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Friday, February 6, 2009 10:45 PM CST
COLUMN: Time for Democrats, Republicans to work together on stimulus

By BILL LAIR, Managing editor
blair@jg-tc.com

The good news is that U.S. Senate leaders apparently have reached an agreement on an economic stimulus bill.

The bad news is that we will pay for that bill for years and years.

But something has to be done.

While I am not the biggest Obama fan on the block, I agree that the federal government needs to stem the flow of jobs going out the doors of businesses all over the country.

I think most Americans agree that something must be done.

But what?

We need an immediate stimulus to the economy but we also want something that can be sustained.

Is there such an animal?

Senate leaders reportedly reached agreement on a $780 billion package Friday.

It is smaller than the one that cleared the House on a party-line vote last week. It also is a decrease from the initial proposal before the Senate.

This package has a combination of tax breaks and federal spending.

I fall in the camp of those who primarily favor tax breaks over more spending.

I like the proposals that came out this week regarding tax deductions for purchases of cars and homes.

It’s no secret that people are not spending money.

The Associated Press reported Friday that the country lost 600,000 jobs last week and that the current 7.6 percent unemployment rate is the highest in 16 years.

Overall, the U.S. has lost 3.6 million jobs in recent months.

One economist pointed out that businesses are trying to survive so they slash payroll to cut costs.

Fewer people are working which means they aren’t buying. And those who are working worry that they might be next to get the office pink slip so they also are hanging on to their money.

Republicans, predictably, are holding out on the stimulus package. They correctly point out that it has a steep price.

I would like to believe they are sincere and that they aren’t just playing the politics game.

I suspect it’s a little of both.

But I do agree with Obama who said this week let’s not wait for the perfect plan before voting to do something.

There is no perfect plan.

Much was made earlier this week of a list compiled by House Republican leaders that they called wasteful provisions in the Senate’s stimulus bill.

The jaw-dropper in these parts was the “$2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.”

Unbelievable. FutureGen is not an earmark.

I realize that I am biased because the plant would be placed here but how can anyone deny that the world needs to find a way to burn coal more cleanly?

I am all for developing wind and solar energy. But you cannot replace coal with wind and solar. Not in the next decade anyway.

Coal is the primary source of power. If we want to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide that goes into the air from coal-powered utiltyplants then we have to find something to do with the emissions.

Science says the emissions can be captured and stored underground. And science said the best place for that is a site just west of Mattoon.

Barack Obama did not say that.

Geologists and utility officials from several countries said that after an extensive study.

House Republicans have since removed the FutureGen funding from its “waste” list.

But looking at the Republicans’ list, I agree there are some strange line items. Here are a few:

n A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

n $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.

n $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD’s.

n $75 million for “smoking cessation activities.“

n $500 million for state and local fire stations.

Those might be worthy projects but how they fit in an economic stimulus bill, I don’t know.

Still, the supposed “waste” list totaled $20 billion. The stimulus bill is close to $800 billion.

The $20 billion is about 3 percent of of the bill. You don’t vote against a bill because of 3 percent.

I do think Obama made a mistake by reminding Republicans who won the election.

That sounded almost as arrogant as George W. Bush who, after narrowly winning in 2004, said the election gave him some political capital and he was going to spend it.

He sure did, and that capital quickly disappeared.

True, Obama won the Electoral College vote 365-173 over John McCain.

But the popular vote was 69.5 million to 59.9 million. Obama won by fewer than 10 million votes out of almost 130 million cast.

People want to see elected officials working together.

We don’t want Republicans making a political stand just so they can stake a position for the next election.

And we don’t need Democrats going on a spending spree as though they just inherited Uncle Sam’s estate.

The U.S. needs a stimulus bill that will spark the economy and that taxpayers can handle on an installment plan.

Let’s vote.

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The Question wrote on Feb 7, 2009 8:31 AM:

" And did you also happen to notice that the Republicans have had no problem spending $3 billion A WEEK FOREVER to occupy and subjugate a nation that never attacked or threatened the U.S., Bill? Did it escape your awareness that Republican deregulatory fraud created the Ponzi-money "financial derivatives" and "credit default swaps" that WRECKED the world economy? Did you happen to notice that the national debt DOUBLED while under the exclusive control of the Republican Party? Did it enter your awareness that the Republicans took $12 billion in CASH on FORK LIFTS to Iraq, and watched it promptly disappear, nobody knows where (wink, wink, wink) and nobody cares? Did it bother you at all that the Republican administration gave NO-BID BILLION-DOLLAR CONTRACTS to companies that electrocuted U.S. troops in their showers and mass-murdered unarmed Iraqi civilians in the streets?
Did you find any of those to be "strange line items?"
So please, please, do us all a favor and spare us your "guardian of frugality" GOP claptrap. That's an insult to anyone's intelligence. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 7, 2009 9:21 AM:

" "We dont want Republicans making a political stand just so they can stake a position for the next election."
But that's exactly what they did. Envious of the enthusiasm with which Obama was inaugurated, they decided to slap him down by voting unanimously against his stimulus bill. We see Republicans making "lists" of the things Obama did "wrong" that they can use against him. And for every tiny bit of the Stimulus that doens't work perfectly, they can claim, "We voted against it".

I'm not personally very enthusiastic about your suggested that anyone who buys a new car should get a tax credit.
I bought a new car LAST year -- and might claim that in some tiny way I delayed the economic collapse -- so maybe I should file for an ex post facto tax credit.

Re FutureGen: you may speak of science approval of it, but any Republican would (as they have for the last 8 years) called it "Junk Science"if they disapproved of it. One man's prize project is another man's pork. If one looks at the items the Republicans have crossed out, one will find that in a great many cases they are for ideological reasons.

Also the first claim of Republicans was that there were some projects which would not get under way for 2 or 3 years. Aren't they smart enough to realize that if one should, for example, select only projects that will be completed in 2 years, surely it seems unlkedly we will experience full recovery that quickly, so then we would fall off ANOTHER cliff.

In sum, I think the unanimous vote of Republicans against the Stimulus was (a) ideological and (b) the hope that their vote against it would rile up the public against Obama. I can't name one -- perhaps there are some -- a professionally trained economist in the Republican House who can claim to be expert in the selection of a perfect Stimulus project.

So far as the general claim that it's too big, I didn't hear any of those Republicans making similar claims about spending during the Bush administration.
The Iraq war was declared, taxes were cut while soldiers went to war in inadequately armored vehicles -- and chickenhawk Republicans put "Support the Troops" stickers on their SUVs. One reason we are in such a mess is that George Bush sold our country to China while his wealthy friends enjoyed their tax breaks. Has anyone thought what would happen to our economnic system if (a) China stopped buying our bonds or (b) if they threw all our bonds they own on the world market next week???? "

The Question wrote on Feb 7, 2009 9:39 AM:

" As I was saying...
Defense contractor KBR Inc. has been awarded a $35 million Pentagon contract involving major electrical work, even as it is under criminal investigation in the electrocution deaths of at least two U.S. soldiers in Iraq.
The announcement of the new KBR contract came just months after the Pentagon, in strongly worded correspondence obtained by The Associated Press, rejected the company's explanation of serious mistakes in Iraq and its proposed improvements. A senior Pentagon official, David J. Graff, cited the company's "continuing quality deficiencies" and said KBR executives were "not sufficiently in touch with the urgency or realities of what was actually occurring on the ground." "

Read all over wrote on Feb 7, 2009 3:52 PM:

" I don't understand why virtually every paragraph in this column is a single sentence.

I know that that's a usual style with news articles.

But in editorial columns, it seems puzzling.

It works against the possibility of a sustained, reasonable argument.

Why?

Because it makes the presentation of ideas so choppy.

As I've tried to show here. "

joe hardy wrote on Feb 7, 2009 3:53 PM:

" The Question, Bush is out of office. Let it go. You may believe the Iraq war was unnecessary. Fine, that is your right. However, disagreements on one area of the budget does not mean that all reasonable debate about other spending policies should end. "

The Question wrote on Feb 7, 2009 4:21 PM:

" And if FutureGen were in Indiana, every Republican supporter here would be railing against it.
Such is the hypocrisy of pork.
And while Bush may be gone, the disasters he created live on.
I'll be glad to be quiet about him just as soon as he and Cheney are in prison, where they belong. "

The Question wrote on Feb 7, 2009 4:42 PM:

" You know, you Republicans disappoint me. Suddenly you want to forget your great hero, your "Decider," just two weeks after he's out of office.
For years, you lectured us about how, despite all the evidence to the contrary, your Chimpanzee in Chief was as smart as Lincoln and as brave as Batman, and "meant what he said and said what he meant."
You assured us that, just as Bush claimed, the voice of God spoke through him, and gave him those infallible gut instincts and whims that he used to govern so wisely.
Remember, he's that great cowboy leader you picked out of 300 million people as the tip-top best person to run this nation. You told us how wonderful he was, and how great those ruthless Republican economic policies of yours were.
Tell us again. Tell us how right you were, right wingers. "

Bps wrote on Feb 7, 2009 4:43 PM:

" So you two (The Question and Cognitus) think this is all a stupid ploy by those nasty Repubatards huh???

"Angry Voters Flood Capitol with Calls Against Stimulus"
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/05/angry-voters-flood-capitol-with-calls-against-stimulus/

Support for Stimulus Package Falls to 37%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37

Guess what, it isn't a stimulus plan- its a runaway spending bill and more folks are seeing it for what it is.

If this type of bill is any indication of the quality of thinking of the current majority and the rate the support for this idiot bill is going south, the Demoncrats shouldnt get to comfortable with their current majorities, can you say mid-term elections (ask Bill C. about it).

As far as Mr. Lairs But something has to be done."

Yes it does, but shouldn't we take the time to do the right things?

Because of the last ill conceived blow-out bill, we've already lost a major portion of our future income. Now let's add more ill conceived spending - of which the vast majority will not lead to a single long term job gained or saved to fix the problem?

If the LLL (Looney Liberal Libatrads) want to reward their constituencies, let them do it with their own money. To me it is no different from what the last Repubatard administration did for its buds on Wall Street. The times are too turbulent to allow either party to continue business as usually.

Due to the greedy, illegal and stupid acts of both parties this once great country is in the throws of something far worse than it has ever seen.

You thinking Great Depression?

Think GREATER Depression on top of runaway inflation (like the Carter years) and you might come close to whats most probably coming. This new boondoggle of debt wont do anything except make it worse.

Yea, do something but could the politicos at least take the time to do something right for a change. "

sister wrote on Feb 7, 2009 9:56 PM:

" President Obama's reminding republicans that he won was not done in an arrogant way. It was said in a lighthearted moment in the conversations with them. But I think it would be good to remember how well we have done under tax cuts, especially tax cuts with two wars. Of course, republicans had no problem with ANY of Bush's spending. Only thing that matters to them is tax cuts no matter what the problem is.....just tax cuts. I think a little more tax coming into the coffers right now would be a good thing. You know that top one percent might want to do a little giving back since they have been getting rich on the middle class's backs the last eight years. They sure didn't do any job creating!!! And by the way that money for firefighters, is money going to save some good middle class jobs. We have been doing it the republican way for 8 years and it is pretty obvious how that has worked out. "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 8, 2009 1:15 AM:

" ..."blinded by the light"... "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 8, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Funny that those whining about the stimulus package are calling it a pork laden spending bill, and not a stimulus package, are the same ones crying about Mattoon not getting FutureGen, and jumped up and down over the federal funding for the old train station remodeling. You have to wonder what the good folks in Arizona or Iowa think about the funding for the train station overhaul? The old saying about it only being pork if it's in the other guys back yard appears to be true. "

The Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 9:56 AM:

" You said it, sister. "

The Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 10:21 AM:

" Michael Steele, the newly elected chairman of the Republican National Committee, arranged for his 2006 Senate campaign to pay a defunct company run by his sister for services that were never performed, his finance chairman from that campaign has told federal prosecutors.
Ah, yes. Another GOP guardian of morality and integrity for you right wingers. "

red,white,blue wrote on Feb 8, 2009 1:53 PM:

" Sister honey, tax cuts brought more money into the coffers over the last 8 years, not less. Our economy's way of working out its own stimulus package. Let the people do it and not government. But I'm quite sure you and many others who post here are perfectly happy with our money going to support groups like ACORN which has already been found guilty of cheating and is under investigation in many other areas, all favoring the Democrats of course. "

The Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 4:03 PM:

" Sister honey, tax cuts brought more money into the coffers over the last 8 years, not less.
---
What great news. In that case, reduce all taxes to zero, and government revenues will increase by 1,000 percent. Right? "

ed miller wrote on Feb 8, 2009 7:52 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 7, 2009 8:31 AM:
" Did it enter your awareness that the Republicans took $12 billion in CASH on FORK LIFTS to Iraq, and watched it promptly disappear"

How many forklifts would it take to haul the TRILLION dollars your party wants to blow in their first couple of weeks in office? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:09 AM:

" John McCain's own ACORN connection
ACORN seems unhappy in its new role as a villain, cast by John McCain's campaign and others on the right as being part of a constellation of shadowy leftists behind Barack Obamas throne.

Maybe the McCain camp's call for an investigation of ties between the group and the Obama campaign was the last straw, because on Monday ACORN started reminding people that as recently as March 2006 McCain himself appeared at an event the group sponsored. At the time, the Republican nominee was still campaigning for the immigration reform deal that nearly killed his presidential hopes.

From Salon.Com

Must be a different ACORN, huh rwb? After all no good Republican would be associated with such an evil organization. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:33 AM:

" ed miller wrote on Feb 8, 2009 7:52 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 7, 2009 8:31 AM:
" Did it enter your awareness that the Republicans took $12 billion in CASH on FORK LIFTS to Iraq, and watched it promptly disappear"

How many forklifts would it take to haul the TRILLION dollars your party wants to blow in their first couple of weeks in office?

It looks like our friend eddie has taken up the technique of answering a question by asking you one of your own, TQ. Sort of reminds me of the another weasel in that regard. That's been Blowie's style for as long as he's been posting on here.

And I don't recall eddie whining when Bush was throwing no strings attached money out the window a couple of months ago.

And that money won't be "blown" without the help of some from YOUR party, now will it, eddie?

I expect the stimulus package will pass in spite of all the whining and crying from eddie and his sob sister ilk. "

The Question wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:59 AM:

" As John V. Santore observed, one difference between Obama and Bush is that Bush never even knew enough to make any good decisions. But Obama does.
Bush never cared enough to make any good decisions, either. So he didn't make any. "

Becky wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:12 AM:

" Tax cuts are good but along with that we need to SLASH SPENDING not increase it. Our govt is way too big and it's spend crazy. Nobody's speaking about slashing spending. Why? "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:38 AM:

" I can not see them ever getting along. There is no way they will want to face their own if they agree with the other. Its time we ALL start acting like AMERICANS ONLY. FORGET the Republicans vs. Democrats crap. Any person that can set here and say that their group has NOT done wrong by us US citizens is telling a LIE. They all do it. You can find good and bad on any politician. So why waste time taking turns swinging it around to where it makes your group look best. Get OUT of the groups and unite. I do not think any Republican wants to see our country fail because a Democrat is the president. We should ALL look for and point out any and all lies or tricks that Obama pulls, if there are any. We should do it for ALL of our elected people, from the city on up and everywhere in between. "

The Question wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:48 AM:

" Nobody's speaking about slashing spending. Why?
---
Because "slashing spending" right now will plunge us into a Great Depression instantly, Becky. "

The Question wrote on Feb 9, 2009 12:10 PM:

" As Robert Parry noted, it was only three years ago, when the Republicans had control of both the White House and Congress - and filibuster was a dirty word.
It was usually coupled with obstructionist amid demands that any of George W. Bushs proposals deserved an up-or-down vote.
Now, with the Democrats holding the White House and Congress, the Republicans and the Washington press corps have come to view the filibuster as a time-honored part of a healthy legislative process. "

The Question wrote on Feb 9, 2009 12:24 PM:

" As Ann Pettifor pointed out, while wages and salaries SHRANK as a share of the economy -- to the lowest level since the government began recording data in 1947 -- banks SHOWERED Americans with credit cards. 'Easy money' was spread around like confetti. And government urged Americans to spend, spend, spend. George Bush famously said "Shopping is patriotic" in late September, 2001. "

father bob wrote on Feb 9, 2009 12:26 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:38 AM:
"We should ALL look for and point out any and all lies or tricks that Obama pulls, if there are any. We should do it for ALL of our elected people, from the city on up and everywhere in between. """"

this part i agree with, but the repukes are just witch hunting right now. the grandstanding and posturing will come back to bite them once again.

they have no interest in the welfare of the people, just the appearance they're trying to make. they are at the very least morally corrupt. "

father bob wrote on Feb 9, 2009 1:00 PM:

" Becky wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:12 AM:
" Tax cuts are good but along with that we need to SLASH SPENDING not increase it. Our govt is way too big and it's spend crazy. Nobody's speaking about slashing spending. Why? """"

this really has nothing to do with the size of government. it has everything to do with getting spendable cash into the hands of those who will spend it. the economy depends on cash flow...and no one has any cash, and little credit. those two things are what they're trying to address right now. "

Mike P wrote on Feb 9, 2009 1:22 PM:

" This summer they need to have a wilderness team building retreat. Except for the elderly and infirm, they need to pair up moderates of either party, with extremists of the other. Hold daily three legged races, wheelbarrow downhills, canoe trips, and they can only talk to each other for the two weeks. One gets the rules and events for the day, and has to tell the other one what they are, and they have to actually work together.

Funny how this paper is so vocal about here is what we need to do, when they aren't even this interested in local government issues. Failure at the national level, begins at the local level. Our area has been directly contributing to state and federal decline, for decades.

Futuregen is pork. Its the definition of pork spending. An Illinois refinery, spent 2 billion to increase its production by 1/3. Other groups are moving with the ideas behind futuregen, and not looking for 2 billion to do it that has been published yet. A huge partnership, should have been able to do it more cost effectively, and get the federal funding reduced, if not completely eliminated. Its not as ground breaking technology now. In the ocean off northern europe they have a facility thats been sequestering carbon for years now. Why would something of this nature, be set on 2 billion in federal funding, if it was remotely vaible, to do it without it?

Ted Stevens was sending pork to Alaska, millions at a time, to turn coal into liquid fuel. They are doing it at an airforce base research facility up there. His last bacon sent home, happened while he was on trial, ironicly enough. It was pork too, and there is no such thing as clean coal. "

Becky wrote on Feb 9, 2009 2:44 PM:

" How could slashing spending, let's say by bringing all troops home and slashing our massive military budget in half cause a depression? How could slashing spending on, let's say, stopping congress critters going to Dubai with a staff of 8, along with 13 other congress critters and their staffs for a very expensive "summit meeting" that could very well be done via webcams for the most part cause a depression. How could slashing of government yearly conventions of thousands of workers saving hundreds of millions of dollars yearly cause a depression? There is so much WASTED spending by DC that could be slashed and we the people wouldn't even know it was gone. Just the fat cats who reach in our pockets for their fun and good times at our expense would feel the pinch. I say TOUGH! Last year alone, $100 MILLION dollars was wasted by the federal government on airline tickets that was never used and never cancelled. That's the kind of slashing I'm talking about and so how will any of this spending cuts create another depression? Also they could totally eliminate the Board of Education and let the states take that responsibility back over. This is just a few of the ways to cut spending and there's thousands of other ways too. Like stupid research projects that are done over and over the same way, with the same results over and over and yet they keep funding them.

Sorry about the rant folks but I'm sick and tired of the government asking us to constantly cut back, learn to live with less, learn to budget better and then they turn around and spend, spend, spend. There could be massive cuts in wasteful spending along with this stimulus bill. Where's that talk at? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 3:01 PM:

" A sampling of the online features from the fair and balanced folks at Fox news:

An 'Abomination'
Has President Obama really been in charge in the stimulus debate?

Senator DeMint accuses Democratic colleagues of being hostile toward religion....

The One Thing Obama has turned message of hope into one of doom and gloom.....

Did President Obama mock Republicans over stimulus bill?

Yup, they report we decide. LOL! Don't forget what Tommy A says, "Thank God for Fox news". "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Hey, if they want the economy stimulated, give me some money, I'll be happy to stimulate the heck out of it. I've been eyeballing those big screen TVs at Walmart for quite a while. Never mind, that would probably just stimulate China's economy. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 9, 2009 4:12 PM:

" According to a front-page report by the Washington Post, we can expect billions in waste with the current stimulus plan, thanks to a lack of control over the spending mechanisms in DC.

The Washington Post (Feb 9 2009)

"The Obama administrations economic stimulus plan could end up wasting billions of dollars by attempting to spend money faster than an overburdened government acquisition system can manage and oversee it, according to documents and interviews with contracting specialists."

++++++++

Let's all take a huge bite of this excrement sandwich.

Mmmmmmmmm.....goooooood!

You can really taste the Obama! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Hey father bob, do think NeoCon might have gone the way of Stanley Stetson?

Shucks! I'm going to miss all of those kudos "NeoCon" throws to the maggot. I hope Blowdog brings him back soon. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 4:39 PM:

" Boy, Blowdoggy sure has some strange tastes in food. I certainly wouldn't want to go to his house for lunch. Whew! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 9, 2009 5:30 PM:

" Oh this sandwich is all your creation Harry.

You and all the other lemmings who put this community organizer into power.

So how about all that waste in your Stimulus plan Harry? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 6:36 PM:

" Sounds like the maggot is trying to get others into his weird tastes. I think he's going to have a bit of difficulty getting anyone else agreeing to his rather unusual taste in cuisine. His disclosure as to his taste in food confirms what I have been thinking all along. Knowing what we know now, maggot seems an appropriate moniker for this weirdo. Yuck! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 6:51 PM:

" Darn that libtard governor!

Gov. Charlie Crist will Stand With Pres Obama in Florida
The White House has just announced that President Obama will be campaigning for the stimulus plan tomorrow in Fort Myers, Florida where hell be introduced by Republican Governor Charlie Crist.

Its odd to think that Crist who hit the campaign trail in a big way for John McCain last year, and has been courted to run for the open Senate seat has now broken ranks in such a conspicuous manner as to publicly appear with Obama.

Its not just that, but his official statement praises Obama

"borrowed" from Coonsey's World.

Will Palin be next? "

ed miller wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:05 PM:

" The Multi-Generational Financial Rape Act of 2009 has passed in the U.S. Senate.

Congratulations to Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. You deserve all the credit for this bill passing, and I mean that will all sincerity. You own this bill, lock, stock and barrel. All the blame that will thunder down upon you in years to come. All the anger, distrust, and blind hatred that will result from your short-sightness and political greed. You've earned it all.

To their credit, not a single Republican voted for the House version of this toxic pork-laden spending bill, the stench of which was so bad than even 11 conscientious House Democrats could not vote for it

In the Senate, partisanship was equally strong, without a single Democratic Senator having the moral courage to vote against a bill destined to cause long-term economic harm.

According to the COB, the whole trillion dollar mess was unnecessary...

CBO anticipates that the current recession, which started in December 2007, will last until the second half of 2009, making it the longest recession since World War II.

This recession, however, may not result in the highest unemployment rate. That rate, in CBO's forecast, rises to 9.2 percent by early 2010 (up from a low of 4.4 percent at the end of 2006) but is still below the 10.8 percent rate seen near the end of the 19811982 recession.

In preparing its economic forecast, CBO assumes that current laws and policies governing federal spending and taxes do not change. This forecast, therefore, does not include the effects of a possible fiscal stimulus package.

On that basis, CBO anticipates that real GDP will drop by 2.2 percent in calendar year 2009, a steep decline.

CBO expects the economy to begin a slow recovery in the second half of 2009 and to grow by a modest 1.5 percent in 2010 "

ed miller wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:34 PM:

" Obama said that "economists from across the political spectrum agree" in support of the plan, and in a Jan. 9 press conference, he declared: "There is no disagreement that we need action by our government -- a recovery plan that will help to jump-start the economy."

Tired of hearing this insipid "everybody agrees" argument, the libertarian Cato Institute produced an open-letter response ad

[http://tinyurl.com/djudcy]

featuring the bold headline: "With all due respect, Mr. President, that's not true." The open letter has now been signed by more than 200 economists "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:37 PM:

" Bps:""Angry Voters Flood Capitol with Calls Against Stimulus"
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/05/angry-voters-flood-capitol-with-calls-against-stimulus/

Support for Stimulus Package Falls to 37%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37"

Exactly as I said; Note the time indicated for these calls. They did not come when the BUSH stimulus bill was passed. They came within the last week after Republicans stirred up their "hate the Stimulus' stew and fed it to their Obama-hating buddies.
Their attitude, "We're going to show this black guy how tough we are." "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:43 PM:

" * harry, please keep your envy in check * would you like some yellow mustard with your lemming sandwich * lol * "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:50 PM:

" "Becky wrote on Feb 9, 2009 2:44 PM:
" How could slashing spending, let's say by bringing all troops home and slashing our massive military budget in half cause a depression? "
Becky, I hate to admit it, but war -- and the material it requires -- creates jobs.
Followers of Keynes point out that in the end, it was WW II that ended the
depression. If people could have been convinced in 1932 to spend millions of government dollars building trash and dumping it into the ocean, the depression would have ended much sooner.
It took a "cause" to convince people to do exactly that: spend millions on trash and shoot it up around the world. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:54 PM:

" HPotter wrote:"Senator DeMint accuses Democratic colleagues of being hostile toward religion...."

This is an example of the arrogance and stupidity of Republicans in general and DeMint in particular.

In an effort to make political points, he inserts religion into a serious debate about a serious problem. Instead of wasting his time and salary in DC, why doesn't he just go home and pray for the end of the recession???
What a jerk. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:59 PM:

" Obama showed tonight he can face the heat and describe his position in clear, clean English.

One commentator stated an apt description of George Bush under similar circumstances. "Watching George Bush trying to find the end of a sentence is like watching a fat woman, carrying a bag of groceries, trying to walk across an icy street." "

ed miller wrote on Feb 9, 2009 10:03 PM:

" Cognitus wrote on Feb 9, 2009 9:37 PM:
" Their attitude, "We're going to show this black guy how tough we are."

The Bush "stimulus" didn't cost a trillion dollars and buy us new dog parks. Yes, mailing people checks doesn't work. People know that is short term and will pay off credit cards or pay their power bill. Bush and the Republicans did spend wildly. If not for the promises by Democrats to spend even more wildly and to surrender in Iraq ASAP, we probably would have voted them out of office sooner. Now that The Messiah and Democrats are in control, judging from their "Stimulus" bill, it appears their problem with Bush is that he didn't spend enough! I never understood why liberals hated Bush so, he was one of them when it came to big spending. He promised a new era of bi-partisanship, yet he let Reid and Pelosi railroad this thing through. Not to mention, he never mentions where this money will come from.

Nice to see that you are using the race card again. So, I guess all of us who don't want to mortgage our future with this porkfest must be racists. Listen, No one gives a flip that Barack Obama has 1) a Muslimish name and 2) that he's 1/2 black. At this point, people are concerned about how his economic policies will affect the country. People are concerned about whether he has the chops to keep America safe. People are wondering if they made a mistake voting for Barack Obama--not because he's black, but because the chief criticism against him has so far been valid: he's inexperienced and doesn't seem to know what the heck he's doing.

Would that the press and people like you could get over their skin-tone fetish. It certainly is difficult to be a post-racial world when all you're focusing on is a man's skin color instead of his character and accomplishments (or lack thereof). Enough already! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 10, 2009 7:55 AM:

" SURPRISE!: Geithner wins internal debate over how closely feds should oversee banks

From The New York Times Feb 9 2009

"Mr. Geithner, who will announce the broad outlines of the plan on Tuesday, successfully fought against more severe limits on executive pay for companies receiving government aid.

He resisted those who wanted to dictate how banks would spend their rescue money. And he prevailed over top administration aides who wanted to replace bank executives and wipe out shareholders at institutions receiving aid...

A second component of the plan would broadly expand, to $500 billion to $1 trillion, an existing $200 billion program run by the Federal Reserve to try to unfreeze the market for commercial, student, auto and credit card loans...."

ARE YOU READY FOR THE NOT SO BIG SURPRISE HYPOCRISY FOLKS?

HERE WE GO:

"And for all of its boldness, THE PLAN LARGELY REPEATS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S APPROACH OF DEFERRING TO MANY OF THE SAME COMPANIES AND EXECUTIVES WHO HAD PEDDLED RISKY LOANS AND INVESTMENTS AT THE HEART OF THE CRISIS AND FAILED TO FORESEE MANY OF THE PROBLEMS PLAGUING THE MARKETS."

+++++++

Ah yes.

More Change you can believe in........ "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 7:59 AM:

" Listen, No one gives a flip that Barack Obama has 1) a Muslimish name and 2) that he's 1/2 black.

That comment probably says a lot more about you than the rest of your usual anti Obama rants, eddie. "

The Question wrote on Feb 10, 2009 8:31 AM:

" Becky, I hate to admit it, but war -- and the material it requires -- creates jobs.
---
And other government spending creates the same amount of more productive jobs.
You don't have to blow up buildings and occupy other countries to create jobs. You can improve your own infrastructure and productivity instead. "

The Question wrote on Feb 10, 2009 8:35 AM:

" The Bush "stimulus" didn't cost a trillion dollars and buy us new dog parks.
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NO. It cost us three-quarters of a trillion, and bought us NOTHING AT ALL so far, except more giant bonuses and salaries for the bankers who caused this disaster. "

father bob wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 7:59 AM:
" Listen, No one gives a flip that Barack Obama has 1) a Muslimish name and 2) that he's 1/2 black.

That comment probably says a lot more about you than the rest of your usual anti Obama rants, eddie. """""

funny how the ones who "don't give a flip" keep bringing it up...and you're right HP, it speakes volumes. i wonder where andres is.....he's usually good for an "i'm not a bigot" rant about once a month. "

jayce wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:39 AM:

" Time for Obama and the dems AND the three repubs to rememeber an old "poor Richard Almanac( aka Benjamin Franklin)
saying---HASTE MAKES WASTE. It's been hurry, hurry and sneek in things like a dog park, a frisbee field and all the other pork. Like the other poster it isn't about color. I personally don't care if he is black, white, red, yelow or polkadot. It's about the economy and not running scared stupid. Well we could be singing that old song by Tennessee Ernie Ford "Sixt more days and what did we get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter don't call me cause I can't go--I owe my soul to the company (government) store. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:45 AM:

" Harry what difference does his skin color make?? It makes NO decisions,contributions,policies, or answers. So I don't see what difference it makes. Harry I thought you was no racist?? When people make statements about skin color or gender, like that are being racist. Everyone needs to let the skin color drop, it has nothing to do with anything at all. He is the President. Paint him yellow,purple,green or "WHITE" he will still be the same man. I love watching you guys on here yapping back and forth about rep vs dem, it is funny as all get out. But when people start yapping about skin color then that is ridiculous and old. And as to the rep vs dem I will say it again " there is GOOD and BAD in BOTH". Just like all the different colored people in the world. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 10, 2009 10:23 AM:

" Let's inject some factual information into "The Bush Stimulus".

The bailouts of last year were pushed through Congress by the Democrats.

HOWEVER, Republicans balked at the massive TARP program, which Obama criticized in his press conference last night.

The Bush administration didnt partner with Republican leadership to get that passed; they had to get the Democrats to pass it, and Democrats have controlled Congress for the last two years.

AND the economic crisis came from the collapse of the housing market bubble created by the very sort of intervention that Obama proposes.

I give you the "Regulation" of The Community Reinvestment Act and the "Regulated" fraud of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

ALL of which were controlled by Democrats in Congress, who by the way FOUGHT OFF ALL ATTEMPTS OF FURTHER REGULATION BY REPUBLICANS.

In fact, Democrats in Congress even attempted to discredit the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight on numerous occassions.

The economic collapse started with the Congressional Democrats REGULATION.
Only then, was it further exacerbated by Wall Street's deregulation.

Let's get the horse in front of the cart here, shall we? "

Becky wrote on Feb 10, 2009 11:40 AM:

" "Exactly as I said; Note the time indicated for these calls. They did not come when the BUSH stimulus bill was passed"

Oh, yes they did! DC don't listen to us little people anymore. "

Becky wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:01 PM:

" I just came up with the answer!!! Why don't we get Rummy to find that 2.3 TRILLION dollars that the Pentagon "lost" under his watch. That would pay for all of it, both the bail out and the stimulis with some left over.

Okay Donald, where is it please? "

The Question wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:10 PM:

" As Prof. William K. Black observed, the bankers have convinced both the Bush and Obama administrations that the taxpayers should be looted to bail out risk capital. We should stop listening to the folks that caused the crisis. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:11 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 10, 2009 8:31 AM:
" You can improve your own infrastructure and productivity instead. "

How are dog parks and frisbee golf courses improving infrastructure? We don't need to increase our productivity, we can do nothing and the government will send us checks every month. ie tax rebates to people who don't pay taxes.

P.S. Cognitus brought up race, not me. "

The Question wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:19 PM:

" "Work together?" What a laugh.
Here's how the propagandists at Fox News show their glaring, naked Republican bias at every opportunity.

MSNBC headline: Senate OKS Stimulus Plan
--
CBS headline: Senate Passes $838B Stimulus Bill
--
ABC headline: Senate Passes Obama's $838 Billion Economic Recovery Plan By a Vote of 61-37
--
Fox News headline: Senate OKs 'Spendulus' Bill. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:26 PM:

" From Walter Williams,

In stimulus package language, if Congress taxes to hand out money, one person is stimulated at the expense of another, who pays the tax and is unstimulated. A visual representation of the stimulus package is: Imagine you see a person at work taking buckets of water from the deep end of a swimming pool and dumping them into the shallow end in an attempt to make it deeper. You would deem him stupid. That scenario is equivalent to what Congress and the new President proposes for the economy. "

Mike P wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:28 PM:

" Investors who might be interested in buying the bundled debts, want rock bottom pennies on the dollar prices, and assurances losses will be absorbed by the US, i.e taxpayers, before they will give it further thought. They refuse to be forced to hold these bundles for long terms, and would be more than happy to participate if the price and guaranteed returns are right. US needs to take 25 percent of the losses, off the top, is what they also propose.

Isn't this pretty much what caused the bulk of the crisis in the first place. Bailout 1 bought bad debt, at way above its current value. Reading some of the reports on it, that are now emerging, it was more inept than conceivably possible in its use. Companies in essence were rewarded for their bad decisions and financing. Bad debt bundles should have possibly been seized by the government, and let the chips fall where they may, on the ones holding the bag, when it fell apart. This twisted game of hot potato lending practices, needs some burned fingers, to send the message, even if lax regulation and oversight allows irresponsible behavior, do it right or face all possible future risks, including held bad asset seizure.

Investors should not be writing the underwriting of the terms of bad debt disposition. Two for me, one for you accounting methods is exactly what we need to get away from, when the taxpayers are placed in the fixing problems end of the equation, rather than just on the predatory lending end of it. Eventually the predatory lending needs confronted and all participants stung from it.

Some of these companies, banks and holding companies, need to fail, for being so careless. Investigate on the consumer protection front, and spread the losses from the primary lenders, to the end bad loan holders. Unless there is some defined carnage in the wake of this, directly in the lending aspects of it, don't let this happen again, here is a free pass for the lapses in judgement, should not be funded by taxpayers in any way. Tax dollars used for solving this should be the ones getting paid back first, and seing a return on the investment first. Not last and first to see and cover additional losses. There is no incentive to do it right, beyond what will see investors profit large or small, in their proposal for giving them the keys to this safe. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:35 PM:

" I heard he checked a Mexican joke book out of the library last week, fb. No doubt he's preparing for the next thread about immigration to come along, so he can try out his new material. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:45 PM:

" A GOP group is putting Republican lawmakers "on notice," threatening to campaign against anyone who breaks ranks to vote for the more than $800 billion economic recovery package.

The National Republican Trust PAC put out a statement Tuesday claiming it would provide financial support for primary challengers to any stimulus-supporting Republican in the next election.

Fox online-

Let's see if the Republican senators have more guts than the House pubs who followed Limbaugh's orders like a bunch of brain dead sheep.

Anyone remember what happened to that Republican House member who criticised Limbaugh publicly? He was forced to call the Limbaugh show and ask for forgiveness. I almost felt sorry for the poor guy.

Let's just see if the Republican Senators are willing to be lead around like sheep by Limbaugh like the House Republicans are. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 10, 2009 1:32 PM:

" * father bob wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 AM: *
* funny how the ones who "don't give a flip" keep bringing it up...and you're right HP, it speakes volumes. i wonder where andres is.....he's usually good for an "i'm not a bigot" rant about once a month. *

* funny how the ones who "pretend to give a flip" keep bringing it up * it speaks volumes * he's usually good for an "i'm not a bigot" rant about once a month? * funny how the ones who "don't give a flip" keep bringing it up * it speaks volumes * "

father bob wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:06 PM:

" woe is me.....all is lost!

all hope is lost in less than 3 weeks... we're doomed! "

father bob wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:55 PM:

" and now for something completely different!!.....some levity.

This year, taxpayers will receive an Economic Stimulus Payment. This is a very exciting new program that I will explain using the Q and A format:

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?

A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

Q. Where will the government get this money?

A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?

A. Only a smidgen.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?

A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?

A. Shut up. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 4:09 PM:

" Now come on TQ, are you trying to say that the good folks at Fox news might have a little bias? You know they're fair and balanced, and that they report so we can decide.

Besides that, you know they regularly took the Bush administration to task on a daily basis.

I'm sure that Spendulus headline was a typo, and they will no doubt be putting out a correction. Besides they probably meant to say Spendforus.

Need I remind you what Tom Andres tells us? Tom says "Thank God for Fox news".... "

The Question wrote on Feb 10, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Harry, this afternoon Fox News tried to pass off an unaltered Republican Party press release as the work of its own reporters.
It happened on this afternoon's edition of Fox News' Happening Now, in a segment on the stimulus package that was preceded by this introduction by host Jon Scott: "We thought we'd take a look back at the bill, how it was born, and how it grew, and grew, and grew."
How do we know that what followed was in fact a GOP press release? Because it included a typo made in the original press release from the Senate Republican Communications Center, quoting a Wall Street Journal report that supposedly appeared on "12/19/09." "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 6:01 PM:

" Sadly, they have no shame, TQ. Evidently now that Bush is gone they are taking their cues from the RNC and not the White house as they have for the last eight years. "

oldschool wrote on Feb 10, 2009 7:40 PM:

" Mr. Lair...NO we don't want the two parties to work together. That means giving up on ones principles. Besides bipartisan in Washington usually means the Republicans grabbing the ankels and giving into the Dems demands. (which never has gotten them any credit) If the Republicans would have embraced a "conservative" Ideal and principle leading into the election (with a conservative candidate) this election would have turned out differently. I'm sure the Dems and media loved having McCain as the Republican candidate.

Liberalism as always....needs to be defeated. Until this happens we "conservatives" need to stay true to our beliefs and principles and that means NOT backing down to the liberals with the socialist agenda...ever.

We lost the election because of a hyperactive, history embracing media, a very smooth Obama, and a very lousy left of center Republican candidate McCain. However the BIG factor...a far left "Democratic" manipulated and carefully orchestrated financial meltdown executed back in September 08 with a withdrawl/run of 565 billion dollars on money market funds. Those involved (George Soros anyone?) WILL be brought to justice along with the clowns from Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae and Dems in Congress. We need to stop liberals in Congress more than ever ...NOW is the time for NO bipartisan, trust me on this one. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:04 PM:

" Well how about that? After calling "old school" out, his spelling and sentence structure mysteriously got better. Way to go Blowdog! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 PM:

" Sorry about that folks. Our friend Doh aka BlueDogDemocrat posts under so many names on here that I mistakenly mixed two of his pseudonyms up. (old school and cedric66) Cedric66 is the one he uses with the bad grammar, while old school, like Stanley Stetson and NeoCon are used for giving himself kudos. Again, sorry for any confusion, but I'm sure you can see how it could happen. "

techman wrote on Feb 10, 2009 10:00 PM:

" It is no wonder there are so many college graduates that do not have a clue about real life. Reading some of the professors from EIU blather on the this site is proof of just how far in left field the educational system is. If I am not mistaken, the Democrats have controlled both the Senate and the House since 2006. Rangel, Dodd, Clinton, & Carter hold much of the responsibility of the ongoing credit problems, as explained in the posts above.
Why is Future Gen pork? Because there are several for profit corporations accomplishing the same processes today.
I personally would prefer that the republican proposal eliminating all payroll taxes this year (FICA & Income)be the one and only package. That way I would realize a approximate 25% pay raise. I could then decide how to spend my own money instead of the political class deciding. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 10, 2009 10:31 PM:

" * dohbaugh really needs to keep his envy in check * thoust doest protest too much dohbaugh * you know what they say * the smeller is the feller * remember, you were at fort bliss for almost two years in the early 60's * "

The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 6:30 AM:

" Perfectly understandable, Harry. Doggy Doh should consider using the name "Sybil" for his next sock puppet. "

The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 10:27 AM:

" Bob Herbert noted that he thinks of all the guys who used to listen to Rush Limbaugh while driving to or from work, but are now tuning in from their living rooms because the benefits of the GOP's right-wing, tax-cutting ideology never quite trickled down to them and they are now jobless. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 11, 2009 10:33 AM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 10, 2009 12:19 PM:

" "Work together?" What a laugh.
Here's how the propagandists at Fox News show their glaring, naked Republican bias at every opportunity.

Did you ever stop and think maybe thats how they feel?? You know to each his own. And from what little I have read there is MANY MANY people who feel that way about the stim package, including many democrats. So I don't know if its right or wrong myself only time will tell. But I don't see a lot that will stimulate the economy. I am kinda like Harry here "show me the cash", would sure stimulate me. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 11, 2009 10:36 AM:

" Well folks,

The mutli-personality paranoia disorder on the Left has finally reached critical mass in here.

We now have a consensus from the peanut gallery that I (a simple, humble, uneducated man) am really posting as virtually anyone and everyone who presents any counter opinion to these nut-cases.

How many names have they accused me of using so far? 12? 20? 30?

If anyone wants to play "I'm BlueDog today", just post a compliment to me and viola! You'll be me!

ROFLMAO "

warrior wrote on Feb 11, 2009 10:47 AM:

" Stop Government Spending is the only way to get back on track.

*You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom.

*What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

*The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

*When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

* You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 11, 2009 10:56 AM:

" Ok lets be fair here. I have been blogging only a couple months and I love it. But as to the multiple names being 1 person I say this. I see way more people patting Harry on the back than I do BDD. Harry can not say hardly a thing that TQ and fb* don't drop to their knees and and give praise to. Again I am not saying they are or are not the same person but it sure looks strange. I must admit that I have agreed with some of just about everyones here posts.
* fb is NOT in caps and will never be I have no respect at all for him and his stupidly off the wall racist remarks, "

The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 12:04 PM:

" Monday's Gallup poll found that 80 percent of American voters think that passing an economic stimulus proposal is important or very important (51 percent very important, 29 percent important).
Yet EVERY Republican voted no in the House -- and ALL BUT THREE voted against it in the Senate.
Sounds like one party is so far out of touch, it's spinning in orbit.
Who are the "moonbats" now, eh? LOL. "

The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 12:35 PM:

" The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
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The government can and should, however, prevent capitalist crooks from stealing trillions with fraudulent "financial derivatives" and "credit default swaps." It did not, because Republicans supposedly think that a "deregulated free market" is self-correcting.
Actually, many of them knew very well what was happening. But they were paid off by the crooks. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:08 PM:

" I see way more people patting Harry on the back than I do BDD.

Probably because the other guys almost breaks his arm patting himself on the back bragging about how brilliant he is, Rohn. That's his whole purpose of posting under so many different names. No one says what he want to hear, so he has to create imaginary fans for himself. Pretty pathetic if you think about it.

And as for fb and The Question, yes we do seem to be on the same wave length politically. I do on occasion disagree with both of them, but when you consider that I agree with both of them 99 percent of the time, I see no purpose in point out any minor disagreements with either one of them. I won't speak for either of them, but I'm sure they disagree with me on occasion too. Like minded people, from both sides usually refrain from expressing any disagreement with each other. We all save that for the opposition. "

mopyjoe wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:24 PM:

" I've been reading this blog for a year now and I've seen enough. Every time Harry Potter enters into a conversation it turns into a snot throwing fest. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he has to get personal with everyone. I've seen him do it on everything from national politics to local politics to issuses over water bills and road slag and even resturaunts. I don't know who's posting as who and frankly I dont give a d^&m, but it seems like every blessed topic around here is taken over by this one troll. Is anybody else getting sick of this garbage? "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Bps"If the LLL (Looney Liberal Libatrads) want to reward their constituencies, let them do it with their own money. To me it is no different from what the last Repubatard administration did for its buds on Wall Street. The times are too turbulent to allow either party to continue business as usually."

So admitting the Repubatard administration did for its buds on Wall Street -- did you even hint then that times were too turbulent for THEM to perform as they did??? "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:14 PM:

" redwhiteblue:"" Sister honey, tax cuts brought more money into the coffers over the last 8 years, not less."

So tell me, rwb, in that case why did
GWB run up such horrible deficits when he began with a surplus inherited from Bill Clinton??

and answer "More Money" than WHAT????

Don't forget that the POPULATION increased and that alone would have
brought in more taxes. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:25 PM:

" Becky:"Sorry about the rant folks but I'm sick and tired of the government asking us to constantly cut back, learn to live with less, learn to budget better and then they turn around and spend, spend, spend."

The reason we are in this mess is that the Bush administration DID NOT do that.
Remember, once GWB got his wish, a war in which it was The Decider, he never asked for any of these things -- he told US to go shopping. He happily sent soldiers into danger with inadequately armored vehicles while he CUT taxes. I should not confess my age, but I remember when in WW II FDR raised taxes to pay for a part of the war as it was going on, rationed meat, shoes, tires, gasoline, etc. We were urged to buy Liberty bonds and children were asked to buy savings stamps that could apply to Liberty bond purchases.
The Bush administration didn't ask for ANY sacrifice (except from the poor people who volunteered to go). You did your part by sticking a "Support the Troops" sign on your SUV. Remember GWB once said that you were "doing your part (psychologically)" by watching the news of the dead and injured on the TV news every night. "

The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:30 PM:

" Last week, James Gorman, an executive at the taxpayer-bailed-out Morgan Stanley, told financial advisers they'd be getting "very generous" retention payments.
He added, "Please do not call it a bonus."
Yes, that should make all the ravished American taxpayers feel better. As long as you give away millions but don't call it it a "bonus," it's not a "bonus."
Just like "enhanced interrogation" is not torture and "shock and awe" is not bombing a civilian population. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:34 PM:

" ed miller:"Now that The Messiah and Democrats are in control .... Nice to see that you are using the race card again.

And you, ed, are using the "Jesus card" against Obama. Republicans and other trash, immediately after the election, started calling him the "Messiah", just because (1) they were JEALOUS of his success (despite his race) and (2) were trying to build him up irrationally so that for every mistake he makes (and we do all make mistakes and surely he will) they can claim, "WELL, you see he's not Jesus Krist after all".
Get it?? They're BUILDING HIM UP in the eyes of the public so it will be EASIER TO TEAR HIM DOWN.
This is an outrageous brand of politics,
one that is WORSE than the race card, but allied to it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 3:12 PM:

" mopyjoe wrote on Feb 11, 2009 1:24 PM:

" I've been reading this blog for a year now and I've seen enough. Every time Harry Potter enters into a conversation it turns into a snot throwing fest.

Ouch! Does that mean you're not interested in joining my fan club?

Cheer up mopy. Don't be such a sourpuss. lol! "

The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 3:40 PM:

" I've been reading this blog for a year now and I've seen enough.
---
Translation: "I am Doggy Doh's new sock puppet." LOL. "

father bob wrote on Feb 11, 2009 3:53 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 11, 2009 10:56 AM:
" fb is NOT in caps and will never be I have no respect at all for him and his stupidly off the wall racist remarks, """"

nice try doh.....if you don't like the lower case, don't read the posts. and as far as the racist remarks are concerned, i counter racial comments, not start them. and you can get over that too....or not, i personally don't care. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 4:12 PM:

" Is Sybildog trying a new tactic? Looks like he might be using some of his other "personalities" to try to tear down his opponents instead of using them to pay himself compliments. Not too smart is he?

Is this clown transparent or what? LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 4:18 PM:

" ....don't know who's posting as who and frankly I dont give a d^&m, but it seems like every blessed topic around here is taken over by this one troll.

Yes yes, but Blowdoggy is our troll. "

father bob wrote on Feb 11, 2009 4:40 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 3:12 PM:
"Ouch! Does that mean you're not interested in joining my fan club?

Cheer up mopy. Don't be such a sourpuss. lol! """""

speaking of fan clubs HP....do you have any more 8 X 10 glossies? i'm about done with our calendar, and i need one more shot for the "december" illustration. "

The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 5:54 PM:

" What happens when you "privatize?" The corporations that run your juvenile prisons bribe judges millions of dollars to send lots of children to prison.
Two Pennsylvania judges have been charged with taking millions of dollars in kickbacks to send teenagers to two privately run youth detention centers.
No matter how cynical you are, you just can't keep up. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 6:19 PM:

" Darn! I sent my last one to my newest fan, sloppyjoe. I'll get some new ones made right away. Color or black and white? Should I display my PBK key for the picture? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 6:36 PM:

" Highlights from the RNC...I mean the Fox news Channel:

* President Obama and financial corruption

* President Obama's earmark amnesia

* rewarding the left?

*One Democratic mayor says President Obama has gone too far

* Is President Obama a moron on a genius

Oh yeah, no bias there, right Tommy Andres! LOL! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 11, 2009 6:56 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 11, 2009 12:04 PM:

" Monday's Gallup poll found that 80 percent of American voters think that passing an economic stimulus proposal is important or very important (51 percent very important, 29 percent important).
Yet EVERY Republican voted no in the House -- and ALL BUT THREE voted against it in the Senate.
Sounds like one party is so far out of touch, it's spinning in orbit.
Who are the "moonbats" now, eh? LOL. "

Yes TQ that does look strange, but in all fairness they also read all of the fine print that the rest of us has not. You know just like I do that all we know about the package is what we have been "told". And also we both know when it comes to politics "you believe NOTHING you are told and or read and only HALF of what you see.
TQ if that about the judges turns out to be true, which I bet it is, I hope they burn them good. They should put them in the middle of a football stadium with all of the kids they railroaded, if they make it out they are free if not then good riddance. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 7:05 PM:

" Bad news for the Bush apologists on here.

Bush's average approval rating during his second term was 37 percent, the worst on record for a second term president.

Now that Obama is president and is experiencing high approval ratings, the folks at fox have dropped any mention of polling from their on line news site. Anybody think they will bring it back if Obama's numbers slip? In a New York minute! lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 11, 2009 7:08 PM:

" I have to say that when it come to crime and punishment, you have some unusual ideas, Rohn. lol! "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 11, 2009 8:01 PM:

" Thanx Harry LOL, but don't you think that the kids would like that?? And by burn them good I mean send them away for ever or until they die which ever comes first. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:42 AM:

" From the London Times:

India's Hindu nationalist movement is launching a new soft drink made from cow urine.

The bovine brew is in the final stages of development by the Cow Protection Department of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), India's biggest and oldest Hindu nationalist group, according to the man who makes it.

Om Prakash, the head of the department, said the drink called "gau jal," or "cow water" in Sanskrit was undergoing laboratory tests and would be launched "very soon, maybe by the end of this year."

"Don't worry, it won't smell like urine and will be tasty too," he told the Times of London from his headquarters in Hardwar, one of four holy cities on the River Ganges. "Its USP will be that it's going to be very healthy. It won't be like carbonated drinks and would be devoid of any toxins."

The drink is the latest attempt by the RSS which was founded in 1925 and now claims 8 million members to cleanse India of foreign influence and promote its ideology of Hindutva, or Hindu-ness.

What do ya think fb, after our friend discussed his first choice in sandwiches on here the other day, do you think this might be something he would be interested in? "

father bob wrote on Feb 12, 2009 10:04 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:42 AM:
"What do ya think fb, after our friend discussed his first choice in sandwiches on here the other day, do you think this might be something he would be interested in? """""

i'm certain flies and moggots will love the stuff. "

Bps wrote on Feb 12, 2009 12:57 PM:

" Cognitus wrote on Feb 11, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Bps"If the LLL (Looney Liberal Libatrads) want to reward their constituencies, let them do it with their own money. To me it is no different from what the last Repubatard administration did for its buds on Wall Street. The times are too turbulent to allow either party to continue business as usually."

So admitting the Repubatard administration did for its buds on Wall Street -- did you even hint then that times were too turbulent for THEM to perform as they did??? "

did you even hint then that times were too turbulent for THEM to perform as they did??? "

Frankly I did. Not in a local bs blog that doesnt matter to either party. I made my voice known by emails and letters to the elected representative of the district and Senatorial level. In most election I vote for as many demoncrates as I do Repubatards.

Why do you think I call them Repubatards? I am truly an independent voter. I vote on the issues based upon my experiences, morals and common sense for the best individual running regardless of party affiliation. I have often chosen to write in vote because the ones offered by the two parties were bad.

With that I can honestly say that neither (get that- NEITHER) party is worth two cents. Both are totally corrupt and have been for some time. This current stimulus (?) bill is NO DIFFERENT than the scams the Repubatards ran.

NEITHER party thinks the citizens of this country are bright enough to recognize that the elected officials are just in it for their own power, glory and money.

In this whole economic mess, NEITHER party has clean hands. Long term, both parities have elected members and constituents who have profited from the governments malfeasance.

You can get into a playground argument over who is the dirtiest, but dont forget THEY ARE BOTH DIRTY.

So far I see NO different in the current groups approach to the bums that were just thrown out. Only the recipients of the plundered funds has really changed.

How you going to spend your $13 per week from the tax plan?

Change- ya change how you give it away and who you give it to, except the taxpayers still get the shaft. "

The Question wrote on Feb 12, 2009 1:20 PM:

" Is there really $30 million in the new stimulus package devoted to saving the salt marsh mouse in Nancy Pelosi's district?
Nope. Nothing like that in the bill. That's just a right-wing lie that being strenuously circulated on Fox News, in the Washington Times, and elsewhere.
That's the way Republicans operate these days. They just lie.
Barry Goldwater and Dwight Eisenhower are well and truly dead. "

father bob wrote on Feb 12, 2009 2:51 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 12, 2009 1:20 PM:
"They just lie.
Barry Goldwater and Dwight Eisenhower are well and truly dead. """"

well said Q.

most true republicans have jumped ship years ago. all that's left are the radical neocons who's mantra is "say anything-do anything for this moment in time. win today, worry about tomorrow, tomorrow." thing is most sane people become nauseous just hearing the word republican.

the GOP stands for deceit, greed and fascism. "

The Question wrote on Feb 12, 2009 3:43 PM:

" "The GOP stands for deceit, greed and fascism. "
---
You said it, FB. The Democrats are no moral paragons, but when you have a choice between absolutely corrupt and somewhat corrupt, the choice is pretty easy "

father bob wrote on Feb 12, 2009 3:45 PM:

" ever notice how one narcissistic republican is replaced by another?

look at the idiot boehner....trying his dammdest to fill the smug, arrogant, flippant shoes of cheney and rove.

he even has that "f*** you" look in his eye. things never change....and the gop continues to die....thankfully "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 12, 2009 3:59 PM:

" One of the proudest boasts of Democrats supporting their trillion-dollar spending plan is that it doesn't contain earmarks. But it seems like powerful Democrats will still find a way to bring home the bacon. Appropriations Committee Republicans have been asking federal agencies exactly how the pots of money in the bill will be spent - since much of the spending isn't explicitly spelled out in the legislation. One response? Thirty million dollars for wetland restoration in the San Francisco Bay Area - including work to protect the Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse. Hrmm ... this sounds like spending projects that have been supported by a certain powerful Democrat in the past. And it certainly doesn't sound like it will create or save American jobs. So can Speaker Pelosi explain exactly how we will improve the American economy by helping the adorable little fellow pictured below?

This was copy and pasted from Power Line "

father bob wrote on Feb 12, 2009 4:54 PM:

" Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 12, 2009 3:59 PM:
"Thirty million dollars for wetland restoration in the San Francisco Bay Area - including work to protect the Salt Marsh Harvest Mouse.

This was copy and pasted from Power Line """"

and that was propaganda which has been debunked as such. the neocons at work again.....i believe it was in fact started by fox entertainment and the NY times. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 12, 2009 4:57 PM:

" look at the idiot boehner....trying his dammdest to fill the smug, arrogant, flippant shoes of cheney and rove.

You said it, fb. This guy has a look of pure evil in his eyes, and to think we thought Cheney had that look. "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 12, 2009 5:06 PM:

" * dumb dumber and dumbest aka harry blotter father blob and to be or not to be that is the question chime in * standard protocol for the libtarded * "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 12, 2009 5:37 PM:

" He's back! I thought it was too good to be true. The dog...I mean spouse... must have come up with the bond money. Probably put the mobile home up as collateral. lol! "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 12, 2009 7:07 PM:

" * harry, grab some of your favorite new urine beverage * don't forget to get some for your buddies * you libtards can then toast the turd who got elected, properly * lol * "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 12, 2009 8:14 PM:

" Oh my, I wonder what happened to the BlueDogDemocrat? Perhaps "Stanley Stetson" might have an idea. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 12, 2009 8:19 PM:

" Obama's "Making Work Pay" tax credit for 95 percent of workers would begin showing up in most workers' paychecks in June as an extra $13 a week in take-home pay, falling to about $8 a week next January.

Wow. 800 billion of your dollars and in the next year and a half I'm going to see $754 of it. Now I can afford my mortgage. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 12, 2009 8:33 PM:

" Obama: Caterpillar will re-hire people if stimulus passes; Caterpillar CEO: No, we wont

ABCNews Feb 12 2009

D'oh! Caterpillar CEO Contradicts President on Whether Stimulus Will Allow Him to Re-Hire Laid Off Workers

"EAST PEORIA, ILL. -- President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., "said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off."

Caterpillar announced 22,000 layoffs last month.

BUT AFTER THE PRESIDENT LEFT THE EVENT, OWENS SAID THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again"

"It is going to take some time before that stimulus bill" means re-hiring, he said."

+++++++

Looks like Obama lied again, huh HarryTard? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 12, 2009 8:41 PM:

" Judd Gregg has withdrawn from his nomination as Commerce Secretary.

This makes the third Cabinet appointment from Barack Obama to fail, and the second one at Commerce. Tom Daschle withdrew at HHS over his tax evasion, and Bill Richardson preceded Gregg as Commerce Secretary-designate before withdrawing over a pay-for-play corruption scandal in New Mexico.

Gosh HarryTard!

Obama sure is smart isn't he?

Why, just look at how efficient he's been at vetting his Cabinet nominees.

Brainy! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:00 PM:

" Now that Bush is gone and the left has to govern, theyre finally free/forced to admit some very interesting things:

From The LATimes Feb 12 2009

In his news conference this week, President Obama went so far as to describe Irans "development of a nuclear weapon" before correcting himself to refer to its "pursuit" of weapons capability.

Obamas nominee to serve as CIA director, Leon E. Panetta, left little doubt about his view last week when he testified on Capitol Hill. "From all the information Ive seen," Panetta said, "I think there is no question that they are seeking that capability."

The language reflects the extent to which senior U.S. officials now discount a National Intelligence Estimate issued in November 2007 that was instrumental in derailing U.S. and European efforts to pressure Iran to shut down its nuclear progra....

U.S. officials said that although no new evidence had surfaced to undercut the findings of the 2007 estimate, there was growing consensus that it provided a misleading picture and that the country was poised to reach crucial bomb-making milestones this year.

+++++++

Hey HarryTard, I remember you and FatHead BobbyTard and The QuestionTard and all your LefTard friends whining and complaining that Bush was lying about Iran's nuclear threat.

Remember that HarryTard? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:13 PM:

" HarryTard the psycho-twerp will now ignore all these pesky facts and try to re-direct the conversation to school yard banter in:

3....2.....1..... "

ed miller wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:24 PM:

" President Obama lambasted businesses that use taxpayer money to visit Las Vegas.

Its okay, however, to use porkulus money to build pie-in-the-sky rail lines from Los Angeles to Vegas for Harry Reids benefit.

Reid is pushing for an $8 billion earmark in the conference report (shhh! there are no earmarks, remember?) to construct high-speed rail lines, quadrupling the amount in the bill that passed the Senate on Tuesday. A proposed Los Angeles-to-Las Vegas rail might get a big chunk of the money.

Reid earmarked $45 million last year for the public magnetic levitation train project which is in competition with a completely privately funded rail project being built along a similar route.

No wonder they wont let us see the bill before they rush to cram it down our throats.

We can't have a bridge to nowhere, but a rail to nowhere is fine as long as we call it "stimulus". "

ed miller wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:30 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:13 PM:
" Harry will now ignore all these pesky facts and try to re-direct the conversation to school yard banter in:

3....2.....1..... "

LOL...True

Hey it's almost 10pm at night and the stimulus bill is STILL not available for review. It comes up for vote TOMORROW. That means your DEMOCRATIC congress is going to spend a TRILLION dollars and NO ONE is going to have time to review it. This bill is full of policies and projects not related to the economy. Pelosi and Reid have railroaded this through while their lapdog President cheered them on. If this mess passes, not ONE person who voted for it should be re-elected. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 12, 2009 9:52 PM:

" Yeah ed,

the Democrats just BROKE THEIR PROMISE that they would post the Porkulus Bill online for a 48-Hour public airing.

More of that

"Change We Can Believe In!"

LOL "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 12, 2009 11:39 PM:

" father bob wrote on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 10, 2009 7:59 AM:
" Listen, No one gives a flip that Barack Obama has 1) a Muslimish name and 2) that he's 1/2 black.

That comment probably says a lot more about you than the rest of your usual anti Obama rants, eddie. """""

funny how the ones who "don't give a flip" keep bringing it up...and you're right HP, it speakes volumes. i wonder where andres is.....he's usually good for an "i'm not a bigot" rant about once a month. "

...Don't forget Jack Pierce lol "

dc wrote on Feb 13, 2009 1:31 AM:

" check the facts, I don't think their has ever been a stimulus package work in this country, EVER. I would like to see futuregen, but WTF 800 billion. wow. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 7:48 AM:

" Clearly, the White House is using the time-honored mathematical method of pulling numbers out of one's rear end. They are so bad about it that no one at the White House apparently thought to reconcile the numbers to see whether they even came close to agreement before publishing them. If someone produced numbers like this in the private sector for a project, they'd be fired. In the public sector, they get to run things.

Can we afford to take economic policy from an administration who can't even figure out addition?

No wonder Judd Gregg resigned as Commerce Secretary. Apparently, he can actually do math. It does explain why so many people in the Obama administration have problems with their taxes.

- Ed Morrissey

LOL

Yep HarryTard's definitely on the Obamulus economic team. "

The Question wrote on Feb 13, 2009 9:45 AM:

" The Republicans refuse to do anything but play the obstructionist fiddle in Congress while the republic burns. Thats because they are still determined to reduce the whole federal government to nothing but a single, massive war-making function, turning American society into a street-urchin-littered, corporate-dictatorship reprise of Dickens England in the process.
To a significant extent, they have already succeeded in that goal, and we see the results all around us right now.
Their plans, if fully implemented, will ruin or actually end millions upon millions of American lives, and in agony.
Thats why they have always had to lie about them, and use Fox News and talk radio to spread their relentless propaganda.
Thats why they constantly seek to vilify and silence ANY independent voice, whether its in the university, the press, Hollywood, science, public education, public broadcasting, the ACLU, Amnesty International or anywhere else.
They cannot permit the airing of any part of the truth. It feels just like hydrofluoric acid on their greedy, hateful skins. Thats why it always makes them scream so loudly. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:11 AM:

" From McClatchy News:

Will the stimulus actually stimulate? Economists say no

Feb 13 2009 WASHINGTON The compromise economic stimulus plan agreed to by negotiators from the House of Representatives and the Senate is short on incentives to get consumers spending again and long on social goals that won't stimulate economic activity, according to a range of respected economists.

Another reason that some analysts frown on the stimulus is the social spending it includes on things such as the Head Start program for disadvantaged children and aid to NASA for climate-change research. Both may be worthy efforts, but they aren't aimed at delivering short-term boosts to economic activity.

"While the stimulus bill is a necessary condition for economic stabilization and recovery, it is hardly sufficient," Galston wrote. "As the lesson of Japan in the 1990s shows, fiscal stimulus without financial rescue yields stagnation at best." "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM:

" Good news: Congress ready to vote on 1,071-page stimulus bill it hasnt read yet:

Why should they read it? According to economists, it wont work, either because its too wasteful or too small. But thats beside the point. The point here is action for actions sake, to show voters theyre at least trying to fix the situation even if their fix reeks in which case, mission accomplished. So they might as well come clean, which is exactly what theyre doing:

"When CNSNews.com asked members of both parties on Capitol Hill on Thursday whether they had read the full, final bill, not one member could say, "Yes."....

"The Democrats have thrown this at us very last-minute," said Rep. Zach Wamp (R-Tenn.). "Thats why the rule of thumb in the United States Congress should be, 'When in doubt, vote no,' because the devil is in the details and that's why this stimulus is not worthy of support."

Rep. John Boozman (R-Ark.) shared that sentiment. "The American public expects for us to get in and know what were voting on," Boozman said. "But there are very few members from Congress that are going to have time to actually read this thing."

+++++++

ROFLMAO "

ed miller wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:39 AM:

" Claiming Pelosi's stimulus package will save jobs at Caterpillar, I guess Obama already has his "Mission Accomplished" gaff after only a month in office. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:52 AM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 13, 2009 9:45 AM:
" The Republicans refuse to do anything but play the obstructionist fiddle in Congress while the republic burns."

So TQ, I guess you are now on record saying that this stimulus bill is just what we need and those evil GOP types are blocking it? Have fun riding Reid's new 8 billion dollar train set. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:55 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM:
" Why should they read it? According to economists, it wont work, either because its too wasteful or too small."

No BDD, it's not too small. Quite the opposite. Unfortunately, they would like us to believe that dog parks and preventing STD's and prostitution will somehow stimulate the economy and create good jobs. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:58 AM:

" Greetings Comrades of the Socialist People's Republic of Illinois (SPRI)...

It was a banner week in this Obamanation...the United Socialist States of America (USSA)!

Let's look at the score card for the Used-car-salesman and Chief for this week, shall we....

The Used-car-salesman and Chief....

1) Lied about how his porkulus
plan would cause Caterpillar to re-hire 1000's of layed-off employees....

2) Tells Americans not to patronize the city of Las Vegas effecting that city's tourist trade....

3) Has three failed selections for his administation...

4) And he knew that the plane was going to crash in Clarence, NY and did nothing about it ahead of time....

Well.. not really on that last one...that was too harsh...don't want to be as low as the scumbag democrats, especially one in particular named Hiliary Clinton, who held up the New York Times newspaper with the headline saying "Bush Knew!" the day after the terrible 9/11 tragedy.

Das vedanya for now Comrades! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 11:23 AM:

" (Question whimpers - "The Republicans refuse to do anything but play the obstructionist fiddle in Congress while the republic burns.")

Well Drama Queen,

Your Porkulus Pile won't do a blessed thing to help the economy.

Instead, your inept, inexperienced, and bumbling moron of a president, has ratcheted up the doom and gloom rhetoric in a cynical attempt to pass a stench pile that is geared towards the Democrats bureaucratic entrenchment and out-of-control expansion- and little else.

Besides, you treasonous Libtards have spent the last eight years telling the rest of us that "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism!"

So sit down, shut up, taste the Karma, and get out of the way as we patriots exercise our patriotism.

We've only begun to fight.......... "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 13, 2009 11:27 AM:

" It feels just like hydrofluoric acid....
------------------------

Our resident socialist chemist and Drama Queen TQ knows how hydrofluoro acid feels "on their greedy, hateful skins".

What solution molality would that be TQ?

TQ must have been cleaning her pennies or got sprayed at the car to know how HF would feel on "their greedy, hateful skins".

What a freaking Drama Queen.... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 11:48 AM:

" (ed miller wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:39 AM:

" Claiming Pelosi's stimulus package will save jobs at Caterpillar, I guess Obama already has his "Mission Accomplished" gaff after only a month in office.")

+++++

Excellent point ed!

Brilliant!

ROFLMAO! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 PM:

" Barack Obama will take another big hit to his transition, but the man who really deserves the obloquy this time is Rahm Emanuel. The census ploy was a transparent attempt to hijack the data for political purposes, and pulling that stunt after Greggs appointment made Gregg look like a political eunuch. It was classic overreach, and its classic Emanuel.

Ah yes, this must be that new "transparency" that That Obama was blowing about during the campaign.

Golly!

More "Change We Can Believe In!" "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 13, 2009 1:20 PM:

" How about buying some of those Obama commemorative plates to help the economy out, Blowdog? Maybe you and eddie can pool your money and buy a full set. They would look great of the wall of your double wide abode. You
could put them right next to your favorite pictures of Hitler and "W". LOL! "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 13, 2009 2:24 PM:

" * hussein the magician strikes again *
the illustrious kilroy has now taken a backseat *

* the economic team is bailing out at a better rate than the stimulus plan is going to * quick, put up another roadblock libtards * the big turd is floating from sea to shining sea * "

oldschool wrote on Feb 13, 2009 3:04 PM:

" "BlueDog...you have got to be the funniest blogger I have ever read. The "Taste the Karma" comment is just cracking me up !! Although whats happening to our country is no joke, you certainly have a way of bodyslamming the left with facts, and that gorgeous sense of humor. I love it. It's also nice to have "NeoCon" back in the fold....where ya been? Sure have missed your biting analysis and insight. Neo, if you were hired by the JG-TC their subscriptions would go up at least 40%.

I know these glowing endorsements will drive "PotterMiester" "The (Wrong)-Question" and oh yea...."What about Bob" back to the "cool soothing gel" aisle. But oh well, while they seek relief for their discomfort I will continue to read your comments and laugh, laugh, laugh....I love you man ! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 3:05 PM:

" Welcome back Neo!

Remember now,

You're really me, so be sure to pay me a compliment.

We need to give the psycho-twerp HarryTard something off-subject to whine about, because his president is taking a beating in here today.

And he's far too scared to defend him.

LOL "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 3:38 PM:

" Hey HarryTard, did you hear that
Caterpillar is hiring again?

....neither did I....

ROFLMAO!

ObamaTard! "

AllYouNeedIsLove wrote on Feb 13, 2009 4:40 PM:

" I'm gonna stick up for Obama on this one. Yes, it is a controversial stimulus package, but only due to the large amount of money. I am extremely disappointed in how Bush handed out billions to the banks on the last stimulus package, so at least this one is going more to the people this time. There is no easy solution on how to bring our economy up, but we know if we don't do anything, things will not change much. People need hope, and passing this stimulus not only helps people literally, it also helps them mentally, as it gives people hope that something is being done. As for Limbaugh and those Repubs who want Obama to fail, shame on them. If they want Obama to fail, they want the USA fail, and that is truly sad. For 8 long years, we had to put up with Bush and his baloney, and no matter how much I disliked Bush, I never wanted the USA to fail. Even if Repubs and some others don't like Obama, they must accept him as President, because that is what he is. We should all want the United States to succeed, no matter what the party. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 4:45 PM:

" Dear Question (AKA Drama Queen)

HOUSE PASSES OBAMA 'STIMULUS'; NO GOP SUPPORT, 7 DEMS VOTE NO

But but but, I thought it was just those eeeeevil Republicans who were opposed to Obama's Porkulus Stink Pile?

This is all yours Democrats.

Own it. "

The Question wrote on Feb 13, 2009 5:12 PM:

" Someone has gone way out "Sybil" this time. Way, way out. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 13, 2009 5:41 PM:

" Old school...once again ...your platitudes are much too much for a humble person such as myself, but thank you... and to answer you're question....I've just been busy...

BDD...you are undoubtedly the most insightful individual on these blogs...

How was that for a compliment to myself...uh hum...I mean to you?

ROFLMAO... "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 13, 2009 7:00 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 13, 2009 5:12 PM:

" Someone has gone way out "Sybil" this time. Way, way out.

Yes, it's kind of sad, especially when there is professional help available for these types of personalities. I wondered how long it would be before he started giving himself pats on the back. Oh well, if he can't get them any other way I guess he had to resort to this pathetic act. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 13, 2009 7:06 PM:

" Hey Doh, you left out the usual smackdown comment. Slipping? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 8:52 PM:

" Well thank you Neo.

Or is it thank you me?

Let's just wait for the Three Liberal Stooges to explain it.

+++++++

(AllYouNeedIsLove -"so at least this one is going more to the people this time.")

Really? What are you basing that on?

The Obama rumor that Caterpillar is hiring again?

Oh and, if you think Obama's not going to bail out any evil banks; then you're a fool. Because you see, there's more bailouts coming....... "

The Question wrote on Feb 13, 2009 9:11 PM:

" The disgraced, GOP-coddled, civilian-slaughtering company Blackwater has decided to change its name to hide its sickening past.
Check out the name they picked: "Xe." (Apparently it's pronounced like the letter 'Z.')
I've got a better suggestion for a name change for them. Starts with an "s" and ends with a "t." "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 PM:

" (HarryTard - "Yes, it's kind of sad, especially when there is professional help available for these types of personalities. I wondered how long it would be before he started giving himself pats on the back. Oh well, if he can't get them any other way I guess he had to resort to this pathetic act.")

Just as I predicted folks-

HarryTard tries to redirect the conversation towards school yard banter in an attempt to avoid answering for the Democrats lies and embarrassments over the Porkulus package. "

Rohn Gordon wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 PM:

" TQ SweeT?? SofT?? SainT?? Select?? help me out here LMAO. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 13, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Blackwater, QuestionTard?

Really?

-Democrats lie about revealing the Porkulus Bill before the vote

-None of them actually read the bill

-Your piece of crap president lied about Caterpillar hiring because of the Porkulus Package

-His THIRD third Cabinet appointment has withdrawn, because;

-Obama was demanding that the census director would report to the White House instead of the commerce secretary which in itself is a corrupt power-grab with tremendous political implications.

and you want to talk about Blackwater?

Why am I not surprised.

By the way, when are those troops getting out of Iraq? "

ed miller wrote on Feb 14, 2009 5:18 AM:

" Hey, I'm about to do my taxes. Could someone ask the President how many "honest mistakes" we are allowed. "

Early Bird wrote on Feb 14, 2009 5:58 AM:

" They should include the name of their chief benefactor in the new name, Question. That would start with a "c" and end with a "y". Thanks for starting my morning off with a good laugh!
Keeping pouring it on, you're hitting pay dirt with the obnoxious one. And I do like your new name for him, Sybil. Of course saying that would automatically make me father bob or Harry Potter, right? Let's see who I am today. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:10 AM:

" The scandal-ridden security firm Blackwater USA is officially changing its name effective immediately as the company moves to rebrand itself after being fired last month by the State Department from its job protecting diplomats in Iraq.

Looks like big mouth Blowdog will be defending his favorite group of GOP backed right wing thugs under a new name, huh? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:17 AM:

" "This company will continue to provide personnel protective services for high-threat environments when needed by the U.S. government, but its primary mission will be operating our training facilities around the world," Jackson said.

Translation: we will try to keep getting government contracts, but failing that, we will focus on training mercenaries around the world. "

The Question wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:54 AM:

" Xe, the artists in blood and mayhem formerly known as Blackwater. "

The Question wrote on Feb 14, 2009 10:55 AM:

" In related news, George W. Bush is changing his name to Binky. "

Lurker61920 wrote on Feb 14, 2009 11:40 AM:

" I'm so excited, I can hardly type! I'm wondering where I will spend the first $400 from the stimulus package? 1/2 my house payment to avoid foreclosure? That outta help!

And can someone explain to me the reason or the law why we can't just bring all of our business back into the United States? Why can't that be mandated? Or, the government offer packages for the businesses that agree to do so. Mexicans taking our jobs but inside and outside of the United States! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 14, 2009 12:07 PM:

" I think the passage of the porkulus bill is absolutely wonderful from a political standpoint.

Is there any doubt now that the democrats are socialists?

Even by THEIR OWN ACCOUNTS 2/3's of the porkulus bill is social welfare spending has nothing to do with job creation.

Go ahead and entice businesses to hire three people to do the job of one due to the unnatural market forces provoded by the porkulus bill. Then watch productivity across all sectors, it's already tanking with durable goods production, and an indication of a country's growth and properity, tank as the majority of any miniscule job creation won't begin until late 2010/early 2011.

Yep, the democrats have shown their true colors with this bill.

And there ain't no doubt about it now.

It's Obama's economy in an Obamanation.

As for what's on America's economic, political, and social horizons for the near future ponder the predicts of 1870 to 1939 Germany with their economic (hyper inflation), political, and social rise and fall (check out the Kasier's Memoir's); Britain (1870 -1914) with their social, economic, and political decline due to two industrial/economic upstarts, namely Germany and the USA; and LBJ's Great Society (1970's inlfation/productivity declines). There's other incidences of upheavel in history due to poor economics, outside of the Great Depression, but why give you socialists anymore info to spin and yell "Keynesian, Keynesian, Keynesian!"

So gear up now conservative Republicans for the 2012 elections. Take advantage of how the democrats will die on their own sword of socialism.

I can already see the campaign slogan for the GOP now...................

"Can we afford anymore Obamanation?" "

The Question wrote on Feb 14, 2009 12:19 PM:

" The State Department "declined to renew" Blackwater's contract to protect department personnel in Iraq when it expires in May.
In other words, Obama kicks out Bush and Cheney's civilian-slaughtering mercenaries.
Good. Now prosecute them. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 14, 2009 2:09 PM:

" AllYouNeedIsLove wrote on Feb 13, 2009 4:40 PM:
" I am extremely disappointed in how Bush handed out billions to the banks on the last stimulus package, so at least this one is going more to the people this time."

Um, apparently you never heard of TARP 2 that the Obama administration is working on now. Well, if the first few hundred billion don't work, let's try more. With TARP 2, the Treasury plans to purchase up to a range of $250 billion to $500 billion in toxic bank assets under a legacy asset program, which Treasury officials told House members could grow to $1 trillion. So exactly how is this, or even the majority of the so called stimulus plan "going to the people"? Please clarify that for me. "

cedric66 wrote on Feb 14, 2009 8:13 PM:

" Hey BDD!! Did you hear that Osama, Sorry I meant Hussein went and locked Motormouth Biden in his office so he couldn't embarrass him with his so called comedy quips?? "

The Question wrote on Feb 14, 2009 10:56 PM:

" By a two-to-one margin, Americans now blame to GOP for the world financial crisis, showing that they are no longer as ignorant as they have been the last eight years.
The Republican "philosophy" of deregulation -- just take all the cops off the beat, and Officer "Free Market" will keep us all safe and snug -- has wrecked the world economy and bankrupted the nation, even as Republican agents denuded the Bill of Rights and made the U.S. over into a nation of torturers. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:06 AM:

" Lurker61920 wrote on Feb 14, 2009 11:40 AM:
" And can someone explain to me the reason or the law why we can't just bring all of our business back into the United States?"

We currently have the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. In addition, any money that the corporations make overseas is not taxable as long as that money is reinvested overseas. That along with the usually cheaper labor makes it very advantageous for them to move manufacturing across the pond. But don't worry, Obama promised us that spending a ton of money to fight STD's and prostitution along with Reid and Pelosi's new 8 billion dollar train set will soon give us some great jobs.

Gee HP and TQ,

I can't believe that Blackwater stuff isn't grabbing all of the headlines. After all, it's not like we have anything else to concern ourselves with now. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:26 AM:

" The GOP strategy is clear. For the want of a nail the kingdom was lost. That's the GOP tactic. Identify small obvious flaws and scream bloody murder. It might work if they hadn't had eight years to do better and if they hadn't left the nation in depression and added $4.5 trillion to the debt besides.

Internet blogger- "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:31 AM:

" Thomas Franks put it well., He said the rest of us have been left to mourn for another nation -- that warm middle-class world that I was born into: a place where blue-collar workers owned boats and suburban homes, where government seemed at least interested in fairness, and where art and learning were respected as much as accumulation. The wreckage of that America lies all around us today. Conservatives pushed its pillars apart and sent it crashing to the ground. "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:22 AM:

" The military is now investigating its own senior officers, suspected of trading contracts for gigantic bribes in Iraq. Much of the testimony driving the investigation of the in a massive corruption scandal comes posthumously from Dale C. Stoffel, an American arms dealer killed under mysterious circumstances in Iraq in 2004. Stoffel described to officials shady deals in which contractors would deliver tens of thousands of dollars hidden in pizza boxes to military leaders in order to score lucrative reconstruction jobs.
Bush and Cheney actually managed to further corrupt the American military whose jackboots you right wingers constantly lick. I do find that bitterly amusing. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 11:13 AM:

" Obama abandons Buy American in Porkulus

From Politico:

Obama backs off 'Buy American'

"President Barack Obamas visit to a Caterpillar manufacturing plant Thursday did more than focus attention on his efforts to create working-class jobs, as administration officials hoped. It provided the perfect backdrop to highlight Obamas change of heart on controversial Buy American provisions that require government-funded projects to use only U.S.-made materials."

+++++++

Now remember what I told you brainless ObamaZombies?

ALL Obama promises come with an expiration date and clarifications.

LOL "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 11:19 AM:

" Obama: Passing this crap sandwich is a "major milestone"

Oh but wait folks!

There's more to come.

Obama: "This historic step wont be the end of what we do to turn our economy around, but rather the beginning."

The Washington is already anticipating Stimulus II, in fact, presumably to follow hot on the heels of TARP III.

And all this while Obama (The Chicago Snake Oil Salesman) is planning to,

er....a.....

-balance the budget.

LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Flashback: Obama promises to allow five days of public comment before signing bills

Uhm..... the final draft of Porkulus was posted on The White House website for comment Friday afternoon.

The Snake Oil Salesman promised to sign it Tuesday.

Video: http://tinyurl.com/bvpeut

Barack Obama Video quote: "Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk"

But that's not the best part!

Notice what the Chicago Snake Oil Salesman spews on and on about with:

"transparency"

"no registered lobbyist incurring favor"

"sunlight is the greatest disinfectant"

"I'll make it impossible....to slip pork-barrel projects or corporate welfare into laws when no one's looking"

......ROFLMAO!

I'm definitely going to have to bring this clip out repeatedly and OFTEN!

Now remember kids:

ALL of Obama's promises come with expiration dates and clarifications.

LOL "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 11:41 AM:

" Golly Question,

Since you're trying so desperately to re-direct the topic of this thread to "Blackwater", I just realized something;

Why aren't you giving us daily updates anymore on the horrible quagmire in Iraq?

Why, only last week there was a suicide bomb attack.

Why so mum all of a sudden, Drama Queen?

????

Ohhhhhhhhhh...I get it.

You don't want to talk about troop withdrawal- do you. LOL

You sly little devil you.

So uhm, tell us Drama Queen..........when are all of those troops coming home?

Or maybe HarryTard would like to field this pesky little pickle of a riddle? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 12:03 PM:

" I can't believe that Blackwater stuff isn't grabbing all of the headlines. After all, it's not like we have anything else to concern ourselves with now.

You're right eddie, but just because the media is willing to give it a pass, some of us aren't. It wasn't just Fox news that looked the other way, the MSM was a willing ally to the corruption of Bush and the Dick.

Of course you don't want to talk about Blackwater, eddie. It's just another reminder of how low the scumbag Bush and his war profiteering VP was willing to sink to in order to destroy this great nations reputation.

So please, by all means, keep on squawking about how bad Obama is. After the last eight years, you and Cybil are really proving something with your little school girl hissy fits, aren't you? The more you idiots whine, the better Obama looks. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 12:18 PM:

" I find it absolutely hilarious that the very same people who are so busy trying to tear down the Obama administration are the same ones who have been defending the Bush administration for the last several years. After all the Bush administration was probably the most corrupt bunch in the White House since Nixon and his first VP, Spiro Agnew.

Agnew took his payoffs in cash in the White House basement, while Cheney gets his by way of stock option increases, due to the war in Iraq which he pushed for, from his favorite company, Halliburton.

Oh, but Cheney is giving them to charity, right eddie. That was the line pushed by Cybil a while back. By the way, that phony promise was made over 7 years ago. Still hasn't happened, has it? LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 1:15 PM:

" It now appears the Obama is probably going to follow through with his idea of limiting the top execs to a yearly salary of only 500 thousand dollars (Poor guys) for those corporations accepting bailout money. Watch the sychophantic trailer park variety of Repugs on this site, like eddie miller and Cybil to go ballistic over this one. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 1:34 PM:

" Several of the real news on line outlets are carrying a story about presidential ratings. Not surprising, Fox has ignored this story. Guess who the consensus of the group came up with as the 5th from the worst president ever? You guessed it, George W Bush.

Personally I think they were too generous. I would rate this reprobate as dead last.

I would imagine Cybil and company would rate him number one. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 2:01 PM:

" Isn't it fascinating folks?

On a thread dedicated to Porkulus,

and after Obama lies about Caterpillar rehiring if this corrupt bill is passed,

and after the Democrats craft the final theft behind closed doors,

after Congress passes it WITHOUT EVER READING IT,

and after the Obama Administration tries to grab control of the Census

ALL OF A SUDDEN the ObamaZombies in here (The Question and Harry Potter et al) want to talk about everything else OTHER than this blatant corruption!

This is what they do folks;

when they can no longer defend their hypocrisy, they spin spin spin mis-direction in a pathetic attempt to hide all the facts that expose them.

Hey, ObamaZombies,

When are those troops getting out of Iraq? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 2:08 PM:

" WHAT'S THE RUSH? 'URGENT' $TIMULUS ON HOLD FOR BAM'S WEEKEND OFF

NYPOST Feb 15th 2009 "After pushing Congress for weeks to hurry up and pass the massive $787 billion stimulus bill, President Obama promptly took off for a three-day holiday getaway.

The push to get the bill through before the holiday weekend was so frantic, members of Congress didn't have a chance to read all 1,071 pages of the document before they could vote."

+++++++

CAUTION!

The NYPOST is owned by the EVVVVVIIIIILLLLL Conservative Rupert Murdoch of the EEEVVVVIIILLLL FOXNEWS!

So this story CAN'T be true!

Can it? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 2:17 PM:

" (HarryTard - "I find it absolutely hilarious that the very same people who are so busy trying to tear down the Obama administration are the same ones who have been defending the Bush administration for the last several years.")

What's even more hilarious HarryTard, is that dishonest Liberal Zombie's like you don't utter a peep as your president (The Chicago Snake Oil Salesman) breaks promise after promise, even as he continues more and more of Bush's policies.

Tell me again how he ended torture and rendition Harry?

Tell me again how (all of a sudden) Iran is a nuclear threat, just like Bush said they were?

Tell me again why Obama changed his tune on capturing or killing Bin Laden and basically echoed Bush's theory that if Osama is isolated; good enough?

Tell me again why Obama lied about: Mission Accomplished, Caterpillar will hire!

You whine like a little Liberal girl, HarryZombie. Soon you'll be crying like one as well. Obama's your disgrace, HarryTard; you own him. "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 2:40 PM:

" Ever slavish to their plutocratic masters, Fox News is now defending the use of private corporate jets by the CEOs of failed companies that have been bailed out by the American taxpayer.
Yes, the ruling class must always have its showy, expensive playthings, even when they must be paid for by billions pick-pocketed from the poor and the middle class.
ESPECIALLY then, in fact.
Otherwise, how do the stupid thieves who wrecked their corporations and the world economy prove they ARE members of the ruling class, instead of just beautifully tailored bums? "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 2:54 PM:

" Asked if he would be so willing to reach out to Republicans in the future, President Obama responded, "You know, I am an eternal optimist. That doesn't mean I'm a sap."
---
You know, I just have to like anybody who still uses the word "sap." Sam Spade and Philip Marlowe live. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 15, 2009 3:09 PM:

" Right Harry, It's a conspiracy from FOX and Rush Limbaugh to keep Blackwater out of the news. You know, I think they made up this whole economy thing and multi-generational pork bill just to throw us all off. I bet Sarah Palin is probably up to no good as well. Maybe you should update us on that.

Kind of hard to be playing defense for a change, isn't it?

Please, we are all waiting for you to tell us how great YOUR administration's stimulus bill is. Feel free to go line by line and tell us how many long term good jobs it will create for the trillion dollar price tag. What's that? You haven't read it? That's ok, because neither did anyone in the congress when they voted for it. Go ahead and let that sink in for a while. Your Democratic congress and president just spent a TRILLION dollars, and none of them could tell you where it's going. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 4:39 PM:

" I was stopped in Marshal today by the funeral procession for one those recently fallen area soldiers that died in the middle east.

I couldn't help but think what a waste it was of this honorable soldier's life due to our newly elected "commander and chief" not keeping his promises.

His cronies Pelosi and Reid, both who stated we've lost the war there, and he, used Iraq and Afghanistan as a political tool to get Obama elected.

My question is, if we've lost the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, why is it Obama's keeping our troops there, even sending more to Afghanistan? WHY?
WHY is Obama putting more troops into Afghanistan now? We've lost, REMEMBER?

How many more kids from central Illinois need to die, since we've lost the war there, before Obama keeps his promise? HOW MANY? HOW MANY?

The blood of those two soldiers is on Obama's hand's just like the blood of those 14 Afghan villagers HE KILLED allowing the US military to attack that Afghan village a few days after his inauguration.

Shame on all of you out there that yelled and screamed about George Bush taking us to war, yet now you're deafeningly silent about our neighbors coming home in US flag draped coffins!

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT COME HOME IN A COFFINS FROM AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ NOW IS FROM OBAMA'S FAILED PROMISES AND YOUR SILENCE! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!

S-H-A-M-E ON Y-O-U! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 5:05 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Feb 15, 2009 3:09 PM:

" Right Harry, It's a conspiracy from FOX and Rush Limbaugh to keep Blackwater out of the news.

Who said anything about a conspiracy, Einstein?

Giving a pass is not the same thing as a conspiracy.

And as far as the ignorant moose queen goes, just stay tuned to the news, she's doing everything she can to keep in public view. I think that her 15 minutes are about up.

This whole stimulus deal really has you worked up, you're posting almost as much as old motor mouth Cybil these days.

I noticed that you and Cybildog weren't nearly so upset when the scumbag Bush push for the same thing. (another point to be ignored) LOL!

What did you think about Bush's ranking by the historians? I still say they were too nice. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 5:09 PM:

" Right Harry, It's a conspiracy from FOX and Rush Limbaugh to keep Blackwater out of the news.
---------------------------

Hey Ed.....

Remember when Cindy Williams (actress from Laverne and Shirley) addressed congess when Clinton was in office asking why we needed such a big military?

Blackwater, Halliburton, CACI Intl, Titan Group and such are all an outgrowth of Clinton's policies during that time...

I wonder where our RESIDENT SOCIALISTS were when Clinton was using these Blackwater-type companies in Bosnia?

Ah, no where to be found again! Just like with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd with the mortgage scandal!

Little do our RESIDENT SOCIALISTS HERE admit (but I guess if you're blissfully ignorant you won't acknowledge the truth) to the fact that BILL CLINTON was the first President to widely use private contractors in the BALKANS back in the '90's.

It's pathetically funny they rant here, because the same time CLINTON was using private contrators in the Balkans, he was bad mouthing the South African private contractor (mercs) EXECUTIVE OUTCOMES work stopping genocide in SIERRA LEONE to the UN.

How do I know this? I know this because ex-special forces (double tabbers) people I've associated with told me they worked hand in hand with these guys when they served in Bosnia/Serajavo back in the '90's.

So you see these IDIOT CORNFIELD SOCIALISTS on these blogs have no idea what they are talking about, but they are always the first to have their "sissy girl hissy fits" about Abu Ghraib and Blackwater aren't they?

Instead of criticizing those folks from Blackwater, they probably ought to be thanking them..... "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 5:50 PM:

" Only a true fascist would sing the praises of the mercenary killers from Blackwater. Well, if not a fascist, then a trailer park Republican, like Cybildog and his..uh...well you know...his "crew". lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 5:56 PM:

" How do I know this? I know this because ex-special forces (double tabbers) people I've associated with told me they worked hand in hand with these guys when they served in Bosnia/Serajavo back in the '90's.

Yeah right! You're full of it, and you know it, Doh! "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:24 PM:

" Well, if not a fascist, then a trailer park Republican, like Cybildog and his..uh...well you know...his "crew".
---
LOL indeed, Harry. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:24 PM:

" It's pathetically funny they rant here.....

No Doh, what's pathetically funny is your coming on here under all of your phony names and regurgitating the same old I hate Obama crap. Excuse me, make that President Obama. LOL!

But by all means keep it up, you're making the other side look pretty good.

And still no response about that Bush rating? I'll remind you, 5th from the bottom. Some ranking' huh? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:27 PM:

" I think Doh's been reading too many Soldier of Fortune magazines. He's getting delusional again. lol! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:27 PM:

" BOY! Does everyone remember seeing the Che Guevara poster in the OBAMA CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS during the ELECTIONS CAMPAIGN?

Oh yyyeeeaaeahhhh... I know you all do...

MORE PROOF that "democrats" and Obama are SOCIALISTS....

OBAMA'S actions to TAKEOVER THE US CENSUS and US BANKS, while "DOUBLE-SPEAKING" he has bipartisan support, along with his VERBAL DENIGRATION of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity, and his fellow democrats promotion of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE sounds EEIRILY SIMILAR to the actions of self-proclaimed SOCIALIST LEADER HUGO CHAVEZ in VENEZUELA.

Since coming to power, CHAVEZ has taken over the Orinoco oil fields, taken over the Venezulean telephone company and telephone system, denied government
broadcasting permits to opposition TV and Radio stations, Caracas TV, forcefully put down peaceful opposition protests, and all while lavishing petro-Bolivars (their currency) onto Venezuleans through social welfare programs.

In addition, through the Venezuela-American gasoline company CITGO, he's subsidized heating oil in America.

LET's NOT FORGET TO REMEMBER you central-Illinois CORNFIELD SOCIALISTS to BUY AMERICAN!

If Obama takes the actions of a SOCIALIST, talks like a SOCIALIST, hangs posters in his offices of SOCIALISTS, DOUBLESPEAKS like a socialist, and USURPS power like a SOCIALIST, HE'S a SOCIALIST! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:34 PM:

" Hey Knitwit Harry Potter...

I don't know who Doh is, and Blue Dog Democrat is not me and I'm not him.

So either quite acting like a fool trying to redirect the issue, and debate the issues, or go take The (Drama Queen) Question to a senior citizen home and play scrabble. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:39 PM:

" Cybildog's giving NeoCon a pretty good workout, TQ. I guess he's resting Stanley Stetson up for later use, ala tag team style? You know like those professional wrestlers he no doubt spends a lot of time watching. That is when he's not reading those Soldier of Fortune magazines, or hanging out with special ops types. lol! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:43 PM:

" As for the "ex-special forces (double tabbers) people", one lives fairly close by off of Routes 63 and 154 in Indiana.

Maybe you want to stop by his place and accuse him of being a liar, huh Harry?

Yeah... I already know the answer to that question. "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 6:53 PM:

" That is when he's not reading those Soldier of Fortune magazines, or hanging out with special ops types. lol!
---
You know, Harry, we could send that kicky old coot Chuck Norris and Sybil over to Afghanistan, and all the U.S. troops could come right on home. Sybil's personalities alone could staff a couple of battalions, I imagine. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 7:13 PM:

" You know, Harry, we could send that kicky old coot Chuck Norris and Sybil over to Afghanistan, and all the U.S. troops could come right on home. Sybil's personalities alone could staff a couple of battalions, I imagine. "
------------------------

Or we could let you go to Afghanistan, The (Drama Queen) Question, and let them have there way with you... in a conjugal kind of way!

ROFLMAO! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:02 PM:

" You're the one I'm calling a liar Doh, not you make believe friend. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:17 PM:

" Oh great, look at this.

The New York Times is now warning us that another terrorist attack is probably imminent.

The Coming Swarm

NYT Feb 14 2009 "This pattern suggests that Americans should brace for a coming swarm. Right now, most of our cities would be as hard-pressed as Mumbai was to deal with several simultaneous attacks. Our elite federal and military counterterrorist units would most likely find their responses slowed, to varying degrees, by distance and the need to clarify jurisdiction.

Nightmare possibilities include synchronized assaults on several shopping malls, high-rise office buildings or other places that have lots of people and relatively few exits. Another option would be to set loose half a dozen two-man sniper teams in some metropolitan area you only have to recall the havoc caused by the Washington sniper in 2002 to imagine how huge a panic a slightly larger version of that form of terrorism would cause."

+++++++++

Obama's corrupt incompetence with Porkulus was bad enough, but now the Times is trying to run cover for Obama's inexperience in counterterrorism.

If another attack comes to pass, especially the scenario the Times predicts; The Democrats as a viable political Party, will be finished for decades. Unfortunately, more Americans will have to die in the process. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:19 PM:

" Remember his make believe war hero brother he bragged about when he posted strictly as Doh? The one who saw all that heavy combat in VietNam? Guess he traded him in for his special ops pretend friend, TQ. I guess he couldn't drag that phony brother out without being too obvious, so under his phony NeoCon name, Cybil has made up another one. And this time he's even trying to sick him on me. I think that was one of those my brother will beat you up deals. Ohhhh... please don't sick your make believe soldier on me Doh. LOL!

And as for sending Cybil's crew over to Afghanistan, I suspect the problem with that idea is that he's a chickenhawk, no doubt. All hot air. Keep in mind that his two biggest hero's, Bush and the Dick were draft dodging chickenhawks. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:23 PM:

" Or we could let you go to Afghanistan, The (Drama Queen) Question, and let them have there way with you... in a conjugal kind of way!

Ever notice that Cybildog always manages to work his latent desires into the conversation? I wonder if he might be better off conversing with Larry Craig, Michael Jackson or Mark Foley? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:27 PM:

" Cybildog seems almost gleeful at the prospect of a terrorist attack on this country. One could almost see the joy in his beady little eyes as he pounded out that last post. I find his attitude Pathetic. I guess that's what hatred does to you. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:31 PM:

" Harry's really confused these days folks.

Not only is he in complete denial about his president's dishonesty and incompetence;

Now he thinks everyone is me.....or doh?.....or neo?.....or....ed?...or...stanley stetson?.....or...cedric66?.....or....who wer the others HarryTard?

LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:34 PM:

" Hey speaking of chickenhawks, HarryTard;

why didn't ole Joe Hair-plugs Biden ever end up in Vietnam? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:36 PM:

" I don't know who Doh is, and Blue Dog Democrat is not me and I'm not him.

Of course we believe you Do...uh..Blued...uh Stanley..uh...Cybi...I mean NeoCon. wink wink

My apologies to any of the "crew" I might have missed. lol! "

ed miller wrote on Feb 15, 2009 8:52 PM:

" After weeks of pushing congress to pass his Multi-Generational Financial Rape Act of 2009 immediately, in order to avoid the inevitable financial meltdown inaction would bring, President Obama has decided to delay signing the bill until Tuesday so he can enjoy a weekend home in Chicago with his wife.

Un-Freakin' Believable. This bill had to be printed in the middle of the night and be voted on the next day before anyone could actually read it because it was so important, but the savior can't take 5 seconds out of his schedule to sign the stupid thing.

Good to know our President has the best interest of the country at heart.

BTW, Potter I'm still waiting on you to tell us how great this thing is as soon as you are done worrying about who posts under what name. "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:09 PM:

" Ever notice that Cybildog always manages to work his latent desires into the conversation? I wonder if he might be better off conversing with Larry Craig, Michael Jackson or Mark Foley?
---
I have noticed that, Harry. Well, you may have heard about those studies they did at the University of Georgia, published in the Journal of
Abnormal Psychology, proving that vocal male homophobes have certain "secret desires."
The more they make big noise sneering at gay people, the more they advertise what they really want to do.
It's pretty commonplace. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:28 PM:

" Obama's Rhetoric Is the Real 'Catastrophe'

WSJ Feb 13 2009 President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form. He has repeatedly raised the specter of another Great Depression. First, he did so to win votes in the November election. He has done so again recently to sway congressional votes for his stimulus package.

In his remarks, every gloomy statistic on the economy becomes a harbinger of doom. As he tells it, today's economy is the worst since the Great Depression. Without his Recovery and Reinvestment Act, he says, the economy will fall back into that abyss and may never recover.

This fearmongering may be good politics, but it is bad history and bad economics. It is bad history because our current economic woes don't come close to those of the 1930s. At worst, a comparison to the 1981-82 recession might be appropriate. Consider the job losses that Mr. Obama always cites. In the last year, the U.S. economy shed 3.4 million jobs. That's a grim statistic for sure, but represents just 2.2% of the labor force. From November 1981 to October 1982, 2.4 million jobs were lost -- fewer in number than today, but the labor force was smaller. So 1981-82 job losses totaled 2.2% of the labor force, the same as now.

Job losses in the Great Depression were of an entirely different magnitude. In 1930, the economy shed 4.8% of the labor force. In 1931, 6.5%. And then in 1932, another 7.1%. Jobs were being lost at double or triple the rate of 2008-09 or 1981-82.

his was reflected in unemployment rates. The latest survey pegs U.S. unemployment at 7.6%. That's more than three percentage points below the 1982 peak (10.8%) and not even a third of the peak in 1932 (25.2%). You simply can't equate 7.6% unemployment with the Great Depression. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:31 PM:

" Golly Question,

latent desires?

And this coming from you?

The Drama Queen, who frequently references Broadway Musicals?

Do tell...... "

The Question wrote on Feb 15, 2009 9:33 PM:

" Presidential historians now rank the erstwhile Chimpanzee in Chief Mr. Bush as the 36th worst president, below even Herbert Hoover.
Ouch. Oh, how that must smart.
And yet, just as when he was in college, the rottenest little Republican STILL benefits from grade inflation. After we experience the full effects of the Bush Depression and see what Bush's torture and warmongering lies have really done to this nation, he will forever be ranked as the worst president in history.
Presuming the nation survives his disasters, of course. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:00 PM:

" Hey Question,

Did you hear?

Caterpillar is hiring- Obama said so.

Even though their CEO said they weren't.

BWAAHAA! "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:12 PM:

" * this gets better by the day * the liberal dingdongs against doh * lol * got news for you bright boys, i know exactly who doh is, and it isn't bluedog or neocon * and the two of them are not one in the same * will that clear things up harry dohbaugh bird * if we're all doh, we're honored and happy to be of service to you libtards * thank you * "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Guess he traded him in for his special ops pretend friend, TQ. I guess he couldn't drag that phony brother out without being too obvious, so under his phony NeoCon name, Cybil has made up another one.
---------------

See what happens when Harry doesn't take his meds?

He hallucinates that he's blogged with all these different persona on here.

It's a shame really. Eventually all that liberal dogma eats away at one's mind and soul, as witnessed here with HP.

Ok, HP follow along please now. Focus.

Vietnam was in the '60's and the majority of US forces were out by '73. Maybe you don't remember Vietnam from all the drugs you took then? Clinton's Balkans fiasco under the UN (lest we not forget Clinton's Mogadishu UN fiasco in '93) was during the late '90's. The length of time between these conflicts lowers the probability of the same "persona" being in both conflicts.

Let me help you out a little, HP. There, there, it's all better now. Take your false choppers out and take your incontinence medication. Do you have your adult Depends on? "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 15, 2009 10:46 PM:

" " Presidential historians now rank the erstwhile Chimpanzee in Chief Mr. Bush as the 36th worst president, below even Herbert Hoover.
Ouch. Oh, how that must smart.

we experience the full effects of the Bush Depression and see what Bush's torture and warmongering lies have really done to this nation, he will forever be ranked as the worst president in history.

Presuming the nation survives his disasters, of course. "
-----------------------------

Hey....Drama Queen...Get over it.

Your boy Curious George lied and exagurated his way into office now.

It's an Obamanation now, remember? "

XTownie wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:44 AM:

" Cognitus wrote: "In sum, I think the unanimous vote of Republicans against the Stimulus was (a) ideological and (b) the hope that their vote against it would rile up the public against Obama. I can't name one -- perhaps there are some -- a professionally trained economist in the Republican House who can claim to be expert in the selection of a perfect Stimulus project."

Actually, it is purely political. The Republicans are playing political games and you need look no further than Rove's recent comments about the econonomy "recovering naturally" to see it.

The Republicans always play the "if this, then that" political game. (Something Democrats always fail to strategize for.)

If you can put some cash into a hedge fund on this you'll be making big money because here is how the poltics are going to play out....If the economy does not show signs of recovery (rather if the corporate media is giving air-time to liar Republicans, which they will!) then, the Republicans will be proclaiming "See? This is exactly why I voted against it. I told you it wouldn't work!" BUT, if those benchmarks that Obama has put down to be graded on show improvement, the Republicans will be 24/7 telling America that this was a "natural cycle" and that Obama's Plan has actually "slowed recovery". Bet on it! "

XTownie wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:50 AM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Feb 8, 2009 1:53 PM:

" Sister honey, tax cuts brought more money into the coffers over the last 8 years, not less. Our economy's way of working out its own stimulus package. Let the people do it and not government. But I'm quite sure you and many others who post here are perfectly happy with our money going to support groups like ACORN which has already been found guilty of cheating and is under investigation in many other areas, all favoring the Democrats of course. "

What a HOOT!!!! Ahhhahahahah!!!!! That's the funniest thing on this thread so far!!!! "

The Question wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:32 AM:

" Bill O'Reilly recently ranted against Appalachia, calling the region a lost cause that is full of drunks. For a long time now, Fox News has also made quite clear its seething contempt for California, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Orleans and Washington, D.C., among other areas.
Fox News -- it's the Hate America News Channel.
Now, I know most of the people who watch Fox News are just stupid. Unfortunately, even when their ignorance and stupidity is not willful, it is still extremely dangerous to themselves and to the rest of us.
They do not realize that the right wingers they support caused the troubles they are suffering, pretty ruthlessly and deliberately, and that the liberals they vilify tried to stand up for them.
Ayn Rand got at least one thing right -- in any given circumstance, you have a choice: to think or not to think. Your habitual choice spells either survival or disaster.
If these Fox News fans don't find a way to wise up fast, they'll be wiped out, and it will be a kind of American suicide. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:55 AM:

" The vice president seems to think its a zero-sum game. I think thats one of the things that was on the ballot last November. It was decided. Apparently the vice president is having a hard time dealing with the verdict of the American people."

CBS news-

The above remarks were addressed to ex VP Cheney, but they could have very well been directed toward our very own local skin-head, BlowDogDemocrat. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:17 AM:

" I believe Bill O'Reilly is the Fox news talking head, often referred to as Billo the clown, who was sued for sexual harassment by one of his underlings, wasn't he? Fox news showed their true colors by keeping that pervert on after that sleazy episode. O'Reilly is a good right winger, along the lines of Larry Craig and Mark Foley. lol!

I do have to admit I like watching his show, especially when he gets a guest who bests him and he gets mad and starts screaming or walks off the set. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:39 AM:

" The Associated Press
February 16, 2009
WASHINGTON - Just days after the nation honored the 200th anniversary of his birth, Abraham Lincoln has been named as the nation's best president in a ranking by 65 historians.

George W. Bush, who left office last month, was ranked 36th out of the 42 men who had been chief executive when the survey was conducted by the cable channel C-SPAN.

Bush scored lowest in international relations, 41st, and in economic management, 40th. His highest ranking, 24th, was in pursuing equal justice for all. He placed 25th in crisis leadership and vision and agenda setting.

Holy cow, Jimmy Carter, the Republicans proverbial punching bag even ranked higher than the disgraced Bush. Maybe Bush should volunteer for some hours with Habitat for Humanity. lol!

If historians ranked VP's, I would imagine Spiro Agnew would even rank higher than the Dick. "

warrior wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:02 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 15, 2009 12:18 PM:

" I find it absolutely hilarious that the very same people who are so busy trying to tear down the Obama administration are the same ones who have been defending the Bush administration for the last several years.

What an asinine statement. Of course the same people that supported Bush (called Republicans) are bashing NObama (he's a Democrat), just as the Democrats ran their mouths for 8 years bashing Bush.
So quit your whining and crying and get used to it for the next 4 years.

Now I would like to sit here and tell everyone about all the PORK barrel projects NObama has with this stimulus plan, but like many other people I have to go and plan on how I'm going to spend that extra $13/week thats suppose to help stimulate the economy (LMFAO). "

ed miller wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:11 AM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:32 AM:
" Bill O'Reilly recently ranted against Appalachia, calling the region a lost cause that is full of drunks. For a long time now, Fox News has also made quite clear its seething contempt for California, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Orleans and Washington, D.C., among other areas.
Fox News -- it's the Hate America News Channel.
Now, I know most of the people who watch Fox News are just stupid.

I guess you and Potter would fall into that category since you always seem to have the latest news from FOX.

BTW, are they clinging to their guns and religion as well? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:42 AM:

" Ah come on Stanley Stetson,

can't I be the mythical doh?

I wonder if Harry lost the number to CVS pharmacies?

Hmmmmmmmmmm? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:10 AM:

" Uh...excuse me warrior, but it's your side that doing all the whining and crying.

Your side is predicting doom and gloom after only a few weeks.

We have 8 years of failure to point at. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:21 AM:

" I guess you and Potter would fall into that category since you always seem to have the latest news from FOX.

Absolutely, eddie. But the difference those of us on the left is that we watch other things too, unlike you and Cybil who obviously rely on Fox and Limbaugh exclusively for your "news". "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:53 AM:

" (Neo - "See what happens when Harry doesn't take his meds?")

Oh I think it's more serious than that, Neo.

Obviously Harry's new Obama Commemerative Tin-Foil Hat has a "frequency conflict" with those "Saturn signals" eminating from his toaster. And of course this has created "cross-talk" with the "Jupiter wave-lengths" transmitting from his microwave. Not to mention the fact that he wets himself and forgets his name every time the vacuum fires up.

Oh woe is Harry! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 10:44 AM:

" Now our delusional friend Cybil is talking to himself. I guess that Doh, is so upset that no one will answer your inane questions that he's having to answer them yourself?

Yeah Doh is really fooling us with that type of blatantly phony posting.

I've always thought it was pathetic that he posts under all of those names, but having conversation between himself and his "crew"?

I noticed that he's slipping some of his old Doh jargon back into the conversation, such as the tin foil hat routine for his opponents.

He needs to give up the charade and fess up and go back to his one posting name, Doh. lol! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 12:13 PM:

" (Harry Potter - "I've always thought it was pathetic that he posts under all of those names, but having conversation between himself and his "crew"?)

Yep.

Harry's new "Obama Commemerative Tin-Foil Hat" is definitely a litte "tight-fitting".

*Coo Coo* *Coo Coo*

LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 12:18 PM:

" Attention Harry Potter

From The LATimes

NOT FOXNEWS OR RUSH LIMBAUGH

REPEAT

NOT FROM FOXNEWS OR RUSH LIMBAUGH

Liberals to Obama: What happened to Change?

Obama has been president for less than a month, and his liberal critics concede that the economic crisis has understandably taken the focus off their issues. But some of the issues in play were crucial to building excitement on the left and mobilizing grass-roots support for Obamas candidacy.

"He made very clear promises, and he should live up to them," said Arthur Stamoulis, director of the Oregon Fair Trade Campaign, which received an unqualified "yes" from Obama on a campaign questionnaire last year when the group asked if he would support "Buy American" requirements. "The fact that he's hedging on this is not promising. He's catering much too much to the desires of Republicans who are not going to support the change that voters wanted."

++++++++++

Now be lad Harry, and re-adjust your meds, and change the frequency on your
Obama Commemerative Tin-Foil Hat.

*tee hee hee* "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 PM:

" Brace yourself HarryTard:

As all the sordid details of the massive and wasteful, Porkulus start to come out-

you're going to be very very busy spinning this stink bill into roses.

You better stock up on extra batteries for your "Obama Commemerative Tin-Foil Hat", psycho-twerp.

LOL "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 1:18 PM:

" WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina took umbrage at my writing that his approach to the economic crisis is to do nothing. I'll deal with his "ideas" in a moment, but first let me make a modest proposal:

If Republican politicians are so deeply opposed to President Obama's economic recovery plan, they should refuse to take the money. After all, if you think all that federal spending is damaging, there are easy ways to reduce it: Don't take federal money.

Gov. Sanford can lead the way. South Carolina should decline to accept any federal funds for transportation, education, health care, clean energy or any of the other ideas President Obama is advocating to fix the economy. And the rest of the GOP can follow suit.

Paul Begala-

Good idea, Paul. Let's see how many Republican governors turn the stimulus money down.

I'm especially interested to see how the Maverick from Alaska deals with it.

I'll be sure to report those numbers for the benefit of our Republican friends. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:10 PM:

" History has a way of repeating itself. Over sixty years ago it took a Democrat to get this country back on its feet after a failed Republican administration. Most historians agree that it was FDR's stimulus spending that got the country going again.

Of course he had his right wing distractors too. I saw an interesting show a few years ago on the History Channel about a group of right wingers who actually plotted to overthrow FDR and set up a puppet government with Fascists like control of the country. It turns out the man they chose to head this Fascist type government, a retired Army General, was more loyal to the country than to any right wing political cause, and spilled the beans to congress. I have read that Prescott Bush played a minor role in that plot, and it has been well documented that Bush attended several of the plotters meetings.

These sort of things always leave old Cybil speechless and the best response he can counter with it to drag out his old stale bit about tin foil hats and loony conspiracy theories.

By the way, FDR is regarded as one of the top three presidents in history. That rating comes from presidential historians, and not windbag bloggers like our friend Cybil or any of his "crew" on this site.

Of course the GOP disputes this. In fact one Republican congressman recently said FDR caused the great depression with his spending. Interestingly enough the great depression was at it's height a few years before FDR even took office. But why let facts get in the way of your agenda, right?

Yup, another Democrat comes riding in on his white horse to save the county from the destructive policies of another inept Republican administration.

I've noticed that the right wingers have given up on trying to defend the last administration and have resorted to ignorant and mostly baseless rantings that predict the failure of the Obama administration.

I can't blame them, that's all the have left to do. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:55 PM:

" Well,

looks like Harry (Tin-Foil-Hat) Potter has figured it all out;

Porkulus is all the fault of Bush's Fascist ancestors!

*Coo Coo*

*Coo Coo*

LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:57 PM:

" Will someone please send the Laughing-Wagon over to Tin-Foil-Harry's house.

Oh, and-

take a "special jacket" and a really big butterfly net.

You're gonna need 'em......... "

ed miller wrote on Feb 16, 2009 2:58 PM:

" "I've noticed that the right wingers have given up on trying to defend the last administration and have resorted to ignorant and mostly baseless rantings that predict the failure of the Obama administration."

What's even sadder is that not one of the liberals on here will go on record defending the Multi-Generational Financial Rape Act of 2009. If our rantings are "baseless" then you should easily be able to tell us how we are overreacting and this trillion dollar tax payer gift card for Reid and Pelosi will turn this economy around.

Your line about Obama coming into to rescue us on his white horse has already been used by the terrorists. He's done more for them since coming to office, than you.

Oh, nice to see you off on a rant about Prescott Bush again. That's so relevant. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 3:20 PM:

" (ed miller - "Oh, nice to see you off on a rant about Prescott Bush again. That's so relevant.")

Again Ed?

You mean ole Harry Screw-Loose has done this before?

ROFLMAO!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 3:22 PM:

" Oh, nice to see you off on a rant about Prescott Bush again. That's so relevant

Actually it's not really relevant at all edna, just a little tidbit of history to help you out a little bit, being as you seem to be a tad weak in that area. But I was glad to see that you didn't go off onto one of those tinfoil hat distractions like the pea brain Cybil did. I remind you that I predicted that sort of an inane response from him. He's actually quite predictable. It seems that Cybil doesn't think anyone can do any research on line but him. But I'll bet you did, now didn't you?

And note that I don't even go into Prescott Bush's doing business with the German Nazis before the second world war. I'll save that for another day. lol... "

The Question wrote on Feb 16, 2009 3:25 PM:

" Conservative Republican David Frum noted that the GOP's phony "Nancy Pelosi mouse research" criticism of the stimulus package was profoundly stupid.
"The US economy has plunged into severe recession," Frum said. "Facing all this -- we're talking about mice? Could we possibly act more inadequate to the challenge? More futile? More brain dead?"
Which does shows you that even a little rodent like Frum may occasionally blurt out the truth. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 3:40 PM:

" (HarryTard - "And note that I don't even go into Prescott Bush's doing business with the German Nazis before the second world war. I'll save that for another day. lol... ")

Oh I dare you to go into it Harry.

In fact I double-dog dare ya!

ROFLMAO! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 3:42 PM:

" Actually it was the original comments by several people on here about Prescott Bush's Nazi connection that got old Cybil started with his posting under several names habit. He couldn't refute the story, so he started in with the tin foil hat bit, under multiple names of course, to try to downplay the story. That was about the time he stated giving himself kudos under his various names too. To his credit he has picked up a fan or two along the way who do this for him, and I have noticed that his alter ego's NeoCon and Stanley haven't had to give him any strokes lately. I guess as long as he can get edna and old school to do that he can keep his "crew" out of the kudos business. Right now Cybil has NeoCon over on the abortion threads. I wonder where Stanley is? He must be resting him up for some action tonight. I'm betting Stanley will be back tonight reinforcing Cybil. lol... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 4:02 PM:

" Give us more Harry.

List all the names you think I'm using, and for God sake, PLEASE elaborate on the Bush Nazi thing.

You may need back-up power for your Tin-Foil Hat, Harry; so just give a few twirls on your Tin-Foil propeller and see if that helps.

*snicker* "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 4:25 PM:

" Poor Cybil, you can always tell when he gets caught. He squeals like a stuck pig. It's probably about time for him to start throwing himself some kudos. Look out, here comes Neo or one of his other crew members little to the rescue. Come on guys, Cybil is really hurting for some compliments.

I'll even start, you da man, Doh! "

The Question wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:03 PM:

" Funny that Fox News regards the people who are losing their homes to foreclosure as "deadbeats." But the people who have picked the taxpayers' pockets for billions to pay for their millions in personal bonuses and private jets are fine, upstanding Republican corporate citizens, according to Fox.
Isn't it funny? I find it extremely funny, in a sick, ruthless, GOP kind of way. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:34 PM:

" "But the people who have picked the taxpayers' pockets for billions to pay for their millions in personal bonuses and private jets are fine,...
__________________________________

....like democrats Bernie Madoff, Franklin Raines, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Barack Obama, Nancy Piglosi, and Tim Geithner, get a pass from you socialists. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:40 PM:

" I find it extremely funny, in a sick, ruthless, GOP kind of way. "
-------------------------------

Drama queen, feel the beat from the tambourine...
You can dance, you can jive....
See that girl, watch that scene, dig in the Drama Queen... "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:48 PM:

" Hey TQ, have you noticed that ever since several of us (4 separate posters at last count) called Cybil out for posting under the NeoCon name that all of a sudden he is talking backing and forth between his NeoCon and his BlueDog name? I guess he thinks he's fooling someone. He's even been slipping up and using some of his Doh or BBD jargon when posing as NeoCon and Stanley Stetson.

If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be funny.

Yeah, you da man, Doh! lol... "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:52 PM:

" TQ, he's so stupid that he doesn't even realise what we did to him today. What a moron! Our friend father bob has been doing this to him for months and he still doesn't get it. lol! "

arrass wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:08 PM:

" http://www.nhgazette.com/the-bushnazi-stories/bushnazi-link-confirmed/
http://www.nhgazette.com/the-bushnazi-stories/bushnazi-link-continued/
http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:54 PM:

" " Hey TQ, have you noticed that ever since several of us (4 separate posters at last count) called Cybil out for posting under the NeoCon name that all of a sudden he is talking backing and forth between his NeoCon and his BlueDog name? I guess he thinks he's fooling someone. He's even been slipping up and using some of his Doh or BBD jargon when posing as NeoCon and Stanley Stetson.
If it wasn't so pathetic, it would be funny.
Yeah, you da man, Doh! lol... "
-----------------------------

Hey Harry...

All kidding aside... buddy you'd better lighten up....otherwise you're gonna end in the pysch ward... "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:15 PM:

" arrass wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:08 PM:

" http://www.nhgazette.com/the-bushnazi-stories/bushnazi-link-confirmed/
http://www.nhgazette.com/the-bushnazi-stories/bushnazi-link-continued/
http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp "

Careful, arrass. That's a topic that sends Cybil into a tizzy. lol... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:21 PM:

" (Neo - "Hey Harry...
All kidding aside... buddy you'd better lighten up....otherwise you're gonna end in the pysch ward...")

Are you kidding, Neo?

Where do you think Harry's posting from?

LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:26 PM:

" Harry,

Tell us more about this mythical Doh, and all the names you think I'm using in here.

Oh and, those Nazi Bush sites that arrass referenced just won't cut it. You need to post lots and lots of stories about that topic. And if you could, work in some Cheney quail hunting and McCain cookie recipes.

Lots of luck screwball,

sincerely, your friend BDD and a cast of thousands! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:33 PM:

" See, I told you. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:50 PM:

" " See, I told you. "
------------------
Hey BDD.....

Now he's responding to conversations, evidently, inside of his head.

He's gonna crack soon...and it ain't gonna be pretty. "

arrass wrote on Feb 16, 2009 7:57 PM:

" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

http://www.mbpolitics.com/Bush2000/Vesting.htm "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:53 PM:

" You're right, Neo.

I've been tweaking him for a long time now. I think he's definitely at critical mass.

*hee hee hee*

I know, I know...

I'm evil...... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:55 PM:

" Something on your mind arrass? "

ed miller wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:56 PM:

" " The Question wrote on Feb 16, 2009 6:32 AM: "Now, I know most of the people who watch Fox News are just stupid.

"The Question wrote on Feb 16, 2009 5:03 PM:
" Funny that Fox News regards the people who are losing their homes to foreclosure as "deadbeats."

No comment necessary. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:13 PM:

" I see the delusional Cybil is still talking to himself. lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:18 PM:

" God job arrass, and from Fox news no less. So we know it has to be true, right? Who know maybe those folks over at Fox wear tin foil hats too! lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 16, 2009 9:25 PM:

" Poor old Doh is in such a dither that he can't decide whether he should post as BBD or NeoCon. I've got it, bring Stanley Stetson back as a compromise, Doh. lol... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 10:05 PM:

" Come now Harry,

Give us the complete list of names you think I'm using.

Oh and, don't be stingy with the Nazi Bush stories.

More Harry More! "

Rardinite wrote on Feb 17, 2009 1:45 PM:

" Give me some money Mr. President and i"ll spend it. That would help the ecomony, say 10,000 per tax payer. I would pay off some debts and invest the rest on my home, or use it as a down payment on a bigger one. That would get some money flowing. If everyone got a sizeable check from the government, do you think they would hoard it all? Some would invest in a new vehicle, or home. I'd be more than happy to pay taxes on it, that way the gov. would get a portion of it back, everyone would be happy, and it would put some money in circulation. "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 17, 2009 7:40 PM:

" the stimulus package is just an attempt to make it look something is being done, in reality nothing can be done, everyone will cry foul one way or the other "

arrass wrote on Feb 19, 2009 8:25 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:55 PM:
" Something on your mind arrass? "

Yeah. Im wondering if you have the courage of your sanctimonious convictions and will either admit you were wrong about it being illegal for rendition subjects to be brought back into this country or cite a credible source for your assertion.

Prescott Bush and his business dealings with the Thyssen family are well documented for anyone interested in the truth. Although it is fair to say business dealings dont make him a Nazi. "

Native American wrote on Feb 19, 2009 12:48 PM:

" Rardinite wrote on Feb. 17, 2009 1:45 p.m. "Give me some money Mr. President I'll spend it. That would help the economy. Say 10,000 per tax payer."

I agree with you that would have been a wonderful thing to have been a part of this so called stimulus package. It was one of the amendments submitted but was voted down by the Majority Party.

However, as usual, the Democrats think they are the only ones who are smart enough to determine how we should spend our money, and live our lives.

Which is a shame, for they are no longer the Democratic Party of our Grandparents. They have been blinded by power, and overcome by greed and selfishness. For they no longer have our Nation's best interest at heart. Just their place within government control. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 21, 2009 11:17 AM:

" (arrass - "Yeah. Im wondering if you have the courage of your sanctimonious convictions and will either admit you were wrong about it being illegal for rendition subjects to be brought back into this country or cite a credible source for your assertion.")

I did cite a "credible source" knuckle head- The LA Times.

But here's another source for you, dim-wit:

EXTRADITION OF TERROR SUSPECTS FOUNDERS

The Washington Post (Dec 21 2009)

"As the long-delayed British extraditions show, it is extraordinarily difficult to bring international terrorism suspects to justice by prosecuting them in U.S. civilian courts.

The cases underscore the challenge facing President-elect Barack Obama as he tries to find a way to close the Navy prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and end the military tribunals set up by the Bush administration to handle terrorism cases from abroad.

Britain and other allies have long complained about Guantanamo, the tribunals and extralegal U.S. tactics used to fight al-Qaeda. At the same time, however, they have often blocked or resisted efforts by the U.S. government to prosecute accused terrorists in federal court.

Other allies have also been reluctant to extradite terrorism suspects for trial in the United States, sometimes letting them go free instead."

++++++

But this entire debate is now moot because The Obama Administration's own extensive investigation and Obama's very own Justice Dept have just determined that:

GITMO MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION

*AND*

DETAINEES BEING HELD AT BAGRAM AIR BASE IN AFGHANISTAN HAVE "NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS"

LOL!

Go back to sleep arrass. Oh and, feel free to slip back to your original posting name: HARRY POTTER

ROFLMAO

Thanks for making me look brilliant...AGAIN!

LOL "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 22, 2009 7:01 AM:

" Prescott Bush and his business dealings with the Thyssen family are well documented for anyone interested in the truth. Although it is fair to say business dealings dont make him a Nazi. "

You're wasting your time with this issue arrass, Cybil is in total denial of any issue that would make his precious Bush family look bad. He obviously worships that outfit. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 22, 2009 5:07 PM:

" I find our friends Cybil's accusing someone of posting under another name absolutely hilarious. But I'm not surprised, because it seems liars always think everyone else is a liar too.

Maybe Cybil needs to drag Stanley Stetson out to complain about it again.

I wonder if Stanley will get upset with BBD over his issue like he did me? LOL! "

Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 22, 2009 7:58 PM:

" * bdd may be a wanker but harry enjoys playing with his stick more * miss the short bus again cracker i mean harry * harry tweezer potter must be having a prozac moment * lol * "

arrass wrote on Feb 22, 2009 9:39 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 21, 2009 11:17 AM:

" (arrass - "Yeah. Im wondering if you have the courage of your sanctimonious convictions and will either admit you were wrong about it being illegal for rendition subjects to be brought back into this country or cite a credible source for your assertion.")

I did cite a "credible source" knuckle head- The LA Times.

"Under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States."

Prominent human rights lawyers, as well as The European Parliament have declared rendition illegal under international law. In late 2007, the U.S. House voted to end CIA renditions, however, the prohibition was never passed in the Senate.

That article does not say it is illegal to bring subjects of rendition back to this coumtry. The last I heard was that the House and the Senate have to pass a bill and the President has to sign it for it to be in effect. If we are already doing what is illegal under international law by kidnapping people, why would it be any more of a crime to bring them here than to some foreign country?

But here's another source for you, dim-wit:

I wondered how long it would take for you to start with the name calling.

EXTRADITION OF TERROR SUSPECTS FOUNDERS

The Washington Post (Dec 21 2009)

"As the long-delayed British extraditions show, it is extraordinarily difficult to bring international terrorism suspects to justice by prosecuting them in U.S. civilian courts.

The cases underscore the challenge facing President-elect Barack Obama as he tries to find a way to close the Navy prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and end the military tribunals set up by the Bush administration to handle terrorism cases from abroad.

Britain and other allies have long complained about Guantanamo, the tribunals and extralegal U.S. tactics used to fight al-Qaeda. At the same time, however, they have often blocked or resisted efforts by the U.S. government to prosecute accused terrorists in federal court.

Other allies have also been reluctant to extradite terrorism suspects for trial in the United States, sometimes letting them go free instead."

That article is about extradition. That is something completely different than the renditions we were discussing, now isnt it? Or shall I put up a link to an online dictionary for you?

++++++

But this entire debate is now moot because The Obama Administration's own extensive investigation and Obama's very own Justice Dept have just determined that:

GITMO MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION

Sure it does. When I send the fox to investigate the henhouse he always comes back and tells me everything is A-OK.

*AND*

DETAINEES BEING HELD AT BAGRAM AIR BASE IN AFGHANISTAN HAVE "NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS"

Who said they did. Certainly not me.

LOL!

Go back to sleep arrass. Oh and, feel free to slip back to your original posting name: HARRY POTTER

Dont be ridiculous.
Harry Potter is a hyperbolic partisan hack just like you. The only difference is that I dont sense the hate and childish vindictiveness in his posts that positively glow from yours

ROFLMAO

Thanks for making me look brilliant...AGAIN!

How brilliant do you look when the article from the LA Times said just the opposite of your assertion and the other article was about an entirely different process?

LOL " "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 23, 2009 6:47 AM:

" Stanley Stetson wrote on Feb 22, 2009 7:58 PM:

" * bdd may be a wanker but harry enjoys playing with his stick more * miss the short bus again cracker i mean harry * harry tweezer potter must be having a prozac moment * lol

Right on time, now when will Blowdog bring NeoCon into the mix? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 23, 2009 6:51 AM:

" Thanks for making me look brilliant...AGAIN!

How brilliant do you look when the article from the LA Times said just the opposite of your assertion and the other article was about an entirely different process?

The answer is simple, Blowdog obviously suffers from delusions of grandeur, arrass. He's a text book example. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 23, 2009 10:26 AM:

" Hey Harry/arrass...or whatever name your using today Harry;

I'm going to continue this debate over on the thread-

(LETTER: Headline on Burris 'politically motivated')

Found here: http://tinyurl.com/cg4sgg "

father bob wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:44 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 23, 2009 6:51 AM:
"The answer is simple, Blowdog obviously suffers from delusions of grandeur, arrass. He's a text book example. """"

he's also a sociopath suffering from social anxiety disorder.....the main reason he sits and posts 18 hours per day.

this is pretty typical, as he can vent frustrations, hatred and fear without being in contact with actual human beings. he's not a well educated person. while somewhat intelligent, he fixates on a source of information and transforms data into an end product that he can rationalize, not necessarily factual, but one he believes is true. when outside sources question, or find fault with his rationale, he strikes back vehemently with quick surgical personal strikes....ones he could never muster courage to do in a real setting.

textbook case. "

arrass wrote on Feb 23, 2009 2:53 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 23, 2009 10:26 AM:
" Hey Harry/arrass...or whatever name your using today Harry;

I'm going to continue this debate over on the thread-

(LETTER: Headline on Burris 'politically motivated')

Found here: http://tinyurl.com/cg4sgg "

Of course you are. That will make all of your twisting and spinning easier for you and more difficult for anyone else to follow. It started on the Gitmo closing thread which is now archived. "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 25, 2009 7:01 PM:

" lol why can't we be friends lol, maybe we should hold the first annual bloggers meeting "