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Friday, November 21, 2008 9:53 PM CST
LETTER: Where were complaints after Bush's election?



In response to William Ogle’s letter of Nov. 17, I would like to take him back to the last two presidential elections.

I don’t think we heard him complaining when George Bush and his cronies took over the country. There were many improprieties in the previous elections and the judges of the Supreme Court were used to achieve this. I would dare say they fit the bill of coup d’etat.

I do believe the country is ready for change and that it is why we saw such high voter turnout. The corruption in government is rampant. The secrecy and lies of the Bush/Cheney administration. I am sure the families of service people serving in Iraq never want to get that call that their loved one was killed but imagine losing that loved one by electrocution while taking a shower that was installed by Halliburton.

It is a complete falsehood that the Democrats want to take your guns. But let me ask you, why do you need an assault rifle? Those are the types of guns that we need to get off the street, not the everyday hunting, etc., type of guns.

I’ve been scratching my head for the last eight years and wondering how could this happen. How could our country elect a president and vice president who have done the things to our American people that these two have.

Fortunately I can look in the mirror and know that I didn’t vote for them and I am very proud to have voted for Barack Obama.

Yes the die is cast for the next four years and only at the completion of President-elect Obama’s term will we truly know the change in America.

Yes may God have mercy on us, but there are a lot more reasons that we need the mercy of God than for who was elected president.

KAY PEASE

Humboldt

 


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father bob wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 PM:

" i look in the mirror too....and things are ok, except for that lingering feeling of impending doom that lurks.

maybe it will ease as time goes on, but i'm aware of it, and how quickly history can change.

there's evil that has taken over this country in the past 8 years.....and it's not going away easily. "

medic57 wrote on Nov 22, 2008 4:42 AM:

" The corruption in government is rampant. The secrecy and lies of the Bush/Cheney administration.

And there was no corruption in the Clinton Administration, or Reagan or Bush 1, right?, or Carter or Nixon or Kennedy. "

Early Bird wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:23 AM:

" I find it absolutely amazing the there are so many sore losers over the results of this election. If those websites that allow anything and everything to be posted are an indicator of the real reason for such dissension, then a lot of the problem is obvious: Racism.

Thankfully, this site won't allow hateful racists remarks to be made that so many sites do.

It seems that those predicting all the doom and gloom for the future are in a fog over what the Bush administration has done to us.

Only a truly blind political partisan could fail to see what this administration has done to this great country.

Fox news and the radio nutcases are now trying to shift the blame for Bush's economic chaos onto Obama's shoulders.


I heard the noted gasbag, Limbaugh claim this mess is the result of fear in the market of what the socialist/commie (his words) would do once in office.

Limbaugh, Hannity and all of their ilk seem to be in dire need of a reality enema.

I find their delusional rantings absolutely hilarious, and doubt that other that any thinking person will buy their ruses.

We are witnessing a meltdown over this election from those on the right. But I have to admit their near hysterical ranting makes for a good laugh, on this site as well as the many other out there in the cyber world.

I'm just relieved that we don't have to be bombarded with the semi-literate Alaskan redneck, Sarah Palin, on a daily basis anymore. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:01 AM:

" And there was no corruption in the Clinton Administration, or Reagan or Bush 1, right?, or Carter or Nixon or Kennedy. "

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Actually more people left the Reagan regime under a cloud of suspicion and disgrace than any administration since. So would that make the Reagan administration the most corrupt in modern times?

Using the standard of forced resignations, it probably would.

Bush may have broken Reagan's all time spending record, but so far he hasn't beaten his record for corrupt aides being forced into resignation. Although if Cheney's gets convicted for influence peddling, he might come close before his term is up. With that happening, Cheney might even beat Spiro Agnew's claim to the title of the most corrupt VP in modern history.

If I were Bush, I would be considering a post dated pardon for his corrupt VP, and a big reward of some sort for Scooter Libby for taking the fall for his despicable boss. Perhaps a job at the comedy news channel, Fox, working along side of Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich or one of the many other disgraced Republicans that seem to pop up on that so called news channel, would be suitable for Libby.

But back to the original question, yes all administrations have had their share of corruption, but it's Reagan's administration, followed closely by Nixon's, that have set the records for all around corruption and crooked aides forced in leaving. Poor Bush has to settle for number three on the list of corrupt administrations in the modern era.

Probably the least corrupt Republican administration of late, not counting the caretaker reign of Ford, would be that of Bush the elder, although he did taint his record by pardoning all of the Iran Contra thugs and goons from the previous administration.

What is it about corruption and the GOP?

When it comes to comparisons for the two major parties for corruption and scandals, it's obvious that the Democratic party doesn't hold a candle to the Republican party.

On an final note, I believe Cheney is the first VP, well at least in modern times anyway, to have shot some one.
That distinction, and of course Spiro Agnew's bribes being hand delivered to the White House are among the many scandals of the modern day GOP.

That concludes today's history lesson on the corrupt Republican party. LOL! "

joe hardy wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:12 AM:

" Yes, thankfully we have the brilliant Joe Biden who thought Roosevelt was on television announcing the stock market crash. "

ed miller wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:01 PM:

" Kay if you want to hear Bush complaints, just read these posts. The blind party loyalists here think the Republicans are solely to blame for all of the problems and the Democrats do no wrong. I'm very glad you are proud to have voted for Obama. Exactly what has he done to make you so proud to support him? How do you know that McCain, Barr, or Nader wouldn't have done a better job? I'm glad you are buying into the "change" hype as well. I think the only change will be the name on the Whitehouse mailbox. "

Tom Andres wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Kay, operating under the wild assumption that you're interested in facts, here's something from Polito.com, 11/08/08:

Despite widespread predictions of record turnout in this years presidential election, roughly the same portion of eligible voters cast ballots in 2008 as in 2004.

Between 60.7 percent and 61.7 percent of the 208.3 million eligible voters cast ballots this year, compared with 60.6 percent of those eligible in 2004, according to a voting analysis by American University political scientist Curtis Gans, an authority on voter turnout.

He estimated that between 126.5 million and 128.5 million eligible voters cast ballots this year, versus 122.3 million four years ago. Gans said the gross number of ballots cast in 2008 was the highest ever, even though the percentage was not substantially different from 2004, because there were about 6.5 million more people registered to vote this time around. "

1 cav wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Early Bird wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:23 AM:all of their ilk seem to be in dire need of a reality enema.*****************
Pease and you so far on this blog has your reality enema coming right after Jan.20th just hang on. 911 was a cake walk compared to what is coming.
Pease showed her knowledge limits on so called assault weapons that have been outlawed since the 1930's.
Lets see what are Obama's attributes ?? "

Collatine wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Kay references the high voter turnout. In truth, the turnout was no higher than 4 years ago, and it wasn't a record by any stretch of the imagination.

I also loved the not-so-veiled implication that the evil Cheney electrocuted a soldier. LOL. Nice.

Kay also mentions no one "needs" an assault rifle. No kidding. We also don't need freedom of speech, the freedom to abort babies, or the freedom to attend (or not) one of a million churches. We also don't "need" HD TVs, iPods, or kiwi from Brazil. But here in America, we have something called rights. Rights to abort, rights to political speech, rights to go (or not) to church, rights to buy HD TVs, iPods and kiwi, and yes, rights to own assault rifles. I love this country!

While I too believe America was ready for a change, I find amusing people who say that all the nation's problems started 8 years ago. Not 10, not 16, not 4, not since 9/11, but 8. It's an oversimplication, a dumbing down of what is happening, and lacks historical context. I guess, I'd suggest that the "all the world's woes began under Bush" people gain some perspective and study the issues. Obama certainly doesn't believe that life was flawless until Bush was elected: it was just a marketing message that captured the nation's frustrations.

Which brings me to my final point, directed at Early Bird. You've said in at least two posts that those who voted against Obama were "sore losers."

Sore losers? Are you kidding me?

How many high profile conservatives have said they were moving out of the country since Obama got elected? Liberals are the whiniest group of brats around when they lose.

After the last two elections, all I've heard from my liberal friends is nothing but snide, bitter, and sometimes hateful, but always emotionally negative comments towards Bush. Liberals are the sorest of losers, oh, but they win with magnanimity!

Many of the negative comments towards Obama are trite and rooted in emotionalism, but they still pale compared to the sheer hatred shown to Bush. Even the racist jokes are harmless, reflecting more on the joker than Obama. Heck, Early Bird, even in your post, you resorted to emotional name calling (you often do) to a popular governor and a couple of popular talk show hosts.

Finally, Limbaugh et al, aren't trying to shift the blame from Bush (who since 2001 has governed from the left in every area except abortion), they are spreading the blame to the goofy Democrat-inspired policies that forced lending institutions to give money to those who can't pay it back, starting in the 1990s- which (like most liberal policies) is wonderful in the short term, but disastrous in the long. If Bush deserves any blame at all, it was in not firing Greenspan in 2000. "

Tom Andres wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:32 PM:

" Here's another fact for you, Kay:

President-elect Barack Obama has selected Eric Holder as his Attorney General. Holder, as Deputy Attorney General under Janet Reno during the Clinton Administration, said that the Second Amendment does NOT protect an individual right to bear arms, but instead protects the right to have a firearm when serving with a militia. After leaving office, Holder stuck to that assertion when he signed Janet Reno's brief to the Supreme Court in the Heller case, which stated, "The Second Amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that is unrelated to participation in a well-regulated militia." "

medic57 wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:10 PM:

" I'm just relieved that we don't have to be bombarded with the semi-literate Alaskan redneck, Sarah Palin, on a daily basis anymore. "


Let's see, she has a BA, has been a counsilwoman, a mayer and a governor, and a Vice-Presidential running mate. Yeah, that spells redneck to me too. "

red,white,blue wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:53 PM:

" And your remarks about Sarah Palin show no hint of bigotry either, right EB? Maybe we'll just go with misogyny. "

Cognitus wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:42 PM:

" "And there was no corruption in the Clinton Administration, or Reagan or Bush 1, right?, or Carter or Nixon or Kennedy."
Sorry folks but medic57 has a bit of amnesia. He doesn't remember Iran-Contra for which Reagan should have been impeached, finally admitted publicly he had lied about it (and m57 has also forgotten Bush#1 claimed to be 'out of the loop' but Weinberger's notes proved him to be a liar -- so he pardoned Casper so he would never be called on to testify). And oh yes, Watergate -- medic57 still thinks that's just an apartment address in DC. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Hey look who's back! I guess he's been busy amassing all of those extensive files, and searching for more Mexican day laborer jokes. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Many of the negative comments towards Obama are trite and rooted in emotionalism, but they still pale compared to the sheer hatred shown to Bush. Even the racist jokes are harmless, reflecting more on the joker than Obama. Heck, Early Bird, even in your post, you resorted to emotional name calling (you often do) to a popular governor and a couple of popular talk show hosts.

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Actually I think the Bird was rather kind in his remarks about Limbaugh, Hannity and Palin. I would have said those lying scumbags and the brainless moron from Alaska. But that's just me. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:35 AM:

" You're right about the Iran-Contra deal, Cognitus. Reagan should have been impeached. His attempt to circumvent the congress should have brought impeachment. Bush 41's convenient pardons insured silence over that whole issue. I wonder if you can impeach a president posthumously?

Republicans break the law and are rescued by pardons. How many crooked Republicans will Bush pardon on the way out? I'll bet the accused felon, Tom De Lay has his fingers crossed. Actually, old Tom will probably be taking the potato salad to one of Bush's drunken cookouts this time next year. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 23, 2008 9:45 AM:

" Let's see, she has a BA, has been a counsilwoman, a mayer and a governor, and a Vice-Presidential running mate. Yeah, that spells redneck to me too. "

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Speaking of spelling.

What's a counsilwoman and a mayer?

Did you mean councilwoman and mayor?

(just kidding) "

The Question wrote on Nov 23, 2008 10:00 AM:

" "a counsilwoman, a mayer?"
Sheesh. You're not convincing anyone of your expertise on education, Meds. You can look up the spelling of simple words on line, you know. For Pete's sake, stop embarrassing yourself. "

AnnaNiemaus wrote on Nov 23, 2008 10:07 AM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:53 PM:
" And your remarks about Sarah Palin show no hint of bigotry either, right EB? Maybe we'll just go with misogyny. "

Misogyny is what the GOP committed when they selected that vapid thing to represent women. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 23, 2008 12:21 PM:

" I noticed that the McCain/Palin campaign never showed McCain and Palin's youngest one on the same stage at the same time. Hmmmm... I read somewhere that the young one has a remarkable resemblance to Old....never mind, probably just an Internet rumor. But it would explain why such a incompetant light weight was chosen by that side. "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:59 AM:

" The Bush administration is giving $306 billion in borrowed taxpayer money to Citigroup.
Hank Paulson's solution to bank robbery is to provide a getaway limo for the bank robbers. "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 6:01 AM:

" So it's $306 billion for Citigroup, is it?
There goes the Bush administration, redistributing the wealth again -- from the poor and the middle class to the rich. "

cheeseburger wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:05 AM:

" Kay, that is just typical democrat talking. If you think for a moment they wont take our guns(sounds like you dont have any) you are badly mistaken. obama has voted for every gun control bill that has been brought up. Look at chicago, it has a total ban on hand guns and it has the highest murder rate in the U.S. All they (you) are doing is taking the guns out of law biding citizens and leaving them all to the gangs and thieves. Chicago is all demcrat and the crooked gov. (all the cronies). i have several "assult guns) they aren't jumping out of my gun case to shoot anybody.. so in four or less years i dont want to see you writing another letter saying how bad things are.... YOU voted for him...NOT ME!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 24, 2008 7:22 AM:

" It seems the Bush administration practices reverse Robin Hood economics, TQ. Should we be surprised? "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 8:25 AM:

" "It seems the Bush administration practices reverse Robin Hood economics, TQ. Should we be surprised?
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But I thought Republicans were dead set against "redistribution of wealth," Harry. I guess that doesn't apply, though, when it's the rich stealing the last resources that the poor and the middle class have. "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 8:38 AM:

" "so in four or less years i dont want to see you writing another letter saying how bad things are.... YOU voted for him...NOT ME!!! "
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That's right. You only voted for the man who has given the nation two failed trillion-dollar wars, a spike in wealth inequality, vast numbers of people without health care, the collapse of national infrastructure, the drowning of a city, police state spying on Americans, the use of TORTURE as official policy, the biggest financial crisis in at least 80 years and the irreversable decline of America's world reputation. You must be awfully proud of yourself.
Hang on to those guns, Mr Cheesy. Maybe you can use them to shoot yourself a new job. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Now Obama's sending his daughters to a ritzy private school, Michelle believes very strongly in the value of public education, mind you. Just not for her kids.

Chelsea Clinton went to this same school, incidentally, which is perfectly in keeping with the blueprint Obamas followed thus far:

Re-installing the entire Clinton Administration.

So much for all that talk of "change". "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 10:59 AM:

" All of Barack Obamas policy statements come with an expiration date, and now the Left may experience the same frustration as the Right did during the campaign.

The latest example came yesterday, with the expiration delivered by David Axelrod. Those Bush tax cuts Obama wanted repealed? Not so fast:

President-elect Barack Obama may consider delaying an election promise - to roll back tax cuts on high-income Americans - as part of his economic recovery strategy, a senior aide and an adviser said on Sunday.

David Axelrod, one of Obamas closest confidants chosen to be a senior White House adviser, was asked if the tax cut could be ended later than Obama called for during the campaign. Considerations will be made, he said on Fox News Sunday.

So many campaign promises broken, and he's not even been sworn into office yet. I have this growing feeling that the next four years are going to be awfully long for all you Obama sheeple. And awfully fun for the rest of us. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:30 AM:

" (police state spying on Americans, the use of TORTURE as official policy)

Did I happen to mention that Obama is NOT going to investigate terror interrogators?

Did further happen to mention this?

Back in June Senator Barack Obamas decision to support legislation granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that cooperated with the Bush administrations program of wiretapping without warrants has led to an intense backlash among some of his most ardent supporters.

Looks like Barrack is all for those evil Fascist policies of the evil Bush-Hitler regime. The more things "change" the more they stay "Fascist". ;-) "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 11:46 AM:

" (the biggest financial crisis in at least 80 years)

That was actually caused by the Democrats corrupt housing institutions Fannie and Freddie.

Did you know that former Fannie CEO's Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines are both Obama advisors?

Did you also know that Raines was found guilty of cooking the books at Fannie Mae and paid a fine of $2 million dollars (out of taxpayers money) as he personally pocketed a cool $90 million?

And did you further know that one of Obamas top transition team members, Thomas Donilon, oversaw an aggressive, backdoor lobbying campaign by mortgage giant Fannie Mae to undermine the credibility of a probe into the firms accounting irregularities, according to a 2006 government report on the company.

The effort, which reportedly included attacks on the funding for the oversight agency, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, and an attempt to launch a separate investigation into OFHEO itself, was ultimately unsuccessful, and regulators eventually discovered top Fannie Mae executives had been manipulating the companys financial reporting to maximize their bonuses.

How interesting that Obama keeps selecting lobbyists for his transition team after spending most of his time over the past year issuing populist pap vilifying them. Among Fannie Maes culprits, Donilon occupies a special place, having successfully blocked regulators who tried to correct the corruption at the GSE as well as having misled board members to the extent of the fraud. He should be the target of an investigation, not an adviser to an incoming administration,

and his inclusion on Obamas team exposes Obamas talk of change as a fraud in itself. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:03 PM:

" Speaking about Obama selecting lobbyists for his transition team;

Didn't Barrack vow to end the Washington-politics-as-usual form of government?

I think we can chalk that up to more outright Obama lies, all designed to mislead the country into electing this Fascist in Hope-And-Change clothing. "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:04 PM:

" Here's a nice question for you. How much of the Bush administration's trillion-dollar bailout has gone to anyone who is NOT in the upper one percent income bracket?
The answer, of course, is, "None of it." "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 PM:

" "Did I happen to mention that Obama is NOT going to investigate terror interrogators?"
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Wrong as always, blue cur. Obama advisers say they plan to set up a public 9/11-style commission that will investigate counterterrorism policies and torture.
I wish he would prosecute, too. But at least they will expose the horrors that the criminal Bush administration has engaged in. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:08 PM:

" Oh no, MORE corruption in the Obama Administration:

President-elect Barack Obamas newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot red flags, according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com.

According to a complaint later filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Freddie Mac, known formally as the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, misreported profits by billions of dollars in order to deceive investors between the years 2000 and 2002.

Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention.

This isn't Hope and Change,
This more of the same. "

father bob wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Tom Andres wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:32 PM: "The Second Amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that is unrelated to participation in a well-regulated militia." """"

i hope the only guns taken away belong to you tom...then maybe you'll be happy. "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Funny that Citibank played a key role in prevent people from escaping credit card debt in the bankruptcy law they shoved down America's throat.
Now those same taxpayers are being forced to providing hundreds of billions to bail out deadbeat Citibank.
Profits are strictly private but corporate risks are all "socialized" in fascist America. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 1:07 PM:

" (Wrong as always, blue cur. Obama advisers say they plan to set up a public 9/11-style commission that will investigate counterterrorism policies and torture.)

I'm afraid you can't read Question.
Obama's looking at POLICIES, NOT THE INTERROGATORS.

He plans instead a forward-looking panel to return recommendations for future policy rather than pursue a potentially divisive prosecutorial policy. He's NOT investigating the interrogators.

Two Obama advisers said theres little if any chance that the incoming presidents Justice Department will go after anyone involved in authorizing or carrying out interrogations that provoked worldwide outrage.

Obama has committed to reviewing interrogations on al-Qaida and other terror suspects. After he takes office in January, Obama is expected to create a panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to study interrogations, including those using waterboarding and other tactics that critics call torture. The panels findings would be used to ensure that future interrogations are undisputedly legal.

Are you normally this obtuse, Question? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 1:18 PM:

" (Now those same taxpayers are being forced to providing hundreds of billions to bail out deadbeat Citibank.
Profits are strictly private but corporate risks are all "socialized" in fascist America.)

Well Question, you must really be upset with the "corporate risks" that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac engaged in.

They were allowed to operate with tiny amounts of capital. The two groups had core capital (as defined by their regulator) of $83.2 billion at the end of 2007; this supported around $5.2 trillion of debt and guarantees, a gearing ratio of 65 to one. According to CreditSights, a research group, Fannie and Freddie were counterparties in $2.3 trillion-worth of derivative transactions, related to their hedging activities.

Had Fannie and Freddie been hedge funds, this strategy would have been known as a carry trade.

It was DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS who actually encouraged this corruption. And two Fannie Mae CEO's Johnson and Raines are current Obama advisors. Oh, and his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot red flags.

Oh, and one of Obamas top transition team members, Thomas Donilon, oversaw an aggressive, backdoor lobbying campaign by mortgage giant Fannie Mae to undermine the credibility of a probe into the firms accounting irregularities, according to a 2006 government report on the company.

Where's your outrage at all of this, Question? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 1:29 PM:

" Speaking of Citibank:

Obama sued Citibank Under The Community Reinvestment Act to force CitiBank to make bad loans.

It was a typical ACORN lawsuit to get banks to hand out bad loans.

In these lawsuits, ACORN makes a bogus claim of Redlining (denying poor people loans because of their ethnic heritage). They protest and get the local media to raise a big stink. This stink means that the bank faces thousands of people closing their accounts and get local politicians to lobby to stop the bank from doing some future business, expansions and mergers.

If the bank goes to court, they will win, but the damage is already done because who is going to launch a big campaign to get the banks reputation back?It is important to understand the nature of these lawsuits and what their purpose is. ACORN filed tons of these lawsuits and ALL of them allege racism.

Did I mention that 15 million individual bankrupt loans were given to illegal aliens who were NOT required to provide a Social Security number NOR provide any proof of income?

I guess it's no surprise that Democrats in Congress want to bail CitiBank out now. "

shumphreys wrote on Nov 24, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Isn't all this firearms talk sort of wasted (i.e. silly)? Didn't the Supreme Court pass a ruling last term that upheld the right of individuals to have/own firearms? "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 2:59 PM:

" (Funny that Citibank played a key role in prevent people from escaping credit card debt in the bankruptcy law they shoved down America's throat.)

Oh, I've got an even funnier one for you, Question:

Remember when Barack Obama wanted to change the manner business got conducted in Washington? If that seems a long time ago, it retreated further in the distance when Team Obama admitted that running mate Joe Biden had a son consulting MBNA, a credit company who had a lot to lose if a bankruptcy bill Obama opposed became law. Biden actively supported the bill, which made their investment in consultants look wide indeed.

During the years that Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. was helping the credit card industry win passage of a law making it harder for consumers to file for bankruptcy protection, his son had a consulting agreement that lasted five years with one of the largest companies pushing for the changes, aides to Senator Barack Obamas presidential campaign acknowledged Sunday.

Mr. Bidens son, Hunter, received consulting fees from the MBNA Corporation from 2001 to 2005 for work on online banking issues. Aides to Mr. Obama, who chose Mr. Biden as his vice-presidential running mate on Saturday, would not say how much the younger Mr. Biden, who works as both a lawyer and lobbyist in Washington, had received, though a company official had once described him as having a $100,000 a year retainer. But Obama aides said he had never lobbied for MBNA and that there was nothing improper about the payments.

Mr. Bidens support for the bankruptcy changes, which were signed into law in 2005, puts him at odds with Mr. Obama of Illinois, who opposed the bill and has criticized the presumptive Republican nominee, Senator John McCain of Arizona, for supporting it. Consumer advocates and other Democratic allies remain sharply critical of Mr. Bidens actions, saying in recent days that they could hamper the campaigns efforts to attack the Republicans over their handling of the nations credit crisis.

That doesnt mean that the bill itself was bad, by the way. Bankruptcy had become too easy an out for debtors, and the system needed reform. However, Barack Obama has hammered McCain on this exact same bill, claiming that he sided with corporate interests over the welfare of average Americans. At least McCain voted his conscience on the bill, rather than protect his familys pecuniary interests.

More Obama hypocrisy and corruption.

"Change" indeed. "

father bob wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:20 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 1:29 PM:
It was a typical ACORN lawsuit to get banks to hand out bad loans.""""



Obama filed suit against Citibank because they were not following fannie mae and freddie mack guidelines. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:32 PM:

" House Democrat Fascists just love the secret ballot...for themselves.

But..... not so much in closing the ballots on politically tough votes within their caucuses while leaving employees open to harassment and intimidation in the workplace on organizing votes.

Democrats went to the secret ballot for obvious reasons in both the Waxman/Dingell chairmanship election and the resolution of Joe Liebermans chair on Homeland Security in the Senate. They didnt want to be held personally and individually responsible for their positions, more so in the latter case than the former.

The secret ballot election is a cornerstone of our American democracy, Mr. Boehner, Ohio Republican, said Thursday. If it is good enough for House Democrats to rely on during todays high-stakes vote, shouldnt it be good enough for millions of American workers across America who value their workplace privacy?

More of those Fascist tactics by the Fascist House Democrats.

More Democrat Neo-Fascist Hope and Change we can all believe in. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:39 PM:

" (Obama filed suit against Citibank because they were not following fannie mae and freddie mack guidelines.)

What guidelines? The guidelines that gave 15 million bad loans to illegal immigrants that were never required to produce a Social Security number, or provide a verifiable source of income? The guidelines that allowed these Democrat institutions to pull off their very own little hedge-fund scam using tax payers money and shady accounting practices? The same guidelines that caused these corrupt Democrat housing institutions to bring down the entire world market?

Those guidelines, Father Bob? "

father bob wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:05 PM:

" BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:39 PM:
"Those guidelines, Father Bob? "


well...Blue...er....Doh....er....Bryant
er...stanley....whoever your bi-polar two cell brain has you playing today,

just keep spinning....you'll soon screw yourself into the ground like a corkscrew. "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:14 PM:

" What "interrogators" are those, blue cur? Oh, I see. You mean the American torturers. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:16 PM:

" (well...Blue...er....Doh....er....Bryant
er...stanley....whoever your bi-polar two cell brain has you playing today,

just keep spinning....you'll soon screw yourself into the ground like a corkscrew.)

I don't know what to make of you Father Bob. This is the second time in less than a week that you attempt to construct a rebuttal based on some sort of nonsensical juvenile statement.

I guess you're the only tool left in the Far-Left "think-tank" when all the other empty-heads have fallen flat.

So they bring out the ultimate empty-head. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:29 PM:

" Another Obama Campaign myth bites the dust:

REALITY CHECK: Obama Received About the Same Percentage from Small Donors in 2008 as Bush in 2004

Obama also raised 80% more from large donors than small, outstripping all rivals and predecessors

It turns out that Barack Obamas donors may not have been quite as different as we had thought. Throughout the election season, this organization and others have been reporting that Obama received about half of his discrete contributions in amounts of $200 or less. The Campaign Finance Institute (CFI) noted in past releases that donations are not the same as donors, since many people give more than once. After a more thorough analysis of data from the Federal Election Commission (FEC), it has become clear that repeaters and large donors were even more important for Obama than we or other analysts had fully appreciated.

The myth is that money from small donors dominated Barack Obamas finances, said CFIs executive director Michael J. Malbin. The reality of Obamas fundraising was impressive, but the reality does not match the myth.

Although an unusually high percentage (49%) of Obamas funds came in discrete contributions of $200 or less (see Table 3), only 26% of his money through August 31 (and 24% of his funds through October 15, according to the most recent FEC reports) came from donors whose total contributions aggregated to $200 or less. Obamas 26% compares to 25% for George W. Bush in 2004, 20% for John Kerry in 2004, 21% for John McCain in 2008, 13% for Hillary Clinton in 2008, and 38% for Howard Dean in 2004.

And lets not forget that the CFI could only aggregate those donations above $200. The Obama campaign refused to release donor information for amounts below that threshold (the McCain campaign released the data on all contributions). Given the rate of repetition among the $201+ donations, its not unreasonable to assume that many of the smaller donors gave on more than one occasion as well, and could well have totaled much more on an individual basis than Obama credited.

Obama didnt win by motivating small donors. He won by collecting much more from the entire range of donors, and his reliance as a percentage on larger donors differed little from other presidential candidates. In fact, as Malbin points out, because of the difference in scale, Obama raised far more from larger donors than anyone else in history.

Will the media correct the narrative, now that the election is over and the data is available?

Somehow I doubt it. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 24, 2008 4:41 PM:

" (What "interrogators" are those, blue cur? Oh, I see. You mean the American torturers)

Why won't your President Obama prosecute these "torturers", Question?

Why won't he even bother to investigate them?

What's stopping him, Question? "

injustice85 wrote on Nov 24, 2008 5:30 PM:

" old Georgie Bush fooled us, it was his lack of an I.Q. that hurt us the worst, either way there is usually complaining after any election, i'm just going to watch and wait, Obama has a minor in economics and I'll trust that that part of his education will serve him as well as the rest has "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 24, 2008 5:49 PM:

" Wow, 15 post so far today from our buddy Doh. I haven't seen him this worked us since he was trying to sell us on Bush's war. Time for some Prozac for our little friend? LOL! "

The Question wrote on Nov 24, 2008 6:38 PM:

" Here's what economist Daniel Altman said in February 2002:
"When companies that rack up huge hidden debts and traders who illicitly amass mountains of risk are exposed, Wall Street's big players rush to cut their losses and collect on their debts. If that kind of rush were ever to result in a shortage of cash, it would paralyze the financial system. Stock markets would tumble and banks would close, putting the savings of households at risk."
And here's what Warren Buffet said in March 2003:
"[Derivatives are] financial weapons of mass destruction... Derivatives generate reported earnings that are often wildly overstated and based on estimates whose inaccuracy may not be exposed for many years."
Regulators would have had plenty of warning to head off the global financial meltdown, but the deregulation-crazy GOP greed-heads in the corrupt Bush administration wouldn't have it. There was too much loot to be had from Wall Street con games, so they let the crooks play and the economy crash. And now they're busy giving whatever's left over to the Republican con artist banksters who caused all this. "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 25, 2008 8:58 AM:

" And here's what the Washington Post said last September:

Mr. Obama said yesterday. "Phil Gramm, one of the architects of the deregulation in Washington that led directly to this mess on Wall Street, is also the architect of John McCain's economic plan."

Would it be churlish to point out that another author of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley law is former congressman Jim Leach, a founder of Republicans for Obama?

Or that Obama advisers Lawrence H. Summers and Robert E. Rubin supported the repeal --

which was signed by President Bill Clinton?


But to listen to the mindless Obama-drones in here; facts be d*mned. Instead, they're still repeating the empty-minded Obama-rhetoric put to script by David Axelrod as a syrupy glaze-over in the guise of "Change".

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler "

BlueDogDemocrat wrote on Nov 25, 2008 9:42 AM:

" And THIS is what Reuters said today:

"WASHINGTON, Nov 25 (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve, in another massive life-support intervention for the U.S. financial system, on Tuesday announced a $600 billion program to buy mortgage-related debt and securities and a $200 billion facility to buy consumer debt securities,

The U.S. central bank said it would buy up to $100 billion in debt issued by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banks, the government-sponsored mortgage finance enterprises.

The Fed also said it would buy up to $500 billion in mortgage-backed securities backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Ginnie Mae."


Tell me Question, why did your corrupt Democrats resist Republican attempts to REGULATE these corrupt Democrat-Controlled enterprises? "

injustice85 wrote on Nov 25, 2008 3:29 PM:

" maybe if money wasn't everything to these politicians they would have handled ours better "

father bob wrote on Nov 26, 2008 9:49 AM:

" interesting.....the infatuation has gone from yellowcake to fannie mae and freddie mac.

he'll be busy with this for months....

pass the popcorn. "

 


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