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Friday, February 6, 2009 4:04 PM CST
LETTER: Let Republicans say why they want US to fail

GREGORY JENNINGS, Mattoon

Then, the Republicans can explain why it is that they want our great nation to fail.

If that is how they really feel, they should all just pack it up and go home.

We’ll fix the country without their “help.”

GREGORY JENNINGS

Mattoon

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Tom Andres wrote on Feb 5, 2009 12:16 AM:

" Perhaps the label you wish to attack is Conservatives, not necessarily Republicans. And by the way, Gregory, the issue is socialism versus capitalism, not Republicans versus Democrats. I can understand your confusion because, sadly, it's been hard to tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats for the last several years.

Oh, and Conservatives do not want our great nation to fail. In fact, they're very concerned right now that Obama's political agenda, if carried out to its fullest, will cause that to happen. It's Obama's political agenda that the Conservatives want to see stopped - before he totally erases the line between public service and private enterprise.

There, feel better now? Think of it this way, Gregory, we're the calvary for cryin out loud! You should thank your lucky stars that we're still going to be here to pick up the pieces after Obama has done everything he can to destroy us.

There, there. You'll be OK. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 5, 2009 12:37 AM:

" Just please explain how these Democrat's stimulus bill will fix anything. "

Techno-less wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:18 AM:

" There does seem to be a lot of people out there just gunning for the new President and other reps to fail. I don't really understand this, since it would be better for us if they succeeded. Maybe it is time to quit the incessant Obama bashing, and to begin offering support to someone who will have a great impact on our lives for the next four to eight years.

If you want to offer some real, usable input that might help influence the issues you are concerned about, contact your representatives or go to the White House website. You can actually send your comments directly to those making the decisions. Instead of what usually goes on: a lot of solves nothing, muttering under the breath insults and innuendo from people who mostly have the political astuteness of an unripe tomato.

At the very least, you should probably consider doing some better background research about your topic before spouting out and showing everybody how ignorant you actually are. I have checked a lot of the so-called facts spewed about here, and they aren't anywhere close to being 100% accurate under scrutiny.

And for those who might read them who believe that if it is printed by the media, then it is true...caveat emptor. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 5, 2009 7:13 AM:

" Techno-less wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:18 AM:

" There does seem to be a lot of people out there just gunning for the new President and other reps to fail. I don't really understand this, since it would be better for us if they succeeded. Maybe it is time to quit the incessant Obama bashing, and to begin offering support to someone who will have a great impact on our lives for the next four to eight years.

Well said, techno. But I imagine this sites biggest Obama basher will take issue with you. His idea of civic duty is to sit at his computer and mock Obama 24/7. "

The Question wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:32 AM:

" The porcine pundit Rush Limbaugh is now the de facto master of the Republican Party. Fall in line, boys, Wheres that famous Republican goose-stepping slavish obedience, the kind that makes you take a 28-gauge shotgun blast to the face and then apologize to the sociopathic drunk who shot you?
Stand by your loudmouth dropout tub of lard, GOP! Go down with the ship, my valiant captains of Jesus-drenched greed and intolerance! "

Collatine wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:40 AM:

" The stimulus bill is the liberal justification for rewarding special interests during the election. It assumes that Washington politicians understand how to spend money better than individuals with families to feed and shareholders to please. It assumes it's better to move capital out of the private sector, give it to Washington politicians to place where they want.

It's not so much that capitalists want these policies to fail... it's that the policies WILL fail, as they have in other command economies over in the last century.

To really stimulate the economy, you'd cut corporate taxes to zero for a year (but leave the tax on capital gains), while balancing the federal budget by slashing spending - by starting with the defense budget, which is larger than the rest of the world's combined. That will attract global investments and jobs unlike anything we've ever seen. Global wealth creation is the best creator of peace anyway, not the military.

I hope Obama succeeds, but he'll only succeed by balancing the budget, like Clinton did (remember the 90s anyone??), allowing private capital to flow where it needs, and where it'll do the most good. "

The Question wrote on Feb 5, 2009 9:06 AM:

" Tell me, have you followed the world economy over the last few months? If so, you've seen Bushs corporate kleptocracy policies in action.
We have put this nation in hock to the Chinese to the tune of double-digit trillions. We have invaded and destroyed a country that presented no threat to this nation, at a cost of $3 billion a week and hundreds of thousands of lives. We have thrown another borrowed trillion at the corporate crooks who caused the global economic meltdown, as a reward for their efforts. We have kidnapped, secretly imprisoned and tortured people, guilty and innocent. We have buzz-sawed the protections enshrined in the Constitution of the United States, which had been one of the crowning achievements of civilization.
And we have done all these things because a monkey and his organ grinder vice president thought they would be a good idea.
The liberals are constantly reviled for being repeatedly proven correct. People who are dead wrong never forgive you for being right. "

oldschool wrote on Feb 5, 2009 9:08 AM:

" I agree "Techno-less" and believe me,I have been in touch with our representatives regarding this spending bill and other issues. I also like "Tom Andres" view on the support of our new president...well stated. It's kind of like the liberals supporting the troops (lol) but not the war. I support my president and wish him success on behalf of the country....I just don't support his policies and vision to get us working again. How is that so hard to understand for the liberals? He doesn't have a track record that I can embrace and trust in regards to what he wants to do. Then you compound that with the likes of Harry Reid and Pelosi...well, how can I not be at least skeptical in the remedies that are being touted?

I am a conservative, thus I believe Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd and Chuck Schumer and all the rest of the folks that created this melt-down should held accountable. This includes all the Fannie Mae ...Freddie Mac crowd as well as any CEO's and managers that worked in the fiancial arena that enabled and worked hand in hand with this group of "Washington leaders"?

I believe that at a 35% tax rate on our corporations we should lower that by 15% to 20%, I believe we should reward achievers and job creaters with lower taxes. I believe we should be looking to eliminate the death penalty tax...(or do only rich people die) at least for a couple years. I believe as always, we should continue to help those that can't (not won't) help themselves. I believe there should be tax breaks on any out of pocket expensives regarding health care not covered by insurance. And until the markets gain it's edge we should be looking at tax breaks on investment. I believe that if these spoken remedies were put into place all we would have to do is sit back and watch this country heal at sonic speed

I am a conservative first so politically I don't trust this congress nor the president, however if he neads me in a crisis in which conservatism is embraced...I'm there. And of course if our beloved country and/or he is under attack from afar with bad intentions towards all of us....I'm there...Thank you very much..Im here all day. "

Tom Andres wrote on Feb 5, 2009 10:26 AM:

" Techno-less, I'm surprised at the ambiguous critical tone of your post. Out of character for you, isnt it? When making accusations on here (for example, that the opposition is gunning for the president), it would be helpful to have specific examples. And, please, dont go down the race-baiting road. The gunning is not directed towards the president, but his liberal capitalist-destroying agenda.

As to contacting our representatives to help influence the issues, I think thats precisely whats going on. The websites of Durbin and Johnson are jammed with emails. The Burris website would also be jammed if he actually HAD a website.

Its true that there are outrageous claims and accusations made in some posts on here, but do not discount the readers ability to sort the wheat from the chaff. There are posters on all sides who do quite well at defining and debating the meat of the issues. Im sure you consider the name calling as counterproductive, and I agree; but you have to look past all that. Thats the chaff.

Rather than castigating the resident posters here, how about addressing the issues, shedding some light on whats happening in our nations capital? Address the issues, not the personalities. "

even steven wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:38 AM:

" Obama has surrounded himself with tax cheats and lobbyists. Doesn't that bother anyone? "

ed miller wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:43 AM:

" I still have yet to see ONE solitary poster get on here and defend the great Democratic stimulus bill and tell us how their great messiah will turn around the economy. "

father bob wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:56 AM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:32 AM:
" The porcine pundit Rush Limbaugh is now the de facto master of the Republican Party. Fall in line, boys, Wheres that famous Republican goose-stepping slavish obedience, the kind that makes you take a 28-gauge shotgun blast to the face and then apologize to the sociopathic drunk who shot you?
Stand by your loudmouth dropout tub of lard, GOP! Go down with the ship, my valiant captains of Jesus-drenched greed and intolerance! """""

counldn't have said it better Q "

The Question wrote on Feb 5, 2009 12:47 PM:

" I still have yet to see ONE solitary poster get on here and defend the great Democratic stimulus bill and tell us how their great messiah will turn around the economy.
-----
I don't know if Obama can fix the wrecked world economy or not, Eddie. But he didn't wreck it, and I know who did -- the corporate kleptocrat party you have vocally supported for years. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 5, 2009 1:00 PM:

" Fall in line, boys, Wheres that famous Republican goose-stepping slavish obedience, the kind that makes you take a 28-gauge shotgun blast to the face and then apologize to the sociopathic drunk who shot you?

I remember that bizarre incident, TQ. It was strange to see the victim of Cheney's drunken shooting spree hold a press conference and apologize to the drunk who shot him.

Republicans are a strange breed indeed, after all look at what the tried to pass off as VP material the last go around. Sarah Palin made Dan Quayle look like a genius.

I guess you would have to be drunk in order to hit any wing clipped birds being released from a box off the back of a pickup truck.

I don't recall, did Cheney hit anything other than his hunting partner during that drunken spree? "

The Question wrote on Feb 5, 2009 1:11 PM:

" As Ed Naha observed, Republicans refuse to acknowledge that it was, for the most part, flint-hearted Republican fiscal policies that caused this mess in the first place. From tax cuts for the wealthy to de-regulation to bankruptcy "reforms" and allowing mortgage lenders to operate like W.C. Fields in "Never Give A Sucker An Even Break," Republicans were out to shape this nation in their own image. They did. It ain't pretty.
Still, they don't get it. Or refuse to. Not quite seeing how we're financially flat-lining, they don't believe their current fall from grace occurred because of their policies but because of their P.R. "

Becky wrote on Feb 5, 2009 1:40 PM:

" I don't like this stimulis bill either. I didn't like the bail out bill either. That's not what free enterprise is about. Now the government wants to tell corps. how to pay their employees. It's already too much for my tastes. We need to slash spending, especially to the military industrial complex, cut corporate taxes, cut at least 15% of federal govt (just for starters) and get them out of our pockets. And no, I don't see how having the fed print money to shower our economy with is going to do anything but totally deflate the dollar. In turn, it will cost us $50 for a loaf of bread when all is said and done. "

father bob wrote on Feb 5, 2009 3:12 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 5, 2009 1:00 PM:
"I don't recall, did Cheney hit anything other than his hunting partner during that drunken spree? """""

cheney shot one of a downstate NM mayor's brothers in the face and neck about 20 years ago. exactly the same deal....booze and hunting. i remember the guy being on letterman shortly after cheney's latest attempt at shooting quail. "

jeffju1 wrote on Feb 5, 2009 3:36 PM:

" Mr. Jennings - There's been no Republican that I recall who has stated that they want the nation to fail. Obviously you're referring to Limbaugh's desire for Obama to "fail" if his agenda includes nationalization of commerce, for example. On the other hand, several high profile Democrats have pined for our military effort in the middle east to fail, such as Sen. Ried. You seem to be projecting this calumny of the Democrats onto Republicans. Please don't, it's not appropriate. Jeff Nelson "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:09 PM:

" such a mild letter is going to end up in another who can fix what deal lol "

father bob wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:44 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:09 PM:
" such a mild letter is going to end up in another who can fix what deal lol """"

pretty much.....just an old GOP pattern.

1) distort the truth to fit the need
2) blast it totally out of context
3) make it as personal as possible

you can see it over and over. very predicable. "

The Question wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:44 PM:

" The Republicans supposedly think "tax cuts" will rescue a world economy destroyed by deregulated fraud. How laughable. We've had a decade of nothing but tax cuts, and THIS is where we are.
What the Republicans really mean, of course, is that they want to do nothing but protect the rich as millions of Americans lose their jobs, their health care, the roofs over their heads, even the food on their plates.
None of them will say it, but that's what they mean. The actions of the congressional Republicans are making that quite clear right now. "

out-there wrote on Feb 5, 2009 5:41 PM:

" out-there wrote on Feb 4, 2009 6:49 PM:
" This just in C>B>S news Republicans push pork project for John McCain
Tax breaks for the wealthy so they can create new job!!!!!.Don't hold your breath in line for one of these jobs this concept only sends jobs over sea.
Just think of all the empty Factorys here in this country that could be
manufacturing equipment for solar,
and wind and the jobs for installing them.Check your local court house for
banks that owen property.That could be
turned into a investment in renewable energy.Made in the U.S.A. " "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 5, 2009 5:51 PM:

" cheney shot one of a downstate NM mayor's brothers in the face and neck about 20 years ago. exactly the same deal....booze and hunting. i remember the guy being on letterman shortly after cheney's latest attempt at shooting quail. "

Wow, thanks for the update, fb. I hadn't realized he was a repeat offender. This bozo should have one of those blow into breath testers (the type they put on some chronic drunk drivers vehicles) on his hunting guns. Either that or his hunting license should stipulate that he can only hunt alone. On second thought, it might be OK if he took several lawyers with him on his hunting trips. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 5, 2009 6:52 PM:

" I just thought of something, our friend Blowdog seems to be a loyal Cheney fan, perhaps we could arrange a hunting trip for those two. Anyone got Cheney's phone number? lol! "

chewey wrote on Feb 5, 2009 7:02 PM:

" the ultra-lib dems,obama&company need to say why they want us to fail.just look at all the garbage spoken of in the stimulous package proposed,mostly things that have nothing to do with job stability or creation.contraception,funding of abortion overseas,national endowment for the arts,std awareness,and the lists goes on and on.is it any wonder that only 34% of americans (reps&dems) approve of this toilet paper legislation? seems to me that you need to live north of I80,nyc,frisco or france.you are a fish out of water.i know that the republicans dropped the ball and they admit it,i never agreed with them entirely.most of america is saying cut the crap and put together a bill that is focused and tageted at job creation, serious tax relief,and anything that makes sense.the corruption issues are a whole nother story. "

chewey wrote on Feb 5, 2009 7:15 PM:

" mr jennings, congradulations to your hero "slick willy" and his kind.thanks to nafta via b.c my job is now in mexico. nafta has been a knife at the throat of the american workforce,and you did believe that he "did'nt inhale" or have "sexual relations" with that woman "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 5, 2009 7:27 PM:

" America already failed when it elected a corrupt inexperienced community organizer to The White House.

For the good of this country, I hope the corrupt inexperienced community organizer fails miserably.

And if his first two weeks are any indication; failure is pretty much assured. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 5, 2009 7:52 PM:

" Yep, still no one will come on here and say the stimulus bill is a good idea. They would rather ramble on about Cheney's hunting escapades or Obama's college record or other pointless drivel. I see they are also still trying to blame the whole thing on the GOP when they were on record warning about Fannie and Freddie before. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:21 PM:

" chewey wrote on Feb 5, 2009 7:15 PM:

" mr jennings, congradulations to your hero "slick willy" and his kind.thanks to nafta via b.c my job is now in mexico. nafta has been a knife at the throat of the american workforce,and you did believe that he "did'nt inhale" or have "sexual relations" with that woman "

Sorry chewey, but the NAFTA concept was a Republican scheme to help corporate America maximize its profits at the expense of the working class. Did you really think the Democratic party came up with the NAFTA idea? "Slick Willy" only signed off on it to take the heat off himself for his carrying on with Monica. After reading your post, I think I understand more clearly why the Republican party actually attracts working stiffs.

Another classic case of Stockholm syndrome? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 5, 2009 8:24 PM:

" Another thought on that Cheney hunting idea, the maggot could provide the dog too. I heard he had one. LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 5, 2009 9:45 PM:

" Obama: NAFTA not so bad after all

CNN Money (June 18 2008)

(Obama) backed off his harshest attacks on the free trade agreement and indicated he didn't want to unilaterally reopen negotiations on NAFTA.

"Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.

Obama's tone stands in marked contrast to his primary campaign's anti-NAFTA fusillades. The pact creating a North American free-trade zone was President Bill Clinton's signature accomplishment; but NAFTA is also the bugaboo of union leaders, grassroots activists and Midwesterners who blame free trade for the factory closings they see in their hometowns.

+++++++++

NAFTA, yet another Obama flip-flop "

Mike P wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:03 PM:

" What's the tab on democratic nation building just in Iraq, so far?

Stimulus packages are pork. Bailouts are pork. Bailout #1 was undercooked, pork, with hook worm, and a huge tapeworm. Some of the additional stipulations, might be seen as treating some of the intestinal discomfort.

When this kind of thing is lumped all together, outrage over it sees a peak. When it happens little by little, over periods of time, only bridge to nowhere type things, if that, get any back of the neck fur raised. Many of the same folks opposing this all at once infusion, snuck their pet projects in under the radar, when and where they could.

I have a spoiled pork provision that was in this, that I lost track of, my self. There was a provision to give especially the nations largest home builders a feel free to claim losses against the taxes on profits over the last five years. I haven't heard if its still in. It crossed my radar, and then disappeared. They were up to their eyes in creating the housing mess, and should be one of the last to get a penny for their now overextended crisis in collapse. Oil companies should be excluded from the taksie backsies on their profits taxes as well. Its strange how now that oil is less than 50 a barrel, Drill baby Drill, has fallen silent. The new head of the GOP was reportedly the one who coined or revived that slogan.

The stimulus should be seen as tube feeding the criticly ill, rather than the normal IV drip that was ok as long as it was snuck into something else, and not directly tied to anyone specificly proposing it, or voting for it.

Many a help the kids and kittens bill, could pass the mustard back home, even if it also had millions for re bricking the yellow brick road. Bring the pork out in the light of day, and that curtain flings open and fake outrage eminates over the completely outrageous thought of it.

This is a national package, all 50 states. If it reaches a trillion dollars, its only 20 billion per state. Illinois is looking at a deficit of 9 billion, many states have even bigger than that. They have not invested in roads and bridges much, for years. Do we just write 50 checks for 20 billion to each state, and trust the states to make the best use of the money? Do we split it up per capita by state, or how do we get 1 trillion dollars in the economy, and make sure some neglected things come of it, and jobs? "

dc wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:51 PM:

" This debate is exactly what Obama said he could repair in this nation. Obama says quit the gamesmanship and sign the bill. This equates to quit what you believe and just sign it. So far I think most would agree Obama is failure. Completely out of touch with working americans. We should not sell the white house to the wealthy anymore. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 6:57 AM:

" even steven wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:38 AM:

" Obama has surrounded himself with tax cheats and lobbyists. Doesn't that bother anyone? "

I don't think you should be losing any sleep over Obama's aides, even.

I would remind you that it's the Reagan administration that still holds the record for the most cabinet members and tops aides having to leave the White house under a cloud of suspicion and disgrace.

Have you forgotten how many of them Bush the elder had to pardon to keep them from being prosecuted for their criminal acts?

So does that mean it was Ronald Reagans fault that he chose people with characters defects? Are you holding Obama to a higher standard that you held Reagan?

We don't know how history will view Obama, but I think it's pretty well established that Reagan is viewed favorably, despite having so many of his team forced out in disgrace, perhaps Obama will be regarded as a success too.

Perhaps we should wait a while before writing his political obituary. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 6, 2009 7:45 AM:

" Obama promised during his campaign that lobbyists "won't find a job in my White House."

But alas, ALL Obama promises come with clarifications and expiration dates.

HERE'S A LIST OF LOBBYISTS THAT MANAGED TO SOMEHOW FIND A JOB IN OBAMA'S WHITE HOUSE:

- Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, was registered to lobby until 2004 on behalf of clients including Global Crossing, a bankrupt telecommunications firm [now confirmed].

- Tom Vilsack, secretary of agriculture nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year on behalf of the National Education Association.

- William Lynn, deputy defense secretary nominee, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for defense contractor Raytheon, where he was a top executive.

- William Corr, deputy health and human services secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until last year for the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, a non-profit that pushes to limit tobacco use.

- David Hayes, deputy interior secretary nominee, was registered to lobby until 2006 for clients, including the regional utility San Diego Gas & Electric.

- Mark Patterson, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, was registered to lobby as recently as last year for financial giant Goldman Sachs.

- Ron Klain, chief of staff to Vice President Joe Biden, was registered to lobby until 2005 for clients, including the Coalition for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express and drug-maker ImClone.

- Mona Sutphen, deputy White House chief of staff, was registered to lobby for clients, including Angliss International in 2003.

- Melody Barnes, domestic policy council director, lobbied in 2003 and 2004 for liberal advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center for Reproductive Rights.

- Cecilia Munoz, White House director of intergovernmental affairs, was a lobbyist as recently as last year for the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group.

- Patrick Gaspard, White House political affairs director, was a lobbyist for the Service Employees International Union.

- Michael Strautmanis, chief of staff to the presidents assistant for intergovernmental relations, lobbied for the American Association of Justice from 2001 until 2005.

This list doesnt even include Tom Daschle, who never registered as a lobbyist but got paid millions for his political connections in pursuit of preferential treatment for his clients in the health-care industry.

NOW REMEMBER KIDS:

THIS IS "CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN"

SO DO YOU BELIEVE IT? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 6, 2009 8:00 AM:

" But but but, I thought Obama ended torture and rendition?

OBAMA'S NEW CIA CHIEF: SURE, I'D GET ROUGH IN A TICKING BOMB SCENARIO

From the NewYorkTimes:

PANETTE OPEN TO TOUGHER METHODS IN SOME C.I.A. INTERROGATION

(Feb 5 2009) "If we had a ticking bomb situation, and obviously, whatever was being used I felt was not sufficient, I would not hesitate to go to the president of the United States and request whatever additional authority I would need," Mr. Panetta said in his nomination hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee......

Mr. Panetta also said the agency would continue the Bush administration practice of "rendition" picking terrorism suspects off the street and sending them to a third country. But he said the agency would refuse to deliver a suspect into the hands of a country known for torture or other actions "that violate our human values."

++++++++

All of you Obama lemmings may now form a line as each of you humbly offer your apologies for ever doubting me on Obama's "torture loopholes".

Let me say this again:

ALL Obama promises come with clarifications and expiration dates.

Ordinary honest people call these "lies" and "flip flops", but if it helps you delusional Libs sleep better, we'll just refer to them as "clarifications" and "expiration dates".

There now, all better? "

The Question wrote on Feb 6, 2009 8:09 AM:

" Nearly 600,000 American jobs were lost to the Bush Depression in January, the most since 1974. The U.S. economy is in a death spiral, and the congressional Republicans want to do nothing but play the violins in the Tax Cut Minuet for their very, very rich masters. "

Julio wrote on Feb 6, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Even I hoped that Bush would be great for this country but he wasn't.
If you can't see that you need to stop drinking the cool aid.

Bushes greatest accomplishment was throwing a strike at Yankee stadium after 911. "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 6, 2009 8:54 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 5, 2009 7:27 PM:

" America already failed when it elected a corrupt inexperienced community organizer to The White House.

For the good of this country, I hope the corrupt inexperienced community organizer fails miserably.

And if his first two weeks are any indication; failure is pretty much assured. "

right because in two weeks so much can be done, I think Bush took his first 2 weeks off, I like how you think someone who actually worked for the community is inexperienced, I can only imagine where we would be right now if an old timer like yourself had been elected, either way your statement of hoping for failure was spoken like a true American, ignorant "

The Question wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:52 AM:

" Who is OPPOSING President Obama's proposed $500,000 cap for pay for executives at banks that take taxpayer bailout money? Congressional Republicans, that's who!
The GOP slaves can't bear the thought that one of their masters might not be able to buy that Rembrandt he has his eye on, or might be unable to keep up the mortgage payments on his tropical island. It's all too, too frightening. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:57 AM:

" This ignorance that is piling up in this column is beyond understanding.

Some claim that Obama is trying to destroy the capitalist system. These clowns do not understand THAT THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM HAD BEEN DESTROYED THE DAY THAT OBAMA TOOK OFFICE.
Some are moaning about the cost of the Stimulus bill -- yet they sat there quietly for 8 years while George Bush DOUBLED THE NATIONAL DEBT AND I NEVER HEARD A WHISPER OF COMPLAINT FROM THEM.
In the first years of the Iraq war, US officials were taking off across Iraq carrying BALES OF CURRENCY, flinging it into the air in the hope as it showered down on the Iraqi it would buy us friends -- it didn't. But George "Messiah" Bush never spoke out or demanded accounting as to where the money had gone and what it bought us.
There are all sorts of claims that Obama lied to the people and appointed people who were flawed. Don't they remember Iran-Contra under Reagan where more than a dozen people were convicted.
Reagan himself denied that he had traded money for hostages, but later PUBLICLY ADMITTED that he was wrong, that he had lied to the people. Remember George HW claimed he was "out of the loop" in an attempt to avoid being involved, but Weinberger had WRITTEN NOTES taken during meetings showing that HW was TELLING US ALL A LIE, so when it became obvious that Weinberger was going to come to trial under oath and tell that HW was NOT "out of the loop", HW pardoned him to save his own *****.
Rush Limbaugh, president of the Oxycontin League, A DRUGGIE who used influence to escape prosecution, meanwhile becomes the MESSIAH of the Republican Party. Has the OXYCONTIN MESSIAH made a positive comment of any kind about any variety of Stimulus? He has not. This blow-hard, this COWARD who slipped out of military service by a pimple on his XXX, can do nothing constructive, and only rant and rave, spreading falsehoods that are sucked up and repeated by the dittoheads who regard him as their MESSIAH.

But do not forget this: it was George Bush who doubled the national debt; it was George Bush who sold your country to Communist China {ever think what would happen if (a) they stopped buying our bonds or, worse, (b) threw them onto the world market}.

It was George Bush who passed the first Stimulus bill, with no restrictions, so CEOs could shower Billions in bonuses on their friends, do million dollar improvement on their offices (remember the CEO who said, "I just couldn't work in an office with the same decoration and furniture my predecessor used), and buy new multi-million corporate jets. George Bush, who was still in the White House,
made no complaints -- these folks were his friends and he was delighted to see them doing well.

I've had enough of the ignorant attacks I've read in these comments; I'm checking out and leaving the field to the MESSIAH Limbaugh and those who worship him. Anybody who, in the midst of the most desperate time in our country in the last 100 years, wishes FAILURE of the leader, if successful,
should be awarded a PRIZE: a hunting trip with Dick Cheney. "

father bob wrote on Feb 6, 2009 10:05 AM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 6, 2009 8:09 AM:
" Nearly 600,000 American jobs were lost to the Bush Depression in January, the most since 1974. The U.S. economy is in a death spiral, and the congressional Republicans want to do nothing but play the violins in the Tax Cut Minuet for their very, very rich masters. """"

ROFLMAO!!!!....great one Q!!

did you see where there republicans are now rallying against obama's salary cap he proposed for the bailed out bank ceo's......i'll bet their constituents are really proud of them for that one!!.....just further embeds the democrats for the foreseeable future!! "

Becky wrote on Feb 6, 2009 10:11 AM:

" "This debate is exactly what Obama said he could repair in this nation."

Oh for crying out loud!!!! Obama's only been in office 2 WEEKS!!! Give me a break here. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 6, 2009 10:12 AM:

" Oh yes, I will return with one more reminder.
There are many who claim that Obama has lied to us here, lied to us there, etc....
Remember it was George W Bush who TOLD THE BIGGEST LIE EVER IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, perhaps one of the most outrageous in the history of the nation.
He stood in front of the people of New York City and the Nation after 9/11 and SWORE that he could capture bin Laden;
it was an unqualified promise. Yet he fiddled around in Afghanistan, found bin Laden outsmarted him (which was not difficult) at every turn so, to cover his failure, turned from Afghanistan to Iraq which he thought would be easier -- and when asked about bin Laden said, "I'm not interested in him any more".
Your great Republican MESSIAH lied to you, made fools of those who believed him -- and you did nothing constructive beyond decorating your SUVs with "Support the Troops" stickers. You made no sacrifice for the war, allowed men to go into battle with inadequate armor so YOU could get -- A BIG TAX CUT. "

even steven wrote on Feb 6, 2009 11:29 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 6:57 AM:

" even steven wrote on Feb 5, 2009 11:38 AM:

" Obama has surrounded himself with tax cheats and lobbyists. Doesn't that bother anyone? "

I don't think you should be losing any sleep over Obama's aides, even.

I would remind you that it's the Reagan administration that still holds the record for the most cabinet members and tops aides having to leave the White house under a cloud of suspicion and disgrace."

So you don't mind that Obama lied to you? He promised not to surround himself with lobbyists, yet he's done just that. And as for the tax cheats like Gaithner and Daschle... well, they either lied to Obama during the vetting process, or he just doesn't care. Also, his selection of Mary Shapiro for heading the SEC is a sick joke. This hag wanted to grandfather in "fails to deliver" from Wall Streets biggest firms... essentially giving them a free pass for their criminal activities dealing with naked-short sellers who've been manipulating our markets for at least the last fifteen years. It's just more of the very same thing I've read you bemoaning in some of your posts, only this time, the Dems are doing it to you, so you accept it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 11:34 AM:

" Good point, Becky! How can Obama fix something in two weeks that it took George Bush 8 years to destroy? I think it's safe to say that the Obama bashers on here are more than unreasonable, they're delusional. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 6, 2009 11:47 AM:

" (injustice85 - "right because in two weeks so much can be done,")

Oh I dunno, genius.

In two short weeks Obama's lied about ending torture, lied about not accepting lobbyists into his Administration, has been totally inept at screening out tax-cheats for key cabinet positions, sent a love letter to Iran (only to have them wipe their backside on it), united the Republicans and caused dissension among Democrats over his Government Pork Stimulus package, pardoned a terrorist responsible for the U.S.S. Cole bombing, and.....well that's all that I think of right now.

So is this "Change you can believe in", genius? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 6, 2009 11:58 AM:

" (Cognitus wrote - (About Bush) "and when asked about bin Laden said, "I'm not interested in him any more".)

AHEM!

From The TimesOnline (January 15, 2009)

In an unprecedented departure from the current wanted 'dead or alive policy,' the U.S. President-Elect said that simply keeping bin Laden holed up in a cave was enough to keep America safe.

"My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said.

"But if we have so tightened his noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."

As recently as October 7, in a presidential debate, Mr Obama said: "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

++++++

Gee Cognitus,

uhm....what were you saying again?

Oh yes that you were leaving.

ROFLMAO! "

cedric66 wrote on Feb 6, 2009 1:52 PM:

" This is for TQ!! I see that on every post you make always has something about George Bush in it. Same old garbage everytime. I'm starting to think that you are completely absorbed with this man. Get oover it!! You are not going to change anything by mouthing off all the time. Bush is in the past,not the present. I think that you need to go see a doctor, but I would bet that you are too far gone to get any help. You want things to change? Get off your computer and geister and run for some kind of office. By the way,they probably need some pooper scoopers at the dog pound. You should apply because you are really qualified for that job!!!!!!!! "

cedric66 wrote on Feb 6, 2009 1:56 PM:

" The same goes for that RACIST fb also!!!!!!!!!! "

father bob wrote on Feb 6, 2009 3:22 PM:

" i'll bet you didn't realize jesus was mexican! he should have been named jose or maybe raul!!!LOL!! "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 6, 2009 3:34 PM:

" Blue Dog:"" (Cognitus wrote - (About Bush) "and when asked about bin Laden said, "I'm

First Blue Doggie starts quoting Obama,
when I was quoting George Bush; anything to throw the dogs off the trail.

Blue Dog has a very selective memory about George Bush -- forgetting the things that doesn't agree with his or Rush's belief.

But it IS TRUE that Bush said in public,
on TV -- I remember it because I was shocked that he would admit it in public -- that "I'm not interested in him [bin Laden] any more."

Maybe Blue Dog should have a memory check since he cannot remember even such a shocking statement. There are medications that are said to be helpful for this problem. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 6, 2009 4:03 PM:

" (Cognitus wrote - "First Blue Doggie starts quoting Obama,
when I was quoting George Bush; anything to throw the dogs off the trail.")

What are you talking about?

I posted a quote of Obama essentially saying the very same thing Bush said.

And this was a complete reversal of Obama's previous gung-ho statements of - "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

Are you really this dense, Cognitus?

Geez! "

Mike P wrote on Feb 6, 2009 5:27 PM:

" Bush is history, but his legacy and impacts are still unfolding and being written.

Every action or inaction, has consequences. Some have far reaching consequences for years to come. This is true for everyone, including Presidents and their administrations. It might be all Gerald Fords fault, if he hadn't pardoned Nixon, the last 30 plus years would probably be a much different story all together.

9/11 was all Clintons fault, it happened over 8 months into GW's administration, so Obama should get at least 8 months full transition grace period, before anything is suddenly completely his fault.

The dominoes began to fall, over a year ago. Now the chain reactions, are in motion. Many US jobs are dependant on other jobs existance for them to be needed. Many support industries, are built solely on demand created by other jobs. Until something stops the chian reactions, the dominoes will continue to fall and knock the next one down. The more that fall, the more chains in multiple directions are set in motion.

It won't be long, before throwing one trillion dollars at this will do nothing to stop the chain reactions. If we aren't past that point already, is impossible to tell. Doing nothing, will definitely see all of them fall and then see whats left to rebuild something from.

Trickle down economics might not work as presented, but the trickle down crisis, that comes from its complete and utter failure, is notably astounding. We are hitting past records for unemployment by the month, our population is slightly larger, and we should be well past the great depression, well before the september it wasn't my fault firmly established cut off. At some point we could have more unemployed people than the times total US population.

Don't forget unemployment figures are just numbers of first time filers, they don't track the folks whose benefits have run out, and all who are in the system. If they do they don't publish them. Of course it is only this weeks and a four week continuation that reflect the true state of the big picture you need to be exposed to. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 6, 2009 5:59 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:52 AM:
" Who is OPPOSING President Obama's proposed $500,000 cap for pay for executives at banks that take taxpayer bailout money? Congressional Republicans, that's who!

Because it's a joke that's why. It's just a ruse that can easily be circumvented with bonuses and other perks. Obama just wanted to appear to actually be doing something to simpleton's like you who would fall for such an empty gesture. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 6, 2009 6:05 PM:

" Mike P wrote on Feb 6, 2009 5:27 PM:
" 9/11 was all Clintons fault, it happened over 8 months into GW's administration, so Obama should get at least 8 months full transition grace period, before anything is suddenly completely his fault."

Wow, nice to see someone who doesn't blame everything on Bush, but the trillion dollar pork bill is being rammed down our throats now, not eight months from now. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 6:10 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Feb 6, 2009 1:52 PM:

" This is for TQ!! I see that on every post you make always has something about George Bush in it. Same old garbage everytime. I'm starting to think that you are completely absorbed with this man. Get oover it!! You are not going to change anything by mouthing off all the time

Try this one cedric. Change the name from TQ to BlueDogDemocrat and Bush for Obama and see what you got.

Are you just as offended by Blowdogs comments and obsession over Obama as you are about our friends TQ's comments about Bush?

This is a serious question, so are you going to answer it, cedric66? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 6:32 PM:

" cedric66 wrote on Feb 6, 2009 1:52 PM:

" This is for TQ!! I see that on every post you make always has something about George Bush in it. Same old garbage everytime. I'm starting to think that you are completely absorbed with this man. Get oover it!! You are not going to change anything by mouthing off all the time. Bush is in the past,not the present. I think that you need to go see a doctor, but I would bet that you are too far gone to get any help. You want things to change? Get off your computer and geister and run for some kind of office. By the way,they probably need some pooper scoopers at the dog pound. You should apply because you are really qualified for that job!!!!!!!! "

And for my friend, cedric. I found three errors in the above post, so I ask again do you really want to go that route?

PS see if you can find them. LOL! "

ed miller wrote on Feb 6, 2009 6:47 PM:

" Now we are even farther left than France.

Paris rejects 'Obama-style' stimulus program

Prime Minister Franois Fillon on Monday rejected demands that the French government seek to stimulate consumer spending, rather than follow his plan to stimulate corporate and infrastructure investment, to lift France out of its economic slump.

"It would be irresponsible to chose another policy, which would increase our country's indebtedness without having more infrastructure and increased competitiveness in the end," Fillon said in a speech in Lyon.

Sacr bleu! You mean you can't spend your way out of debt?

What kind of crazy talk is that? "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 6, 2009 7:43 PM:

" Blue Dog: "What are you talking about?"

As usual, when Blue Dog is losing, he tries to change the subject. I wrote:
"Remember it was George W Bush who TOLD THE BIGGEST LIE EVER IN HIS ADMINISTRATION, perhaps one of the most outrageous in the history of the nation.
He stood in front of the people of New York City and the Nation after 9/11 and SWORE that he could capture bin Laden;
it was an unqualified promise. Yet he fiddled around in Afghanistan, found bin Laden outsmarted him (which was not difficult) at every turn so, to cover his failure, turned from Afghanistan to Iraq which he thought would be easier -- and when asked about bin Laden said, 'I'm not interested in him any more'."

Blue Dog then tried to switch the subject to what Obama had said about bin Laden.

Actually I misqoted GWB by one word;
GWB said "I'm not CONCERNED about him any more".

Blue Dog can CONFORM that George W. Bush did indeed say this by going to:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200410140007
and clicking on "video clip" which appears on the first page in blue.

If Blue Dog wants to wander around aimlessly in Obama's bin Laden pasture,
let him do so. But don't attribute it to me. This guy is so............ "

The Question wrote on Feb 6, 2009 8:32 PM:

" " This is for TQ!! I see that on every post you make always has something about George Bush in it. Same old garbage everytime. I'm starting to think that you are completely absorbed with this man. Get oover it!! You are not going to change anything by mouthing off all the time."
---
Thank you for your advice about your little monkey king, Seedy. Did you know that Bush is stupid, corrupt and delusional? As he might put it, he hit the trifecta. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:12 PM:

" Let me dumb this down for you Cognitus:

Obama: (October 7 2008) "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush al-Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

THEN OBAMA FLIP FLOPS ON HIS PROMISE

Obama: (January 15, 2009) "But if we have so tightened his noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."

OBAMA LIED WHEN HE SAID THAT KILLING OBAMA WAS GOING TO BE HIS BIGGEST NATIONAL SECURITY PRIORITY

So tell me Cognitus- what's the difference between Obama's veracity and Bush's?

And when you get done figuring out that little brain teaser maybe you would like to address Obama's blatant deception with his supposed ban on torture.

Sharpen your crayons Cogi, you're going to be busy. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:40 PM:

" Blue Dog then tried to switch the subject to what Obama had said about bin Laden.

That's one of the sleazy weasels favorite tactics.

And the comical part is that he fancies himself a skilled debater. LOL!

The only talent he has is spreading manure all over the place.

His next move will be to start crowing about how he taking Cognitus to the cleaners. Watch for it. He can't help himself. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 7, 2009 12:16 AM:

" Awww HarryTard,

Are you still upset that I nailed you when you tried to pawn that ridiculous Moonbat site (MOMocrats.com) off as a serious news source?

It's time to move on psycho-twerp. "

cddmills wrote on Feb 7, 2009 2:30 AM:

" Here is what I think is going on, and what it could bring about:

Mitt Romney, to whom many Republican Senators and Republican House members look for leadership, has the ideas. Rush Limbaugh has the mouth and 20 million listeners a week. Mitt Romney owns Clear Channel Communications, and Rush Limbaugh's $400 million eight-year contract is with Clear Channel Communications. Rush's new contract of $50 million/year is a $14.4 million/year raise over his previous contract. Given the Clear Channel connection, would would Mitt Romney be able to convince Rush Limbaugh to spew to his 20 million listeners per week propaganda that would send them to their Congressmen demanding that they pass Romney-designed legislation? Probably, but that would paralyze Congress and ensure that the Obama administration would fail. Limbaugh could make Romney look like a savior in 2012.

Here is what The League of Nations Intelligence Agency, Geneva, Switzerland had to say in a top secret report about the Downfall of the Weimer Republic:

"The political parties of the Weimar Republic were divided on everything and not willing to compromise on anything. The only party that was united was the Social Democratic Party but their power was limited. Political propaganda was the main reason for the downfall of the Republic. The persuadable middle and lower classes of Germany began to vote for right-wing extremists parties as they blamed the Social Democrats for the adaptation of Treaty of Versailles.

"The government of Germany became anything but effective as the parties began to split into dozens of smaller parties. The most prominent of these smaller parties was the National Socialist German Worker's Party or the Nazis.

"The time was considered an age where people's anger was growing to a boil and any leader that could tap into this growing discontent could make use of it. That leader was Adolf Hitler."

If the Republican Party wants President Obama to fail, "someone" is waiting in the wings. I suspect that that someone is Mitt Romney, since he is the person closest to the one propaganda machine who can set the American people up to beg for a political savior. "

ed miller wrote on Feb 7, 2009 5:54 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:40 PM:
" Blue Dog then tried to switch the subject to what Obama had said about bin Laden."

Why not? You guys have been trashing Bush for years for not getting Bin-Laden. So now that your guy is in charge, suddenly that topic is off limits? Obama promised to get him and then suddenly after he was elected, he backed off just like he has with all of his other campaign rhetoric. You guys were duped. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 7, 2009 9:05 AM:

" ABC news-

As far back as 2007, salmonella-laced products were shipped by a Georgia peanut company that knew the peanuts probably were tainted and sometimes after tests confirmed that contamination, inspection records show.

Federal law forbids producing or shipping foods under conditions that could make it harmful to consumers' health.

And the radical right, led by the simple minded Rush Limbaugh, says the government needs to get out of the way of free enterprise and get rid of those pesky regulations.

Anyone else remember Reagan wanting to eliminate meat inspections? I believe that was right after old fuzzy tried to get ketchup reclassified as a vegetable for school lunch programs.

Yeah right, Rush! We sure do need to eliminate all government health and safety regulations, especially those designed to protect the public. "

arrass wrote on Feb 7, 2009 10:02 AM:

" "what's the difference between Obama's veracity and Bush's?"

None? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 7, 2009 10:12 AM:

" FIRST COGNITUS TRIES TO SWITCH THE SUBJECT FROM OBAMA'S MANY LIES TO BUSH'S SUPPOSED LIE:

(COGNITUS - "Oh yes, I will return with one more reminder.
There are many who claim that Obama has lied to us here, lied to us there, etc....
Remember it was George W Bush who TOLD THE BIGGEST LIE EVER IN HIS ADMINISTRATION")

THEN, AFTER I POINTED OUT THAT *OBAMA ALSO* SWITCHED HIS POSITION ON THE IMPORTANCE OF GETTING BIN LADEN, COGNITUS CRIES FOUL:

(COGNITUS - "Blue Dog then tried to switch the subject to what Obama had said about bin Laden.")

BUT OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT SURPRISING. AFTER ALL, COGNITUS WENT ON A DESPERATE RANT IN AN EFFORT TO RATIONALIZE OBAMA'S LIES BY POINTING TO EVERYTHING FROM BUSH HW, TO REAGAN, TO IRAN-CONTRA, TO RUSH, TO OXYCONTIN, TO CHINA, AND OF ALL THINGS; A HUNTING TRIP WITH CHENEY. NON OF WHICH NEGATES THE MANY LIES AND DECEPTIONS THAT OBAMA HAS ALREADY DISPLAYED IN A MERE TWO SHORT WEEKS.

BUT WHAT'S WORSE; COGNITUS PROMISED HE WOULD LEAVE HERE AFTER HIS UNHINGED, OBAMA-WORSHIPING, DROOL-LADEN, HYSTERICAL RANT:

(COGNITUS - "I've had enough of the ignorant attacks I've read in these comments; I'm checking out and leaving the field to the MESSIAH Limbaugh and those who worship him.")

BUT AS WE CAN ALL PLAINLY SEE, COGNITUS CONTRADICTED HIS OWN PROMISE AND RETURNED JUST A FEW MINUTES LATER, STILL IN THE GRIPS OF OBAMA-DISILLUSIONMENT-SYNDROME, TO CONTINUE HIS BLATANT ATTEMPT TO RATIONALIZE OBAMA'S MANY LIES. THUS RENDERING HIS WORD, ALONG WITH ANY SORT OF RATIONAL BEHAVIOR ON HIS PART, USELESS.

And yes, yelling is necessary when speaking to the insanity of Liberal-Lemming Obama-worshipers who are caught in the grips of this terrible derangement syndrome. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 7, 2009 12:21 PM:

" My my, capitol letters usually denote anger or yelling. It appears that old Blowdog is having a bit of a problem keeping up with Cognitus and is getting a little frustrated.

Perhaps he and his dog need to cuddle up and calm down a bit. wink wink

Or maybe he needs to bring back NeoCon to shore him up with some kudos about how he's smacking down everyone. LOL!

Hats off to our friend Cognitus for continuing to reveal this Blowdoggie moron for what he really is, a big mouthed blowhard. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 7, 2009 12:26 PM:

" (ed miller wrote - "Obama promised to get him and then suddenly after he was elected, he backed off just like he has with all of his other campaign rhetoric. You guys were duped.")

You nailed it ed.

Two months since the election and only two and a half weeks into Obama's administration, and already this inexperienced corrupt community organizer with the out-of-control messianic-complex has broken more campaign promises, demonstrated more arrogant hypocrisy, attempted more slight-of-hand spin on his phony policy changes, shown more utter inexperience and ineptitude, than virtually any other administration that comes to mind in the last 50 years. And maybe ever.

And because the little pointy-headed Obama-disciples in here, lapped up all of their Messiah's impossible ever-changing campaign promises, and now that his actions are bringing all of those lies to light; these hapless big-mouthed liberal empty-heads are displaying an amazingly thin-skinned tolerance of reality.

But that's okay. The rest of us clear-headed thinkers will patiently continue to force these radical little snot-nosed juveniles to face up to their 8 years of double-standard hate-filled hypocrisy as we point out the ever-spinning incompetence of their dishonest savior.

Because if there's one thing the Left has taught us over these past 8 years,

it is this:

DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM! "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 7, 2009 12:26 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Feb 7, 2009 5:54 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 6, 2009 9:40 PM:
" Blue Dog then tried to switch the subject to what Obama had said about bin Laden."

Why not?

So now even little eddie agrees that the Blowdog uses the tactic of changing the subject when caught. Thanks eddie, but you might want to look out, you know what Blowdoggie does when folks don't go along with him. He'll probably have to give you one of his wishful thinking smackdowns. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 7, 2009 1:09 PM:

" If the Republican Party wants President Obama to fail, "someone" is waiting in the wings. I suspect that that someone is Mitt Romney, since he is the person closest to the one propaganda machine who can set the American people up to beg for a political savior. "

You might be onto something there, cddmills.

Considering that it will probably be impossible to turn things around from the Bush fiasco's in one term, the Republicans might see this as a winning strategy.

Is it possible that McCain was really a sacrificial goat? Perhaps they knew that is was impossible for one person to turn this mess around so they willingly put Palin in to assure defeat? This way someone like a Romney could come riding in on his white horse and save the day?

By purchasing Clear Channel Communications, Romney automatically got Limbaugh's support. I have always suspected Limbaugh would sell his own mother for a buck or two. Just look at the way he hawks his cheap carnival quality tee shirts, coffee mugs, ties and the like off onto his loyal fans at rediculous prices now.

While I'm not a big Romney fan, I have to say that I find it absolutely hilarious that McCain chose the walking imbecile Palin over Romney.

Regardless of what happens, Palin will not be the Republican candidate next go around. She may do a good job of stirring up the bottom feeders of her party like ed miller and our local corn pone, Blowdog, but the power brokers of the GOP are not stupid enough to take a chance on running her for the top spot. "

cd wrote on Feb 7, 2009 2:03 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Feb 7, 2009 9:05 AM:

" ABC news-

As far back as 2007, salmonella-laced products were shipped by a Georgia peanut company that knew the peanuts probably were tainted and sometimes after tests confirmed that contamination, inspection records show.
-------
And we all remember the Dumocrat President that was a Peanut Farmer.

Jimmy '17% unemployment' Carter "

cd wrote on Feb 7, 2009 2:16 PM:

" I hope and want the country succeeds. I don't give a hoot to what happens to Obamessiah. "

The Question wrote on Feb 7, 2009 2:38 PM:

" I think the well-oiled GOP propaganda machine, with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh in the vanguard, may well stop President Obama from preventing a new Great Depression, or something worse. Maybe it can't be averted now anyway.
I have this haunting feeling that this may be what its like to know you have terminal cancer. Nothing to do but reorder your mental priorities with stoicism and Eastern philosophy. We dont know exactly whats coming, but we know its big and its bad and its soon.
I keep thinking, oddly, of Jeff Goldblum with the ticking laptop on Air Force One in "Independence Day," quietly saying, "Times up."
A blasted Fox movie, too, now that I think of it. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 7, 2009 3:35 PM:

" Actually Harry,

Cognitus was the one who changed the subject.

I not only directed the subject back to it's origins (Obama's lies)

I also pointed out that Cognitus' criticism of Bush, was equally applicable to Obama's echo of Bush's statement.

See how that all fit together nicely to expose the complete and utter hypocrisy of you lemmings on the Left, Harry?

Well of course not, I didn't think you did.

Go back to sleep Harry. The big people are talking now. "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 7, 2009 4:56 PM:

" Really now cd, do you want to compare Carter's successful career as a peanut farmer to Bush's failed oil drilling fiasco operations? I don't recall Carter bankrupting any businesses like Bush did. Yes, like Obama, he inherited a bankrupted country, from the Republicans though.

Bush couldn't make a go of it even with all the money his daddy's buddies and the Bin Laden family invested to keep him afloat.

It sounds like you went to the Blowdog school of bloviation and propaganda, cd. LOL! "

ed miller wrote on Feb 7, 2009 6:00 PM:

" Maybe he changed the subject. I don't care. The fact remains Obama is now doing the same things you guys have been trashing Bush about for years and I guess you have no defense for that. "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 8, 2009 12:35 AM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 6, 2009 11:47 AM:

" (injustice85 - "right because in two weeks so much can be done,")

Oh I dunno, genius.

In two short weeks Obama's lied about ending torture, lied about not accepting lobbyists into his Administration, has been totally inept at screening out tax-cheats for key cabinet positions, sent a love letter to Iran (only to have them wipe their backside on it), united the Republicans and caused dissension among Democrats over his Government Pork Stimulus package, pardoned a terrorist responsible for the U.S.S. Cole bombing, and.....well that's all that I think of right now.

So is this "Change you can believe in", genius? "

ya know I almost feel you on this one BLUEDOGDEMOCRAT, but at least he did it with a not so dumb smile on his face, sometimes that is all it takes to make idiot America work right, either way all that still doesn't add up to the last administration, I'll admit that old politician plague Penny spoke of is falling that way but I think we will see that change over a bit of time "

jayce wrote on Feb 8, 2009 11:44 AM:

" I am a registered republican simply because when I was 18 I wanted to vote for Eisenhour. I do not vote straight republican even though I am registered as one, I vote the person and their record and what I have been able to find out about them. Do we repbulicans want Obama to fail? NO...
BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT OBAMA BUT ABOUT HIS POLICIES. I personally have watched his voting record while in the Il. Senate and in the US Senate and his record was not outstanding and so liberal.... I realize that there are liberals and ultra-liberals. He is the latter. He thinks he knows best and belittles those who do not agree. This bill is one put togather by Pelosi and Reid a couple of people I would not entrust to take care of my dog let alone my checkbook and make no mistake this stimulus plan is about taking care of our pocketbooks for generations..
dipping into it at their will. I learned a long time ago to pay my bills, and not to borrow more than "I" could pay back. So I own my house and I own my car...paid off in full. The biggest lesson we have to learn-- both parties--DON'T BITE OFF MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW. In this case more then we the tax payers can chew. Don't believe like chicken little...The sky is falling, the sky is falling! That's fear tactics. Roosevelt said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." So get your heads out from under the covers, stand up like resonable responsible adults And become once again "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA."
My kids, my grandkids, my great___, my great, great____ are counting on you to. "

The Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 12:09 PM:

" As Jay Rosen said, the narrative that we aren't getting is that the political class cannot solve the problems it created. And that some outside force is needed -- people from outside, ideas from outside.
The American public gets that part, although they don't know what to do, and that makes them dangerous prey for demagogues. "

The Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 12:13 PM:

" We've had eight full years of massive tax cuts for the wealthy in America.
How many jobs were created during those eight years of massive tax cuts? "

The Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 12:20 PM:

" As Eric Margolis observed, politicians everywhere are panicking as voters demand they do something to keep their debt-driven economies running in high gear.
This is impossible. The debt bubble has burst. But politicians are afraid to tell voters the hard truth: The party is over.
Retrench, stop borrowing, cut spending, start saving, live smaller. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 8, 2009 12:31 PM:

" (injustice85 - "ya know I almost feel you on this one BLUEDOGDEMOCRAT, but at least he did it with a not so dumb smile on his face,")

Ah yes nj85- style over substance makes everything palatable.
Sure he's a lying scumbag. But gosh darn it. He looks and sounds so GOOD when he's doing it! Gives us hug Barry.

(injustice85 - "either way all that still doesn't add up to the last administration,")

If these first two and a half weeks are any indication at all (not to mention his actions since the election, remember Blogo-gate?); Obama will be the most corrupt and incompetent of any Administration, ever.

(injustice85 - "I'll admit that old politician plague Penny spoke of is falling that way but I think we will see that change over a bit of time")

What exactly are you pinning your belief on, nj85?

Obama's well established track record of clarifications, lies, backtracks, misdirection, and slight of hand policies?

Or maybe his winning smile? "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 8, 2009 5:06 PM:

" The Question wrote on Feb 8, 2009 12:13 PM:

" We've had eight full years of massive tax cuts for the wealthy in America.
How many jobs were created during those eight years of massive tax cuts? "

Just ask the Blowdoggy, like Fox news I'm sure he can put some sort of pro Bush spin on it.

In reality, I suspect all they did was make the fat cats fatter. "

Just a Soldier wrote on Feb 8, 2009 6:08 PM:

" Okay, here's the deal. Since nobody else wants to address the "I hope he fails" comment in context, allow me to enlighten you. I saw the interview with Rush Limbaugh done by Sean Hannity in which this comment was made. Rush, while I agree he is usually over the top and probably does more to hurt conservative ideals than promote them, was making the point that President Obama's policies appear to be a push towards the kind of socialism that is practiced by many countries in Europe. He was stating that if this is the kind of agenda that the Obama administration is going to try to push, then he hopes he fails. He did not say, nor imply, that he wants the country to fail. His point was actually that he feels these policies, if successfully passed, will in fact cause the country to fail. Like him or not, the man is entitled to his beliefs about what is smart policy and what is not-so-smart policy. If you want to argue anything, please argue that he is wrong about these policies being the wrong move, but don't simply take a quote out of context and run wild with it. That proves nothing. "

cd wrote on Feb 8, 2009 6:41 PM:

" I support ending NAFTA.

I support ending Off-Shore banking.

I support charging on American companies that have their products overseas.
Those that have taken their manufacturing elsewhere because they say can't pay Americans and stay in business, yet when their product hit our shelves, their is not the slightest price drop from having the products made elsewhere.

I support Term Limits for congress.

These are regardless of party. "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 8, 2009 7:38 PM:

" He has lifted the American spirit BLUEDOG, sometimes that is all it takes, they might all make really horrible decisions while in office and most probably will but only a few can restore the faith be it blind or not, it wouldn't matter if he was Mother Theresa if he spoke like George W. sad as that realization is it is a very real part of society that people act and think off the cuff of their sleeves "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 8, 2009 8:54 PM:

" (injustice85 - "He has lifted the American spirit BLUEDOG")

So does alcohol, nj85.

.....and then comes the morning after. "

Locke wrote on Feb 9, 2009 10:43 AM:

" "He was stating that if this is the kind of agenda ('socialism') that the Obama administration is going to try to push, then he hopes he fails."

Hogwash.

Label Obama a socialist, then hope he fails it is socialist. Obama is no more or no less socialist than any president since Carter.

Here's a hint to Rush and his ditto-heads -- America didn't buy the socialist mudslinging in November 2008, and I doubt they're ready to buy it now.

But let's not take Rush out of context! And by the same token, let's let Rush define the context by equating Obama to a socialist.

Fact is, Rush said it. "

father bob wrote on Feb 9, 2009 11:46 AM:

" injustice85 wrote on Feb 8, 2009 7:38 PM:
" He has lifted the American spirit BLUEDOG, sometimes that is all it takes, they might all make really horrible decisions while in office and most probably will but only a few can restore the faith be it blind or not, it wouldn't matter if he was Mother Theresa if he spoke like George W. sad as that realization is it is a very real part of society that people act and think off the cuff of their sleeves """""

the repukes are so rabid, they can't sit still. it's going to be pure pleasure watching them completely obliterate their own party. when 80% of the voting public prove they need to make an overhaul of their party, and they continue to beat the same drum they deserve what they'll be getting. "

Locke wrote on Feb 9, 2009 3:38 PM:

" cd wrote on Feb 8, 2009 6:41 PM: (Lots of things I agree with 100%.) "

Harry Potter wrote on Feb 9, 2009 4:43 PM:

" Locke wrote on Feb 9, 2009 3:38 PM:

" cd wrote on Feb 8, 2009 6:41 PM: (Lots of things I agree with 100%.) "

Me too... "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 9, 2009 7:20 PM:

" the morning after always comes BLUEDOG, alcohol or none, I didn't need to know about your habits "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Feb 9, 2009 8:39 PM:

" (injustice85 - "the morning after always comes BLUEDOG, alcohol or none, I didn't need to know about your habits")

Not a habit of mine nj85.

Nor is it my habit to vote for phony Messiah's like Obama. "

father bob wrote on Feb 10, 2009 2:07 PM:

" all is lost, in less than 3 weeks..... "

oldschool wrote on Feb 12, 2009 5:47 PM:

" "The Question" according to the labor dept. Bush created over 8.37 million jobs during his tenure and with tax cuts....Any more questions? "

injustice85 wrote on Feb 12, 2009 11:41 PM:

" Do you prefer old geezers lol? Obama aside, Do you really think John McCain could have done it, the man was a crook, he tried to steal our opinions which might not always be a bad thing but still...at least Obama likes people, did you ever get that feeling about Bush or McCain? lol "

Early Bird wrote on Feb 13, 2009 5:44 AM:

" Bush created over 8.37 million jobs during his tenure and with tax cuts....

That's a lot of WalMarts. "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 13, 2009 4:19 PM:

" ed miller:"
" Just please explain how these Democrat's stimulus bill will fix anything. "

So Ed, please explain how the Bush War
has fixed anything.. WHAT benefit has the BUSH WAR brought to Mattoon-Charleston??? "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 13, 2009 4:27 PM:

" Early Bird:"" Bush created over 8.37 million jobs during his tenure and with tax cuts...."

You say "during his tenure". His tenure ended on January 20th, his tax cuts had not changed but the job market had gone to hell.
So tell me, relative to the population, how many more jobs were in existence on January 20 as opposed to January 20, 2000. "

AllYouNeedIsLove wrote on Feb 13, 2009 4:48 PM:

" Lol. This is a great letter, short and to the point, and I am glad the author wrote it. No one wrote letter like this about Bush when he was President, and I'll tell you why: because the Democrats may not like Bush, but they know he is our President, and if he fails, we all fail. I think Rush Limbaugh is a hateful kind of person, and I don't see how anyone in their right mind could listen to him, unless they are filled with hate, as well. Like the writer says, if you don't want to be here and help our country, leave! "

Cognitus wrote on Feb 15, 2009 2:30 PM:

" This is a bit off-topic, but I can tie it into the "energy" part of Obama's Stimulus, which Republicans have declared nonsense.
Friedman is visiting in New Delhi when he is approached by 2 women who are on a crusade to introduce people to electric cars. (See today's NYTimes)
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"We head off down Panchsheel Marg, one of New Delhis main streets. The ladies want to show me something. The U.S. Embassy and the Chinese Embassy are both located on Panchsheel, directly across from each other. They asked me to check out the rooftops of each embassy. What do I notice? Lets see ... The U.S. Embassys roof is loaded with antennae and listening gear. The Chinese Embassys roof is loaded with ... new Chinese-made solar hot-water heaters.

You couldnt make this up.
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NOTE THIS: The Republican administration put a lot of electronic stuff on OUR roof, but Chinese covered
their roof (I'm sure there are some antennae also) with Solar Heaters!!!!
Are the Chinese getting ahead of us in the energy battle?????? "

cd wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Techno-less wrote on Feb 5, 2009 4:18 AM:

" There does seem to be a lot of people out there just gunning for the new President and other reps to fail. I don't really understand this, since it would be better for us if they succeeded. Maybe it is time to quit the incessant Obama bashing, and to begin offering support to someone who will have a great impact on our lives for the next four to eight years.
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I agree Techn-less; it's just like it was the previous 8 years. It appears that it become President Bashing not Obama bashing since it happened to Bush.
So, I hope it has the same impact on the Liberals that the previous 8 years had on the Conservatives.

In the mean time, I want the USA to succeed even if that means the Obamasiah falls flat on face. "

cd wrote on Feb 16, 2009 8:48 AM:

" I am a conservative, thus I believe Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd and Chuck Schumer and all the rest of the folks that created this melt-down should held accountable. This includes all the Fannie Mae ...Freddie Mac crowd as well as any CEO's and managers that worked in the fiancial arena that enabled and worked hand in hand with this group of "Washington leaders"? ~ Old School
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If the Liberals really want to put the finger on culprit(s) of this economic situation, the above paragragh by Old School is the place to begin.

Personnally I would have definitely let the first company failed. Then I would have informed all other companies, corporation, etc. that their lot is the same if they don't get their houses in order. Then let a couple more fail if necessary.
Their should have been a iron clad stipulation that the CEO and Boards be fired BEFORE receiving any kind of aid. If these people were in charge when the business got into this shape, then they aren't qualified to get them back in shape. "

cd wrote on Feb 16, 2009 12:09 PM:

" cd wrote on Feb 8, 2009 6:41 PM:

" I support ending NAFTA.

I support ending Off-Shore banking.

I support charging on American companies that have their products overseas.
Those that have taken their manufacturing elsewhere because they say can't pay Americans and stay in business, yet when their product hit our shelves, their is not the slightest price drop from having the products made elsewhere.

I support Term Limits for congress.

These are regardless of party. "
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Off-Shore Banking & HQ
A U.S. Bank or Business should be 100% US regardless of its physical location. No more moving the Main Office off-shore. If you are USA, you pay ALL taxes and fees, you are under the same rules that apply when within the USA borders. NO more Free Rides.

USA-Out of country manufacturing:
You must meet all criteria as if physically being located within USA borders. You must pay USA taxes and fees on all employees regardless of location.
Their should be a penalty for removing manufacturing (jobs) out of country.

CEOs:
*{Today, over 60% of foreign CEOs had 15 or more years of tenure before being appointed as the CEO of their company. The Average Japanese CEO joined the company at the age of 29, spent 27 years in the company, and was promoted to CEO at the age of 56 (Kato 2005). As far as education credentials go, 95% of Japanese CEOs hold college degrees, close to 30% of those being earned at the University of Tokyo.}
*{In response to the proposed question of how much CEOs should be paid, no matter how much they feel that might be, they do not deserve to make 301 times more than their employees. If the average American employee makes $27,000 a year, CEOs do not deserve to make $8 million a year. Who is to say that a CEO is 301 times more deserving than their employees that actually do the work?}
*{Country
Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
Japan 11:1
Germany 12:1
France 15:1
Italy 20:1
Canada 20:1
South Africa 21:1
Britain 22:1
Hong Kong 41:1
Mexico 47:1
Venezuela 50:1
United States 475:1}
*{If the average pay of workers had risen as fast as the pay of CEOs since 1990, the minimum wage rate would not be $5.15, it would now be $23.03 per hour. As of January 2001, the real value of minimum wage due to inflation is $4.77 per hour.}
* http://www.cab.latech.edu/~mkroll/510_papers/fall_05/Group6.pdf
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Looks like the present is a good time to get our CEOs 'more' in line with the rest of the world. "

cd wrote on Feb 16, 2009 12:32 PM:

" cd wrote on Feb 16, 2009 12:09 PM:

Off-Shore Banking & HQ
A U.S. Bank or Business should be 100% US regardless of its physical location. No more moving the Main Office off-shore. If you are USA, you pay ALL taxes and fees, you are under the same rules that apply when within the USA borders. NO more Free Rides.

USA-Out of country manufacturing:
You must meet all criteria as if physically being located within USA borders. You pay USA taxes and fees on all employees regardless of location.
Their should be for removing manufacturing (jobs) out of country. "

cd wrote on Feb 17, 2009 11:17 AM:

" Revised:
cd wrote on Feb 16, 2009 12:09 PM:

Off-Shore Banking & Business HQ
A U.S. Bank or Business should be 100% US regardless of its physical location. No more moving the Main Office off-shore. If you are USA, you pay ALL taxes and fees, you are under the same rules that apply when within the USA borders. NO more Free Rides.

USA-Out of country manufacturing:
You must meet all criteria as if physically being located within USA borders. You must pay USA taxes and fees on all employees regardless of location.
Their should be equitable compensation for removing manufacturing (jobs) out of country. "