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Friday, February 13, 2009 8:50 PM CST
LETTER: Abortion foes want to protect unborn life

PHILIP BLAIR, Charleston

Vicky M. Tucker’s Feb. 9 letter should note that the vast many of abortion opponents, though unfortunately not all, do not concern themselves with demonizing others or fostering hurtful rhetoric.

What they do concern themselves with is protecting unborn human life, particularly at the most delicate and consequently most vulnerable stage. Ms. Tucker should also note that abortion opponents include young and old, white and black, and believers and nonbelievers alike.

I find Vicky M. Tucker sincere in her distaste for abortion and wanting to seek a common ground in ending the hideous practice. Perhaps she can begin, if she has not already, by voicing her opposition to our current president’s staunch pro-choice position throughout his political career. Another way is to oppose FOCA or the Freedom of Choice Act, which could lift a few restrictions we have on the protection of unborn human life.

PHILIP BLAIR

Charleston

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elbert wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:37 AM:

" Mr. Blair

Thank you for the expression of your opinion regarding the issue of abortion.

You focus on protecting the unborn. That is commendable. What do you plan to do about those who are unwanted? Do you plan to force the women to raise the child, even if it is unwanted? If the child is raised in those conditions, wont that constitute child abuse? It seems to me that the only solution is for those who are opposed to abortion is to step up and be willing to raise the child so that it will be raised in a loving home by loving parents? If you have another alternative, I would appreciate hearing it. As I am unable to come up with one. Of course, I hope that you would agree with me that the best solution is to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:10 PM:

" Good idea, elbert.
I wonder how many children Blair has
offered to take in resulting from an
unwanted pregnancy. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 17, 2009 7:57 AM:

" Come on people lets get a new topic. This one will never change. It will never be solved to suit everyone. "

exbricklayer wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:22 AM:

" It's simple, if you dont believe in abortion dont have one. If you dont believe in Gay marriage dont marry someone of the same sex. If you believe in a God thats going to punish you because someone else had an abortion or two people of the same sex decided to get married, you might want to find another God. If these personal decisions dont affect you, you have no right to pass judgment on the people that they do affect. Drop the self-righteousness you have no right to judge anyone but yourself. "

father bob wrote on Feb 17, 2009 2:14 PM:

" exbricklayer wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:22 AM:
" It's simple, if you dont believe in abortion dont have one. If you dont believe in Gay marriage dont marry someone of the same sex. If you believe in a God thats going to punish you because someone else had an abortion or two people of the same sex decided to get married, you might want to find another God. If these personal decisions dont affect you, you have no right to pass judgment on the people that they do affect. Drop the self-righteousness you have no right to judge anyone but yourself. """""

great post! "

yeah right wrote on Feb 17, 2009 3:30 PM:

" I 2nd that! Busy body people, thumbing their noses at peeps that do not fit their mold. Drop the stones and back away! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 18, 2009 8:25 AM:

" (exbricklayer - "It's simple, if you dont believe in abortion dont have one.")

And what if the baby doesn't believe in abortion?

Is it okay with your God if you sit by as someone kills an innocent child?

Is it wrong to protect the innocent and the helpless? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 18, 2009 8:46 AM:

" Well said brick. "

exbricklayer wrote on Feb 18, 2009 12:15 PM:

" ScumDog,

What gives YOU the right? "

exbricklayer wrote on Feb 18, 2009 12:29 PM:

" There's a story in the bible about a group of selfish conservatives (republicans) that knew Jesus was coming to their town, so they decided that upon his arrival they would stone a prostitute to show him how righteous they were. Jesus stepped between the republicans and the prostitute and said something to the effect of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Of course being hypocrite republicans they were all rife with sin, so they had to drop their rocks and go home. That's why Catholics believe in absolution, they just love to throw rocks. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 3:03 PM:

" You forget BDD that there are other innocent and helpless victims. What about women and girls who have been raped? What about women who find their lives endangered by a pregnancy? Is it wrong to insist that their lives be protected? BUT the innocent and helpless victims is just the emotional part of the equation. It takes courage to face the other FACTS, realities of life. "

sapient wrote on Feb 18, 2009 4:39 PM:

" Sounds like you pro-death people are advocating having your moment of ecstacy and not taking responsibility but having someone else do it. If you don't want to take responsibility for your actions at least put the child up for adoption. People out there are yearning for a baby. Beats just killing him/her so as not to have an inconvenience around. "

sapient wrote on Feb 18, 2009 4:42 PM:

" Exbricklayer, in citing your story you left something out. Jesus also said to the immoral woman, "Go and sin no more." "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 18, 2009 5:53 PM:

" What gives me the right?

The right to what, scumbag-bricklayer? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 18, 2009 5:59 PM:

" (Susan - " You forget BDD that there are other innocent and helpless victims. What about women and girls who have been raped?)

Are they more innocent or helpless than the unborn, Susan?

Uhm.....nope.

("What about women who find their lives endangered by a pregnancy?")

I'm not against procedures that attempt to save the mothers life. But tell me Susan, how often does the pregnancy truly endanger the mothers life in the first place?

Why do you hate the unborn so much, Susan?

Do you have any kids? "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:15 PM:

" BDD I don't hate anything or anyone. I respect women. AND as I have said many times what a woman does with her medical decisions is none of my business or yours. NOR is it mine nor yours to judge, condemn, lay a guilt trip on what they decide. Once again the issue is much bigger than cute little babies, face reality BDD. You haven't a moral foot to stand on when you judge, condemn and lay a guilt trip on those who face difficult decisions, when you deny young people full and complete education so they can make informed decisions and access to health care and FREE birth control so they can prevent unwanted pregnancies and when you refuse to acknowledge that women have rights that come first. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:17 PM:

" The reality Sapient is that there are NOT enough homes willing to adopt children, especially children with fetal alcohol syndrom, or crack babies, or babies with learning or health problems. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:40 PM:

" Some RAW realities Sapient. In the US there were 1,293,000 abortions in 2004. There were about 500,000 women said they were interested in adopting but only 100,000 had actually completed the paperwork. What happened with those other 400,000? There are 134,000 children in foster care waiting for adoption, all older children. The majority of those looking to adopt want healthy babies (not older children) not babies with fetal alcohol syndrom, crack babies, or babies with other health or learning difficulties. As I said there aren't enough homes. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:49 PM:

" Wrong again Susan,

What a woman does to an innocent voiceless child is everybody's business. And yes that fact gives me a very solid moral ground to make judgments.
And I'm all for complete education for women; for instance- the complete and brutal reality of what an abortion actually looks like from the baby's perspective. I think that all women should be exposed to the multitude of pictures and videos that expose the full horror of this murderous procedure. I'm sure you'll agree with me Susan, that women really should receive a complete education about that.
And then women should be educated with the fact that under Fetal Homicide Laws, the unborn have rights also, and that maybe just maybe, the woman should consider that aspect as well as her own rights.
I'm sure that is what you meant by "complete education", isn't it Susan? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:50 PM:

" I never caught your answer Susan,

do you have any children? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:54 PM:

" (Susan - "As I said there aren't enough homes.")

You're right Susan- let's just kill them instead. And while we're at it; you know, those nursing homes are pretty darned full as well, say do you suppose we could just.................

Welcome to Susan's Final Solution. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:57 PM:

" Susan's enlightened and compassionate Atheistic Liberalism:

"Just kill those d*mn babies!"

Out of sight, out of mind, I guess. Right Susan? "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:32 AM:

" Sorry BDD that is your twisted and perverted reasoning. AGAIN Compassion is all about preventing suffering. You do that through full, complete education, Free Birth Control, access to competent and complete medical services in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies and when women find themselves in difficult circumstances you offer whatever help they need for them to get through their crises and get back on their feet without judging, condemning or laying guilt trips.The issue is much bigger than cute little babies BDD. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:34 AM:

" Oh and yes BDD education includes knowing what the laws are in your state. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 19, 2009 10:45 AM:

" (shumphreys - "The issue is much bigger than cute little babies BDD.")

What issue in our society could possibly be bigger than protecting the most innocent, the most helpless, the most mute, of human beings, Susan?

Unbelievable.

And to think, you have the shallowness to accuse me of twisted and perverted reasoning?

Do you ever critique the hypocritical and irrational words that spill out of your head, Susan?

No. Of course you don't.

And I noticed you never answer my questions:

Should "complete education" include full exposure to the horrific details of the abortion procedure?

And do you have any kids, Susan? "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 1:08 PM:

" BDD your lack of compassion for those that are already alive is apalling. That is top priority, far more important than a fetus. Quit trying to scare folks BDD those tactics are the tactics of bullies. MOST abortions are not traumatic procedures. Late term abortions are, but are performed for seious reasons and the women in those situations need our compassion not condemnation, scare tactics, guilt trips or your hate. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 1:16 PM:

" BDD I and others answer your questions ALL of the time, you just don't like the answers you get and are unable to put forth a sound argument against them. It doesn't do any good to ignore reality. YES education includes factual information about abortion not your distorted scare tactics. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:11 PM:

" Susan, how exactly am I showing a lack of compassion for the mothers? If they spared the life of their baby they could save themselves a lifetime of guilt and despair.

The baby get's to live, and the mother has a clear conscience.

What, I ask you, could be more compassionate than that Susan? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:16 PM:

" (Susan - "MOST abortions are not traumatic procedures.")

Oh really Susan? Death is not "traumatic" for the baby?

Why are you afraid to educate the mothers with ALL the facts, Susan?

(Susan - " BDD I and others answer your questions ALL of the time,")

Did I miss your answer to this question, Susan?

Do you have any kids?

If I missed it; be a dear and please refresh my memory. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:18 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 1:16 PM:

" BDD I and others answer your questions ALL of the time, you just don't like the answers you get and are unable to put forth a sound argument against them. It doesn't do any good to ignore reality. YES education includes factual information about abortion not your distorted scare tactics. "

That's why people like myself and The Question quit arguing with him, Susan. If you don't answer a question to his liking he accuses you of hiding or not answering. He simply can't comprehend the concept of people having different opinions. With him, you're only right when you agree with his point of view. In addition to that, he never really answers questions. He just responds with questions of his own. You will never win with people like him, so why try? It's sad that he actually sees himself as a great debater. His little school girl hissy fits are the reason I dig at him. Push certain buttons and he dances every time. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 PM:

" Why BDD nothing you say shows empathy for others, compassion, feelings other than self gratification, self rightousness, narciscism, even self hate. You really are a mess. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:58 PM:

" "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal." Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies. Taken from "American Fascists, The Christian Right and the War on America" by Chris Hedges. That is why I speak up. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 19, 2009 5:09 PM:

" No Harry,

You quit debating me after I soundly defeated your ridiculous statement that Obama's inauguration was funded by private donors. Then I further humiliated you when I exposed your use of far-Left cite that you tried to pass off as a legitimate news source.

And if anyone refuses to answer questions, it's you dishonest stooges on the Left. You personally, Harry have ran away from more tough questions than anyone.

And Susan, I've corrected you so many times (unchallenged mind you) that I've lost count.

And tell me Harry, and you too Susan, which arguments exactly did I fail to reply to with a sound response?

Name them. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 19, 2009 5:16 PM:

" (Susan - "Why BDD nothing you say shows empathy for others, compassion, feelings other than self gratification, self rightousness, narciscism, even self hate. You really are a mess.")

There you go folks.

A typical nonsensical non-answer from Susan Humphreys.

Just look back at my numerous posts and you'll see that I've not only given sound and logical retorts to her empty arguments; but she frequently ignores the questions and changes the subject.

and then she has the audacity to accuse me of the very tactics that she is guilty of. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 19, 2009 5:21 PM:

" Susan displays her Hypocritical Oath:

(shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:58 PM: "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them...We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal." Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies. Taken from "American Fascists, The Christian Right and the War on America" by Chris Hedges. That is why I speak up.")

Susan will now explain how murdering innocent babies is truly compassionate. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 7:34 PM:

" Give it up BDD you have lost the battle, you only continue to show the extent of your depravity. You lie about others, you bully when you don't get your way, you fabricate "truth", ... Once again it isn't mine to judge what a woman does or does not do when faced with the difficult decision of abortion, it is only mine to offer help and support: education, birth control, medical services anything else is plain and simply immoral. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:10 PM:

Rotty wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:46 PM:

" Mr. Albin, are you out there?

If you are, I hear through the grapevine Susan is looking for a date to the Constitutional Walking Tour of Philadelphia.

The greatest gift is to give people your enlightenment, to share it. It has to be the greatest. "

dstew66 wrote on Feb 19, 2009 9:05 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 7:34 PM:
" Give it up BDD you have lost the battle, you only continue to show the extent of your depravity. You lie about others, you bully when you don't get your way, you fabricate "truth", ...

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Thought I would point this out to you since you seem to have missed this. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 20, 2009 6:58 AM:

" dstew66 wrote on Feb 19, 2009 9:05 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 7:34 PM:
" Give it up BDD you have lost the battle, you only continue to show the extent of your depravity. You lie about others, you bully when you don't get your way, you fabricate "truth", ...

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Apparently you haven't seen any of BBD's posts, dstew66. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 9:13 AM:

" (Harry Potter - "Apparently you haven't seen any of BBD's posts, dstew66.")

Yes Harry,

They tend to mirror your posts, don't they. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 20, 2009 9:18 AM:

" No comment may contain:

defamation of character, or statements that can harm somebody's reputation.

Personal attacks, insults, . . ., harassment

Apparently you haven't seen any of Harry Potter's posts, dstew66. " "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 20, 2009 9:22 AM:

" As a innocent bystander here. I have seen BDD ask shumphreys SEVERAL times if she has any children. She has NEVER answered that question that I have seen.
Its a easy question to answer. BDD I have 4 children here, and you??
But from susan's defiant reluctance to answer the question, I can only assume she has none. I am guessing and figure she is guessing the same thing, that when she says she has no children that BDD replies by saying " oh now I see why you have no feelings about the unborn CHILD". But then again thats only my "un"educated guesses. Again remember I am NOT trying to put words in peoples mouths, only stating what I "think" "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 20, 2009 9:24 AM:

" Sorry if posted twice my internet shut down as I sent the 1st post so I have no idea if it went. "

father bob wrote on Feb 20, 2009 10:00 AM:

" dstew66 wrote on Feb 19, 2009 9:05 PM:
" Thought I would point this out to you since you seem to have missed this. """""

yeah dstooge66.....you might also want to point that out to the JG-TC staff. they seem to overlook their policies when allowing BDD, Tom Andres, Stanley Stetson, Ed Miller and a few others who repeatedly make racial slurs and innuendos. they allow hate spewing gay bashing and demonization and slander of non "christians" without batting an eye.

i suggest you go crawl back under your rock and forget about making your feeble, lame comments about the actions of an honorable poster. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 11:14 AM:

" (Rohn Gordon - "...when she says she has no children that BDD replies by saying " oh now I see why you have no feelings about the unborn CHILD".)

That's a logical and understandable assumption, Rohn, but uhm.........let's find out, shall we?

How a bout it Susan? "

CrowWoman wrote on Feb 20, 2009 11:36 AM:

" Rohn Gordon (and BDD), if a stranger--particularly a stranger with whom I had had hostile words--asked me if I had any children, I probably would not provide a response.

Back to what you all are driving at--I don't know if there are any figures that show whether women who have children are more likely to be prolife than women who do not have children. It should be fairly easy to find out, though. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 1:08 PM:

" (CrowWoman - "Rohn Gordon (and BDD), if a stranger--particularly a stranger with whom I had had hostile words--asked me if I had any children, I probably would not provide a response.")

Well CrowWoman,

Since I never asked you, it's really not necessary for you to respond, is it.

("Back to what you all are driving at--I don't know if there are any figures that show whether women who have children are more likely to be prolife than women who do not have children. It should be fairly easy to find out, though.")

Who said that's what I was driving at CrowWoman?

Until I've revealed my motive; this debate is merely a strawman. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 20, 2009 1:26 PM:

" CrowWoman I understand what you are saying there, BUT I have seen susan tell him "yes I have answered your questions" is what I was saying. And as if a woman has no children makes her more tolerable to abortions I don't know, but in return I could see how it would.
But again I am NOT trying to speak for her or anyone else. "

Rotty wrote on Feb 20, 2009 1:27 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 PM:

"Why BDD nothing you say shows empathy for others, compassion, feelings other than self gratification, self rightousness, narciscism, even self hate. You really are a mess."

.......

Well looky there....
Suzie Q Shemphreys just described herself to a "T".
What a damn hypocrite!

Get out your Sunday best, Suzie, I hear Mr. A is ready for some action!
LOL!

Enlighten him all the way to hell, toots.
LOL!

“The mind is everything. What you think you become." "

father bob wrote on Feb 20, 2009 2:22 PM:

" CrowWoman wrote on Feb 20, 2009 11:36 AM:
" I don't know if there are any figures that show whether women who have children are more likely to be prolife than women who do not have children. It should be fairly easy to find out, though. """""

my wife and i have children, she has had an abortion, she is also pro-choice.

chances are you'll find opinions slanted both ways as are obvious in these boards. i just wonder how many more abotion-bashing letters the JG-TC will publish....it's kind of like their election campaign coverage. one sided and biased. "

CrowWoman wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:08 PM:

" Well, BlueDog, sometimes I can't resist throwing my two cents' worth in. That is probably true for most people who post here! "

CrowWoman wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:15 PM:

" It is interesting, about 15 or so years ago when I was more actively prolife, I found that older women seemed more likely to be pro-choice than younger women. I had two close friends at the time, both committed Christians, who were about 20 years older than me--and each one of them was pro-choice. I found the same to be true for several other women that I was acquainted with at the time. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:29 PM:

" Sorry Mr. Gordon, I have told him before it is none of his business. He uses the same wornout argument over and over again with homosexuals, you have to be one to have sympathy for them, with abortion, he uses it both ways either you have had one and that is why you fight for a womans right to choose or you have never been pregnant, (well he has also never been pregnant, now maybe he has a wife who has, but you can ask any woman it ain't quite the same thing). The question is just his way of changing the subject, he can't fight my argument so he tries to attack me. Simple tactics for a simple man. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 5:16 PM:

" (shumphreys - "Sorry Mr. Gordon, I have told him before it is none of his business.")

Then don't make baseless claims that I refuse to answer questions, Susan.

(shumphreys - "He uses the same wornout argument over and over again with homosexuals, you have to be one to have sympathy for them, with abortion, he uses it both ways either you have had one and that is why you fight for a womans right to choose or you have never been pregnant")

It's astounding that you can make those accusations Susan, since none of them are true. I don't "attack" homosexuals. And in a previous debate I asked if you were a lesbian, simply because I suspected that your alternative lifestyle was at the heart of your hatred of all things Christian. And you never answered that question either. And when did I ever make those claims about women who have had abortions, Susan? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 5:19 PM:

" You know Susan,

For someone who constantly harps on and on with "all that matters are peoples actions" you certainly are awfully closed-mouthed about your own actions, aren't you Susan. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 20, 2009 5:47 PM:

" The question is just his way of changing the subject, he can't fight my argument so he tries to attack me. Simple tactics for a simple man.

Amen!

His diversionary tactics are legendary on this site. To name a few: name calling, bullying, badgering, multi name posting, questioning other posters intelligence or stability. I could go on but you get the idea.

I've observed that those he goes after the hardest are those he can't really compete with. The more desperate he gets with some people, the more shrill he gets with his rediculous crowing. Yes, a simple man indeed.

But admit it, he does provide a lot of entertainment. Sort of like a cheap version of the radio comedian, Rush Limbaugh.

It used to be fun to try to figure out which phony names on the site that day were his, but lately he's sort of narrowed it down to just a few. Guess he wearing out. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 7:44 PM:

" A challenge to Susan and Harry;

Show me an example of when I couldn't fight anyone's argument or when I couldn't compete with someone.

And yes, I am simple.

I'm a simple, uneducated man.

Guilty as charged. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 7:55 PM:

" It's fascinating that Susan and Harry are unable to answer such simple questions from such a simple uneducated man such as me.

It truly is a paradox............. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 20, 2009 7:59 PM:

" Here Harry lists the very tactics that have become his favorite diversionary ploys:

(Harry wrote - "To name a few: name calling, bullying, badgering, multi name posting, questioning other posters intelligence or stability. I could go on but you get the idea.")

No need to go on Harry. We all get the idea. You're simply dishonest to the core aren't you, my friend. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 20, 2009 8:32 PM:

" * harry you can say bdd has multiple names until the cows come home * i'm not doh dohbaugh bdd neocon early bird or whomever else you can come up with * truth be known if you knew who i was you would crap your britches * try looking on your side of the aisle pal * anyone can sound like thee illustrious doh * heck it wouldn't be too hard to imitate you harry * nor would it be very difficult to mock father bob or some of the other regular posters * so you see harry the fun in this little game is observing your tiny little cranium spinning out of control * if you think you are the one with the big stirring stick think again pal * watching you have a complete meltdown has been absolutely hillarious * relax big fella and get back to debating the issues instead of playing with your stick * lol * "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 21, 2009 9:15 AM:

" The question is just his way of changing the subject, he can't fight my argument so he tries to attack me. Simple tactics for a simple man. "

Ouch!

Once again Susan gives the inept BBD another "smackdown". LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 21, 2009 10:26 AM:

" A smackdown Harry?

That's strange.

I just challenged you and Susan to cite an example of my inability to answer in a debate.

And I'm still waiting.......

So when you and Susan are unable to back-up your lies, it really constitutes a "smackdown" in your lexicon?

Really Harry?

So you're strategy is twofold eh?

You've decided to employ a lethal combination of stupidity and dishonesty, huh.

And that "works" for you huh, Mr PBK Key? "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 21, 2009 5:01 PM:

" BDD we don't need to prove anything, your words speak for themselves. All anyone has to do is scroll back through the comments on current letters. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 22, 2009 7:58 AM:

" " BDD we don't need to prove anything, your words speak for themselves. All anyone has to do is scroll back through the comments on current letters. "

Ouch! the "smackdowns" continue... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 22, 2009 10:00 AM:

" (shumphreys - "All anyone has to do is scroll back through the comments on current letters.")

I have Susan. And I don't see it. If I've been unable to answer a debate, if I've ran away from an argument, if my logic, rationale, of facts have been proven illogical, irrational, or false; then I am not aware of the particular occasion. And if this is a chronic occurrence on my part, well then, you and Harry should have no problem citing a particular incident in an instant. I would appreciate the opportunity to "redeem" my self.

If you and Harry are going to take the time to discredit my arguments Susan, then you should at least take the time to validate your criticism. Otherwise, you have just discredited your selves by making a baseless charge. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 22, 2009 8:00 PM:

" * and bdd returns the favor with a full nelson * "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 23, 2009 6:54 AM:

" Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 22, 2009 8:00 PM:

" * and bdd returns the favor with a full nelson * "

Thanks for once again proving my point, "Stanley". LOL!

Blowdog, you are so so so predictable. "

JR wrote on Feb 23, 2009 8:36 AM:

" For the record: I'm pro choice, but find abortion very distasteful. For me, it should stay legal because I don't feel as though I have the right to intrude upon another person's very personal decision here.

However, I do believe those who are "pro-choice" should start having the emotional courage to call it what it really is -- murder of an unborn child. Let's face it -- it isn't biological/gynological "freedom" or freedom of "choice" and "choice" only; it's stopping the life of a future human being (a human being very much like the rest of us here -- and aren't we glad Mommy didn't want the "freedom of choice" with us). To try and hide behind benign sounding rhetoric is quite cowardly here, and to trumpet the great blessing of "choice" while we all take in our own sweet breathe is the worst of hypocrisies.
So, if one chooses to have an abortion, one should be willing to face up to what one is doing in the act of prosecuting it.

Now, there are those who believe abortion should be illegal or severely restricted -- I understand their viewpoints, and respect them. They are allowed their opinion, and perhaps they do society a favor -- as apperantly the pro-choice faction has chosen to sweep the inconvenient truth of what abortion really is (and particularly the roots of the pro-choice movement in this country; please, Margaret Sanger was not an appealing person in real life, nor were some of her pet ideas; quit fictionalizing her -- while you're at it, quit glossing over Mr. DuBois' agreement with some of those ideas) -- perhaps we need the pro-lifers about as a counter weight...else we wind up like Russia. "

father bob wrote on Feb 23, 2009 9:44 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 21, 2009 9:15 AM:
"Ouch!

Once again Susan gives the inept BBD another "smackdown". LOL! """""

yep....followed by the inevitable tirade and denials all around.

pretty typical and very boring. nothing changes...... "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 23, 2009 11:01 AM:

" yep....followed by the inevitable tirade and denials all around.

pretty typical and very boring. nothing changes...... "

Yup, get a dig in at Blowdog, and old "Stanley" mysteriously shows up to help out everytime.

I think he has NeoCon is the shop for repairs. LOL! "

The Question wrote on Feb 23, 2009 12:24 PM:

" That's why people like myself and The Question quit arguing with him, Susan. If you don't answer a question to his liking he accuses you of hiding or not answering. He simply can't comprehend the concept of people having different opinions.
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I have found this web site to be a much more pleasant and rational reading experience since I started instantly translating the term "BlueDogDemocrat" as "Ignore Completely," Harry. "

shumphreys wrote on Feb 23, 2009 1:43 PM:

" JR many fertilized eggs spontaneously abort, do we call those spontaneous murders? Or do we use a term that appropriately describes what happens? An abortion, the word, just means stop from further development. It isn't murder or killing. I agree we should use terms carefully and appropriately. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:23 PM:

" I have found this web site to be a much more pleasant and rational reading experience since I started instantly translating the term "BlueDogDemocrat" as "Ignore Completely," Harry. "

I know TQ, but he's so easy, it's too hard to resist. LOL! "

father bob wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:24 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 23, 2009 12:24 PM:
"I have found this web site to be a much more pleasant and rational reading experience since I started instantly translating the term "BlueDogDemocrat" as "Ignore Completely," Harry. """"

i've found that i really don't have to read BDDorothy's posts, i already know what they contain.

one can get the gist of it all by reading the 1 or 2 sentence replies that others make, instead of reading 6 paragraphs of ranting, spitting and foaming at the mouth. "

The Curious wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:53 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 PM:
" Why BDD nothing you say shows empathy for others, compassion, feelings other than self gratification, self rightousness, narciscism, even self hate. You really are a mess. "

You are so right Susan, all these things you accuse others of are true of yourself. We can look back at all of your posts, and they prove it. "

The Curious wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:55 PM:

" Now then...
shumphreys wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:32 AM:
" Sorry BDD that is your twisted and perverted reasoning. AGAIN Compassion is all about preventing suffering.

Talking about yourself again there Susan. If compasion is about preventing suffering, then why are you here trying to cause so much suffering? "

The Curious wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:56 PM:

" Sorry, the word is Compassion.

shumphreys wrote on Feb 18, 2009 7:15 PM:
" BDD I don't hate anything or anyone. I respect women. AND as I have said many times what a woman does with her medical decisions is none of my business or yours. NOR is it mine nor yours to judge, condemn, lay a guilt trip on what they decide.

Then why Susan do you lay guilt trips and condemnation on anyone, everyone who has an opinion other than your own? "

The Curious wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:58 PM:

" "I agree we should use terms carefully and appropriately. "

LAUGH! Susan made a joke! "

The Question wrote on Feb 23, 2009 3:50 PM:

" Don't look now, but Sybil's personalities have just split like an amoeba again. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 23, 2009 4:03 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Feb 20, 2009 3:29 PM:

" Sorry Mr. Gordon, I have told him before it is none of his business

Dont be sorry susan I just asked a question that I had never seen answered.
I am on noones side. I just make statements as to what I feel at the time.

JR wrote on Feb 23, 2009 8:36 AM:

" For the record: I'm pro choice, but find abortion very distasteful. For me, it should stay legal because I don't feel as though I have the right to intrude upon another person's very personal decision here.

However, I do believe those who are "pro-choice" should start having the emotional courage to call it what it really is -- murder of an unborn child

Thats about exactly the way I feel JR.
But I also think that the state should NOT be able to tell me to use a seatbelt among other things. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 23, 2009 4:21 PM:

" Looks like The Drama Queen (AKA Question) is seeing shadows again. Maybe he'll whip up a snappy little Broadway Musical reference to bring this all around to his usual theme. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 23, 2009 5:11 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 23, 2009 4:21 PM:

" Looks like The Drama Queen (Stanley Stetson) is seeing shadows again. Maybe he'll whip up a snappy little Broadway Musical reference to bring this all around to his usual theme. " "

ed miller wrote on Feb 23, 2009 7:27 PM:

" Is it some sort of requirement that the paper has at least one abortion letter up at all times? "

The Question wrote on Feb 23, 2009 7:42 PM:

" Is it some sort of requirement that the paper has at least one abortion letter up at all times?
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Apparently so, Ed. And they always tell us so much we've haven't already heard for the last 40 years. "

Knowitall wrote on Feb 25, 2009 7:09 AM:

" 900 million dollars to rebuild the Gaza strip? Isreal will just knock it down again "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 25, 2009 7:39 PM:

" you guys and gals on here argue like your politicians or something, your opinions are nice but they don't change a thing and won't unless you run for office or something, basically you are all good arguers but I wouldn't recommend making a career out of it, get a hobby "

exbricklayer wrote on Feb 26, 2009 1:04 PM:

" The right to judge anyone else. Scum-Bag "