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Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:29 PM CDT
COLUMN: Living God's way more valuable than wealth

By LISA BARTELT, Staff
lbartelt@jg-tc.com

Sometimes I envy the wealthy. I think that if money were no object, all my problems would be solved.

Like many of you, I’m sure, times are lean in our household. The addition of a third person, as well as our impending move across country, has forced us to live more creatively within our means.

We’re not exactly suffering, just getting by.

So, occasionally, the lives of those who have more than I do look appealing. But looks can be deceiving.

Take these two celebrity examples:

Baseball’s Alex Rodriguez, the sport’s highest-paid player with a 10-year, $275 million contract and a $12 million waterfront mansion in Coral Gables, Fla., apparently can’t buy happiness. His wife is divorcing him for alleged adultery.

And Christie Brinkley, a former swimsuit model for Sports Illustrated, couldn’t guarantee her husband’s love or fidelity with her looks, money or homes in the well-to-do Hamptons. They settled their divorce last week.

It’s not that I’m happy about these marriages breaking up; I’m just glad to know money isn’t the escape to a perfect life that it might seem.

The Bible doesn’t condemn wealth — and it’s certainly not a sin to be wealthy — but it does set priorities. Living according to God’s ways is of more value than the world’s riches.

Consider these verses:

“Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse.” (Proverbs 28:6)

“Better the little that the righteous have than the wealth of many wicked.” (Psalm 37:16)

“Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.” (1 Timothy 6:17)

If you are following God’s ways, it’s not always easy to look at the little you might have and compare it with the plenty others have, when they may not be following God.

My brother, who is three years my junior, had a higher salary his first year out of college than I’ve had in eight years out of college. He lives in Chicago, drives a newish car, and eats at nice restaurants.

My life in rural Illinois, where I drive a car that’s almost 10 years old and eat at fast food restaurants for a treat, looks poor in comparison.

But, sadly for him, I have something he doesn’t. It’s the same something that reminds me wealth doesn’t equal happiness.

The apostle Paul calls it a “secret,” but it’s an open secret, available to anyone who wants it.

He says, “I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strength.” (Philippians 4:12-13)

The “him” is Christ, as he says later in the passage, “And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.” (verse 19)

Knowing this, I still have twinges of jealousy toward those who have money, but the closer I am to Christ, the more I’ll realize that my true happiness and lasting security are found only in Him.

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VTucker wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:05 AM:

" Very nice column, Lisa--as always. My husband and I sponsor children in Haiti and in the Philippines. Whenever I have had "twinges of jealousy toward those who have money" it has been helpful to remind myself of what life is like for our sponsored children and their families--and for most of the people in this world. "

exbricklayer wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:53 PM:

" My wife and I make a very comfortable living but that pales in comparison to the sense of fulfillment that we share knowing we are not slaves to a fairytale book written by child molesters and thieves. "

just wondering wrote on Jul 19, 2008 10:43 AM:

" Thanks exbricklayer for showing us there are people out there who don't know what they are talking about. "

Locke wrote on Jul 20, 2008 9:29 AM:

" First of all, let me say I think this article is great. Why? It's not telling me I'm going to burn in hell because I do not subscribe to a specific theological viewpoint. Moreover, it serves a purpose. Whereas many of the religious articles (by non-staff members) speak down to the reader or attempt to out-thump their peers with dogmatic bravado, this article tries to lift up people.

Face it, the economy stinks and this article gives the people something -- it gives them hope and puts things in a proper context. Money can't buy you happiness, and if your happiness is derived from religion, just be happy.

Very well done. "

The Truth wrote on Jul 20, 2008 5:27 PM:

" A burning hell is a fairytale and not Biblical truth.

While this is a nice article and all it doesn't bring real truth and comfort to those who are suffering.

Sponsoring children in another country is a way to ease your conscience. You are giving your money to a false religious organization who probably is lying to you about what they are really doing with your money - they are padding their luxuriant lifestyle.

Why don't you so-called Christians actually spend your time doing something that will actually help your fellow man? Teach them something that will bring them hope for the future? Washing my car windows at Casey's does not bring me comfort or hope for the future, it just shows me that there are zealots out there who are trying to look good. If you want to do good, imitate the work that Jesus did. "

VTucker wrote on Jul 20, 2008 9:29 PM:

" To The Truth: One of the organizations we support has a religious affiliation (Mennonite) while the other does not. Both are open and accountable with respect to their financial records. When our children were small, we liked to involve them in our sponsorships so they could understand the hardships of other people in the world. Now that our own kids are grown, we just try to help as many children as we can.

Jesus was all about taking care of the sick and poor. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2008 9:11 AM:

" it's amazing a newspaper would dedicate one reporter to talk about one sole religion in a commentary column. "

Equalizer wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:35 PM:

" Believing in God is not one sole religion.
Our country has had money for how many years that says...In God We Trust, and that hasn't stopped shumphreys or anyone else from using the money now, has it? "

arrogant wrote on Jul 21, 2008 2:59 PM:

" I'm with fatherbob. The presence of a dedicate reporter for religious commentary is in direct violation of our Constitutional Right to not be offended.

We need a dedicated column for unbelief and hopelessness. We need to counter the effects of all of this "God love".

Who knows how many people will go through this life without the hopeless thought, that there might not be a god; ever occurring to them.

Fatherbob and I have an obligation to present this revolutionary thought to all the mindless cattle out there.

Since all humanity naturally slides out of the womb with an innate blind faith in fairy-tale beings, it is up to open-minded individuals like fatherbob and me to close down that part of their silly minds.

Fatherbob and I shall remain faithful to our faithlessness. We shall believe in our disbelief. And we will keep our minds closed to all of this closed mindedness. "

father bob wrote on Jul 21, 2008 3:09 PM:

" Equalizer wrote on Jul 21, 2008 12:35 PM:
" Believing in God is not one sole religion.""""

Ms Bartlet's last paragraph : "Knowing this, I still have twinges of jealousy toward those who have money, but the closer I am to Christ, the more Ill realize that my true happiness and lasting security are found only in Him."

we'll wait for you to come up with a column she's written about any religion other than christianity....and the last time i looked, paul and his writings were in the new testament, not the Torah or Koran. "

HerChild wrote on Jul 21, 2008 6:02 PM:

" fatherbob...and I will wait for you and shumnphreys to not accept or use money in any way, shape, or form #L! "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 21, 2008 7:25 PM:

" How ridiculous can people get, upset because I use money with "In God We Trust" on it. When I was in France, England, and elsewhere I used their money even if I didn't support their politics. Money is money and belongs to Ceasar not to Christ or God. "

HerChild wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:39 PM:

" I am not at all upset, I am laughing! :-} "

Equalizer wrote on Jul 21, 2008 8:56 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Jul 21, 2008 7:25 PM:
" How ridiculous can people get, upset because I use money with "In God We Trust" on it. When I was in France, England, and elsewhere I used their money even if I didn't support their politics. Money is money and belongs to Ceasar not to Christ or God. "

Hi Susan! If I make the assumption that you are talking about me since I brought it up...let me say it was a mere observation on my part. Maybe a 'ridiculous' observation (laugh) but even so...I am not upset, nor should you be.

As for CAesar give CAesar his due...but give GOD GOD's due as well. If you're going to make references to the Bible, then of course give to Caesar, (Not Caesar's Palace, haha) follow the other half and give GOD what belongs to GOD also, don't play it both ways. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 22, 2008 7:52 AM:

" "Equalizer" what do you mean don't play it both ways? How does use of a Bible quote play it both ways? I was just pointing out what the Bible tells Her Child to do. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 AM:

" To Her Child, I am curious about your name, it appears to claim that you are a worshipper of the Goddess. But all Goddess worshipers I have ever met have been respectful of other peoples beliefs. Why aren't you? "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 22, 2008 9:40 AM:

" VTucker, I agree, sponsoring a child does remind us of how it is for many that don't have the blessings we enjoy here. My child lives in Kenya. She always draws little pictures of her life and her village on the flap of the envelope she sends me. She's six years old. "

Mattooner at Heart wrote on Jul 22, 2008 9:51 AM:

" Very nice article, Lisa. Very well put and not the slightest condemning. You've just become one of my favorites. "

Mattooner at Heart wrote on Jul 22, 2008 9:53 AM:

" The Truth wrote on Jul 20, 2008 5:27 PM:
"Why don't you so-called Christians actually spend your time doing something that will actually help your fellow man?"
===============
Tell me . . . what's the difference between a Christian and a so-called Christian? "

Mattooner at Heart wrote on Jul 22, 2008 9:56 AM:

" The Truth wrote on Jul 20, 2008 5:27 PM: "If you want to do good, imitate the work that Jesus did."
============
Since we can't turn water into wine and we can't raise the dead, we can't completely imitate all the work that Jesus did. However, Jesus came to serve and not to be served. Cleaning your windows at Caseys is serving. What would you suggest we do to bring you hope for the future that we're not doing? "

father bob wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:08 AM:

CHILL! wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:24 AM:

" shumphreys wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 AM:
" To Her Child, I am curious about your name, it appears to claim that you are a worshipper of the Goddess. But all Goddess worshipers I have ever met have been respectful of other peoples beliefs. Why aren't you? "

I've not seen one thing that HerChild said that is disrespectful. I don't see how their name claims that they are a worshiper of any goddess either, unless your name means you need to be humped.

Chill, laughing is not disrespectful, it is good for the heart, soul, and world!

If you laughed at yourself and others some, you might enjoy your short stay here on earth and let others enjoy theirs as well.

Laugh and let laugh, live and let live. You have too much time on your hands, use it so you don't lose it. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 22, 2008 3:04 PM:

" Honestly Chill I already explained to everyone that the nickname is Humps.You obviously aren't familiar with the proper use of the pronouns "He" and "She". "His Child" is obviously referring to the fact that he considers himself to be a child of God. HER child would likewise refer to the fact that she considers herself to be a child of a female God and the female God is called the Goddess. Elementary my dear Watson. She still hasn't answered the question why she isn't respectful of those that belief diffeently from her self. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 22, 2008 3:39 PM:

" Oh, one more thing Chill, perhaps you should learn to take some things more seriously. It might do you a whole lot of good. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 22, 2008 6:44 PM:

" Love is what makes the world go round - add a few laughs along the way, & you'll have the perfect combination. "

arrogant wrote on Jul 22, 2008 7:21 PM:

" I'm sorry Mr. Rotty, but The Question and I reject "love" as an intangible fairy-tale that lacks empirical evidence.

There is no such thing as god. There is no such thing as love. And the world surely spins around in a random pattern of meaninglessness. "

HerChild wrote on Jul 22, 2008 7:33 PM:

" shumphreys wrote on Jul 22, 2008 3:04 PM:
" Honestly Chill I already explained to everyone that the nickname is Humps.You obviously aren't familiar with the proper use of the pronouns "He" and "She". "His Child" is obviously referring to the fact that he considers himself to be a child of God. HER child would likewise refer to the fact that she considers herself to be a child of a female God and the female God is called the Goddess. Elementary my dear Watson. She still hasn't answered the question why she isn't respectful of those that belief diffeently from her self. "

Well, first off, you don't know that I am a she.

Secondly, you could not be further from the truth about my name or my worshiping any goddess since none exist.

Third but not last, I have a lot more respect for people than you do, regardless of how they believe/don't believe.

Why is it that you insist that HisChild is a he, and HerChild is a she? Hmmm, you are rather assuming and often. Sometimes looking at things superficially keeps you from seeing the real truth beneath.

The difference between you and I are many, and I would not be wasting my time printing my experiments on this sight and putting people on the defensive if I were you, because I would know that I know all and nobody is going to change my mind, so why mess with the worms below my feet who won't listen anyways.

Just because someone tells you something that you don't want to hear, or you disagree with...you call it disrespectful. Yet you seem to disagree with many others and seem to share the opinion that are open-minded and respectful to others.

However others may not feel that you're respectful towards them just as you obviously feel I am not towards you. Having self esteem is good, having too much is considered conceded.
Respect? Try it, you might earn some. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 22, 2008 8:42 PM:

" To Her Child I make assumptions based on the tone of your voices and words. If you are a He I can't help it if you sound effeminate. I set out to expose the extent of the double standards, hypocrisy, and evil in many of the "Christians" in this area. In the process I had to take the part of the devils advocate and I did it quite well. The worms crawled out of the woodwork. I have shown that I can trade snide remark for snide remark, insult for insult,and that I know as much if not more about the Bible as most of the posters on here and certainly more than enough to hang many on their own petard. Don't blame me for the side of your self that you have shown to the world. I explained from the beginning what I was doing and the tactics I was using. The fact is that I have no qualms about taking responsibility for my words and actions, I post under my own name, I accept responsibility for my errors, and apologize when I make a mistake. Why I even apologized to you once and I grant recognition for good arguments when they are made. I know how difficult it is for someone to have their world view challenged. If you don't like it why do you log on to this site? The purpose here is to give alternate points of view a fair and equal forum to express those points. It is too bad that too many aren't able to discuss ideas wihout resorting to name calling, insults, or snide remarks. Remember I have never been the one to start these tactics but I am quite willing to play these games when others start them. AND that is all they are childish games and get us knowwhere. Are you ready to discuss different ideas with respect and openness? I have made this offer before. I am ready if you are. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 22, 2008 9:39 PM:

" To HerChild: I don't get your name, either. HisChild implies someone who believes that he or she (the gender of the poster isn't listed) is His (God's/Jesus') Child, in other words a child of God. What is the Her in HerChild referring to if not that the poster believes himself or herself to also be a Child of God, but since the pronoun is feminine, thus the Child of a Female God? That's what your name suggests to those who understand the rules of English grammar, so if that's NOT your intention, your name is confusing. "

arrogant wrote on Jul 22, 2008 9:49 PM:

" shumphreys is right. She needs to use double-standards to reveal the christian double-standards. She needs to keep her mind closed toward their closed-mindedness.

shumphreys will use evil, snide, and hateful tactics to reveal the evil, snide and hateful hypocrisy of you evil, snide and hateful christians.

When all of you finally reach the pinnacle of enlightenment that shumphreys has attained; then you too can pass on your new-found wisdom by being evil, snide and hateful. And then the world will be a much better, happier, and righteous place; though it will still be just as godless, random, and meaningless as it ever was. And thus, this entire exercise is all for naught. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:18 PM:

" VTucker and Billie, I always liked the idea of sponsoring a child overseas, but I've been leery of getting scammed; I just don't know which of the organizations are legitimate and which aren't. (The photographs they send, or even a child's drawing could be faked or a ploy.) I usually try to give to Unicef (a name I trust) or to help out with local groups I know of who are going on trips to help out in impoverished countries (EIU has a group dedicated to helping in Haiti, for example, and collects school supplies, clothing, mosquito netting, toiletries, toys, food, money to use for building supplies, etc.). But I find it encouraging that you've had good experiences. Would you feel comfortable listing the names of the organizations you help? (Or is it through your church or a similar local group?) "

CHILL! wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM:

" Thank you Humpty for exposing yourself, your hatefulness, and your inability to accept anyone, their opinions or answers.
You have brought a new much needed light to our being in hell here on earth, there is none lower than you oh queen.
We sure hope you feel superior to each and every one of us lowly posters, because then and only then may you find somewhere else to go to find others to feel superior to, it's an illness and you have so enlightened our souls now to recognize it in others. Sadly we find it not in any other but you oh queen of the lowly and deceitful.
Just because you yell out I'm shooting you...as pull the trigger, doesn't make it acceptable or right. You have played your games and accused everyone else of doing so when all they have done is try to answer you respectfully. So sad, but you cannot accept respect, that is why you cannot dole any out Cruella DaVille.

The shoe fits, wear it, and please keep on walking away, take all your games with you. And don't make the mistake of telling others they don't have to log in if they don't like it...they have just as much right to air their 'opinions' as you do, the only difference being...most of us know they are our opinions...but you know they are your facts. You hold no opinions, only facts, so carry on with your cruelty, but perhaps an S&M sight or something would be a better suited place for you to do so. Give our best to your Ex! "

VTucker wrote on Jul 22, 2008 11:11 PM:

" Tammer65, I'm glad to give you the names of the groups we contribute to. We've been sponsoring children (and families) through these groups for over twenty years. The First is Children International, listed by Consumers Digest magazine as one of America's top humanitarian organizations; they have a web site, www.children.org.

The other group, Christian Aid Ministries, is a conservative anabaptist group and fairly small. Though we don't agree with their theology, we really like what these people do, not to mention the efficient way they reach out to help people in a number of countries. Our sponsorship with this group involves providing meals for a group of Haitian schoolchildren.

CHILL and arrogant--you may not realize it, but you're beginning to come across like stalkers here.... "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 22, 2008 11:24 PM:

" tammer, I sponsored this child after a presentation at my church. World Vision is the name of the organization. You can look them up on the internet. You can actually pick the chid you want to sponsor. This in itself can be difficult because you want to take all of them! I just kept scrolling through all the pictures until for some reason this little girl's face called out to me.I don't know why, it just did.

Toby and I had talked about doing this, but hadn't gotten around to it,for one reason or another. After seeing the presentation at church this Spring, I felt compelled to act. The small amount of $38.00 per month helps this child and her family.

I just received the the first progress report on her schooling about a month ago. She has a "helper" that writes the letters, at least so far, because she just turned six this year.As I said earlier, she draws little pictures on the flap of the envelope. Maybe in this way she feels as though she is actually contributing to the content of the letter. I'm sure as her writing skills increase, she'll write the letters herself.

This organization helps children from many countries. I felt comfortable with it because my church backs it.

Hope this helps. Good luck. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:20 AM:

" They are just Bullies Vicky, like the average school yard Bully. The only way they can feel big is to beat up on others. It works with children but not with adults who are already stronger and at a higher stage of spiritual evolution than they are. Notice how arrogant can only parody what others say. He doesn't have an original thought in his head. Chill insists on name calling as his favorite form of intelligent discourse. There are lots of worthwhile child advocate organizations but you do have to be careful which one you pick. I think that our Attorney Generals office has a list of Illinois groups. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:23 AM:

" I hadn't thought of it at first Vicky but stalking is a criminal offense, bullying isn't. I'll hang on to copies of their posts to give to the police if it should ever come to that. "

Late Bird wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:24 AM:

" OMG! You have got to be kidding me.
Chaos instigator of these forums holds onto copies for what?

I sure hope you held on to all the copies of your previous posts since you entered this site and started your games. You need help shumphreys. "

arrogant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:36 AM:

" VTucker and shumphreys, I'm sure you don't realize it, but you're continuing to come across like the hypocritical dolts that you are in here. "

father bob wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:41 AM:

" CHILL! wrote on Jul 22, 2008 10:31 PM:
" Thank you Humpty for exposing yourself, your hatefulness, and your inability to accept anyone, their opinions or answers.
You have brought a new much needed light to our being in hell here on earth, there is none lower than you oh queen.""""

um....i think you just set that new standard, and have proven her point. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 11:15 AM:

" Some of you really belong out at 3 west.

Boo Hoo Hoo, my online feelings were hurt, I think I'm being online stalked, I think they're online bullies, we might have to call the online police, we all better start keeping online records, Oh Boo Hoo Hoo.

GET A GRIP!

This is a fargon forum, & comment venue, it's not real, none of it is!
Nothing here is 100% believable, or verifiable, from anyone!
It's a man-made venture, where someone is rolling in the bucks!
Our feelings expressed may be realistic, but this is NOT the REAL world, it's the INTERNET!

You're typing into an electronical box, that sends out electronical waves, out across the planet, to other electronical boxes!
Your looking at & responding to electronical pictures, & typed in programming code into an electronical box, & typed in messages, that goes out through an electronic cable!

Get the picture, yet?

TYPE how you may, whether it be pro or con, whether you're from either side of the political aisle, if you dish it out, you better be able to take it.

I, myself, may be one of the goofiest & most wrong posters on here, & you can follow me around to every thread on this site, or you can call me every low-down dirty name on the planet, but it's just typed messages, typed into an electronical box, being sent to my electronical box, through an electronic cable!

My true feelings will not be hurt or changed, & no matter what I type, I can not hurt your true feelings or change you, as well.

And as for those who degrade anonymous posting, your crap has been debunked time & time again, now stick that crap up your buns sideways!

And too think, I thought I was a bit of a nut case on here - Geesh!

Some of you got me beat by a long-shot, hands down, no contest!

Now, remember everyone, I ONLINE LOVE YOU!

WOW!
LOL! "

just wondering wrote on Jul 23, 2008 2:20 PM:

" Arrogant, love your postings. You are good at and probably one of the first impressionists of on-line personalities. Kind of like the Rich Little of the internet. Rotty, love makes the world go round, but money greases the axis. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 3:00 PM:

" Why are so many of you afraid to admit the one problem with this kind of an online forum, anonymous postings. You have all proven my point, no responsibility for words or actions. Some on here have explained why they post anonymously, their job situation. Hate mail is hate mail whether sent to a home or sent via email or sent on this forum. If each and every one of you had to post under your real name you would post quite differently and just maybe we could have a civil discourse of differing opinions. I am amazed how how you keep proving me right. "

arrogant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 3:30 PM:

" shumphreys, behold the awesome backlash brought about by your infantile sobbing.

If you lack the "moral" courage, if you lack the strength of your silly little convictions, then I would suggest that you think twice before reading my brilliant and insightful wisdom.

My words are but a mirror; you provide the reflection my dear. Listen and learn, oh small one.

There is much wisdom in Mr. Rotty's words. Read them slowly. Read them often. Let them speak to you on many levels. There is much truth in his strength of conviction. His words are wise beyond his years.

The things we love, the things we hate; tell us exactly who we are.
The things we fear, tell us what we are not. "

Raptor wrote on Jul 23, 2008 3:34 PM:

" That was an amazing thread of comments. At times very entertaining. Don't any of you have jobs? "

arrogant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 3:34 PM:

" just wondering, thank you. You recognize wisdom.

May random nothingness shine upon you and grant you all the meaninglessness that this empty and insignificant life has to offer. "

HisChild wrote on Jul 23, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Oh for Pete's sake, Shumphreys is still terrorizing everyone and claiming that she is rising above her ego? How stupendously childish. She must be bored outta her brain with some of the explanations I am seeing around here.

Rotty, you are right on, and I online love you too! :-)

Arrogant, you have a quite unique style, but I am entertained as you do make a lot of sense too!

FatherBob, I think Chill makes a lot of sense too, in fact, you are a bit more abrasive in what you say, but some of your points are good!

Equalizer, I like you too, and your name suits you well. I think it would be cool to make a meeting place and all meet each other. If we did, I think Equalizer should be the peacemaker and nobody else should reveal whom they are. *LOL!*

I've been falsely accused of many things in the past by shumphreys, that is just what she likes to do, it's a sick game.

It's kind of like hide and seek...then she always says I told you so, or you just proved my point. It doesn't matter if you answer or don't answer, if she disagrees with your views, she twists things so that she can somehow feel superior to all. Attack and then cry wolf. I feel sorry for them if she grew up with any brothers or sisters. They have got to all need help. And I sure hope she has no kids, what a horrible thought! OK, now watch, I will be attacked...or not...(just because I said that) *Laughing!*

God bless everyone,
have fun and laugh.
Don't take life so seriously, if you someone like shumphreys who does, it's up to you what to do, but I would say, stay away from them or play with them, but always remember to pray for them.
And always remember to enjoy life.
God blessed us with the life we have, let's be thankful for it and put it to good use. *LOL!* I step down now,
God bless everyone!

As for not understanding HerChild's name, how funny...who's child are you? "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 4:52 PM:

" Heavens His Child have I ever accused you of being anything that you haven't shown us that you are? "

HisChild wrote on Jul 23, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Oh come on now, you know that you have! *LOL!*
You probably just wanted to see if I'd answer, and I did.
Hello there shumphreys! Have a great day! "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 6:13 PM:

" His Child what I would like to see is for this endless hate, name calling, back biting to stop. I have never been the one to throw the first punch and I can throw it back as good as I get. I know how difficult it is to come across someone who isn't intirmidated or afraid. I now see why the Catholics hate the Protestants and vice versa and why it took how many years to find a very unsteady truce. I am willing to forgive you your transgressions if you are willing to forgive me mine. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 6:31 PM:

" Here Susan, have a tissue, sweetie.

Please don't be afraid of us all.

We don't bite, really.

Everytime you post, your short-commings are proven even stronger.

It's not hate, sweetie, it's unreal electronical responses sent out to your electronical box, from our electronical boxes, over what they call the internet, through an electronic cable.

And, for the record, if I were able to use my real full name, my posting style wouldn't change a bit, as I would imagine nobody else's would, either.

The anonymous posting rants have been debunked, end of story.

There is no problem here, it's an open forum/comment venue, that all can post their expressions, feelings, pros & cons, etc..

Now, please post away, we all online love you, no matter what you online type.

Online, OK?
LOL! "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Hey, now that's a novel idea....

Agreeing To Disagree....

I think I've heard that idea presented before, no?
LOL! "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 7:21 PM:

" Rotty why don't you grow up? "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 7:44 PM:

" Another novel idea, Susan - you first. "

CHILL! wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:03 PM:

" Hey Rotty! "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:31 PM:

" I said it first who don't you try something original? "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:35 PM:

" Hey Rotty and HisChild-- Rock and smile on! :-) "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:44 PM:

" Since so many of you find the expression of opposing points of view a threat to your well being I will address all of my posts to those that are curious. That way you will be warned that the posting will not be to your liking and you can pass over it. I won't address any of you directly again. "

The 7th Planet wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:58 PM:

" and to quote little richard in his hit "tutti frutti" - "bop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom!" "

arrogant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:07 PM:

" It looks as though shumphreys has truly reached the pinnacle of her open-minded spiritual "growth" with those immortal words: I said it first why don't you try something original?

Ah yes, enlightenment well out!

Thats it susan, dont you dare tolerate opposing views. Keep your mind closed to criticism. Teach them all how to recruit others to your side by using your trademark; rude, snide, insulting, whiny, cowardly, and overall boorish behavior.

Teach them susan. Teach them well.

Maybe someday they can pass on your shining example until finally, the entire world is snide, insulting, whiny, cowardly, and overall boorish.

This must be humanitys innate tendency towards "moral decency" that you speak so highly of, isnt it shumphreys.

Welcome to my side little troll. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:11 PM:

" Thanks, Billie, you too hun!
heeheehee

Susan, you & your typing are not a threat, far from it, sweetie pie.
You make me laugh.
And as it's been said, laughter is good medicine!
Thank You, Susan!
LOL!

I will agree to disagree, & let Mrs. Agnostic pants have her thread back, before she gets her panties in a wad again.

She's akin to an unrealistic wannabe.
Before I go, here's ya another online tissue, sweetie, just in case ya need one.

She says she won't address any of us directly again.

I don't buy it, not even for a dollar.
LOL!

By the way, Susan, don't forget to look under your bed tonight!

BOO!
LOL! "

arrogant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Fear not shumphreys, I shall address you often and with brilliance.

Your response is not necessary. I will respond for you. Leave the wisdom to me. You will simply make a mess of it.

When all else fails, accept failure.
When preaching nothingness, be prepared to receive nothing.
When declaring wisdom, be wise enough to recognize it in all its forms. "

HisChild wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:27 PM:

" :-) Hi Billie! Hi Rotty! :-)
Please cut and paste this....heehee!
Hope it works!

http://www.hallmark.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ecard|10001|10051|682091|147551;-102001;181568;181569|ecard|P1R16S|ecards?&totalCategories=66&sortBySelect=&categoryId=181569 "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:37 PM:

" To the curious there are ways to hold civil discourse and ways to not hold civil discourse. I will strive to hold civil discourse and I encourage others to do the same. Then maybe we can begin to address some of these issues that divide us. "

HisChild wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:50 PM:

" Sorry, it didn't work, gotta figure something else out if that's possible. *LOL!*
I know that I knew everything...what happened??? "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 9:52 PM:

" Hi HisChild!
Nope, didn't work.
Please use "tinyurl.com" to shorten the website address, your's got butchered.
Thanks!
:-) "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:06 PM:

" Oh, & Hey Hey Chill!
LOL "

HisChild wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:06 PM:

" OK, I don't understand this, but here goes!!! :-)
http://tinyurl.com/6hkwdz "

HisChild wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:14 PM:

" WOW! It worked, but it didn't! It's the wrong one! :-)

Here...this one's what I intended to send!

http://tinyurl.com/5oqe8t

Enjoy! :-) "

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:57 PM:

" Excellant, HisChild!
ahahahaha
LOL!
Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!
LOL!
Thanks! "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 11:15 PM:

" HisChild- Thanks for the :-)'s You too Rotty! "

Rotty wrote on Jul 24, 2008 7:19 AM:

" Backatcha, Billie!
It's most appreciated!
:-) "

arrogant wrote on Jul 24, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Yes thats right. shumphreys and I will strive to hold civil discourse and encourage others to do the same.

And in that same vein, we have shown that we can trade snide remark for snide remark, insult for insult, and that we know as much if not more about the bible as most of you idiotic posters on here and certainly more than enough to hang many of you imbeciles on your own petard. Don't blame shumphreys and me for the side of your self that you have shown to the world. We explained from the beginning what we were doing and the tactics we were using.

We are quite willing to play these games.

Now lets have an open-minded and civil discourse, so shumphreys and I wont have to resort to snide remarks, insults, and name calling.

We are willing to work with you idiots, whether you like it or not.

We will not let your pride get in the way; we are much too proud for that!

We have determined that all opposing views are closed-minded; are minds are made-up on that.

shumphreys and I have looked into ourselves and have concluded that we know the path to enlightenment. Just look at our methods if you dont believe us. We have decided that we know what is best for all of you hapless dolts. We have decided that you christians need our help. And we will give it to you. You need it. You just dont know it.

shumphreys and I will lead by our loving example. Just dont p*ss us off. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:28 AM:

" Thanks for sharing about the children you sponsor, Billie and VTucker, and for giving me some guidance on organizations that you have found reputable.

More Americans need to follow your lead -- when we realize how much we have in this great nation, even in the midst of an economic downturn, compared to so many nations on the earth, we can better open our hearts for the betterment of humanity, not just America. "

Jay C. wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:36 AM:

" shumpries said---- I will just post to those who are curious.. BEWARE!Remember what happened to the cat. Remember?
Curiosity KILLED the cat...LOL.. "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:54 AM:

" tammer- I forgot to mention that I'm given updates on the little one's health also. That part of the world, Nairobi Kenya is ravaged by AIDS. She lives in a small village near there. So far she is a healthy little girl. "

shumphreys wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:59 AM:

" To the Curious. Some may wonder why I chose to address these comments to the curious? According to my dictionary, curiosity is an eager desire to know. Some may warn you that curiosity killed the cat. Those folks dont know cats, curiosity just gets cats into curious situations. Curiosity is what led to the discovery of bacteria that cause our diseases and the penicillin that cures us. Curiosity will solve the energy crises, find ways to feed the hungry, solve the problems of our big cities and dying rural communities. Curiosity is an inherent part of our nature, part of being human. Embrace it. "

VTucker wrote on Jul 24, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Tammer, it sounds as if Children International operates very much like the organization Billie mentioned, which I think was World Vision. I can't recommend sponsorship enough. You feel very close to the children you sponsor. My child, a little boy from the Philippines, writes 3 or 4 times a year. I can reply back to him on line, and someone will translate the letter into his language. His family and even his community are likewise supported. It is such a simple (and fun) way to make a difference. "

The Question wrote on Jul 24, 2008 10:34 AM:

" As Steven Wright said, curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect. "

HisChild wrote on Jul 24, 2008 11:00 AM:

" CHILL! wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:03 PM
" Hey Rotty! "

Billie Brant wrote on Jul 23, 2008 8:35 PM:
" Hey Rotty and HisChild-- Rock and smile on! :-)

Rotty wrote on Jul 23, 2008 10:06 PM:
" Oh, & Hey Hey Chill!
LOL "
"

http://tinyurl.com/5a7mak "

arrogant wrote on Jul 24, 2008 2:23 PM:

" Yes shumphreys is curious. She's curious why everyone doesn't believe exactly like she believes. She's curious why everyone can't see how enlightened she is. She's curious to know why people refuse to see the greatness of her self-ordained wisdom. She's curious to know why people won't open their minds to her closed-mindedness.

But mostly, I'm curious. I'm curious why someone who is as "enlightened" as shumphreys, is still curious. I'm curious why someone who has attained the wisdom that shumphreys has attained would still be curious. I'm curious to know if shumphreys is curious about her own fallibility. I'm curious to know if shumphreys is curious that there may be wisdom that she has not attained. I'm curious to know if the wisdom that has yet to be revealed to shumphreys in the future, will contradict her curious beliefs of the present.

Yes I am curious. I am curious to know how shumphreys can close her mind to closed-mindedness, yet still not be curious about her contradictory belief that her closed-mind remains open.

I'm curious to know why shumphreys is curious about the fallibility of the worlds beliefs, but not about her own beliefs.

I'm curious to know how shumphreys can be so ignorant. I'm curious to know why shumphreys is confusing her ignorance for curiosity. I'm curious to know if shumphreys is curious about her own curiosity.

This is all so curious. Don't blame the curious cat, he keeps his curiosity to himself. He's curious why shumphreys isn't curious about his example. "

Mattooner at Heart wrote on Jul 24, 2008 5:35 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 24, 2008 10:34 AM: "As Steven Wright said, curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."

Finally! A genius whose viewpoint you and I can agree on! I remember just the other day . . . . no . . . . that wasn't me. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 24, 2008 5:47 PM:

" Hey!
LOL!
Hey, HisChild!
Thanks again.
LOL!
:-) "

just wondering wrote on Jul 24, 2008 9:41 PM:

" Steven Wright also said he'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize. "

The Question wrote on Jul 25, 2008 8:39 AM:

" The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese, as Steven Wright observed. "

HisChild wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:06 PM:

" HEY! *LOL!*
Thanks for showing me TinyUrl.com Rotty!

http://tinyurl.com/5l6tpk

Use your curser and watch their eyes *LOL!* "

Rotty wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:55 PM:

" OK, will do, & Ya Welcome, HisChild.
LOL "