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Friday, November 7, 2008 10:17 PM CST
LETTER: Country was ambushed in recent campaign

By JERRY CIZEK, Greenup

Ambushed, that's the only way to describe what has just happened to this country.

The Democrats sat on their hands for at least 4 or 5 years, doing absolutely nothing, and hoping the Republican party would self-destruct, which they did.

Barack Obama did not introduce any major bills to benefit us in the last few years, either in Illinois or on the national level.

Along with this, Christopher Dodd, Shumer, and others headed the oversight committees that should have had a handle on what was going on with our financial institutions.

This, with Acorn, who pressured lending institutions to make loans to people that could ill-afford to buy high priced homes, that in turn helped cause the collapse of our economy.

But they saw they could blame everything on the George Bush administration, and that is exactly what they did.

It's pure and simple. They sold out the country for their own political gain.

Add to the above, why hasn't anyone mentioned that the energy fiasco, with gasoline and diesel fuel at $4 a gallon, which had a big negative effect on travel, the tourism industry, food prices, agricultural commodities, etc?

This was due to the Democrats and a few liberal Republicans not allowing drilling in the fertile oil fields, environmental suppression for development of clean fossil fuels, no new nuclear power plants, no new refineries.

Again, thank you Democrat leaders for ambushing America.

Slick talking got you into power, so now let's see what you can do with the MESS you created.

All of the above enabled the Democrats to veer public opinion and concerns away from the very successful war with Iraq, National Security and other issues that were important.

And John McCain and his advisers, like George Bush, took the "high road" and Obama took the low road.

He lied to the Republicans and changed his position on Public Financing, which affected the waning days of McCain's campaign tremendously.

President-elect Barack Obama will have to earn the respect of a lot of citizens in the U.S.and many of our allies.

As for me, I am not willing to accept him, and character does matter.

Bill Clinton set the "bar" or standards for character, and Barack Obama carries on the tradition, with relationships and friends like William Ayers, Tony Rezko, and others.

When the "waffling" begins, don't blame me.

JERRY CIZEK

Greenup

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injustice85 wrote on Nov 7, 2008 11:02 PM:

" just sit back and watch jerry "

medic57 wrote on Nov 8, 2008 4:42 AM:

" Wouldn't have mattered, whatever bills the congress would have passed would have vetoed by Bush. "

Locke wrote on Nov 8, 2008 5:27 AM:

" Boo-hoo. It's all the Democrats' fault, McCain took the high road, Iraq is a success, etc. If you don't like our democracy, feel free to leave. Even if you do like our democracy, you can still leave. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:58 AM:

" Locke wrote...

"If you don't like our democracy, feel free to leave. Even if you do like our democracy, you can still leave. "

No... we're not going to leave...were not liberal pansies like Babs Streisand and all the other liberal nut jobs that threatened to leave when GWB got elected....were going to stay and fight.

...and just to menace you cool-aid drinkers...

Shoot...I may just go out today and buy an American flag, and WALK ALL OVER IT like Obama's neighbor/buddy and liberal icon and terrorist, William Ayers.

Now what did Ayers get acquitted of....? "

shumphreys wrote on Nov 8, 2008 7:59 AM:

" "McCain and his advisors, like George Bush, took the high road". You have got to be kidding. Or do you really not have any sense of right/wrong, moral/immoral, high or low? "

The Question wrote on Nov 8, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Go ahead. Show the world once again what childish, nasty sore losers you Republicans are. Your foolishness is are laughable. "

Music-Man wrote on Nov 8, 2008 8:45 AM:

" Hmmm, and here I thought all the country's problems were the fault of the millions of gay and lesbian Americans. Who knew? Poor, poor Jerry, my liberal bleeding heart really goes out to you and the rest of the losers. The death-grip you and the rest of your KLAN have had on our country's throat has finally been released. The white sheets have been lifted to reveal your true colors - claiming to love America, but clearly hating Americans. And the landslide loss was the result, plus adding salt to your wounds was that the fine folks in Coles county even had the nerve to prefer 'that one'. So what's a 'good-ole-boy' to do, jerry? (sniff, sniff). I feel for you, I really do. (For the less than educated among you reading this, the above commment is dripping in sarcasm). "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 8, 2008 9:04 AM:

" Bush didn't implement his veto power until the Dems took over the congress, Jerry. "

julio wrote on Nov 8, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Do you believe the country has prospered under Bush? Give Obama a chance.

There's far too much bitter anger and ignorant rhetoric comming from the far right. Don't insult America with your lies.

For the best example of an "election ambush" study what happend in Florida in 2000. Cheating to win an election is something that shook the foundation of our country. "

das wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:26 AM:

" So, you're saying the millions more people who voted for Obama ambushed this country? Hmm... isn't democracy wonderful? It's the who chose the leader (usually). Learn the respect of world leaders? Like who? Have you not seen the out poor of support for Obama ALL across the world? Just accept that McCain lost fair and square, he himself did in a very good speech, now it's time for you to move on and give President Obama a chance. "

liveandletlive wrote on Nov 8, 2008 10:58 AM:

" What's done is done. What will happen to our country if people like yourself flat out refuse to support our new president? I guess my suggestion to you is MOVE TO CANADA!! "

red,white,blue wrote on Nov 8, 2008 11:15 AM:

" Yeah, Jerry, we all know how Bush wielded that veto pen all over the place, didn't he?

Don't expect any of the dims on these blogs to admit that almost everything you have stated is true. We got Barack Obama largely because of media bias and Bush hatred. The media was not willing to delve into his past (or like they did Palin and JOe the plumber) and associations like they should have because they did not want to knock him off the pedestal they had placed him on. And the Bush hatred is all out of proportion to the fact that our current president is the reason we have been kept safe since 9/11.

I'm willing to give him a chance because, quite frankly, my family's safety and prosperity depends on how well he can control the likes of Pelosi and Reid. I am not hopeful, however, with the direction this country is going. "

what? wrote on Nov 8, 2008 1:35 PM:

" Reality is such a bother. Ignorace is bliss,right Jer? "

1 cav wrote on Nov 8, 2008 1:35 PM:

" Thank you for your good letter Mr.Cizek.
It seems are not born in American President elect has picked a flock of his donors for high position all ready.
As you see you have riled up the anti-America crowd on this blog,but they are always that way. "

sapient wrote on Nov 8, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Just think. As put so elequently by Peggy the Moocher, "I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage. You know. If I help Obama, he's gonna help me." "

redwhiteblue wrote on Nov 8, 2008 2:01 PM:

red,white,blue wrote on Nov 8, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Julio, there has been study after study about what happened in Florida, EVERY SINGLE ONE found that Bush won. Talk about people not getting over things. Oddly enough, voter fraud is largely the domain of Democrats. Witness the people who have been charged with same....all Dems.

Music-man (sad you use the name of one of my favorite movies), get over the race card, will you? It's old, cheap and it's a lie. "

cd wrote on Nov 8, 2008 2:30 PM:

" The Question wrote on Nov 8, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Go ahead. Show the world once again what childish, nasty sore losers you Republicans are. Your foolishness is are laughable. "
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The Dumacrats set such a great example to follow, too! They've been crying and whinning the last eight years. In spite of losing, they've done everything under the sun to wreck any efforts of GWB and the Republicans efforts to lead this country in a positive manner. The Dumacrats have been quite successful in destroying the USA while using every possible mis-direction tactic to blame the Republicans for their own Dumacrat temper tantrums.

Convincing the Democrats of the truth is impossible. They wouldn't recognize it even if it smacked them right between their eyes. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 8, 2008 2:38 PM:

" Sorry Jerry, but the reason no new refineries have been built in 30 years is because the oil industry has chosen not to build them. It's all about return on investment. It takes 10 years to get one up and running and the oil companies want their profit now, not 10 years from now. But I guess the Dems makes a good target for people like Jerry to blame. Repeating the lie that it's the Dems and the environmentalist's fault won't cut it. As usual, Jerry writes another one of his uninformed letters based on Republican talking points that won't hold water when scrutinized. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 8, 2008 2:45 PM:

" We got Barack Obama largely because of media bias and Bush hatred.

-----------------

Once again you've gotten it all wrong.

We got Obama because America is ready for a change from the last eight years of inept leadership provided by the Republican party.

Keep on defending Bush and Cheney and their track record, it makes you all of you right wingers look so intelligent. LOL! "

Momma Luda wrote on Nov 8, 2008 4:34 PM:

" To Jerry - It's letters and opinoins like yours that make me so thankful we as a nation that finally said enough is enough and elected someone like Obama. Obivously you must be 'perfect' - how else could you be in a position to judge others as you do. How terribly lonely it must be. I do pitty you and others that appear to be so narrow minded and full of hate.
I am sure this president will make some mistakes - they all have - we all do.
As for the gas prices - who are you blaming there? I see you don't mention President Bush's name. I bet he profitted much more than Obama by the $4.00 a gallon gas prices.
Jerry, I am going to read your letter to my children as an example of a person with very poor character. "

Sunbeam wrote on Nov 8, 2008 5:39 PM:

" well said.
My only difference is that as a Christian and an American I must accept him as my President, pray for him, and, yes, character DOES matter. "

Locke wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:19 PM:

" Seriously, if you can't handle the results of our election... Canada is that way. We don't need you or your distorted perception of reality. Really, we don't need it. "

Dave wrote on Nov 8, 2008 7:11 PM:

" WOW!! Jerry, you didn't just drink the kool-aid you took a bath in it. Can you or ANYONE else with a straight face (or maybe a hand on the Bible) that you BELIEVE ANY of what you wrote??? The Uniter after 9/11 had 95% of Americans (Rep AND Dems) eating out of his hand. We would have followed him ANYWHERE to get Bin Laden. (You do remember Bin Laden don't you??) However instead of storming into Afganistan after Bin Laden, the Divider decides to take out Sadam!!!! THEN he lost the will of majority of Americans. THAT was the start of the fall of his Presidency. Add in Katrina, de-regulation another stolen election and the American people were fed up with his "You're either with us or against us" philosophy. If you honestly believe the Democrats had ANY CONTROL even after 2006 when they had the majority in Congress you have been asleep TOO LONG!! From the day the Dems took the majority the Republicans threw up a RECORD number of filibusters so basicly the government came to a halt. The Republicans were hoping in doing so THEY would be able to win the majority back this year. Thankfully the majority of Americans were listening and watching as the Republicans kept shooting themselves in the foot. The election is behind us, you can either help gain the United States trust and stature back in the world, help our country dig out of this record ecomonic disater or you can drag your feet kicking and screaming for the next 4 years. IT'S UP TO YOU!! "

emme_75 wrote on Nov 9, 2008 9:41 AM:

" So many of you keeping mentioning the option of "moving somewhere else" if you don't like the way America is run. If this is a viable option for anyone with concerns/complaints, then what are all of you bleeding hearts still doing here? Haven't you spent the last 8 years whining about the state of things? Maybe you should have bought your own plane ticket years ago... "

The Question wrote on Nov 9, 2008 10:00 AM:

" As a friend of mine reminded me, thanks to President Obama, the troops will be coming home from Iraq. Deployments to Afghanistan will be increased, as necessary, so the U.S. can confront its real dangers, and not just make some idiot's "daddy" look impotent.
Political cronies in positions of power and responsibility will be replaced by men and women of intellect, wisdom and adult responsibility. The era of rampant incompetence and embarrassment will be soon over.
We're about to restore the framers' wisdom by shoring up the bulwark of liberty, the U.S. Constitution. It's just an "(expletive deleted) piece of paper" to Bush, the trashy Texas moron. But it's something else to the people who supported Obama, and to the professor of constitutional law who will now occupy the Oval Office.
In short, the world will be a better place, but not because of you right wingers. It will be in spite of you. Liberals and rational centrists are responsible, and we will proudly accept all responsibility and blame from the ranting right.
Welcome to a better place, right wingers. No gratitude is necessary. We know you arent big enough people to express it, anyway. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 9, 2008 10:09 AM:

" When the "waffling" begins, don't blame me.

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No Jerry, you're just a bitter little man man from from Podunkville, and I'm betting no one will blame you for anything, so you can go crawl off into your own little world, where you can pretend everything has been wonderful for the last 8 years, and Obama stole the election from McCain.

But thanks for the laughs. "

HeinekenMan wrote on Nov 9, 2008 10:28 AM:

" Cry me a river, Jerry. Then wake up and take a look at reality. With Clinton in office, the economy was strong, the budgets were balanced, the world at relative peace. With Bush in office, we launched two wars in three years, borrowed trillions from overseas to pay for a deficit budget, neglected the economy, wrote environmental policy for the polluters instead of the citizens and the list goes on and on. In fact, George W. Bush did nothing during his EIGHT years in office except to give tax cuts to wealthy Americans while the rest of us lost our jobs and houses.

But here's a tissue. Cry like a baby. "

Jason wrote on Nov 9, 2008 7:01 PM:

" red, white, blue....2 things...
1. I'm glad Bush has "kept us safe" SINCE 9/11, its just too bad he couldnt keep us safe FROM 9/11. I guess being ignorant and oblivious of the threat of AlQueda after completing 20% of your first term is excuseable!

2. Maybe you should get your facts straight about Florida in 2000. The actual truth is that when a full recount of the full state was conducted, Gore DID WIN. Turns out the democrats only error was not requesting a full recount from the beginning...that and not having the Supreme Court in their back pocket!

And to Jerry...you are an idiot if you think everything is because of the democrats! They have had virtually no power since Clinton left the White House. Having a slim majority in the Congress isnt enough to get anything past Bush. And for the record, Bush vetoed nothing prior to 2007! He let the Republican Congress run wild for 6 years! Wake up and smell what the Right is shoveling! "

what wrote on Nov 9, 2008 7:26 PM:

" As one of his final shots Bush intends to ignore a congressional act banning uranium mining near the Grand Canyon, thus very probably poisoning the Colorado River. He also intends to change the rules on mountaintop mining to allow mining companies to dump the removed earth into the streams and valleys below. Total destruction in the name of the almighty dollar. And some seem to think this is just what we need and more of it. Simply amazing. "

red,white,blue wrote on Nov 9, 2008 10:50 PM:

" Jason, I'm not sure where you got your so-called 'facts' although I suspect I know but they are so woefully ignorant it's not even funny. Sad, but not funny. "

exbricklayer wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:55 AM:

" The sign should read, "Welcome to Mattoon, home of the biggest bunch of whiners the internet has ever seen." "

Becky wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:53 AM:

" Ambushed??? AMBUSHED??? Yes I am- bushed....of bush and his neocon, war mongering, lying , torturing, fiscal wrecking, constitution gutting, cronied administration, foolish, vulturelike, hateful, vengeful, haliburton gift giving, hating the poor, sick and less fortunate administration.

That is MY definition of am-Bushed!

You all need to turn off Faux Noise and go fishing or something. Maybe you should read/watch "The Fog of War" to understand how close we are to all out NUCLEAR WAR because of the neocons needing to prove whose cahones are bigger. Relax, have a cup of tea and watch America grow, become respected and everything calm down. Why would you NOT WANT THAT??? "

Becky wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:55 AM:

" . "We got Barack Obama largely because of media bias"

NO, we got Obama because the Republicans ran this country and all it stands for into the ground! "

The Truth wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:55 AM:

" So which of you claims that God is on your side? Both sides, I wager. Just like people foolishly claim that "God is with OUR country" or "God bless MY country" etc. etc. etc.

God is not with any of you people; God is not blessing the efforts of this country to murder people of other countries, He is not with other countries in the murder of our citizens either.

You people need to wake up and realize that God and his Son are POLITICALLY NEUTRAL. Your claims and blasphemy about "God bless America" are not only LIES, they are blasphemy.

There is a sign on the way into Charleston that some fool always uses to promote his idea of religion. One recently asked "Who would Jesus vote for?" A more accurate statement would be, "Would Jesus vote?" NO, he would not. Neither would his first century Christian followers.

People who vote are not true Christians and will suffer the consequences at God's appointed time.

Have fun discussing this subject! I'm sure the same people who don't have anything better to do with their lives will be commenting endlessly! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:08 AM:

" You're right on target with that last remark, what.

Hopefully, Obama will add that one to the list of things needing to be reversed.

Bush seems hell bent at slapping all Americans in the face on the way out. As I'm sure you have noticed, he also wants to weaken the EPA, on his way out too.

Like all true slash, burn and pollute Republicans, he has always shown his disdain for our natural resources as well as one the agencies created to protect them. "

Becky wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:18 AM:

" "Oddly enough, voter fraud is largely the domain of Democrats"

Please state your sources!!! or check THESE out for real FACTS!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d98t2c2XZE or this clip of a computer programmer who as asked to rig voter machines in Florida by REPUBLICANS

In 2004 computer programmer, Clint Curtis, testified before the US House Judiciary Committee that Tom Feeney (R-Fl) hired his company to rig the Florida Election
http://thinkorthwim.com/2006/08/25/rigged-voting-machines-in-florida-clint-curtis-vs-tom-feeney/ "

father bob wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 AM:

" i saw a picture of a polar bear wearing a "save palin" t-shirt....interesting "

father bob wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Feds Refuse To Disclose $2Trillion Of Emergency Loans

Remember back in September, when Paulson and Bernanke promised to comply with Congress for transparency in the $700 billion dollar bailout - I guess the honeymoon is over and we are back to the secrecy agenda. Here we are several months later, the American citizens have no idea where any of our money is being spent. Did I mention that the Feds also lent more than what was approved by Congress, of course, those individual programs dont require their approval. ...."The Zoo" "

father bob wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:25 AM:

" Blackwater Worldwide could be fined millions of dollars for shipping weapons to police training facilities in Iraq and Jordan without proper licensing. Also, a grand jury in Washington is to decide the fate of individual Blackwater guards involved in a shooting incident in Baghdad last year - they could be indicted.

One official said 900 weapons were shipped improperly, though another said the figure is lower. Each weapon shipped could constitute a separate violation and carry a hefty fine. Sources said the foul-up may have been unintentional but left the company unable to properly account for the weapons.

They didnt do the original paperwork, therefore they dont know where the guns are, said one source. A State Department spokeswoman declined to comment. "

Rotty wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:30 AM:

" LETTER: Country was ambushed in recent campaign

.......

If it was by a bunch of scantily clad amazon women, advancing towards a McDonald's ball pit, I'm there dude!
LOL!

Otherwise, it's of no importance to me. "

Becky wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:57 AM:

" . "The media was not willing to delve into his past"

What, delving into his birth announcements wasn't enough in his past? Do you want details of conception or what? Sheeshe :( "

Matt Toon wrote on Nov 10, 2008 12:11 PM:

" In a recent blog post, "red white and blue" complained that the votes of college students unfairly affect local election results. I would like to point out that the recent victory of State's Atty. Steve Ferguson was not as a result of the vote of college students. If ALL of the votes for Ferguson in Charleston precincts 15, 16 and 17 (student precincts) had gone instead to the Republican candidate for state's attorney, Ferguson would still have been elected countywide by a margin of several hundred votes.
So let's not overstate the impact of the student vote. "

The Question wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:25 PM:

" As Steven Weber observed, Obama will automatically be a good president not because he's the first black man to be elected or because he's a Democrat but because he is an actual, evolved, progressive, intelligent American. "

The Question wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:32 PM:

" You know, if Obama is this big "mystery," as Fox News and its ovine audience claim, why doesn't Fox News demand that some news channel with reporters and everything investigate him and solve that "mystery?" Does anybody at Fox News have any connection with some news operation?
Anyone? Anyone? "

what wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:30 PM:

" The Bush republicans not only rigged an election or two, the've rigged a large part of our government to the benefit of their cronies and pals. They make Ken Lay look like an amateur. Social Security was to be the apple in the pigs mouth, just imagine if they'd gotten their hands on that when they wanted it. Where would we be then? "

red,white,blue wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:59 PM:

" One word: ACORN. "

red,white,blue wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:34 PM:

" another word: Chicago where even the dead vote. As long as they're Democrats, that is. "

father bob wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:30 PM:

" red,white,blue wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:34 PM:
" another word: Chicago where even the dead vote. As long as they're Democrats, that is. """"
__________
still feeling the sting of your world falling apart? suck it up and suffer...8 years will go by much slower than you think. "

father bob wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:46 PM:

" red,white,blue.....rotgut beer...that stuff was nasty. "

The Question wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:10 PM:

" "Suck it up and suffer...8 years will go by much slower than you think."
---
LOL, FB. We can certainly testify to that. "

The Question wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:39 PM:

" The economic collapse, the $700 billion free market bailout, a Red Sea of federal debt, no-bid privatization rip-offs, bankruptcy reform for the poor (but not for corporations), electrocuted troops, kidnapping, torture, unarmored troops, crony capitalism, tax cuts for the richest one percent, Blackwater slaughter on the streets, welfare reform for the poor (but not for corporations), billions in cash vanish in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, Katrina, filthy veterans hospitals, war crimes, jobs shipped overseas, disregard for international law and the Geneva Conventions, an American police state, theft and fraud charges for the poor (but not for corporations), constant interference in the internal affairs of other nations, illegal wars based on lies and deception, spying on Americans, the assault on habeas corpus and the separation of powers.
Put them all together, they spell the Bush legacy. Gee thanks, Republicans. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:05 PM:

" To the Question who wrote
"The economic collapse, the $700 billion free market bailout...'and other associated complete utter non-sense that people sadly believe'"

I wonder...

Now that "the messiah's" soon to be anointed to office....

1) Are our troops still "baby killers" "air raiding villages" and indiscriminately "killing civilians" like we've heard over the past 5 years or has that all changed now that "Obama's" "the one" ?

2) Where are all those court cases concerning the taking away of our civil liberties and "suspending" habeus corpus (which never applied to non-citizen's outside the US) over the Patriot Act? Is the Patriot Act still taking away our personal freedom's or has that changed too now/will change since "the messiah" will be anointed in January?

3) Since we've heard all about the abuses by civilian contractors like Blackwater and Haliburton in Iraq, contractors that do something like 80% of the logistics and support work for our troops in theater, do you think "the messiah" should get rid of all those contractors January 21? Or are they all "choir boys" now since "the messiah" will take over? You do want to cut off all those supposed "Cheney" profits off of Haliburton don't you? "

tt wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:16 AM:

" Well you sound very much like a Rush Limbaugh radio program. So I guess what you are saying is Obama has no respect from Americans are you kidding it was the Americans that overwhelmingly put him in office But them again you have been listing to the radio and Fox News for all your info you better change the station and wake up a new day has come for you "

Early Bird wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:25 AM:

" 3) Since we've heard all about the abuses by civilian contractors like Blackwater and Haliburton in Iraq, contractors that do something like 80% of the logistics and support work for our troops in theater, do you think "the messiah" should get rid of all those contractors January 21? Or are they all "choir boys" now since "the messiah" will take over? You do want to cut off all those supposed "Cheney" profits off of Haliburton don't you?

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''

The two mentioned contractors should be investigated and any of their employees found guilty of breaking the law should go to jail. You seem to want to give them a pass.

And as for Cheney's "profits" which would be his stock options, he has promised to donate those to charity. Funny that was about 7 or 8 years ago.

I wonder if one of his grand kids is named Charity?

I have to say NeoCon Academician, that you are starting to sound like a spoiled little kid who didn't get his way. I think you must be setting a new record for sour grapes on this site. Do you always act like this when you lose?

Geesh, what a baby! "

The Question wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:21 AM:

" Who is this "messiah" you are worshipping there, Neo? I'm not religious myself. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:34 AM:

" Obama brings a healing and uplifting spiritual quality to our politics at the very time when our worst enemy is fear. For eight years we've been ruled by a stunted fear-filled mediocrity of a little liar who has expanded his power on the basis of creating fear in others. Fearless Obama is the cure. He speaks a litany of hope rather than a litany of terror.

Frank Schaeffer-

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I prefer this view of hope and optimism over Neo's doom and gloom predictions. "

Becky wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:39 AM:

" "still feeling the sting of your world falling apart? suck it up and suffer...8 years will go by much slower than you think"

Wow, fb, you sure said a mouthful there ;) "

Becky wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:43 AM:

" Hey, r,w,b. Did you watch the first video that was in my post about Republican vote tampering? No? Then watch it and then tell me how that video was any different than the ACORN scandal. Then watch the second one. After that, answer me how it's only the Democrats involved in vote tampering/rigging. Seriously. And yet, no one is prosecuted....again. What happened to my beloved America where we abide by the rule of law? "

Becky wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:52 AM:

" Neocon, I'm sorry it seems that I keep bashing you, but about your post regarding private contractors in Iraq, I have spoken with many Iraq vets and they are pretty much livid about Blackwater mercenaries getting paid $100,000 to be in Iraq to do the jobs that they can do, for dollars a day. Next, these same vets have complained that they sit around bored to death with nothing to do because Halliburton is doing the cooking, maintenance, laundry and the like and our solders are very capable of doing that themselves too. Once again, these contractors are getting paid a pretty penny to be there. Our solders get paid very little to be bullet and bomb targets for these private contractors to rake in millions. Our soldiers don't like them there. They feel that the billions spend on private contractors should be better spent on the military itself providing better equipment, machines, medical care, GI Bill benefits and va benefits. And, I think they are right. "

medic wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:46 AM:

" The Dems sold out our country for their political gains??? Wow. Sounds alot like Bush selling our soldiers and the entire country for oil! Get over yourself. Hell Obamas not even in office yet. "

The Question wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:48 PM:

" I have come to the reluctant conclusion that many Americans long to embrace fascism. â€¨
Ugly and small-minded, with a violent distaste for anyone they perceive as different, they like the idea of people being kidnapped by the government and locked in secret prisons where they can be tortured and murdered in complete legal darkness.
They like the idea of private mercenary companies mowing down the unarmed citizenry in countries their nation has invaded and occupied. â€¨They want the government to spy on all Americans at all times.
They loudly condemn any poor person who steals something, but fashion strange, tortured defenses for corporate CEOs who rob billions from the public. â€¨Anti-individualist to the bone, they demand that everyone else grovel before their deities and their flags.â€¨
Much of their conversation consists of nothing more than a tedious recitation of their imagined grievances against women, against gay people, against people who have other religious convictions, against black or brown or yellow people. â€¨
They enjoy listening to ranting idiots on the radio and television, and think those loudmouth dropouts are "intellectuals." They have a long list of people they want to execute, and they delight in telling you how much they would enjoy seeing that done.
For all the lip service they may pay the Constitution from time to time, in fact they despise it. â€¨
They don't like to call themselves "fascists," of course, but that"s just a PR ploy. What they like, very much, is being fascists.
Obama's election gives me the first, thin ray of hope I've had in such a long time that I'm having a hard time accepting it. "

jason wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:28 PM:

" r,w,b...please read the link below. It discusses how Gore, not Bush wins Florida if the "overvotes are counted. Overvotes were ballots where a voter marks the candidate of their choice but then also "wrote in" the name of the same candidate to emphasize the point. These votes marked Gore and written Gore, and likewise for Bush were never counted even though the voter intent was 100% clear. When counted, these votes gave Gore the State of Florida. I know you didnt hear it on FoxNews so it must be false, but try to have some other sources on occasion!

http://www.sptimes.com/News/111201/Lostvotes/Without_overvotes_Gor.shtml "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 11, 2008 6:40 PM:

" Early Bird wrote

"The two mentioned contractors should be investigated and any of their employees found guilty of breaking the law should go to jail. You seem to want to give them a pass.
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The point is that there has been/are somewhere around 130,000 civilian contractors in Iraq supporting our troops. The war could not be prosecuted without the contractors.

Have there been some excesses,...yes... BUT NOT DISPROPORTIONAL to occurrences found OUTSIDE of a war zone. The "OBJECTIVE" media in this country, because it overwhelmingly leans LEFT, sensationalizes these events, just like it always does to influence the public toward its persuasions (read up on "yellow journalism" and other journalism scandals in the US) and YOU BOZOS on the left have sucked it all and regurgitated here over the past 8 years.

Shoot...half the country doesn't know where Iraq is on a map but because some pretty face on the idiot box reports it....well you know the rest....you believe everything they tell you.

You all are now going to get yours for all the garbage you all spewed out AD NAUSEUM to get your liberal messiah back into the Whitehouse.

I find it funny you all moan about Fox News (owned by a capitalist Aussie) yet you all take the other news, outlets especially CNBC, MSNBC, and NBC owned by General Electric, as the PARAGONS OF TRUTH for the country.
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And as for Cheney's "profits" which would be his stock options, he has promised to donate those to charity. Funny that was about 7 or 8 years ago.
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Oh... but we sure've had to hear about it, again, ad nauseum, over the past 8 years haven't we. Some one brought it up again on another post just recently...
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I have to say NeoCon Academician, that you are starting to sound like a spoiled little kid who didn't get his way. I think you must be setting a new record for sour grapes on this site. Do you always act like this when you lose?

Geesh, what a baby! "
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Oh...and we sure got to hear from YOU BOZOS on the left about how the election was stolen back in 2000 and 2004. Sorry that the electoral college was in the way and you all couldn't get what you wanted then... Al Bore in the Whitehouse. Boy... I sure do recall a lot of wailing then from you lefties. But I guess you don't recall that, hum?
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So, if it sounds like sour grapes, so be it. As for "Baby"...yeah...whatever.

With all due respect, IF I AM A BABY you either are a MINDLESS LAP DOG or a HYPOCRITE. Which is it? You make the call. "

Just a Soldier wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:26 PM:

" tt wrote: "it was the Americans that overwhelmingly put him[Obama]in office"

Now, I don't know that 52% to 46% is overwhelming, but let us assume it is. Question goes on to say, in light of this "overwhelming" election of Obama that, "I have come to the reluctant conclusion that many Americans long to embrace fascism." I am so glad to hear you say that. With Obama saying he wants to "spread the wealth around" and his VP explaining it is the "patriotic duty" of Americans with means to pay more taxes in order for that money to be distributed to those with less, I agree that Americans have embraced facism, which Meriam-Webster defines as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation [spreading the wealth around], and forcible suppression of opposition[fairness doctrine]." Now you can squirm and wriggle all you want, but throwing around words like facism to describe your opposition when your side is overtly displaying fascist qualities is kind of a strange tactict. I know how you NBC (National Barack Channel) worshipers love to ignore your facts, but ignoring something doesn't make it untrue.

Speaking of the National Barack Channel, I woke up this morning to see them clearing the air on all of the negative stories they ran on Palin during the election. I thought it was awfully nice of them to reveal it was all a bunch of crap now that the election is over.

Happy Veterans Day "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:29 PM:

" becky wrote....

" Neocon, I'm sorry it seems that I keep bashing you...."

Becky...you are not bashing me...you are asking an intelligent question. I respect that.
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After Gulf War 1, GHW Bush down sized the military. Afterward, with the USSR gone, it was thought that we didn't need a big military.

So as defense outlays under Clinton decreased, it was thought that for-profit contractors like with Haliburton, Blackwater, Kellog Brown & and Root, Dyncorp, and Knoll-Crucible, etc. could be used to fill the gap.

Clinton used contractors in Bosnia/Balkans in the '90's and there were "issues" then with them. Wonder why nothing was brought up then...oh silly me....duh...Clinton was in the Whitehouse! Where was the media?

The fact of the matter is...contractors are more productive, efficient, and cost effective than our bureaucratic military. William Perry and Don Rumsfeld knew this and that's why they used/use them. So if these contractors are getting paid $100K then there a "steal". They generally get paid a straight fee with no benefits, so in reality it's comparable to US military personnel wages.

Anybody that's been remotely around the services knows that the military's not designed to be productive and efficient. The term "hurry up and wait" generally applies.

The advantage with the US using these contractors is that you can fire them if they don't perform, there cost effective, and and they are operationally more effective than troops.

The disadvantage is oversight. There in a war zone but not necessarily subject to US martial law...nor are they necessarily subject to the sovereign country's laws (like in Iraq or Afghanistan).

So to make a long story short...tell your congressmen to tell "the messiah" to increase the size of the military if you don't like the government/military using contractors.

With "the messiah" soon surrendering in Iraq and Afghanistan...don't hold your breath. "

Dally wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:33 PM:

" HYPOCRITE "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:36 PM:

" Have you considered therapy, Neo? LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:21 PM:

" What happened to that upset you were predicting, Dally? Looks like old Toddy blew it, huh? LOL! "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:54 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote...

" Have you considered therapy, Neo? LOL! "
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No, I haven't Harry. I'm perfectly happy here in my own little world...

Thanks for asking....you....you compassionate liberal...Harry Potter!

ROFLMAO!!!! "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 12, 2008 10:30 AM:

" You're welcome Neo. It's the curse of us liberals to have compassion for the less fortunate, as well as the occasional misguided conservative. As a former great, and by all accounts successful, especially when compared to the one we have now, president once said, I feel your pain. "

injustice85 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 10:43 AM:

" if we feel ambushed, imagine how Barack Obama feels...it is time to get past the childishness and back the new president, if we don't work together from here on out to fix the nations problems we are hopeless, never has a president had more support or made more people feel American again, the rest of you need to breath easy and hop that train, don't be afraid be useful "