" I don't praise many letters, even less from conservatives. You raise the question McCain should have raised all along, while emphasizing his plans, and distancing himself from the current administration.

You are not making brainless suggestions that it all started with Carter or Clinton, you are not comparing Obama to African dictators, you are simply asking a valid question.

Good letter Mr. Miller. "

" Nice try Miller, but as you are no doubt aware of, the majority of people aren't buying into the Obama lies being spread by the Repuglican party and their propaganda department, Fox. Personally, I hope that McCain keeps up his losing campaign strategy. In a few short weeks I will be coming on here and reminding all of you fuzzy Palin supporters of how the ignorant rookie cost McCain the election. Watch for it! "

" I guess I can say that I agree with this article somewhere around 95 per cent. We could all do with a little more patriotism, a little more worship, and a little more respect for ourselves and others.

But I am old enough to remember the times of which you speak. The passage of time has made them appear ideal. The actual fact is that they weren't.

Babies weren't safe in the womb even then. They never have been. Plus there were no good methods of birth control except for abstinance (still highly desirable.) Now I abhor the idea of abortion, but I am a realist. Women have been seeking them for millenia and aren't going to stop just because I hate them. And there is no way I want to see us go back to the ways of the past when abortions came in what can only be adequately described as butcher shops. What we need is better birth control widely available to all with emphasis on abstinance. And better education on respectful behavior.

In the time of which you speak, women were forced into menial, low paying jobs by a culture which did not believe that they had anything more to contribute to society than their wombs. Minority races fared even worse. They could even be murdered without the guilty being punished. Men could beat their families with virtually no interference, and those family members had no resources available to escape. Many of the criminals sent to prison today would not have even been arrested then. There were no laws written emphasizing the illegality of their behaviors.

I remember a time when my mother went to the bank to withdraw a sum of money from a saving's account that belonged to both her and my father. It wasn't even a large amount. If memory serves she intended to buy school shoes for her children. Before releasing the money, the bank called my father for his permission to allow her to do that. They never called to get her permission when he made withdrawals.

I can get as nostalgic over my youth just the same as anyone else. In my child's memory those times may even seem perfect. But the adult me knows the truth. We have made fine advances in many areas that I would not give up for anything. There have been things lost that maybe should not have been. Let us not wish to regress, but let us maintain what is better, and re-establish what is gone.

At each and every election we have the chance to improve our country. It doesn't matter which candidate has the best smile or the most teeth. It matters which one is the most likely to have a positive impact for today and the future. It saddens me to watch while political campaigns have degenerated from trying to exemplify how good one is, to trying to show how twisted and bad the other guy is. I hate the twisted facts and name calling. I feel no respect for any of them. But I will make a choice.

I pray to God for guidance that my feeble human eyes manage to see through the hype in order to make the best choice possible from the pittance we have been offered. The worst thing that I could do, is to not vote at all. "

" Oh yes, "the good old days" when Black folks had to sit in the back of the bus and attend separate public schools, when factory owners didn't have to worry about polution laws or health and safety standards, when children actually earned their own keep by working in the factories....I am amazed at the "selective" memory of "OLD FOLKS" like Mr. Miller. He is right it takes a person without any brains to vote for McCain. "

" You ask about Obama, "Who is this guy?" -- I ask the same of Senator John McCain. What happened to the maverick of 2000? What happened to the man that use to have compassion for human beings? Especially, what happened to the man of honor -- John McCain?

Nobody's claiming, to my knowledge, that you are not taking a risk by voting for Barack Obama. But you are also taking a risk by voting for McCain. Here's a man full of hate from past abuses as a POW. It's been reported that if you were abused in your early lives, you will tend to abuse others. It's a known fact - McCain's temper has been reported on many times.

Any vote you make for a President, Senator or any other office you are taking a risk that they way do what they say they will do. I don't care how many years they've had of experience. It doesn't matter what they've done before -during that experience either -- it doesn't matter.

Once they WIN that position -- every politician changes or flips on what they will do. None of them carries out their promises thru 100%, not even 80%.

If they succeed in getting 40% of what they promise done - they are considered a success in my view.

If you believe in the Iraq war, if you believe Bush did an Ok or better job the past 8 years -- you will vote for McCain. If not, you will vote for someone else - hopefully Barack Obama.

Did you agree with McCain's immigration plan for amnesty? Did you agree with his vote AGAINST Bush's tax cut the first time around? Did you agree with his reversal on those tax cuts?

If not - perhaps you should look at somebody else as your Pres.

Voting is so Simple (NOT). "

" Did you know that both Lincoln's and Kennedy's opponents asked the very same question? Sometimes, young and new is a good thing Mr Miller. "

" Susan: Glad to hear you are voting for McCain. "

" Honestly Sapient, you might as well give up. You can't insult me, only yourself with your cute comments.

God Is you made sense and some good points. Times have changed.

I think this USA is at the verge of a cosmic shift. The History of the Human Race is a history of gradual change until a tipping point is reached that culminates in a violent upheaval that leads to a short (very short) period of homeostasis that leads to a gradual transition until a tipping point is reached that leads to a violent upheaval. The old order becomes more beligerant and repressive as its numbers and influence dwindle as the new order gains in numbers, strength, power, influence and control.

I think the US is at the tipping point. Obama represents the new world order and McCain the old world order. The question is whether we have advanced enough that this upheaval will be a peaceful one rather than a violent one. That this upheaval is inevitable is not in question.

What are the differences between this new world order and the old world order? Ill let you ponder that question on your own. "

" The biggest question that the writer has asked is why has Obama risen to fame so quickly with no record of achievement? Well, I think, first of all, being a Senator is an achievement. It is an important job, and you can look up his track record any time you want. This is a person we are supposed to be able to go to with our problems. Second, many people in Chicago probably know him better than we do, as he has done much charity work and been more publicized up there, so they probably heard of him long before we did. Third, in a day and age like now, when just about everything we have is in a crisis, we need someone different, because obviously, the current path is not working. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and people who may have not thought they could be president are now stepping up, as they feel it is their duty to try to change things. There is nothing wrong with this. Fourth, we had never heard of Palin before McCain picked her, and if he hadn't, we still wouldn't know who she was, unless we visited Alaska. So to say these things about Obama is sticking your foot in your mouth. "

" Susan: Of course you weren't insulting anyone with your
"it takes a person without any brains to vote for McCain. "

You keep ranting at others for what you yourself are doing. "

" sapient wrote on Oct 14, 2008 1:19 PM:
" Susan: Of course you weren't insulting anyone with your
"it takes a person without any brains to vote for McCain. "

You keep ranting at others for what you yourself are doing. """"

and vice versa....rant on old fool! "

" Of course I do Sapient. It is the only way to get you to admit to what you are doing. BUT my response was more clever than yours, I just turned his own words around and used them against him. That is quite different than putting words in people's mouth which is what you do, it takes more finesse to do it my way. "

" Obama's track record as a senator, huh? You mean the last two years he's spent running for President? How about the culture of corruption in Chicago that he comes from. The same one that rules our state and look where that has gotten us. For goodness sakes, Emil Jones is his mentor. That should tell you all you need to know. And now this business with ACORN which he is lying about and trying to tell us he's not involved and never has been. How many more things do some people need? He sounds good but some of you would be wise to really listen to what he is saying. "

" By the way, Mr. Miller. Very good letter. "

" By the way, Mr. Miller. Very good letter. "

" FB: Susan won't like you insulting people. Oh, I forgot. It's OK for your side. And how did you know that I'm old. (That was meant to be a joke)LOL "

" Isn't it odd how these supporters of John McCain love attacking Chicago politicians but completely IGNORE the past 12 of 14 years of a Republican Congress and the last 8 years of George W. Bush.

I don't hear ONE of you BRAGGING about the way they ran their administration.

Why is that? Ashamed? "

" So you fancy yourself a philosopher now?

Cosmic shift?
New world order?

PUHLEASE!!!

When will you star-struck little Obamaites realize he is just a politician, and not the messiah. He can't keep half his promises, and the other half will be rendered useless in the bickering, do-nothing congress we keep re-electing. "

" Exactly what "Republican propaganda lies" was the letter writer using, Potter? "

" So Coonbug, you didn't answer the question. How do you justify thinking that someone who comes from the culture of corruption in Chicago is going to be any different? Or maybe you're defending Chicago politicians. What am I saying? Of course you are everytime you write one of your 'crush' letters about Obama. And by the way, Obama is running against John McCain, a man that Republicans have not really been enthralled with because he too often bucked the party. So, John McCain is not George Bush. Get it? "

" Somone should inform Mr. Miller that this is already a socialist country, social security, medicare and medicade, welfare, unemployment security, OSHA,Food and Drug Administration, Transportation and Highway Safety Commission, FEMA, Agriculture subsidies and programs, Amtrak, National Park and Forest Service, BLM, not to mention state programs. "

" Americans are "consumers" in exactly the same sense that overfed cattle are "consumers," and for exactly the same purpose. "

" Puhlease Mr. Ed. Miller, try THINKING for a change. You just might surprise yourself. "

" John McCain who voted for over 90% of what Pres Bush wanted is NOT George W Bush? Wow -- you could have fooled me.

I don't happen to agree that ALL Illinois politicians are corrupt, not even all those that work in Chicago. That's how we differ Red, White and Blue.

Jim Edgar, James Thompson, Paul Simon weren't corrupt that we know of (course Edgar had ties to Rezko too - but no proof he did anything wrong).

Republican George Ryan WAS corrupt however. He was actually convicted.

Blagojevich hasn't been indicted on anything yet, until he is, I'll assume he's doing things legally.

I voted for Edgar, did you? No sorry, not all those that work in Springfield or Chicago are corrupt.

You've watched too many Godfather movies.

It's also funny that McCain would attack politicians from Chicago -- he will have the WORK with them like he claims he will if Pres. Will that make HIM corrupt too?

Geez this is confusing...guilt by association. "

" How do you justify thinking that someone who comes from the culture of corruption in Chicago is going to be any different?
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As opposed to someone who has spent his life in the culture of moral purity that is Washington, D.C., you mean? "

" Shumphreys, you ain't seen nothin' yet until we get a real socialist as president which is what is going to happen. People think the government intrudes in their lives too much now. Not sure how anybody thinks electing a man who counts terrorists and people who hate America among his friends is going to make this country better. "

" Shumphreys, you ain't seen nothin' yet until we get a real socialist as president which is what is going to happen. People think the government intrudes in their lives too much now. Not sure how anybody thinks electing a man who counts terrorists and people who hate America among his friends is going to make this country better. "

" Who is this guy is better than this guy who hasn't done crap, only had his rank cause of his daddy, cheated on his wife, and has squat for leadership skills, and doesn't care about our opinion, yeah i'll vote Obama "

" " Exactly what "Republican propaganda lies" was the letter writer using, Potter? "--Ed Miller

He can't answer that Ed. It's his standard response when he's backed into a corner. Control + v... he knows that command well.

RW&B--

You'll never get through the thick skulls and rose colored glasses of Barry's fans. Like Ed said... they think he is the Messiah. "

" People are grasping wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:52 PM:

" " Exactly what "Republican propaganda lies" was the letter writer using, Potter? "--Ed Miller

He can't answer that Ed. It's his standard response when he's backed into a corner. Control + v... he knows that command well.

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Thanks for the laugh, PAG. The idea of anyone like you or the loony ed miller putting anyone in a corner is rather funny. There have been some pretty good debaters from the right side on here, but neither of you fall into that category. Sorry. About the best you two can come up with is repeating trite talking points.

Here's something to think about, perhaps I didn't answer eddies lame question, because I assumed that he was a RNC/Fox news fan and was aware of what has been said about Obama, and I'm sure, like you he is probably a Rush Limbaugh fan, and he is surely not stupid enough to not be able to see through all of that hot air and prevarications told by that idiot daily. Maybe not.

If you're not aware of all the out and out lies being told on a daily basis, then what purpose would it serve for me to list them? O:K, well I guess we could start with the lies being perpetuated about Obama, such as the Muslim stories, perhaps the pledge fib and on and on.... You do know how to search the various sites on the Web, don't you. Have at it.

Oh, and don't forget sites from people like the nutty Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Charles Krauthammer....well you get the idea. The last time I checked they were all of the Republican party.

I almost forgot the biggest lie out there, and that is that the hirsute Palin is ready to step in as president. That one even has a lot of conservatives upset. "

" People are grasping wrote on Oct 15, 2008 1:52 PM:

" " Exactly what "Republican propaganda lies" was the letter writer using, Potter? "--Ed Miller

He can't answer that Ed. It's his standard response when he's backed into a corner. Control + v... he knows that command well.


Whats funny about this is that I've never seen Harry backed into a corner once since I started blogging, in fact he is about the only one who makes real, respectful sense "

" Whats funny about this is that I've never seen Harry backed into a corner once since I started blogging, in fact he is about the only one who makes real, respectful sense "--Injustice

Well you should probably stop posting with your eyes closed then. It happens everyday, and he replies with personal insults and talk about Palin's "hairy lip." He has nothing relevant to say. I can probably summarize his points actually...

If it's against Obama is propaganda.

If it's against the Democratic party it's propaganda.

If you back him into a corner you're either "not too bright" or "hairy."

If you ask him about Obama and ACORN for a week he'll ignore you until he THINKS he has something on McCain and ACORN. THEN he's ready to talk!

If you refer him to a post about McCain's wishes to buy up bad mortgages instead of Obama's idea of giving $700 billion to CEO's who throw $440+k spa parties in celebration of government buyouts he ignores you... oh, and calls you "not too bright."

As for the the "real, respectful sense..." Oh my, you REALLY ARE posting with your eyes closed! "

" No Potter, I did not ask for you to climb on your soapbox about FOX again. You accused the letter writer of spewing lies about Obama. I simply ask you what you thought he was lying about. "

" What exactly is "respectful sense"? "

" It's called judgment, coonbug. When you CHOOSE to continue to ally yourself with the likes of Ayers, Rev. Wright and ACORN and then proceed to LIE about it. That's where I have a problem. And BO has voted with the Dims in Congress 97% of the time. So what? It's a specious argument that doesn't have anything to do with anything. "

" Thanks for actually getting it, nj.

To really understand the mindset of people like PAG and ed miller, you have to spend some time watching Fox news or listen to the Republican radio kooks like Limbaugh and Hannity, nj.

Fox news and the radio nut jobs fulfill a purpose, and that is they do the thinking for people like our two friends. Some people right wingers are intellectually lazy, and need to have someone tell them what to think. Not to disparage those living in trailers, I call those folks trailer park Republicans.

Positions taken by the radical right wing media usually show up here the same day, in some form of regurgitation, by the likes of ed miller and PAG.

Limbaugh fans have been hearing him claim the Dems are imploding for years now, and are buying it, but here we are on the verge of the Dems possibly taking the White House and increasing their majorities in both houses. And yet the Limbaugh fans continue to eat up all of his stupid rantings. Not many right wingers are willing to admit it on here, in fact many of them, like Tom Andres, vehemently deny listening to him, but when I see what is being said by that fat drug addicted drag queen, being posted on here, I know they are eating up his propaganda.

Hate speech being spewed by the folks at FOX folks seem to have no effect on them. Have you heard any of them condemn the hatred being yelled out toward Obama at the Palin rallies? Not a word of condemnation from Palin, at least McCain asked them to stop it. It's obvious that he has no control over the out of her league simpleton Palin.

PAG gets bent out of shape by my hairy lip references about Palin, which is true by the way, but would no doubt give Limbaugh a pass for his daily messiah comments regarding Obama. I'm still wondering why that particular comment got the reaction it did from PAG, it must have hit close to home I guess. Hmmmm.....Is it possible that PAG suffers from the Palin hairy lip malady? How about it Paggy?

It's fine with me if our friends think they have put me in a corner, both of them are thick enough to actually see it that way. Actually, I get a kick out of causing those two to go into their childish little hissy fits, and make total fools of themselves, like they did last night.

And for my hirsute friend, PAG, check out YouTube for the McCain speech to the folks at ACORN. Let me know if you need help in getting to their site. "

" Socialism a system of organization by which the means of production and distribution are owned, managed or controlled by the government or by associations of workers or citizen groups. Socialism is such a dirty word. I get my electricity from Coles Moultrie Electric Cooperative and my water from the Embarrass Area Water district. Both are socialist organizations, owned by the public they serve and controlling distribution of their commodity, electricity or water. McCain plans for the government to buy up the mortgages a socialist plan if ever there was one. Any way you look at it RED, White and Blue this is a socialist country and socialism is actually a good thing. "

" There you go again Potter. Ranting about FOX and Rush again and avoiding the question.

You know, Limbaugh, O'Reily, Hannity are all commentators not reporters. The same for Olbermen and Bill Mahr. If FOX is slanted to the right, what about all of the other networks? You never mention them. Here's a few tidbits from mrc.org.

* In 1992, nine of the White House correspondents surveyed voted for Democrat Bill Clinton, two for Republican George H. W. Bush, and one for independent Ross Perot.

* In 1988, 12 voted for Democrat Michael Dukakis, one for Bush.

* In 1984, 10 voted for Democrat Walter Mondale, zero for Ronald Reagan.

* In 1980, eight voted for Democrat Jimmy Carter, four for liberal independent John Anderson, and two voted for Ronald Reagan.

* When asked how they voted in the 1984 election, more than twice as many newspaper journalists chose liberal Walter Mondale (58 percent) over the conservative incumbent Ronald Reagan (26 percent), even as the country picked Reagan in a 59 to 41 percent landslide.

* More than three out of four elite journalists, 76 percent, reported voting for Michael Dukakis in 1988, compared to just 46 percent of the voting public.

* An even larger percentage of top journalists, 91 percent, cast ballots for Bill Clinton in 1992. That same year, only 43 percent of voters picked Clinton, who nevertheless won a three-way race.

* 89 percent of Washington-based reporters said they voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. Only seven percent voted for George Bush, with two percent choosing Ross Perot.

* Asked How would you characterize your political orientation? 61 percent said liberal or liberal to moderate. Only nine percent labeled themselves conservative or moderate to conservative.

Tierney found a strong preference for the liberal Kerry: When asked who would be a better president, the journalists from outside the Beltway picked Mr. Kerry 3 to 1, and the ones from Washington favored him 12 to 1. Those results jibe with previous surveys over the past two decades showing that journalists tend to be Democrats, especially the ones based in Washington.

One out of eight journalists (13%) said they considered themselves strongly liberal, compared to just three percent who reported being strongly conservative, a four-to-one disparity.

So you see Potter, with the vast majority of news media slanting to the left, if one outlet reports fairly, it will seem biased to the right. "

" You get funnier by the second HP.

I'm not a conservative. I'm not a radical right wing anything. I don't listen to Limbaugh or Hannity. I do watch Fox News as they're the only news show I've found that doesn't put a halo on Obama and reports both sides. Apparently you watch it too you little booger you! I also read the papers. Tell me HP... (since I need to be told what to think and all) what news station SHOULD I watch to get a fair and balanced report on the election? CNN?

See Injustice--I told you... "trailer park Republican [read: not too bright]," "hairy lip," and "propaganda." That's pretty much his entire diatribe and responses to everything. Thanks for including them all in one post HP... it lessens the amount that I have to type and explain to your followers.

As for the video... I have a sneaking suspicion it's not going to prove the point you were hoping or you'd have posted that link lickity split! Headed over to You Tube. :) "

" Mr. Miller it shouldn't surprise anyone that many journalists who are well read, educated people are more liberal then the average man on the street. THAT however doesn't mean that they automatically are biased in their reporting. There really are SOME honest hard working journalists who make every effort to keep their personal opinions from flavoring their news reporting. BUT those journalists aren't on FOX news. "

" Fox News is not merely "biased." Fox NEWS LIES AS A MATTER OF POLICY.
For Fox News, as for its Republican masters, the truth is something to be kept in secret for the rulers to use, like energy policy task forces, lists of U.S. attorneys to be fired for political purposes, programs for spying on American citizens and the real intelligence about Iraq.
The rest of us are to be fed whatever lies we will swallow without gagging.
Faking reality is the worst thing a journalist can do, and yet Fox News does it routinely: altering photos to make its targets look hideous, changing a scandal-plagued Republican's party affiliation, claiming Lincoln debated Frederick Douglass, falsely blaming U.S. troops for atrocities at Malmedy, and citing statistics from a nonexistent magazine, the "Paris Business Review."
The Republicans in Congress knew about GOP Rep. Mark Foley's boy-chasing proclivities for years, and did nothing whatsoever about it. When it all came out, they blamed the Democrats and got Fox News to change Foley's party affiliation for them.
On Fox News, Meme Roth pointed out what a good thing high gas prices are, because they will mean that working class families will no longer be able to afford cable TV and Internet, and so the children in those families will be forced to go outside and play instead. Cheer up, America! High gas prices fight obesity!
On Fox News, Liz Trotta laughed with approval as she suggested that Barack Obama should be assassinated.
Fox News now treats John McCain as a sainted, fearless leader. But it wasn't that long ago that they were busy trying to destroy him so that one of their preferred Republican candidates could win the GOP nomination. Heres Neil Cavuto of Fox News on Feb. 6, 2008: I'm also hearing a lot of people are waiting for Senator McCain to snap; for him to do something crazy and that just as he's on the verge of winning this, he's gonna go, you know, kinda like a Norman Bates deal.
By the way, during the Iraq invasion, I distinctly remember Fox News breathlessly announcing that the WMD had been found at least a dozen times. What ever happened to all those WMD, anyway?
Liberal efforts to support union wages and public education created the American middle class, and the plutocrats who control Fox News really can't stand that uppity bunch. Employees are so much easier to control when they are kept at subsistence-level poverty wages without education. Therefore, public education is also a constant target for Fox News.
It's not the quality of public schools that really bothers Fox. It's the fact that they exist.
Determined to leech off the hard-won credibility of legitimate news organizations, Fox News adopted the slogans fair and balanced, and We report. You decide both laughably false in their case.
A more appropriate motto for Fox News would be Comfort the comfortable, and afflict the afflicted.
This assault on real journalism in this country is part of a larger Republican fascist assault on fact and reason itself, with Rapture loony toons ranting away while the White House forces government scientists to lie and Fox News reporting that Abraham Lincoln debated a black abolitionist instead of Stephen A. Douglas. When you're a fascist propaganda organization posing as a news organization, you naturally have contempt for news values such as accuracy.
The job of Fox News is, at minimum, to reduce everything to opinion, to eliminate fact. If you can eliminate fact and reason, history and science, you can get the masses to swallow whatever monstrous, murderous lie you'd care to sell them.
All the real reporting in this country is done by newspapers. As they die off in our increasingly dumbed-down society, what will be left is reporting" like that found on Fox News: cheap, vapid celebrity gossip and lying propaganda. And you'd be well advised to pray to your God to help the nation we'll have left then. "

" Another beautiful cut and paste job from TQ.

That tired propaganda again? I just had to use HP's fav word.

What site are you getting your information from TQ? Or are you just making it up as you go? "

" I wrote that, sonny boy. But thanks for the compliment. "

" I wrote this, too:
The "liberal bias" of the news media is a useful lie for you right wingers, and some of you are actually stupid enough to believe it. The puppet corporate media dutifully swallowed every Bush lie to drag us into Iraq.
Here's a capsule history of the "liberal media" for you.
Far from being graceful winners, the Bush administrations first act in office was to plant a fake news story to discredit their defeated Democratic opponents. Bush staffers claimed that the outgoing Clinton staff had trashed the White House, cutting phones lines and removing the Ws from computer keyboards.
A formal review by the General Accounting Office, Congress investigative agency, later found no damage to the White House offices and no record of damage deliberately caused by the Clinton staff. But the Bush dirty tricksters had already gotten the lying headlines they wanted.
"Thank you, Bush. Thank you, USA," cried a deliriously happy Iraqi-American, reacting on television to the fall of Baghdad.
In fact, the report was one of many fakes created by the federal government to be planted on compliant local TV stations. The stations pretended the segments were prepared by real reporters, knowing they were actually propaganda generated by government PR hacks.
The rescue of Private Jessica, the enemy attack death of Pat Tillman, the fall of Saddams statue, the supposed Weapons of Mass Destruction all were lies planted in the news media by the ring-wingers, and subsequently exposed.
In fact, the overall story the administration tries to plant about the trillion-dollar Iraq occupation that it's successful is its most obvious lie.
Capitalizing on the success of ranting right-wing talk radio, in 1996 the right-wingers set up their own propaganda TV news channel.
Originally displaying a conservative bias, Fox News
has, for the last few years, displayed an exclusively pro-Bush bias. It is the Pravda of the Bush White House.
A $200-an-hour gay male prostitute named Jeff Gannon, a/k/a James Guckert, was able to get daily access to the White House press briefings for two years while working for a hack right-wing news service.
The fact that Gannon was a literal prostitute must have been icing on the propaganda cake for the White House another little giggle at the expense of the reporters they so despise.
Although Gannon lacked journalism training, he did have one slim credential in the field a ringing endorsement from Fox News Sean Hannity, who called him a terrific Washington bureau chief and White House correspondent for Talon News.
The right-wingers have waged a long campaign against journalism denouncing it, infiltrating it, faking it, extorting it, distorting it, planting male prostitutes in it and telling every manner of lie
about it.
In 1995, conservative strategist William Kristol told the New Yorker, "I admit it. The whole idea of the liberal media was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures." "

" I guess you still don't get it.

I do have an axe to grind...I want to be the little subversive person in television.
Barbara Pyle, CNN Environmental Editor and Turner Broadcasting Vice President for Environmental Policy, as quoted by David Brooks in the July 1990 American Spectator.

There is no such thing as objective reporting...Ive become even more crafty about finding the voices to say the things I think are true. Thats my subversive mission.
Boston Globe environmental reporter Dianne Dumanoski at an Utne Reader symposium May 17-20, 1990. Quoted by Micah Morrison in the July 1990 American Spectator.


Were unpopular because the press tends to be liberal, and I dont think we can run away from that. And I think were unpopular with a lot of conservatives and Republicans this time because the White House press corps by and large detested George Bush, probably for good and sufficient reason, they certainly can cite chapter and verse. But their real contempt for him showed through in their reporting in a way that I think got up the nose of the American people.
Time writer William A. Henry III on the PBS November 4, 1992 election-night special The Finish Line.


Personally, I have a great affection for CBS News....But I stopped watching it some time ago. The unremitting liberal orientation finally became too much for me. I still check in, but less and less frequently. I increasingly drift to NBC News and Fox and MSNBC.
Former CBS News President Van Gordon Sauter in an op-ed published January 13, 2005 in the Los Angeles Times.

I know a lot of you believe that most people in the news business are liberal. Let me tell you, I know a lot of them, and they were almost evenly divided this time. Half of them liked Senator Kerry; the other half hated President Bush.
CBSs Andy Rooney on the November 7, 2004 60 Minutes.

Theres one other base here: the media. Lets talk a little media bias here. The media, I think, wants Kerry to win. And I think theyre going to portray Kerry and Edwards Im talking about the establishment media, not Fox, but theyre going to portray Kerry and Edwards as being young and dynamic and optimistic and all, theres going to be this glow about them that some, is going to be worth, collectively, the two of them, thats going to be worth maybe 15 points.
Newsweeks Evan Thomas on Inside Washington, July 10, 2004.


Jack Cafferty: Can you say liberal? And the liberal talk radio station Air America debuts today....The question is, does America need additional liberal media outlets?...
Bill Hemmer: I think its a good question....Why hasnt a liberal radio station or TV network never taken off before?
Cafferty: We have them. Are you, did you just get off a vegetable truck from the South Bronx? Theyre everywhere....What do they call this joint? The Clinton News Network?
Exchange on CNNs American Morning, March 31, 2004.


Where I work at ABC, people say conservative the way people say child molester.
ABC 20/20 co-anchor John Stossel to CNSNews.com reporter Robert Bluey, in a story posted January 28, 2004.


The media research center has many more of these. "

" "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."
Hannah Arendt.
And creating that ideal audience is the mission of Fox News. "

" I'll admit ed miller you are a respectful blogger, as for "People are Grasping" i seriously haven't read one thing from you that isn't simply attacking someone else on here without point as to the main topic "

" Am I the only one that thinks PAG is in over her head on here? "

" I wrote that, sonny boy. But thanks for the compliment.--TQ

I'm not a sonny or a boy, but thanks.

You wrote what? The lies? At least you can admit that it's your opinion and not push it onto us as fact. You do fancy yourself a laureate don't you TQ? "I wrote this too?" Egomaniac.

I'll admit ed miller you are a respectful blogger, as for "People are Grasping" i seriously haven't read one thing from you that isn't simply attacking someone else on here without point as to the main topic"--Injustice

Then you haven't read much. I have been here for weeks BEGGING for someone to actually discuss a relevant issue, but instead I was met with HP's, TQ's, FB's, and now your personal attacks and irrelevant diarrhea of the mouth.

It's difficult to stay on track and not respond in kind. It's even more difficult to attempt a discussion with someone who can't get passed their "Obama is the second coming so McCain is the devil" mindset.

I think you should look at your own camp before you start throwing stones at this one. "

" Am I the only one that thinks PAG is in over her head on here"--HP

Probably not, but that's because you're all in bed together with the Golden Child.

By the way, what flavor was the KoolAid? I'm dying to know. "

" It is curious that it called itself Fox News, crazy like a fox, foxy (as in devious, cunning, conniving), outfoxed (as in...) They are wordsmiths and I am sure they knew the humor of what they were doing. "

" Seriously, this is getting rather embarrassing for PAG. Would someone please come to her rescue. Would some right winger please bail her out? PAG needs help. I never thought I would say this, but I'm starting to feel sorry for her.

See, Paggy, I can be a nice guy too. "

" Yes, please someone do bail me out. I'm swimming (or drowning) in the crap being spewed by HP and his posse.

You do realize I won't be bullied, right HP? No matter what you say or what you imply... I will stand up to your bullying, close-minded ways. Ooooh, I sort of sounded like a Democrat there... I wondered where that nausea came from! "

" shumphreys wrote on Oct 16, 2008 6:43 PM:

" It is curious that it called itself Fox News, crazy like a fox, foxy (as in devious, cunning, conniving), outfoxed (as in...) They are wordsmiths and I am sure they knew the humor of what they were doing. "



or, call me crazy, but maybe it was because it was already the FOX network. "

" you began the badmouthing people are grasping, if your waiting for intelligent conversation perhaps you might begin with something more than gutter slur "

" God news, Paggy. Help is on the way for you and eddie miller. Our friend Doh is back and he always comes to the rescue of his slow-witted right wing friends, such as yourself. Watch for it. He's back under one of his many names. Get ready to hear that every lefty on here is the same person posting under multiple names too. That's his standard mantra.

He hasn't been around much since the "hairy" Palin choice fiasco happened so it will be interesting to see him attempt to spin her into the best possible choice for VP. "

" Fair reporting is possible, and isn't rocket science. C-Span and the BBC are models of it. Those who are argue that fair reporting is impossible do so to support lying propagandists. "

" "You wrote what? The lies? At least you can admit that it's your opinion and not push it onto us as fact."
--
I cited a laundry list of documented lies aired by your pals at Fox News, Paggy. Would you care to try to refute any of them with evidence? Or is that nasty GOP hot air all you've got to contribute? "

" Thanks for clearing that one up for us, eddie. Now we know the truth, Fox is really a comedy show. I had suspected that for a long time, but now for the first time one of their brilliant supporter's, eddie miller verifies it for us. Thanks again, ed. "

" After having read PAG's comments on her, TQ, I think you'll have a long wait before you get her to answer any thing. She's would much rather whine about the treatment her poor Republicans heroes, like Palin are getting, or how she's getting bullied by that mean old Potter.

Here's a riddle for the constantly nagging PAG: which letter do you take out of Palin's name to show what the country would be in for if by some miracle her and McCain get in? Here's a hint: the sale of aspirin would probably go up too. "

" Duh, Mr. Miller, and why was it called the Fox network? Outfoxed, crazy like a fox,foxy? I can see and enjoy the humor, why can't you? "

" you began the badmouthing people are grasping, if your waiting for intelligent conversation perhaps you might begin with something more than gutter slur--Injustice

Check your facts bub. It's all in black and white. HP has been harassing and taking shots at me from day one. All the while I'll have been asking for the discussion to stick with the issues. No one could do that... as a matter of fact it only incited more insults from your King HP. "

" I set out to watch the new movie about Bush, but accidentally went to the wrong theatre. When I saw the sign saying Body of Lies, I assumed that was the movie about Bush. I think my mistake was understandable. "

" Colin Powell announces his support for Obama. I can't wait to hear the RNC/Fox news channel spin that one. I'll bet it will be fair and balanced. "

" John McCain's campaign is expressing outrage over a New York Times story that focuses on Cindy McCain's marriage to the Arizona senator, including her miscarriages, her past addiction to painkillers and her failure in Washington to fit in.

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Poor Cindy, she must be the most misunderstood trophy wife in the county. Drug theft and use and adultery seem to be modern day Republican values, or as our friend Martha says, core beliefs, and shame on the NYT for pointing this out in their article on Barbie. "

" TQ--

Call me crazy, but if you're going to be on these boards speaking your mind shouldn't you be able to actually read the responses?

Will someone please read the following to TQ and FB and HP?

I am not a Republican. I am non-partisan. I have however leaned more toward the left than the right in the past. I have never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my lifetime. I have voted in every Presidential election since 1988. I do not LOVE McCain, Palin, the GOP, or right-wing anything. I simply am choosing the lesser of two evils. I have a HUGE problem with people who cry about bias unless it's on their end (ie: ACORN-non-partisan my a$$, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc.). I don't agree that people who work their a$$es off to get a good education and make good money should be punished for it by being taxed so those who don't even pay taxes can get a stimulus check. I want my president to have more than a couple years experience as a Senator. I have no use for a president who feels that terrorists can be rehabilitated. I don't respect a president who doesn't support our troops as they defend our country's freedoms. I have a great dislike of someone who wants to bail out big companies (who then throw big $$ celebratory parties) rather than buy up bad mortgages to save the people. Obama is a bad seed. He's a product of Illinois politics. He has been evasive and secretive regarding his past and current associations. He ended his relationship with Rev. Wright only after the Rev.'s sermons were brought to light. He's not trustworthy, and if anyone believes a word he says they will get what they deserve if he gets into office. Unfortunately, s#i& runs down hill so the rest of us will suffer as well.

Does McCain have his own closet 'o skeletons? Sure. I just find them less offensive to my sensibilities than Barry's. "

" I cited a laundry list of documented lies aired by your pals at Fox News, Paggy--TQ

Documented where? It isn't up to me to disprove your endless drivel. It's up to you to prove it. You posted it... now back it up. Geesh, I would have thought you knew that.

As for CSPAN... I gave it a shot today-- I watched the last debate. Wow, now there's some news for you! It does appear to be fair though--I mean, I'm not sure how re-airing debates could be unfair. Good call. "

" Oh we read you all right Paggy. We just don't believe you. Slobbering all over Fox news and right wingers like the hirsute Palin is a dead give away. Quit trying to hide behind that independent claim. It ain't working, and we ain't buying it. By the way, are you betting on the outcome? Old John and Mooseilini are going down. LOL!

We really don't need her in the White house rolling around on the floor and speaking in tongues, now do we? You do know that's what those Pentecostals do, don't you Paggy? Just think, Benny Hinn and Pat Robertson would probably have a cabinet position, if that nut-job got in.

You have to wonder what is going through the minds of the many qualified Republicans who wanted that VP job. "

" You can claim I'm a Republican til the cows come home, but you prove nothing except your inability to comprehend English. I'm not even an Independent as you put it... I'm NON-PARTISAN. Partisan politics has put us in the mess we're in and we all know it... some of us however are simply too stupid or proud to admit it and do something about it.

Call me right-wing, Republican, conservative or whatever, but the truth still remains--this will be the first Republican presidential vote cast by me ever. It just kills you to know that my whole life I've voted left until Barry, your Messiah, came along. Oh well, you'll get over it--or not--either way I'm still non-partisan and you're still a vain moron. "

" So old Paggy voted for Clinton and Kerry, and seems to hate Obama. I think there is any obvious answer to that one. Now if Obama were only white... "

" I'm afraid you DO have to disprove my statements, Paggy, if you are going to call them lies. Your grasp of reasoned argument seems tenuous.
The Fox News lies I cited are all well known, Paggy. Dozens of references to them can be accessed by your search engine. You know they're true, just as you know that Fox News is a lying right-wing propaganda machine. Like other right wingers, you like Fox News BECAUSE it's a lying right-wing propaganda machine.
I'll cite one example for you. On April 27, 2004, Bill O'Reilly said, "Theyve lost billions of dollars in France" as a direct result of his call for a boycott, referring to "The Paris Business Review" as his source, a magazine that does not exist. O'Reilly then lied two months later that the boycott caused France to lose $138 million in business compared to the previous year.
in fact, the CBC and Media Matters for America have said that French exports to the US increased during the period of O'Reilly's boycott, citing U.S. Census Bureau figures.

I'll cite one example for you. On April 27, 2004, Bill O'Reilly said, Theyve lost billions of dollars in France as a direct result of his call for a boycott, referring to "The Paris Business Review" as his source, a magazine that does not exist. O'Reilly then lied two months later that the boycott caused France to lose $138 million in business compared to the previous year.
in fact, the CBC and Media Matters for America have said that French exports to the US increased during the period of O'Reilly's boycott, citing U.S. Census Bureau figures. "

" Harry Potter wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:38 AM:
" So old Paggy voted for Clinton and Kerry, and seems to hate Obama. I think there is any obvious answer to that one. Now if Obama were only white... """"

LOL!...Doh...er...bryant...er..PAG has shown those colors for a long long time. it's the elephant he and tommie take turns leading around, hoping no one will notice. "

" It was only a matter of time... it's hard for me to type I'm laughing so hard!

Scary Hairy--

When all else fails call someone a racist. I get it. You're done. You gave it your all so don't beat yourself up over it.

TQ--

It is WIDELY known that if you make, write, or publish statements that aren't COMMON KNOWLEDGE you must cite them if you want them to be taken seriously. I don't make the rules, and if you'd ever written a scholarly paper you'd know that.

FB--

So I'm a man again? Oh, and I'm also two other posters? LOL The 3 of you are really showing YOUR colors... backed in a corner and you all come out with the same dirty fighting... name-calling, accusations of being other posters and racists... you're all giving me a great laugh. Please do keep it up. "

" Fox News has just hired another noted liar, ex-New York Times reporter Judith Miller.
Among the professional journalists I know, Miller is disgraced for publishing a series of dangerous, uncorroborated lies that led the U.S. to an unjustified invasion. Why is that considered a mark of distinction on Fox News? "

" Paggy's response to that one should be good, TQ. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an answer though, because I'm sure her response will be something along the lines of what an independent he is, and your question will go unanswered. Fox news survives because of ignorant people like our friends Paggy and Tommy A, who like to have someone else tell them what to think and say. Billo the clown truly epitomizes Fox news with his continuous lies, distortions and right wing propaganda. I predict Paggy will try to distance herself from the RNC news network.

And for those who saw Limbaugh's reaction to the Powell endorsement, wasn't that just too much? Absolutely hilarious. "

" I hate to put it this way, TQ, but see I told you so......LOL!

So Paggy is now inferring she's familiar with writing scholarly papers. I have to assume that's in reference to a paper written for her classes at the Adult Education Center in Mattoon, or at the very least, LLC. LOL!

Paggy is getting funnier as time goes on. Every village needs a moron, and in Paggy we seem to have found ours.

And about that racist comment, don't worry, I have rarely met a racist who would admit it. We all know that you're not a racist, wink wink. "

" People are grasping wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:36 PM:
" It was only a matter of time... it's hard for me to type I'm laughing so hard!"""

backed into a corner? i don't think so...or are you doing a parody on McIIId?

"we got 'em right where we want 'em!"

how comedic and typical for you Doh..er..PAG "

" ROFLMAO!....did you see the video of limbaugh going berserk? how totally entertaining!

powell backs obama..playing the race card!!...LOL!!

guess powell should have saved that 25 years in the GOP and that max donation to mcIIId's campaign. after all his decisions are totally based on race...ROFLMAO!! "

" Paggy, on Feb. 6, Neil Cavuto of Fox News said this about John McCain: "I'm also hearing a lot of people are waiting for Senator McCain to snap; for him to do something crazy and that just as he's on the verge of winning this, he's gonna go, you know, kinda like a Norman Bates deal."
In other words, Cavuto said that McCain, a candidate he now supports loudly, was likely to snap and become a serial-killing lunatic. Why the switch?
You and I both know why, but you are not honest enough to admit it. In February, Cavuto was under orders to tell lies about McCain in order to destroy him and support a Republican primary candidate preferred by his masters at Fox News. Now, Cavuto is under orders to tell lies to support McCain, the Republican candidate.
From dangerous lunatic to America's savior in eight short months. Amazing, isn't it?
The stories and the "facts" change as necessary at Fox News. The only thing you can constantly count on are the subversive Fox News lies. "

" I haven't seen you stay on an issue once since I've been on here "People are grasping," in fact as I scroll down I continue to see your "gutter slur" as I call it, plaguing the pages of these blogs, call me what you want (since thats what you have time for) in relations to harry potter but I respect somone who has decent arguments instead of a head and mouth full of poo "

" red,white,blue wrote on Oct 15, 2008 10:22 AM:
" Shumphreys, you ain't seen nothin' yet until we get a real socialist as president which is what is going to happen. People think the government intrudes in their lives too much now. Not sure how anybody thinks electing a man who counts terrorists and people who hate America among his friends is going to make this country better. "

redwhiteblue wrote on Oct 15, 2008 11:02 AM:
" Shumphreys, you ain't seen nothin' yet until we get a real socialist as president which is what is going to happen. People think the government intrudes in their lives too much now. Not sure how anybody thinks electing a man who counts terrorists and people who hate America among his friends is going to make this country better. "
==================================
red,white,blue seems to think he has to SCREAM TWICE to get people to read his
nonsense. "