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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
Lake Island Tract resident pickets at the city's front door

By ROB STROUD, Staff Writer
rstroud@jg-tc.com

CHARLESTON — A Lake Island Tract resident has taken his ongoing dispute with the city to the front door of City Hall.

Robert “Sandy” Patterson carried a picket sign that stated “Your Tax Dollars at Waste” and “Fiscal Responsibility?” as he walked Monday morning outside of City Hall, where renovations are ongoing.

Mayor John Inyart responded by defending work he said is needed to meet handicapped accessibility requirements and renovate a building that has not been upgraded in approximately 40 years.

Patterson said he decided to picket after a police officer on Friday delivered a notice that he would be evicted in five days if he did not pay the current installment on his housing lease at the Lake Island Tract, which is owned by the city.

It is suspicious that the notice arrived the day after the newspaper ran a letter to the editor from him that was critical of the city administration, Patterson said.

According to Patterson, he has dealt with a fallen tree from city property causing $2,600 in damage to his garage and a constantly leaking main causing low water pressure in his neighborhood.

“Lock, stock and barrel, the city owes me money,” Patterson said. He explained this is why he has not paid the current $231 installment on his yearly $462 lease payment.

One of Patterson’s neighbors, Lin Harrison, said she and others have pooled together to make this payment.

Patterson said he decided to fight back by protesting financial waste that he said has occurred during the City Hall renovation. Patterson said he has heard of the city tearing out new oak trim and incurring a return fee on marble.

Inyart responded that the notice on Friday followed previous notices that Patterson’s rent was due. He said Friday’s notice that Patterson’s rent is overdue was sent out through a regular notification process and had nothing to do with his letter to the editor.

Inyart declined to comment on Patterson’s statement that he should not have to pay the installment because the city owes him money.

In regard to the renovations, Inyart said he is not aware of any oak trim being removed from City Hall and marble has not been part of the project. He said the city did not order enough ceramic tiles for upstairs restrooms and needed to order more, but did not incur a fee for doing this.

The mayor said the renovations were driven by the need to replace City Hall’s aging, undersized elevator. He said the city could not make the old elevator shaft bigger without gutting the whole building and needed to keep the shaft for ventilation purposes. He said this was why a new shaft was built on the front of the building.

Inyart said the new elevator, handicapped accessible restrooms, and doorways have been needed to meet handicapped accessibility requirements. He said the renovations also have helped improve City Hall’s appearance.

“The place was a bunker with few windows. It looked bad from the outside. It looked bad from the inside. It’s the first place many visitors to this community see,” Inyart said. He added he has no problem spending money to renovate a public building that has not been upgraded in approximately 40 years.

Patterson has been vocal in protesting the current city council’s decision not to change the uniform 2009 expiration date of the leases on the Lake Island Tract. The council that was seated in 1992 set this expiration date. Once the leases expire, the lease holders would presumably no longer be able to live on the tract.

On Monday, Patterson’s sign and T-shirt read “Recall John Inyart,” “Fire (City Manager) Scott Smith,” and “Remodel Charleston City Council.”

“I have gone out of my way to make an effort for Sandy and the others to be heard on the lake issue,” Inyart said.

The mayor added he helped arrange public hearings at which the tract residents were able to testify before the Charleston zoning board and city council.

Contact Rob Stroud at rstroud@jg-tc.com or 348-5734.

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das wrote on Jul 14, 2008 10:34 PM:

" I've worked with Mayor Inyart and let's just say, he's not the most friendly or willing person there is out there. In out meetings (though he only seemed to be able to make one of them out of about 3-4) he was very pompous, very rude, and did not seem to want to have anything to do with the people of the community. I can understand where Mr. Patterson is probably experiencing some difficulties with city hall and with Mr. Inyart. Inyart seems to have the mindset that if you're not one of his buddies or not on his "level" then you don't have much of a say. I agree with Mr. Patterson, though luckily only a Charleston resident for a couple more weeks, but Inyart needs to go and the renovations are extremely nice, maybe a little too nice for Charleston when you look at many other parts of the city and see something completely different. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 15, 2008 6:16 AM:

" No renovations in 40 years? It seems that this place has been under constant remodeling for the past five years. Did anyone else remember windows...then no windows...then windows. It must have been an illusion....as was, apparently, the oak trim installed during the last illusionary renovation. "

longtimegone wrote on Jul 15, 2008 7:40 AM:

" the mayor or king of the dung heap? "

St. Peter Chanel wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:14 AM:

" This is not news but a comic. Mr. Patterson has embarrassed himself on this one! To be fortunate enough to have this low of a lease payment and ungrateful enough to pay it. What a freeloader.

This comic belonged on the front page in the "Top This" section or with the comics not on the front page. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 15, 2008 10:26 AM:

" I can remember when Mr. Inyart was our neighbor many many years ago, pretty good lad at the time, & his father who ran the shoe store up on the square.

At first, I was kind of happy to see him get the Mayor's spot, & thought things were due for a good changing, & maybe this young man might be the one to do it.

But alas, with all that's been heard, seen, & done, this young fellow grew up, & it all has gone to his head, especially since his little auto/muffler business has taken off.

Guess it's true that some really do forget their roots, & how they got to where they are today. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 15, 2008 1:28 PM:

" St. Pete appears not to be an American. In our country, we do not cower, ridicule, and retreat, but stand and fight passionately for that which is right.

Petie, you are an insult to the moniker you stand behind. The real St. Peter Chanel was a missionary and a martyr. You are the cartoon. "

HerChild wrote on Jul 15, 2008 3:19 PM:

" Yes, we always thought of Mr. Inyart as a neighbor, but it did go to his head having the Midas Muffler business, and now...well...to bad soo sad...yes, he did forget how he got to where he is, he is no longer a neighbor, that's fur sur! "

sender wrote on Jul 15, 2008 3:28 PM:

" You this might have seemed worthwhile and maybe even a good story if Mr. Patterson had picketed for the day, or heck even half a day. But he was there for mearly an hour or so, and left right after the JG-TC reporter interviewed him. Wheres the dedication to the cause? "

low rider wrote on Jul 15, 2008 3:34 PM:

" it's a shame how the big heads only care about status and the look of "their" building. what about all of the tax payers. we want nice sidewalks and streets. how can the city aford this beautification of the hall? how can they afford all of the new vehicles driven by the city hall employees? is anyone making city hall accountable for OUR money? this would never be the case under the general. Although i too, thought a change was needed with a mayor, i now regret that as inyart is a cowardly lion. the city has become a joke and laughing stock! is there no hope for our great city anymore?? can we find bill riebbe (old city manager) and beg him to come back and clean up the waste brought on by the "acting" city manager / rec. dept. cry baby? can the general still help? "

Rotty wrote on Jul 15, 2008 3:59 PM:

" On the other thread, I was not pleading for a return to the likes of Bill Riebe.

He was a butt & an even worse of a City Manager, than the one we have now.

The City of Charleston has not got it right, yet, when it comes to this position.

I was trying to infer that Mr. Smith is only a step above Mr. Riebe, & that isn't saying much at all. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 15, 2008 4:53 PM:

" A suggestion for the moderator: Google Cleveland Steamer, then ask yourself if this posting name should be allowed on this site? I would think it would fall under the obscene prohibition outlined in the comment policy. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 15, 2008 5:53 PM:

" Not there? Who was the guy holding the sign today? I just assumed it was "Grandpa Lake". Could we have an impersonator on the loose? "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 15, 2008 7:44 PM:

" HP, I Googled "Cleveland Steamer" and OMG! I can't believe this monikor could be acceptable.

Ironic, isn't it, that Cleveland Steamer applauded Letha Snow on another thread and said he/she would see Letha at church! "

Tuco wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:21 AM:

" It would appear our Mayor has been misinformed by some member of his City Hall cabinet. Mayor Inyart states in the article above: "... the [eviction] notice on Friday followed previous notices that Pattersons rent was due." Not so. Patterson states firmly that he had received no notices other than the original one he responded to by paying an installment on the lot rent. The next "notice" he received about it was the Eviction Notice, served by a City of Charleston Policeman. Perhaps the Mayor was misinformed as to how many and what type of notices Mr. Patterson had been served.

Mayor Inyart goes on to say: "...Fridays notice that Pattersons rent is overdue was sent out through a regular notification process..." Not so. As all other Lake Island Tract residents will surely attest, such notices were either delivered or left on the door by City of Charleston Water Meter Readers -- NOT A COP! Fortunately, Mr. Patterson is not so easily intimidated, as would be the only tactical reason for such a delivery method. Perhaps the Mayor was misinformed as to how the Eviction Notice was delivered... or rather, served.

And finally, Mayor Inyart states, I believe innocently, that the Eviction Notice served to Mr. Patterson "... had nothing to do with his letter to the editor." Well, innocent or otherwise, it's just not much comfort to realize how so thoroughly kept in the dark a person, especially the Mayor of our fair city, would have to be to actually believe that. Perhaps the Mayor has been deceived by someone in his employ.

All that misinformation from only one paragraph of an interview article. And this issue is only getting warmed up.

But the BIG question now is, and for quite some time has been, 'Where is the investigative reporting of our local news media in all this?' Nearly every assertion stated by the Mayor (the oak trim, the marble tiles, et al) is contested by various and numerous individuals who claim first-hand knowledge to the contrary. The answer would seem obvious -- the people of Charleston are not being adequately served by objective and aggressive journalism. The motto of the Daily Eastern News is "Tell the truth and don't be afraid." The JG-TC motto must be something on the order of, "Look the other way and don't rock the boat."

This whole pattern of official misconduct and running roughshod over citizens who would dare raise their voice in protest has been ongoing for years, and the JG-TC is yet to detect any compelling reason to do its own investigative reporting. Looks like it's to be the job of ordinary citizens to describe the Emperor's New Clothes. So be it, but it would be even more of a scathing indictment on the JG-TC if we have to go through non-local media channels to git 'er done. "

JAB Girl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:22 AM:

" sender wrote on Jul 15, 2008 3:28 PM:

" You this might have seemed worthwhile and maybe even a good story if Mr. Patterson had picketed for the day, or heck even half a day. But he was there for mearly an hour or so, and left right after the JG-TC reporter interviewed him. Wheres the dedication to the cause? "

Well Sender I got some news for you. At his age and his health issues I'm sorry but no one should stand in the heat that long. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:31 AM:

" Nice try Harry Potter- posting under the name "Cleveland Steamer"- and then following up with your tammer65 name?

But here's the problem Harry-

"Cleveland Steamer" hadn't posted on this thread yet- huh.

Which makes your "tammer65" response to your post even more out of place- now doesn't it.

You're getting sloppy Harry- I'm afraid I've rattled you.

Now I want you to respond to this with some of your other names- you know: The Question, fatherbob, lefty....etc....go ahead. "

das wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Nice response Tuco. Very true, the JG-TC NEVER does any investigative reporting to find out what is REALLY going out. All the people in the cities of Mattoon/Charleston are ever told is what the government officials tell the newspaper. It would be nice to get some back bones at the good ole JG-TC. Though, even if the Daily Eastern News' motto states to always get the truth, well they definitely do not do that. They will print whatever Dr. Nadler tells them and never actually dig in a find out the truth and Dr. Nadler will tell anyone whatever he needs to to make sure that he never looks like the bad guy. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:40 AM:

" I see that "Granpa Lake" was at City Hall again today with his opinionated shirt and picket sign. Today, however, there was an ongoing parade of people honking horns and offering thumbs up.....guess you CAN fight City Hall once you get old enough and smart enough to realize that the "can't fight" slogan was disinformation generated by the city's official Spin Doctor (aka city manager).

Hang in there, Sandy...we've got your back. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:18 PM:

" I think someone might be losing it....Get help Bryant, it's not too late. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:32 PM:

" Sorry tammer, but it appears that Bryant's delusional thoughts are getting worse by the day.

I hope you weren't too insulted. Actually old Doh has accused about everyone on here who has ever disagreed with him as being one in the same.

The poor guy suffers from some very serious issues.

That charge gets a little old, but he can't help himself.

Notice he is now saying he is building up a file on me? That sounds like paranoia to me, but I'm not an expert of mental illnesses.

I have lost track of all of the people he thinks I am.

Heck I've even lost track of all the names he has posted on this site.

When I noticed the inappropriate name showing up all over the place last night, I sort of suspected he was the vulgar one too, he has used that style before, as he has put some pretty nasty stuff on here in the past. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:33 PM:

" Bryant, I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and have even defended you in some of your exchanges with Harry Potter, but I have to concur with Harry that you seem to have lost it a bit.

Did it ever occur to you that, like many of the regulars on this site -- yourself included -- I read most, if not all, of the threads on here? If you read really carefully, you'll note that I didn't even say that Cleveland Steamer had posted on this thread; I referenced a post on the Letha Snow thread, on which I've been commenting regularly.

You annoyed a lot of the regulars with your "tin foil hat" comments about HP. I don't know exactly what that reference means (and am too lazy to try to find out), but I presume it to be the suggestion that HP is nuts. But it is you who have seem to have problems with reality. "

BLB86 wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:23 PM:

" Actually entering City Hall and talking with city officials may be a better idea than making t-shirts and picketing. In the real world, protesting follows negotiations instead of replaces them. I have even heard that they hold City Council meetings inside City Hall where residents can voice opinions. Maybe when my property taxes are due I will just picket the courthouse instead of going inside and following the correct procedures. I am sure that will bring better results. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:47 AM:

" tammer65- I really don't care about your opinion.

And this little line- "You annoyed a lot of the regulars with your "tin foil hat" comments about HP."

Really tammer? Did I miss the conference you had with "the regulars"?

Gee no criticism of Harry's meltdown? Wow- I'm shocked.

It's comments like that that just confirm you- and most of the other lock-step liberal personas in here, are in fact- one in the same. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:53 AM:

" The Question- "Harry is dead on. Now how about a little fist bump, Bryant. I wonder if you would like to give us all a big steamy pile of your next revelation. I'll bet you're one of Foley's boys, aren't you."
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Now see that- Question. That sounds just like ole Harry P.- now doesn't it.

You even worked in Harry's predictable gay insinuations- didn't you.

My my my- what a remarkable coincidence that is.

Tell me TQ- if you two are not one in the same- then who's the pitcher and who's the catcher in your little sock-puppet relationship? Oh do tell.... "

Tuco wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:10 AM:

" Well, golly-gee, BLB86 [forehead-slap]. I sure hope Mr. Patterson reads your sage advice before he brings more retribution down upon himself. And to think that all he'd need to do is to enter City Hall, talk with our benevolent city officials and, shazam, a mutually equitable resolution would be struck on the spot. What a marvelous problem-solver you are.

Of course, that presumes you know for a fact that such means and channels have not already been tried, otherwise it would be simple arrogance to counsel someone on a matter not fully understood.

Uh... you DO know the complete history at play here, right, BLB86? After all, faux maturity and pseudo-intellectualism in a public forum is just so... so 70s. "

getoffmylawnstupidkids wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:12 AM:

" Sounds like daddy didn't hug him enough as a kid. "

Early Bird wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:29 AM:

" I remember the former mayor, Dan Cougill wholeheartedly endorsing the current one for election, after he decided to step down. After watching Inyart in action for a while, I have to wonder if he regrets that endorsement? "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:18 AM:

" BLB86...did you read the signs?? Mr. Patterson's letter and signs are addressing wasteful spending. Although there is history of other issues, those are not the issues at hand.

Just to clear up the "information void" you experience.....I personally questioned Mr. Patterson about those "other" long-running issues. Had you given him the same courtesy, he would have told you and shown you a thick file box full of letters and other documents which detail his lengthy battle. I saw these last night and was overwhelmed both by the hurdles and hoops (and crap) the City has put before him -- and his strength and determination to fight and keep fighting "to my dying breath". I, for one, now vow to support him in his other fight. And I, for one, thank him for bringing the corruption and vindictiveness of SOME members of this administration to light.

As was stated in Steve Harrison's letter to the editor in the 16 July 08 Times Courier, "Enough is enough". "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:26 AM:

" The 6:20 p.m. post labeled The Question wasn't written by me.I don't know who it was or how it got there. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:32 AM:

" Tuco...would you be our new MAYOR?? Intelligence and wit would be such a welcome change. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:35 AM:

" It looks like Bryant's meltdown continues...

Stay tuned for more of his drivel.

It looks like TQ pulled the same number on him as I did, and he didn't get it either.

And don't forget, anyone who ever agrees with me, has to be me. LOL!

And for my friend, tammer, sorry you got dragged into Bryant's delusional rants. Anyone with half a brain could see that your posts are much more articulate than mine, and I seriously doubt that anyone other than Bryant would think you and I are the same person. LOL!

Sometimes he forgets to take his meds, I suspect.

It's OK Bryant, everything will be all right. Just hang in there, little buddy.

If it will help, I'll try to get the conversation back on the war in Iraq for you.

You didn't seem like you could handle the truth about the Bush family history, and not wanting to see any more meltdowns on your part, we'll leave that topic alone for the time being. "

Raptor wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:21 AM:

" Is the mayor up for reelection in the fall? Who can we vote out to make the changes we desire? Any suggestions who we should vote in? "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:45 AM:

" Bryant, I couldn't care less whether you accept or reject my opinion. However, when you make accusations about me posting under multiple names (e.g., claiming Harry Potter and tammer65 are the same person, which we're not), yes, I'm going to jump all over that.

No, I didn't call a meeting of the regulars; I didn't need to, as there were several posts on multiple threads decrying those childish exchanges between you and Harry Potter.

And why did my recent post on this thread only criticize you and not Harry Potter? Pretty simple -- YOU were the one who dragged me into this and made false accusations about me, not Harry Potter. For the record, I criticized both of you (and posted stuff more favorable to you than to HP, by the way) during the famous "tin-foil-hat"/"he's gay"/"Prescott Bush" game.

Learn to read. "

Charlie Watts wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 AM:

" One thing you need to remember EB, when Cougill came into office, the first thing he did was to clean out some of the department heads that would not go along with him on his dreams, no questions asked. This resulted in his appointing people to these positions that unfortunately were born without a backbone and would do what ever they were told.

This also resulted in good board members also being replaced with backbone challenged people. These type of policies resulted in Scott Smith among others.

As far as I was concerned at the time, if I had not known Mayor Inyarts family personally, an endorsement by Cougill would have been enough to cause me to vote for the other guy. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:55 AM:

" The Question- "The 6:20 p.m. post labeled The Question wasn't written by me.I don't know who it was or how it got there."
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Riiiiiiight TQ.....right. What's the matter- did you just realize that your post sounded just like your Harry Potter character?

Tell you what, Question- if it's not your post, then I would suggest that you email the moderator ASAP and then we can find out just who stole your name. What do you say? Let's get to the bottom of this nonsense now.

......I'll be waiting to hear what you found out...... "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:59 AM:

" tammer65- "For the record, I criticized both of you (and posted stuff more favorable to you than to HP, by the way) during the famous "tin-foil-hat"/"he's gay"/"Prescott Bush" game."
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Gee- I don't recall that at all, tammer......?

On what thread did you post "stuff more favorable to me"....?

I'd really like to know.......

Learn to tell the truth, tammer. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:37 AM:

" HP, thanks for the comments. What's the deal with that guy (BL)? Sometimes his posts are calm, logical, and on an even keel -- heck, he almost comes across as one of the "tree-hugging liberals" he sometimes rants against. Next minute, the rants start again. I'm getting dizzy following all the tonal flip-flops. Guess it's better just to ignore him, but I fell for his bait. Yeah, his Iraq war rants are particularly entertaining, much more than all that "tin-foil-hat" crap. (And can anyone tell me what that reference, tin foil hat, means?) "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:41 AM:

" Okay, I decided to stop being intellectually lazy, and I looked up "tin foil hat."

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

"A tin foil hat is a piece of headgear made from one or more sheets of tin foil, aluminium foil or similar material. People wear the hats in the belief that they act to shield the brain from such influences as electromagnetic fields, or against alien interference, mind control and mind reading.

The idea of wearing a tin foil hat for protection from such threats has become a popular stereotype and term of derision. The phrase serves as a byword for paranoia and is often used to characterize conspiracy theorists."

So Bryant Lamphier is calling Harry Potter paranoid? You've got to be kidding. To paraphrase the old worn-out cliche, I guess this would be a case of the kettle calling the pot(ter) black. Okay, lame I know, but I couldn't resist. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:04 AM:

" In re: Raptor election question.

Yes the mayor position, as well as that of two council members, are up for election, but city elections will be held in April. I think that the filing process begins in late fall or early winter. We really need to vote in people who will save our sinking city.

I am voting for Tuco if I can find out who it is. "

Equalizer wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Making comments like "you annoyed a lot of regulars"...is not treating all fair and equal and with respect.

Everyone has a right to post on these forums, and if someone is so crude as to think they are part of a group of regulars, then perhaps it's time for them to take a vacation. "

Tuco wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Responsible Party quipped: "Tuco...would you be our new MAYOR?? Intelligence and wit would be such a welcome change."

No, thank you. But there are community leaders in the wings who need to come forward and offer that service to their home town.

There's been mention in some threads of "the general" as being an example and model of a good mayor. I'd certainly hope not. It was on the general's watch that Charleston stood idly by with hands in pockets and lost Trailmobile, for one.

Who we need is another Clancy Pfeiffer, in type. A townie businessperson, not an academic and not a career politician. Someone with the depth of character to not let the prestige and powers of the office go to their head. One who is solid enough to take seriously the "public servant" bit. Might as well throw in "can walk on water" while I'm at it. "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Well, BL, one thing you can be sure of is that there is no topic on this planet that interests me less than your sexuality. In fact, I just find it impossible to imagine that anyone, male or female, would ever willingly have sex with you. "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:11 AM:

" Harry is dead on "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:14 AM:

" By the way, I see the 6:20 p.m. post by someone else under my nom de guerre is gone, so I guess somebody took care of the problem. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Well tammer65- Read this:

(The Question- "The 6:20 p.m. post labeled The Question wasn't written by me.I don't know who it was or how it got there.")

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Well golly gee whiz- at the risk of sounding "paranoid"-

it looks like someone just "stole" The Question's name- does it not, tammer?

Now this is a very serious issue for all posters on this thread.
I'm sure you and Harry Potter, will agree that the moderator needs to look into this matter- no?

After all- this is a serious breach of security in here- isn't it tammer?

Isn't it Harry? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:50 AM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:14 AM:
" By the way, I see the 6:20 p.m. post by someone else under my nom de guerre is gone, so I guess somebody took care of the problem. "
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Well ain't that interesting- Question?

So the stolen post just magically dissappeared- without you contacting the moderator?

And the moderator never contacted you to explain this mysterious breach of security?

My my my- this place is certainly becoming quite curious lately- isn't it folks.

How DO you explain this- Question?

hmmmmmmmm......? "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:50 AM:

" Equalizer, I will post when I want on whichever topics I want -- as you said, everyone is free to post on these forums. How ironic, then, that you would try to intimidate me into taking a "vacation." Why is it "crude" to think of myself as a regular? Facts are facts -- there are several of us who post consistently enough to be called "regulars." You're right to say that whether or not "the regulars" approve of a post is no reason to stop someone from posting. But the same token is that these threads are designed for the public, not for individuals playing private games back and forth like a couple of children. That's why I and several other posters objected to. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:56 AM:

" Hey moderator-

how does someone "steal" the Questions name on this site- when there is a registration requirement coupled with password protection?

And did you remove the post without anyone contacting you about it?

And if so- who posted it? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:59 AM:

" The Question- "Well, BL, one thing you can be sure of is that there is no topic on this planet that interests me less than your sexuality...."
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Don't you think you should direct that comment to the person who just stole your name, Question? "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:01 PM:

" Charlie Watts, thanks for keeping the thread on topic. I agree that Cougill's endorsement must have made more than a few think long and hard before voting for Mayor Inyart; when he left office, Cougill was far from popular. John Inyart won the office in part because of his reputation and character. Yes, he has made some controversial decisions, but I have yet to see what he's done that have people longing for the "good ol' days" of Cougill, whose desire was to turn Charleston into Mayberry. Under Inyart, we've seen some progress, even during tough economic times, in terms of new businesses coming to town -- Lincoln Ave. doesn't look like a boarded up ghost town anymore. I also admire the way he has reached out to EIU and tried to work cooperatively with the University that brings half our town's population to reside in these city limits, rather than the compative relationship between town and gown under the previous administration. I also like the way the city is beginning to act on dilapidated properties that have been ignored public nuisances for years -- notice how much demolition work has happened around town in the past year or two? No administration can please everyone all the time. I think Mayor Inyart has the community's interests at heart. "

HisChild wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:16 PM:

" I think Tuco is Steve Harrison, and Responsible Party is his wife! If so...God bless ya! :-) "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:49 PM:

" The Question wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:20 PM:
"Harry is dead on. Now how about a little fist bump, Bryant. I wonder if you would like to give us all a big steamy pile of your next revelation. I'll bet you're one of Foley's boys, aren't you."
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The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:26 AM:
" The 6:20 p.m. post labeled The Question wasn't written by me.I don't know who it was or how it got there. "
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The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:11 AM:
" Harry is dead on "
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The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:14 AM:
" By the way, I see the 6:20 p.m. post by someone else under my nom de guerre is gone, so I guess somebody took care of the problem. "
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AHEM....... care to explain all of this- Question?

How about you- Harry Potter?

Are you curious yet- tammer65?

How about you folks- isn't this a tad bit unusual?

hmmmmmmmmm..........? "

Rotty wrote on Jul 17, 2008 1:58 PM:

" "Hey Martha" http://tinyurl.com/5ktcgx is starting to look pretty good, eh?
Rockin Rotty thinks so.

Alot better & more strict registering policies there.
The folks who run the site do a bang up job setting up alot of different newspaper sites, across the U.S., & hopefully the place will grow alot more.

Give it a consider everyone, & you as well, JG-TC.
Thanks.

I think it's alot better of a setup than here. Plus, posts don't set in cue for hours, or even days, they go on the boards instantly, & the Mods have alot better control.

Sorry, just my feelings on the matter.
T.C., All.
~Rotty "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Well look at this......

Question "claims" his name was "stolen"-
He merely mentions as much in a post, and-

VIOLA!

his "stolen" post- disappears!

And THEN-

No one one the Left- not Harry Potter, not tammer65, and even stranger yet, not even, The Question- are the least bit curious as to how someone managed to "steal" The Question's name.....?

And what's more- when MY name was being hijacked last week- I requested the moderator do something- and zilch, nada- not a thing was done about it. The phony posts with my hijacked look-alike name- remained.

So what's going on here folks? "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 2:56 PM:

" Bryant, WHO CARES ANYMORE? You'll notice I also posted -- twice -- that someone was posting with a name close to yours. I didn't this time, with the Question's claim, because I've grown so tired of who's posting as who. When someone accuses me, as you did, of being someone else (Harry Potter), I'll speak up, but otherwise I'm tired of it all. Maybe I'll take Rotty up on his suggestion and check out the forum he mentioned. "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:07 PM:

" "So what's going on here folks? "
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I guess I'm just a much nicer person than you are, BL. LOL. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:08 PM:

" Hey Rotty- you're an intelligent and level-headed guy; do you have any idea what the he11 is going on in here?

How could someone "steal" The Questions name on a site with a password protected registration policy?

And how did The Question get the supposed "phony post" removed?

Any thoughts Rotty?

Anybody? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:22 PM:

" tammer65- "Bryant, WHO CARES ANYMORE? You'll notice I also posted -- twice -- that someone was posting with a name close to yours.'
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Let me dumb it down for you tammer-

The post wasn't made in a look-alike name; it was made in the EXACT name.

That can only mean-

1) Someone breached security in here and stole a name- which would make this entire site pointless

OR

2) Question is lying- and he really did post that comment which sounded just like Harry Potter- and then he had the moderator remove it.
Which means he really IS Harry Potter and God only knows who else in here.

But strangely tammer- your curiosity is mysteriously waning all of a sudden.

To paraphrase Alice- It's getting curiouser and curiouser in here......... "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:24 PM:

" Sooooo....you're not in the least bit curious about who (and how) someone managed to "trick" the security system and magically steal your name- huh Question.......? "

Tuco wrote on Jul 17, 2008 3:30 PM:

" HisChild wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:16 PM: "I think Tuco is Steve Harrison, and Responsible Party is his wife! If so...God bless ya! :-)"

And if not? "

pj61938 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:13 PM:

" Bryant, I may be a little slow here but what did the deleted post say and why did the moderator remove it? "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:21 PM:

" Bryant, to use your phrasing, "let me dumb it down for you": I DON'T CARE! If you're trying to suggest that I am the one who posted as The Question, YOU'RE WRONG! I've never posted under any name than tammer65. Maybe no one has raised a hubbub about this because no one else gives a rat's a55 but you! Plain enough for you, pal? "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:30 PM:

" Tammer, Thanks for the consider.
I know I said I wasn't going to say, but you can find me on the Mt. Vernon forum, for now.
LOL
It's a pretty popular place, with people from all over the U.S. on it, but the majority are from the Mt. Vernon area.
I check this particular newspaper's site out, every so often, because alot of dad's side of the family is from down there.

Bryant, chill my friend, it's not a security breach, take it from a guy who's been all over, to many many forums over the years, & knows some of the in's & out's.
Your personal info/data is still safe, nobody knows who/where you are.
It's just very easy to do with the lax policy of the registering area of this particular website.

Bluntly putting it, it has no verification process.

Also, forum names are very easy to make up, & it doesn't take much effort to even register similiar or like names of other posters, if you've been around forums & comment venues long enough.
All one has to do is twist a couple of letters, that most folks might not recognize, or add a space or two, here & there, or use a number "0", & alot of folks will be fooled into thinking it's the capitol letter "O".

I'm no computer genius, or wiz, but with me, when I register, I use very little to none of truthful info, because I don't want anyone knowing any of my personal data, & I don't care how square the website owner & maintainers are.

Tis better to be safe than sorry.

On the positive side, some forum & comment venue sites have started changing their policies, &/or are more strict with their registrations, as I've noted above, with the "Hey Martha" site.

Hope this helps.
Take Care Gang,
~Rotty "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:33 PM:

" Temper temper tammer65.

Where did you get that I was implicating YOU? I don't know what is going on. But I do know that someone is lying. You certainly went through a personality change all of a sudden- didn't you.

Earlier you were calling me paranoid- and now all of a sudden you "DON'T CARE"- that someone's name has been stolen or someone is lying. And to top it all off- you're inexplicably angry.....?

If you simply don't care- then why are you hanging around and responding- tammer? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:37 PM:

" pj61938- here's the deleted "phony" post:

The Question wrote on Jul 16, 2008 6:20 PM:
"Harry is dead on. Now how about a little fist bump, Bryant. I wonder if you would like to give us all a big steamy pile of your next revelation. I'll bet you're one of Foley's boys, aren't you."
---------

It sounds just like Harry Potter doesn't it.

And I don't know why the moderator removed it. The only two people who know that- are The Question and the moderator. What's your guess .....? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:43 PM:

" Thanks Rotty- but I still don't understand how The Questions post could be forged using the exact same name. I think the most likely explanation is that he is lying and he really is Harry Potter.

I didn't realize that spaces in registration names made a difference- I guess that's a lesson to me for using my real name- huh.

Thanks Rotty- I appreciate it, buddy. "

Charlie Watts wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Tammer65, its not that I dont want to keep on topic but after going through the doh and dohbaugh (or whatever name he was using at the time and since) wars, I found that there are some people that you cant reason with so why try.

I have not been involved with local politics personally over the years, but I can say that I have drank quite a few beers and eaten quite a few pizzas with a lot of the old timers from both Charleston and Mattoon and know first hand how the system worked then, used it myself more than once
:-), and am quite sure it hasnt changed much over the years. One thing I have noticed over the last 20 years is that Charleston and Mattoon for that matter have been deteriorating slowly but surely over the years. I dont get back in town more than once or twice every couple of months and have noticed the decline almost every time Im there. Lincoln is a good example along with sixth and seventh street north of the campus, and let's not bring up Dewitt. If Inyart can do anything to make the city at least look better Im all for it. If he manages to get any type of business to open (and stay open) Im also all for it.

I dont like to post on these pages normally because except for a very few all I hear is bitching and moaning and not one concrete solution to anything. Dont expect anything to change whether with city politics or these groups for that matter. Its easier to sit in the corner and complain than to step up, move up, and take charge. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Who keeps copies of everyone else's posts? Isn't a little convenient that Bryant had a copy of a post that had been removed from this site? And by the way, Bryant, my anger comes from nut jobs like you who have nothing better to do than to accuse other people of crap. It's called frustration with YOU! Nothing sinister about it, just plain old frustration! "

The Question wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:50 PM:

" " Sooooo....you're not in the least bit curious about who (and how) someone managed to "trick" the security system and magically steal your name- huh Question.......? "
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I'm sure there are several ways it could be done, short of magic. The comment was removed after I mentioned it wasn't mine. What is your point? "

Charlie Watts wrote on Jul 17, 2008 4:58 PM:

" Bryant, google Internet protocol (IPv4) on the net and have a good hard read. If you know what your doing, no site is safe. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:01 PM:

" Charlie Watts, good post! (I've gotten caught up in this name game war and can't seem to extract myself from it, being flawed as I am and liking to have the last word -- my own fault.) I agree that properties on 6th and 7th near Lincoln look bad and need some attention, and I hope they get it. Several properties further north, off the square on 4th, 9th, 11th and others, have been demolished, but since the places you mention are so close to campus and thus are in slumlord gold-mine-land, I doubt anything will be done about them. Didn't mean to suggest that Inyart is a savior or anything, but at least he seems to be trying more than the previous administration did. Obviously, there's much still to be done. And only time will tell if all the new businesses on Lincoln stay in business for the long haul. Again, thanks for posting comments of substance! "

Rockin Rotty wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:08 PM:

" You're Welcome, Bryant.

If you'll give me your permission, I'll use your exact name, unless the policy has been changed, & show you what I mean.

One time deal, OK? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:11 PM:

" I think the answer to your question about Bryant's sporadic posts, tammer, is alcohol. I suspect the more he drinks the nastier his posts gets. Some call it bottle courage. If you notice, the later in the day it gets, the meaner his post turn. At least that's
what it looks like to me. "

Raptor wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:05 PM:

" Thank you Charlie Watts, Tuco and
Responsible Party. Now we're getting some responsible dialog. We can move our communities in a better direction with or without our current elected and appointed officials. They must be clear on their vision and have the commitment to follow it through. I believe that they believe they are doing what is best for us. However without more input and participation from the community they will continue to do it their way.

My suggestion is that we attend the meetings. Attend the Ad Hoc Home Rule meeting, city council meetings, chamber meetings and business after hours. Talk to your neighbors and be informed. Let's build personal relationships and open communication. We must engage. These discussion boards are a great start.

I'll see you at the meetings. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:05 PM:

" "HisChild wrote on Jul 17, 2008 12:16 PM:

" I think Tuco is Steve Harrison, and Responsible Party is his wife! If so...God bless ya! :-) "

Oh, cool. Thank you for the compliment--can't wait to tell hubby. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:28 PM:

" Raptor, good point about the need to attend meetings, bring our friends and neighbors, etc. If all people do is air their grievances on these forums, nothing will be accomplished and the powers that be will not hear the voices of the people they serve. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:40 PM:

" Not gona do it, unless ya give the ok, Bryant.

Sorry for being so off topic, folks.

Back to the subject at hand....

I agree with several of the statements being made about getting more involved, like attending the meetings, etc.. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:41 PM:

" Sorry it took me so long Rotty- I had a busy evening.

You have my ok- go for it. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:47 PM:

" tammer65- "Isn't a little convenient that Bryant had a copy of a post that had been removed from this site?"
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Not at all tammer- I actually copied the comment before it was removed in my reply on Jul 17, 2008 12:53 AM

Go back and read it for yourself. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:52 PM:

" The Question- "The comment was removed after I mentioned it wasn't mine. What is your point?"
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My point is that I mentioned the same thing when my name was hijacked a week ago and nothing was done about it.

And if you didn't make that post- then who did? And why? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:54 PM:

" It sure is strange how TQ's forged post sounded just like you- isn't it Harry. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:00 PM:

" Thanks for the info Charlie- it's a bit over my head (I'm no IT guy), but you're right- no site is safe. "

61912 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Did anyone run against Inyart the last time? I'm sorry I don't recall.

I also must agree that Lincoln is looking much better than in the past.

As for the "good ol boy" system...in a small community will it ever be extinct? I don't personally think so.

Finally, as for someone else posting under "your" name. I had this happen a few months ago. I did not contact the moderator but did post a notice that I had not posted a specific post. Within a few hours the post was removed and I received an email from Jg-Tc apologizing and stating that they were working on a solution to the problem. "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:06 AM:

" Right you are about getting involved and attending council meetings...and it needs to be more than a whim over a single hot issue. People tend to forget and, unfortunately, elections are down the road a bit. Elected officials are supposed to serve the people...not the reverse.

Now, remember, this isn't church, so be sure to sit in the front row and smile great big---it makes them feel special. "

Charlie Watts wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:25 AM:

" At least attending the meetings of the city is a good place to start. Youd be surprised just how much you can learn about why certain decisions are made that you cant get by rumor or the news. Even though this is small town central Illinois at work and not Chicago or Springfield things still work the same. As I learned long ago dealing with anyone in a position of power whether it was in the business world or the government:

You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:42 AM:

" 61912 wrote on Jul 17, 2008 11:20 PM:

" Did anyone run against Inyart the last time? I'm sorry I don't recall."

Inyart was unopposed and endorsed by Cougill. I, for one, thought that the city was finally going to begin to improve. John was, after all, a successful businessman, (I USED to be a regular customer) a townie, and appeared to be honest and trustworthy. Funny thing about appearances...they can mask the truth. The "Golden Boy" is really a "Good ol' Boy"--close enough to deceive if you don't pay attention.

He (Inyart) promised to place this town under the management of someone qualified to carry it forward. Guess that was just a "campaign promise" (DID NOT HAPPEN) lost somewhere between election day and a city funded trip to Las Vegas. How fitting...elections here lately have proven to be just "crap shoots", it seems. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:00 AM:

" Geesh, so now I'm getting accused of stealing TQ's name too?

Hey wait a minute, BL, I though I was TQ...or was if fb...or perhaps EB....no...now it's tammer65...LOL!

Anyone else you want me to be?

That's OK, BL, as long as I'm not you. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Oh I don't think it was a phony post at all - Harry, it think it was you all along.

In your excitement you forgot to change your writing style. The dead give away was how little fuss your Question persona made after I caught the similarities. Most people would have been a tad bit peeved if someone took over their name- but not your Question character. In fact- I have no doubt that you never would have had it removed if I hadn't caught it in the first place. And then "The Question" posted the first line of the post- all over again. Funny that.

You have a history of this garbage Harry- just a week and a half ago you brought back your Dohbaugh name and tried to implicate me for it.

That's pretty much your weasely little style isn't it Harry. You pollute the place up with a bunch of personalities all in perfect lock-step agreement with one another, all complimenting one another, and all in an attempt to crowd out and shout down any opposition. And then when you're called on it- well then- you simply feign innocent confusion with "Golly how many names am I again? I can't keep track- I'm getting dizzy. Golly gee." Or "Geez someone's paranoid!" And then- to complete your little act- you always love to accuse the one who caught you, of doing the very thing that you're guilty of. And viola! You're just an innocent victim- huh Harry.

You know- it's too bad you have to pull such juvenile schoolyard stunts, Harry. But then- you're completely incompetent in a real one-on-one debate based on facts- aren't you fella. It's simply amazing how much deception you'll go through to avoid an honest debate. But then, it's really no surprise, because your fragile little ego just can't take the thought of losing an honest disagreement- can it. Uhm- no it can't.

One thing is certain- you had a hard time spamming the place up as Harry Potter and keeping up the voluminous daily posts of your "Question" blather at the same time didn't you. Your little "Question" posts dropped off dramatically when you ramped up the Bush/Nazi nonsense didn't it Dohbaugh. Yep- it sure did. There's only so many hours in the day- and it wore you down didn't it. Yep- it sure did.

Now I want you to respond to this post with your usual modus operandi-

1) Accusations that I'm simply paranoid, need meds....etc..etc...

2) I'm really the one who's guilty of these weasely acts.

3) Start spamming the place up with nonsense.

4) Claim some sort of nonsensical "victory" based on the length of my post.

5) Or simply hijack my name again.

Go ahead and pick one Harry- or would you like explore a new method of cowardly 12 year old behavior?

I know you won't disappoint us Harry- you simply can't help yourself- can you buddy............. "

The Question wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:53 AM:

" But I thought you already WERE me, Harry. How is it that you can steal your own identity? But there I go, talking to myself again. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 18, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Charlie Watts wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:25 AM:
"As I learned long ago dealing with anyone in a position of power whether it was in the business world or the government:

You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar "

True, Charlie, but I've learned that in politics, as in life, you can catch the most flies with a big pile of crap! LOL! At least this seems to be the way it works with most politicians I've observed. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 18, 2008 2:51 PM:

" OK, & Thank You, Bryant, sorry for not getting on here, till now, I had to work this morning.

Be right back.... "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 17, 2008 10:41 PM:

"Sorry it took me so long Rotty- I had a busy evening."

"You have my ok- go for it."

.......

TADA!
Not too difficult.
Not a security breach, I know nothing of your personal data/information.
This is just a new account.
I added a few spaces before your name, (the posting name I wanted for myself), I used my cat's name as a password, I listed your email as "blrannextdoor@janescrib.org", I listed your address as #77 Chip-N-Dale Lane, in Charleston, Il., 61920.

Bada-Boom, here I am!
LOL!

No real verification process, you don't have to use your ISP's email address, like some Forums now require one to do, & most all info I typed in was all made up.

This is really no biggie, it's just the nature of the business, as I've said before, with some Forums & Comment Venues, that have lax registering policies, so try not to let it bother you.

In all of the forums, etc., I've ever been to, there will always be those that like to pull stunts like this, to make certain points, or just want to mess around with certain posters.

If you see a poster copying your posting name, just make a post regarding that was not yours, & generally speaking, the moderator will usually remove it.

I'm kinda surprised the ones done under the "Bryant Lampheir" name weren't removed, after you brought attention to them.
I don't know why they were left on that particular thread.

Anyways, there ya be.
Everyone in forums & comment venues enjoy giving guff to others, or certain posters, every once in awhile, you just have to learn to not let it bother you, then move on.

This concludes my deal.
I won't do this again, so if another pulls it, it's not me.
I hope this helps.
Thanks, Bryant.

I'm now going back to my other name.
Be right back....
~Rotty "

Rotty wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Like I've said before, I'm no computer expert, or computer wiz, but if I can be of service, I'll try my best to help.
Thanks.

Sorry for sliding off topic, again folks, back to the Lake Island Tract ordeal.... "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 18, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Woah Rotty!

So a couple of spaces before the username and lot of phony info after...? Wow!

Now I know........

Thanks for the eye-opener buddy!

How many of you folks in here knew about this......? "

Rotty wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:40 PM:

" You're Welcome.
:-) "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Sweet! "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:54 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 18, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Sweet! "

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When can I expect my name to be stolen Dohbaugh? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Look out folks, loaded with that information, old Bryant can go to town. Look for him to start putting messages on here supposedly from others, especially those he constantly picks arguments with. His 4:46 post under my name was just the beginning. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 18, 2008 8:17 PM:

" Sorry, don't mean to give anyone any ammo, just wanted to show what I know.

Sorry, if it causes any probs, gang - like some probably didn't already know, if ya get my drift.

Do with things as ya please, I think it's well known what makes a true forum & comment venue work, & not work. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 18, 2008 9:42 PM:

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 18, 2008 7:04 PM:

" Look out folks, loaded with that information, old Bryant can go to town. Look for him to start putting messages on here supposedly from others, especially those he constantly picks arguments with. His 4:46 post under my name was just the beginning. "
-------------

And there it is- just as predicted.

So you're going to blame me for your 4:46PM post- eh little weasel?

Get ready for Dohbaugh's greatest acting con-job of all times folks.

This is where he posts attacks to himself and then blames me for them- isn't he just too clever.

Tell you what- weasel- when that happens- lets get the moderator involved- what do you say?

Otherwise this site is going to become real useless real fast.

It's your call little weasel. "

cd wrote on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM:

" IF I have my information and lakes correct, Lake Charleston is to become the counterpart of Mattoon's Lake Paradise....weedy, trashy, and worthless.

How close did I get? (Hopefully, I hit the perimeter, at least.) "

Responsible Party wrote on Jul 20, 2008 5:28 PM:

" cd wrote on Jul 20, 2008 4:21 PM:

" IF I have my information and lakes correct, Lake Charleston is to become the counterpart of Mattoon's Lake Paradise....weedy, trashy, and worthless.

How close did I get? (Hopefully, I hit the perimeter, at least.) "

If Smith and Inyart and some, as yet, unmentioned others have their way, you will be known as a prophet and can sell lottery suggestions and horse names...and retire a rich and successful blogger. "

CLICK TO ENLARGE

R. Sandy Patterson poses for a photo with his dogs outside his Lake Charleston residence on Monday, July 14, 2008. The front of his shirt says "Recall John Inyart, Fire Scott Smith," the shirt back says "Remodel Charleston City Council." (Journal Gazette/ Times-Courier, Kevin Kilhoffer)