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Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:55 PM CST
LETTER: Presidential election is over and done with

By DARLA ROBERTSON, Charleston

It’s funny how some say Obama is already calling on all the experts to help him out. Would you prefer he call on all the non-experts? According to you he has no experience so why not get the best he can find, besides look where all this wonderful experience has gotten us.

Maybe you should check out your own candidate for a change. You complain about ACORN in which Mr. McCain himself was more than happy to give a keynote speech for in 2006. You fuss about your guns in which you will still have at the end of Obama’s term.

You’re worried about Bill Ayers, how about McCain’s past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas in the Iran-Contra affair.

Must we not forget about the Keating Five savings and loan scandal in which McCain was involved? Or how about his son Andrew who resigned from the Silver State Bank in July after being accused of corruption (like father like son).

In McCain’s second debate he said he could fix Social Security. Why hasn’t he made it happen yet, he’s been in the Senate long enough. If he’s so “experienced” he should be able to, right? As you can see, your candidate and the people he surrounds himself with aren’t exactly perfect either, and I won’t even start on Sarah.

Yes, Obama is going to spend a lot of money, but this economic situation can’t fix itself.

If we can spend 10 billion per month in Iraq, then we can here as well. On the subject of taxes, I wouldn’t exactly say Barack has it out for the rich but I’m sorry, if you are fortunate to make over $250,000 and can’t afford a 3 percent tax increase like under the Clinton administration, then I guess you will have to cut back like the rest of us.

So Mr. Stevens, if you want to call all of us that voted for Barack gullible then I guess I would call all of those still complaining, sore losers. It’s done and over with and there is nothing that can be done about it.

It frightens me that all this hate is embedded in your brains but this man has a right to prove himself and if he fails, well we’ve already had several years of that.

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Mr. Right wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:03 PM:

" Not ONE WORD about defending Sen. Obama's decision - not ONE WORD about how the writer would solve the problem brought to light - not ONE WORD that is even semi-constructive.

All we have here is "Oh yeah? Well YOUR candidate blah, blah, blah, blah."

I've heard more intelligent exchanges of ideas in a kindergarten playground fight!

Who cares who McCain talked to in 2006? Who cares who OBAMA talked to in 2006? Guns, Bill Ayres, guns and Iran-Contra (wasn't that 1980's?), the Keating Five, McCain's son. Who the heck cares?????????

Let's get some freaking SOLUTIONS and stop the darned back and forth! The election is over. My candidate LOST! Let's move forward! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:52 PM:

" You seem to be missing the point Darla; Obama ran on "Change". And thus far there has been nothing of "Change" in any of his actions.

He's reinstated the Clinton Administration, AFTER he criticized several of that Administrations policies during the primaries. He named Hillary as his Secretary of State AFTER he belittled her foreign policy credentials during the primaries.

He's reneged on his promise to hit the Big Oil companies with a windfall profit tax. And he is beyond ambiguous if not outright cryptic about troop withdraw in Iraq.

And this is all within the last couple of weeks. I can't imagine the next four years.

Can all of us who are not hypnotized and blind, be justified in our early criticisms of your President (who is of the sheeple, by the sheeple, and for the sheeple)?

"Yes we can" "

.Doh wrote on Dec 7, 2008 11:52 PM:

" Eh, just another blind leftarded ignoramous who was lead on a leash by the messiah barry hussein's smooth talk. Hey, just for good measure, could you give us all a fist-bump to show your allegiance to an unexperienced libtard that never did a thing for Illinois? With a friend like the messiah hussein, who will need enemies. The Carter-Clinton years are just getting restarted. "

gocubs wrote on Dec 8, 2008 2:46 AM:

" I think if Obama fit the sterotypical president, someone over 55 years old and WHITE, there would be less complaining and everyone would be happy to have him as president. Since he is African American we see the ignorance and hate of some Americans coming through. I voted for Obama and I beleive he will do the US some good, cant do any worse the Bush! Thank god McCain lost, we did not need a third Bush term as pres. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 7:53 AM:

" gocubs-

Obama used that (any criticism is racism) garbage against Hillary and McCain in the campaign, so you can give it a rest.

This guy had absolutely no accomplishments under his belt other than a bunch of empty rhetoric penned by the marketing expert David Axelrod.

He ran on a platform of "Change", as an alternative to "Washington politics as usual", and so far he's given nothing but broken promises and backtracks. In other words, more of the same.

"Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss" - The Who (We Won't Get Fooled Again) "

Elbert wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:06 AM:

" Unfortunately, I expect to see nothing but hate mail on this post. Both sides will spend their time attacking each other. Its too bad that you hate each other so much. I do agree with Mr Right. It is time to get some solutions, not spend your time showing how low you can go in spewing hate toward the other side.
You can be respectful in disagreeing. will you? I doubt it "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:07 AM:

" UH OH!

Liberals voice concerns about Obama

Politico 12/08/08 - Liberals are growing increasingly nervous and some just flat-out angry that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. Hes hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And hes stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that THE NEW BOSS LOOKS LIKE THE OLD BOSS. (BWAHAHA!)

Read the entire long list of Obama's backtracks and proken promises here:

http://tinyurl.com/6xsnwu

ROFLMAO! "

warrior wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:18 AM:

" I thought I seen a document on TV the other night that showed Obama was a citizen of Kenya. Is this why he had his records sealed when he went to Hawaii to see his Grandma (who was ailing) in October?? and if so, is he even able to be President of this country? I thought you had to be born in America to be president.
I too wonder why Obama is picking people from the Clinton Admin., when his whole campaign was about change.
I also heard today that Senator Dodd wanted the CEO of GM to resign to show good faith or something like that before our Government gave them any money. Did Dodd make the same request for the other people they have been handing Billions too? How about Dodd and Franks resigning and giving up their paychecks and pensions for running Fannie and Freddie into the ground. This alone would save us taxpayers around $400,000 a year. Even better, why don't our polititians lead by example and give up their paychecks or work for $1.00 for one year? and while their at it, why not give up their retirement package they voted for themselves back in the 80's and draw Social Security when they retire or get voted out of office? This would save us taxpayers some $100,000,000.00 a year or more. "

medic57 wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:27 AM:

" Since he is African American we see the ignorance and hate of some Americans coming through.

He is not African American, he is half white. It's funny that people don't talk about Tiger Woods that much, he is only half black also. Why is that. I don't care if BARACK Obama is green as long as he can run the country, as far as Clinton personell goes, when Clinton was president, he left office with a surplus and many people working good jobs, the fact that he got a little on the side doesn't bother me all that much, was he any worse than JFK.

By the way, I believe his name is Barak, not Barry.

I like the insinuation that things were good under Clinton because of Reagan and his trickle down policies, yeah, right, by the way, if things were good under Clinton because of Reagan, where did Bush 1 fit in, wasn't he president right after Reagan?

Reagans legacy was, no union protection for federal workers and very dangerous flights for a few months.

Talk about someone with no clue, when Challenger exploded, he said, wasn't that the one with a teacher on board, or how about Bush 1's famous trip to the grocery store, when he saw a scanning cash register, he remarked that technology was really going places, what he didn't actually know was, scanning cash registers had been out for about10 or more years. There's a man that's really in touch with the people.

Obama, hopefully, will the first president that truely understands the people. As far as being the Anti-Christ goes, if I recall right, they daid the same thing about President Bush also. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:50 AM:

" I think cubbie's idea about the real reason for all the dissent has a lot of merit. I have thought that for a while, especially when it come to Obama's biggest critic on this site. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:03 AM:

" As a black man I'm highly offended by all these accusations of racism simply because I criticize a politician who is actually only half-black.

This is especially insulting when it comes from typical white guys like Harry Potter (who apparently educated the youth of this country, God forbid.)

You may apologize to me anytime, Harry. "

Ms. Smarty Pants wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 AM:

" Wow i read all ur comments and i laugh! I think all Darla is trying to say is whats done is done and there is nothing we can do about it! So stop complaning and fighting its over! JUST BE THANKFUL MCCAIN DIDNT WIN! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 11:19 AM:

" ( JUST BE THANKFUL MCCAIN DIDNT WIN!)

Uhm....judging by Obama's actions; I think McCain DID win.

LOL "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:06 PM:

" Ms. Smarty Pants wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 AM:" Wow i read all ur comments and i laugh! I think all Darla is trying to say is whats done is done and there is nothing we can do about it! So stop complaning and fighting its over! JUST BE THANKFUL MCCAIN DIDNT WIN! "

Why should I be thankful that McCain didn't win?

gocubs wrote on Dec 8, 2008 2:46 AM: "I think if Obama fit the sterotypical president, someone over 55 years old and WHITE, there would be less complaining and everyone would be happy to have him as president. Since he is African American we see the ignorance and hate of some Americans coming through."

Pointing out that the guy who holds the esteemed, prestigious Office of the President-Elect is already backpedaling on several campaign "promises" is hardly hate. And ignorance? Ignorance of WHAT?????

Show me how what has been said about Sen. Obama's backpedaling is hate and show me what honest discourse is ignorance.

...or CAN you? "

father bob wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:32 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:03 AM:
" As a black man I'm highly offended by all these accusations of racism simply because I criticize a politician who is actually only half-black.

This is especially insulting when it comes from typical white guys like Harry Potter (who apparently educated the youth of this country, God forbid.)

You may apologize to me anytime, Harry. """""

now THAT's funny!!! "

father bob wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 PM:

" race is the 800 pound gorilla. there's all these objections, opinions, accusations about obama, but when it comes right down to it, it's all about racial bias and prejudice. "

father bob wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:51 PM:

" Factcheck:

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Obama's British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963. "

father bob wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:53 PM:

" her ya go eddie:

WASHINGTON The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Dec 8, 2008 3:04 PM:

" Father Bob wrote...

" race is the 800 pound gorilla. there's all these objections, opinions, accusations about obama, but when it comes right down to it, it's all about racial bias and prejudice.

NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU WANT TO INTERJECT RACE INTO THE POLITICAL CONVERSATION, PEOPLE STILL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OBAMA.

Did you get that Fb?

95% of blacks and you didn't vote for McCain so obviously blacks in America are racist, with your logic, right Fb?

Issues w/ Obama:
-Most Liberal of voting records
-Anti-gun
-"community organizer"-whatever profound leadership qualities that brings to the oval office
-wrote two narcissistic books about himself
-comes from the corrupt Chicago democrat machine
-associates with less than savory/divisive characters such as Wright, Rezko, and Ayers

Get over it so maybe people will respect you regardless of your color rather than because of your color.

The NAACP symbolically "buried" racism but you can't Fb?

So quite being THE RESIDENT RACIST here so when someone is truly being racist others and I will help you call them out on it, okay? "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 8, 2008 4:03 PM:

" father bob wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:36 PM: " race is the 800 pound gorilla. there's all these objections, opinions, accusations about obama, but when it comes right down to it, it's all about racial bias and prejudice. "

ALL about racial bias and prejudice? ALL about it? Are you claiming that if Obama had been a member of a race different than the one of which he is a member that I would have supported him? Are you claiming that the things those on the right see as Obama's shortcomings would magically be strengths were he 100% caucasian?

ALL about race? Heck, with me it's not even 1% about race. With me it's about governing and leadership. I could very easily have supported a black conservative candidate and have been proud to do so, and there's not a drop of non-WASP blood in my whole body. What would it have been all about if Condoleeza Rice had run? THEN what could you have said about race?

C'mon bob, get off the "all about race" jag. Not everyone who is a conservative is a closet member of the KKK! "

father bob wrote on Dec 8, 2008 4:37 PM:

" ROFLMAO!!!.....i knew i could get folks fired up!

have a great day!!! "

beetle wrote on Dec 8, 2008 4:38 PM:

" First off Mr. Right i was simply responding to Mr.Stephens letter that was in the paper on Thanksgiving day.Had I been trying to convey another message I would have.As for the who cares on the topics that were listed apparently its different when the shoes is on the other foot.Now its all blah blah blah when its about your guy.You all were complaining about it a few months ago.

As for bluedogdemocrat yes obama did run on change and who knows it could be on its way if you would just be patient.I think Mccain ran on country first and we had the pleasure of seeing Sarah Palin selected as his running mate.(now thats really putting country first)

As for doh I have no words for you (your name says enough) and your part of the hate problem I was talking about.Go buy you some puffs and cry about it.

I would be disappointed also if my canidate lost but Its over and done with people. Im not saying all the problems that we now face are Bush's fault because they are not but I have never seen this much hate for one man who wants to try to make our country a better place. "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 8, 2008 5:34 PM:

" beetle wrote on Dec 8, 2008 4:38 PM:

" First off Mr. Right i was simply responding to Mr.Stephens letter that was in the paper on Thanksgiving day.Had I been trying to convey another message I would have.As for the who cares on the topics that were listed apparently its different when the shoes is on the other foot.Now its all blah blah blah when its about your guy.You all were complaining about it a few months ago."

Please re-read my initial comment carefully. I clearly stated "Who cares who McCain talked to in 2006? Who cares who OBAMA talked to in 2006?" I was pointing to BOTH sides of the issue with regard to the "who cares" comment. I only continued to cite the remaining list as quoting YOUR post.

Believe me when I say that BOTH sides are b1tching about cr@p that doesn't matter - the conservatives as much as the liberals - forgive me if I came across as hypocritical. I was just quoting.

You're right . . . I WAS complaining about it and it was much more recently than just a few months ago. What I was trying to get across was BOTH sides tend to answer charges with an "Oh yeah?" attitude. I apologize if I led you to believe it was all one-sided with me.

But to "I have never seen this much hate for one man who wants to try to make our country a better place.", all I can say is "You haven't?????" Are you sure???? "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 8, 2008 5:39 PM:

" father bob wrote on Dec 8, 2008 4:37 PM:
" ROFLMAO!!!.....i knew i could get folks fired up!

have a great day!!! "

I'm sorry, bob but considering the tone and content of any number of your posts on any particular thread on any particular topic, I took you seriously. I really thought that you BELIEVED what you wrote - that it was all about race.

I know I use hyperbole occasionally myself and I think I'll stop because shumphreys didn't catch it in one of my most recent posts so I see it doesn't work for me.

But I believe even with hyperbole, my message is rather a consistent one. To talk about race, race, race, race, race and then to pull it back with a "riled up" statement is confusing. So I must ask . . . do you or do you NOT believe race is a major factor? I really don't care which side you take, but for God's sake - take a STAND on it and hang with it! "

Billie Brant wrote on Dec 8, 2008 5:53 PM:

" fb-- You are a rascal! :-) "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:00 PM:

" Fb wrote....

" ROFLMAO!!!.....i knew i could get folks fired up!

have a great day!!! "

AND

Billie Brant wrote
" fb-- You are a rascal! :-) "
______________________________________

I really don't think it is funny at all.

Your side hung Sarah Palin in effigy. If that would have been someone from the right doing the same in effigy of Barack Obama it would have been construed as a hate crime.

Someone else on these blogs called GWB an "ape". What if someone on the right would have called Obama an "ape"? You'd be hooting and hollering and probably rightly so.

So if you think it's funny to perpetuate racism with "gotchas" you deserve less than full respect.

"have a great day" "

Billie Brant wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:25 PM:

" Hey Neo, I didn't say I agreed with fb!

In fact I rarely agree with fb (and several others on the "left") but I also often recognize when he's stirring it with a big paddle.

Lighten up a little. :-)

fb you can be a naughty boy. "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Blue Dog:"" You seem to be missing the point Darla; Obama ran on "Change". And thus far there has been nothing of "Change" in any of his actions."

Don't expect miracles from Blue Dog.
He's got Hillary-itis, and he cannot see the other people who were NOT Clinton people. How about the JC of Staff; how about the new Sec of Treas?
Blue Dog wouldn't recognize change if it bit him in the leg. Blind rage...
that's Blue Dog.
Why don't you go sit in the corner, BD, and let the men handle this business? "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:11 PM:

" Blue Dog:"And he is beyond ambiguous if not outright cryptic about troop withdraw in Iraq."
Blue Dog must be hard of hearing; Obama and the Admiral got along fine, and Petreus says he and Obama can get along fine on troop withdrawal. Blue Dog seems to the the one who is out of step -- which is where he is most of the time.....
This guy is so full of hatred he has become totally irrational. Bring on the guys with the white coats and carry him out. "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:15 PM:

" Blue Dog:"his guy had absolutely no accomplishments under his belt"
I wonder how many degrees from Harvard
Blue Dog has hanging on his wall.
=======================================
Blue Dog reminds me of a kid I ran into in one of our national parks. He was wearing a Harvard sweat shirt, and I expressed admiration that he was going to school at Harvard. His reply was, "University? Hell, I thought it was a NASCAR team." Sounds just like Blue Dog. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:31 PM:

" 85 out of 135 of Obama's staff is from the Clinton Admin, Cognitus.

How's that change? Obama ran on "Change", remember, genius?

He belittled Hillary's foreign policy credentials, and then names her for Secretary of State. And you don't see a problem with that?

And what "business", and what "men" are you talking about?

For someone who goes by "Cognitus", you certainly seem to be lacking any cognitive substance.

You must be related to bob. "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:36 PM:

" Warrior:"" I thought I seen a document on TV the other night that showed Obama was a citizen of Kenya. Is this why he had his records sealed when he went to Hawaii to see his Grandma (who was ailing) in October?? and if so, is he even able to be President of this country? I thought you had to be born in America to be president."
1. Warrior, it should be, "I SAW a document" [I figure right off that anyone in this country who is ignorant of the English language is just plain ignorant. Note that there are those who want to make it a law that only English can be used officially in the United States.]
2. By "America" did you intend to write "United States". "America" sort of stretches almost from the N Pole to the S Pole, you know North America, South America, etc. Which "America" did you have in mind????
3. What evidence, aside from Rush Limbaugh, can you set forth re the asserted "sealed" action???
4. What evidence can you set out for us to see proving that he is a citizen of Kenya? Let's SEE IT. Warrior is also ignorant of the fact that one can have dual citizenship. My grandson, born in the US and a US citizen, can acquire Irish citizenship any time he wants to.
5. Does warrior then admit that McCain, who was born in the Canal Zone, was also ineligible for the presidency,
since he was NOT "natural-born" in the United States -- or is Warrior still confused by the difference between "America" and "United States"???? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:46 PM:

" This one goes out to my new fan COGNITUS!

The Politico- Liberals are growing increasingly nervous and some just flat-out angry that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. Hes hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And hes stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before its all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment, said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.

OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: Isnt there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?

ROFLMAO!!

Say it with me Cogi ole boy:

Good times! Good Times! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:53 PM:

" Here's more for my angry and bitter little fan, Cognitus:

Now its Obamas Cabinet moves that are drawing the most fire. Its not just that hes picked Clinton and Gates. Its that liberal Democrats say theyre hard-pressed to find one of their own on Obamas team so far particularly on the economic side, where people like Tim Geithner and Lawrence Summers are hardly viewed as pro-labor.

At his announcement of an economic team there was no secretary of labor. If you dont think the labor secretary is on the same level as treasury secretary, that gives me pause, said Jonathan Tasini, who runs the website workinglife.org. The president-elect wouldn't be president-elect without labor."

During the campaign Obama gained labor support by saying he favored legislation that would make it easier for unions to form inside companies. The card check bill would get rid of a secret-ballot method of voting to form a union and replace it with a system that would require companies to recognize unions simply if a majority of workers signed cards saying they want one. Obama still supports that legislation, aides say but union leaders are worried that he no longer talks it up much as president-elect.

P.S. Stop talking to kids in national parks Cogi. LOL!

Good times. Good Times. "

beetle wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:36 AM:

" I would have to say your correct NeoCon Academician but it my case there is difference in what I consider hate and thinking her brains fall out when she opens her mouth.I dont hate the poor girl.You know opinions are like a****** everbodys got em.

Now you have a great day "

father bob wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:37 AM:

" NeoCon Academician wrote on Dec 8, 2008 8:00 PM:
" So if you think it's funny to perpetuate racism with "gotchas" you deserve less than full respect."""""

so i guess the "gotcha" gotcha?....LOL!!
sour grapes as usual Neo? and besides, the only ones offended are the ones that spew the hate the loudest, then get huffy when someone questions their motives.

the guys not even sworn into office yet and you jokers have his presidency a bust. how ridiculous is that...really?

and by the way, when we secretive black muslims outlaw christianity, take away all your guns and round up people for our gulags, i'll ask you about "change". "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:40 AM:

" (Obama and the Admiral got along fine, and Petreus says he and Obama can get along fine on troop withdrawal)

I'm afraid you missed the point Cognitus. I know you're an ObamaZombie and that comprehension of facts and analysis is next to impossible for you, but do try to follow along as best you can.

Here's the point:

From The New York Times

- That status-of-forces agreement remains subject to change, by mutual agreement, and Army planners acknowledge privately that they are examining projections that could see the number of Americans hovering between 30,000 and 50,000 and some say as high as 70,000 for a substantial time even beyond 2011

- There always was a tension, if not a bit of a contradiction, in the two parts of Mr. Obamas campaign platform to end the war by withdrawing all combat troops by May 2010. To be sure, Mr. Obama was careful to say that the drawdowns he was promising included only combat troops. But supporters who keyed on the language of ending the war might be forgiven if they thought that would mean bringing home all of the troops.

- Pentagon planners say that it is possible that Mr. Obamas goal could be accomplished at least in part by relabeling some units, so that those currently counted as combat troops could be re-missioned, their efforts redefined as training and support for the Iraqis...

- To date, there has been no significant criticism from the antiwar left of the Democratic Party of the prospect that Mr. Obama will keep tens of thousands of troops in Iraq for at least several years to come.

I'll dumb it down fer ya Cogi:

Obama was slippery with the details of troop withdraw. You ObamaZombies heard what you wanted to hear. Because.....well....you sheeple are not very....you know....attentive....

tsk tsk tsk..... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:45 AM:

" (yes obama did run on change and who knows it could be on its way if you would just be patient)

Uhm....beetle brain......Obama's already done some changin'.

He's changed his mind on several key promises he made to you ObamaZombie sheeple. And you don't even realize it.

"Yes We Can!"

LOL "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:49 AM:

" (the guys not even sworn into office yet and you jokers have his presidency a bust. how ridiculous is that...really?)

he uhm.....O-bobby-Zombie......your President has already broken several important promises. And you don't even realize it.

How stupid are you people....really.

LOL "

The Question wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:56 AM:

" "and by the way, when we secretive black muslims outlaw christianity, take away all your guns and round up people for our gulags, i'll ask you about "change". "
---
Darn it, Father Bob. You weren't supposed to let the cat out of the bag yet. Didn't you get the memo from Comrade Soros? "

formerillini wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:59 AM:

" I was not aware that 3rd grade students were allow to spend the day posting on the internet. Thats exactly what you people sound like, most anyway. He did this, well he did that, oh he is mistreated cause of race, Lord people, GROW UP!!!! As the original post says, Obama is president or soon to be so lets get over it and move together as we are supposed to be "united". Ever wonder why they call this the "United" States? The election is over, lets all pull together and spend more time voicing our concerns in letters to our elected officials and less time acting like bickering 3rd graders. And btw Father Bob, you little attempt at humor, if you can call it that seriously, is exactly the type of things that incite hate crimes. Grow up and think before you open your mouth please. "

shumphreys wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 AM:

" Medic in regards to your comment about Tiger Woods being of mixed race, we as in the US public crossed the racial barrier in sports a VERY long time ago. Obama isn't playing football, or golf, or tennis, or basketball or soccer....he IS the President of the US of A, "the ruler of the FREE world", the "face of America". AND some are having a very difficult time dealing with this reality. "

shumphreys wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 AM:

" Neocon your statement points out that racism works both ways, but it is still about race--that 110 lb gorilla sitting in the room. "

shumphreys wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:59 AM:

" Ms. Robertson obviously hit the nail squarely on the head--the responders here have proved her main point. "

surveyor01 wrote on Dec 9, 2008 10:12 AM:

" Cognitus wrote on Dec 8, 2008 10:36 PM:
2. By "America" did you intend to write "United States". "America" sort of stretches almost from the N Pole to the S Pole, you know North America, South America, etc. Which "America" did you have in mind????

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

The Pledge of Allegiance continues to be recited daily by children in schools across America. (website Legion of Valor)

Now do you think they were referring to North or South America, Cognitus?

Talk about ignorant, you would be that person Cognitus. Warrior probably didn't have his mommy checking for grammer like you did. Now back to your closet before you get into trouble being on the internet without your parents permission. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Blogo! Rezko! Obamo! Chicago! Democorrupto!

Crook Countyo!

BWAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

Oh those EVIL CORRUPT DEMOCORRUPTS!

LOL!

HOPE AND POCKET CHANGE!

YES WE CAN'T!

LOL! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 10:28 AM:

" GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS ISSUED ON REZKO/OBAMA LAND DEAL

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

HOPE AND CHANGE!

NO WE CAN'T!

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! "

ed miller wrote on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:59 AM:
" Ms. Robertson obviously hit the nail squarely on the head..."

She has sure convinced me. No way am I voting for McCain and Palin. Oh wait.... "

The Question wrote on Dec 9, 2008 12:22 PM:

" The Republican Party motto: "To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and, whatever you hit, call it the target." "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 2:20 PM:

" The Democrat Party motto: "If you can't fool em, buy em. If you can't buy em, blackmail em. If you can't blackmail em. Frame em."

The Second Democrat Party motto: "Vote early and vote often!"

The Third Democrat Party motto: "Every corpse has a right to vote."

The Fourth Democrat Party motto: "He (fill in the blank) was just someone I barely knew." "

ed miller wrote on Dec 9, 2008 2:58 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 2:20 PM:
" The Fourth Democrat Party motto: "He (fill in the blank) was just someone I barely knew." "

Let's count how many time Blago's name shows up in that sentence the next few days. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 3:39 PM:

" (Let's count how many time Blago's name shows up in that sentence the next few days.)

Oh it's already happening, ed.

The Democrats are busy distancing themselves from Blago at a warp speed pace. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:15 PM:

" surveyor01, I just want to point out that you left something out of the official Pledge of Allegiance. It is "one Nation under God, indivisible", don't forget the under God. Probably just an oversight. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Actually, Doh, I think the Dems have been about as hard on Blago on this site as the Pubs were on Ryan. As usual, you got it all wrong. LOL! "

father bob wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:26 PM:

" The Question wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:56 AM:
" "and by the way, when we secretive black muslims outlaw christianity, take away all your guns and round up people for our gulags, i'll ask you about "change". "
---
Darn it, Father Bob. You weren't supposed to let the cat out of the bag yet. Didn't you get the memo from Comrade Soros? """"

black umbrella hector sidewalk 48739 !! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:36 PM:

" sniff* sniff*

did Harry say sumptin? "

The Question wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:43 PM:

" " surveyor01, I just want to point out that you left something out of the official Pledge of Allegiance. It is "one Nation under God, indivisible", don't forget the under God. Probably just an oversight. "
---
But it WAS DELIBERATELY LEFT OUT of the ORIGINAL Pledge of Allegiance, Vanatta, as you know. The "Under God" propaganda was added to the pledge 62 YEARS after the Pledge was written, thanks to a McCarthyite campaign by the Knights of Columbus.
By the way, Father Bob, message received and understood. Weatherspoon Tango Brava! "

father bob wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Jon Vanatta wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:15 PM:
" surveyor01, I just want to point out that you left something out of the official Pledge of Allegiance. It is "one Nation under God, indivisible", don't forget the under God. Probably just an oversight. """"

the pledge of allegiance was a gimmick written to help with the sale of american flags as a school fundraiser. "one nation under god" wasn't even introduced to the pledge until years later.....after a lobby to the president to suggest it.

so this little gimmick really doesn't meant a whole lot other than it's a nice flowery "feel good" spiel. "

father bob wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:58 PM:

" say it ain't so joe!!

Politico reports that Joe Wurzelbacher isn't a huge fan of the man who made him famous. He told conservative radio host Glenn Beck that he felt "dirty" after "being on the campaign trail and seeing some of the things that take place."

"I honestly felt even more dirty after I had been on the campaign trail and seen some things that take place. It was scary, man," Wurzelbacher said. He told Beck he asked McCain "some pretty direct questions" about the bailout, and wasn't pleased with the response. "They appalled me, absolutely. You know, I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Dec 9, 2008 5:50 PM:

" The Question and father bob, neverthless it is in there "under God" since 1954 passed by congress and signed by President Eisenhower I would think you both would know that because we are a nation under God and under His control President Eisenhower knew that well. "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:13 PM:

" father bob wrote on Dec 9, 2008 4:51 PM: "the pledge of allegiance was a gimmick written to help with the sale of american flags as a school fundraiser. "one nation under god" wasn't even introduced to the pledge until years later.....after a lobby to the president to suggest it."

I'm not going to bother checking to see if you're correct or not - I'll just go ahead and assume you are - after all, you DO research a great deal of what you post and I think I can trust you on THIS one.

Okay, so the pledge was a gimmick to sell flags. I can handle that. And "One Nation Under God" wasn't introduced until years later. Okay. I'm cool with that, too.

But the fact remains that "One Nation Under God" was, in fact, added and has not been officially taken out yet (that I've heard of). That means it's still in there.

So whether the pledge was a gimmick or a Communist conspiracy, it makes no difference and whether the ONUG thing was added, amended onto it, revised to include it or attached with a paper clip makes absolutely no difference - it's still part of the pledge.

Ergo, your post was totally meaningless to the discussion. Now THERE'S a shock! "

beetle wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:15 PM:

" In response to BlueDogDemocrat comments about change.I dont believe he ever announced certain people he had chosen for his cabinet to a particular job before he was elected.(therefor he did not change his mind)You look at it as though it is more of the same as it was under the clinton administration therefor that is no change.
I you see ,see it differently .Lets take Hillary for instance they were not exactly the best of friends and he felt regardless of there past differences she would be the best at secretary of state.Im not sure why it is that hard for you to understand that he picked the people he thinks would be best at helping lead our country regardless if you think it is change or not.
Granted BlueDogDemocrat you did not run on change but Im sure you have NEVER changed your mind or wait ...r we allowed to do that.You have to have something to complain about so we will keep you in business for awhile.Im sure it will be awhile for the DOG N YA takes a hike and relieves yourself so carry on.

Anybody need a doggy bag ??? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:44 PM:

" Dear beetle brain-

Obama ran on "Change" that was predicated on "out side of Washington politics as usual."

You've apparently forgotten that minor detail.

And uhm....based on the numerous campaign promises that he has quickly left behind (as easily as a serpent sheds its old skin) we can easily assume that he meant nothing he promised- and in the light of day, he really meant to promise nothing.

Now let that marinade in your cerebral cortex for just a tad. mkay? mkay. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 9, 2008 6:55 PM:

" Anybody need a doggy bag ??? "

Looks like someone else has Doh's number. LOL! "

beetle wrote on Dec 9, 2008 8:16 PM:

" GEE BlueDogDemocrat just because you dont agree with his cabinet doesnt mean there will not be change. They now have a different leader with different ideas just be patient.
There is only a few more weeks before your world will come crashing down by this evil man. While your mad at the world on Jan 20th. some of us will be sitting in our comfy chair watching this great moment in history while you pop down some blood thinners to prevent a stroke.
In all seriousness this has been alot of fun as I have never posted before but Im really not a hateful person I just wrote what I felt as well as you did.Its always fun to argue politics as everyone has an opinion.
You guys/gals are a trip and in parting I hope you can see it in yourself to support your future president. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 9, 2008 9:00 PM:

" (In all seriousness this has been alot of fun as I have never posted before but Im really not a hateful person I just wrote what I felt as well as you did.Its always fun to argue politics as everyone has an opinion.)

I agree beetle.

None of this is ever to be taken too seriously.

That goes for my good friend Harry also. ;-) "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:19 AM:

" In the Bush economy even part time Santa's are being laid off.

Yes Virginia, there is a Santa, but Bush got him fired.

Hopefully, with a Democratic house, the Republicans won't be able to deny him unemployment benefits. "

father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Jon Vanatta wrote on Dec 9, 2008 5:50 PM:
" The Question and father bob, neverthless it is in there "under God" since 1954 passed by congress and signed by President Eisenhower I would think you both would know that because we are a nation under God and under His control President Eisenhower knew that well. """"

you're very entertaining jon. "

father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 AM:

" I would think you both would know that because we are a nation under God and under His control""""

unfortunately his name is bush "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 10, 2008 1:03 PM:

" father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 AM: " I would think you both would know that because we are a nation under God and under His control""""

unfortunately his name is bush "

There you go again (to quote a great American President), you can't refute the facts so you divert from them. "

father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 4:20 PM:

" Mr. Right wrote on Dec 10, 2008 1:03 PM:
" father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 AM: "There you go again (to quote a great American President), you can't refute the facts so you divert from them. "

facts?.....prove it to be fact....we'll wait for your answer.

the most immanent danger to each tradition is the fundamentalists within each one. these are the ones who have an infantile approach to religion. that is, this is the one area of their lives where they have turned their brains OFF. the decided ignorance of things scientific among many christians, the destruction of all things educational by the taliban,and the decision of the orthodox in israel who want no place for the palestinians.

religion is mass brainwashing....period. "

father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 4:22 PM:

" funny....these religious types can't prove anything. there is no proof of fact, just a "belief".

give us tangible evidence other than a book written by old men. "

red,white,blue wrote on Dec 10, 2008 4:53 PM:

" Ed Miller wrote: "She has sure convinced me. No way am I voting for McCain and Palin. Oh wait.... ""

You have nailed exactly why this letter is so irrelavant. What's the point? The election is over is about the only thing that the letter writer wrote worth reading. Actually, I think the only reason she wrote it was not to support Obama but to get in that last little dig. "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 10, 2008 5:40 PM:

" father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 4:20 PM:

" Mr. Right wrote on Dec 10, 2008 1:03 PM: " father bob wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 AM: "There you go again (to quote a great American President), you can't refute the facts so you divert from them. "

facts?.....prove it to be fact....we'll wait for your answer.

fatherbob . . . YOU'RE the one who made the statement. I directly copied and pasted YOUR COMMENT. You're asking me to prove what YOU wrote to be fact and then have the audacity to tell me you'll wait for MY answer????

Read what you wrote . . . oh heck, I'll just paste it here FOR you . . ."the pledge of allegiance was a gimmick written to help with the sale of american flags as a school fundraiser. "one nation under god" wasn't even introduced to the pledge until years later.....after a lobby to the president to suggest it."

That's what you wrote. I told you . . oh heck, I'll just paste it here for you . . ."I'm not going to bother checking to see if you're correct or not - I'll just go ahead and assume you are - after all, you DO research a great deal of what you post and I think I can trust you on THIS one."

bobby . . . you made a statement . . . I condeded the point to you . . . and now YOU'RE asking ME to PROVE it??????

Are you serious???? I'm beginning to think you and shumphreys are drinking out of the same well. "

The Cleveland Steamer wrote on Dec 10, 2008 6:19 PM:

" My name may be grotesque, but these comments are much worse. Do you think any of these politicians mean what they say be it Democrat or Republican. Don't you understand they are just trying to get elected and will say whatever it takes within reason to accomplish that? I must say that the JG-TC comments entertain and disturb me. Not all of the posters on here are idiots, but for the ones that aren't I wonder what there motive is for posting. I guess they're just trying to kill some time. Keep up the good work I will be reading. "

The Cleveland Steamer wrote on Dec 10, 2008 6:20 PM:

" @ JG_TC: You're ads with sound are really annoying, and that is why almost no reputable sites have them. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Dec 10, 2008 7:11 PM:

" Hey Beetle, I don't need a doggy bag I need a puke bag after reading the posts of fb,hp,tq, and you. (sorry I forgot sh) but then sh mostly just makes me want to laugh if wasn't so sad. Does anyone remember what the original letter was about? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:48 PM:

" (@ JG_TC: You're ads with sound are really annoying, and that is why almost no reputable sites have them.)

Yep. I'll second that.

I just turn the sound off. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 10, 2008 9:53 PM:

" (Hey Beetle, I don't need a doggy bag I need a puke bag after reading the posts of fb,hp,tq, and you. (sorry I forgot sh) but then sh mostly just makes me want to laugh if wasn't so sad.)

BWAHAHAH! Good one Jon.

Now THAT cracked me up!

(Does anyone remember what the original letter was about?)

err.....no.

Not after sh got done posting. LOL "

Early Bird wrote on Dec 11, 2008 5:36 AM:

" The Cleveland Steamer wrote on Dec 10, 2008 6:20 PM:

" @ JG_TC: You're ads with sound are really annoying, and that is why almost no reputable sites have them.

...........................

Your posting name may be vulgar and disgusting, but you do have it right about the site ad. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 11, 2008 10:15 AM:

" Our Constitution is one of the greatest governing documents ever been devised by man, and it has served us well for more than 200 years. Lets hope that Harry Reid and his compatriots are not tempted to subvert that governing document and create a precedent that could come back to haunt either party to gain a political advantage in a single Senate race.

Heritage Foundation-

Psst...have you folks been keeping up with the Bush regime and their attempts to dismantle that great document? Guess not... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 11, 2008 11:46 AM:

" psssst.....*whispering* hey harry, have you been keeping up with barry o's support of fisa?

sorry i woke you. "

father bob wrote on Dec 11, 2008 2:31 PM:

" WASHINGTON A new Senate report says the physical and mental abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay Naval Base was the direct result of Bush administration policies and should not be blamed on guards and interrogators.

The report from the Senate Armed Services Committee is the result of a two-year investigation. It directly links President Bush's policies after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, legal memos on torture and interrogation rule changes with the abuse that was photographed at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq four years ago.

The report says administration officials publicly blamed the abuses on low-level soldiers but called that "both unconscionable and false."

committee members:

DEMOCRATS

Carl Levin (Michigan)
Chairman

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
Mark L. Pryor (Arkansas)
Jim Webb (Virginia)
Claire McCaskill (Missouri)

REPUBLICANS

John McCain (Arizona)
Ranking Member

John W. Warner (Virginia)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina)
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina)
John Cornyn (Texas)
John Thune (South Dakota)
Mel Martinez (Florida)
Roger F. Wicker (Mississippi) "

father bob wrote on Dec 11, 2008 2:47 PM:

" lest we not forget:

the top 40 Bush failures

45 million Americans without health care
60 percent of EPA scientists report political interference with their work
1,273 whistleblower complaints filed from 2002-2008; 1,256 were dismissed
190,000 U.S.-supplied weapons missing in Iraq
$212.3 million in overcharges by Halliburton for Iraq oil reconstruction work
$455 billion deficit for fiscal year 2008; estimated to reach up to $1 trillion in 2009
$9.91 billion for government secrecy in 2007 a record
809 government laptops with sensitive information lost by FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
30 million pounds of beef recalled in 2007
$300 billion over budget for Department of Defense weapons acquisitions
Less than 3 percent of U.S. electricity needs met by alternative energy
2,145 troops killed and 21,000 injured in Iraq from March 2003 through November 1, 2008, by IEDs (improvised explosive devices) and other explosives many while awaiting body armor. Additionally, tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed in the conflict
34.8 percent of oil used in America imported during Nixon administration; 42.2 percent during first Gulf War; 59.9 percent in 2006
$100 million for failed FBI computer network
$100 billion in federal tax revenues lost annually to corporations using off-shore tax shelters
163 million airline passengers delayed 320 million hours; cost to U.S. economy: more than $41 billion in 2007
$60 billion stolen in Medicare fraud each year
2.5 million toxic toys recalled in summer of 2007
$12.5 billion for defective National Polar-Orbiting Environmental Satellite System
$4 billion to upgrade National Security Agency computers that often crash, have trouble talking to each other, and lose key intelligence
60,000 flights made by 46 Southwest Airline jets in violation of FAA safety directives due to lax FAA enforcement
12.8 percent job turnover at Department of Homeland Security in 2006 double that of any other cabinet-level agency

if you want the complete list go here:

http://tinyurl.com/66nabn "

injustice85 wrote on Dec 11, 2008 3:02 PM:

" Hasn't anyone on here figured out that they are all corrupt somehow? Are we seriously arguing who did what and which was worse and all that jazz? They are all CROOKS! Sooner or later to everyones disappointment they are going to think about themselves only, Obama has the intelligence and the positive aura that is much needed but in the end he will mess up as well and then maybe everyone will actually have something to complain about but I can't believe everyone is still doing this he said she said crap, GO TO WORK! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 11, 2008 3:42 PM:

" (A new Senate report says the physical and mental abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay Naval Base)

Well gee whiz bobby! Why did Obama say that he would NOT go after the guards and interrogators? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 11, 2008 3:45 PM:

" lest we not forget:

-Democrats voted to go to war also.

-The Democrats corrupt housing institutes Fannie and Freddie did more damage to the world economy than has been seen since The Great Depression.

-bobby needs a nap. "

father bob wrote on Dec 11, 2008 4:14 PM:

" Powell lashes out at Palin: Im from the South Bronx, and theres nothing wrong with my value system.

In an interview with CNNs Fareed Zakaria that will air this weekend, former Secretary of State Colin Powell sharply criticized the Republican party and its values system, taking particular aim at Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK):

Gov. Palin, to some extent, pushed the party more to the right, and I think she had something of a polarizing effect when she talked about how small town values are good. Well, most of us dont live in small towns. And I was raised in the South Bronx, and theres nothing wrong with my value system from the South Bronx.

And when they came to Virginia and said the southern part of Virginia is good and the northern part of Virginia is bad. The only problem with that is there are more votes in the northern part of Virginia than there are in the southern part of Virginia, so that doesnt work.

Powell also said that with the changing demographics of America, the Republican party needs to start listening to minority communities, rather than shouting at them with loaded statements and Republican principles and dogma.

well said brother... "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 11, 2008 4:48 PM:

" Attention all you anti-war ObamaZombies:

Could you explain this to me?

Haaretz- U.S. President-elect Barack Obamas administration will offer Israel a nuclear umbrella against the threat of a nuclear attack by Iran, a well-placed American source said earlier this week. The source, who is close to the new administration, said the U.S. will declare that an attack on Israel by Tehran would result in a devastating U.S. nuclear response against Iran

The current debate is taking place in light of the Military Intelligence assessment that IRAN HAS PASSED BEYOND THE POINT OF NO RETURN, AND HAS MASTERED THE TECHNOLOGY OF URANIUM ENRICHMENT. "

father bob wrote on Dec 11, 2008 4:52 PM:

" This is the state of internal GOP debates these days:

Mike Duncan, who is running for reelection as chair of the Republican National Convention, was apparently compelled by the Twitter feed of a young GOP strategist to erase a backdrop of his website that showcased an elite country club.

David All filed several posts on Thursday raising concerns that the backdrop of Duncan's website -- apparently a photo of the high-end Wisconsin Erin Hills Country Club -- sent the wrong type of political message.

"Mike Duncan using an elitist golf course as his background image is exactly what is wrong with the GOP. $160 green fees," read one tweet. "RNC Chairman Mike Duncan's background image: I believe it sends an elitist message," he wrote in another.

Later in the afternoon, the backdrop on Duncan's website was altered. Officials with the Duncan camp denied that All had any affect. They noted that web images -- which are only seen on the border of the site -- are set to change at random, mainly to shots from the congressman's home state: Kentucky. But the link to the Erin Hill's backdrop (which was posted by All and had a Duncan URL) was, it seems, erased.

"Clearly a lot of people responded, it sparked a little discussion, and they listened," said All, who, It should be mentioned, is volunteering on behalf of Duncan's competitor for the RNC chair, Saul Anuzis.

Asked to respond, Chris Taylor, a spokesman for Duncan said: "I don't believe that the decision of the 168 RNC members [who decide on the next chair] will be made over arguing about backdrops to websites. I believe that it comes down to the issues, that is what these members are focused on. And that is what Chairman Duncan is running his campaign on."

Taylor may be right. But there is a larger point here. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 11, 2008 6:13 PM:

" So.....not only did Obama lie during the campaign about the very real and dire threat that Iran's nuclear program posed.

But now, he has effectively out-Cowboyed Bush, by committing the U.S. to respond to an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel, by LAUNCHING OUR OWN NUCLEAR ATTACK ON IRAN.

HELLO!

All you ObamaZombie war-protesters out there?

Are you okay with this? "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 12, 2008 8:01 AM:

" A little off topic here, but..

Does anyone else find it funny that all of those senators opposing any help to the American auto industry are mostly from states that have foreign owned auto plants within their borders. Choosing to protect foreign interests over American interest seems a tad unpatriotic to me.

If their opposition were strictly along philosophical lines it might seem legitimate, but I don't think it's a coincidence that most of them have foreign companies operating in their states.

But of course it might be just a big coincidence that almost everyone of those in opposition to the assistance programs being pushed fits this description. "

The Question wrote on Dec 12, 2008 8:48 AM:

" The Republicans are determined to break the unions, Harry, no matter what the cost to U.S. economy.
If the middle class is destroyed in the process, so much the better. Subsistence-wage workers without health care don't dare talk back to their corporate overlords.
Kind of funny, isn't it, how so many people have a problem with workers making a living wage, but no problem at all with executives running whole industries into the ground while their pals on the board vote them $100 million bonuses? "

ed miller wrote on Dec 12, 2008 8:50 AM:

" No Harry it's not a coincidence. Too many members of congress push the agenda of their biggest contributors and not necessarily what's best for the country. "

The Question wrote on Dec 12, 2008 8:51 AM:

" By the way, Bush will long be remembered as the man who destroyed the American way of life.
You voted for it, Republicans. Enjoy. "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 12, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Blue Dog:"You seem to be missing the point Darla; Obama ran on "Change". And thus far there has been nothing of "Change" in any of his actions."
Blue Dog, he has been elected for barely a month, and you already expect the world to bve overturned. THE MAN DOES NOT YET EVEN HAVE ANY AUTHORITY; THE OFFICE IS STILL OCCUPIED BY THE MONKEY FROM TEXAS.
Also, obviously you have not been reading the papers or you would ALREADY see evidences of CHANGE.
Yes, I understand you are going to crouch in your corner raising Hell at every imagined slight for the next 4 years, so why don't you just use your own corner or separate blog. Your comments are just the same thing over and over, day after day.......... "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:02 AM:

" This guy had absolutely no accomplishments under his belt other than a bunch of empty rhetoric penned by the marketing expert David Axelrod.
Blue Dog, you're so ignorant I'll bet
you cannot state even ONE of the
measures that he got through the ILL
legislatures -- and there WERE SOME.
NOW let's see you name one? No?? Then
you're attacking from a position of
ignorance.

He ran on a platform of "Change", as an alternative to "Washington politics as usual", and so far he's given nothing but broken promises and backtracks. In other words, more of the same
Look, dumXXX, are you not aware that
HE'S NOT EVEN PRESIDENT YET, HAS NO REAL AUTHORITY -- of which you seem ignorant -- and you're already complaining about what he's NOT done. Could not not at least have the decence -- and intelligence -- to wait until Jaun 21st.
You're like a bulldog, growling in the corner, growling and prematurely on the
attack. "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Hes hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq.

BULLdog. He has NOT. There hasn't been
a lot of conversation about it, but the agreement that GEORGE BUSH and Iraq signed has essentially put that to rest because it is not significantly different from what Obama promised. IN OTHER WORDS,
he has ALREADY influenced the Bush-Iraq agreement to conform, essentially, to his promise.
BD, you would learn a lot if you would educate yourself by reading a NEWSPAPER now and then -- you know, those things they fling on your neighbor's doorstep
every morning..... "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:13 AM:

" Hes hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq.

The phrase you quoted was
".... UNITED STATES of America".
The qualifier, which was not present
earlier, clarifies the matter. "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:18 AM:

" Vanata: (re God"I would think you both would know that because we are a nation under God and under His control President Eisenhower knew that well. "

WOW, since we are "under His control",
then we can blame Bago on God. Thanks
Vanatta for finding an easy way out for everyone. "

Cognitus wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM:

" I think whoever wrote it was a gimmick to "sell flags" was just joking.
One person wrote, "And "One Nation Under God" wasn't introduced until years later. Okay. I'm cool with that, too."
The phrase was inserted as we all agree while Eisenhower was president. It was shoved into the Pledge by Republicans who wanted to prove their strong anti-Communism, in contrast to "GODLESS Communism", by sticking God in the Pledge. It was a cheap political trick by Republicans. "

father bob wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:40 AM:

" Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. "

The Question wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:43 AM:

" The Republican Party has become "Weekend at Bernie's." Want to guess who's playing Bernie? "

father bob wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 AM:

" isn't a nuclear war with iran just what you wingnuts want?

the apocalypse "

father bob wrote on Dec 12, 2008 11:34 AM:

" NEW YORK - Bernard Madoff, a longtime fixture on Wall Street, was arrested and charged on Thursday with allegedly running a $50 billion Ponzi scheme, U.S. authorities said.

Bushs haves and have mores have looted Wall Street, and in the waning days of his administration are rewarded with billions, perhaps trillions of taxpayer dollars. But the Republicans torpedo the auto industry bailout because they cant get last-minute consessions from the working class.

and why was it we bailed out the banks? "

father bob wrote on Dec 12, 2008 12:12 PM:

" real history:

scott ritter: "there are no WMDs"
hans blix: "there are no WMDs"

revisionist history:

karl rove: "if only we knew the truth back then" "

father bob wrote on Dec 12, 2008 12:24 PM:

" An outspoken and polarizing voice in conservative Christian politics resigned effective Thursday from the National Association of Evangelicals after a radio interview in which he voiced support for same-sex civil unions and said he is "shifting" on gay marriage.

The Rev. Richard Cizik's comments _ made on a Dec. 2 "Fresh Air" broadcast on National Public Radio _ triggered an uproar that led to his stepping down as NAE vice president of governmental affairs.

A fixture in Washington for nearly three decades, Cizik has played a key role in bringing evangelical Christian concerns to the political table. But in recent years, he earned enemies in the movement for pushing to broaden the evangelical agenda. His strongest focus was on "creation care," arguing that evangelicals have a biblical responsibility to the environment that includes combatting global warming.

maybe there's hope for you vanatta.. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 12, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Looks like Cognitus is in dire need of further education:

Even though Obama is not yet in office, he has been telling us what he plans to do. And a significant number of those plans ARE CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT HE PROMISED.

PAST AND RECENT OBAMA LIES:

-Selects majority of his Admin from former Clinton Admin

-Names Hillary Clinton Sec of State AFTER belittling her foreign policy credentials

-No Windfall profit tax on Big Oil

-Refusal to investigate terror interrogators.

-He backed the FISA bill

-He said he wouldn't accept campaign donations from private corporations, lobbyists, and special interests groups

-He is going to commit to a nuclear umbrella against Iran

-AND TROOP WITHDRAW:

In an AP story from September 18, 2004, which reported that Barack Obama had previously been open to a U.S. troop increase in Iraq when he was running for Senate, but had warned against a premature troop withdrawal as a "slap in the face to the troops fighting there" which could make Iraq "an extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity."

AND NOW:

Your claim that Obama influenced Bush's withdraw agreement, is tantamount to YOU taking credit for tommorrow's sunrise.

BUT FIRST:

OBAMA'S ORIGINAL WITHDRAW PLAN:
In a separate six-page Iraq plan, he says in a section headed All Combat Troops Re deployed by 2009: The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year - now.

AND NOW

Now that hes been elected...well, he didnt really mean END And he didnt really mean bring home all the combat troops as much as just rename them as training, support, security, etc. Tens of thousands of American troops will remain in Iraq for years-at least until 2011, and perhaps indefinitely as there is no longer the promised Democratic TIMELINE FOR WITHDRAWAL from Iraq.

I think this is important, and so do the hundreds of millions of people around the world who opposed Pres Bushs effort to train the Iraqi security forces, to secure Iraq, to fight Al Queda in Iraq, to leave Iraq only when its secure enough to prevent the need for a 3rd invasion, and who demanded a TIMELINE FOR WITHDRAWAL from President Bush. Those hundreds of millions of people around the world saw HOPE and CHANGE in the face of Pres-elect Obama. Instead, Americans are literally getting the Bush plan for Iraq run by Pres-elect Obama.

So tell me Cogi- is THIS the "Change" (I.E. LIES) you voted for? "

father bob wrote on Dec 12, 2008 2:57 PM:

" Updated | 3:12 p.m. CHICAGOThe White House has turned down a request from the family of President-elect Barack Obama to move into Blair House in early January so that his daughters can start school on January 5.

The Obamas were told that Blair House, where incoming presidents usually stay in the five days before Inauguration Day, is booked in early January, a spokesperson to the Obama transition said. We explored the idea so that the girls could start school on schedule, the spokesperson said. But, there were previously scheduled events and guests that couldnt be displaced.

It remained unclear who on Bushes guest list outranked the incoming President.

Its not a public schedule, said Sally McDonough, spokeswoman for First Lady Laura Bush, in refusing to disclose who was staying at Blair House. Its not a question of outranking the Obamas. Blair House will be available to them on January 15.""""

probably screwing bush out of some easy money... "

Mr. Right wrote on Dec 12, 2008 4:54 PM:

" Cognitus wrote on Dec 12, 2008 10:22 AM:

" I think whoever wrote it was a gimmick to "sell flags" was just joking.
One person wrote, "And "One Nation Under God" wasn't introduced until years later. Okay. I'm cool with that, too."
The phrase was inserted as we all agree while Eisenhower was president. It was shoved into the Pledge by Republicans who wanted to prove their strong anti-Communism, in contrast to "GODLESS Communism", by sticking God in the Pledge. It was a cheap political trick by Republicans. "

My ONLY point was that regardless of how, why, when, where or who, it's STILL in there officially. "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Dec 12, 2008 5:41 PM:

" father bobby wrote on Dec 12,2008 12:24 PM:
maybe there's hope for you vanatta..

and your point is "

The Question wrote on Dec 12, 2008 7:55 PM:

" It remained unclear who on Bushes' guest list outranked the incoming President.
----
Oh, darn. The bin Laden family must be in town. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 13, 2008 7:44 AM:

" I think it's one thing to predict failure from the incoming administration, but find it appalling that Obama's number one critic on here is openly giddy about his wishes for for that failure. Does he actually hate his own country that much? Such hatred can't be measured, in words anyway. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 13, 2008 8:41 AM:

" Perhaps it's reserved by Bush's old Texas buddy, Tom Delay who might be in town to discuss his pardon.

Too bad old Hot Rod is a Dem, if he were a Pub he could probably get a pardon by Bush on his way out. "

The Question wrote on Dec 13, 2008 9:24 AM:

" The Federal Reserve refused a request by Bloomberg News to disclose the recipients of more than $2 trillion of emergency loans from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.
I wonder how much of it now sits in their own Swiss bank accounts, and just how much they had to kick back to Cheney, Paulson and the Bush family?
Trillions in public money made to vanish in the dead of night. Welcome to fascist America, folks "

The Question wrote on Dec 13, 2008 9:25 AM:

" If Rod were a Dem, Harry, he already be the head of FEMA and be doin' a heckuva job. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 13, 2008 10:05 AM:

" (Obama's number one critic on here is openly giddy about his wishes for for that failure. Does he actually hate his own country that much?)

I certainly hope that you're referring to me, Grover Dill (AKA Harry Potter).

Because I will wear the label "Obama's number one critic" like a badge of honor!

Feel free to repeat that moniker as often as possible, Grover. I appreciate it.

Please keep in mind, as I adopt the playbook from you bitter mind-numbed Liberals- that my opposition to your President-Select is not founded in irrational blind hatred (like yours is towards all-things Bush).

No no. My opposition is based on the things that evade all Liberals by their very nature.

Namely: Facts. Commonsense. An accurate recall of history. And logic.

As opposed to the simplistic and irrational motive that feeds the static-minds of all you blind Liberal Ideologues- emotion.

Thank you for the compliment, Grover.

I don't care what anyone says- you're only half crazy! LOL "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 13, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Trillions in public money made to vanish in the dead of night. Welcome to fascist America, folks "

Sort of like those pallets of cash that disappeared in Iraq, huh TQ. Can we say numbered Swiss accounts by the sleaziest regime in history? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 13, 2008 12:43 PM:

" (If Rod were a Dem, Harry, he already be the head of FEMA and be doin' a heckuva job.)

uhm....Question.......

last time I checked....Rockin' Rod Blago WAS a Dem.....

More coffee, Scut? "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 13, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Please keep in mind, as I adopt the playbook from you bitter mind-numbed Liberals- that my opposition to your President-Select is not founded in irrational blind hatred (like yours is towards all-things Bush).

No no. My opposition is based on the things that evade all Liberals by their very nature.

Namely: Facts. Commonsense. An accurate recall of history. And logic.

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Once again, Dohdoggy tries to sell us on his brilliance. All that self back patting must wear you out, Doh. I suspect no one but yourself, well maybe ed miller, is impressed.

Perhaps it's time for some new name to mysteriously pop up and give you some kudos. You know, like you da man! lol! "

medic57 wrote on Dec 13, 2008 2:45 PM:

" Funny, I saw this article on the net today.

Obama's true colors: Black, white ... or neither

Shouldn't it be Red, White and Blue? "

ed miller wrote on Dec 13, 2008 2:50 PM:

" The Question wrote on Dec 13, 2008 9:24 AM:
" The Federal Reserve refused a request by Bloomberg News to disclose the recipients of more than $2 trillion of emergency loans from U.S. taxpayers and the assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.
I wonder how much of it now sits in their own Swiss bank accounts, and just how much they had to kick back to Cheney, Paulson and the Bush family?
Trillions in public money made to vanish in the dead of night. Welcome to fascist America, folks "

Nice try, but your Democratic congress controls the purse strings, not Bush or Cheney. "

RAK wrote on Dec 13, 2008 6:38 PM:

" " Funny, I saw this article on the net today.
Obama's true colors: Black, white ... or neither
Shouldn't it be Red, White and Blue? "

One would think. But promoting racism generates more hits and sells more papers. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 13, 2008 7:44 PM:

" (Once again, Dohdoggy tries to sell us on his brilliance. All that self back patting must wear you out,)

Where did I try to "sell" anything, Grover?

Where did I talk about my brilliance? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 13, 2008 7:54 PM:

" A Little Blago for Everyone

For partisans, theres the schadenfreude that comes with watching the Democrats - self-proclaimed anti-corruption zealots in recent years explain why Blagojevich shouldnt be lumped in with Congressmen Charlie Rangel (cut himself sweetheart deals), William Jefferson ($90,000 in his freezer) and Tim Mahoney (tried to bribe an aide he was sleeping with not to sue him and you thought romance was dead) as part of a new Democratic culture of corruption storyline.

- Jonah Goldberg "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 13, 2008 7:56 PM:

" A Little Blago for Everyone

Theres the enormous I-should-have-had-a-V8! moment as the mainstream press collectively thwacks itself in the forehead, realizing it blew it again. The New York Times which, according to Wall Street analysts, is weeks from holding editorial-board meetings in a refrigerator box created the journalistic equivalent of CSI-Wasilla to study every follicle and fiber in Sarah Palins background, all the while treating Obamas Chicago like one of those fairy-tale lands depicted in posters that adorn little girls bedroom walls. See there, Suzie? Thats a Pegasus. Thats a pink unicorn. And thats a beautiful sunflower giving birth to a fully grown Barack Obama, the greatest president ever and the only man in history to be able to pick up manure from the clean end.

- Jonah Goldberg "

ed miller wrote on Dec 13, 2008 10:47 PM:

" "Thats a pink unicorn. And thats a beautiful sunflower giving birth to a fully grown Barack Obama, the greatest president ever and the only man in history to be able to pick up manure from the clean end."

That is hilarious! "

The Question wrote on Dec 14, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Bush visits the scene of the crime in Iraq, and the fact that he still has to sneak in like a thief in the night shows what a great "success" his criminal invasion has been. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 14, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Golly gee, Question,

When did Barry Hussein Obama say he was going to end that criminal invasion that all those Democrats supported?

When's the great pull-out again? "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 14, 2008 12:27 PM:

" The Question wrote on Dec 14, 2008 9:25 AM:

" Bush visits the scene of the crime in Iraq, and the fact that he still has to sneak in like a thief in the night shows what a great "success" his criminal invasion has been. "

Good point TQ. And I'll bet the government had money for body armor as well as vehicle armor for that rascal. lol!

Did you catch the video on Coonsey's blog showing him making an fool out of himself by shoving a female soldier aside for a photo op? Hilarious.

Doh should check his hero out there too.

I''ll bet he has, but can't figure out how to spin a positive slant on it yet. How about it Doh, did you see your idol hogging the camera and pushing that disgusted and bewildered soldier aside for his pathetic photo op? "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 14, 2008 12:34 PM:

" An Iraqi journalist threw two shoes towards George W Bush, without hitting him, as the US president was shaking hands with the Iraqi prime minister in his office in Baghdad on Sunday, an AFP journalist said.

-------------

Was that sort of like a symbolic boot? lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 14, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Bushes feel good memo, a rather lame attempt to bolster his pathetic legasy, isn't working.

Read this:

Bush is getting all warm and fuzzy in his final days. Unfortunately for the president, the warm feelings are unrequited at the moment. A recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll found that 79 percent of Americans will not miss Bush once he is gone, and that nearly half think he will go down as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history.

I guess more people need to be reading blue Dohdoggy's posts, so they too could see what a great job Bush has done.

And of course how Obama's presidency has been a total failure. (even though it's not started yet) lol! "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 14, 2008 12:53 PM:

" By Michael McKee

Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- A bankruptcy filing by General Motors Corp. or Chrysler LLC might send the U.S. economy into chaos within weeks if it led to a shutdown at the companies.

Industry experts and economists say the automakers would close plants, fire tens of thousands of workers and cut production. That would cause many of their suppliers to collapse, triggering more job losses, straining the cities and states where the car and parts companies operate, as well as federal safety-net programs.

It would also deliver another psychological blow to consumers and a major shock to Main Street following the crises on Wall Street.

----------------

All of this for what appears to be nothing more that an attempt by the GOP to bust a union.

If this happens, you ain't seen nothin' yet. And it will fall on the shoulders of the GOP. "

ed miller wrote on Dec 14, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Still pointing fingers, Potter. For every "expert" that warns us of the apocalypse certain to follow bankruptcy, there are just as many who say we shouldn't bail them out. I don't know what the best solution is, but neither does anyone else. No one can predict the future. I remember watching a panel of "experts" on MSNBC last summer, tell us how oil would top $200/barrel by Christmas.

Do you really think the entire GOP is just trying to break up the unions? Sounds just like the abortion/gun scare tactics that you always complain about. Maybe the union could use a little busting anyway. Ask yourself what the major difference is between US cars and Japanese. These UAW retires were paying NOTHING for full health care and receiving a pension which was more than the average working man makes. This was mostly for doing UNSKILLED LABOR! I'm all for getting a decent wage, but you can't pay someone $35/hr to screw on a lug nut along with with free healthcare for his entire family and keep that up for 40 more years after he retires. Only now since they have been put in the national spotlight, have the unions been willing to make some real concessions. Everyone always talks about the greedy CEO's, but I'll bet the Bigwigs of the unions have their own jets too. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 14, 2008 4:29 PM:

" ed miller wrote on Dec 14, 2008 2:14 PM:

" Still pointing fingers, Potter.

Yup, it's a thankless job, but somebody has to do it, ed.

And I might add, still apologising for the Republican party ed? lol! "

The Question wrote on Dec 14, 2008 5:09 PM:

" The Fed gives away $2 TRILLION in public money to its corporate pals IN SECRET. The Pentagon THROWS AWAY $100 BILLION in Iraq and LIES ABOUT IT. So what's the corporate media news?
How can we hang Blagojevich around Obama's neck? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 14, 2008 5:16 PM:

" Remind us again HairBall:

When did Barry Hussein Obama say he was pulling those evil invading American troops out of Iraq?

Oh and, did Barry's camp talk to Blago or not about Obama's Senate Seat? "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 14, 2008 5:24 PM:

" We were led to believe that we would be greeted as liberators in Iraq. After seeing Bush get shoes thrown at him today, I have to wonder if that's how they greet liberators in Iraq these days. How embarrassing, although not surprising, for our nation, to see our president have objects thrown at him. It brings to mind the rock pelting Nixon got in South American years ago. Imperialism doesn't play too well in occupied countries for some strange reason. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 14, 2008 5:28 PM:

" Oh and, did Barry's camp talk to Blago or not about Obama's Senate Seat? "

How the heck would I know. I wasn't there, were you?

You seem to think you have all the answers, so you tell me Einstein. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 14, 2008 5:53 PM:

" (How the heck would I know. I wasn't there, were you?

You seem to think you have all the answers, so you tell me Einstein.)

Hmmmm- you know Harry, for once, you're right.

So let's listen to someone who was there:

November 23, 2008, Obama's senior adviser David Axelrod - "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them." "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 14, 2008 5:58 PM:

" (so you tell me Einstein.)

Oh please Harry.....you're too kind.

But modesty demands that I ask you to refrain from such overt declarations of my brilliance.

You little schmoozer, you! "

.Doh wrote on Dec 14, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Good night, libtard, maybe tomorrow you can have some of that yellowcake and the icing too. Sweet Oprah dreams! LOL "

red,white,blue wrote on Dec 16, 2008 2:46 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote: " I think it's one thing to predict failure from the incoming administration, but find it appalling that Obama's number one critic on here is openly giddy about his wishes for for that failure. Does he actually hate his own country that much? Such hatred can't be measured, in words anyway. "

I find this both funny and highly hypocritical. You and your buddy TQ along with several others have seemed to have no problem with your hate Bush rants and name-calling. Do you hate your country that much or is it OK when you do what you are accusing others of? I would guess you feel yourself above the fray. Do you actually hate your own country that much? It would seem so from what you have posted on these blogs over the last few years.

As for the shoe-throwing incident, President Bush handled it with class. If and when that happens with Obama, it will immediately be labeled a hate crime. And I surely don't have to tell you that that man could do what he did because President Bush and the United States military gave him that freedom, do I? "

father bob wrote on Dec 18, 2008 5:22 PM:

" great to know "mission accomplished" is alive and well. what a joke!

Al Jazeera Network:

Thursday, December 18, 2008
20:14 Mecca time, 17:14 GMT

The Iraqi authorities have confirmed the arrest of more than 20 employees at the interior ministry on charges of trying to rebuild the outlawed Baath party.

Major-General Abdul-Karim Khalaf, the interior ministry spokesman, told reporters on Thursday that 23 people had been arrested over the past five days, but dismissed suggestions that they had been plotting a coup. "

The Question wrote on Dec 19, 2008 5:41 AM:

" Plotting and counter-plotting and political prisoners in Iraq. Meet the new dictator, same as the old dictator. "

injustice85 wrote on Dec 23, 2008 8:30 PM:

" Mr. Right wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:03 PM:

Let's get some freaking SOLUTIONS and stop the darned back and forth! The election is over. My candidate LOST! Let's move forward! "

This must be hard for some to understand.... "

father bob wrote on Dec 24, 2008 12:07 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Dec 23, 2008 8:30 PM:
" Mr. Right wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:03 PM:

Let's get some freaking SOLUTIONS and stop the darned back and forth! The election is over. My candidate LOST! Let's move forward! "

This must be hard for some to understand.... """""

it certainly is.....obama won...they don't get it. "

injustice85 wrote on Dec 26, 2008 12:11 PM:

" as far as I'm concerned people can complain or they can be productive but being productive at complaining doesn't really make much of a difference in the world so congrats to those who excel in the art of the complaint "

injustice85 wrote on Dec 26, 2008 12:17 PM:

" father bob wrote on Dec 24, 2008 12:07 PM:

" injustice85 wrote on Dec 23, 2008 8:30 PM:
" Mr. Right wrote on Dec 7, 2008 10:03 PM:

Let's get some freaking SOLUTIONS and stop the darned back and forth! The election is over. My candidate LOST! Let's move forward! "

This must be hard for some to understand.... """""

it certainly is.....obama won...they don't get it. "

they don't get it but they will when America actually looks like the land of opportunity again rather than an anguish to the globe, common sense will kick in sooner or later and people will get over the little issues that everyone whined about during the election and will begin to see the truth of the situation at hand and they will realize that John McCain could barely handle the election let alone the country "