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Friday, November 28, 2008 5:06 AM CST
Economy on minds of some Black Friday shoppers



Updated 5:05 a.m. Most early morning shoppers today said they were glad for “Black Friday” sales. For some, however, the economic downturn made today’s discounts especially important.

Many said they hoped to spend less this year on Christmas gifts. And those who were looking to fork over as much money as always said they would work hard to be thrifty, with a little help from stores’ day-after-Thanksgiving price reductions.


All of the shoppers interviewed by the newspaper said they did not plan to use credit cards as they invaded the Tanger Outlet Center in Tuscola, which opened at midnight, or the Cross County Mall in Mattoon, where some stores let customers in before 4 a.m.


“There will be some cutbacks, but not big cutbacks,” said Tammy Rentschler of Mattoon, who hit the Tuscola stores at midnight with her two teenage daughters and their friends.

Rentschler said she was paying for Christmas presents like she always does – with money from their bank’s Christmas club savings account – and emphasizing “more planning and more budgeting” in the aisles and check-out lines. “I’ll be a little more conservative, watching what I spend, spreading it out,” she said.


The economy certainly was on the mind of Dorothy Honn of Mattoon, who ventures to stores early every Black Friday with her daughter, Mary Hawkins, and her grandchildren, Blake Hawkins, 17, and Alicia Hawkins, 16. “People are really in dire straits this year,” Honn said at about 4 a.m. at the Cross County Mall.


“We’ve had to cut down a lot this year,” said Mary Hawkins.


For the first time, her two children – both of whom started jobs this year – will be spending their own money on Christmas presents. “This year, we had to set a budget (and) get the cheapest sales,” said Blake Hawkins.


Former Charleston resident Buffie Miller of Tuscaloosa, Ala., who visited family in the area for Thanksgiving, went to Tanger’s Black Friday midnight opening last year, and she came back again today. She said the economy “is definitely making us want to go out for the sales more tonight and tomorrow … We wouldn’t have come out if there weren’t good sales.”


She said she hopes to reduce the number of presents to one per person this year, a shift from previous years’ practices. However, her family is not sacrificing their charitable giving this year, as they are still participating in the Angel Tree gift-giving program “for those who are less fortunate,” said Miller.


Other Black Friday shoppers said the state of the economy would not affect their buying and giving this year.


“We always do the day-after-Thanksgiving,” said Paula Olmsted of Charleston, who went to stores before dawn today with her daughter, Paige Olmsted, a freshman at Charleston High School, along with Lisa Auten of Charleston and her daughter, CHS senior Megan Auten. The four of them have been early-bird Black Friday shoppers for 11 years. Paige Olmsted was 4 when the tradition began.


They map out stores and products they hope to buy in advance, and then stick to their schedule.


Paula Olmsted said the addition of two new babies actually means they need purchase more gifts this year.


Doug and Julie Sloat of Charleston today made their first-ever pre-dawn Black Friday outing after reading about sales in newspaper advertisements. Almost all the items remaining on their Christmas lists were to be discounted today.


Doug Sloat said he has a secure job at Eastern Illinois University, while Julie Sloat is retired, so they were not as worried about the effect of impending recession on their own shopping.


“But it worries us” how the economy is affecting other people, Doug Sloat also said.


Jennifer McFarland of Effingham returned to the Tuscola outlet mall’s midnight opening for the second time in as many years, with her mother and some other friends in tow. She said plans to spend more money this year because of the addition of several new family members.


Even so, she also hoped to be thrifty – if for no other reason than to keep her husband happy.


“He’s tight,” she said with a laugh.


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Stanley Stetson wrote on Nov 28, 2008 8:18 PM:

" * don't let that little leftard father bob see this * he'll accuse someone of being a racist * "

Early Bird wrote on Nov 30, 2008 6:19 AM:

" Speaking of the economic mess brought to us by the incompetent George Bush, I heard a good one yesterday.

While watching a panel of loyal Republicans defending Bush on Fox yesterdays, I heard some pretty interesting stuff.

First of all one "expert" said the middle class didn't deserve a tax break because most of the middle class don't really contribute that much, and don't pay very much in taxes. Surprisingly, the Fox moderator jumped in to correct that theory. The "expert" went on to say that that any and all tax cuts should go to the high end earners, because they were the ones who created wealth, unlike the other 95% who were merely users and takers.

I found his use of the term 95% interesting.

This joker's ranting sounded like Reagan's trickle down theory on steroids.

Amazingly, even after the failure of Republican economic policies, there are still those pushing for it's continuation.

When it was pointed out that these were the ideas of Bush too, and the results were what we are living with today, the "expert" then shifted gears and went on a rant about excess spending being the culprit. Of course he failed to mention the trillions spent of Bush's folly in Iraq.

Yup, we're spending money on bridges, highways, schools etc. but it's all in Iraq and not here at home where our infrastructure is literally crumbling. "

The Question wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:49 AM:

" Did you ever think of using headlines that tell readers something they don't already know? News, maybe? "

Techno-less wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:00 PM:

" For The Question: I have just been reviewing the comments left on some of the other articles and ran into several of yours.

I apologize that the majority of us have failed to match up to your high standards of intelligence and knowledge, but do you think that you might consider lightening up on the attitude and cut everybody some slack? The negativity is getting a little thick in here.

I'll repeat what I stated on another thread. Insults do no show how intelligent someone is. They just exhibit their mean spirit. Take a chill pill and enjoy the variety. "

English Bob wrote on Nov 30, 2008 4:09 PM:

" Happy holidays Question. You piqued my curiosity. I would like to see the headline you would put on this story. Be mindful that the headline needs to be 8-10 smallish words and give an accurate (non-sarcastic, mind you)overview of the story's contents. The headline must also meet your criterion of telling the readers something they don't already know, the news, while being relevant to the story as a whole. "

The Question wrote on Nov 30, 2008 5:36 PM:

" "Holiday shoppers abandon credit cards" would do it, Bob. That would tell us at least one thing we didn't know before we read the article. "

The Question wrote on Nov 30, 2008 5:47 PM:

" Oh, I don't mind if you don't like my manners, Less. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings. "

Techno-less wrote on Nov 30, 2008 6:54 PM:

" In with the insults again. I am so cringing at being called less...not. Turn out the light and go to bed. It's a school night and you have to get up early. "

Full Boat wrote on Nov 30, 2008 8:48 PM:

" Hey, Question, just curious, did you happen to see when this story was updated? Didn't it happen at 5 in the morning? I guess them putting a story up an hour after it happened isn't soon enough for you. Have you ever heard the expression about hanging and a new rope? "

English Bob wrote on Nov 30, 2008 11:31 PM:

" Hello again Question. "Holiday shoppers abandon credit cards" would not be a bad idea for a headline if the story (at least the online version) devoted more than one line to this topic, which would be a very good topic.
Upon looking at the story again, something like "Shoppers are more budget conscious this year" or "Black Friday sale prices especially important to shoppers this year" might be decent headlines, or maybe not.
Then again, I personally think the original headline was okay. Sometimes the overly obvious headline works, and I have seen this in many nationally distributed newspapers.
I do agree with part of Full Boat's comment. I have to commend the reporter for writing and posting the story, and the headline, in the wee hours of the morning. "

The Question wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:19 AM:

" It's a nickname, Less. Feel free to call me "Quest" the next time you give me orders. "

Techno-less wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:41 AM:

" A nick-name. Yeah, I've read some of the "nick-names" being used on this site. Kind of like calling the kid with glasses four eyes or a clumsy one spaz. These are usually applied by someone who says something not very nice and then claims to be just joking. And then jeers because the target can't take a joke.

Or the adult version where they question the person's intelligence and knowledge, as if the former didn't exist and the latter were inadequate. They use the word ignorant a lot, along with stupid, retard, moron, and idiot.

I do not question your intelligence, but am wondering about the adequacy of your spirit.

And as for ignorance, we all have it to some extent. Ignorance means lacking knowledge. It isn't the same as lack of intelligence. Nobody knows everything. As for me, I am almost completely ignorant about car engines, electronics, how airplanes work, and quite a few other things others in the world know about. So what are you ignorant of, besides the basic rules of human kindness.

I think I'll pass on the "quest." Somehow it doesn't seem to fit. I'll let you know if I decide on a more suitable one. You can take a joke, can't you? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:39 AM:

" Yep. The Democrats have certainly ruined the nation's economy. Their corrupt and fraudulent practices with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac brought the world market to its knees.

What will they do for an encore? Oh yeah, raise taxes in the middle of a recession. "

The Question wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Gee, blue cur, a new AP investigation has shown that it was the Bush administration that backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages YEARS before the economy collapsed, causing the economic collapse.
AP says Bush bowed to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed, and ignored "remarkably prescient warnings" that foretold the financial meltdown, according to regulatory documents.
You'll be reading about it. Too bad for your right-wing propaganda gasbagging, eh? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 1, 2008 1:10 PM:

" Oh really Question? And did the AP happen to mention this?

Democrat Bawny Fwank in House Bill H.R. 3838 actually attempted to "temporarily increase the caps on Fannie/Freddie portfolios and to mandate the "use of 85% of such increase for refinancing subprime mortgages at risk of foreclosure.

Or did the AP (in their attempt to rewrite history) happen to mention this 8 and a half minute video featuring Democrats in their own words not only resisting any regulation on Fannie and Freddie, but responding with indignation?

http://tinyurl.com/4c89v9

I think even someone as partisan and dishonest as you, gasbag, can clearly see how this video trumps the AP's propaganda attempt. "

The Question wrote on Dec 1, 2008 2:28 PM:

" I'm sure some Democrats are at fault, too. But the Republicans have been baying at the moon for deregulation for 40 years or so and they finally got it, a fact you so conveniently ignore, O Bluedog Republican.
Read the evidence the Associated Press has gathered in its investigation. Be interesting to hear what you have to say about that. LOL. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 1, 2008 3:52 PM:

" I don't really care what the AP says, Question. Nothing can negate the fact that Democrats promoted lacked regulation and irresponsible lending practices in the federal housing market.

Fannie and Freddie had a debt to core capitol ratio of 65 to one. There is no way a private bank would be allowed to have such a highly geared balance sheet. The belief in the implicit government guarantee allowed the pair to borrow cheaply. This made their model work. They could earn more on the mortgages they bought than they paid to raise money in the markets. Had Fannie and Freddie been hedge funds, this strategy would have been known as a carry trade. And of course, CEO's like Franklin Raines cooked the books to hide the bad paper.

This is how this entire mess started. And it was DEMOCRATS in Congress that not only oversaw this systemic corruption; they actually promoted it.

You and the AP can spin all you want. It won't change the facts, and it won't rewrite history. "

The Question wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:17 PM:

" I know, Doggy. Right wingers like you never really need any facts at all. Your rigid ideology makes all investigation and reporting superfluous.
For example, those Iraq WMD will always be a terrible threat that justified an invasion to you. The mere fact that they didn't exist is irrelevant, isn't it? "

father bob wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM:

" BlueGod......kind of sounds like some squeaking little smurf running around trying to kick shins for amusement!! "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:37 PM:

" Golly Question, you mean those WMD that the Clinton Administration claimed Saddam had?

And say, as I recall, Bill claimed Saddam had a sweet relationship with Al Qaeda too!

Didn't Obama just name Hillary as his Secretary of State? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:43 PM:

" ( BlueGod......kind of sounds like some squeaking little smurf running around trying to kick shins for amusement!!)


....but enough about your drug induced delusions fatherbob.... "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 1, 2008 7:20 PM:

" father bob wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:36 PM:

" BlueGod......kind of sounds like some squeaking little smurf running around trying to kick shins for amusement!! "

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I think that hit a target, fb. LOL!

Squeaking little smurf? I love it! "

RAK wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:12 AM:

" "Squeaking little smurf? I love it! "

Jeez Harry. Noone wants to hear about your adult toys. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:01 AM:

" Middle-class tax cut may come soon
Remember all the talk during the presidential campaign about a middle-class tax cut? It could be showing up in your paycheck early next year, CNNMoney reports. As the debate heats up over how to pull the economy from the ledge, tax cuts for the middle-class likely will play a central role. President-elect Barack Obama hopes to have a stimulus plan waiting for his signature when he takes office on January 20

CNN-(you won't hear this on Fox)

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I guess Obama hasn't been reading the remarks made by some of the resident naysayers on here, like our friend Doh, who swears that Obama is secretly planning on raising taxes on the middle class.

I have a suspicion, that just like he is in most instances, he will be wrong once again. "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:19 AM:

" Branching out, RAK? "

RAK wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:16 PM:

" What's the matter Harry? Break your squeeky toy before Friday night?

Does me posting in other places confuse your post counting? Take off your shoes, it may help. "

Becky wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:16 PM:

" I just pulled off a new joke from the net. It's Prez Bush stating "I'd like to tell my fanantic supporters that today is a turning point in my Administration. It's time to stop blaming the Clinton Admin for wars, $7 trillion more in National Debt, and the New Depression. Starting today, it's time to start blaming the Obama Administration."

Now that does sound like a Bush sound bite ;) "

warrior wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Thank God for Obama, the only person who has ever been elected as president of our country that wasn't born here and may not even be an American Citizen. Of course we will never know because he had his records sealed (remember when he went to hawaii to see his Grandma) so no one can see them. I wonder if he is still going to make his Aunt (who is here illegally) go back to kenya???
I can hardly wait to see what he is going to lie about during his 4 years as president. Oh wait,never mind, he's already lied, he's NOT taxing the rich (like he said in his campaign), he lied about change and brought back the Clinton Administration (you know the same losers who ran up the unemployment to 6.5% and let North Korea develop a Nuclear Weapon right under their noses). I suppose while Obama is talking to the Dictators of the other country's for the next 4 years they will have plenty of time to develop their own nuclear bombs. GO DEM'S!! LOL "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 2, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Looks like Harry decided to crawl out from under his rock again. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Dec 2, 2008 3:28 PM:

" RAK- (What's the matter Harry? Break your squeeky toy before Friday night?

Does me posting in other places confuse your post counting? Take off your shoes, it may help.)


ROFLMAO!

I think you better quit while you're behind Harry! LOL "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 2, 2008 4:07 PM:

" The last time I looked, Panama is a foreign country. The military bases there were, as everywhere else in the world are leased, not owned. Yes, I realise the courts have ruled on this. So if McCain had won would you be whining? "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 2, 2008 4:45 PM:

" I think you better quit while you're behind Harry! LOL "

I'm just getting warmed up. LOL! "

father bob wrote on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM:

" http://tinyurl.com/6evhjg "

STINKY wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:01 PM:

" I love how everyone is so hypercritical and rude on these message boards. I been reading this stuff for at least a year now and I can't get enough. Keep up the work. "

.Doh wrote on Dec 3, 2008 8:51 AM:

" I'm just getting warmed up.


Projecting your fantasies again, Harry? LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Dec 6, 2008 4:25 PM:

" STINKY wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:01 PM:

" I love how everyone is so hypercritical and rude on these message boards


I agree STINKY, it's too bad everyone can't be as polite as me. "

 

 




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