processes. You might try thinking for yourself also and not buy into this crap that the far-left seem to dish out constantly that being a flag waving American is something we should be ashamed of. Just because many of us wear our hearts on our sleeves as we wave those flags does not make us stupid, idiots, or unable to think for ourselves.

Try thinking for yourself injustice and don't swallow everything the far-left spoonfeeds you. If you don't like some of it, spit it out. I sure do on "my side" For example, I CAN NOT stand that irritating, abrasive apoletic Rush Limbaugh OR Ann Coulter. They make me cringe just hearing their voices. They are mean spirited and downright nasty. Howard Dean and his rants had the same effect, at least to me. I think all three of them are embarrassements to their respective parties.

Think for myself? I have. I still do. "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 9:00 PM:

" injustice85 wrote------ "lol you know I'll bet if we all met, face to face, and got to know one another in some sort of civilized event we might just blog a bit nicer to each other, I could be wrong but I'd bet everyone would at least stop and think and put that face to whatever name and just maybe be a bit more tolerable",

I think you might have something here injustice. We might even like each other a little if we met face to face :-) "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:01 PM:

" (injustice - "well BLUEDOG here is how simple it is, it takes a man to face death like our soldiers, but it takes a bigger man to figure out that it isn't worth fighting for, Does that make any sense at all?")

Yes Julian, it makes perfectly familiar sense to this recovered Liberal.

You consider the troops to be brave (not in spite of) but because of their ignorance and naivete.

And you only truly respect those among the ranks who choose desertion after they buy into the fallacy that the war was based on "lies".

Therefore, one can only conclude that your troop "support" is limited to the acronym AWOL.

How am I doing so far, Julian? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:21 PM:

" (injustice - "I agree the abortion thing is murder, not our place or whatever")

I used to think that way too, Julian, until I realized that murder is everyone's business.

I submit to you an 1850's argument in favor of retaining slavery:

-"Theyre not persons"

-"It's a personal choice"

-"It's a religious issue"

Sound familiar?

Everyone who supported slavery was free.

Everyone who supports abortion was born.

That's how oppression works. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:47 PM:

" Injustice - Your line,

("True knowledge exists in knowing that we know nothing," not in pretending that we know everything.)

bares a striking resemblance to Socrates' "Paradox of The Oracle" that I've cited to Susan on several occasions.

Which is ironic because when I was a young raging Liberal and a "devout" Atheist on campus, the common theme that ran throughout myself and all of my ilk was our supreme confidence that WE were truly in possession of knowledge and wisdom that our parents before us were far too simple to comprehend. We were, after all, educated to the point of idiocy.

And then, The University Of Life taught me this simple truth:

"Never let school get in the way of your education." - Mark Twain "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:50 PM:

" (Billie - "I think you might have something here injustice. We might even like each other a little if we met face to face :-)")

Harry would be absolutely smitten by me. "

what? wrote on Mar 7, 2009 12:07 AM:

" I always liked the flag with the coiled snake and it says "Don't Tread On Me". "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 7, 2009 6:02 AM:

" CBS) President Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package won final approval less than a month ago, and the money is already being put to work on construction, infrastructure, government and social services projects around the country. CBS news correspondents Jeff Glor and Ben Tracy take a look at two places where the stimulus package is creating jobs.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Electrician George DiBruno has a family of four to support and a construction job that lasts only eight more weeks.

After that?

"After this one we don't know what's gonna happen," he says.

Which is why the seemingly humdrum meetings he's attending these days are so exciting for him. They're new construction bid meetings - fueled by stimulus money - that are launching government projects nationwide.

It's estimated 1.8 million jobs will be created in middle- and low-income fields by the stimulus bill - jobs in construction, manufacturing, retail and hospitality. One-third of those will be union construction jobs - electricians, carpenters and project supervisors - that typically pay 3 to 6 times minimum wage.

Interesting..... "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 7, 2009 6:35 AM:

" In recent weeks, a growing number of conservatives have hopped on the Rush Limbaugh bandwagon, saying they agree with his repeated statements that he hopes President Obama fails. Michelle Malkin, Tom Delay, Rick Santorum, Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN), Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) have all said they want Obamas policies to fail.

The Weekly Standards Bill Kristol, however, seems to disagree with this sentiment. In an interview with Fox and Friends yesterday, Kristol broke with the Limbaugh line. Discussing Obamas recent actions to fix the economy with progressive blogger David Sirota, Kristol said that Americans should hope that Obamas policies succeed:

Q: Are people still holding on to [their hope] thinking he will be able to change the problems we are now facing?

KRISTOL: Look, Americans wish a new president well. They hope his policies succeed, as they should

Is Kristol, one of the most influential conservative pundits, going toe-to-toe with Rush Limbaugh, also one of the most influential conservative pundits? Thus far, those who dared to challenge the mighty Limbaugh have quickly kneeled before him (see e.g., Michael Steele, Rep. Phil Gingrey, and Gov. Mark Sanford).

Huffington post-

Yes, the question is will Kristol go crawling, hat in hand, to kneel before the GOP Messiah and beg for forgiveness, like all of his fellow Republicans have had to do? I'm betting he will claim it's all a big misunderstanding and he really admires the bloated new leader of the GOP. Whatever action he takes, you can bet it will be made clean that he really wasn't criticising Limbaugh.

So far the score is Limbaugh 5 and his "former" Republican critics 0 "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 7, 2009 7:45 AM:

" BDD it isn't up to me to decide when life begins. I think that, for now, that is a personal choice, and it isn't proper for me to force my opinion into public law but it is proper for me to see that public law upholds individual rights, freedom of choice. "

opie wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:20 AM:

" How do you know what my opinions are, TROLL. 90% of your posts have no content at all, to speak of. You just post to insult and stir people up. When you are confronted, you resort to playground name calling or post some irrelevant nonsense to try and deflect everyone off onto some tangent that masks your ignorance of the topic at hand. People like you make these forums a hostile environment and ruin what could be a valuable tool for the local community to debate the current issues put forth in the newspaper. Grow up. "

The Messenger wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:25 AM:

" Julian, this "gray area" you speak of, and your way of thinking, i like to call it intelligence. They teach it nearby at places called LakeLand, EIU, U of I, etc... The more one learns, then the better than can make "educated decisions"

They teach you to look at both sides, giving each side a chance before making a hasty decision, looking for facts on the matter and not letting "Right Wing" "Left Wing" propaganda persuade your decision. Being open minded and not judgmental is one thing that I like to believe that God, any gods, the Constitution, and the educational system could all agree on. "

The Question wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:53 AM:

" "Gray areas." What puerile nonsense.
Conservatism has become pure fascism, complete with police state torture, and liberalism, by opposing fascism, automatically becomes not only RIGHT, but NECESSARY for all sane citizens. The alternative is simply national and constitutional destruction, and we're on the verge right now.
It's not a theoretical argument any more. We can see the shape of the rough beast slouching toward us on the horizon. "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 7, 2009 10:33 AM:

" You've hit on something, here, nj. Just my own bit of home-spun philosophy: the value of our lives on this sphere depends on the personal relationships we foster, as individuals, even as nations. Maybe I picked up on this truism early in life because I was a middle child who knows? I dont want to go Oprah on ya here.

The reason solitary confinement is such a harsh punishment in prison is because it deprives the prisoner the opportunity to bond, to test in a flowing back-and-forth, how others relate to his/her feelings. Isolation confounds the normal human condition. Lets meet somewhere to hash this over. Ill be the one with the gray hair, gray beard, somewhat gray face, and black and white attitudes about whats right and wrong. "

The Question wrote on Mar 7, 2009 11:06 AM:

" President Obama fired a surprise broadside at the defense industry, saying he intends to clamp down on practices that have resulted in billions of dollars in cost overruns and delays in recent years.
Oh, my. The no-bid, no-performance, Bush-coddled, Cheney's-company, crony-capitalist, trillion-dollar, Republican military-industrial complex crooks won't like that much. Boo hoo for them. Boo hoo. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 11:41 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 4:53 PM:

" (injustice85 - "just because they volunteered doesn't mean they have a clue what they are fighting for, they had little enough sense to join why would they understand why they are there lol")

So your definition of supporting the troops basically consists of insulting their intelligence, eh nj85?

I guess Julian, this is what you meant when you said in your letter: "In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely."

It's awfully thoughtful of you to support those ignorant empty-headed troops, nj. I'm sure your sentiments will warm their hearts when they hear of your heart-felt gratitude.

I guess when it comes to our troops, Julian, you're not really "open to learning by absorbing both sides." huh?

Go ahead Julian, tell this former Liberal how I've misunderstood your words. Give it your best shot. "

they get fooled bluedog that is all I'm saying, tricked out of money, they go in out of desperation, haven't you done anything out of necessity? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Rotty wrote on Mar 6, 2009 8:19 PM:

" nj, is that "break away from tradition" or "rebel against it"?

If it weren't for alot of them, (brainwashing, as you called it), old schoolers, a hell of alot of these "nowadays young whipper-snappers" would be six feet under well before their time.

Questioning things, not believing everything you hear, & forming your own opinion is a good thing, & most of us already do this on a daily basis.
Contrary to somes belief, this is the norm for most, even though our actions may show otherwise, at times.

Having said that, tradition & respect for your elders is a good thing, not a mind numbing brainwashing. "

the respect is there, just because I disagree with tradition doesn't mean I don't respect people, tradition only goes so far, if we stuck with tradition we would never have advanced to anything, if George Washington stuck with tradition we would never have this freedom or whatever, America might belong to England or what not, point is tradition doesn't justify anything, yes break away from tradition, not rebel, that is what Washington did not me lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 11:52 AM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 6, 2009 9:00 PM:

" injustice85 wrote------ "lol you know I'll bet if we all met, face to face, and got to know one another in some sort of civilized event we might just blog a bit nicer to each other, I could be wrong but I'd bet everyone would at least stop and think and put that face to whatever name and just maybe be a bit more tolerable",

I think you might have something here injustice. We might even like each other a little if we met face to face :-) "

it isn't like we have to all make friends and stuff, can you imagine though actually having to be civil with one another, a chance to put faces to names, to understand each side a little more, I think it would be awesome, maybe it is time to hit the staff up with the idea, think they will come too lol? "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 1:05 PM:

" Traditions are good and bad (again grey areas) Good on the basis of unity of a family unit or friendship. Yet, traditions of the Catholic Church have led to xeonphobia which is bad. Traditions can lead to conditioning, conditioning being the automatic action of a tradition. Basically doing it and not fully realizing it. Conditioning can lead to an almost instinctual, genetical enginered thought process. This leads to xeonophobia, fear of change or new things. Religions fighting each other over issues that really lead to fear. The Christians, Muslims, and Jewish people are all the same religion, especially Islam and Judiasim which are only difference by a legitimate son of Abraham. All these religions stories tie together, almost all have a story of a flood. its fear that makes tradition bad. "

jayce wrote on Mar 7, 2009 3:02 PM:

" Thank you Billie Brant for the corretion
on March 6th... I appreciate it and try to remember the right quote next time.

I too am a proud flag waver... and a Bible thumper. I believe every word is true down to the periods.. That God is who He says He is and will do what He says He will do. Period. people when they start saying how he had killed people need to realize that the reason was because of the peoples rebelliousness. In the New Testament we have a much better covenant than in the Old Testament.

If people want to learn about the TRUE
founding of our nation and our beliefs they need to go to www.Wallbuilders.com
They have thousands of documents, alot of them are original and go back to read
the Mayflower Compact.

Again....Thanks Billie. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 4:24 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Mar 7, 2009 10:33 AM:

" You've hit on something, here, nj. Just my own bit of home-spun philosophy: the value of our lives on this sphere depends on the personal relationships we foster, as individuals, even as nations. Maybe I picked up on this truism early in life because I was a middle child who knows? I dont want to go Oprah on ya here.

The reason solitary confinement is such a harsh punishment in prison is because it deprives the prisoner the opportunity to bond, to test in a flowing back-and-forth, how others relate to his/her feelings. Isolation confounds the normal human condition. Lets meet somewhere to hash this over. Ill be the one with the gray hair, gray beard, somewhat gray face, and black and white attitudes about whats right and wrong. "

awesome Tom I wouldn't ask you to be anything or anyone else, I too am a middle child lol, I think we all need to meet, not as a forum but as a simple meeting, Let me ask you something though before I part...say your wife was raped Tom assuming your married, say she became pregnant although I imagine she is beyond the age to do so, say she wanted an abortion Tom, is that a black and white decision? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 4:30 PM:

" jayce wrote on Mar 7, 2009 3:02 PM:

" Thank you Billie Brant for the corretion
on March 6th... I appreciate it and try to remember the right quote next time.

I too am a proud flag waver... and a Bible thumper. I believe every word is true down to the periods.. That God is who He says He is and will do what He says He will do. Period. people when they start saying how he had killed people need to realize that the reason was because of the peoples rebelliousness. In the New Testament we have a much better covenant than in the Old Testament.

If people want to learn about the TRUE
founding of our nation and our beliefs they need to go to www.Wallbuilders.com
They have thousands of documents, alot of them are original and go back to read
the Mayflower Compact.

Again....Thanks Billie. "

sure, perhaps there are some real documents and perhaps some are a little doctored, how can you say for sure, if you slept with your husband during your menstrual cycle,(assuming you're a female) should he be put to death as says the Bible or do you just not focus on the serious parts and stories, I'm just saying be it the word of God or not we can't and shouldn't take it literally especially since it doesn't fit our time period, same problem with the constitution, either way I fully believe in God and feel I have an understanding with him, I feel like he wouldn't be upset of my questioning the Bible after all created in his image would he not ask as many questions? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 7, 2009 5:59 PM:

" BDD would you tell me how to find the archive that has the post I posted about potter. I have been at St Johns getting another stint done. I want to see EXACTLY what the weasel had to say. "

cedric66 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 7:38 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 6, 2009 2:15 PM:

" opie wrote on Mar 6, 2009 5:48 AM:
" I been watching these posts for a long time. From what I can gather, this Harry Potter guy is nothing but a troll. He stirs things up and just insults people without ever contributing anything meaningful to the issues at hand."

LOL, True "

Very good Ed. Our definition of a troll is a guy that hangs out under bridges and grabs little boys and eats them. Back home, we call that person a pedophile "

Tom Andres wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:17 PM:

" nj says: Let me ask you something though before I part...say your wife was raped Tom assuming you're married, say she became pregnant... say she wanted an abortion Tom, is that a black and white decision?"

Gheeze, grasshopper, your question reveals your navet. Is this supposed to stump me? It has been asked and answered a million times before. Since it's nothing new, there is no excuse for a delayed response. Its been my good fortune to have had a fairly long life in which to form an answer, so the What-if-it-happened-to-me scenario is easy.

First, let me say the rapist-father of the unborn child would have no input into the question you pose. The reason he would have no voice in the matter is because I would kill him first and ask questions about his "unintended seed" later. (I'll bet you never even thought of the fathers rights, did you?) See how complex this is, nj? Anyway, the father would be out of the picture, being six feet under and all. So, I would help my bride decide how to handle the situation. Are you with me so far? Gets complicated, doesnt it; but, hey, thats life.

As a young man, this is what you have to look forward to in life making hard choices. Most of those hard choices are much easier to make if you already have a sound footing for what you strongly believe is black and white. Life and death decisions are not for the faint of heart. Youll find that out as you get a little closer to knowing the coordinates of your own true north.

As to the abortion question, as I said before, the question as to whether the unborn is a living being was already decided at conception. My bride and I accepted that fact long, long ago. There is no justification to end the innocent life of that human being. Why would you even suggest that my bride would want an abortion? Actually, thats a pretty crass and insulting assumption youre making. If we play judge jury and executioner, we may have eternal consequences to pay. And that, my friend, is the sour nut of the pro-choice dilemma.

Speaking of relationships, hey, it really is all about that higher-power thing, isnt it? Are you 100% sure you want to go up against those odds? I mean, its like, you know, man, even more serious than a high interest five-year car loan or a nothing-down balloon mortgage thingy.

Call me sometime, Julian. Although I ported my home phone to Verizon, Im still listed in the old Consolidated phone book. Maybe Ill take you under my wing and sway you to a more conservative viewpoint on life. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:41 PM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 6, 2009 12:17 PM:

" "Rohn" ...Yes it was , at Jefferson. Were you there? "
No Old school its been a couple years . I sure did love it. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:41 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:01 PM:
" (injustice - "well BLUEDOG here is how simple it is, it takes a man to face death like our soldiers, but it takes a bigger man to figure out that it isn't worth fighting for, Does that make any sense at all?")

Yes Julian, it makes perfectly familiar sense to this recovered Liberal.

You consider the troops to be brave (not in spite of) but because of their ignorance and naivete.

And you only truly respect those among the ranks who choose desertion after they buy into the fallacy that the war was based on "lies".

Therefore, one can only conclude that your troop "support" is limited to the acronym AWOL.

How am I doing so far, Julian? "

lol pretty bad, if your trying to figure it out you might as well give, we don't think the same and that's cool, I support a man's bravery to pick up a gun and go headfirst into a fight, that is it, it doesn't mean I agree with their decision or the cause "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:42 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:21 PM:
" (injustice - "I agree the abortion thing is murder, not our place or whatever")

I used to think that way too, Julian, until I realized that murder is everyone's business.

I submit to you an 1850's argument in favor of retaining slavery:

-"Theyre not persons"

-"It's a personal choice"

-"It's a religious issue"

Sound familiar?

Everyone who supported slavery was free.

Everyone who supports abortion was born.

That's how oppression works. "

...not our place to murder Bluedog, God's work, that is what I meant "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:44 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 6, 2009 11:47 PM:
" Injustice - Your line,

("True knowledge exists in knowing that we know nothing," not in pretending that we know everything.)

bares a striking resemblance to Socrates' "Paradox of The Oracle" that I've cited to Susan on several occasions.

Which is ironic because when I was a young raging Liberal and a "devout" Atheist on campus, the common theme that ran throughout myself and all of my ilk was our supreme confidence that WE were truly in possession of knowledge and wisdom that our parents before us were far too simple to comprehend. We were, after all, educated to the point of idiocy.

And then, The University Of Life taught me this simple truth:

"Never let school get in the way of your education." - Mark Twain "

I like your quote there but i think you just confused yourself, that quote means learn on your own, it doesn't mean believe what our forefathers and parents crammed in us, some of it may have been good and right but not everything "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:46 PM:

" he Messenger wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:25 AM:
" Julian, this "gray area" you speak of, and your way of thinking, i like to call it intelligence. They teach it nearby at places called LakeLand, EIU, U of I, etc... The more one learns, then the better than can make "educated decisions"

They teach you to look at both sides, giving each side a chance before making a hasty decision, looking for facts on the matter and not letting "Right Wing" "Left Wing" propaganda persuade your decision. Being open minded and not judgmental is one thing that I like to believe that God, any gods, the Constitution, and the educational system could all agree on. "

couldn't agree more "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:47 PM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:53 AM:
" "Gray areas." What puerile nonsense.
Conservatism has become pure fascism, complete with police state torture, and liberalism, by opposing fascism, automatically becomes not only RIGHT, but NECESSARY for all sane citizens. The alternative is simply national and constitutional destruction, and we're on the verge right now.
It's not a theoretical argument any more. We can see the shape of the rough beast slouching toward us on the horizon. "

what's in your coffee lol "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:58 PM:

" You're welcome jayce. "

what? wrote on Mar 8, 2009 12:17 AM:

" The religions spawned from Abraham represent terrorism in it's purest form. "

shumphreys wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:46 AM:

" Injustice, BDD hasn't been aware of what is happening in the world around him for years. You are right there are many in the National Guard who joined out of economic necessity. It was a part time job, that enabled them to live in rural areas like ours with minimal job opportunities.The National Guard was never meant to be our primary military force, which is just about what it has become. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 9:13 AM:

" cedric66 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 7:38 PM:

Very good Ed. Our definition of a troll is a guy that hangs out under bridges and grabs little boys and eats them. Back home, we call that person a pedophile "

And if you're a Republican you put him in as head of your party. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 9:22 AM:

" opie wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:20 AM:

" How do you know what my opinions are, TROLL. 90% of your posts have no content at all, to speak of. You just post to insult and stir people up. When you are confronted, you resort to playground name calling or post some irrelevant nonsense to try and deflect everyone off onto some tangent that masks your ignorance of the topic at hand. People like you make these forums a hostile environment and ruin what could be a valuable tool for the local community to debate the current issues put forth in the newspaper. Grow up. "

Have you considered a anger management class, Dopey? "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 8, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Hey Cedric, HP may love to stir things up, but he's not alone in that undertaking. He gives as good as he gets and so do others here. BUT to even suggest in the broadest terms he's a pedophile is WAY OVER THE TOP!

NO WAY! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:06 AM:

" opie wrote on Mar 7, 2009 9:20 AM:

" How do you know what my opinions are, TROLL. 90% of your posts have no content at all, to speak of. You just post to insult and stir people up. When you are confronted, you resort to playground name calling or post some irrelevant nonsense to try and deflect everyone off onto some tangent that masks your ignorance of the topic at hand. People like you make these forums a hostile environment and ruin what could be a valuable tool for the local community to debate the current issues put forth in the newspaper. Grow up. "

Translation: because I can't really dispute any thing Harry says, I'll just whine about his posts and call him names. LOL! "

Rotty wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:30 AM:

" Rohn, here is the thread I believe you're looking for....

http://tinyurl.com/a9wxgf

You might want to consider going under your "Bookmarks/Favorites", & create a 'New Folder' naming it something to the effect of "JG-TC Most Commented".
You can 'Add' comment threads that you want to keep track of, for when the JG-TC goes to move articles to the 'Archives'.
I, myself, delete articles 'from there' after comments have stopped after a couple of days, then I'll 'Add' new ones to keep track of.
This sure beats having to remember article names, & using the Archive 'search' feature.

Good Luck! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 8, 2009 11:02 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 6, 2009 7:49 AM:

" Now HARRY I went back and read EVERY ONE of your posts. You did NOT explain NOTHING TO ME. So let me explain this to you and while YOU concentrate on your reading comprehension skills. Maybe you can answer this for EVERYONE on here. Either you are a bare faced LIER or posted it under a different name. I am leaning to the LIER. And undoubtedly a COWARD. "
Normally, I skip past the comments from you but this one caught me eye, and you went to a lot of work, so I'll give you the courtesy of responding.

Apparently my response didn't get posted.

So I'll try to dummy it down and give you the reason one more time.
You can't debate a liar (note spelling) or a fool. Several of the regulars on here have taken the position that it's more fun to poke fun at the village idiot than to try to argue with someone who goes into automatic spin cycle on all comments, and has no idea of how to debate in the first place.
Now of course he thinks it's brilliance on his part, but many of us see through his smoke and mirrors. Apparently you don't, but that's OK because he thrives on adulation from the uninformed.
By the way if it makes you feel like a better person by calling me a liar and a coward, by all means go for it. I'm glad to play a small part in your self esteem. "
***************************************
Real nice answer harry it was easier to type this all out instead of just saying you was sorry and WRONG that you had NOT posted a answer to me. So instead you turn to What BDD says are you're school yard tactics. And be you're admission of skipping my posts only further proves you're cowardice. And I also think that this proves in fact fb is you. Because he no longer replies to my posts. So do you're self a favor, go take your Geritol and continue to skip my posts. And think you for dummying it down enough for me. But even after all of the dummying you still proved you was a LIER"note spelling" because you in FACT had NOT posted a answer to my statements. And you are also right there is some that like to do the cowardly thing, by hiding and poking and having fun at people that are way more informed and knowledgeable than yourself. But thats fine to each his own.
harry to show I am no coward if you ever run into me somewhere just come to me and tell me its you. Then inform me how stupid I am. If you give me your REAL name I will be more than happy to approach you and tell you how STUPID you are. And why not make our meeting more enjoyable bring the raciest fb with you.
BDD I try to never pass judgments but I know agree with you harry is a coward so why don't you find someone else to try and debate with just leave him alone. I just want to see a GOOD debate. I LOVE to read these. You have already PROVED harry is NO match. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 8, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Mar 7, 2009 8:17 PM:

" nj says: Let me ask you something though before I part...say your wife was raped Tom assuming you're married, say she became pregnant... say she wanted an abortion Tom, is that a black and white decision?"

Gheeze, grasshopper, your question reveals your navet. Is this supposed to stump me? It has been asked and answered a million times before. Since it's nothing new, there is no excuse for a delayed response. Its been my good fortune to have had a fairly long life in which to form an answer, so the What-if-it-happened-to-me scenario is easy.

I get where your going and I do understand, it just seems like it would become a grey issue to make such a decision because the normal black and white of it is either for or against abortion, no insults intended though and I do apologize for the subject matter, also no stump intended, I simply wanted to see what you thought of that situation, The grey area isn't a bad thing though, I do believe in plenty, I simply choose to leave myself open which doesn't make me apt to fall for anything unless I weigh my decisions out without thought, it just means I like to look at all perspectives, I dunno lol I like my grey area, I suppose I would look at a few issues as black and white such as like you said that if a guy raped your wife he would be dead, agreed "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 8, 2009 11:15 AM:

" what? wrote on Mar 8, 2009 12:17 AM:

" The religions spawned from Abraham represent terrorism in it's purest form. "

not anymore than christianity, how can you label a religion as terrorists, that is ignorant thinking, perhaps a few of that religion are, same as christians, I'm sure a few christians are terrorists as well, what a horrible statement, a perception of everything wrong with this country, congrats "

The Question wrote on Mar 8, 2009 12:11 PM:

" Republican courage, now there's a real "gray area."
Newt Gingrich has dared to contradict the porcine pontiff of the 'Pubs, Rush Phlegmball, saying on "Meet the Press" that it's "irrational" to hope for the president of the United States to fail.
The GOP's slavishly conformist, goose-stepping protocol now requires that Gingrich crawl to Rush and kiss an extremely wide area. "

The Question wrote on Mar 8, 2009 12:16 PM:

" An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll this past week put Republican popularity at historic lows. Just 26 percent in the survey viewed the party positively, compared with 68 percent for President Obama, despite the economic crisis and sharp GOP criticism of his $3.8 trillion budget plan.
Oh, how sad. I'll grieve over that on long winter evenings. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Newt Gingrich became the highest profile Republican yet to push back against Rush Limbaugh, saying on "Meet the Press" that it's "irrational" to hope for the President of the United States to fail.

"You've got to want the president to succeed," said the former House Speaker. "You're irrational if you don't want the president to succeed.....

Huffington post-

For once I agree with the Newtster. Now let's see if he backpedals and comes crawling to kiss the ring of the new Republican Messiah, Rush Limbaugh. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 2:36 PM:

" *Warning* *Warning* *Warning*

Contents below contain derogatory remarks about the Moose Queen from Wasilla.

Several YouTube videos are now out spoofing Bobby Jindal. Some of them are hilarious. With Jindal they're making stuff up, unlike the Palin bits where SNL actually took Palins exact words at times to show what an moron she really is. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 2:58 PM:

" (injustice85 - "lol pretty bad, if your trying to figure it out you might as well give, we don't think the same and that's cool, I support a man's bravery to pick up a gun and go headfirst into a fight, that is it, it doesn't mean I agree with their decision or the cause")

It's not a matter for me to "figure out" nj; I understand completely. We don't think the same now, but I assure you, we did when I was younger. You see the troops as a pack of uneducated, ignorant, and naive members of this country's poor underclass who have few options other than to serve as voluntary cattle in a never ending slaughter line of cannon fodder for the U.S. Military, don't you Julian.

My point was this, nj: You obviously believe the mission is misguided or out-right corrupt, so what exactly are you "supporting" if you are supporting CORRUPT MISGUIDED bravery?

And how exactly are you supporting this? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 3:02 PM:

" (injustice85 - "..not our place to murder Bluedog, God's work, that is what I meant ")

If it's not our place to murder nj, then it stands to reason that it most certainly IS NOT our place to support someone's decision TO murder, no?

If you truly believe that it is murder nj, then how on earth can you morally support someone's "right" to choose murder?

In the 1850's your logic would have dictated that you support the "right" of the slave-owners to choose to treat human beings as non-persons as property void of any rights.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" -Tolstoy "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 3:04 PM:

" (injustice85 - "I like your quote there but i think you just confused yourself, that quote means learn on your own, it doesn't mean believe what our forefathers and parents crammed in us, some of it may have been good and right but not everything ")

No confusion on my part, nj.

It warns not to believe everything that is crammed into us at school.

We all learn "on our own", Julian. After all, who can "learn" for us?

There is little wisdom that you can attain, that hasn't already been attained, and you can learn much from those who have already "learned on their own".

The best teachers don't always appear behind a podium, and the best lessons rarely occur in a classroom. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 3:09 PM:

" (Rohn - "BDD would you tell me how to find the archive that has the post I posted about potter. I have been at St Johns getting another stint done. I want to see EXACTLY what the weasel had to say.")

You're going to have to be more specific, Rohn.

What post are you referring to? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 3:15 PM:

" I will never understand why some threads disappear as quickly as they do around here, while others (that have received no comments for a week or more) linger on indefinitely.

Indeed, the Moderator works in mysterious ways......... "

Rotty wrote on Mar 8, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 8, 2009 9:26 AM:

"Hey Cedric, HP may love to stir things up, but he's not alone in that undertaking. He gives as good as he gets and so do others here. BUT to even suggest in the broadest terms he's a pedophile is WAY OVER THE TOP!

NO WAY!"

.......

What Billie said!

And PLENTY of others around here DO like to "stir things up", myself included.

Like HP has said many times before....
If you don't care for or like our posts....
SKIP THEM!

(cue: "Happy Happy Joy Joy" music)
LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 5:31 PM:

" LETTER FROM THE BOSS..

As the CEO of this organization, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barrack Obama is our President and that our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way. To compensate for these increases, our prices will have to increase by about 10%.

But since we cannot increase our prices right now due to the dismal state of the economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been bothering me, since I believe we are a family here and I didnt know how to choose who would have to go.

So, this is what I did:

I walked through our parking lot and found six Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars. I have decided that these folks will be the ones that I should let go.

I cant think of a more fair way to approach this problem. They voted for change; I gave it to them.

I will see the rest of you at the annual company picnic.

-THE BOSS "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:07 PM:

" Rohn, regardless of what you think I did respond to your questions. If you post on here very long you will come to realize that for some reason some things just don't show up. Besides that, I and a few others have stated our reasons for not "debating" the BBD character more than once. It may not have occurred to you but I might think your demanding an answer might be a bit presumption on your part. Just who are you to demand anything? Your pathetic and ignorant attempt to play playground monitor was rather inane too. Perhaps you felt slighted over my ignoring you.

You lament that others ignore your posts too. Well I hate to say it, but I'm not surprised. I would imagine that a lot of people skip right over your lame, and all too often uninformed comments. You really don't seem to grasp much, and that last post confirms that.

As far as running into you, not much of a chance of that. I really can't imagine myself going anywhere that some like yourself would be. I don't associate with lowlifes. Sorry to be so blunt, but I thought you needed to hear the truth. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:30 PM:

" Thanks Rotty & Billie. Yup, I plead guilty to stirring the pot a bit every once in a while. And of course I'm the only one who ever does that. LOL! When people resort to those sort of remarks I know it's only because they have no answers to come back with. Both of those characters seem to have a little difficulty keeping up to speed on most topics anyway. I just laugh when I read those sort of things.

I've said this over and over: why do people read the posts of those that offend them? That seems to border on pathological behavior to me.

Funny how some of those who have called me out for my supposed "bad" behavior on here invariably wind up calling me names like Troll, liar, coward and so on. There's some irony in that. "

Locke wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:31 PM:

" What a bunch of rural, uneducated, rednecks. All of you are pretty pathetic in my book -- on the right or on the left. "

The Question wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:43 PM:

" What a bunch of rural, uneducated rednecks. All of you are pretty pathetic in my book -- on the right or on the left.
---
I'm afraid the charm school lessons haven't paid off for you, Locke old boy. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:50 PM:

" Nobody knows exactly how many Iraqi women and children have been sold into sexual slavery since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime in 2003, and there are no official numbers because of the shadowy nature of the business. Baghdad-based activists like Hinda and others put the number in the tens of thousands. Still, it remains a hidden crime; one that the 2008 US State Department's Trafficking in Persons Report says the Iraqi government is not combating. Baghdad, the report says, "offers no protection services to victims of trafficking, reported no efforts to prevent trafficking in persons and does not acknowledge trafficking to be a problem in the country."

CNN-

Is this what over 4000 young Americans gave their lives for? Sad. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:55 PM:

" Well...

Julian,

To quote your letter:

"If we acted this way in public we would probably be considered heathens."

"In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely."

"So next time you go to attack someone on the blog or anywhere else remember we are all in this together, learning together. We might as well get along."

++++++++

So you see Julian, "stirring the pot" is perfectly acceptable in here.

Apparently insulting posts are only insulting.......IF you read them.

So it's all your fault Julian, for reading them.......

Obviously YOU'RE the one with the problem. NOT these "well-balanced" individuals. /sarc/

*sigh* "

gringa wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:56 PM:

" You know, I was just talking with a friend today about how intelligent and sophisticated Locke is, and how I wish I could be just like him. Of course, I realize that's just a dream I'll never be able to reach, but who can blame me for being a Locki wannabe?

*****

There now, Mr Locke, do you feel better about us now? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 7:19 PM:

" Normally people like myself only pi$$ off people on the right and some of the regulars on here like BBD only pi$$ off those on the left. But our friend seems to be going after both sides. Having a bad day, Locke? LOL! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 8, 2009 7:42 PM:

" YES that was it Rotty Thank You. "

The Question wrote on Mar 8, 2009 7:49 PM:

" The Republicans controlled the presidency for 20 of the last 28 years and both houses of Congress for 10 of the last dozen years, and would now please ask America to forget all that, along with the GOP legacy of deregulated financial fraud, international chaos, torture, domestic spying, fundamentalist lunacy, legalized kidnapping, no-bid no-performance crony capitalist contracts and their siphoning off of the nation's wealth from the working class and the middle class to their insatiable rich masters.
But if you can't quite manage total self-destructive amnesia, the Republicans would just LOVE IT if you would consider all that history a "gray area" in which the consequences of their actions cannot be discerned. "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 8, 2009 7:50 PM:

" Locke wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:31 PM:

" What a bunch of rural, uneducated, rednecks.

TQ writes: "I'm afraid the charm school lessons haven't paid off for you, Locke old boy. "

Hey TQ-- Maybe he forgot to turn the clocks ahead and he's sleep deprived today. LOL!

I'll admit to having an extremely pink neck at times. In fact it's almost fucshia in color! LOL!

That description of a "hot pink" color will be apparent to the ladies on here. Most men scratch their heads at "our" color coding. To most of them green is green , not emerald, yellow is yellow , not buttercup and so on.

Anyway, some of the neatest people I know have red necks or fuschia ones. LOL! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:00 PM:

" I did not demand anything harry. I asked. You then LIED and said you had answered. I only wanted to see a good debate between you and BDD. Again you show how coward you are by spouting all the lowlife crap out behind a made up name. And if having a addicted brother makes me a lowlife then yes I am one. As for everyone skipping my posts that also could be. But I sure get a lot of answers from people. But I will respect you're opinion. So lets just meet and go have some coffee sometime. We can go to you're high life places. Oh please lets do that. Only thing is I do NOT drink like you do. But I am also not afraid to go to a bar. So about anywhere you decide would be fine with me.
JD does having a brother as addict make me a lowlife?? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:02 PM:

" (Harry - "I and a few others have stated our reasons for not "debating" the BBD character more than once. It may not have occurred to you but I might think your demanding an answer might be a bit presumption on your part.")

That's strange Harry, I don't seem to recall your reasons for not debating me.

I do however recall the last time you ever debated me directly.

It was back in January. I challenged your statement that Obama's inauguration was funded by private donors.

Do you recall how that debate ended Harry?

Let me refresh your memory.

I cited evidence that Obama was relying heavily on wealthy "Bundlers".

You then claimed that I was using Right-Wing web sources to support my position. You know Harry. Your standard tagline: "Oh yeah right FoxNews"

You know, the line you always use when confronted with troubling facts.

I countered by citing my sources which were mainstream news organizations.

I then quickly exposed YOUR SOURCE that was actually a Far-Left website called MOMOcrats.com.

Then I taunted you.

You were embarrassed.

You then vowed to never debate me again because...............?

That's the part that I can't seem to recall Harry.

What was your reason again? "

ed miller wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:18 PM:

" from wiki

TROLL:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

i.e. Do not feed the trolls and its abbreviation DNFTT

I think opie hit the nail on the head. Maybe we found a new name for HP. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:34 PM:

" Maybe I was premature, the TROLL nickname might be more fitting to Locke.

Many people use internet chat and forums to pretend they are someone completely different and fulfill their delusions of grandeur. This guy obviously has some severe inferiority issues.

I think, since our friend Locke seems to harp on how uneducated everyone else is, chances are he's probably only packing a HS diploma or maybe even an unfinished stint at community college at best.

Furthermore, I see him overweight, in his 30's or 40's, unmarried, and residing in his Mom's basement. Most of Mr Locke's computer time is probably spent online playing in World of Warcraft, but on occasion he drops in here as our favorite cyber-bully when the teen chat rooms are slow. Does that about get it? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:36 PM:

" No no Ed.

Harry couldn't possibly be a Troll.

You see Ed, Harry's simply...."stirring the pot". Or so we're told.

Yeah, that's right, Ed.

That's entirely different than........?

Wait.

Uhm........... "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:41 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 2:58 PM:

" (injustice85 - "lol pretty bad, if your trying to figure it out you might as well give, we don't think the same and that's cool, I support a man's bravery to pick up a gun and go headfirst into a fight, that is it, it doesn't mean I agree with their decision or the cause")

It's not a matter for me to "figure out" nj; I understand completely. We don't think the same now, but I assure you, we did when I was younger. You see the troops as a pack of uneducated, ignorant, and naive members of this country's poor underclass who have few options other than to serve as voluntary cattle in a never ending slaughter line of cannon fodder for the U.S. Military, don't you Julian.

My point was this, nj: You obviously believe the mission is misguided or out-right corrupt, so what exactly are you "supporting" if you are supporting CORRUPT MISGUIDED bravery?

And how exactly are you supporting this? "

your putting words in my mouth BLUEDOG, I do believe it is corrupt misguided whatever and as I said before, the only thing I support is their bravery, that is about it, I feel some are misguided, I guess maybe you'd like me to say I hate the troops or something, it isn't that, I support them as people for one and as brave people, is that clear enough for you lol, so why might I ask did you change your mind as you got older? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:45 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 3:02 PM:

" (injustice85 - "..not our place to murder Bluedog, God's work, that is what I meant ")

If it's not our place to murder nj, then it stands to reason that it most certainly IS NOT our place to support someone's decision TO murder, no?

If you truly believe that it is murder nj, then how on earth can you morally support someone's "right" to choose murder?

In the 1850's your logic would have dictated that you support the "right" of the slave-owners to choose to treat human beings as non-persons as property void of any rights.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" -Tolstoy "

again BLUEDOG words in my mouth, I support women's rights, I never said I supported their right to murder, not once did I say that and if I implied that then forgive me, I support their rights to choose their path as does everyone but abortion is not a choice I support, it is hard to agree with taking any rights from anyone but if you want it in black and white I suppose I'm pro-life because be it the death penalty or abortion I don't believe in it, I don't support women choosing abortion but I support them havings rights and once again if they used their heads and stepped up as their own last line of defense we wouldn't have an issue "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:51 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 6:55 PM:

" Well...

Julian,

To quote your letter:

"If we acted this way in public we would probably be considered heathens."

"In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely."

"So next time you go to attack someone on the blog or anywhere else remember we are all in this together, learning together. We might as well get along."

++++++++

So you see Julian, "stirring the pot" is perfectly acceptable in here.

Apparently insulting posts are only insulting.......IF you read them.

So it's all your fault Julian, for reading them.......

Obviously YOU'RE the one with the problem. NOT these "well-balanced" individuals. /sarc/

stirring the pot lol, stating one's opinion is acceptable, challenging another is acceptable, telling people to shut up and using terms like maggot and twerp and all of this other crap is childish nonsense, make your points and either learn from each other or totally know when to give, you for instance keep trying to get to the bottom of my opinions but in the end I've repeated everything to time and time again, I won't change but I will acknowledge your opinions, in fact why don't you list me your exact black and white opinions on abortion, religiong, the war, and all that jazz, I hear you clarifying but never fully expressing yourself, as for that learn outside the classroom thing I see that you understand it but I don't get why you don't think that way, as far as I can tell you follow tradition "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 8:56 PM:

" Locke is a "convenient" distraction when things get a little too uncomfortable for Harry and the Left.

There's nothing quite as effective for distracting the spotlight away from Harry like a brazen pompous intellectual wannabe confidently announcing that we're all idiots.

It works pretty well too, doesn't it?

It sure does, doesn't it Question. "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:00 PM:

" BDD- If anyone had made the veiled or otherwise suggestion that you were a "pedophile troll type" crap, I would have defended you too. To hang that moniker on anyone without proof of it even if it is toward anonymous posters is just plain nasty. Troll would have sufficed if that's how the person felt about it.The pedophile remark didn't need to be there.

As far as my "stirring the pot" remark concerning HP, I've thrown that at him for a long time, usually when he says something I find humorous. I've told him he "stirs it with his wand" several times, an obvious refernce to the Harry Potter fictional character.

Harry and I don't find ourselves on the same side of many subjects. He's called me out and I him several times.

I find myself agreeing with some of your ideas but not all. You two guys have acerbic styles at times, and I feel sometimes the substance of both of your posts can get lost in all of the "extra stuff" that's in them. This is coming from a "fuschia-neck" so it might not be worth anything. :-) Both of you crack me up sometimes. It's obvious you both have cutting edge senses of humor.

All in all I really enjoy reading all the posts even if I don't happen to agree with all of them. We have some very creative writers on here and they serve to keep us on our toes. It would be awfully boring if we all agreed on everything.

Have a good night everyone. Later. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:13 PM:

" ("your putting words in my mouth BLUEDOG, I do believe it is corrupt misguided whatever and as I said before, the only thing I support is their bravery, that is about it, I feel some are misguided, I guess maybe you'd like me to say I hate the troops or something, it isn't that, I support them as people for one and as brave people, is that clear enough for you lol, so why might I ask did you change your mind as you got older? ")

No nj, it's not clear. If you believe their mission is corrupt and misguided, then obviously on some level you must believe that they are corrupt and misguided as well. The majority of the troops I have met and read about DO believe their mission is noble and worthwhile in Iraq. To say you support them as people, is vague to the point of meaninglessness. To say you support their bravery in spite of it's misguided and corrupt intent, would be tantamount to supporting bravery for bravery's sake, regardless of motive. To be intellectually honest and consistent, you would likewise have to support the "bravery" of the Islamists who flew the planes into certain death on 9/11.

I know I'm belaboring the point, and I know you're not changing your mind. I just feel that my position needed further clarification because I didn't think you understood me. I suppose we will have to respectfully disagree on this, as a matter of perspective. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:14 PM:

" (injustice85 - "again BLUEDOG words in my mouth, I support women's rights, I never said I supported their right to murder, not once did I say that and if I implied that then forgive me, I support their rights to choose their path as does everyone but abortion is not a choice I support, it is hard to agree with taking any rights from anyone but if you want it in black and white I suppose I'm pro-life because be it the death penalty or abortion I don't believe in it, I don't support women choosing abortion but I support them havings rights and once again if they used their heads and stepped up as their own last line of defense we wouldn't have an issue ")

Now on this Julian, I clearly owe you an apology. I misunderstood your position. I'm also against the death penalty, begrudgingly I might add. But to be intellectually honest and consistent, I really have no choice in the matter. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:17 PM:

" (injustice85 - "you for instance keep trying to get to the bottom of my opinions but in the end I've repeated everything to time and time again, I won't change but I will acknowledge your opinions, in fact why don't you list me your exact black and white opinions on abortion, religiong, the war, and all that jazz, I hear you clarifying but never fully expressing yourself, as for that learn outside the classroom thing I see that you understand it but I don't get why you don't think that way, as far as I can tell you follow tradition ")

Yes I do tend to "chase" an argument to it's conclusion. You'll have to forgive me. It's a bit of an occupational habit with me. And if you've read my posts you'll see that most of my positions are clearly self evident. The only exception would be religion.

As a recovering Atheist I am still on my journey. As time passes I have more of an idea of where I'm going, and I have less and less doubt of where I've been. In matters of faith more than anything else, hindsight is truly foresight.

And why do I think the way I do? In a word: experience. What you call "tradition" I call "experience".

Knowledge comes from the classroom. Wisdom comes from experience. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:23 PM:

" You're welcome, Rohn.

.......

Wow, this letter sure has sent the online crowd into a different direction - quite something different from the guns, abortion, religious, & political letters & what-not.

So, who's got the next "Letter" to continue this rollercoaster ride?
LOL!

Does the shadow know? "

Benji wrote on Mar 9, 2009 12:07 AM:

" I have recently been reading the comments regarding "Gray Areas." I have an iq of 30 so my mother is typing this letter for me.

When I was born the doctors told my parents that I would not be like normal children. I have a severe and profound mental disability. When I was less than a year old doctors performed open heart surgery on me so that I could live.

My parents could have chosen God's natural way and allowed me to die, but they defied God's will and asked a human to repair my heart. I did live. My mother pureed food for me until I was six. She changed my soiled diapers until I was twelve. I have never spoken a word to my parents. I know they love me and I love them.

I am an adult now and living in a group home. Taxpaying citizens make my survival possible. I have never been telephoned by a friend nor invited out by anyone unless it was family or an instiutionally sponsored event. There are thousands just like me. Some of us have never had a visitor. Somehow, I find this strange living in a nation that calls itself Christian.

My parents took me to church for years. Many preachers prayed for my healing, but no matter how much they shouted or spoke in tongues, God did not heal me. They even quoted every scripture about the elders of the church laying on of hands "and the sick shall recover, but it did not work."

I never took part in the communion because I am not a sinner. "Who shall accuse me of anything?" What will God say to me on judgement day when I stand before him? Or, will I be the one sitting on the throne looking at you? If god gives me this responsibility since I am a spotless lamb. How will I judge you? Should I judge you according to the mercy that you measured out to others? Some of you show no mercy to your fellow mankind. You demonstrate raca or murderous tones in your speech. Shall I judge you as a murderer? God forbid if I should have to allow even one of you to perish. I do not want this job. I want all of humanity to be able to get along with each other in peace.

The preacher says "all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God." But I guess I am just that uncomfortable exception to the rule. What sin have I committed?

If I am not a sinner, then am I like Jesus? Born without sin. If this is true, I would have the power to speak wisdom, heal the sick, and pardon sin.

I challenge all those who claim to be followers of Christ to ponder the message I am sending to you today. Be careful in how you judge, for the same measure you meet shall be measured back to you.

I challenge anyone reading this message who is without sin to cast the first stone. I stand with the sheep. They are listening to the voice of the good shepherd.

Christ's message taught that there is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. "The letter kills, but the spirit brings life."

It is possible for two people to perform the exact same action and one will be sinful and the other not. Man judges from outward appearances, but God looks at the heart.

Those of you who comment on this opinion page, I admonish you to search your hearts to find out what is motivating you to write what you do. I detect pride in so many of the comments. There seems to be such a need to prove you are right.

Why don't you try the exercise of forcing yourself to argue your opponents points? For example, if you are pro life or anti guns, argue the other side of the argument. Do research on the other side's arguments to see why they believe the way they do. Put yourself in the position of defending that position even if you disagree with it in reality. You will be surprised at what this exercise can reveal.

From what I see, many of you are stuck in a rut and need a paradigm shift. My mom showed me a photograph one time of a woman. I thought I was looking at an old woman, but she then pointed out that the picture was actually a young woman. In reality, the picture had both women there, but my brain was blocking the one until it was pointed out to me. Perhaps you have seen one of these simple visual illustrations.

I am not a smart man, but I do know that God resists the proud and exalts the humble. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 6:51 AM:

" Let's see now, who was it calling for civility just a few days ago. I could swear I heard BBD ask for that. Nah, surely not. If that were the case he wouldn't have posting what he did at 8:02 PM. One might consider that particular post as a bit of pot stirring, and we know how strong those on the right feel about that.

Then the parrot, ed miller, jumps in with his big stick a few minutes later.

Of course nothing posted on here yesterday from the right would be considered pot stirring, would it? Nope, it's only that when it comes for the left.

Yup, all the pot stirring, name calling and harassment comes from the left. Those on the right wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. LOL! "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 8:02 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:13 PM:

" ("your putting words in my mouth BLUEDOG, I do believe it is corrupt misguided whatever and as I said before, the only thing I support is their bravery, that is about it, I feel some are misguided, I guess maybe you'd like me to say I hate the troops or something, it isn't that, I support them as people for one and as brave people, is that clear enough for you lol, so why might I ask did you change your mind as you got older? ")

No nj, it's not clear. If you believe their mission is corrupt and misguided, then obviously on some level you must believe that they are corrupt and misguided as well. The majority of the troops I have met and read about DO believe their mission is noble and worthwhile in Iraq. To say you support them as people, is vague to the point of meaninglessness. To say you support their bravery in spite of it's misguided and corrupt intent, would be tantamount to supporting bravery for bravery's sake, regardless of motive. To be intellectually honest and consistent, you would likewise have to support the "bravery" of the Islamists who flew the planes into certain death on 9/11.

I know I'm belaboring the point, and I know you're not changing your mind. I just feel that my position needed further clarification because I didn't think you understood me. I suppose we will have to respectfully disagree on this, as a matter of perspective. "

lol maybe they are corrupt and misguided then, I'll bet some easily are, not all but some, if that is the way you want it then I suppose by your definition I don't support nay troop who wasn't or isn't there out of Necessity, happy yet? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 8:05 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 8, 2009 10:17 PM:

" (injustice85 - "you for instance keep trying to get to the bottom of my opinions but in the end I've repeated everything to time and time again, I won't change but I will acknowledge your opinions, in fact why don't you list me your exact black and white opinions on abortion, religiong, the war, and all that jazz, I hear you clarifying but never fully expressing yourself, as for that learn outside the classroom thing I see that you understand it but I don't get why you don't think that way, as far as I can tell you follow tradition ")

Yes I do tend to "chase" an argument to it's conclusion. You'll have to forgive me. It's a bit of an occupational habit with me. And if you've read my posts you'll see that most of my positions are clearly self evident. The only exception would be religion.

As a recovering Atheist I am still on my journey. As time passes I have more of an idea of where I'm going, and I have less and less doubt of where I've been. In matters of faith more than anything else, hindsight is truly foresight.

And why do I think the way I do? In a word: experience. What you call "tradition" I call "experience".

Knowledge comes from the classroom. Wisdom comes from experience. "

That it does but tradition is not experience by any means, not at least how I'm using it lol, the tradition I speak of or the many began at birth, it is tradition shoved down your throat as a child such as eat your vegetables or whatever except it grows beyond that, then school becomes tradition, not all are bad but sometimes it doesn't hurt to break away or find how life works for you, sounds like you've done plenty of that though, thats a good thing but I wouldn't call it tradition "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 8:15 AM:

" Gosh "Benji",

You certainly played every emotional card that a Liberal could possibly deal on that post, didn't you? Talk about absolute moral authority. After all, who would DARE argue with such a sympathetic figure?

Well....I would dare.

Let's see, mentally disabled with an I.Q. of 30? That's some very rare and extraordinary mental telepathy that you're sending to your pooor old mum, isn't it my lad?

I marvel at your deeply philosophical and spiritual insights. Mum certainly has a knack for reading you, doesn't she.

Please forgive any unintentional callousness in this question, but I feel it is to the point: Does mum regret giving birth to you, given the challenging condition in which you find yourself?

If mum had been forewarned, would she still have carried you to full term?

Oh and, there's no need to "force myself" to argue the opposing point of view. Because as a former Liberal and Atheist, I spent years arguing the opposing point of view most passionately. I also have a mentally disabled sibling. So you see, I've had my "paradigm shift" on several levels.

See how carefully I have judged, Benji?

I fully expect the same measure to be measured back to me.

In fact, I would insist on it. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 8:24 AM:

" Well,

Since we've had a mentally and physically disabled individual "channel" their deeply spiritual and philosophical insights onto these pages, it would be most apropos to "channel" the insights of a voiceless fetus, next.

Would it not?

Oh perhaps an aborted fetus? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 8:55 AM:

" How can anyone who loves our country support the Republicans now? Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan defined the modern conservatism that used to be what the Republican Party I belonged to was about. Today no actual conservative can be a Republican. Reagan would despise today's wholly negative Republican Party. And can you picture the gentlemanly and always polite Ronald Reagan, endorsing a radio hate-jock slob who crudely mocked a man with Parkinson's and who now says he wants an American president to fail?!

Frank Schaeffer-

I remember one of those from the right on here not long ago saying Reagan, if he were still alive, would be chanting Limbaugh's name. Somehow I doubt that.

If anything, I would imagine he would be disgusted and ashamed of his party for what they have done to this country and them self.

Limbaugh represents a small portion of the Republican party, and that's the angry old white men crowd. He feeds into their anger and frustrations on a daily basis. To make matters worse, he then hawks his cheap coffee cups and t-shirts to these old farts, who probably proudly show them off to their friends and neighbors. Check out the demographics of his audience.

Newt Gingrich, who despite having the morals of an alley cat, knows that, and apparently is willing to gamble that by criticisizing Limbaugh he will come out ahead. I could be wrong, but I don't see Newt crawling to Limbaugh for forgiveness like all of that bunch of cowardly ninny's who have done just that over the last few weeks.

Gingrich has proven himself to be a brilliant strategist in the past. Could he be setting Limbaugh up? Is is possible that Gingrich is actually trying to get the party separated, and get Limbaugh and his band of angry old men isolated, while he himself moves into the position of leading the more moderate members of his party to prominence once again?

Limbaugh rants that the party needs to become more conservative, and others in the party say they need to broaden their base and become more inclusive.

I believe Gingrich favors the latter theory.

Is Gingrich's criticism of Limbaugh the beginning of the battle for control of the party?

If Gingrich stick to his guns, watch for more people from the GOP standing up to the radio loudmouth.

The Republican party is in shambles and I can see this scenario actually playing out over the next several months.

Friction has always existed between these two. Both see themselves as the reason the GOP took over the house in 94. Personally I have always given Newt credit for it.

I've always found it hilarious that Limbaugh wants credit for the House victory in 94, but doesn't want to be associated with any Republican losses since then.

I can't believe rational thinking Republicans would actually allow the bloated gasbag Limbaugh speak for them. Perhaps Newt's criticism was a stroke of genius. Only time will tell. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:02 AM:

" NKorea's Kim wins parliamentary seat: official media
1 hour ago

SEOUL (AFP) Leader Kim Jong-Il has been unanimously elected to a seat in North Korea's parliament, following a 100 percent turnout in his constituency, state media said Monday.

************

And just in case this didn't happen, the North Korean Supreme court was prepared to step in and declare him the winner, ala Florida 2000. LOL! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:37 AM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 8, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Hey Cedric, HP may love to stir things up, but he's not alone in that undertaking. He gives as good as he gets and so do others here. BUT to even suggest in the broadest terms he's a pedophile is WAY OVER THE TOP!

NO WAY! "

Billie even as little of respect for harry that I have, I agree with you. No one other than a pedophile should ever be called one. In my opinion that word is worse than honky, cracker. N word, retard or even a lowlife.
I also hate name calling as it is childish. When I called harry a coward and lier, those were not just names they was truths. He hides behind fake nameS, and spouts crap out like the south end of a north bound cow.= coward. He said he "had" posted and told me something, that he had not.= lier.
Some say skip the posts of people you don't like. No way I read them all, everyone is entitled to their opinions even if I don't agree. And maybe some day they will say something that I do agree with, or makes me see that my opinion of that subject could be wrong. Skipping those posts will not teach you anything, or let you learn something that you might have. I read the people on the lefts post and think to myself " ha take that on the right". But also read the right and think "ha take that left". All the while learning things.
I can not imagine what I have said that would make everyone skip my posts. I do not side with people I only state my opinions. "

oldschool wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:50 AM:

" Oh....And I guess JFK would be proud of the Democratic party as it is today Potter?

"Ask not, what your country can do for you....But what YOU, can do for your country"

The way JFK governed in the early 60's was nothing short of conservative ideals that would make any conservative proud today. If Pelosi and Reid held the same positions back then they would be arrested for treason by Bobby.

Oh...the irony that the popular democratic icon JFK governed from the center/right yet, the democratic party of todays standards would have run him out of town, probably finishing the trip on some "cost over run" high speed rail from Vegas to California. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:25 AM:

" (Harry - "Let's see now, who was it calling for civility just a few days ago. I could swear I heard BBD ask for that. Nah, surely not. If that were the case he wouldn't have posting what he did at 8:02 PM. One might consider that particular post as a bit of pot stirring, and we know how strong those on the right feel about that.")

Actually Harry, the letter that started this thread is calling for civility. I would have thought that you would be willing to either oblige that point or at least refrain from comment all together.

And my 8:02PM post could only be considered "pot-stirring" if it were, untrue. And of course you and I both know that it is accurate.

If you don't want to debate me Harry, that's fine. Just don't spread the false assertion that my arguments are riddled with lies, or that I'm relying on an endless stream of Right-Wing sources.

Oh and, Billy doesn't seem to be aware that you insinuated that I might be a pedophile during one my religious debates a couple of months back. And she seems to have forgotten the tendency of you and fatherbob to throw the "gay" accusations towards people on the Right.

I suppose that was just more of that acceptable "pot-stirring"..... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:26 AM:

" (injustice85 - "lol maybe they are corrupt and misguided then, I'll bet some easily are, not all but some, if that is the way you want it then I suppose by your definition I don't support nay troop who wasn't or isn't there out of Necessity, happy yet?")

Happy? No.

Confirmed in my analysis? Yes. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:29 AM:

" (injustice85 - "That it does but tradition is not experience by any means, not at least how I'm using it lol, the tradition I speak of or the many began at birth, it is tradition shoved down your throat as a child such as eat your vegetables or whatever except it grows beyond that, then school becomes tradition, not all are bad but sometimes it doesn't hurt to break away or find how life works for you, sounds like you've done plenty of that though, thats a good thing but I wouldn't call it tradition")

Tradition CAN be based on useful experience, nj. Who could argue that eating your vegetables is beneficial to your health?

You seem to be missing a very salient point here, Julian.

You can't see the proverbial forest because the trees of your youth are obstructing your sight. Rebellion at your age, against all things you view as "traditional", IS a time honored TRADITION in itself. The irony here is that you are not as "open-minded" and rebellious as I was at your age. That's not an insult mind you. To your credit Julian, you seem to have a more balanced "open-mind" than most social rebels in this age or in my generation.

Clearly, someone, somewhere, had a positive influence on you. Either intentionally or unintentionally. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:50 AM:

" Billie, perhaps you can get through to our friend Rohn, the fact that sometimes things don't show up when you post them. I give up. I have tried to explain this to Rohn, on at least two occasions, but I don't seem to be able to get through. All I get is "yer a lier" (among other names).

I suppose Rohn won't understand that until it happens to her/him (?). I would challenge anyone who regularly posts on here to deny that it hasn't happened to them on more than one occasion, regardless of the content and nature of their message. I have never understood why that happens, but then I'm sort of a computer illiterate and don't really understand how this whole cyber-thing works.

While you're at it you might point out that our friend father bob is a avowed atheist, and while I don't share his feelings on that, I respect his views, just as he seems to respect mine. I have never really believed that BBD thinks that fb and I are the same person, because as much as I disagree with most of his positions, I've never thought he was a stupid person, to the contrary, and you would have to be rather lame brained to not be able to distinguish between fb and myself. I would think that anyone with half a brain would be able to see that, but I guess not.

Back to the religion thing, I feel that one's religious views are a very personal and private thing and have never shared mine on here. Unlike some, I don't wear mine on my shoulder.

While I may have mocked some of the rediculous ideas put forth on here, such as the earth only being a few thousand years old, and the downright hateful remarks from some of the so called "Christians", I try to stay away from the religious topics that seem to show up on here rather frequently. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:37 AM:

" (cedric66 wrote on Mar 7, 2009 7:38 PM:
"Very good Ed. Our definition of a troll is a guy that hangs out under bridges and grabs little boys and eats them. Back home, we call that person a pedophile ")

Harry responds with:

(Harry Potter wrote on Mar 8, 2009 9:13 AM: "And if you're a Republican you put him in as head of your party. LOL!")

Did Harry just call someone a pedophile, Billy?

Oh, that's right......Harry doesn't do such things.

He's just doing a little "pot-stirring" again.

I forgot.

Oh and let me add the obligatory "LOL!"

See that? I guess I'm "pot-stirring" now. So that should make this post perfectly acceptable.

After all, we wouldn't want things to get boring in here, would we. "

father bob wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:39 AM:

" i see the inane and inept rightwing continues it's amnesia....

the sky is falling! the sky is falling! we've ruined the world in 48 days!!! ROFLMAO!! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:54 AM:

" Oh gee,

Look what I found.

Harry alters RWB's post and inserts the label "pedophile".

*RWB'S original post*

("red,white,blue wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:36 PM:

" And if FB wants to talk about racism as he does all the time, why don't you ask Michael Steele what it's like to be a conservative and black? He knows how it is to be treated badly because he dares to get off the plantation.")

*Harry responds by altering RWB's post and inserting accusations of pedophilia*

(Harry Potter wrote on Feb 21, 2009 4:11 PM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:36 PM:

" And if NeoCon Academician wants to talk about racism as he does all the time, why don't you ask Michael Jackson what it's like to be a conservative pedophile and black? He knows how it is to be treated badly because he dares to get off the plantation."

Really now RWB, that seems a little strong.")

Read it for yourselves:

http://tinyurl.com/cuasx2

You'll find that it's the ONLY time the word "pedophile" is used on that thread. Thanks to Harry.

Oh that little "pot-stirrer"........ "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:58 AM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:37 AM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 8, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Hey Cedric, HP may love to stir things up, but he's not alone in that undertaking. He gives as good as he gets and so do others here. BUT to even suggest in the broadest terms he's a pedophile is WAY OVER THE TOP!

NO WAY! "

Billie even as little of respect for harry that I have, I agree with you. No one other than a pedophile should ever be called one. In my opinion that word is worse than honky, cracker. N word, retard or even a lowlife.
I also hate name calling as it is childish. When I called harry a coward and lier, those were not just names they was truths. He hides behind fake nameS, and spouts crap out like the south end of a north bound cow.= coward. He said he "had" posted and told me something, that he had not.= lier.
Some say skip the posts of people you don't like. No way I read them all, everyone is entitled to their opinions even if I don't agree. And maybe some day they will say something that I do agree with, or makes me see that my opinion of that subject could be wrong. Skipping those posts will not teach you anything, or let you learn something that you might have. I read the people on the lefts post and think to myself " ha take that on the right". But also read the right and think "ha take that left". All the while learning things.
I can not imagine what I have said that would make everyone skip my posts. I do not side with people I only state my opinions. "

perhaps your opinions should be more relevant than discussing harry, that is all anyone does on here anymore is discuss harry lol, Harry you've got yourself quite the fan club, more than half the comments on here are about or towards you, I guess there is just something about us liberals that !@#$%^ everyone off! perhaps it is the usual black and white mind boggling, "Life is a mirror and will reflect back to the thinker what he thinks into it." Ernest Holmes They must see you in their mirrors a lot Harry because they reflect upon you constantly lol, keep up the good work! "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 12:07 PM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:50 AM:

" Oh....And I guess JFK would be proud of the Democratic party as it is today Potter?

"Ask not, what your country can do for you....But what YOU, can do for your country"

The way JFK governed in the early 60's was nothing short of conservative ideals that would make any conservative proud today. If Pelosi and Reid held the same positions back then they would be arrested for treason by Bobby.

Oh...the irony that the popular democratic icon JFK governed from the center/right yet, the democratic party of todays standards would have run him out of town, probably finishing the trip on some "cost over run" high speed rail from Vegas to California. "

wow talk about black and white, have we reduced the democratic party to a standard? the republican party? either could be whatever any president wanted to make of it, as for what we can do for our country..maybe we could get it to do something for us again like not waste our money, not tax the things that don't have majority support, not pick meaningless fights with other countries, c'mon wah wah wah Iran and Korea are testing weapons boo hoo, we can but they can't because they could use them on us, as if we wouldn't use them on them, America has gone imperialistic, not all the people, a government that we let get out of control, justify our imperialistic acts, find a way to tell me that it's ok for us to have nukes but no one else, we aren't the world police, well they could use them on us blah blah blah, our levels of stability aren't looking much better, JFK would be devasted with the way this country is and has been since his passing, and no it wouldn't just be the democrats fault like you'd like to assume, Everybodies on Obama like no other and the man's been there for what like 2 months now, how long did it take to see through Bush's disguise? As soon as everyone was done being patriotically brainwashed after 9/11? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 12:18 PM:

" Here is one for you BLUEDOG in rememberance of your "grey" days... "Minds are like parachutes, they only function when open." Thomas Dewar or perhaps you'd prefer... "TO profit from good advice requires more wisdom than to give it." Churton Collins

no puns intended, just thinking of you buddy lol, you know something tells me I would probably get along with you all right outside of the computer lol, for the life of me I will probably never see things like you but at least you acknowledge my opinion lol, that is more than some are willing to do, in the end that's what matters, we acknowledge each others opinions, those quotes aren't meant to point out that you don't understand them, I just simply like those quotes "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 12:21 PM:

" Hey Oldschool let me know when you're next night and start time is and I will try to come over for a visit. Wait do they still allow lowlifes in?? LMFAO Have you been playing long?? If so I think just by the way you are in here I know who you are. lol "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 12:26 PM:

" Gee,

More Harry Potter "pot-stirring":

(Harry Potter wrote on Jan 11, 2009 6:12 PM:

"I'm not surprised that the conversation turned to pedophiles. It usually does when Blow gets involved. He seems to have an unusual interest in that topic. That subject and any mention of homosexuality will draw him like flies to a cow pie. lol!")

Read it here: http://tinyurl.com/d4zcbo

++++++++++

Did Harry just insinuate that I'm a pedophile?

Uhm....yeah. Yeah he did.

But hey, let's give Harry (The little "pot-stirrer") a pass.

Shall we folks?

After all Harry's ingratiated himself with certain folks in here to the point where.....ah shucks, rules don't apply to good ole Harry.

So remember folks:

Calling Harry a pedophile = BAD!!!! AWFUL!!!!! COMPLETELY OVER THE LINE!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!

*BUT*

Harry calling other people pedophiles = ....meh.....whatever....... "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 1:00 PM:

" ya know just the fact that we are all here and questioning each other at least proves that we still seek to learn something from each other, I really think it's time we all meet in some kind of bloggers get together, if we met eye to eye at least we could all understand each other enough to move forward in a slightly more similar direction rather than opposite directions all the time, after all nothing in this world would be accomplished if no one ever moved together, we blog about these issues all the time so why don't we work to understand them together and fight them together after all it is more than simply talk but a reality, I already know that TOM is willing, who else? "

father bob wrote on Mar 9, 2009 1:03 PM:

" feminazi, phony soldiers, halfrican american, go failure!....the voice of the GOP speaking to the core of coles county republicans. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 2:12 PM:

" Here is some gray area issues.
U.S. says Chinese vessels harassed Navy ship.

In my opinion we should send a destroyer group there and tell them. With all of the piracy and escalation of tensions going on in the world, our unarmed Navy vessels feels threatened. So with saying that ANY threatening and unwanted actions by ANY and ALL ships pointed at our ships WILL be SUNK. I also say the UN should step up and tell these people the same thing. You don't want sunk stay the hell away from our ships. We will respect you're ships as well. The UN should take charge and put a stop to it. This whole world has become a bunch of threatening little weasels. Its time EVERYONE stops it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 2:18 PM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:50 AM:

" Oh....And I guess JFK would be proud of the Democratic party as it is today Potter?

Just like you, I have no idea, but I'll would bet he wouldn't think much of what the loony right wingers are trying to do to the Republican party, old school. And for that matter I have a hunch he might not think much of your hero, the morbidly obese, drug addicted, gasbag, little boy chasing, drama queen Limbaugh either.

And hey, I thought all of you righties had a visceral hatred for anything Kennedy. What's up? LOL! "

father bob wrote on Mar 9, 2009 2:29 PM:

" this is a good example of christianity gone awry....just plain sick:

Vatican defends excommunication of mother and doctors who assisted a 9 year old rape victim get an abortion. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:13 PM:

" harry I do know some do not post. So last word about it from me. I made my point and all seen that point. So harry lets find a new subject.
I still LOVE to watch you and BDD going at it. Keep up the stirring you two.
I also do not add my views on religion, abortion and the gun stuff thats been talked about lately. I try to look and see why both sides say and think like they do. When stupid comments like the pedophile crap, hoping President fails, racist remarks and others are said I tend to say how I feel about that stupidity.I just try and state my opinions of what people are saying, or whats happening. I know harry thinks of me as a stupid lowlife thats fine if he does. Maybe I am, but I do not think I am. But I do not fit in with high society and other snooty, smug and think they are the best people. So again maybe I am a lowlife. LMAO "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:13 PM:

" Thank you for the poignant quotations Julian. I couldn't agree more.

In the spirit of "dictum sapienti sat est" allow me to submit a pearl from favorite author:

"Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid."

- G.K. Chesterton "

Billie Brant wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:25 PM:

" BDD, For ANYONE to call or insinuate that someone is a pedophile( the lowest of the low) here just to do it because they can, I feel is wrong. Period. I don't know how much more clearly I can say it. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:26 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 1:00 PM:

" ya know just the fact that we are all here and questioning each other at least proves that we still seek to learn something from each other, I really think it's time we all meet in some kind of bloggers get together, if we met eye to eye at least we could all understand each other enough to move forward in a slightly more similar direction rather than opposite directions *************

I agree would be great to meet all of you. Whats the funniest is I bet some of us know each other.
In the meeting we all might be able to understand how and why some of us think and believe the way we do.

fb I agree with you about the 9 year old. There is NO WAY a 9 year old has the equipment meant to birth a child. I still say the day after pill should be used more. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:31 PM:

" Everyone needs to shut their mouths "or fingers" and open their mind way more than we do as a society these days. "

BW wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:42 PM:

" Man, this site is really getting inbred. Just a half dozen or so posters sniping at each other at a personal insult level with little, if any, regard to the original topic. There are several others who are exceptions to my previous statement and you are certainly appreciated. Just that small handful uses 90% of the space and sheds 1% of the light. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:03 PM:

" (BW - "Man, this site is really getting inbred. Just a half dozen or so posters sniping at each other at a personal insult level with little, if any, regard to the original topic.")

Sniping and insults are part of the original topic.

I've tried to make my points without engaging in either. "

father bob wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:14 PM:

" Billie Brant wrote on Mar 9, 2009 3:25 PM:
" BDD, For ANYONE to call or insinuate that someone is a pedophile( the lowest of the low)"""""

that's Dorothy for ya.... "

BW wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:21 PM:

" BDD,I'm not just referring to this topic. I'm referring to any and all topics. "

father bob wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:23 PM:

" happy days....embryonic stem cell research can continue. wish bush hadn't banned it, otherwise my mother and thousands of other patients mights be alive, instead facing an early death. 8 years is a long time in the scientific community. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:33 PM:

" Harry you've got yourself quite the fan club, more than half the comments on here are about or towards you, I guess there is just something about us liberals that !@#$%^ everyone off!

Yeah I do, and sending old BBD into orbit is what I like doing best. It's really not that hard to do. Just watching his reaction to what I say is pretty entertaining. And the funny thing is he still hasn't figured out how I do it yet. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:39 PM:

" Rohn Gordon, I have no quarrel with you. I would like to apologise for my over the top comments directed toward you. I should not have referred to you as a low life. How about a fresh start?

I try to treat people on here as they treat me. Attack me and I will reciprocate. Treat me with respect and you will get the same treatment back. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:52 PM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 9, 2009 4:23 PM:

" happy days....embryonic stem cell research can continue. wish bush hadn't banned it, otherwise my mother and thousands of other patients mights be alive, instead facing an early death. 8 years is a long time in the scientific community.

Right on fb, isn't it refreshing to see a president who is going to rely on science instead of corporations, who have a vested interest, to make decisions. Obama impresses me more by the day. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 5:05 PM:

" Let's see,

Julian's words in his letter:

"We throw around accusations and attack without absorbing and understanding. If we acted this way in public we would probably be considered heathens."

"In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely."

"We might as well get along."

Julian's words now:

"Harry you've got yourself quite the fan club, more than half the comments on here are about or towards you, I guess there is just something about us liberals that !@#$%^ everyone off! perhaps it is the usual black and white mind boggling, "Life is a mirror and will reflect back to the thinker what he thinks into it."...."

Harry's response:

"Yeah I do, and sending old BBD into orbit is what I like doing best. It's really not that hard to do. Just watching his reaction to what I say is pretty entertaining. And the funny thing is he still hasn't figured out how I do it yet. LOL!"

+++++++++

Get the picture folks?

Liberals are only interested in "getting along" on their terms.

++++++++

Harry - "I try to treat people on here as they treat me. Attack me and I will reciprocate. Treat me with respect and you will get the same treatment back."

And uhm.....when did I ever call you a pedophile Harry?

Don't bother answering.

We all know this entire "let's all try to get along" is just a farce, don't we Julian. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 5:13 PM:

" What Harry likes doing best is evading questions, distorting the truth, and calling names.

Just read over this thread if you doubt me.

Oh that's right,

this entire thread along with the original letter are nothing more than pointless sophistry.

(Harry - "Yeah I do, and sending old BBD into orbit is what I like doing best. It's really not that hard to do. Just watching his reaction to what I say is pretty entertaining. And the funny thing is he still hasn't figured out how I do it yet. LOL!")

(Harry - "I'm not surprised that the conversation turned to pedophiles. It usually does when Blow gets involved. He seems to have an unusual interest in that topic. That subject and any mention of homosexuality will draw him like flies to a cow pie. lol!")

Cue the praises over Harry's "pot-stirring" abilities in ..........3.......2.......1....... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 5:19 PM:

" (Julian - "In the end, we can always agree to disagree, respectively and politely.")

(BDD, For ANYONE to call or insinuate that someone is a pedophile the lowest of the low

fatherbob responds - "that's Dorothy for ya....")

(Harry -"...sending old BBD into orbit is what I like doing best. It's really not that hard to do. Just watching his reaction to what I say is pretty entertaining. And the funny thing is he still hasn't figured out how I do it yet. LOL!")

++++++++

Liberal hypocrisy at it's finest, folks. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 5:48 PM:

" See what I mean, nj? And he still doesn't have a clue. LOL! "

Rotty wrote on Mar 9, 2009 6:36 PM:

" Feel The Love?

http://tinyurl.com/audh3j

It's Squeezably Soft! "

ed miller wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:02 PM:

" Thank God, Obama is funding stem cell research with my money. You know with a $3.6 trillion budget, $1.7 trillion annual deficit, $800 billion plus borrowing stimulus, $600 billion plus in outlays for new nationalized health care, another $600 billion again for cap-and-trade, and billions in misc. "bailouts", I'm sure glad we found something else to spend money on like a drunken Kennedy.

The irony is that it's probably not necessary. Over a year ago, researchers found a way to unlock adult stem cells to have the same flexibility as hEsc lines, ie, the ability to transform into any kind of tissue. Bushs policy in effect pushed the government-funded research in that direction, which prompted the breakthrough. With that process available, we have no need to grind up our offspring to cure diseases, especially since grinding up our offspring has yet to result in even one therapeutic result, despite billions of dollars of research into hEsc. A scientific approach would dictate that we follow success instead of failure.

In fact, the market has done just that. While some states (California being one) have provided public funds for hEsc research, most of the private money goes towards adult stem-cell research. Why? Its a proven technology. Thats one of the reasons hEsc researchers are so desperate to overturn Bushs ban on federal funding because they cant compete for any other funding any longer.

This decision places politics ahead of science. People demand government funding for hEsc not because it works, but because its popular. Pro-abortion activists want it as an endorsement of abortion as some sort of mechanism for scientific advance, and theyve managed to sucker the rest into thinking that well all die unless we start destroying embryos to keep us alive.

More importantly, Obama scores some political points from his mindless liberal followers who celebrate these trivial matters so they don't have to watch Hillary on her hands and knees, begging the Chinese to buy up our colossal debt. Obama scares me more by the day. "

The Question wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:31 PM:

" I note that Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich are busy snarling at each other, one of those "distractions" that the Democrats are "causing" by saying nothing whatsoever. LOL.
Scratch each other's eyes out, right wingers. Give us a nice show. "

xr2ht7z wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:44 PM:

" Harry Potters a troll "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:52 PM:

" Ya gotta love how Fox news conducts little polls, almost daily now, on how Obama's doing. Funny I don't recall them running polls asking how Bush was doing. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:54 PM:

" xr2ht7z wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:44 PM:

" Harry Potters a troll "

Thank you BBD, I like you too. LOL! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Good enough Harry. "

Locke wrote on Mar 9, 2009 8:12 PM:

" Calling Ed Primary. "

oldschool wrote on Mar 9, 2009 8:49 PM:

" "Rohn" sorry for the delayed response to your inquiry regarding volleyball.

We play this Thursday at 7pm. Perhaps I'll see you there!! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:14 PM:

" I will try. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:46 PM:

" While all of the moronic liberals have fell for the White House's Rush Limbaugh diversion, Rush has certainly benefited. His ratings have gone through the roof. Now you see why all the other administrations were smart and ignored the political commentators. Of course, "smart" does not come to mind when describing this group of misfits "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 9:57 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:29 AM:
" (injustice85 - "That it does but tradition is not experience by any means, not at least how I'm using it lol, the tradition I speak of or the many began at birth, it is tradition shoved down your throat as a child such as eat your vegetables or whatever except it grows beyond that, then school becomes tradition, not all are bad but sometimes it doesn't hurt to break away or find how life works for you, sounds like you've done plenty of that though, thats a good thing but I wouldn't call it tradition")

Tradition CAN be based on useful experience, nj. Who could argue that eating your vegetables is beneficial to your health?

You seem to be missing a very salient point here, Julian.

You can't see the proverbial forest because the trees of your youth are obstructing your sight. Rebellion at your age, against all things you view as "traditional", IS a time honored TRADITION in itself. The irony here is that you are not as "open-minded" and rebellious as I was at your age. That's not an insult mind you. To your credit Julian, you seem to have a more balanced "open-mind" than most social rebels in this age or in my generation.

Clearly, someone, somewhere, had a positive influence on you. Either intentionally or unintentionally.

very good BLUEDOG, an extremely good point, I don't feel that I'm rebellious though, I feel I rebel against certain things but not really, I just like to question this and that if it doesn't fully make sense to me, either way rebelling is in itself a tradition very good point but I don't feel blinded by rebellion though just...injustice in my view "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:05 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat

We all know this entire "let's all try to get along" is just a farce, don't we Julian. "

are you serious dude? i said nothing of my own terms, i do not control anyone on here nor their words nor the liberals as you say, is it that difficult of a point to get along? i don't control what harry or you or tom or anyone says, my terms mean nothing, only on your terms and theirs would this work, i like your quote though, actions do speak louder than words, that is why maybe we should try working together to do our part in the community rather than just blogging our opinions "

oldschool wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:06 PM:

" "injustice".....the enemy started to show their hatred of Bush shortly before the 2000 election.

Compound that early hatred with the "to the wire" results of that election and you have an enemy that went full bore in trying to see that everything Bush did was a failure.

Not just his policies, but the man himself. Quite a difference from myself and others that don't hate Obama, just don't like his policies.

So...to answer or counter your point on Obama being in office for 5 weeks...never hated the man,,,,,just his vision and policies thus far. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:11 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 5:48 PM:
" See what I mean, nj? And he still doesn't have a clue. LOL! "

apparently not, just can't be respectful or senseful huh BLUEDOGDEMOCRAT?, the fact that you continuously reduce this to a "liberal" issue is nothing short of pathetic, an attempt to throw a side into an issue that is beyond liberals and conservatives, your judgement of all liberals is that of a catholics opinion on christianity, not only have you not proven me a hypocrit because like I said I don't control of others typing but you have managed to make yourself look rather silly "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:12 PM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 9, 2009 7:31 PM:
" I note that Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich are busy snarling at each other, one of those "distractions" that the Democrats are "causing" by saying nothing whatsoever. LOL.
Scratch each other's eyes out, right wingers. Give us a nice show. "

they are all too busy knowing everything "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:16 PM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:06 PM:
" "injustice".....the enemy started to show their hatred of Bush shortly before the 2000 election.

Compound that early hatred with the "to the wire" results of that election and you have an enemy that went full bore in trying to see that everything Bush did was a failure.

Not just his policies, but the man himself. Quite a difference from myself and others that don't hate Obama, just don't like his policies.

So...to answer or counter your point on Obama being in office for 5 weeks...never hated the man,,,,,just his vision and policies thus far. "

I agree, I'm still unsure of some policies but I don't like how reclusive he's become, I just figured we would see him speaking a lot more which isn't necessarily getting anything done but it reassures the American people, and I am frankly a bit sick of Micheles over talks about racial issues, if you ask me we teach children things they wouldn't know anything about otherwise such as...racism...either way I agree with you on Obama, the stimulus thing is simply to make it look like he is doing something when really nothing can be done, I understand why he is doing that but I don't understand his changing postions on issues "

ed miller wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:21 PM:

" Two more prospective would-be nominees have preemptively fled the albatross of being associated the Obama Administration.

Officially, Obama is just one flubbed Cabinet appointment away (at three, and counting) from equaling a dubious record of incompetence, a record currently held by the tenth President, John Tyler, who had four. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:05 PM:

" (injustice85 - "apparently not, just can't be respectful or senseful huh BLUEDOGDEMOCRAT?, the fact that you continuously reduce this to a "liberal" issue is nothing short of pathetic, an attempt to throw a side into an issue that is beyond liberals and conservatives,")

Au contraire Julian,

you've obviously forgotten your own words from a few hours prior:

("Harry you've got yourself quite the fan club, more than half the comments on here are about or towards you, I guess there is just something about us liberals that !@#$%^ everyone off!")

That is most definitely a reduction to all things Liberal; us versus them.

("your judgement of all liberals is that of a catholics opinion on christianity,")

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Especially given the fact that the Catholic Church is made up of Liberals and Conservatives, and the very relevant point that I am not a practicing Catholic.

("not only have you not proven me a hypocrit because like I said I don't control of others typing but you have managed to make yourself look rather silly")

Do you control their posts? No.

Do you condone their words?

("I guess there is just something about us liberals that !@#$%^ everyone off!")

It would certainly seem that way.

You have managed to make yourself look quite hypocritical, Julian. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:12 PM:

" (injustice85 - "but I don't feel blinded by rebellion though just...injustice in my view")

You misunderstood me, Julian.

I said you are blinded by your youth. The inexperience of youth blinds everyone.

Hence the old adage:

"Youth is wasted on the young."
- George Bernard Shaw "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:16 PM:

" There is one vital truth that I omitted from the Chesterton quote. The very last line:

"The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid. Otherwise it is more akin to a sewer, taking in all things equally."

G.K. Chesterton "

red,white,blue wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:37 AM:

" RE: BDD's post of March 9 at 11:54 a.m. Thank you for setting the record straight. I had not even seen the post where HP took my words and misconstrued what I had said completely by substituting other names and words. Pretty ironic coming from someone who once accused me of trying to pass off a post as my own words when I had done no such thing. Guess it's OK though to take someone else's post, change the words and meaning and try to pass it off as what was originally said. Could this be considered libel? No, just typical tactics from someone who must think that common courtesy is out the window and any means necessary to the point of lying about what was said is OK if you think it's going to make your point. I have other words for it not to be posted on here. Use your imagination.

And Ed Miller. I notice that FB and others have thus far ignored your excellent post about what actually has been happening with stem cell research. Drives me crazy when the media (including the headline on the jg-tc) states that "Bush's ban has been lifted." There was never any ban. The difference now is we the taxpayer are paying for this instead of private enterprise. But doesn't it make the Obama administration look wonderful and we all know that's what's important. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 1:39 AM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 9, 2009 1:03 PM:

" feminazi, phony soldiers, halfrican american, go failure!....the voice of the GOP speaking to the core of coles county republicans. "

kinda funny how McCains own daughter thinks the republicans are outta touch "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 1:41 AM:

" "Every silver lining's got a touch of grey." Jerry Garcia "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 6:27 AM:

" eddie eddie eddie, that might not be a good topic to bring up, considering the record number of misfits associated with the iconic Ronald Reagan, when it comes to political appointees.

Perhaps if Regan's appointees had gotten as much scrutiny, so many of them would not have had to leave in disgrace. They did, you know, in record numbers, eddie.

I don't suppose you would care to talk about that, huh? Old news, right! lol...

It seems to me that it might be more important what political appointees do after they get in place.

The jury is still out on Obama (except for the disgruntled and angry Republicans who started in on Obama before he actually took office). But they have spoken loud and clear about your hero, Bush. I think that's what really got all of you Obama bashers in such a snit. The last president was such a dismal failure, that you're bound and determined to drag Obama down to his level.

In closing let me say that when cut and pasting articles, the courteous thing to do is to credit the source. I notice you don't do that, eddie. Any reason for that?

Everyone, including myself, has been guilty of that from time to time, but you never give any credit. Even your cohort BBD has the decency to credit his sources.

You might want to consider doing that. If someone runs across something you copied or out and out plagiarized, you might get reminded of it. Just trying to save you from future embarrassment. "

red,white,blue wrote on Mar 10, 2009 6:58 AM:

" Not sure why it's kinda funny that even McCain's daughter thinks the Republicans are 'outta touch.' Many in the party feel that way about the Republican leadership. So what? Means we're able to think for ourselves unlike the sheep on the left
like HP who came up with some sort of wacko excuse why Obama's complete reliance on a teleprompter is so much better than using note cards or actually looking at people. That one was a real stretch. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:56 AM:

" Every crowd has a silver lining.

- P.T. Barnum "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 8:00 AM:

" Could this be considered libel?

Oh come on, RWB. You might be taking yourself just a tad too serious. Why are you so angry? Lighten up a little. In the big picture, is anything posted on here really going to make a difference? You need to put this thing in its proper perspective. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 8:12 AM:

" Do you agree with President Obama's decision to expand stem cell research?
Yes. (47 Votes, 58%)
No. (34 Votes, 42%)

The above numbers were from 8:00 AM today.

The fact that this is a very conservative area is usually reflected in the JG-TC on line poll results.

Today's poll seems show that the majority of people in this area are behind the president on this one.

That's very interesting to me.

Of course the Obama haters will put a different spin on the results. LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 8:25 AM:

" (injustice85 - "kinda funny how McCains own daughter thinks the republicans are outta touch")

It would be even funnier if Conservatives were to actually give any serious consideration at all to the opinions of the 23-year-old, socially liberal, John Kerry voting daughter of a Democrat posing as a Republican Senator.

McCain epitomizes all that is wrong with the Republican Party. So why on earth would anyone consider the Liberal daughter of the failed "Moderate" Presidential Candidate "in touch"? "

father bob wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:18 AM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:37 AM:
"t "Bush's ban has been lifted." There was never any ban."""""

hey einstein...what do you think a ban on funding is? why do you think the search companies LEFT THE COUNTRY for china, japan and great britain?

we're 8 years behind in what ONCE WAS the most technologically advance country in the world. but hey BUSH ruined that too. dumbing down the country along with the school kids. "

red,white,blue wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:18 AM:

" In the nothing to see here category: from media research center: The presidential candidate of the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front (FMLN), the communist revolutionaries in El Salvador the Reagan administration battled in the 1980s, is, a Monday Washington Post story noted, "a former correspondent for CNN en Espanol." In the March 9 article, "In El Salvador Vote, Big Opportunity for Leftists," reporter William Booth relayed from San Salvador that the journalist-turned-politician "considers himself to be El Salvador's Barack Obama." "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:48 AM:

" (RWB - "RE: BDD's post of March 9 at 11:54 a.m. Thank you for setting the record straight. I had not even seen the post where HP took my words and misconstrued what I had said completely by substituting other names and words. Pretty ironic coming from someone who once accused me of trying to pass off a post as my own words when I had done no such thing. Guess it's OK though to take someone else's post, change the words and meaning and try to pass it off as what was originally said. Could this be considered libel? No, just typical tactics from someone who must think that common courtesy is out the window and any means necessary to the point of lying about what was said is OK if you think it's going to make your point. I have other words for it not to be posted on here. Use your imagination.")

You're welcome RWB.

This is typical of Harry. He "plays" by no rules whatsoever. To him facts are meaningless, honest debate is irrelevant, and personal attacks are a source of pride.

What's truly disturbing about his behavior, is that he has stated that he is semi-retired, and was once a part of the school system.

Now just think about that for a moment.

Ponder on that profile, and then look at his actions in here.

Very, very, disturbing......... "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:52 AM:

" You people always talk about this network yaps about this side and vise versa. I do NOT watch all of that crap at home so I did not know that it could be as bad as some let on. Well as I laid in the bed at St. Johns after another stint, I decided to watch and see. And man o man was some of you right. It sounded exactly like these blogs read. Very few were fair and met in the middle. They was way RIGHT or LEFT. Thats not news that is side bashing. I am so glad I do not watch that crap. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:17 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 6:27 AM:

" The last president was such a dismal failure, that you're bound and determined to drag Obama down to his level."

He apparently doesn't need anyone's help to that.

As far as my post, I gathered the info from a few articles. I know one was PJM. I copied their figures, but the words are my own. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:23 AM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:18 AM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:37 AM:
"t "Bush's ban has been lifted." There was never any ban."""""

hey einstein...what do you think a ban on funding is? why do you think the search companies LEFT THE COUNTRY for china, japan and great britain

So, is the government now required to fund all scientific research? I think we have better things to spend money on right now.

Many people have a problem with their tax money going to something against their religious beliefs. The left raised a stink about the government helping religious charities, even though they can help poor people much for efficiently than the government. Besides since the liberals think the religious people are nothing but rich Republicans, it will be their taxes paying for 80% of it anyway. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:43 AM:

" In the nothing to see here category: from media research center...

That's the wacko outfit ran by the extremist right winger Brent Bozell, who goes on Fox news, of all places, to talk about media bias. Oh yeah, that's really the place to go to talk about bias in the media. Of course old Brett only talks about left wing bias, right RWB. For some strange reason he give Fox a pass everytime. lol.. Of course he only goes on Fox because the other networks would probably laugh him off the screen, like they do that other Republican nutcase, Ann Coulter.

Good grief RWB, the next thing you know you'll be quoting Joseph Goebbels. LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:11 AM:

" VAUNTED OBAMA MESSAGE MACHINE IS OFF-KEY

REUTERS (March 10 2009) When billionaire investor Warren Buffett says President Barack Obama's economic message is muddled and undermining public confidence, it's worth listening.

Halfway through his first 100 days in office, ace communicator Obama has struggled to find the right tone in talking about the economy, twinning bleak warnings with optimism about the future.

....Last week the White House spent some time accusing conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh of being the leader of the Republican Party.

But Obama, together with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, White House economic guru Lawrence Summers and others have so far failed to explain how they plan to rescue American banks, some of which are teetering on the brink of collapse.

+++++++++

You know Obama's (Rush Limbaugh-Distraction Tactics) are a dismal failure when the normally Messiah-Sycophant media starts questioning his message.

ROFLMAO!

Good Times....Good Times! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:22 AM:

" No consideration? Funny they gave a lot of consideration to Joe the plumbers helper, both doing the election and at their recent get together, where he was a featured speaker. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:53 AM:

" More on the government wasting your money from PJM.

"Some question the timing: lifting the stem cell research funding ban is a political win for Obama at a time when hes losing public opinion ground on the economy. It also puts Republicans on defense moderates and Democrats favor embryonic stem cell research, while conservatives dislike it.

A couple things to clarify: First, existing lines of human embryonic stem cell research continued throughout the Bush administration. Second, human embryonic stem cell research was not banned generally, nor was any other kind of stem cell research banned. The previous executive order specifically prevented government funds from being used for embryonic stem cell research. Third, human embryonic stem cell research is just a subset of stem cell research. Stem cells can be found everywhere bone marrow, blood, fat, and skin all contain stem cells and umbilical cord blood has very pluripotent stem cells. Embryonic stem cell research is one part of this research. Every other kind of stem cell research continued to receive federal grant money. Finally, embryonic stem cell research may be history anyway because its unnecessary.

These clarifications are important. The press, the left, and even some on the right have purposefully misrepresented President Bushs position about stem cells, making it seem like he hated stem cell research in particular and science generally. This was a simplistic view meant to reinforce the image of Bush as a bible-beating, anti-science zealot rather than a man sensitive to the ethical concerns of using the citizenrys money to fund research which many voters view as morally ambiguous."

Remember the Democrats hate to "waste a good crisis" to forward their social agenda. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:59 AM:

" Oh my, another prominent Republican comes out and says he wants Obama to succeed.

Unlike the disgruntled losers who post on here daily, and appear to be gleeful at the prospect of their president failing, not all Republicans want to see their president fail.

They seem to understand that if he succeeds the whole country succeeds, and if he fails the who country fails. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:00 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:43 AM:
" That's the wacko outfit ran by the extremist right winger Brent Bozell, who goes on Fox news, of all places, to talk about media bias."

Hey Harry,

Do you think Walter Cronkite would ever have exclaimed " I have to tell ya, a little chill in my, in my legs now." when he heard the President speak?

Puhleeeeze, if Bush were in office now, the media would be tearing him apart for racking up more debt to promote his programs while the economy was in the toilet. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:23 PM:

" Obama seems to have hit the ground running in implementing his ideas to clean up the mess he inherited. Contrast that with the first few weeks of the Bush administration where the focus was to reward as many his donors as possible. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:49 PM:

" To be fair, I have to give Obama some credit. It looks like he is taking on the powerful teachers unions to make them accountable. I'm sure Pelosi will love that. I will be even more impressed if we can get tax credits for private and religious schooling. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 10, 2009 1:47 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:52 AM:

"I am so glad I do not watch that crap."

.......

Me too, Rohn.
The only station I watch is WEIU/PBS, & now that we've had to start using these damn converter boxes, I can't even get that channel.
Guess as they say, no news is good news.
LOL! "

father bob wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 10:23 AM:
"So, is the government now required to fund all scientific research? I think we have better things to spend money on right now.""""

you're a bigger moron than i thought eddie.....if you really want to go that route, lets do away with nasa, the national weather service, all farm subsidies, at least 2 branches of the armed services, pell grants, the FDA, the USDA, the interstate system, the panama canal......what else do we not have money for eddie???....you pick some. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:42 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 9, 2009 11:05 PM:
" (injustice85 - "apparently not, just can't be respectful or senseful huh BLUEDOGDEMOCRAT?, the fact that you continuously reduce this to a "liberal" issue is nothing short of pathetic, an attempt to throw a side into an issue that is beyond liberals and conservatives,")

Au contraire Julian,

you've obviously forgotten your own words from a few hours prior:

("Harry you've got yourself quite the fan club, more than half the comments on here are about or towards you, I guess there is just something about us liberals that !@#$%^ everyone off!")

That is most definitely a reduction to all things Liberal; us versus them.

("your judgement of all liberals is that of a catholics opinion on christianity,")

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Especially given the fact that the Catholic Church is made up of Liberals and Conservatives, and the very relevant point that I am not a practicing Catholic.

("not only have you not proven me a hypocrit because like I said I don't control of others typing but you have managed to make yourself look rather silly")

Do you control their posts? No.

Do you condone their words?

("I guess there is just something about us liberals that !@#$%^ everyone off!")

It would certainly seem that way.

You have managed to make yourself look quite hypocritical, Julian. "

lol it soesn't mean I condone anything otherwise I never would have written the letter, the catholic thing was a comparison which unfortunately had to sink me a level to make, I did refer to us liberals but still it is not an issue that simply crosses those borders "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:45 PM:

" in a way some "youth" are more experienced than people who aren't youth, the availability of media has abled the "youth" to be as up to date and to learn faster all though I still prefer not to use such enhancers "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:48 PM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Mar 10, 2009 6:58 AM:
" Not sure why it's kinda funny that even McCain's daughter thinks the Republicans are 'outta touch.' Many in the party feel that way about the Republican leadership. So what? Means we're able to think for ourselves unlike the sheep on the left
like HP who came up with some sort of wacko excuse why Obama's complete reliance on a teleprompter is so much better than using note cards or actually looking at people. That one was a real stretch. "

lol think for yourselves or obey rush limbaugh you tell me lol, what it means is that his own daughter sees the errors and the old fashioned ways of the party which no longer are applicable to this society, if McCain were in office we'd already be picking fights with Iran and Korea in an imperialistic attempt to control who has weapons on this planet, there are plenty of unstable people in this country with weapons, either way it means nothing of who thinks for themselves but simply that the republican party has officially outdated itself "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:51 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 8:25 AM:
" (injustice85 - "kinda funny how McCains own daughter thinks the republicans are outta touch")

It would be even funnier if Conservatives were to actually give any serious consideration at all to the opinions of the 23-year-old, socially liberal, John Kerry voting daughter of a Democrat posing as a Republican Senator.

McCain epitomizes all that is wrong with the Republican Party. So why on earth would anyone consider the Liberal daughter of the failed "Moderate" Presidential Candidate "in touch"? "

because it is his daughter and supposedly she didn't even vote for him, the same reason anyone would consider your opinion relevant, what is your past in politics? I think it is hilarious for one and two I don't see McCain saying a whole lot about what is wrong with his party as much as I do see him continuing its corrupt and corporate occupied ways "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:53 PM:

" Rotty wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:56 AM:
" Every crowd has a silver lining.

- P.T. Barnum "

and every silver lining has a touch of grey, good follow up Rotty "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:58 PM:

" BLUEDOG, we never got to my religion issue so I ask you this, the Bible says that women aren't allowed to speak at church, they are property of their men which if that was true then I suppose abortion would be mans final decision or whatever so is that something of the Bible to be taken literally or do we just choose the parts we like? Is it possible that the Bible was put here by God to test us, test how naive we are, we are molded after his image and we question so I imagine he would, is it possible that the Bible does mean squat? either way I am still very religious, churches bother me because of how they act and ask for money which I understand is needed but the last church I went to kept asking for more and then the preacher stated that homosexuals had no place in his church which was the final straw for me, I'm not homosexual but I feel every one even sinners are welcome at church, I also don't see homosexuality as a sin but the same preacher let women talk in his church so what is the bible to people really? convenient? Just wanted your opinion on this grey area "

just watching wrote on Mar 10, 2009 3:01 PM:

" ive never seen such a bunch of insensitive twitters in my life.Doent anybody care about Benjis post march 9-at 1207 am? hes i mean his mom is crying out for help for him and no one wants to share so i will be the first to jesture and offer him some of my old girlie mags. so his mom will quit forcing those old lady pics on him. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 3:23 PM:

" ya know being such a close family and all I would imagine that McCain's daughter knows his policies and positions very well and still didn't vote for them, that is why it means something, and if she doesn't know his positions and policies then maybe they aren't the "close" family they pretended to be, her points are as valid as anyones "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 3:34 PM:

" ... Means we're able to think for ourselves unlike the sheep on the left
like HP who came up with some sort of wacko excuse why Obama's complete reliance on a teleprompter is so much better than using note cards or actually looking at people. That one was a real stretch. "

Sorry RWB, I was merely repoting what I saw on one of the wire services. Hey, I report, you decide. I realize it doesn't fit your ditto head view on the topic. "

Rotty wrote on Mar 10, 2009 4:33 PM:

" Thanks, nj
lol
:-) "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 4:34 PM:

" I believe in a contextual interpretation of the Bible. With every reading one needs to consider the essential elements of context for any particular passage: Who is the author? Who is the audience? What were the conditions at the time i.e. historical period, society, customs. Does the verse(s) have references and relevance to related passages?

My opposition to abortion is more philosophical/logical than it is Biblical. Frankly, the Bible doesn't really address the issue in a straight forward manner.

Likewise my slow movement away from Atheism was really not Biblically based, either. It was also more of a philosophical dilemma bordering on mysticism.

So why are you religious in the first place, Julian? "

The Question wrote on Mar 10, 2009 5:09 PM:

" Author and former Republican Frank Schaeffer said, "You Republicans are the arsonists who burned down our national home. You combined the failed ideologies of the Religious Right, so-called free market deregulation and the Neoconservative love of war to light a fire that has consumed America. Now you have the nerve to criticize the architect America just hired -- President Obama -- to rebuild from the ashes. You do nothing constructive, just try to hinder the one person willing and able to fix the mess you created."
"The worsening economic situation is your fault and your fault alone. The Republicans created this mess through eight years of backing the worst president in our history and now, because you put partisan ideology ahead of the good of our country, you have blown your last chance to redeem yourselves. You deserve the banishment to the political wilderness that awaits all traitors."
At long last, an honest Republican. Well, an ex-Republican, which amounts to the same thing. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 5:15 PM:

" (injustice85 - "because it is his daughter and supposedly she didn't even vote for him, the same reason anyone would consider your opinion relevant, what is your past in politics?")

McCain's only relevance to the Republican Party is his strategy on how to lose an election.

McCain is irrelevant. And his daughter is even more irrelevant than him.

And my opinion, along with everyone else's in here, is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of all things political.

All of us suffer from the same delusion: we simply believe our voices are important enough to be heard. They're really not.

Admit it nj, you're really fascinated with Megan McCain.....because she's totally hot.

Fess up now, lad. "

The Question wrote on Mar 10, 2009 5:28 PM:

" Heres how the U.S. "honors and respects" its troops.
The Pentagon endangered U.S. soldiers by implementing and covering up dangerously toxic waste-incineration practices at Balad Airbase in Iraq during years past, as revealed in a leaked Air Force memo.
But maybe that's just one of those "gray areas," eh? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 5:49 PM:

" Yes, your sudden heartfelt concern for the troops who you've referred to in the past as torturers and murderers is quite touching, Question.

So tell us Question, why is your Messiah (Barrack Hussein Obama) leaving those evil combat troops in Iraq well into 2011 and (as we all know) well beyond? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 6:08 PM:

" GREAT NEWS: DEMOCRATS ALREADY GEARING UP FOR SECOND STIMULUS

THE HILL (March 10 2009) "We are going to need more taxpayer money," Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moodys Economy.com and a key economic adviser to congressional Democrats, said after the meeting. "I think another stimulus package is a reasonable assumption because of the way things are going."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), standing with members of her leadership team by Zandis side, said she agreed that another stimulus bill is being considered.

"We have to keep the door open," Pelosi said. "The word of the day is confidence. Confidence in our markets, confidence in lending, confidence in our financial institutions."

++++++++

Uhm.....Im confused.

We were assured, that the first Porkulus "created or saved" three million jobs.

Do we need to create or save those jobs again so soon or will this new bill be creating or saving more?

Democrats are definitely going to need more Rush Limbaugh material to create a smoke screen thick enough for this new piece of taxpayer rape. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 6:30 PM:

" Okay.

I dare you to watch this and NOT laugh.

The latest YouTube favorite:

Flatulence Interrupts City Council

VIDEO: http://tinyurl.com/d8zd3r

The sad thing is they got more done in that Clip than the Entire US Congress did today. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:18 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 4:34 PM:

" I believe in a contextual interpretation of the Bible. With every reading one needs to consider the essential elements of context for any particular passage: Who is the author? Who is the audience? What were the conditions at the time i.e. historical period, society, customs. Does the verse(s) have references and relevance to related passages?

My opposition to abortion is more philosophical/logical than it is Biblical. Frankly, the Bible doesn't really address the issue in a straight forward manner.

Likewise my slow movement away from Atheism was really not Biblically based, either. It was also more of a philosophical dilemma bordering on mysticism.

So why are you religious in the first place, Julian? "

I feel like I have seen God's miracles, I feel God, I feel I have an understanding with GOd, it is unexplainable beyond that, I don't understand the time context issue of the Bible though, it doesn't seem like God would leave the future hanging, the prophets laid claim to visions and what not and said they came from God or a few of them at least yet many could have claimed something like that, I believe in God fully but the Bible just doesn't strike me as completely how he works, i understand parts of it but then other parts blow my mind, and sometimes it contradicts itself, i shouldn't have tied abortion into it really but you understand where I'm going with it anyways "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:20 PM:

" Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., is actually the second-biggest earmarker, according to the list, with 64 earmarks worth $114 million. Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., is a few notches down, with 65 earmarks worth $76 million.

Both are expected to support the omnibus bill -- along with Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe, who has zero earmarks.

FOX news-

Oh my, how do you spell hypocrite? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:23 PM:

" It looks like Ron Paul managed to put 73 millions in pork for his district. So much for fiscal conservatism. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:23 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 5:15 PM:

" (injustice85 - "because it is his daughter and supposedly she didn't even vote for him, the same reason anyone would consider your opinion relevant, what is your past in politics?")

McCain's only relevance to the Republican Party is his strategy on how to lose an election.

McCain is irrelevant. And his daughter is even more irrelevant than him.

And my opinion, along with everyone else's in here, is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of all things political.

All of us suffer from the same delusion: we simply believe our voices are important enough to be heard. They're really not.

Admit it nj, you're really fascinated with Megan McCain.....because she's totally hot.

Fess up now, lad. "

lol can't say that I am Bluedog lol, I'm not exactly shallow enough to go for "hot" if you know what I mean, but your right though our voices aren't heard that is why I believe in action, I don't know where exactly I'm headed but it for sure won't be useless, we need action in this world and really just the community for starters, that is why I think we should have the bloggers get together, we can work to find similarities and we can see what we can do for this community together instead of "blogging" about "out-of- reach" issues constantly, we have the energy that is for sure lol so why not? do you agree at all or does it sound beyond possibility "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:25 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 10, 2009 5:49 PM:

" Yes, your sudden heartfelt concern for the troops who you've referred to in the past as torturers and murderers is quite touching, Question.

So tell us Question, why is your Messiah (Barrack Hussein Obama) leaving those evil combat troops in Iraq well into 2011 and (as we all know) well beyond? "

I would like to think he is cleaning up a mess but I'm not going to bet on anything yet lol "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:33 PM:

" I think I've finally figured out why some of the right wingers are so upset. Obama inherited a record surplus and in just a matter of a few weeks has totally blown it. Bush left the country in good financial standing so they are right to be upset with Obama for running the country into the ground. I say shame on Obama and bring back the Bush/Cheney team to return us to the glorious days surrounding the Bush exodus. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:51 PM:

" In the hard to believe category, the sleaze ball Bill O'Reilly did a feature on phone sex tonight. Unbelievable. Just a few short months ago we were reading that Billo the clown paid an out of court settlement for his own involvement with a phone sex issue, and having to pay for forcing a subordanant into going along with his perverted fantasies. Watching that hypocrite get all indignant over this issue, was quite a hoot. Oh yeah Tommy, thank God for Fox. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:55 PM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM:
" ......what else do we not have money for eddie???....you pick some. "

Ok, I'll bite.

819k Catfish genome testing, $1.7 million for pig odor research, $6.6 million for termite research, $2.1 million for Grape Genetics, 200k for a tattoo removal. Should I go on? "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 8:10 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:20 PM:
" Oh my, how do you spell hypocrite? "

O-B-A-M-A...

What were those quotes about changing Washington, no more earmarks, going through the budget line by line? Since you seem to watch FOX so much, maybe you could get them for us Harry.

Oh yeah, what was it TQ said about people who watch FOX too? "

unknownjoe wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:09 PM:

" 4 legs goood, two legs baaahd, or is it 4 legs good, 2 legs better? "

oldschool wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:26 PM:

" "Potter" If this helps...I can't stand O'Reilly...period. He is not a conservative..period. Your points on the phone sex story and his own troubles are right on. But, one more time.....O'Reilly is not a conservative. We wouldn't let a guy with no ideals or principles to speak of represent us. O'Reilly is the king of damning the obvious. He, does not believe a word he says half the time. What a blow hard!!

I have assumed the position Potter, Let me have it!! Sorry to burst you bubble regarding O'Rielly....who cares? "

ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:39 PM:

" from fox

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly requested military aircraft to shuttle her and her colleagues and family around the country, according to a new report from a conservative watchdog group.

Representatives for Judicial Watch, which obtained e-mails and other documents from a Freedom of Information request, said the correspondence shows Pelosi has abused the system in place to accommodate congressional leaders and treated the Air Force as her "personal airline."

...Judicial Watch said that Pelosi was notorious for making special demands for high-end aircraft, lodging last-minute cancellations and racking up additional expenses for the military.

"I think that's above and beyond what other members of Congress are doing and what is expected of our elected officials," said Jenny Small, a researcher with the group.

In one e-mail, aide Kay King complained to the military that they had not made available any aircraft the House speaker wanted for Memorial Day recess.

"It is my understanding there are NO G5s available for the House during the Memorial Day recess. This is totally unacceptable ... The Speaker will want to know where the planes are," King wrote.

In another, when told a certain type of aircraft would not be available, King wrote: "This is not good news, and we will have some very disappointed folks, as well as a very upset Speaker."

Pelosi spokesman Nadeam Elshami said the report seemed to be based on only "a few e-mails," and defended the requests for military aircraft for her colleagues as a "function of the speaker's office." Elshami said at least one of the requests in the above e-mails referenced requests made for other members.

Pelosi's office noted that the Department of Defense ultimately makes all decisions on use of military aircraft for travel, and that Pelosi is "extraordinarily appreciative" of the department's effort to accommodate Congress.

Business as usual in Washington "

what? wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:35 PM:

" injustice85. concerning your post Mar. 8, 11:15 AM. I've missed something. I thought Cristians worshipped the God of Abraham, via His only begotten son of course. Heaven or hell is as black and white as it gets. To gain your ends by creating fear is the definition of terrorism. Those who fear the terrible obey. Ignorance is subjective I suppose. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 12:52 AM:

" " For one I am proud to say I am a socialist. This world and our education system has brain washed us into connecting socialism (the economic side of communism) to the Totalitarianism. Communism isn't what the Soviet Republics turned into. We need to support the working class, the 97% of our countries wealth is owned by one percent of the country, the Aristrocracy. Also my friend may respect the troops (talking in reference to injustice) but they are knowing pawns. I respect that they are working folk, but they are part of a system of control. The spread of "Democracy" (We are a democratic republic, the closest democracy was Athens, Greece in antiquity times and that wasn't even a true one because women and slaves couldn't vote) is just like the spread of Communism or Facism(which we are becoming). You can't force "Democracy" down peoples throat it must come from the people themselves as I'm sure Thomas Paine would agree. Freedom isn't handed to us, we are born with it. To protect that freedom is direct action, like blogging, the passing of information through communication. We aren't even close to a socialist economy by the way. In closing, I love this land and its people but I would gladly like to see its government fall. "Question Authority, Question Reality, Question Religion, Question Yourself (from a book called Hardcore Zen)" "

I decided to repost and perhaps dumb it down, because it seems that people rather attack injustice for stating the fact with retoric.

Again I am proud to be a socialist. So trust me we are no where near or will be near a true socialist economy. For us to become such a society we must get rid of the want for profit and expoltation. Whether you think taxing corperations is not supporting "capitalism" Barack is a support of capitalism.
Here's the grey area, small buisness is capitalism, to which I support. Its major Buisness and corperations that should turn into worker controlled companies that vote on management and those in that are promoted are given a small pay increase for motivation. Those small buisness should be prevented from franchising out or be tax 60% to prevent domination and increase competition thus capitalism.
Our youth (including me at 22) do need to work harder, but also life should be all about work and profit. We need to pay attention to intellectual things instead of MTV and Paris Hilton.

Our wars of economic imperialism need to stop. The war to spread "democracy" (realize we are not a democracy, we are a Democratic Republic) is wrong, it is just has bad as the spread of facism and "communism" (realize it never was true comunism). Democracy comes from the people. We are born with liberty, no one gives it to us they take it away. To protect it is not war, but direct action. We are traveling down a road to Facism, the whole world is. Again I love this land and its people but our government can fall. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 12:54 AM:

" " Traditions are good and bad (again grey areas) Good on the basis of unity of a family unit or friendship. Yet, traditions of the Catholic Church have led to xeonphobia which is bad. Traditions can lead to conditioning, conditioning being the automatic action of a tradition. Basically doing it and not fully realizing it. Conditioning can lead to an almost instinctual, genetical enginered thought process. This leads to xeonophobia, fear of change or new things. Religions fighting each other over issues that really lead to fear. The Christians, Muslims, and Jewish people are all the same religion, especially Islam and Judiasim which are only difference by a legitimate son of Abraham. All these religions stories tie together, almost all have a story of a flood. its fear that makes tradition bad. " "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:36 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:33 PM:

" I think I've finally figured out why some of the right wingers are so upset. Obama inherited a record surplus and in just a matter of a few weeks has totally blown it. Bush left the country in good financial standing so they are right to be upset with Obama for running the country into the ground. I say shame on Obama and bring back the Bush/Cheney team to return us to the glorious days surrounding the Bush exodus. "

right lol...people seem to forget if Bush had done his job the right way Obama's wouldn't be as difficult as it is, same goes for this little war thingy going on lol, Bush sheepishly sent us in to Iraq and then discovered that there never was a real reason but good old Dick Cheney had his eye on the prize and thought hey we could stand to profit from this so why not? If you ask me they never really ran the country or cared about it, men like that wear their pockets on their sleeves, Obama may be becoming a hypocrite but as of now that is a billion times better than what Bush has done to this country, I can only imagine where we'd be right now if McCain and old mooseburgers were in charge, I'd have to say we at least picked the better of the two "politicians" "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:42 AM:

" ED MILLER WROTE: Many people have a problem with their tax money going to something against their religious beliefs. The left raised a stink about the government helping religious charities, even though they can help poor people much for efficiently than the government. Besides since the liberals think the religious people are nothing but rich Republicans, it will be their taxes paying for 80% of it anyway. "

the poor people need help first anyway, charity starts here Ed, not in another foreign based religious fund that God knows where the money really goes, at least someone is being fed knowingly this way, if we knew half of where our tax money actually went I'm sure we'd all be stomping about, how about where they go in this community for instance, maybe a million dollars for a fence around the airport, or perhaps to fix up buildings already in working condition "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:46 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 8:10 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:20 PM:
" Oh my, how do you spell hypocrite? "

O-B-A-M-A...

What were those quotes about changing Washington, no more earmarks, going through the budget line by line? Since you seem to watch FOX so much, maybe you could get them for us Harry.

Oh yeah, what was it TQ said about people who watch FOX too? "

is that the best you've got on Obama Ed? I'd rather a liar in office than a dumb!@@ lol, Who knows Obama could turn out to be both but c'mon he really hasn't been that bad so far, whatever happened to giving someone a chance, might as well I suppose we really don't have a choice for a few years, either way people are still getting hissy about the same issues year after year that never change, abortion, gun control whatever I mean who cares anymore it is all propaganda at this point, the economy I mean what is he or anyone really going to do to fix it "

The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 6:56 AM:

" The government denounces people who oppose immoral invasions by saying that they don't "support the troops." In the meanwhile, the government poisons and electrocutes those same troops.
But maybe that's all just one of those "gray areas." Maybe the troops like being poisoned by toxic waste incinerators and electrocuted in their showers. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:58 AM:

" Have you considered a pay-day loan company, Tom? lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:17 AM:

" I have assumed the position Potter, Let me have it!! Sorry to burst you bubble regarding O'Rielly....who cares? "

Well, OK since you asked.

O'Reilly not a conservative? Yeah right. He carried water for the Bush administration for 8 years, and now leads the pack going after Obama.

Apparently you never watch him, huh?

You may be embarrassed that this pervert in a cheerleader for your team, but make no mistake about it he's a right winger deluxe. And like Limbaugh, I think he believes all that horse manure he spreads.

Are you just as embarrassed over two of your other prominent cheerleaders, Limbaugh and Coulter?

Anyway, thanks for the early AM laugh. "

The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:26 AM:

" Look, Republicans have two standards of information and news. They have the real information, which must remain secret so that they can use it to line their pockets and/or to gain power. And then they have public information, which is propaganda designed to fleece the rubes. "

The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:40 AM:

" Anyone heard any recent calls for that great Republican idea, Social Security stock market accounts? "

father bob wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:28 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 10, 2009 7:55 PM:
" father bob wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM:
"19k Catfish genome testing, $1.7 million for pig odor research, $6.6 million for termite research, $2.1 million for Grape Genetics, 200k for a tattoo removal. Should I go on? """""

yeah, too bad the republicans tagged all these on Bush's watch. this spending bill the bush administration introduced is rife with earmarks.....but that doesn't answer my questions about what programs you want to cut.

just answer my question eddie. is it NASA and the mars mission? why do we need a few hundred billion to be wasted on space exploration? or why do we need to subsidize farming? or why an iraq war...like i said pick some more programs to cut....not earmarks that are small research projects. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:30 AM:

" theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 12:52 AM:
" " For one I am proud to say I am a socialist.

Well, you must be ecstatic right about now. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:39 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:42 AM:
" the poor people need help first ... at least someone is being fed knowingly this way, if we knew half of where our tax money actually went I'm sure we'd all be stomping about"

We do know where our tax money is going nj, it's going to fund things like catfish genome testing. Religious and non-religious charities are helping poor people. Why do we need the government to force it on the wealthier citizens. If you raise their taxes, they will not give as much and the private organizations help the poor much more efficiently than the government. Look at New Orleans and compare habitat for humanity with the feds.

How is it fair to expect any citizen to give a larger percentage of their income? Obama's taxes on carbon emissions and small businesses will hurt lower income people much worse than he knows. In addition, racking up trillions of dollars in new debt will severely impact our children and grandchildren for many years. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:43 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:46 AM:
" is that the best you've got on Obama Ed?"

No, I have posted better, but it seems the liberals here would rather talk about Rush Limbaugh then try to defend their messiah.

"I'd rather a liar in office than a dumb!@@"

I'm glad you have set your standards that low. Maybe you won't be disappointed then.

"Who knows Obama could turn out to be both but c'mon he really hasn't been that bad so far."

Tell that to the investors. "

K.S. wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:00 AM:

" The first time I read this letter to the editor, I thought it was a very good letter, pointing out that we all need room for compromise in our lives (I think most Americans would agree). I'm starting to wonder if the purpose of writing this letter was to ignite the ire of the resident wackos that patrol these blogs. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:04 AM:

" (Reuters) - President Barack Obama was hit by another embarrassment on Monday over one of his Cabinet nominees when it was revealed that his nominee to be U.S. trade representative, former Dallas Mayor Ron Kirk, also had tax problems.

I heard Obama was seen hanging out by Home Depot stores trying to hire new members for his cabinet. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:43 AM:

" (theproletariat87 - "All these religions stories tie together, almost all have a story of a flood. its fear that makes tradition bad.")

It's strange that you would forget to mention the fact that the historical record clearly shows that Atheism has TRADITIONALLY led to Regimes (you can parse the word Communist all you want), which in turn have spawned some of the most evil forms of atrocities ever unleashed upon humanity.

Yes, let us not peer into THAT glass house of tradition. Let us pretend instead that Atheism has no tradition.

Or better yet (and most predictable) let us parse the meaning of all the associated words of this debate until all meaning is reduced to a never ending sliding scale of pretentious and nuanced nonsense.

Yes, I've been here before......... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 12:22 PM:

" (K.S. - "I'm starting to wonder if the purpose of writing this letter was to ignite the ire of the resident wackos that patrol these blogs.")

Now that you mention it, I have noticed that the ire of Harry Potter, fatherbob, and The Question, does seem to be quite ignited.......... "

father bob wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:00 PM:

" K.S. wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:00 AM:
" I'm starting to wonder if the purpose of writing this letter was to ignite the ire of the resident wackos that patrol these blogs. """"

boy you got that right....eddie, dorthy, tommie and those honyocks jumped right in! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:06 PM:

" Sorry to burst you bubble regarding O'Rielly....who cares? "

Evidently you do, or you wouldn't have responded.

Got anymore Fox right wingers you want to denounce? How about the neurotic Glenn Beck or Sean Insannity. I guess they're not conservatives either. Hey how about the so called straight news guys on Fox like Carl Cameron and Wendell Goler, I suppose they're not conservatives either. Heck, even the guy who masterminds that bunch of fascist leaning morons, Roger Ailes is a certifiable right wing conservative, but I'm sure his views are never shown in any of the features that outfit airs, right old school? LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:11 PM:

" " (K.S. - "I'm starting to wonder if the purpose of writing this letter was to ignite the ire of the resident wackos that patrol these blogs.")

No K.S., the wackos like BDD and his faithful harem didn't need this letter to do that. Obama's election seemed to ignite their ire, thus all the venom they spew on here about him daily. LOL! "

oldschool wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:20 PM:

" Tickle...tickle..Harry, I do what I can! Glad I could provide a laugh or two to ya since your whole life has been a laughless, victimized, pile of steamy....well you know.

Laughter IS the best medicine Harry, and with Obama you and me will be laughing for a long time. I'm guessing for different reasons

Tickle tickle......Breathmint? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:20 PM:

" what? wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:35 PM:

" injustice85. concerning your post Mar. 8, 11:15 AM. I've missed something. I thought Cristians worshipped the God of Abraham, via His only begotten son of course. Heaven or hell is as black and white as it gets. To gain your ends by creating fear is the definition of terrorism. Those who fear the terrible obey. Ignorance is subjective I suppose. "

to reduce "God" to simply christianity is ignorance in its own WHAT?,by gaining your ends by creating fear are you referring to God in that statement and the fear he creates with the Bible or am I missing something here, by fearing the terrible and obeying perhaps you mean George Bush, clarify for me a little please and I can answer this better "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:25 PM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 6:56 AM:

" The government denounces people who oppose immoral invasions by saying that they don't "support the troops." In the meanwhile, the government poisons and electrocutes those same troops.
But maybe that's all just one of those "gray areas." Maybe the troops like being poisoned by toxic waste incinerators and electrocuted in their showers. "

I can tell you that some of the troops that I've met that have returned don't have much good to say about what is going on over there and also that we don't know half of what is being unsaid about the situation, On another note this whole Obama teleprompter thing is starting to get irritating, considering he does use a teleprompter or whatever at least we know he is that much more "literate" than George Bush was, I think the republican party is still hissing about how their last elected official sunk this country lower than ever and they want to let Obama have it as much as possible to attempt to save face, no matter how bad Obama gets, it will never be as bad as Bush or McCain "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:26 PM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:26 AM:

" Look, Republicans have two standards of information and news. They have the real information, which must remain secret so that they can use it to line their pockets and/or to gain power. And then they have public information, which is propaganda designed to fleece the rubes.

it's working lol "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:29 PM:

" ok first off I'm not estatic WE ARE NOT A SOCIALISTS STATE! I have been studying politics since i was little, the US and Europe aren't even close to socialism. We have aspects, but if we didn't then we'd have 1800's industrial society were capitalism ran ramptant, and still does but now they have to be discrete.

Bluedog and ed miller first off you didn't read the whole thing, neither of you did, if both of you did you would of saw that I stated we never have had a communist state in this world. The Soviet Empire and company was STATE CAPITALISM where the government becomes the new capitalist class, so yes it was evil.
Bluedog, I am not an atheist, I am a deist, like many many of our founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington shall I go on? We believe in a clock maker god, created the universe and left it alone.

Ben Franklin "It is better to have lighthouses than church houses" "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:32 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:39 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:42 AM:
" the poor people need help first ... at least someone is being fed knowingly this way, if we knew half of where our tax money actually went I'm sure we'd all be stomping about"

We do know where our tax money is going nj, it's going to fund things like catfish genome testing. Religious and non-religious charities are helping poor people. Why do we need the government to force it on the wealthier citizens. If you raise their taxes, they will not give as much and the private organizations help the poor much more efficiently than the government. Look at New Orleans and compare habitat for humanity with the feds.

How is it fair to expect any citizen to give a larger percentage of their income? Obama's taxes on carbon emissions and small businesses will hurt lower income people much worse than he knows. In addition, racking up trillions of dollars in new debt will severely impact our children and grandchildren for many years. "

HA! Hate to break it to you Ed but if you had a clue you'd know that the rich people of America aren't the top donaters of the country, the poor people give more than the rich Ed, as for the taxes well you do have to spend money to boost the economy, all this saving will go nowhere, as for the businesses...they are failing as it is, tax increases will help this economy in the long run "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:38 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:43 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:46 AM:
" is that the best you've got on Obama Ed?"

No, I have posted better, but it seems the liberals here would rather talk about Rush Limbaugh then try to defend their messiah.

"I'd rather a liar in office than a dumb!@@"

I'm glad you have set your standards that low. Maybe you won't be disappointed then.

"Who knows Obama could turn out to be both but c'mon he really hasn't been that bad so far."

Tell that to the investors. "

Got money on your mind ED? lol like I said it doesn't matter how angry you get about Obama changing positions which is more towards your side anyway, no matter how bad he gets he won't top the reign of pity Bush bestowed on this country, I bet you voted for Bushy too huh? your sour ED it's ok I would be too if I had voted for him, you want a dumb!@@ in office Ed, we've seen what they can do already, why don't we try one with a brain, I mean seriously ED Obama isn't half as bad as you think he is, he could be eventually who knows but your whining ED it is pitiful, your party messed up the country get over it already "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:40 PM:

" K.S. wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:00 AM:

" The first time I read this letter to the editor, I thought it was a very good letter, pointing out that we all need room for compromise in our lives (I think most Americans would agree). I'm starting to wonder if the purpose of writing this letter was to ignite the ire of the resident wackos that patrol these blogs. "

not my intentions K.S. they get all worked up on their own, my intentions were for more respectful blogging and more action than words, I don't think everyone fully got it though "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:41 PM:

" Relating to an article about a bunch of air head wackos wanting to start a draft Palin movement, an astute blogging said this:

If the Repubs want to nominate someone whose bra size is bigger than their IQ, then fine, let them. I just don't see Limbaugh winning!

Ouch! "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:45 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:43 AM:

" (theproletariat87 - "All these religions stories tie together, almost all have a story of a flood. its fear that makes tradition bad.")

It's strange that you would forget to mention the fact that the historical record clearly shows that Atheism has TRADITIONALLY led to Regimes (you can parse the word Communist all you want), which in turn have spawned some of the most evil forms of atrocities ever unleashed upon humanity.

Yes, let us not peer into THAT glass house of tradition. Let us pretend instead that Atheism has no tradition.

Or better yet (and most predictable) let us parse the meaning of all the associated words of this debate until all meaning is reduced to a never ending sliding scale of pretentious and nuanced nonsense.

Yes, I've been here before......... "

define atrocities lol, catholic preists have molested so many children, that is more of an atrocity than anything to me, atheism may have its traditions or whatever but christianity definetely hasn't shown much more of a better side, really you can't even boil all that down to religion anyway as opposed to certain people, there are many good atheists and many good christians, and plenty of bad ones on both sides "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:47 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 12:22 PM:

" (K.S. - "I'm starting to wonder if the purpose of writing this letter was to ignite the ire of the resident wackos that patrol these blogs.")

Now that you mention it, I have noticed that the ire of Harry Potter, fatherbob, and The Question, does seem to be quite ignited.......... "

now now lol, don't forget it was Tom I believe who threw the first out-of-line stone here lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:57 PM:

" what? wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:35 PM:

" injustice85. concerning your post Mar. 8, 11:15 AM. I've missed something. I thought Cristians worshipped the God of Abraham, via His only begotten son of course. Heaven or hell is as black and white as it gets. To gain your ends by creating fear is the definition of terrorism. Those who fear the terrible obey. Ignorance is subjective I suppose. "

upon second glance I see what you are saying here WHAT, I think i took it the wrong way the first time as well but I definetely see what your saying, I'm kinda shocked at myself for not agreeing the first time lol must skipped through it too fast "

red,white,blue wrote on Mar 11, 2009 2:27 PM:

" Got quite a good laugh out of seeing jumpin' jack Pelosi hopping up an down at Obama's state of the un-union speech especially when he mentioned CEOs traveling on their private planes and how THEY are going to put a stop to that. But I guess it's not hypocritical of Madame Speaker because she's demanding government planes. Heaven forbid that she tap into any of her own millions to pay for her trips. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:16 PM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Mar 11, 2009 2:27 PM:

" Got quite a good laugh out of seeing jumpin' jack Pelosi hopping up an down at Obama's state of the un-union speech especially when he mentioned CEOs traveling on their private planes and how THEY are going to put a stop to that.

If watching people hopping up and down gets you so excited, granny, you must have been in hog heaven watching the flab fly around when the old bloated drug addict Limpbaughs was hopping up and down at the wing nut get together last week end huh, granny?

But seriously, it was good to see you getting excited about something. Usually the wing nuts on here are all mad and whining about something. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:32 PM:

" (theproletariat87 - "Bluedog and ed miller first off you didn't read the whole thing, neither of you did, if both of you did you would of saw that I stated we never have had a communist state in this world. The Soviet Empire and company was STATE CAPITALISM where the government becomes the new capitalist class, so yes it was evil.")

Apparently theproletariat87, you didn't understand when I stated: "you can parse the word Communist all you want"

(theproletariat87 - "Bluedog, I am not an atheist, I am a deist, like many many of our founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, George Washington shall I go on? We believe in a clock maker god, created the universe and left it alone.")

Alow me to go on theproletariat87:

First of all, I never said you were an Atheist. I was merely pointing out that the greatest traditional evil has been perpatrated by Atheism NOT religion.

Secondly, some words from our Founding Fathers:

Benjiman Franklin:
"God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

George Washington:
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.

"What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ. [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here. [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

John Adams:
"The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

Alexander Hamilton:
July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, "I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.

James Madison:
"Weve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. Weve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacityto sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God. [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

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Shall I go on theproletariat87? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:34 PM:

" Laughter IS the best medicine Harry, and with Obama you and me will be laughing for a long time. I'm guessing for different reasons

Well you could have fooled me. Your constant whining bears no resemblance to anything laughable. You sound like a very bitter and angry person, old school. In fact all of you right wingers posting on here sound angry and bitter, especially RWB. Wow, what an unhappy person. All of you must be a barrel of laughs at any sort of social gathering.

Oh, and as far as being a victim, I'm not the one whining about how bad everything is for me. You must be taking from personal experience. Actually, I'm in pretty good shape all around, probably better off financially than any of the trailer park Republicans that post on here. And only work on part time basis, and under my terms. Can you say that?

Any tears from you over my life style would probably be of the green variety. LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:39 PM:

" (injustice85 - "define atrocities lol, catholic preists have molested so many children, that is more of an atrocity than anything to me, atheism may have its traditions or whatever")

The priest who molested children were NOT carrying out Church doctrine, they were DEFYING it.

And I'll be glad to define Atheistic atrocities for you, nj:

-Rape

-Torture

-Murder

-Genocide

All committed by Atheistic Regimes throughout history, on a scale that far surpasses the evils committed by religion. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:46 PM:

" Oh and nj, the Catholic priests who perpetrated the sexual crimes against children, were a direct result of the Church's LIBERAL practice of allowing homosexuals into the priesthood for several generations prior. A practice I might add, that has been abolished by the new Pope.

So while you're singling out the moral failings of Catholicism, be sure to include the moral failures of the Church's Liberal policies while you're at it. lol "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:53 PM:

" (injustice85 - "tax increases will help this economy in the long run")

uhm....no they won't nj.

Keynesian economics have never worked. "

The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:54 PM:

" The fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives that conservatives never like to address, or even think about, is this: liberals, however misguided they may be at times, actually are concerned about people's general welfare. Conservatives, however competent they may be at times, actually are not. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:57 PM:

" (Harry Potter - "Usually the wing nuts on here are all mad and whining about something.")

Yes, you Liberals are a whiney lot, aren't you Harry. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 4:17 PM:

" A significant influence on the Founding Fathers was the British Philosopher John Locke. A man who apparently believed in the inerrancy of the Bible:

"The holy scripture is to me, and always will be, the constant guide of my assent; and I shall always hearken to it, as containing infallible truth, relating to things of the highest concernment. And I wish I could say, there were no mysteries in it: I acknowledge there are to me, and I fear always will be. But where I want the evidence of things, there yet is ground enough for me to believe, because God has said it: and I shall presently condemn and quit any opinion of mine, as soon as I am shown that it is contrary to any revelation in the holy scripture. But I must confess to your lordship, that I do not perceive any such contrariety in any thing in my Essay of Human Understanding."

-John Locke "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 4:26 PM:

" Yes of course, Question.

All those Conservative Christians who give generously to charitable causes don't really care a stitch about other people's general welfare, do they.

Here's the real difference between Conservatives and Liberals:

Conservatives use their own money to contribute to the general welfare of others.

Liberals use other peoples tax money when they CLAIM they are concerned about the general welfare of others. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 4:32 PM:

" Oh Lord save us, he's wearing his religion on his shoulder again. This is just the sort of thing that gets Jon V. crawling out of the woodwork. "

oldschool wrote on Mar 11, 2009 4:38 PM:

" "Potter"...you really hurt my feelings on that last blog.....hold on a minute...(searching for a tissue)...anyway, I'm very happy you are doing well Potter, ...can you spare a few dollars for a hard workin conservative?.....Don't really need it...just want it......Please?? "

father bob wrote on Mar 11, 2009 4:53 PM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:54 PM:
" The fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives that conservatives never like to address, or even think about, is this: liberals, however misguided they may be at times, actually are concerned about people's general welfare. Conservatives, however competent they may be at times, actually are not. """"

pretty much nails it....and is prevalent throughout the past 50 years. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 6:38 PM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:28 AM:
" just answer my question eddie. is it NASA and the mars mission? why do we need a few hundred billion to be wasted on space exploration? or why do we need to subsidize farming? or why an iraq war...like i said pick some more programs to cut....not earmarks that are small research projects. "

So how is funding controversial medical research more like national defense or NASA, and not like an earmark? We are in a bad recession and the government is spending money like drunken Kennedy's. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 6:57 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:32 PM:
" HA! Hate to break it to you Ed but if you had a clue you'd know that the rich people of America aren't the top donaters of the country"

You didn't post anything to back that up, but all I know is hearing the charities complain that when taxes go up on the rich, their donations drop accordingly.

"as for the businesses...they are failing as it is"

Small businesses are not all failing. They will just deal with the tax increases by laying off workers or raising prices. Both of which will probably cost the government more in the long run than they got from the tax increase.

"tax increases will help this economy in the long run "

Yeah, that's what Hoover said. How did that turn out?

"your party messed up the country get over it already "

Hate to burst your bubble but I'm a Libertarian. YOUR party has been in charge since 2006, when they took over by lying about getting out of Iraq. Then in 2008, your President got elected by lying about ending wasteful spending, earmarks, lobbyist influence, and changing Washington. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:11 PM:

" Potter, I noticed you had no comment on Pelosi using the Air Force as her private taxi. You seemed to have a lot to say about Sarah Palin getting per diem for her kids travel. I realize that you have been too busy ranting about Limbaugh, but that seems a little hypocritical don't you think? Funny how congress dogged on the automakers for taking corporate jets, but at least the taxpayers weren't paying for them (yet). "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:21 PM:

" We are in a bad recession and the government is spending money like drunken Kennedy's. "

Sorry eddie, but once again you got it wrong, I think you meant to say like the drunken budget busters, Reagan and George Bush. But that's OK were getting used to your "errors". LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:41 PM:

" Pelosi works for the federal government. Do you know for fact that she wasn't merely following a precedent set by those who proceeded her as Speaker of the House, such as Hastert and Gingrich, eddie? Do the Mooseburger's kids work for the state of Alaska? If you want to argue a point, fine, but your example is simply not an apple and oranges comparison. Once again you show your....uh...well, ignorance, eddie.

And for your claim to be a Libertarian, you seem to have an unusual need to defend Bush, who was a Republican the last time I checked. LOL! "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:11 PM:

" $1.8 million for "Swine Odor and Manure Management Research."
$200,000 for "Tattoo Removal Violence Prevention Outreach Program" to get rid of gang tattoos.
$75,000 for the "Totally Teen Zone" that encourages teenagers to play Wii and X-Box, listen to a DJ, and eat at a snack booth.
$473,000 National Council of LaRaza.
$400,000 "to combat bullying."
$50,000 for midnight basketball through the "At the Park After Dark" program in Los Angeles.
$5.8 Million for the "Ted Kennedy Institute for the Senate... for the planning and design of a building and an endowment."
$1.762 Million for "Honey Bee lab" research.
$215,000 for PhD's to learn to write press releases. It funds a program at "Stony Brook University to teach scientists how to communicate with press."
$1.5 Million for the scandal-ridden Alaska Sea Life Center to study seals.
$250,000 for Maine Lobster research earmarks.
$2 million for "the promotion of astronomy in Hawaii."
Senator Reid earmark to make "Nevada eligible for the Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund."
$4.4 million for "Center for Grape Genetics" & "Center for Advanced Viticulture and Tree Crop Research"
$657,000 for "Brown Tree Snake Management in Guam"
$480,000 for "Urban Horticulture"
$1.75 million for "Mammoth Springs National Fish Hatchery, complete visitor center."

when combined with the trillion dollar stimulus bill, Congress has just increased discretionary spending by 80% in one year. Bush could never come close to that.

And they advise us that more trillion dollar deficits and possibly more stimulus is on the way.

But don't worry about inflation, they have everything under control.

Don't worry about transparency either. Mr. "The Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At The Bill Online" Obama dishonestly characterized this bill as "the last administration's business" as an excuse to duck his campaign promise of no earmarks, and again ducks his campaign promise of legislative transparency. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:31 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:41 PM:
" Do [Palin's] kids work for the state of Alaska?"

Does Pelosi's family work for the government? Is Alaska trillions of dollars in debt? Is Palin demanding government assets that might be needed for the war effort?

I don't like to see any of our elected officials abusing their privileges. I'm not defending Palin. She needs to play by the same rules as everyone else. I just wanted to see if you would rush to defend Pelosi because she was a Democrat as I figured you would. "

The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:39 PM:

" Here's another gray area for you. Bristol Palin is splitting up with the father of her child, Levi Johnston. She never did marry him, of course, despite the lyin' assurances of the Winkin' Witch of Wasilla.
Two unmarried high school dropouts with a baby splitting up? Sad.
It was such a fairy-tale example of Republican family values. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:08 PM:

" How To Tell We Are In big Trouble
Larrey Anderson

France, Germany, and Italy are warning other Western governments not to follow in US Democrats' economic footsteps. They are urging other countries NOT to run up huge debts in an effort to stimulate the Western economy.

When France, Germany, and Italy are to the right of the United States something is wrong.

Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is urging the US Congress to keep the door open to yet more government debt, more deficit spending, and another bailout. This idea so unsound and far fetched that not even the French are buying it:

France, Germany and Italy, the eurozones three biggest countries, are anxious that the 16 countries sharing the euro should not run up ever-bigger budget deficits and public debt, potentially threatening the stability of the single currency area.

When the Democrats start making the French, Germans, and Italians, look like fiscal conservatives and miserly libertarians it is time to be afraid. Be very afraid. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:14 PM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:39 PM:
" Bristol Palin is splitting up with the father of her child, Levi Johnston.'

WHO CARES? "

Locke wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:33 PM:

" "A significant influence on the Founding Fathers was the British Philosopher John Locke. A man who apparently believed in the inerrancy of the Bible."

Unfortunately, Locke's religious influence on the Founding Fathers was to steer them toward deism and away from Christianity (the Bible!)

This is quite typical of the ignorant -- they equate everything as a zero sum game. They believe people, by the totality of everything they have ever stated, were either absolutely right or absolutely wrong. To them, Lincoln did nothing wrong. Bush never did anything right. You've heard it before from them. These are the people who think there are no gray areas.

To our Founding Fathers, Locke was a great political philosopher, but when it came to religion, men like Thomas Jefferson differed from Locke by drawing upon Locke's full body of works and critiquing the "Reasonableness of Christianity." "

The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:45 PM:

" To them, Lincoln did nothing wrong. Bush never did anything right.
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I for one would never claim that Bush did nothing right. Locke. After all, he destroyed the Republican Party. "

oldschool wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:50 PM:

" The Republican family value system works like this Mr."Question"....if and when a unplanned baby comes into the fold the Family rallies around the couple and offers as much love, help and support as needed. For as long as needed.

The Democratic system....."you go girl....heck,..have another one, we (government)will pay for as many as you want honey"

I'm really getting the feeling that you ..."The Question" have been smacked around your whole life..so sorry...kind of. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:56 PM:

" (Unfortunately, Locke's religious influence on the Founding Fathers was to steer them toward deism and away from Christianity (the Bible!)

Ah yes, the Founding Fathers were Deists. This is quite typical of the pretentious wanna-be Liberal Scholars.

Apparently the Founding Fathers were only "part-time" Deists with a considerable amount of "gray area" in their religious beliefs.

But lest we equate everything as a zero sum game (unless of course we wish to label them all as Deists) let us simply ignore these little gems:

James Madison- "We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. Weve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity...to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

George Washington - "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."

Patrick Henry - "It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

John Adams - "The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity... I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Benjamin Franklin - "God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel"
[Constitutional Convention of 1787] original manuscript of this speech

Alexander Hamilton (July 12, 1804 at his death) Hamilton said - "I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me."

John Hancock - "In circumstances as dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that whilst every prudent measure should be taken to ward off the impending judgments, ...at the same time all confidence must be withheld from the means we use; and reposed only on that God rules in the armies of Heaven, and without His whole blessing, the best human counsels are but foolishness...."

Patrick Henry (Last Will and Testament) - "This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed."

John Jay - "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

Noah Webster - "The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men."

"In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people."

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Yes indeed, these Founding Fathers were truly a strange variety of Deists, but apparently the CornFeild Scholar can pick and choose his own totality of their words for his own ignorant zero sum game. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:08 AM:

" Ok Bluedog got me with some primary resources I commend you. Yet, realize the politics of 18th century politics, of course none of them would denounce the "word" of God. Also though as beautiful as Locke's words are they are influenced by that logic. IN FACT one of his principles was against religion in government.
Yet, Bluedog, Injustice and I are friends, he being the moderate of the group of friends, with me making Nacy Pelosi look like Rush Limbaugh, but none the less I will work for equity between the owner and worker and complete control of our destiny to the people. Bush nor Obama cares about the common man, or at least Obama didn't after the primary. I voted, supported him but he is still a politician and is in power and will never earn my complete trust.
Funny thing is that most of my ideas must have struct a cord because most weren't commented on. Yet, hey if for my movement didn't have the oposite then it would never work, direct action takes people likes us constantly talking, informing, debating for a better society. Freedom is direct action, never granted to us, always defended by talking not always by guns (Look that even anarchists fought against facists during WWII). Again we fight, against it from the left in the form of coperate welfare or the right in the form of Aristocracy. The world is controlled by an elite. "

The Question wrote on Mar 12, 2009 7:05 AM:

" You know, theproletariat8, Thomas Jefferson took the trouble to rewrite the New Testament just so he could strip out all references to miracles and Jesus' supposed supernatural powers.
Why do you suppose he did that? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 AM:

" Hey fb, remember the time you posted an article and failed to cite your source? Our friend went ballistic and accused you of plagiarism . I seem to recall he carried on about that one for weeks.

I don't recall what name he was posting with back then. There have been so many.

So I'm sure all of the information included in his remarks posted at 10:56 last night was from memory.

Yup, no plagiarism there....lol! "

father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 AM:

" good article.....

The events of this period will probably be considered as epochal as the fall of the Berlin Wall. The notions that have guided American business for the past 30 yearsthat free markets are self-regulating, that unrestrained economic activity always leads to the greatest good, that markets are made up of rational actors, the whole Friedmanian megillahhas been exposed. Information is not freely available in our markets; diligent analysis requires too much time and expense for all but a very few and may not even be possible in a financial environment as vast and intricate as the one we have spawned. Wall Street, it turns out, had more lemmings than sharpies. Even the best and brightest bought into collateralized mortgage obligations, credit default swaps, and Madoffs pyramid scheme. For the foreseeable future, the certificate of deposit may remain the investment vehicle of choice for individuals, and Treasury bills with zero returns the best option for institutions.

Where we go from the post-Madoff, post-meltdown world is the very complicated question for which no one yet has answers. The Obama administration faces massive challenges, but also an extraordinary opportunity, because the assumptions underpinning the American economy have not been as open to restructuring since Franklin D. Roosevelt entered the White House. But one thing is clear: The market should not dictate policy. There remain only a few right-wing nuts who believe that the goal of all governmental activity should be to leave the market alone. Whatever the changes are, theyre likely to be salutary. And, irony being what it is, Bernie Madoff may be one of the guys we have to thank. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:39 PM:

" (injustice85 - "define atrocities lol, catholic preists have molested so many children, that is more of an atrocity than anything to me, atheism may have its traditions or whatever")

The priest who molested children were NOT carrying out Church doctrine, they were DEFYING it.

And I'll be glad to define Atheistic atrocities for you, nj:

-Rape

-Torture

-Murder

-Genocide

All committed by Atheistic Regimes throughout history, on a scale that far surpasses the evils committed by religion

...all of which occur by non atheists too, you can't limit those crimes to atheists "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:21 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:46 PM:

" Oh and nj, the Catholic priests who perpetrated the sexual crimes against children, were a direct result of the Church's LIBERAL practice of allowing homosexuals into the priesthood for several generations prior. A practice I might add, that has been abolished by the new Pope.

So while you're singling out the moral failings of Catholicism, be sure to include the moral failures of the Church's Liberal policies while you're at it. lol "

policies are irrelevant, many homosexuals control themselves everyday just fine, allowing them into the church is no excuse and judgemental "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:22 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:53 PM:

" (injustice85 - "tax increases will help this economy in the long run")

uhm....no they won't nj.

Keynesian economics have never worked. "

lol how so? you have to spend some to keep it flowing, every economic idea i have heard says that taxes should increase, and not just my cigarette taxes lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:23 AM:

" The Question wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:54 PM:

" The fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives that conservatives never like to address, or even think about, is this: liberals, however misguided they may be at times, actually are concerned about people's general welfare. Conservatives, however competent they may be at times, actually are not. "

exactly, they care about MONEY "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:24 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 4:26 PM:

" Yes of course, Question.

All those Conservative Christians who give generously to charitable causes don't really care a stitch about other people's general welfare, do they.

Here's the real difference between Conservatives and Liberals:

Conservatives use their own money to contribute to the general welfare of others.

Liberals use other peoples tax money when they CLAIM they are concerned about the general welfare of others. "

lol you must just donate like crazy, lol conservatives will take your money in fact they STEAL your money "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:28 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 11, 2009 6:57 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:32 PM:
" HA! Hate to break it to you Ed but if you had a clue you'd know that the rich people of America aren't the top donaters of the country"

You didn't post anything to back that up, but all I know is hearing the charities complain that when taxes go up on the rich, their donations drop accordingly.

"as for the businesses...they are failing as it is"

Small businesses are not all failing. They will just deal with the tax increases by laying off workers or raising prices. Both of which will probably cost the government more in the long run than they got from the tax increase.

"tax increases will help this economy in the long run "

Yeah, that's what Hoover said. How did that turn out?

"your party messed up the country get over it already "

Hate to burst your bubble but I'm a Libertarian. YOUR party has been in charge since 2006, when they took over by lying about getting out of Iraq. Then in 2008, your President got elected by lying about ending wasteful spending, earmarks

lol I know your so upset about all this Ed, Obama will find his bearings though, hopefully, like I said either way he hasn't proven to be worse than any president so far, and yes if you want proof I will locate it with more time but the poor give way more than the rich ever did, small businesses are failing Ed look at charleston alone, how many businesses have went under in the past 6 months? tax increases too the rich is what we mean here anyway about taxes so think about that a bit Ed, when did we ever see them "low"? "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:12 AM:

" I see that George Bush's number one cheerleader on this site has a new dodge, and is now claiming he's a Libertarian. I guess that he thinks that gives him a pass when the Republicans are criticised on here.

Sorry Edward, but I'm not buying your transparrant ruse. No true Libertarian would carry water for the Bush/Cheney regime like you've done for months on this very site.

But then again perhaps you really don't understand what the true Libertarian believes. Now that I can believe. LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:34 AM:

" (injustice85 - "...all of which occur by non atheists too, you can't limit those crimes to atheists")

Please read my words more carefully, nj. I never said these crimes were "limited" to Atheism. I said that they were committed on a scale that far surpassed those crimes committed by religion. Your interpretation of my words is amazingly black and white, nj.

("policies are irrelevant, many homosexuals control themselves everyday just fine, allowing them into the church is no excuse and judgemental")

Wrong. In matters of faith and doctrine, policies are paramount. The point of contention is not the acceptance of homosexuals into the Church (the Church welcomes them) but rather, into the Sacrament of Holy Orders. (i.e. the priesthood) If the Church has determined this to be the genesis of the problem, then so be it. After all, The Church IS IN the "Judgement" business, is it not? That is not only their sacred right, it is their sacred duty. You and I can either accept The Church or reject The Church. That is our freewill.

("lol how so? you have to spend some to keep it flowing, every economic idea i have heard says that taxes should increase, and not just my cigarette taxes lol")

Again nj, there is no historical evidence that Keynesian economics works, in fact their is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Keynes himself admitted that the only way his economic theory could ever work in a democracy was in the context of a unified war effort, such as WWII. But even then, the war was basically an extension of much of the economic sacrifice and hardships of The Great Depression.

("lol you must just donate like crazy, lol conservatives will take your money in fact they STEAL your money")

In one breath nj, you applaud the Liberal passion of taxing like crazy (i.e. legalized Government-theft) in another breath you make the oversimplified black and white statement that Conservatives will steal your money. Apparently in your black and white logic all CEO's = Conservative, dishonest and BAD! All Bureaucrats = Liberal, honest and GOOD! I think that would justify me to "lol". "

ed miller wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:34 AM:

" Economics 101 from Wiki

In economics, Hauser's Law states that in the United States, federal tax revenues will always be equal to approximately 19.5% of GDP, regardless of what the top marginal tax rate is.

The theory was first suggested in 1993 by Kurt Hauser, a San Francisco investment economist, who wrote at the time, "No matter what the tax rates have been, in postwar America tax revenues have remained at about 19.5% of GDP."

In a May 20, 2008 editorial, the Wall St. Journal published a graph showing that even though the top marginal tax rate of federal income tax had varied between a low of 28% to a high of 91% between 1950 and 2007, federal tax revenues had indeed constantly remained at about 19.5% of GDP. The graph can be seen here. (sorry no link)

The editorial went on to say, "His findings imply that there are draconian constraints on the ability of tax-rate increases to generate fresh revenues... Like science, economics advances as verifiable patterns are recognized and codified... The data show that the tax yield has been independent of marginal tax rates over this period, but tax revenue is directly proportional to GDP. So if we want to increase tax revenue, we need to increase GDP. What happens if we instead raise tax rates? Economists of all persuasions accept that a tax rate hike will reduce GDP, in which case Hauser's Law says it will also lower tax revenue... As Mr. Hauser said: 'Raising taxes encourages taxpayers to shift, hide and underreport income. . . . Higher taxes reduce the incentives to work, produce, invest and save, thereby dampening overall economic activity and job creation.' Putting it a different way, capital migrates away from regimes in which it is treated harshly, and toward regimes in which it is free to be invested profitably and safely. In this regard, the capital controlled by our richest citizens is especially tax-intolerant. The economics of taxation will be moribund until economists accept and explain Hauser's Law. For progress to be made, they will have to face up to it, reconcile it with other facts, and incorporate it within the body of accepted knowledge."

So if we tax the crap out of the rich like Obama wants to do, it will basically have no effect on actual income to the government and instead lower GNP. Hmmmm. Do you think racking up trillions in debt to pay for social agendas might be flawed logic as well? Just thinking.

Oh please go on some more about how Rush Limbaugh is ruining our country. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:36 AM:

" (Question - "You know, theproletariat8, Thomas Jefferson took the trouble to rewrite the New Testament just so he could strip out all references to miracles and Jesus' supposed supernatural powers.
Why do you suppose he did that?")

I never contested the assertion that Jefferson leaned predominantly towards Deism, now did I Question? No I didn't.

Oh and Harry? Regarding my 10:56 PM post, how on earth do you label those quotes as plagiarism when they are clearly attributed to their rightful owners? And I have never accused bob of plagiarism. I don't know who you keep confusing me with, but it's clearly an obsession of with you isn't it. "

The Question wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:40 AM:

" Oh, look, Ed's a PhD Wikiconomist! "

father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:52 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 AM:
" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:39 PM:

" (injustice85 - "define atrocities lol, catholic preists have molested so many children, that is more of an atrocity than anything to me, atheism may have its traditions or whatever")

The priest who molested children were NOT carrying out Church doctrine, they were DEFYING it.

And I'll be glad to define Atheistic atrocities for you, nj:

-Rape

-Torture

-Murder

-Genocide

All committed by Atheistic Regimes throughout history, on a scale that far surpasses the evils committed by religion

...all of which occur by non atheists too, you can't limit those crimes to atheists """""

you have to remember BDDorothy is under a lot of pressure. being an online ignoramus 18 hours a day has to be exhausting to say the very least.

it's sometimes hard to focus with so much happening at the trailer park...and with all the pertinent talking points to glean off fox news as it plays in the background, it's a tough job.

but hey, our blithering babbling sociopath comes through for us every day with a level of pure comedic entertainment that one would be hard pressed to find anywhere else in the blogosphere.

so give a girl a break..... and overlook a lost rape here, a murder there, forgotten genocides and bloody invasions that may slip the mind. Dorohty's under a lot of pressure just trying to remember who she lied to about what, and when....it tough out there!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 11:29 AM:

" It's amazing what all BBD has in his head. Of course he would have credited the source for all those quotes, if he didn't have them memorized. LOL! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 12, 2009 11:52 AM:

" WASHINGTON FBI agents have arrested a District of Columbia government worker and another man while they search the offices of the city's chief technology officer.

The head of that city office, Vivek Kundra, recently left to take a White House technology post.
-----------------------------------
Another grey area?? Reading the names of the 2 arrested makes a guy wonder. Yes that is stereo typing, but it sure seams to work out that way. "

The Question wrote on Mar 12, 2009 11:58 AM:

" Earmarks are a sideshow, a joke, a mere drop in a tide of deregulated financial hurt now sweeping across the world.
The fact that the blow-dried, strings-attached American corporate media is focusing on this irrelevant distraction from the economic disaster that is upon us shows just who makes those puppets dance, and why. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 12:02 PM:

" It looks like the RNC head put his foot in his mouth again. This time it was over his comments on abortion. Perhaps he should clear his comments through the real head of the GOP, Limbaugh, in order to keep from having to go back and re clarify every comment he makes in public.

This guy Steele is a real lulu. No wonder there are so many in that party after his scalp. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 12:59 PM:

" (FatHeadBobby - "..and overlook a lost rape here, a murder there, forgotten genocide and bloody invasions that may slip the mind.")

Obviously bobby is offended that I would dare point out that his fellow Atheists have done far more damage to the world than Christians.

And unlike bobby's refusal to acknowledge the horrendous legacy of Atheism, not to mention the role that his ideology of Liberalism played in the recent sexual scandals, I have no denial of the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

Remember folks, facts make bobby cranky.

...and they make his head hurt....... "

The Question wrote on Mar 12, 2009 1:49 PM:

" You know, theproletariat8, who invaded whom during the Crusades? Which religion was it that did all the invading and the raping and the pillaging, do you recall? "

The Question wrote on Mar 12, 2009 1:50 PM:

" Say, theproletariat8, what was the Spanish Inquisition? Was that a bunch of atheists torturing people to death to force them to declare their faith in atheism, or what? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Mar 12, 2009 2:16 PM:

" " Earmarks are a sideshow, a joke, a mere drop in a tide of deregulated financial hurt now sweeping across the world.
The fact that the blow-dried, strings-attached American corporate media is focusing on this irrelevant distraction from the economic disaster that is upon us shows just who makes those puppets dance, and why.
-----------------------

Oh, look, histrionics from the master thespian known as The Question!

More mindless blather from the resident Drama Queen... "

father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 2:26 PM:

" And unlike bobby's refusal to acknowledge the horrendous legacy of Atheism, not to mention the role that his ideology of Liberalism played in the recent sexual scandals, I have no denial of the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.""""

Dorothy.....please copy and paste where i said that....we'll wait....moron! "

father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 2:42 PM:

" here are my words BDDorothy:

you have to remember BDDorothy is under a lot of pressure. being an online ignoramus 18 hours a day has to be exhausting to say the very least.

it's sometimes hard to focus with so much happening at the trailer park...and with all the pertinent talking points to glean off fox news as it plays in the background, it's a tough job.

but hey, our blithering babbling sociopath comes through for us every day with a level of pure comedic entertainment that one would be hard pressed to find anywhere else in the blogosphere.

so give a girl a break..... and overlook a lost rape here, a murder there, forgotten genocides and bloody invasions that may slip the mind. Dorohty's under a lot of pressure just trying to remember who she lied to about what, and when....it tough out there!!! " "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:17 PM:

" Hey uhm...bobby?

Let me explain something to you.

I said:

"And unlike bobby's refusal to acknowledge the horrendous legacy of Atheism, not to mention the role that his ideology of Liberalism played in the recent sexual scandals...")

I never claimed you said anything.

AND THAT'S THE POINT MORON.

The fact is you have remained SILENT, you have YET TO ACKNOWLEDGE Atheism's evil legacy or the role the Liberal policies played in the sexual abuse scandals.

*geez*

Take a nap bobby.......... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:24 PM:

" Christian atrocities in The Crusades and The Spanish Inquisitions?

YES!

GUILTY AS CHARGED!

See that, Question? No denial on my part.
Complete acceptance of history.

Now then:

Let's talk about the horrendous evil of Atheistic regimes, shall we?

Let's talk about Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:50 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:34 AM:

" (injustice85 - "...all of which occur by non atheists too, you can't limit those crimes to atheists")

Please read my words more carefully, nj. I never said these crimes were "limited" to Atheism. I said that they were committed on a scale that far surpassed those crimes committed by religion. Your interpretation of my words is amazingly black and white, nj.

("policies are irrelevant, many homosexuals control themselves everyday just fine, allowing them into the church is no excuse and judgemental")

Wrong. In matters of faith and doctrine, policies are paramount. The point of contention is not the acceptance of homosexuals into the Church (the Church welcomes them) but rather, into the Sacrament of Holy Orders. (i.e. the priesthood) If the Church has determined this to be the genesis of the problem, then so be it. After all, The Church IS IN the "Judgement" business, is it not? That is not only their sacred right, it is their sacred duty. You and I can either accept The Church or reject The Church. That is our freewill.

("lol how so? you have to spend some to keep it flowing, every economic idea i have heard says that taxes should increase, and not just my cigarette taxes lol")

Again nj, there is no historical evidence that Keynesian economics works, in fact their is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Keynes himself admitted that the only way his economic theory could ever work in a democracy was in the context of a unified war effort, such as WWII. But even then, the war was basically an extension of much of the economic sacrifice and hardships of The Great Depression.

("lol you must just donate like crazy, lol conservatives will take your money in fact they STEAL your money")

In one breath nj, you applaud the Liberal passion of taxing like crazy (i.e. legalized Government-theft) in another breath you make the oversimplified black and white statement that Conservatives will steal your money. Apparently in your black and white logic all CEO's = Conservative, dishonest and BAD! All Bureaucrats = Liberal, honest and GOOD! I think that would justify me to "lol". "

the church sure is in the judgement business, they much like playing God, I still don't see where you think atheism has been any more worse off than religious crimes, better come up with some proof on that, as for the economy dude I'm so sick of hearing about it lol, the government should just lie and say it is all fine and it would probably clear up a bit quicker, a bunch of afraid Americans is not particularly a productive scene, and I suppose your right, I can limit conservative crooks down to what maybe 68% of them give or take lol, maybe they should attempt proving otherwise for a change, that doesn't mean all liberals are saints either Bluedog, ya know maybe churches should start sticking to all policies of the Bible instead of the ones that simply block homosexuals from their church, maybe they should ban their women from speaking and all that jazz instead of doing the convenient thing "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:54 PM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:52 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 AM:
" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 11, 2009 3:39 PM:

" (injustice85 - "define atrocities lol, catholic preists have molested so many children, that is more of an atrocity than anything to me, atheism may have its traditions or whatever")

The priest who molested children were NOT carrying out Church doctrine, they were DEFYING it.

And I'll be glad to define Atheistic atrocities for you, nj:

-Rape

-Torture

-Murder

-Genocide

All committed by Atheistic Regimes throughout history, on a scale that far surpasses the evils committed by religion

...all of which occur by non atheists too, you can't limit those crimes to atheists """""

you have to remember BDDorothy is under a lot of pressure. being an online ignoramus 18 hours a day has to be exhausting to say the very least.

it's sometimes hard to focus with so much happening at the trailer park...and with all the pertinent talking points to glean off fox news as it plays in the background, it's a tough job.

but hey, our blithering babbling sociopath comes through for us every day with a level of pure comedic entertainment that one would be hard pressed to find anywhere else in the blogosphere.

so give a girl a break..... and overlook a lost rape here, a murder there, forgotten genocides and bloody invasions that may slip the mind. Dorohty's under a lot of pressure just trying to remember who she lied to about what, and when....it tough out there!!! "

yup yup lol I suppose only atheist liberals murder and rape and what not lol, at least they would run the country better lol, I suppose old Bluedogs maturity has payed off not being a youthful crazy rebel anymore lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:57 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 11:29 AM:

" It's amazing what all BBD has in his head. Of course he would have credited the source for all those quotes, if he didn't have them memorized. LOL! "

...wikipedia must be doing its job of keeping the old fogey's smarter than us lol, I guess experience is just a click away "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:00 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 12:59 PM:

" (FatHeadBobby - "..and overlook a lost rape here, a murder there, forgotten genocide and bloody invasions that may slip the mind.")

Obviously bobby is offended that I would dare point out that his fellow Atheists have done far more damage to the world than Christians.

And unlike bobby's refusal to acknowledge the horrendous legacy of Atheism, not to mention the role that his ideology of Liberalism played in the recent sexual scandals, I have no denial of the atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

Remember folks, facts make bobby cranky.

...and they make his head hurt....... "

apparently you are in denial, hop on old wikipedia and starting finding us some proof that atheists have hurt the world more than christians, start by asking every child that was ""abused" by a preist and ask them if their lives were ruint, a preist is at the same level of responsibility in his actions as a single atheist so there is a start, any single action committed by a single atheist falls not on atheism now does it? I think you'd better check your facts "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:05 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 3:24 PM:

" Christian atrocities in The Crusades and The Spanish Inquisitions?

YES!

GUILTY AS CHARGED!

See that, Question? No denial on my part.
Complete acceptance of history.

Now then:

Let's talk about the horrendous evil of Atheistic regimes, shall we?

Let's talk about Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot. "

better start crunching some numbers for proof lol "

father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:32 PM:

" Dorothy you really need to leave the booze alone.

i'm still waiting for you to do your copy and paste.....or are you just the liar we think you are. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:55 PM:

" Here's the death estimates from Stalin's Atheistic Regime, alone:

From Wikpedia:

"Historians working after the Soviet Union's dissolution have estimated victim totals ranging from approximately 4 million to nearly 10 million, not including those who died in famines. Russian writer Vadim Erlikman, for example, makes the following estimates: executions, 1.5 million; gulags, 5 million; deportations, 1.7 million out of 7.5 million deported; and POWs and German civilians, 1 million a total of about 9 million victims of repression."

".......a number of recent historians suggesting a likely total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, gulags, deportations and other causes.."

++++++++

Now it's my turn to challenge you for proof, injustice.

Let's see you crunch some numbers of Christian atrocities by comparison.

Oh and, I'm going to have to insist that you explain your rationalization for comparing sexual abuse to torture and murder. That is ridiculous beyond words.

And, since you insist on sinking to a level of personal insults with me, I'll reciprocate, nj:

E.I.U, must be doing its job of keeping the young skull full-o-mush smarter than us lol, I guess nj's experience is just a click away.

better start crunching some numbers for proof there wonder student. lol "

father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:09 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:55 PM:
"E.I.U, must be doing its job of keeping the young skull full-o-mush smarter than us lol, I guess nj's experience is just a click away."""""

like i said, it's rough being "on" 18 hours a day IJ85.

Dorothy's just about to blow a gasket. she feels her inferiority, and is quite frustrated you've bested her.....once again. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:20 PM:

" The recipe for perpetual ignorance is a very simple and effective one: be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge

Elbert Hubbard- "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:35 PM:

" My my isn't this becoming heated. Now as much as BDD has made me upset I still respect her views. So lets keep a more civil tone everyone.

The Question I agree with you lol it is interesting to stack up atrocities count. What everything comes down too is power. The ability to control the masses using religion or atheism. Both sides are in the wrong, the oppression of Athiest in the early 1900's in the US to the Corperate Facist State of China oppressing Buddhist and Christians in their country. (China.. a communist country with the worlds largest mall....)

If Keynes is wrong then the policy of decreasing government spending must be the utopian of all economic theories. Proven by the Reagan adminstration, trickle down economics fails. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:36 PM:

" * BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:55 PM: *
* "e.i.u, must be doing its job of keeping the young skull full-o-mush smarter than us lol, i guess nj's experience is just a click away. *

* better start crunching some numbers for proof there wonder student. lol" *

* ouch * another swirly to yet another hypocritical libtard * "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:40 PM:

" I'm not even going to EIU or any college at the moment. my experience is what I've been through. My knowledge isn't just intellectualism, its my own obession with politics and sociology. "

oldschool wrote on Mar 12, 2009 6:28 PM:

" "BlueDog", Keep fighting the fight as you rope-a dope the rantings of the ignorant. You have conceded on points when needed, you have killed with facts always, to back your points.

Why do these folks show so much hate from their keypads? You have my respect as a thinker, a historian, a debater and of course a man of God. You have bestowed on all of us the ability to be humble, graceful and very humorous. And above all you have shown an ability to, no matter how low the blow...to take a punch.

You are indeed my hero and I consider you a friend. This includes NeoCon, and Ed among many others.

I lack many skills and smarts you and others display on various posts, yet I learn everyday from you, as well from the LEFT. (what not to think)

Rock on brother and always fight the good fight. If you ever need me (not likely) I'm there...Oldschool!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 7:30 PM:

" i'm still waiting for you to do your copy and paste.....or are you just the liar we think you are. "

Our friend father bob calls 'em like he sees 'em.

And that was an excellent call, fb. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 7:46 PM:

" You are indeed my hero and I consider you a friend. This includes NeoCon, and Ed among many others.

Anyone surprised, it's been a while.

Let me join in, you da man Doh! "

father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 7:57 PM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 12, 2009 6:28 PM:"Why do these folks show so much hate from their keypads? You have my respect as a thinker, a historian, a debater and of course a man of God.""""

um....surely...hehehehehe...hahahaha...
ROFLMAO!!!!.....hehehehe...thinker??...heheheheh!!!!....hate from...hehehe...THEIR....wooooohoooo...
de...de....hehehe...bater...uuhhh..
okay....quit, you're killing me!!!

all this comedy FOR FREE!!!...send out the second act!!!...tommie INB andres!! hehehehehehehe!....LMAO!! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 8:40 PM:

" Isn't it just amazing how The Browback Mountain Boys (Harry and fatherbob) show up around the same time and cover each others arses? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 8:50 PM:

" Thanks oldschool I appreciate it.

And don't ever doubt your skills and smarts.

After all, just look at the Brownback Mountain Boys posts;

The Moronic-Duo aren't exactly burning up the I.Q. scale in here. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 PM:

" Oldschool sorry I couldn't make it :-(. I was watching Grand Kids :-).
Oldschool I also agree with you, I also LOVE to watch and learn from a few of these posters. Anyone such as myself that sets in the middle on NO side, can see both sides points on some things. Keep up the good work people. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 6:30 AM:

" BD lists a bunch of historical quotes and cites every one and Potter accuses him of plagiarism and the VERY next post, FB pastes an article with only the words, "good article" to accompany it. Priceless. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:14 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:55 PM:

" Here's the death estimates from Stalin's Atheistic Regime, alone:

From Wikpedia:

"Historians working after the Soviet Union's dissolution have estimated victim totals ranging from approximately 4 million to nearly 10 million, not including those who died in famines. Russian writer Vadim Erlikman, for example, makes the following estimates: executions, 1.5 million; gulags, 5 million; deportations, 1.7 million out of 7.5 million deported; and POWs and German civilians, 1 million a total of about 9 million victims of repression."

".......a number of recent historians suggesting a likely total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, gulags, deportations and other causes.."

++++++++

Now it's my turn to challenge you for proof, injustice.

Let's see you crunch some numbers of Christian atrocities by comparison.

Oh and, I'm going to have to insist that you explain your rationalization for comparing sexual abuse to torture and murder. That is ridiculous beyond words.

And, since you insist on sinking to a level of personal insults with me, I'll reciprocate, nj:

E.I.U, must be doing its job of keeping the young skull full-o-mush smarter than us lol, I guess nj's experience is just a click away.

better start crunching some numbers for proof there wonder student. lol "

Stalin...that's all you came up with was one, non American regime? good work on wikipedia dude, plus I'm not an EIU student, yet, and you are the one that listed murder and all that together in a category or at least...in a list, find me some better wikipedia work BLUEDOG and I might actually feel like responding "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:16 AM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:09 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:55 PM:
"E.I.U, must be doing its job of keeping the young skull full-o-mush smarter than us lol, I guess nj's experience is just a click away."""""

like i said, it's rough being "on" 18 hours a day IJ85.

Dorothy's just about to blow a gasket. she feels her inferiority, and is quite frustrated you've bested her.....once again. "

ya know it is never too late to do something with your life, perhaps she should try school, there is no age limit lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:18 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:20 PM:

" The recipe for perpetual ignorance is a very simple and effective one: be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge

Elbert Hubbard- "

ever so true it be Harry, you summed it up nicely, and here come the heathens in 3...2...1.. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:19 AM:

" Stanley Stetson wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:36 PM:

" * BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 12, 2009 4:55 PM: *
* "e.i.u, must be doing its job of keeping the young skull full-o-mush smarter than us lol, i guess nj's experience is just a click away. *

* better start crunching some numbers for proof there wonder student. lol" *

* ouch * another swirly to yet another hypocritical libtard * "

lol guess you didn't read the beginning of her post lol, Stalin woo hoo there's her numbers for ya "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:20 AM:

" theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 12, 2009 5:40 PM:

" I'm not even going to EIU or any college at the moment. my experience is what I've been through. My knowledge isn't just intellectualism, its my own obession with politics and sociology. "

we've got Stalin,lol, that is all old BLUEDOG came up with here dude, I think you can take it from here lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:23 AM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 12, 2009 6:28 PM:

" "BlueDog", Keep fighting the fight as you rope-a dope the rantings of the ignorant. You have conceded on points when needed, you have killed with facts always, to back your points.

Why do these folks show so much hate from their keypads? You have my respect as a thinker, a historian, a debater and of course a man of God. You have bestowed on all of us the ability to be humble, graceful and very humorous. And above all you have shown an ability to, no matter how low the blow...to take a punch.

You are indeed my hero and I consider you a friend. This includes NeoCon, and Ed among many others.

I lack many skills and smarts you and others display on various posts, yet I learn everyday from you, as well from the LEFT. (what not to think)

Rock on brother and always fight the good fight. If you ever need me (not likely) I'm there...Oldschool!!! "

best friends forever!!!! lol yes you always take those low blow punches, when you're not blogging at a level lower than Limbaugh with your name calling and petty child's humor, a true AMERICAN hero indeed "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:24 AM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 12, 2009 7:57 PM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 12, 2009 6:28 PM:"Why do these folks show so much hate from their keypads? You have my respect as a thinker, a historian, a debater and of course a man of God.""""

um....surely...hehehehehe...hahahaha...
ROFLMAO!!!!.....hehehehe...thinker??...heheheheh!!!!....hate from...hehehe...THEIR....wooooohoooo...
de...de....hehehe...bater...uuhhh..
okay....quit, you're killing me!!!

all this comedy FOR FREE!!!...send out the second act!!!...tommie INB andres!! hehehehehehehe!....LMAO!! "

father bob i think i broke my !@@ laughing it off "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:25 AM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 PM:

" Oldschool sorry I couldn't make it :-(. I was watching Grand Kids :-).
Oldschool I also agree with you, I also LOVE to watch and learn from a few of these posters. Anyone such as myself that sets in the middle on NO side, can see both sides points on some things. Keep up the good work people. "

lol wow what are you guys smoking this morning lol? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:28 AM:

" oldschool wrote on Mar 12, 2009 6:28 PM:

" "BlueDog", Keep fighting the fight as you rope-a dope the rantings of the ignorant. You have conceded on points when needed, you have killed with facts always, to back your points.

Bluedog found her reason for reason lol, all the time blogging musta just payed off, perhaps you can copy and paste it to your refrigerator or maybe a special section of wikipedia lol, at least hit me with something worth justifying this time, Dorothy is it? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:32 AM:

" (injustice85 - "Stalin...that's all you came up with was one, non American regime? good work on wikipedia dude, plus I'm not an EIU student, yet, and you are the one that listed murder and all that together in a category or at least...in a list, find me some better wikipedia work BLUEDOG and I might actually feel like responding")

Now you're just dodging, injustice. The wikipedia stats are well sourced and clearly cited in the footnotes.

And the fact that these regimes are non-Amercian is completely irrelevant.

You're clearly stalling nj.

So go ahead lad, put up.

I'll challenge you again, injustice:

Let's see you crunch some numbers of Christian atrocities by comparison, and let's see you explain your rationalization for comparing sexual abuse to torture and murder.

And I'm so sorry you're not in E.I.U. yet "dude". "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:36 AM:

" (injustice85 - "ya know it is never too late to do something with your life, perhaps she should try school, there is no age limit lol")

That's good advice for fatHeadBobby, injustice.

However nj, your suggestion might carry a little more weight if you weren't attending a local crayola-tech junior college, and of course, if your writing skills were actually a little more advanced than the average eight-graders- "dude". "

ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:48 AM:

" nj,

Just a suggestion, but when you paste a comment that you intend to reply to, you might want to delete the rest of the original post that you are not addressing. Sometimes it is hard to tell where the OP stops and your reply begins. "

unknownjoe wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:51 AM:

" There is an old saying. If you are not part of the solution, You are part of the problem. The entire thread here with the exception of a few pointed words is a waste of oxygen. No issues or gray areas are really addressed. However; you do have a great game of my side can beat up your side going on. None of you have given any examples of how to solve any of the issues you have discussed here. I do think in your own arrogance that most of you are not action people, more of the line of "I am here to enlighten and inspire people with my words of wisdom." How many of you see a problem, a true problem and are willing to go to the barricades and do something about it. My take is that none of you. How many see people that are hungry and make true efforts to feed them. How many take the time out of their busy schedules to do something for the elderly, help a single mother who decided not to have an abortion. How many of you make an effort to be involved in helping to create a community garden to help feed people. How many of you have put your butt on the line for anyone. My guess is that most of you have not. Most of you are too wrapped up in your game of tit-for-tat that you stand on your side of the gray areas shouting insults and trying to prove your side of the gray area is the correct one. You sadly miss the point. If you wish to make changes, if you wish to make a difference in someone elses life. Get out there in the fight; in the middle of the gray area. That is where the fight is. Take some of the time you spend pontificating at your keyboard and growing your backside and get out there and actually do something. Until you do, your words are hollow, they mean nothing. They only show what arrogant trouts you really are. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 9:32 AM:

" Rock on brother and always fight the good fight. If you ever need me (not likely) I'm there...Oldschool!!! "

How about we take up a collection for a new set of knee pads for our friend?

And hey fb, the one thing this issue has done is given our friend Aunt Dorothy a reason to talk about her homophobic obsession. Funny how she always manages to work that into about every conversation. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:26 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 6:30 AM:

" BD lists a bunch of historical quotes and cites every one and Potter accuses him of plagiarism and the VERY next post, FB pastes an article with only the words, "good article" to accompany it. Priceless. "

Poor eddie. It seems he had to scroll through two days worth of posts to come up with that one.

The next thing you know he'll be aping Aunt Dorothy and going back weeks and even months to try to make a point.

That seems to smack of desperation on his part.

I know it's hard, but do try to keep up, eddie. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:33 AM:

" (Harry - cries to bobby - "And hey fb, the one thing this issue has done is given our friend Aunt Dorothy a reason to talk about her homophobic obsession. Funny how she always manages to work that into about every conversation. LOL!")

What did I tell you folks?

The BrownBack Mountain Boys (Harry and Bobby) just can't stop covering each others arses. LOL

They're simply obsessed with one another!

You fella's play nice now.....

ROFL "

ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:51 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 9:32 AM:
" How about we take up a collection for a new set of knee pads for our friend?"

And why would he need knee pads, Harry. I'm not sure what you are implying? Did he mention that he was planning to lay some carpet or something? Please elaborate. "

father bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:54 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 9:32 AM:
"And hey fb, the one thing this issue has done is given our friend Aunt Dorothy a reason to talk about her homophobic obsession. Funny how she always manages to work that into about every conversation. LOL! """"

LOL!....yeah, Dorothy works that into every act! it's either socialism or homophobia tainting her drivel. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:05 AM:

" Why is it that those who don't have a lot of formal education have a tendency to mock those that do? Jealousy?

Reading some of the comments from our own beloved Aunt DorothyDog, it's obvious that she fits into the category of the uneducated that hate those who bothered to get an education. These haters, like our bitter friend, seem to suffer from a complex of sorts. Thus the self congratulatory comments from her other "personalities". "

The Question wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:27 AM:

" Florida's GOP chairman has demanded that Republicans give "unwavering loyalty and support to Chairman Steele" in his time of need.
Fall in, right-wing culture warriors! You have your ORDERS. Quick march! Schnell!!! Schnell!!! "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:49 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:32 AM:

" (injustice85 - "Stalin...that's all you came up with was one, non American regime? good work on wikipedia dude, plus I'm not an EIU student, yet, and you are the one that listed murder and all that together in a category or at least...in a list, find me some better wikipedia work BLUEDOG and I might actually feel like responding")

Now you're just dodging, injustice. The wikipedia stats are well sourced and clearly cited in the footnotes.

And the fact that these regimes are non-Amercian is completely irrelevant.

You're clearly stalling nj.

So go ahead lad, put up.

I'll challenge you again, injustice:

Let's see you crunch some numbers of Christian atrocities by comparison, and let's see you explain your rationalization for comparing sexual abuse to torture and murder.

And I'm so sorry you're not in E.I.U. yet "dude". "

I compared murder and torture simply because you mentioned them together, read back it's there in your list Bluedog, which do you find worse bluedog, ruining a childs life to me seems worse than murder, if you want to begin we could discuss Adolph Hitlers fascination with christianity, if you want we can say he did what he did out of christianity as if Stalin did what he did out of atheism, as for you Bluedog I ask what are your contributions to society? you say all this educatin is pointless and you have all this experience, Just what have you done with it? What has your career been all your life? How do you do your part besides blogging? Have you been all "talk" your whole life? Will you continue to be? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:52 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:36 AM:

" (injustice85 - "ya know it is never too late to do something with your life, perhaps she should try school, there is no age limit lol")

That's good advice for fatHeadBobby, injustice.

However nj, your suggestion might carry a little more weight if you weren't attending a local crayola-tech junior college, and of course, if your writing skills were actually a little more advanced than the average eight-graders- "dude". "

Dude is my form of expression not a representation of literacy, you dare to down grade Lake Land as if it is a worthless effort, how dare you, tell that to the other thousands of students doing something with their life, what college did you ever attend, what career do you have, when are you going to impact this world with action instead of a big mouth? Lake Land happens to be one of the top junior colleges in the country, you'd know if had attempted to be something, sad bluedog "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:54 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:48 AM:

" nj,

Just a suggestion, but when you paste a comment that you intend to reply to, you might want to delete the rest of the original post that you are not addressing. Sometimes it is hard to tell where the OP stops and your reply begins

thanks Ed, I've been thinking about that today actually, sometimes I just want all of the word slop to be revitalized as I make a statement lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:56 AM:

" unknownjoe wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:51 AM:

" There is an old saying. If you are not part of the solution, You are part of the problem......

what your saying was suppose to be the point of the letter, either way at this point talk is useless, it is time for action something these oldies don't understand, some have been productive members of society but I still can't speak for Miss BLUEDOG "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:57 AM:

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 13, 2009 12:10 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:25 AM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 12, 2009 9:19 PM:

" Oldschool sorry I couldn't make it :-(. I was watching Grand Kids :-).
Oldschool I also agree with you, I also LOVE to watch and learn from a few of these posters. Anyone such as myself that sets in the middle on NO side, can see both sides points on some things. Keep up the good work people. "

lol wow what are you guys smoking this morning lol? "
===================================
NJ another ignorant statement from you.
I stated I AGREE with some on BOTH sides. I am in the MIDDLE, I have NO preferences. I LEARN from lots of these posters. I CAN see why they think what they do. I LOOK at BOTH sides of EVERY coin.
In fact I have seen and realized that some of what BDD, Harry and few others post is exactly true and the way it is. Yes they snipe and belittle each other in the process, which adds humor sometimes.
If that makes you think I am smoking something, maybe in fact it is you that is taking a toke.
So again I say to all keep up the good work. And I still want to see a true hard core debate. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 12:20 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:26 AM:
" Poor eddie. It seems he had to scroll through two days worth of posts to come up with that one.The next thing you know he'll be aping Aunt Dorothy and going back weeks and even months to try to make a point. That seems to smack of desperation on his part."

Once again, smoke and mirrors from our friend Harry. Let's ignore the comment since we have no intelligent reply and instead, try to distract everyone's attention away with a personal attack against someone totally unrelated. Man, do they teach you guys this at Democrat school? You all seem to have it down to a science. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 12:49 PM:

" (junior85 - "...which do you find worse bluedog, ruining a childs life to me seems worse than murder,")

Which do I find worse, injustice; murder or molestation?

Uhm......MURDER.

If that form of logic and rationale is a representation of your "education", injustice, then I clearly rest my case.

("if you want to begin we could discuss Adolph Hitlers fascination with christianity, if you want we can say he did what he did out of christianity as if Stalin did what he did out of atheism")

Feel free to make the unfounded claim that Hitler performed his evil based on his "Christian" beliefs.

And I'll point out that his close associates: Josef Goebbels, Speer, and Martin Bormann, have stated that his personal views on Christianity were largely negative. And that any appeal Hitler my have made to German Christians was nothing more than mere propaganda.

Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The Fhrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay."

-(Source - Richard Steigmann-Gall, The Holy Reich, p. 252-253; Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich, Orion Pub., 1997 ISBN 1-85799-218-0, p. 96.)

Albert Speer reports a similar statement: You see, its been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didnt we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

(Source - Albert Speer, Richard Winston, Clara Winston, Eugene Davidson. Inside the Third Reich - National socialists - Avon (1971) p 143.)

And as far as proof of the Atheistic motivation of Communist Regimes, I'll submit this from a man who lived through it:

THE INFLUENCE OF ATHEISM AS A CENTRAL COMPONENT OF COMMUNISM

Nobel prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who grew up under the Atheistic communism of the Soviet Union, stated the following:

"The world has never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized and tenaciously malevolent as that preached by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin and at the heart of their psychology, hatred of God is the principle driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot. To achieve its diabolical ends, Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails a destruction of faith and nationhood. Communists proclaim both of these objectives openly, and just as openly put them into practice."

(Solzhenitsyn, Acceptance Speech, Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion, 1983; Russkaia Mysl', no. 3465, 19 May, 1983, p. 6 (R).)

++++++++

Now it's your turn to start answering some questions and listing some sources, injustice. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 12:52 PM:

" what career do you have...

Good question, nj.

I agree that it would be interesting to see what our friend does for a living. Just a hunch here, but I doubt that any of us would be impressed. Nothing against the fine folks who work at Walmart, but I have long suspected his job requires a blue vest.

I would guess he's a third shift stock boy at Wally World.

I recently purchased a large screen TV there and two of the sales clerks were complaining about one of the argumentative lazy third shift stock boys. Hmmm.....you don't suppose?

His lack of accomplishments in life might be the reason for all his anger and his constantly being in the attack mode.

Well that and all the humiliating wedgies he no doubt suffered throughout his younger days. "

father bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 1:06 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:52 AM:
" what college did you ever attend, what career do you have, when are you going to impact this world with action instead of a big mouth?"""""

he didn't attend any form of higher education. that's why he is so viciously blasting you IJ85. his inferiority and feeling of subservience creates hostility towards those who are obviously accomplishing something he couldn't. his attacks should be somewhat of a complement actually.

but alas, try as he might, he'll never amount to more than a ranting lunatic. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 1:07 PM:

" (injustice85 - "as for you Bluedog I ask what are your contributions to society?)

Well for starters, I'm combating and exposing the illiterate dishonest nonsense that empty-headed Liberals like you prattle on about on a daily basis, junior85.

("you say all this educatin is pointless and you have all this experience, Just what have you done with it?")

I never said "educatin" is pointless.

I think it's invaluable. However, it's never a substitute for commonsense or for real-world experience.

Two things you seem to be lacking in the most dire way, nj.

("What has your career been all your life?")

My career has consisted of me making a comfortable living. And you?

("How do you do your part besides blogging?")

Well comrade, I do by my "part" by running a successful business. How about you?

("Have you been all "talk" your whole life? Will you continue to be?")

How about you, junior?

Tell us all about your vast years of contributions towards your fellow man throughout your (what?) 23? 24? years of life?

And then explain your belief that other people your age who have chosen to serve in the military are actually ignorant and misguided rubes.

Oh and, WHAT will you continue "to be", junior85? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 1:36 PM:

" Tell us Harry,

What do you do for a living? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 1:45 PM:

" Yes of course, bobby.

You have got to be the most intellectually "challenged" poster on this site.

Each and every one of your posts is a brand new experience in sheer stupidity.

I'll bet you fall down alot....... "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:10 PM:

" BDD I'm ashamed... What are our contributions. Well one unjustice has been working charities and small buisnesses on the radio since he has been at "crayola-tech junior college". Crayola tech huh? So thats why Lake Land has one of the best nursing programs in the state and my mother just graduated this summer and is working up north.

Empty headed?... hmm yes I'm empty headed because I can understand the basics of astro-physics, or that on my own time I read text books for fun. There was a time when I considered myself a war hawk democrat, then I became emersed in anarchist ideals so I was a Libertarian for a time. Yet I disagree with their want for unrestricted capitalism, along with my parents struggling combined with my anarchist beliefs I rejected the Libertarians. Studying corperate capitalisms effect on the poor in this country, the huge unequity between elite and the worker disturbed me. All governments attempts to squash dissent scares me because I'm born with freedom of speech and everywhere I look its taken away from me.(couldnt imagine myself in china, I would of taken up arms against their government by now if I was born there)

BDD I have been all over the political spectrum except the far right in my lifetime. All my knowledge doesn't seem empty to me. I defended you BDD and even though others were getting snobby you decided to go past it and replace it with out right childish approach. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:18 PM:

" No satisfied with just having John McCain to throw under the bus, I read on the Fox forum that they're going after his daughter. Her crime? Having the audacity to criticize Ms Sleaze herself, Ann Coulter.

It seems that Ann is having a bit of a problem with the fact that her last book bombed, and having her column getting dropped like dead flies from various newspapers around the country, she seems to be getting desperate for an audience. Since Ann is one of Tommy A's political mentors, I wonder if he bought her latest book? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:29 PM:

" Hey, remember this?

Harry's thoughts about me:

[Harry Potter wrote on Mar 9, 2009 10:50 AM:

"....I've never thought he was a stupid person, to the contrary...."]

Remember folks,

I'm just a simple humble man, and I never brag about my education these days.

I stopped doing that when I gravitated away from my Left-Wing leanings and began to realize that it was a standard Liberal tactic of over-compensation.

Just look around here.

The people who boast the most about their illustrious "education" are the Liberals with the weakest arguments. "

ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 1:36 PM:
" Tell us Harry, What do you do for a living? "

C'mon BD, that's irrelevant anymore. You don't have to DO anything. Our new big brother will take care of you from cradle to grave, he has said so. Why bother to work, when you can just sit at home and let those evil rich people take care of you. After all, more success means more taxes and who wants to pay taxes? Free daycare for your illegitimate kids, free education (not that you need it), free health care, free welfare, free retirement plan, free house payment and other goodies. Uncle Santa Claus will take care of us all. "

father bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Well comrade, I do by my "part" by running a successful business. How about you?""""

~(runs a paper route for the JG-TC)~ "

ed miller wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:45 PM:

" Gee, maybe some people get it...

"NYC Mayor Bloomberg stuck up for the upper crust Friday, saying proposed taxes on New York's highest earners would penalize the people who drive the city's economy.

"You know, the yelling and screaming about the rich - we want rich from around this country to move here. We love the rich people," he said on his WOR-AM radio show.

"People say, 'Oh, well, you know, if the income were redistributed throughout the system more fairly,' " Bloomberg continued.
"I don't know what fair means. You can argue that if you make more money, you deserve more money."

Rich people generate jobs and taxes with the expensive things they buy and the fancy restaurants where they eat, Bloomberg said - but they aren't making much money as the stock market collapses, and raising taxes on them will just drive them away.

Bloomberg's own proposed budget for next year doesn't touch income taxes. It hikes the sales tax by a quarter-percent, taking an estimated $894 million from New Yorkers' pockets.

"A very small percentage of people do account for a big part of our income," he said. "The first rule of taxation is ... you can't tax too much those that can move." "

The Question wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:48 PM:

" President Obama continues the process of restoring justice and the rule of law after Bush's lawless criminal regime, Here's a new announcement from the Justice Department:
In a filing today with the federal District Court for the District of Columbia, the Department of Justice submitted a new standard for the government's authority to hold detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility. The definition does not rely on the President's authority as Commander-in-Chief independent of Congress's specific authorization. It draws on the international laws of war to inform the statutory authority conferred by Congress. It provides that individuals who supported al Qaeda or the Taliban are detainable only if the support was substantial. And it does not employ the phrase "enemy combatant." "

father bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:56 PM:

" well IJ85, you have the resident princess spitting and sputtering. "

father bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 3:05 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 1:07 PM:
"However, it's never a substitute for commonsense or for real-world experience.""""

*cough*cough*...(yep...paper route.. how else would he be able to rant 18/7) "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 3:16 PM:

" well FRAULEIN BLUEDOG, you claim that Stalin did his atrocities out of atheism, just calling you out, SO do tell fraulein what small business do you speak of that you so serve our community with? You claim I lack experience, look where yours has gotten you, your a blogger, I already do that, did it take you a hundred years of experience to get there? I can see your years of common sense has paid off making fun of college students, your not dissing on education just Lake Land right after all that is how you said it, you claim to be exposing lies well do tell, I believe it your side and policies that have led this country to the shame it has taken on, so maybe now you can EXPOSE that small business you speak of because we are all dying to know, as for me I volunteer for instance operation sleigh ride, i use my on air abilities to vastly promote charities and organizations such as big brothers, i volunteered at the annual eight grade career conference, i've protested this WAR of nonsense time and time again, you contribute by running a business huh, typical politician style, only concerned about YOUR pocket huh lol, as for murder or child abusing which really means rape because I can't use certain words here is worse because many would rather be dead than have to live there lives with the mental horrors it places upon them, that is my rationale heir fraulein, so go on now lets here of your business that fills your pockets and then perhaps we can back to how you've contributed to society and plan to continue doing so IF you ever did in the first place, you just keep on making a difference blogger "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 3:16 PM:

" So by the way it wasn't unjustice that said those things bout the troops, I DID. they are hard working pawns. Not the heros of WWII(all heros, the US soliders, British, Soviets, french rebels, anarchist and liberalist fighting in spain). They are fighting for the complete economic and military control of the world. "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 3:20 PM:

" Also, Marxist ideals were not militaristic. that source was wrong. ideals of marxism were never put into practice, even Karl Marx himself said "I am not a Marxists" No hatered of god in the sense, it was a hatered of the materialism of the chruches primarly the Eastern Orthodox chruch during the Tzarists period of control. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 3:24 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 12:52 PM:

" what career do you have...

Good question, nj.

I agree that it would be interesting to see what our friend does for a living. Just a hunch here, but I doubt that any of us would be impressed. Nothing against the fine folks who work at Walmart, but I have long suspected his job requires a blue vest.

apparently it's a small business Harry that supposedly contributes much to society/BLUEDOGS pockets, no wonder he wanted old McCain to win, we've got another sour republican here "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 3:28 PM:

" By the way BDD I'm a cashier at county market, but how do I impact society. By talking, talking to people like you, people that would be considered Reactionaries, the spread of information is what changes the world, not just status.

I'm writing a book as well, leading a new political cause called the People for Advance Socialism, I pick up trash in my neighborhood, was an activists for politicans during the 06 elections. thats what I have done. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 4:51 PM:

" I'm not about reveal my business, junior85.

I've worked hard all my life. I earned a scholarship, I worked my way through college and I've made a very comfortable living for myself.

That's right junior, I make lots and lots of eeeevil money, just so I can keep the poor hapless under-class (like you) poor and desperate.

I do donate to several charities (humane society organizations, various research organizations, St. Judes Childrens Hospital, a couple of Veterans organizations, and occasionally to The Salvation Army). But of course I only do that for the tax deductions. Because I'm rich and eeeeevil just as you suspect. I've also done volunteer work, but I'm not going reveal that in here.

Now I know that can't begin to compare with your contributions to society. What were they again, junior? Operation sleigh ride? "Promoting" various charities and organizations? Oh and, your gracious efforts of "War protests". How many names did you call our troops during those protests, junior? Did you burn any flags? How do you manage to work that into your busy schedule between your "Young Communist Club" meetings and your daily JG-TC blogging?

I suppose you don't sleep.

Yes indeed, you're quite the philanthropist aren't you junior85.

I'm not about to alienate half my clientele over my political and religious statements in a small town blog, junior.
By the way, some of my largest accounts are higher income Liberals. So you can spare me your evil rich conservative tripe.

You can easily risk the fallout from revealing your identity because you have nothing to lose. You've yet to accomplish anything. Oh but, you do manage to waste your time posting on this blog right along with everyone else don't you.

You know junior, when I was in college, I was either studying or working. I rarely had the free time day after day to fritter away my hours the way you do on this blog.

But now I do. And I'm glad it irritates you. You're really just a p*55ed-off kid who thinks the world owes you something, aren't you, junior85.

Now then, let's hear from all the other anonymous posters on here shall we?

Tell us fatherbobby and HarryTard Potter; what do you two boys do for a living? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 4:59 PM:

" (theproletariat87 -"Also, Marxist ideals were not militaristic. that source was wrong.")

Sorry kid,

but if you don't mind, I'll go ahead and listen to the word of a Nobel prize winning author who grew up under the torture and murder of the Atheistic communism of the Soviet Union.

You see, unlike you; He knows what he's talking about.

m-kay, junior?

Run along now lad...... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 5:06 PM:

" (theproletariat87 -" By the way BDD I'm a cashier at county market, but how do I impact society. By talking, talking to people like you, people that would be considered Reactionaries, the spread of information is what changes the world, not just status.

I'm writing a book as well, leading a new political cause called the People for Advance Socialism, I pick up trash in my neighborhood, was an activists for politicans during the 06 elections. thats what I have done.")

I'm sure somewhere in H*ll, amidst the tortures cries of all the innocent souls who died at his bloody hands,

Stalin is very proud of you, comrade.

Dasvedanya. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 6:39 PM:

" NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Wall Street rallied at the end of a choppy session Friday as investors pushed the stock market's gains to four days in a row - its best stretch since late November.

This is welome news for the Obama team. Not so for the Obama bashers on here. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 7:11 PM:

" Ya gotta love it, Dorothy starts off by saying she's not about to reveal her business and closes by asking fb and myself what we do for a living. Absolutely hilarious. Here's the thing, I can't speak for fb but I can tell you that I don't deliver newspapers like Dorothy. That long blathering response to nj's question was quite telling. Obviously nj hit a sensitive note over the whole employment thing, and as Dorothy said just last week: me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Or could it be that Dorothy's actually an insurance peddler like our friend Tommy? LOL! "

Locke wrote on Mar 13, 2009 7:55 PM:

" "Let's see you crunch some numbers of Christian atrocities by comparison..."

"Once again the songs of the Fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children."

Guess who? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:00 PM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:56 PM:

" well IJ85, you have the resident princess spitting and sputtering. "

Can't even tell us about this so called business lol, I've posted my grades and stuff at her request, pathetic huh that us citizens of the same society can't know what business this might be, apparently it is only for the fancy class of fogeys or it doesn't exist lol, heck could be a liquor store maybe lol, now she supposedly went to college, so much to lose apparently I guess she feels threatened by us liberals that give her all this business supposedly, if her clientele were to be alienated by her political stance they long would've been already, perhaps hers is another of the failing businesses of coles county, she's told us of her many accomplishments but can't name any of them including her volunteer work, i never thought that was something to hide unless it was for the KKK, she didn't have time to blog in college but finds all the time now, must be a dealing from home kinda business lol, she just has so much to lose if she reveals herself, BOGUS, WHO ARE YOU BLUEDOG AND WHAT DO YOU DO? SPEAK UP AND DON"T BE A CAN"T HACK IT! "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Well Harry tell me what do you think about BLUEDOGS inability to humanize herself here, we don't get to know anything of her because it is ALL LIES! lol "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Mar 13, 2009 10:30 PM:

" I'm a cashier at county market....

........I'm writing a book as well, leading a new political cause called the People for Advance(d) Socialism.....
__________________________________

WTF!?!?!?!?!

Sounds like you can get a job with the Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner. I hear he's having a hard time filling his Under-Secretary positions.

Have you cheated on your taxes, per chance?

blah-hah-hah-chuckle-chuckle-snort-snort

"Theres No Sense In Telling Me The Wisdom Of The Fool Wont Set You Free ... " "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:25 PM:

" Am I the only one confused at Neo Cons response? Are you belittling me having a cashier job or are you saying I am as bad as a man who shouldn't have a job over something that deals with taxes? (which I agree I am not a follower of obama just a supporter, I disagree and feel betrayed by man of his choices including war hawk positions in his adminstration)

My response about my job is too show how I'm not ashamed. Plus, is their something wrong with being an activists and wanting to make an impact with creating a group that is small but has members in Washington state, Winsconsin, and here in Charleston. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:26 PM:

" Mein Kampf- It's called propaganda, Locke.

Early on, Hitler expressed his opinion about God and religion as follows:

"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." (Source - Heiden, Konrad A History of National Socialism, p. 100, A.A. Knopf, 1935)

In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ.

Joachim Fest wrote, "Hitler knew, through the constant invocation of the God the Lord (German: Herrgott) or of providence (German: Vorsehung), to make the impression of a godly way of thought."

(Source "Hitler wusste selber durch die stndige Anrufung des >Herrgotts< oder der >Vorsehung< den Eindruck gottesfrchtiger Denkart zu machen." J.C.Fest, Hitler (German edition), p. 581)

*yawn* "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:34 PM:

" I agree we need to have a monthly meeting together face to face. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 14, 2009 12:03 AM:

" (junior85 - "Can't even tell us about this so called business lol,")

I'm sorry junior,

what did you say you did for a living? I missed that.

("I've posted my grades and stuff...")

Oh yes of course, junior. And what proof did you provide that those were actually YOUR grades..... "and stuff"?

("now he supposedly went to college,")

If anyone's telling tall-tales about their education it surely must be you, junior85. I shudder to think that your eight grade level posts are the fruits of a junior college experience. lol

("if his clientele were to be alienated by his political stance they long would've been already,")

Uhm...no Einstein, I've kept my political and religious beliefs out of my career. It's rather a necessary prerequisite in my field.
But hey, tell me when and where to tune in to your political and religious rants the next time you're "on air". I could use a good laugh, moron.

("didn't have time to blog in college but finds all the time now,")

Hey....uhm, whiz-kid? There were no blogs when I was in college, you dolt. There was no internet access, junior.

("must be a dealing from home kinda business lol, he just has so much to lose if she reveals herself, BOGUS, WHO ARE YOU BLUEDOG AND WHAT DO YOU DO? SPEAK UP AND DON"T BE A CAN"T HACK IT!")

It looks like I've rattled your cage huh, junior. You still live at home with mommy and daddy don't you, kid.

Do us all a favor mr."gray area".

The next time you feel like writing one of your witheringly ignorant sanctimonious hypocritical letters to the editor, don't.

Let's recall some of your phony sanctimonious ramblings, shall we:

(JULIAN RUSSELL - "We throw around accusations and attack without absorbing and understanding.")

Oh how altruistic. Oh how phony.

(JULIAN RUSSELL - "To me, the gray area. An area open to learning by absorbing both sides. Just remember, 'True knowledge exists in knowing that we know nothing,' not in pretending that we know everything.")

Oh how lovely. Oh how deeeeep. Oh how full of B.S.

(JULIAN RUSSELL - "So next time you go to attack someone on the blog or anywhere else remember we are all in this together, learning together. We might as well get along.")

Oh I think I'm going to puke.

Just remember "dude",

The next time you get the urge to put crayola to paper and share the vast "knowledge" and "experience" of your 5 years of adulthood (spent entirely at home with mommy and daddy) just STOP.

And instead, change the bong water.

mkay junior? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 14, 2009 2:08 AM:

" Locke wrote on Mar 13, 2009 7:55 PM:

" "Let's see you crunch some numbers of Christian atrocities by comparison..."

"Once again the songs of the Fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children."

Guess who? "

lol ya know if you're speaking about me Locke I really don't think you know me well enough to decide whther I'm grateful or not, I am more than grateful because I've known what it means to have nothing, same goes for those who call me spoiled, I am probably the most unspoiled person you'd meet out of my age group of people, and last I remember the so called land of the free was preventing your songs of the fatherland from reaching the heavens, last I knew you couldn't sing songs in school anymore during christmas time that had God or Jesus references and in some situations you can't even openly discuss such matters, land of the free don't tread on me lol "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 14, 2009 2:11 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 13, 2009 7:11 PM:

" Ya gotta love it, Dorothy starts off by saying she's not about to reveal her business and closes by asking fb and myself what we do for a living. Absolutely hilarious. Here's the thing, I can't speak for fb but I can tell you that I don't deliver newspapers like Dorothy. That long blathering response to nj's question was quite telling. Obviously nj hit a sensitive note over the whole employment thing, and as Dorothy said just last week: me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Or could it be that Dorothy's actually an insurance peddler like our friend Tommy? LOL! "

I think "Dorothy" is an out and out LIAR! I swear once before she claimed that she didn't go to college, now she did, hmmm, maybe she would like to post her grades like I did at her request, it is funny how she finds school so invaluable but now she supposedly went, we got a SCAREDY CAT Harry "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 14, 2009 7:24 AM:

" You shouldn't be surprised at her evasive action, nj. Aunt Dorothy has been playing a dishonest game on here for a couple of years now. That's why some us us prefer to stand back and stick pins in her prevaricating over sized ego. Good job on the career bit. The longer her responses are, the more they're filled with lies, distortions and half truths.

Just a short while ago, Dorothy fessed up to a lack of formal education and now she claims a college degree. Just another one of her out and out lies. Her jealousy is rather transparent, don't you think?

So if you're going to continue to argue with her, be prepared for more of the same nonsense, and to start getting blasted by some of her other "personalities". This is especially true when you get the best of her, which you've been doing on a regular basis.

But don't expect to get any details about her successful "career". lol! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Mar 14, 2009 9:04 AM:

" In yet another "Obama Bowel Movement Moment"....

Last year during the election cycle, when the Dow was over 11,000, McCain said that the fundamentals of the economy were fundamentally sound.

Candidate Obama, in one of his typically overconfident, condescending, smug, and arrogant retorts, asked what planet McCain was living on.

In less than 2 months, and upon the BOZO-N-THIEF Obama taking office, the DOW has declined by over 25% to around 7000.

Last week BOZO-N-THIEF Obama said it may take months, if not years, for the markets to recover.

He said then that the economy is causing "incredible pain and hardship".

Now this week Obama says the principles of the economy are fundamentals sound.

WHAT CHANGED?

ON-THE-JOB TRAINING by the BOZO-N-THIEF Obama that's what changed!

So, we have to ask what planet Obama lives on, planet URANUS?

Is understanding the principles of a macro-economy over your "pay grade" BOZO-N-THIEF Obama?

Is the BOZO-N-THIEF Obama just in over his head?

Barack OBAMA, nee LOSER-N-CHIEF.

OBAMA: CHANGE (hypocrisy, arrogance, ineptitude, economic failure, and bankruptcy) YOU CAN BELIEVE IN! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 14, 2009 1:01 PM:

" (injustice85 - "lol ya know if you're speaking about me Locke I really don't think you know me well enough to decide whther I'm grateful or not, I am more than grateful because I've known what it means to have nothing, same goes for those who call me spoiled, I am probably the most unspoiled person you'd meet out of my age group of people, and last I remember the so called land of the free was preventing your songs of the fatherland from reaching the heavens, last I knew you couldn't sing songs in school anymore during christmas time that had God or Jesus references and in some situations you can't even openly discuss such matters, land of the free don't tread on me lol")

OMG!

ROFLMAO

Junior85 is A GENIUS! LOL

Thank you Locke.

Thank you VERY MUCH for inadvertently displaying the utter idiocy of junior.

LOL!

(wiping away tears of laughter)

Juniors all yours Harry. He HAS to be your off-spring! LOL "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 14, 2009 1:59 PM:

" (Harry- "Just a short while ago, Dorothy fessed up to a lack of formal education and now she claims a college degree.")

That is flat-out false, Harry. I never denied my formal education.

I did however say on numerous occasions: ("I am a simple humble uneducated man")

I also explained that I was referring to "education" in a paradoxical sense.

I further explained this by citing my fascination with Socrates' Paradox of The Oracle. Which ,by the way, I was first introduced to at University by a Jesuit Professor. This particular class also exposed me to the fascinating philosophical and mystical truths of St Thomas Aquinas, who was in turn influenced by Aristotle, Averroes and Maimonides. Which is seemingly pointless to mention around here.

I might also point out that junior85's "knowledge" quote in his letter is an obvious knock-off of my use of Socrates Paradoxical "wisdom". Whether the Young Skull-Full-O-Mush realizes it or not, my use of that very lesson predates his letter by months. And yes I can prove it.

But hey, I digress, Harry.

I'm sorry all of that flew over your head in a mere skip. As always you're a ball of blind denial, confusion, and vitriol.

By all means, if it helps you to compensate for your own inadequacies then feel free to foster your belief that I'm an uneducated rube. It makes your inability to defeat my arguments all the sweeter.

This perfectly explains your obsession and malignant hatred of me. Your own insecurities are painfully apparent, Harry ole boy.

Now, resume your school-yard antics on cue. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 14, 2009 2:57 PM:

" (Harry - "Ya gotta love it, Dorothy starts off by saying she's not about to reveal her business and closes by asking fb and myself what we do for a living.")

Yeah...Harry, I was calling you out for your hypocrisy.

You question my career, I question yours.

How stupid can you get.

So what do you do for a living, again Harry? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 14, 2009 4:47 PM:

" theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:34 PM:

" I agree we need to have a monthly meeting together face to face. "

well that makes one more brave soul, apparently everyone else is following BLUEDOGS example of dishonesty and shame, oh hey LOCKE, doesn't it seem like heir bluedog knows a lot about the nazi regime, heil BLUEDOG, now I know where BBD got her sense of dishonesty and pitifullness-NAZI Party, well we know that much about her now, so about this business.... "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 14, 2009 5:30 PM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Mar 14, 2009 9:04 AM:

" In yet another "Obama Bowel Movement Moment"....

Our resident eproctophiliac Neo sure has some strange obsessions. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 14, 2009 6:11 PM:

" ....we got a SCAREDY CAT Harry "

Yup, I've been saying that for quite a while. lol! "

The Question wrote on Mar 14, 2009 9:32 PM:

" Here's a "gray area" for you -- new evidence about the lies used to promote the Iraq invasion.
British intelligence officers exchanged e-mails mocking claims about Saddam Hussein during the run-up to the invasion.
One e-mail, from an unnamed official, mentions claims Iraq "has assembled specialists to work on its nuclear program." The e-mail ends "Dr Frankenstein I presume? Sorry. It's getting late."
The e-mails were released under a Freedom of Information request. They back up claims that former Prime Minister Tony Blair's government "sexed up" information on Iraq to justify joining the United States in the invasion. "

The Question wrote on Mar 14, 2009 9:37 PM:

" I understand poor Mr. Bush is having trouble getting backing for his presidential "library."
A Bush library? No. Please. Now, a Bush zoo? Yes, absolutely.
The monkey house would be a particular attraction. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 15, 2009 2:44 PM:

" (injustice85 - "lol ya know if you're speaking about me Locke I really don't think you know me well enough to decide whther I'm grateful or not, I am more than grateful because I've known what it means to have nothing, same goes for those who call me spoiled, I am probably the most unspoiled person you'd meet out of my age group of people, and last I remember the so called land of the free was preventing your songs of the fatherland from reaching the heavens, last I knew you couldn't sing songs in school anymore during christmas time that had God or Jesus references and in some situations you can't even openly discuss such matters, land of the free don't tread on me lol")

OMG!

ROFLMAO

Junior85 is A GENIUS! LOL

Thank you Locke.

Thank you VERY MUCH for inadvertently displaying the utter idiocy of junior.

LOL

(wiping away tears of laughter)

Junior's all yours Harry......"dude"!

LOL "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 15, 2009 2:55 PM:

" (junior85 - "oh hey LOCKE, doesn't it seem like heir bluedog knows a lot about the nazi regime, heil BLUEDOG, now I know where BBD got he sense of dishonesty and pitifullness-NAZI Party, well we know that much about him now, so about this business.... ")

Obviously junior85, you don't know squat about me or my past or even history in general, do you burn-out.

But of course that doesn't stop you from throwing around ridiculous statements and accusations that you can't begin to back up, does it.

The fact that you responded to a passage from Mein Kampf with a religious rant of your own was ......FREAKIN HILLARIOUS! ROFLMAO.

What an absolute imbecile. LOL

Now tell us all about your marvelous accomplishments in your vast 23 years of life. "

father bob wrote on Mar 16, 2009 12:22 PM:

" hey Nancy...

Now tell us all about your marvelous accomplishments in your. " "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:09 PM:

" oh my sorry I didn't read Mein Kampf heir Bluedog, further proof of your nazi support, I sure don't a thing of your past mainly because you've either lied about it or have failed to have the courage to tell us about it, once again I say to you be an adult and tell us about your business, please include an address so I can mail you my transcripts since you are so concerned, The fact is it must really bother that I'm doing more now than you've done in your entire life, I'm the "future" heir Bluedog, best get used to that lol, when you reflect on your past do you pull up a beanbag and a gallon of ice cream in sorrow? I like how you complain about people assuming things all the while you're too frightened to reveal yourself on here where your so called customers might actually find it noble that you stand up for what you believe in, if you don't want people to assume heir bluedog then STOP BEING A CAN"T HACK IT AND FESS UP TO YOUR LIES! "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:10 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 14, 2009 6:11 PM:

" ....we got a SCAREDY CAT Harry "

Yup, I've been saying that for quite a while. lol! "

...my dislike has turned to pity for old bluedog, we've discovered her bark is worse than her bite and her tail is between her legs "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:45 PM:

" It is so sad that you continue to dodge your true self BBD, according to you you're the adult here so why not set the bar and reveal yourself like an adult? Even Rohn now thinks you should fess up, if you look under another blog I've laid out my week for you practically so are you going to follow my example, the example of a "youth"? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:53 PM:

" Gosh If I didn't know any better I'd say BLUEDOG is the moderator of this blog, half my posts have failed to be posted yet they meet the code of conduct criteria, it is funny how we can refer to each other as twerps and morons and maggots all of which are highly irrelevant and rude yet we can't obviously make a simple point via non agressive language, one more thing wrong with society "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:23 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "oh my sorry I didn't read Mein Kampf heir Bluedog, further proof of your nazi support")

Really junior? Because Locke was the one who posted it. LOL

Now, is calling me a Nazi part of that "gray area" you were lecturing everyone about, kid? LOL

("I say to you be an adult and tell us about your business, please include an address so I can mail you my transcripts since you are so concerned,")

Oh but, I'm not concerned kid. I really don't care about you or your insignificant tales. But hey, maybe you can post your transcripts in a Facebook page along with your police record. That would be fun. LOL

("if you don't want people to assume heir bluedog then STOP BEING A CAN"T HACK IT AND FESS UP TO YOUR LIES!")

Whoa there "dude".

Change your bong-water, kid.

I think this topic is starting to "harsh" your buzz. ROFLMA!

Thanks for melting-down, junior.

I knew I could break you.

ROFLMAO "

father bob wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:26 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:53 PM:
" Gosh If I didn't know any better I'd say BLUEDOG is the moderator of this blog, half my posts have failed to be posted yet they meet the code of conduct criteria,"""""

either Nancy or snotnosed tommie andres. they both seem to have a buddy at the JG-TC. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:30 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "Gosh If I didn't know any better I'd say BLUEDOG is the moderator of this blog,")

That's right junior.

I'm the moderator.

Which means I know who's posting under which name(s).....

Know what I mean kid? "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:19 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:23 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "oh my sorry I didn't read Mein Kampf heir Bluedog, further proof of your nazi support")

Really junior? Because Locke was the one who posted it. LOL

Now, is calling me a Nazi part of that "gray area" you were lecturing everyone about, kid? LOL

("I say to you be an adult and tell us about your business, please include an address so I can mail you my transcripts since you are so concerned,")

Oh but, I'm not concerned kid. I really don't care about you or your insignificant tales. But hey, maybe you can post your transcripts in a Facebook page along with your police record. That would be fun. LOL

("if you don't want people to assume heir bluedog then STOP BEING A CAN"T HACK IT AND FESS UP TO YOUR LIES!")

Whoa there "dude".

Change your bong-water, kid.

I think this topic is starting to "harsh" your buzz. ROFLMA!

Thanks for melting-down, junior.

I knew I could break you.

ROFLMAO "

...Pathetic with a capital P lol, my police record? what my speeding tickets lol, calling you a nazi is as equal as you calling me comrade, Locke said it but you knew all about it lol, sounds like I'm breaking you buddy after all you've avoided my requests time and time again to not be a CAN"T HACK IT lol, sounds like you yourself might have a slight marijuana complex, is there a deeper issue there? pull mthe tail out your legs and be a big girl lol, tell us all about yourself if your not peeing yourself thinking about it "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:20 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 16, 2009 5:30 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "Gosh If I didn't know any better I'd say BLUEDOG is the moderator of this blog,")

That's right junior.

I'm the moderator.

Which means I know who's posting under which name(s).....

Know what I mean kid? "

...does that make it easier to be BPS now lol, maybe you can reveal her "career" hahahahaha "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:26 PM:

" Which means I know who's posting under which name(s).....

translation: I keep track of everything I say under many pseudonyms.

After you post for a while on here, you will learn to pick up on his many "personalities too, nj. It's not too hard to do. They all have the same smell to them. lol! "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:47 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Mar 16, 2009 6:26 PM:

" Which means I know who's posting under which name(s).....

translation: I keep track of everything I say under many pseudonyms.

After you post for a while on here, you will learn to pick up on his many "personalities too, nj. It's not too hard to do. They all have the same smell to them. lol! "

...I only noticed one personality Harry, CHICKENHAWK "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:10 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "Locke said it but you knew all about it")

And you actually took it as a comment toward you and argued against Atheism didn't you Einstein.

My, you were quite the Bible-beater on that one, junior. lol

Oh and feel free to go after Bps if you think it's me. I'll enjoy that.

In fact I suggest you listen to Harry and go after everyone he suspects is really me.

In fact I triple dog dare you. lol

I don't think you're brave enough to do that. lol

Oh and change your Bong water...."dude". "

father bob wrote on Mar 17, 2009 10:05 AM:

" i haven't been keeping score.....

so... did Dorothy finally admit to managing the trailer park? i can't imagine him holding a job, unless he's just a plain liar. he's had a hard time keeping his stories straight i see.

well, at any rate, keep up the great work IJ85, the old sociopath's about to cave again.....he'll soon be gone for decompression and therapy. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 17, 2009 11:13 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:45 PM "Even Rohn now thinks you should fess up,"
-----------------------------------
Gee make me sound like the resident dummy why don't you. "

Harry Potter wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:31 PM:

" Gee make me sound like the resident dummy why don't you. "

Relax Rohn, that would be eddie miller. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:25 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 16, 2009 10:10 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "Locke said it but you knew all about it")

And you actually took it as a comment toward you and argued against Atheism didn't you Einstein.

My, you were quite the Bible-beater on that one, junior. lol

Oh and feel free to go after Bps if you think it's me. I'll enjoy that.

In fact I suggest you listen to Harry and go after everyone he suspects is really me.

In fact I triple dog dare you. lol

I don't think you're brave enough to do that. lol

Oh and change your Bong water...."dude". "

...if you read again there dufus I didn't take it as a compliment at all in fact I thought he was being critical, yes I messed up boo hoo get some new material, you seem to know quite a bit about the theatre lol, in fact anyone could be anyone on here so lets all study communications right lol, i will change my bong water right after you put down the crack pipe BLUEDOG lol, either way for you to sit there and speak of bravery is by far the best laugh of the day, this coming from the person who AT LEAST can't even tell us the name of the college you went to, or is that risky too, the only risk you're worried of is being made fun of but don't worry we don't sink as low as you do "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:29 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Mar 17, 2009 11:13 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:45 PM "Even Rohn now thinks you should fess up,"
-----------------------------------
Gee make me sound like the resident dummy why don't you. "

not a dummy rohn, a good man, at least you go by your real name (I assume)that is more than I can say for BLUEDOG and yes I know I don't but everyone knows my name my education my family misfortunes of which BLUEDOG chooses to rack on so yeah I think your a good guy for saying it Rohn "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:31 PM:

" father bob wrote on Mar 17, 2009 10:05 AM:

" i haven't been keeping score.....

so... did Dorothy finally admit to managing the trailer park? i can't imagine him holding a job, unless he's just a plain liar. he's had a hard time keeping his stories straight i see.

well, at any rate, keep up the great work IJ85, the old sociopath's about to cave again.....he'll soon be gone for decompression and therapy. "

...ignorance knows no limits Fatherbob, Bluedog won't stop, she will continue to fill us with bogus info and continuous lies, like I said at this point I'm not surprised she doesn't admit what her so called business is because if everyone knew she made fun of college students and the homeless no one would buy her cosmetics anymore lol, don't fret though FB because I've only just begun "

father bob wrote on Mar 17, 2009 5:09 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:31 PM:
" I'm not surprised she doesn't admit what her so called business is """"

yeah...probably refurbishes buttons or sells doilies. "

father bob wrote on Mar 17, 2009 5:15 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Mar 17, 2009 2:31 PM:
" ignorance knows no limits Fatherbob, Bluedog won't stop, she will continue to fill us with bogus info and continuous lies""""

yeah.....well that's what ol' Dorothy's all about. spinning tales, copy and paste and quoting others.

too bad she's such a lonely old hag. she's not got a mate or a life....so she's on here 18 hours a day trying to convince herself she's brilliant. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 17, 2009 9:13 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "...if you read again there dufus I didn't take it as a compliment at all in fact I thought he was being critical, yes I messed up boo hoo get some new material,")

Hey uhm...Burn-Out?

I said:

"you actually took it as a COMMENT toward you"

Not compliment. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 17, 2009 9:17 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "don't fret though FB because I've only just begun")

Gee junior,

Where do you find the time to blog so much?

Oh that's right. You don't have a job. "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:26 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 17, 2009 9:17 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "don't fret though FB because I've only just begun")

Gee junior,

Where do you find the time to blog so much?

Oh that's right. You don't have a job. "

...that just says something about you, we can see where I find time but you on the other hand must be running that business into the ground as much as you've been blogging, I like you just where I have you, squirming like a chicken hawk, keep dancing yellowdog, "

injustice85 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 9:27 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Mar 17, 2009 9:13 PM:

" (INJUSTICE85 - "...if you read again there dufus I didn't take it as a compliment at all in fact I thought he was being critical, yes I messed up boo hoo get some new material,")

Hey uhm...Burn-Out?

I said:

"you actually took it as a COMMENT toward you"

Not compliment. "

...bummer, I guess I speak horrible german "

jrussell wrote on Mar 18, 2009 11:42 AM:

" looky looky heir fraulein BBD, just for you I changed my name, I noticed you were concerned, we know you don't lead by example so maybe you'll choose to follow my actions, you seemed to have become quite fascinated with me, you should title the book: HOW I BECAME OBSESSED WITH JULIAN RUSSELL, would you like my address to perhaps so you can sneak around my window at night "

theproletariat87 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 1:19 PM:

" Bluedog I have stayed out of this arguement over status and personal information and you know what sickens me? YOU! julian has posted all of his information, but you won't give a d*mn thing, your buisness, YOUR NAME, YOUR SEX, nothing, you have given nothing.

My name is Jordan Eubank, I live at 678 14th street here in Charleston. MY parents are Eddie and Michelle Eubank. I consider myself a socialist but I agree with Anarchists beliefs. I have brown shaggy hair. I'm into punk rock and have been since 8th grade. My grandparents on my mothers side are Iris and Arthur Jewell. I'm German and Native American by descent. I'm listening to slowdive. My best friends are as follows: Dustin Steen, Julian Russell, Andi Belice, Dylan Mckee, Chris Haught, Jordan Russell. I drink, sometimes a lot, I've smoke pot before. I've gone to lakeland, currently I'm just working.
Want more information, or do you want to track me down and look at my myspace or facebook, hell look up my police record, are you the d*mn gestopo? Now how bout you grow up to your age and give out your information.

By the way you are a sick human being to bash someone for being homeless. I hope one point in your life you can wake to reality. You are whats wrong with our world and to the conservative faction. Tell my mom the nurse that LLC is a cracker jack college. HAVE A GREAT DAY! "

jrussell wrote on Mar 19, 2009 1:58 AM:

" check out secret space 2 on youtube.com, not saying all soldiers are like this but tell me what you think of the war after watching it, it is only necessary to watch the first 5 minutes or so, the rest is about aliens and stuff lol, it'll blow your mind though "

jrussell wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:18 PM:

" BLUEDOG straight up ran out of this blog, tail in legs and all, one down, plenty more to go "

jrussell wrote on Mar 20, 2009 1:19 PM:

" is it just me or did this blog drop about 40 comments? "