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Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:42 PM CDT
LETTER: What does Obama birth certificate say?

By JON VANATTA, Charleston

If Obama wants to win the election then he needs to produce his real birth certificate.

If he was born in the United States what does he have to hide? Why did he suddenly have to suspend his campaign for two days and go to Hawaii and then immediately the governor of Hawaii freezes his records? Won’t release college records, won’t release birth documents, won’t release any Kenyan documents. Is this really the change we want?

The fact that he is hiding all these things proves that he has a lot more he is hiding. Do we want to find out after he is elected that he is ineligible according to the Constitution?

JON VANATTA

Charleston

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Cognitus wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:05 PM:

" Similarly we should require Sidney McCain to produce his birth certificate.
It appears that he was born in the Canal Zone of Panama. The Canal Zone has NEVER BELONGED TO THE UNITED STATES. There was only a treaty between Panama and the US giving the US permission to build a canal and to operate it. On July 28, 1904, Controller of the Treasury Robert Tracewell stated, "While the general spirit and purpose of the Constitution is applicable to the zone, that domain is not a part of the United States within the full meaning of the Constitution and laws of the country." So it is Sidney McCain who is NOT A "NATIVE BORN" citizen.
But thanks to Vanatta for showing us how desperate the McCain campaign is..... "

VTucker wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:38 PM:

" Honestly, I hadn't heard about this controversy. I can't believe someone hasn't sent me an e-mail forward about it. "

VTucker wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:42 PM:

" Mr. Vanatta, maybe this will help clarify the issue:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp "

VTucker wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:51 PM:

" Mr. Vanatta, maybe this will convince you (at least re. the Birth Certificate)?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I have never seen anything like this year's election--the way people who proclaim their Christianity are spreading lies and innuendo. They discredit not only themselves, but the God they supposedly represent. "

Read all over wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:10 PM:

" Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Go to

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

You can see a copy there. Stop living in the Middle Ages, when anything could be "true," and accept that we're living in a world in which truth is a matter of facts, not ideologically-driven conspiracy theories.

And where's your birth certificate? How do we know that you were born in the U.S. and can vote? "

wpfr217 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:24 AM:

" To sort of boil it down, Senator O'bama posted his birth certificate on a web site... http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

By law (The Immigration and Nationality Act, Title III, SEC. 305. [8 U.S.C. 1405]), anyone born in Hawaii after April 30, 1900 is a citizen by birth regardless of the citizenship of his / her parents. Reference to follow below.

Senator McCain was born in Panama, but on a US military base, so he is a citizen by birth regardless of whether or not the Canal Zone is a US property, based on the same law mentioned above for Senator O'Bama.

It seems to me that this is a non-issue - it applies equally to both candidates and there's no honest-to-goodness evidence - just e-rumor - that either is disqualified based on birthplace or parentage. Neither parent has to be citizen for the newborn individual to be a citizen if the birth took place in the US, as defined by statute not as limited by the 50 states. "

NeoCon Academician wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:02 AM:

" Obama refuses to provide the media with school records, passports, college theses, law school records, law firm clients, medical records, Illinois State Senate files, and other documents about his record.

Original birth certificate - not released, substitute provided
Obama/Dunham marriage license - not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license - not released
Soetoro adoption records - not released
Besuki School application - released
Punahou School records - not released
Selective Service Registration - released
Occidental College records - not released
Passport (Pakistan) - not released
Columbia College records - not released
Columbia thesis - not released
Harvard College records - not released
Harvard Law Review articles - none
Baptism certificates - none
Medical records - not released
Illinois State Senate records - none
Illinois State Senate schedule not released (alleged to have been lost)
Law practice client list - not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles - none "

God Is wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:03 AM:

" I agree, VTucker. Christians and non Christians alike who participate in the nonsense that has been going on need to stop. And the media that is helping to fan the flames needs to start behaving itself as well.

And, just for the record, children born on foreign soil to parents with citizenship in the United States are still considered native born. And if one parent is American, and the other a foreign national, they are graced with dual citizenship until the day that they are mature enough to select their citizenship of choice (at least in a great many countries of the world.) They don't have to pop out onto actual home soil to belong here. They are Americans, born and bred. "

Texas T wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:35 AM:

" Not necessary to be born in the US to vote Read all over. And Jon is not running for office. "

jayce wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:54 AM:

" I have a grandchild born in Germany and is a US citizen because it was born on the Us base, so it i a citazen of the USA...... probably so with McCain. If you haddn't followed Obama's record in the Illinois congress and contacted him about issues that he wouldn't listen to you about and tell you his way was better....then you don't know anything about him being an arragent, breaking his word (dishonorable) person. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Let me add one more to your list, Neo. Any of the 32 propaganda films McCain made for the North Vietnamese, which seem to have disappeared after McCain orchestrated favored nation trading status for Vietnam. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Actually, Obama is the only major candidate born on American soil. You're getting a little desperate aren't you, Jon? Perhaps you need to go back to repeating that secret Muslim lie. LOL! "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:08 AM:

" HP, The Muslims want Obama to be elected in fact they are overjoyed because they think he will be. He fits right into their plans. "

shumphreys wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:19 AM:

" Just out of curiosity has McCain released all of his documents, grade school grades, high school grades, discharge papers, birth certificate, marriage and divorce papers, the list of lawyers who have done legal work for him (he can't release a client list since he isn't a lawyer), honestly this whole document thing gets pretty ridiculous. "

father bob wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:20 AM:

" jon v, you and neocon are truly a couple of sad misinformed individuals.

i can't believe in this world of information you choose to believe anything the right says without doing any research.

you guys need to huddle and read your bibles and pray obama wins. "

father bob wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:32 AM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:06 AM:
" Actually, Obama is the only major candidate born on American soil. You're getting a little desperate aren't you, Jon? Perhaps you need to go back to repeating that secret Muslim lie. LOL! """"
________

Vannatta's a muslim?...wow! i knew it all along. "

father bob wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:35 AM:

" hehehehe...i wonder how many of these lunatics will actually support arnold when he tries to challenge the "naturally born" requirement in 2012.

hey jon.....did you know sara palin was a space alien? the globe said so...so it must be true...eh? "

father bob wrote on Oct 31, 2008 11:39 AM:

" hey jon....can you tell me what mccain's health plan is all about? oh....and what about his economic plan short and long term?...

oh...i forgot, those aren't important voter issues....nevermind. "

father bob wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:09 PM:

" i read a letter to the editor to our local paper where a guy asked "how do we know obama was qualified to attend hardard law school?".....i almost gagged on my coffee.

then this morning i read this crap from vannatta......i conclude there really are cavemen still inhabiting this earth. "

injustice85 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 12:48 PM:

" what does a birth certificate have to do with anything about who he is? talk about nit picking, boo to you for this bull "

The Question wrote on Oct 31, 2008 1:16 PM:

" Obama's birth certificate says, "Future president of the United States." "

Jon Vanatta wrote on Oct 31, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Read all over, you have followed right along with what has been the tradition of the Obama pushers of this whole campaign and VT and God is have fallen right into the same thing. When a question or an issue is raised about your candidate instead of addressing the question you attack the character of the one raising it. My qualifications for voting have nothing to do with this question. It was the same thing with Joe Wurzelbacher his question was never answered but his character was immediately attacked. Vicky Tucker and God is you attacked my Christianity instead of the question I raised. I actually raised more than just about his birth certificate but the whole list of things that Obama refuses to reveal. This man has too much he is hiding and feels that he has an elitists right to just ignore the questions of us common folks like Joe and I. Do you think this attitude is going to change after he is president? The certificate that has been presented is a poor attempt of being an official document. There is an official document somewhere. All Obama has to do is release it and end this controversy forever because if it comes to light after he is elected I do not like who follows in line after him any better. We need change in Washington but not the type of change represented by Obamas ticket. If Obama is elected very likely Jeremiah Wrights statement will come true about the chickens coming home to roost. We are in for some changes than we are not going to like. Why do you think the Terrorists and the fanatical Islamists are all rooting for Obama and sending their money to his campaign? Why is Obama so afraid of us finding out what he did in Kenya that the records from there are frozen? Vicky Tucker since you like snopes.com so well take a look at this one. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp "

oblivious wrote on Oct 31, 2008 1:25 PM:

" About McCain being born in Panama. There was a U.S. Military installation there when he was. I personally lived on Howard Air Force Base, Panama myself. Being born in a foreign country does not automatically make you NOT a citizen. He was born on a U.S. Military installation which was governed by the U.S. Heck, even all mail that is sent overseas to U.S. military installations have U.S. addresses.

Get over it...if it were going to come out, it would've come out long before now. "

medic57 wrote on Oct 31, 2008 1:34 PM:

" In this technical day and age, it is very easy to make a new ID for yourself, look at all the people that died in the World Trade Center who later showed up liviving under new names in different states. "

sapient wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:01 PM:

" All people are asking is that instead of tap dancing around the issue, B. Hussein Obama should just produce the records. That would silence the issue forever. It's his unwillingness or inability to do this that perpetuates the controvercy. "

father bob wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:33 PM:

" sapient wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:01 PM:
" All people are asking is that instead of tap dancing around the issue, B. Hussein Obama should just produce the records. That would silence the issue forever. It's his unwillingness or inability to do this that perpetuates the controvercy. """"

so point us to the site where the same information in john mcIIIrd is posted.....and we want his medical records too..... "

father bob wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:40 PM:

" kind of hilarious....jon vanatta sapient and the rest of the idiots think the petition process to run for the office of president of the united states of america would not ask for the proper documentation from any individual applying.

whatcha think jonnie there's a huge conspiracy within the government to secret terrorists into political office? quit reading the globe and stop listening to rush limbaugh... "

God Is wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:43 PM:

" Good rebuttal, Mr. Vanatta. I was speaking about the big picture in response to VTucker, and should have referred to the legitimacy of the point you had raised originally to cause VTucker's answer. I question why the media decided to probe into such issues, but once raised, producing the certificate would have been a simple solution.

And I appreciate the manner in which you dealt directly with seemingly dissenting individuals instead of degenerating into the more common "group bashing" that has become prevalent. One debate point is hereby awarded to Mr. Vanatta. "

Cognitus wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:19 PM:

" wpfr217wrote:Senator McCain was born in Panama, but on a US military base, so he is a citizen by birth regardless of whether or not the Canal Zone is a US property, based on the same law mentioned above for Senator O'Bama.
=======================================
Nobody questions his citizenship.
You've forgotten that the Constitution states that a PRESIDENT must be NATIVE-BORN.
Obama was born in Hawaii after it became
a state, so he is native-born. McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a military area, so sure he is a US citizen, but NOT native-born.
Read the Constitution more carefully. "

Cognitus wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:28 PM:

" Vanatta in desperation writes:"HP, The Muslims want Obama to be elected in fact they are overjoyed because they think he will be. He fits right into their plans."
Vanatta, what Muslim have you been talking to to get this information. I was not aware there had ever been a survey to determine that all, or even a majority, of Muslims support Obama. Maybe Jon's been hanging out with some people we don't know about.....just off the plane from Mecca?? "

Cognitus wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:34 PM:

" sapient wrote:"All people are asking is that instead of tap dancing around the issue, B. Hussein Obama should just produce the records. That would silence the issue forever. It's his unwillingness or inability to do this that perpetuates the controvercy. "
===================================
Well, turnabout is fair. We haven't yet seen any of the records named for McCain and Palin. Both, for some reason, keep promising their medical records ... but none appeared yet. What are they afraid of?? So what about McCain's melanoma??? Is Palin
holding back because she expects to be president in which case folks will look more carefully at HER medical record, where she also has a problem??????? "

Read all over wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:33 PM:

" I didn't attack your character, Mr. Vanatta. I provided a link to a page that reproduces Obama's birth certificate. And I asked a rhetorical question about facts: how can we be sure that you're a citizen? You haven't provided us with a birth certificate. How can we be sure that you're even Jon Vanatta? And not, say, Anton Vatja?

These questions about whether Barack Obama has a valid birth certificate are designed only to stir up doubts about Obama as somehow exotic, foreign, not like "us," whoever we are. They are a 21st-century Internet-driven version of the fear of "furriners" that has dominated some of the uglier episodes in American history.

And of course, there's no proof that will satisfy those who insist on raising questions. No doubt you believe that the birth certificate reproduced online is a fake. I can just as easily believe that you're a fake. And since I can't argue with someone who doesn't really exist, that's my last word on this matter. "

Harry Potter wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:41 PM:

" I heard a rumor that McCain's birth certificate was on parchment. "

dlittle wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:43 PM:

" Maybe you should check your RUMORS out at Snopes.com. This is a great site to check out anything from Fake Emails to Rumors. Check out the following two answers concerning the birth certificates. One lawyer alreaady sued in August and lost.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp "

VTucker wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:11 PM:

" Jon Vanatta, I looked up the Kenyan reference you mentioned, and I don't see where it supports what you said in your post.

I don't know you personally, and I certainly did not intend to attack you as an individual; if it came across that way, I apologize. However, I have been reading a lot of e-mails containing misinformation about Obama, and I see how this stuff has been proliferating on blog sites and elsewhere--when people circulate and perpetuate these things, it DOES discredit Christianity.

What justification can you provide for any Christian to spread untruth and innuendo about another person? And, how does passing on negative misinformation about another person--I believe that's called slander--in any way further the cause of Christ?

As I understand it, the birth certificate issue has been resolved. See the link below, along with the FactCheck info already mentioned:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809180017

The sad thing is that these lies and rumors don't seem to die down; they seem simply to bubble up in a new form. There is something evil about that.

I do understand that this is all about fear--fear of what might happen if Obama becomes president. Anything can happen; look what happened while Bush was president. Disaster could happen under Obama or McCain. McCain strikes me as reckless, as someone who could take us into an unnecessary war. He is a gambler, a risk-taker. Sometimes taking the big risk pays off, but at other times you just might crash and burn.

Whatever happens, and whoever wins, as a Christian you must know that God is in control. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Mr Vanatta fails to understand the very message he professes to endorse. I too would like to see the scripture that advocates spreading falsehoods about your brother. "

shumphreys wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:21 AM:

" On Bill Moyers Journal last night the two commentators mentioned that the biggest problem with all this devisiveness, fear mongering, rumor spreading, pandering to the right wing extremeists, will be the lasting affects, after the election is over. Who ever wins is going to have a difficult time mending fences to make it possible for him to govern wisely and accomplish what needs to be done to get this country back on track. "

jayce wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Obama's Hawaiian Cirtificate is a Certificate of "Live Birth"--not a birth certificate. There is a tape out there of his Kenyan grandmother saying that she was present at the birth--in Kenya-- his mother went into labor and couldn't be moved. At any rate...why did the governer of Hawaii seal his birth cirtificate if there is no cause to question it? Obama tactics--hide and deny. "

jayce wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:53 AM:

" Yes the muslims want Obama elected.
see--- WND.comhttp.com/index.phpPAGE.View&pageld=79660 Worldnetnews.com "

VTucker wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:40 AM:

" jayce, the site you provided looks like yet another rumor mill. I noticed that one of its writers was Corsi, who has been completely discredited. Show me this information from the mainstream, or at least from a credible right-wing source.

No wonder you people are getting so frightened and worked up, reading all this stuff. Be rational; get all the facts. I see where it's being reported about Obama's aunt living here illegally. The mainstream media is reporting that info. If something's not on the up-and-up, the mainstream media will report on it. However--if sources are not credible, there is no reason to report on an issue. Unless you're interested in creating fear and manipulating people.... "

sapient wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:59 AM:

" HP: " I heard a rumor that McCain's birth certificate was on parchment. "

So was Jesus'. "

Illinoisbound wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:06 PM:

" I don't know where he was born, but do wonder why he hides the facts about it. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. I do know he supports abortion so he doesn't get my vote. "

The Question wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:19 PM:

" "Yes the muslims want Obama elected."
---
So do the Christians, but I won't hold that against him. "

1 cav wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:53 PM:

" My oh my Jon,
You sure stirred up the large eared donkey party COOL AIDE drinkers and propagandists.
No they will not answer your questions and the rest can't.
I hope the Supreme Court will take the case presented to them,since it is stated in the Constitution and that is their job.
Factcheck.org is funded by the leftist group Annenberg Foundation who funded money to Bill Ayers and Obama's Woods group.
Anyone with half a brain knows snopes.com is Liberal leaning politically. Obama like Clinton could do no wrong according to them. "

mjgtm wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:10 PM:

" By the way!!!!!
You should take H.P. FB and the rest of them far left loonies with you also "

shumphreys wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:31 PM:

" Sapient Jesus didn't have a birth certificate, and if he did what would it have said, father God? Get a grip, you have lost it. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:03 AM:

" "He served as Washington's biggest cheerleader for going to war in Iraq, and supports economic policies that are no different from the last eight years."

-------

Dick Cheney's comments regarding his support of John McCain.

Sadly, Cheney still doesn't get it.

These two issues are what put Obama in a position to win. "

The Question wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:28 AM:

" The problem is that Snopes deals in facts, and you right wingers deal in propaganda. Instead of gasbagging about Snopes being "liberal leaning," why don't you cite us some factual mistakes Snopes has made?
You can't, that's why.
On the other hand, I can cite you numerous major mistakes and lies that your crooked pals at Fox News have aired. And I already have on this website. "

VTucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:31 AM:

" 1 cav, I don't know about the political leanings, but FactCheck seems to correct Obama as much as it does McCain. Snopes also has corrected the misinformation floating around about McCain, too. Maybe there's much less being circulated about McCain as compared to Obama.... "

Locke wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:44 AM:

" I think America has had enough of this.

Some people don't want to participate in the process. Some people want to spread lies, create distractions, and whine because things aren't their way all of the time.

If you don't like the country and cannot level a substantive arguement for why you party needs to be promoted, by all means, feel free to move to Montana, create your coveted Christian republic, outlaw abortion, and live happily ever after in Jesusland watching Fox News.

America is sick and tired of the same old garbage -- and that is why Obama is ahead in the polls. "

The Question wrote on Nov 2, 2008 8:09 AM:

" Fox News pundit Dick Morris said Saturday, I think that there is a significant risk that if Obama wins, and he raises the capital gains tax, and he raises the income tax, you are going to trigger an unbelievable depression."
I thought Fox News would at least wait until the day AFTER the election to blame Obama for the Bush Depression. My bad. As Lily Tomlin observed, no matter how cynical you are, you just can't keep up. "

just wondering wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Not sure I would count on Snopes to just give the facts. It is out now that the owner of Snopes is an Obama supporter. Haven't seen anything else to verify this or not. Obama could answer all the questions but he has all his records sealed. You can't find out anything about his records or activities in any school other than that he was editor of the law review. But you can't see any of his articles from that. Why not? Information on his birth certificate is sealed. Why so secretive? I would think he would want to prove his critics wrong, if they are. "

injustice85 wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:57 AM:

" Illinoisbound wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:06 PM:

" I don't know where he was born, but do wonder why he hides the facts about it. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. I do know he supports abortion so he doesn't get my vote. "

How ridiculous, Abortion is your only reason? for that you don't deserve a vote, there are bigger issues here, the abortion one won't change "

Illinoisbound wrote on Nov 2, 2008 3:43 PM:

" maybe he is an illegal like his aunt ;) "

The Question wrote on Nov 2, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Unless you carping right wingers can come up with factual errors published by Snopes, you can just shut your yaps. You're just stinging because Snopes has exposed so many Republican lies. They have also exposed lies that targeted McCain, Palin and Bush, of course, but you never mention that, because it doesn't fit in with your "liberal leaning" propaganda. Where are your FACTS? "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:57 PM:

" I seem to recall both factcheck and Snopes being used to support an argument from the right side too. How can that be if they are both mouthpieces for the the left? The claim that both of them are in the tank of Obama is about the most stupid comment I've seen in a long time on this site, and I have seen some pretty stupid comments on here.

Don't hold your breath for any one of them to dispute either site, TQ. They probably got their info from Rush Limbaugh, and we all know about that gasbag's accuracy. LOL! "

krakatoa wrote on Nov 2, 2008 6:43 PM:

" Nobody questions his citizenship.
"You've forgotten that the Constitution states that a PRESIDENT must be NATIVE-BORN.
Obama was born in Hawaii after it became
a state, so he is native-born. McCain was born in the Canal Zone, a military area, so sure he is a US citizen, but NOT native-born.
Read the Constitution more carefully. "

You obviously don't understand this issue at all. Military bases like embassies are considered Amercian Soil. So if you're born on a military base in a foreign country you are a native born citizen. The only way you are not a native born citizen is if you become a citizen at a point other than birth. "

exbricklayer wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:59 PM:

" This is hilarious, and you people are pathetic losers. The only bright spot, except for the fact that Obama is going to beat McSame like a Vietnamese prison guard, is here in Illinois if you're a rapepublican your vote wont count. Obama has our 21 electoral votes locked up. HA HA HA HA. P.S. I'm going to Indiana to work on the GOTV Monday and Tuesday, What are you doing for your candidate? "

Paul Black wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:11 PM:

" If the writer is concerned about the Constitution, then the issue must be settled by how that Constitution has been interpreted through the passage of laws.

The perception is that in order to be a U.S. citizen one must be born inside the United States. That is only one way in which someone is granted U.S. citizenship at birth and considered a natural born citizen. It is not the only way.

First, the law in 1933, Persons born abroad before May 24, 1934 to a US citizen father who had resided in the US at any point before the birth are considered US citizens at birth. The status of the mother did not matter unless the child was born out of wedlock. There were numerous legal challenges to this rule, claiming that it violates equal protection by treating the children born to US citizen women different than those born to US citizen men. The issue was never fully resolved by the courts, but in 1994, Congress passed a law retroactively granting citizenship at birth to children born abroad to US citizen women. That settles the issue for John McCain's citizenship.

Second, Obama was born August 4, 1961, after Hawaii was granted statehood -- almost two years after President Eisenhower declared Hawaii the 50th state on August 21, 1959. By virtue of statehood, all of its residents became U.S. citizens. In 1961, When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. However, when statehood is involved, this portion of the law is waived, because it would violate the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment. The 10-year requirement is waived. So, Obama has a U.S. citizen for a mother and a father who is a citizen of Kenya. That settles the issue: Obama is a U.S. natural born citizen, having been born in a U.S. state.

It amazes me how many will pass along such mis-information without checking it out. A visit to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service could have provided the answer. That is, if persons are really interested in the truth and not just a political agenda. "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:43 PM:

" The only bright spot, except for the fact that Obama is going to beat McSame like a Vietnamese prison guard........

-----------------

I heard that McCain made over 32 propaganda films for the North Vietnamese communists, just to keep from being beaten. We have never heard much about that from the supposedly left leaning main stream media, have we?

People need to educate themselves about McCain's involvement in our granting of favored nation treatment to the Vietnamese government. It ain't very pretty. "

just wondering wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:38 PM:

" HP I have seen a lot of stupid comments on this site, too. A lot of them were written by you so I guess you got to see them before the rest of us. The question is how do you know snopes is reliable? Have you ever done any checking on them? Snopes is not the only place is it to confirm or deny rumors. I am sure you and the question have plenty of time on your hands since this seems to be the only thing you do. "

Mama says wrote on Nov 7, 2008 10:08 PM:

" TO LIE OR NOT TO LIE, THAT IS THE QUESTION. When step in voting booth a good prayer and hope best man win.
God has sort this mess out. I prefer to believe in GOD because man sure messed things up. Prayer for our president should be daily. Non believers can just sit and not worry about a thing. "

whitedove wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:25 AM:

" This is quite frightening...do you recall what the Communists said to us many years ago? Here is a quote that should wake up the liberals who seem to have no fear or caution in the election...

"We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

~ Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

NEED I SAY MORE????? "

whitedove wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Republicans may have lost the battle of 2008, but they won the war.
The election of Mr. Obama proves that anyone can live the American dream. A biracial product of a dysfunctional family overcame obstacles to finish high school, graduate from college, graduate from law school, become a professional, marry another professional, raise a family, hold a state office, become elected to the United States Senate, and now become the next President of the United States.
I doubt if his supporters understand the law of unintended consequences.
Minorities can no longer use their skin color to explain personal shortcomings such as unemployment, failure to pay child support, failure to obey the social contract, or criminal activity.
Abraham Lincoln would be happy to see the final product of the Civil War. " "

Harry Potter wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:26 AM:

" I doubt if his supporters understand the law of unintended consequences.
Minorities can no longer use their skin color to explain personal shortcomings such as unemployment, failure to pay child support, failure to obey the social contract, or criminal activity.

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As an Obama supporter, let me say that, despite your smug and condescending assertions, most of us are not the naive people you seem to think we are. And I have to wonder if realize how racist you come across with your above comments about the responsibilities of those of color? No whitedove, people of all races have been known to abdicate their responsibilities, not just minorities as you seem to infer. "

The Question wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:49 PM:

" Snopes cites its sources and can be judged by anyone who cares to look into the matter, Wonder No-Man. You are claiming Snopes is unreliable, so PRODUCE YOUR EVIDENCE.
Put up or shut up, in other words. "