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Thursday, July 3, 2008 6:10 PM CDT
COLUMN: State mandates eye exams for kids; why shouldn't it pay bills?



The last time I filled my gas tank the tab came to $63 plus. But I make enough to afford it. I owe nothing on my 12-year-old battered, dented, paint peeling Dakota.

Climbing food costs, driven by fuel prices and the competition from biofuels, I can afford it. My children are adults. So, it’s just wife and me eating. We even go out to restaurants sometimes.

My teeth are in pretty good shape. Of course, most of them are crowned and there’s the anchored bridge. Doris’ teeth are perpetually sound – and straight. We can afford to go to the dentist.

A few years ago I got hearing aids. The first thing I heard was my truck’s engine. I wish I hadn’t. The hearing aids make it possible for me to engage in a conversation in a crowded room without nodding my head knowingly and wondering what the hell they’re saying. But I can afford it.

We can keep cool in the summer and warm in the winter despite soaring power bills. I get warm and cozy, though, thinking about utility executives using their customers’ money to buy ball tickets. We can afford it.

So, I’m not complaining. I don’t like being in a money squeeze witnessing dramatic rises in the cost of living. The trouble is while everything we buy goes up, wages go down. That’s been the trend as our economy shifts from industrial to service and technology.

The middle class increasingly feels the pinch. People in the lower-income bracket really feel it. And those living in poverty are being crushed.

While all this is going on, our legislators on the national and state level continuing thinking about ways to relieve us of our money.

I’m not talking about taxes. Tax hikes and budget cuts are used in tandem when budgets get way out of whack. Both the national budget and the Illinois state budget are stampeding into a lake of red. They’ll eventually drown in red ink.

Since we’re riding them, we’ll drown too.

State and national government can stave off financial disaster by increasing taxes on everything from gas to merchandise. They’re not as limited for all this as those who foot the bill

In recent years, the national government and state governments have increased unfunded mandates. This is way to satisfy lobbyists, social crusaders and other entities and individuals who want to make you do what you don’t want to do — at your expense, of course.

Government hands you the bill for every meal.

The latest example of unfunded mandates is the new Illinois law requiring every child entering kindergarten have their eyes examined by an optometrist. This costs money.

Children entering school also must have dental examinations, physical, immunizations, hearing tests among other things.

School nurses will continue to screen children’s eyes. And that makes sense. Optometrist, who lobbied for eye examination mandate, were driven by a very real interest in detecting and treating vision problems in children.

The state’s interest and optometrist associations’ desires to make sure every child undergoes a professional eye examination is commendable.

The flipside is obvious. What the state mandates, it does not fund. Going to the optometrist costs money. Many people can barely manage to pay the grocery bill. They struggle to pay utility bills, buy gas and pay the rent or house payment and a myriad of other bills, let alone pay for an eye examination essentially duplicating the services of the school nurse.

There is difference between the two examinations, of course, but enough differences to justify a bill for every child entering school?

Many doctors, Optometrist, dentists and others in the health profession won’t accept patients in state-funded programs. Understandable considering the state’s propensity to short-change them or delay payments.

State government engages in this in the name of budgeting. It’s something government can do, but we cannot. We don’t make car payments or house payments, banks take them away.

We are expected to pay the bills on time and in full. Sometimes, that’s difficult — especially, for the poor. These days, most of us. We compel every child to have professional examinations in the name of the few.

We’re getting into that habit in a lot of things these days. What once the school nurse could do, now she’s not good enough to do. It’s costing us far more than we benefit.

The money parents dig up to pay for examinations the state mandates could be used to pay bills for more pressing and far more justifiable things. Making certain that no child’s eye problems or dental problem may be possible, but is it practical?

Are we to the point where government — a creature of good intent, but often bad result — is to dictate to parents what they should decide for themselves and their children, based on the reality of their every day life?

If government assumes the right to dictate visits to the dentist, optometrist, doctor, etc., shouldn’t it be required to pay the bill?

Why isn’t it reimbursing health-care givers in full and in a timely manner? If it would do, doctors would probably accept state-funding patients.

The reality being what it is — medical providers refusing to treat patients because the state fails to fulfill its obligation — it seems unjust to force people who can ill afford it to pay medical bills for examinations.

It’s easy to impose mandates someone else has to pay for. It takes away the right of parents to make their own decisions regarding health care for their children. Some of their decisions are determined by their finances.

We live in the real world. The people most cognizant of that are the people who struggle to live in it.

They reside in reality each day.

So do the doctors, dentists, Optometrist and other healthcare givers. They’ve got to get paid, or they don’t stay in business. They know reality.

Too bad, the government doesn’t.


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father bob wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:12 PM:

" Harry for someone who would like to come off as halfway intelligent, you seem to fight yourself at every turn.

have you ever heard of "All Kids"? it's the state program that provides health coverages for the children of low income families. never too late for you to start another brood harry.... "

ItsJustDave wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:19 AM:

" father bob: read the column again. The state does NOT pay medical/dental providers in a timely manner. When they do get around to paying, the amount is a joke. All Kids is useless if there aren't providers that will accept it. The program name is even a deception; it's NOT for "All Kids", just kids of parents that meet certain income guidelines. Check this out:

http://www.hfs.illinois.gov/annualreport/allkids.html

Click on the links at the right side to see the fee schedules. No wonder many docs won't accept state paid patients. $7.45 for a bilateral eye exam? puhleeze. "

medic57 wrote on Jul 4, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Do you hear it? It's coming, someday, it's getting closer. Just around the corner. And it will be massive. The Boston Tea Party is coming again. It will be in the form of The Twisted Sister Song. We're not gonna take it. "

cd wrote on Jul 4, 2008 10:24 PM:

" Send the bill to Guvna Roddie. Since he doesn't have to pay for his own transportation between Spgfld and CHI, he can surely afford it. "

FinsUP! wrote on Jul 5, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Geez! Parents must prove that their children have been to the doctor and the dentist. Now eye exams? What ever happened to parents taking care of their children's needs simply because that's what good parents do? How sad that common-sense health practices must be a hurdle to jump through, rather than a normal part of raising a child. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:30 PM:

" Amen, FinsUP!!
Well said!

Thank all of our supposed politicians, from both sides of the aisle, who think they know better than we do, & for the idiots who encourage this kind of crap. "

Locke wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:20 PM:

" "What ever happened to parents taking care of their children's needs simply because that's what good parents do?"

Well said... if you are a complete moron.

It's a decision about putting food on the table, paying the electric bill, putting gas in the car, or 'taking care of their children's needs.'

Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Many are using the free sporks they lift from KFC. Compassionate conservatism at it's finest. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 7, 2008 7:55 PM:

" Locke, give your maid & butler the night off, come out from your mansion, & get some fresh air, you could use some, hypocrite.
Ignorance at its worse.

By the way, I heard your neighbor makes a dollar more than you do.

Hit the deck, everyone!
LOL! "

pj61938 wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:17 PM:

" You're so right Locke. In fact I was behind some of these poor impoverished souls at the supermarket the other day.

Lets see, the man and woman were both covered in tattoos, had multiple piercings, and were buying several cartons of cigarettes and a couple cases of beer.
And then these poor people had to use their public aid card to buy the real groceries for their 4 kids who were wearing the latest baggy pant fashions complete with atrocious hair cuts and bad dye jobs.
I wonder if they will be able to eke by this year. "

gringa wrote on Jul 7, 2008 9:56 PM:

" That's it! I'm convinced, for sure. Took me a long time to figure it out, but I know, without a doubt who ItsJustDave is! The consistently conservative and common sense writing style is a dead give away. He moved away from Mattoon about 6 years ago (our loss), and his initials are DS. Am I right? Tell me I'm right.

All right! Now Im going to concentrate on discovering who father bob and Harry Potter and The Question and Early Bird are. Its not as difficult as it sounds theyre all the same poster. LOL! "

Locke wrote on Jul 7, 2008 10:15 PM:

" I don't think you saw that image in the first place -- maybe you wanted to see it to justify your lack of compassion.

Either way, pathetic. Judge not least ye be judged.

What would Jesus do? I'm sure he'd make up a snide comment about the leaper to justify why he didn't want to help him. "

gringa wrote on Jul 7, 2008 10:49 PM:

" Locke, the key word in your post is *help*. Taxpayers don't mind HELPING the unfortunate, but we tend to get offended when those same unfortunates expect us to DO IT FOR THEM. And, by the way, I see what pj61938 described every time I'm in the grocery stores. Do you not get out much?

As far as what Jesus would do, or say, I imagine he'd say "Hey fool, what was wrong with the skin my Father gave you; and whats with all those extra holes? Do you think that looks cool, or what? Then, depending on what kind of day he was having, he may just slap them around a little.

Remember, when God sent his Son to us the first time, his Son brought new rules along. Jesus kind of did the teach and forgive thing when he was here, but when he returns, man-oh-man, you talk about CHANGE!! Do you think hes still gonna be foolin round with Now go, and sin no more.? Better think again. Its called Three Strikes! "

Early Bird wrote on Jul 8, 2008 5:40 AM:

" All right! Now I'm going to concentrate on discovering who father bob and Harry Potter and The Question and Early Bird are. Its not as difficult as it sounds they're all the same poster. LOL! "

I don't think someone is as smart as they think they are.


That one has to be the winner of the day for stupid observations.

Buy the way, Bryant....oops I mean gringa, did you see where a group from California is wanting to re-name a sewage treatment plant after your political idol, George W Bush? I say, what an insult, that is what an insult to sewage treatment plants everywhere. LOL! "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 8, 2008 7:49 AM:

" You know, it's strange Early Bird- you rarely show yourself until someone suspects you of phantom-posting.

Then you jump right on it. Isn't that fascinating?

Yeah- I think you have several names in here- now why don't you fire-up the ole tin-foil hat and tell us all about Prescott and the Nazi's.....

...and if you want to think I'm gringa- go for it.......yawn*..... "

ItsJustDave wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Sorry, gringa, but you missed on the guess of my identity. I left Mattoon about 13 years ago, and my initials are not DS. Sorry about that, but thanks for the kind words. "

what about wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:40 AM:

" Back to the All Kids comment. My daughter has it and it does well paying for her doctor visits. When I called about finding a dentist in the area the ones they provided were all up north. I haven't checked into the optometrist issue, but they are probably all up north too. Up north as in around Chicago, Peoria, etc. Who would of thought of that. As usual the downstate people get the short end of the stick. "

gringa wrote on Jul 8, 2008 1:24 PM:

" Dang, Dave! Thought I had it nailed for sure. "

Mama says wrote on Jul 8, 2008 6:02 PM:

" Yep I didn't get food stamps nor medicaid and worked two jobs and didn't smoke nor drink and paid for the kids glasses, dental, checkups, we did eat a lot of soup,,,,eggs,,,mac n cheese, and thankful for what had on the table.
When try get help always told we made too much money (and 2 kids and me and I made $700/month, so maybe I should run for government jobs and show em how to cut down on their lifestyles and help others?) "

Early Bird wrote on Jul 9, 2008 5:53 AM:

" Bryant Lamphier says:

" You know, it's strange Early Bird- you rarely show yourself until someone suspects you of phantom-posting.

Then you jump right on it. Isn't that fascinating?

To correct you, Bryant Lamphier, or whatever name you have chosen to post on now, I have been a regular almost from the very beginning of this site. Changing names has not been my habit. That's the first time anyone ever described my posting as "rarely". At times I have been called a blog hog, and you should be able to relate to that one.

To put it mildly, I find it absolutely hilarious that you would accuse anyone of using multiple names.

Over the last few years you have changed names more than anyone else on here. The funny thing is that most of us regulars figure it outright away. Your same old mantra always manages to show through. And part of that mantra is to accuse every one else of have multiple names. I guess in your disturbed little world, you think that takes the attention off of you for your constantly changing names and trying to reinvent yourself.

And since you asked, I'll give you my opinion on the Prescott Bush thing. I have read a lot of Harry's sites, and to tell you the truth I think a lot of it is just overblown hype, but obviously, despite your shrill denials, hissy fits and name calling, over the issue, there does seem to be a bit of truth to the story. Prescott had financial dealings with the Nazi German government, but so did a lot of others. And as far as his role in the plot to overthrow FDR, I think his role was small potatoes. The funny part is that old Harry P is getting you to react to his buzzing you, or should I say overreact. He is baiting you and you are taking the bait, and looking rather silly about the whole issue. But I think that was what Harry P was doing in the first place, and you fell for it. "

Beaches wrote on Jul 9, 2008 9:33 AM:

" Having a young child, I think it's great that we are encouraged to have our children checked out early - many people don't think about how important it is for our children to learn effectively, and they can't do that if they can't see. All Kids is a great idea - but if our state never pays the health providers, they won't take the new patients - we have to find a better way.
I have worked in retail, and I too found it ridiculous that people could buy all the extras, then use their food stamps to buy food for their children - glad their children are getting food, but I know a lot of people who are living on the edge, no help from the government and trying to provide for their family. I don't begrudge anyone their hobbies or interests - just don't make me pay for them! "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Save your breath Early Bird-

I find it laughable that you only find time to post at the break of dawn- and never ever any other time.

Who does that?

I'll tell you who- someone who finds it easier to stay in character at the same time everyday. It makes it a little less confusing when your using 4 other names huh.

What's the rhetorical difference between Early Bird, Harry Potter(formerly Dohbaugh) fatherbob, and The Question?

The answer- Nothing.

Not everyone is buying into your little tin-foil hat game, my friend. "

Twisted Nickel wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:19 PM:

" I have young children, and I get them eye exams and dental exams without being told to by the government, so as far as mandates are concerned, doesn't really make any difference to me. As far as people getting upset about the public aid system, there will always be people who take advantage of the system, just as there will always be people who need a little help from time to time. When I went through my divorce, my kids were on medicaid for a while(I didn't qualify for any other help, except child support enforcement, which isn't decided by income, only by how much he owes in back child support). I did not have much, but I made sure my kids had what they needed first. At the time, it was a big help-except finding a good dentist or eye doctor for them-and DHS was surprised when I came to them and said I didn't need their help any more(apparently a lot of people wait until public aid catches them still using the system).
My husband and I have insurance, and pay all our own bills, but our insurance doesn't cover dental or vision well, as many don't. We will still take the kids, and pay the bills. Some parents won't. My biggest problem with mandating such things isn't that it will add bills for people-not us, as we are already doing this-but that parents need to be told to take care of their kids. We may not drive the shiniest cars, or have extra "grown-up toys", don't go out partying, or have unnecessary, expensive things done to our bodies, but my kids are never hungry, they are never without water or power, or clothes. I just always thought that's the order you take care of things...needs...wants...Although if anyone knows of a good dentist that's not as expensive, I would gladly take that into account as well.
...Sorry that I don't have anyone to yell at or accuse of anything... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:42 PM:

" Thanks, Bird, I knew if anyone would get it, it would some one from the left side. I plan to keep it up for a while just to watch old yellowcake's get all bothered and throw his little hissy fits about tin foil hats. Just watch. He can't resist. This gets more fun by the day.... hee hee

Get ready Doh Doh, here it comes. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 9, 2008 3:39 PM:

" Hey Harry-Bird Early- Pooper, that tin-foil hat of yours must have one helluva carbon footprint, what with all those batteries you've been burning through.

Maybe you should trade it in for one of those solar-power jobs, or better yet-

how about a nice wind-powered unit. You know- with the fancy propeller and everything!

And then- all that hot air you're expelling could power that baby indefinitely!

Neat huh? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 9, 2008 3:45 PM:

" Harry Pooper- "Thanks, Bird, I knew if anyone would get it, it would some one from the left side."
-------

Oh my. How devilishly tricky.

Look at that- Harry Pooper's responding to Early Bird.

Well that just proves it- they MUST be two different people. I mean how could anyone explain that?

Gee whiz that's IS a toughie. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2008 4:37 PM:

" What did I tell you? Dohnut, you're just too darn easy. LOL! "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 9, 2008 4:53 PM:

" Harry Pooper - " What did I tell you? Dohnut, you're just too darn easy. LOL"
------

Well look at that......

Harry Pooper just admitted that he's Early Bird.......tsk tsk tsk...... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2008 5:41 PM:

" That's some leap in logic on your part, Dohnuthole. But you never were much for logic were you. hee hee "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:00 PM:

" I admire many of the points that Early Bird and Harry Potter make on these threads, and even (surprisingly) Bryant Lamphier once in awhile, but I have to say, this back-and-forth over who is who, and who might be posting under multiple screen names, and all this tin-foil hat business really is starting to ruin the threads. I enjoy the debates on the issues, but this is becoming just a childish, playground exercise in name-calling and accusations that have nothing to do with any issues. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:17 PM:

" I agree tammer65- it's beyond old.

You heard that Mr. Pooper- now give it a rest. "

Locke wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:26 PM:

" Since when did certain posters care about the issues? The forums are nothing but their personal drama. Enjoyable for a bit, yes, but nothing important is said -- just name calling unmoderated by a rural newspaper. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:55 PM:

" Are you calling for a truce, Bryant? I remember you doing that when you posted as Doh, and I also remember it didn't last very long. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 9, 2008 8:27 PM:

" Call it what you want Harry- but at this point, it really is driving people away- and I don't blame them.

You can continue if you want- I'll just ignore it. "

stressedoutmom wrote on Jul 10, 2008 7:23 AM:

" My kids are currently on the Kid care program and I am very grateful for this. I work my 40 to 50 hours a week and do my best to provide for my kids just like a lot of parents that need to use the program do, we are not all like the some of the ones that many of you have described seeing in the stores. We are hardworking and do our best to for our kids everyday. As for the program everyone is right the doctors don't get paid by the government when they should so there are no good dentists and optometrists on the list unless you want to travel 1 to 2 hours away and again with the gas prices who can afford that. I went to a local dentist in effingham for my daughter because of kid care and when she went in they put simple numbing gel on her gums and started pulling teeth and when she cried out we were told to leave because she was disturbing other patients. That is the kind of dentists that we get with the program. So we don't have it nearly as easy as it sounds either we don't pay the utility bill and take our kids to a Dr. who cares or we let them suffer and do nothing and watch. I will say this I have gone without paying my utility bill and riding 10 miles to work one way to save the gas money to take them to the Dr just to not see my kids suffer like that. As for the eye exams they are good and the majority of parents take there kids without being told to so with this I believe the government is pushing to much again. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 10, 2008 7:26 AM:

" ***********Newsflash******

THE GREAT DOH DOH CONCEDES TO HARRY POTTER OVER THE PRESCOTT BUSH NAZI CONNECTION CONTROVERSY!

At 8:27 PM last night Doh, now posing as Bryant Lamphier admitted defeat.

His "NO MAS NO MAS" moment comes after weeks of denial that his hero, George W Bush's grandfather was indeed involved with Nazi financing before the second world war, as well as playing a role in the attempted overthrow of the president of the United States. Of course, using his usual weaseling style, he feigned altruistic reasons for giving up, but given his past actions, and lack of concern about anyone else on this site, this was obviously another one of his ongoing ruses.

Any in your face and ain't I great style response to this post, from old yellowcake's will result in the continuation of the Prescott messages. It's up to you Dohnuthole. "

2sense wrote on Jul 10, 2008 11:10 AM:

" We have All Kids for our daughter. I have also heard bad things about the dentists in effingham. My daughter goes to Kool Smiles in Terre Haute, I know that's no closer, but they accept Illinois Kid Care and the place is great. It's only for kids and meant to make the trip easy and fun for them. You can find their number online. I don't mind driving there, it's not like we have to go all of the time. Once or twice a year and we just plan a trip around it, go shopping while we're there. Another way we save money for the everyday is shopping at second hand stores. There is a good one in Charleston called Pattycakes and a great one in Terre Haute called Once upon a child. You can get nearly new name brand clothes for next to nothing. It sure helps us save money with growing kids. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 10, 2008 11:54 AM:

" tammer65 wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:00 PM:

"this back-and-forth over who is who, and who might be posting under multiple screen names - really is starting to ruin the threads. this is becoming just a childish, playground exercise in name-calling and accusations that have nothing to do with any issues."

.......

I agree, Tammer.
I can get a bit off-the-wall, myself, at times, but I've been trying to tame & tone it down some, & it also helps to take a breather from these forums & comment areas, for awhile.
Other than a few of you, who boost my spirits, & we share a few laughs, this website is almost not worth it any longer.
I've still been checking out some news forums, all around Illinois, & with some of their more strict rules, half of this crap, that goes on here, wouldn't even get the chance to breathe on some of the their forum websites.
It's good to talk over the issues, subject some to a bit of silliness, meet & greet folks from all over, but the disdain shown here is getting really old, really fast.
Take Care Everyone.
~Rotty "

momma5 wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:44 PM:

" First of all, the All Kids program is great, but it is a pain in the rump to find a doctor that will accept the cards. When you do, it takes months to get in. If the child is found having a problem, the All Kids does not cover the cost for glasses. I am a low income woman with children. My husband and I have insurance, but it covers very little. I do not work full time because we can not afford the childcare. We are feeling the pinch all the way around; gas, rent, insurances, power bills and food... it is all we can do to keep our heads above water. "

Lurker61920 wrote on Jul 10, 2008 4:43 PM:

" Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet or not, but for those that can't afford dental exams prior to beginning school, they do bring in health officials to the school to those low income families. I have dental insurance and I even got a form asking if I wanted the free exam for my child, but I declined since I have the insurance and can afford my copay.

Wonder if they will offer for an optometrist to come into the schoo to do free eye exams like they do with the dentists? "

williamsmother2003 wrote on Jul 10, 2008 9:57 PM:

" My son, who will be 5 next month, goes to a dentist in Effingham thru kid care and absolutely loves it! And, He has autism! He has gone for a cleaning and had one cavity filled with no problems! They used laughing gas and then the numbing shots with no problem because he couldn't handle the gel. We have a few more cavities to fill but we love it there. Both my husband and I pay to go there, too. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:21 PM:

" Harry Potter- "Any in your face and ain't I great style response to this post, from old yellowcake's will result in the continuation of the Prescott messages. It's up to you Dohnuthole."
---------

Harry.....have you ever considered getting some professional help?

Seriously, take a look over your posts today...... does that seem "normal" to you? "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:55 PM:

" Oh and Dohbaugh-

The Associated Press Oct 17 2003

"Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort." "

ed miller wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:18 AM:

" Hey Potter,

Bryant offered to stop and you just had to get one more dig in. To quote the great Fat Albert, "You are like school at Christmas, No Class!".

When are you going to get it? No one cares about Prescott Bush, especially on a thread about kid's eye exams. I really wish the newspaper moderator would enforce the rules and this back and forth name calling along with obscure posts that have nothing to do with the topic would stop. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 8:54 AM:

" "Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort."

That's it? Only one source? That's all you can come up with? Pretty convincing too, I must say. hee hee

Looks like you need to hear more, Doh Doh, and I be more than happy to do that for you, my little deep in denial friend. LOL!. "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Actually, eddie, it wasn't me who drug Prescott Bush onto this thread. You can thank someone else for that one. I only responded in kind.

Nice try, though...but as usual, you come up short.

Here's something for you to consider, eddie, when you see my name or anyone else you dislike, just skip over it. That makes more sense than to go crying for censorship.

I'll bet you would have made a great book burner too.

And just why do so many right wingers seem to want to limit free speech? It seems that anytime we hear those kind of comments they always come from the conservative side. I don't recall ever hearing that from the other side.

Your side whines too much. "

lefty wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Sheesh, there goes BRYANT again, always about the Nazis. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:19 PM:

" Yeah Harry- one source is all I need.

This entire story was started by the fruitcake John Buchannan, and when he first wrote about it, the mainstream media, like the Associated Press, took a look at the documents and found......nothing. No evidence that Prescott (and his 1 share out of a total of 4000 shares) had any direct connection to Thyssen's selection of investments.

And when Buchannan tried to peddle this story to the rest of the media- the majority took a pass.

So you need to answer the most obvious question here, Mr. Tin-Foil-Hat....... why did the vast majority of the mainstream media take a pass on this non-story?

Oh and you can keep spamming up this place with as many nutty conspiracies as you like Mr. Screwball. It just proves my original assertion of you- youre a complete Leftard Wacko.
In fact- if you stop- I'll keep goading you. Because you're just my little puppet on a string, and in your never-ending stupidity, your declaration of juvenile one-upsmanship has just locked yourself into always responding to my every whim on this issue.

So get ready moron.........Scaramouch...Scaramouch! Dance clown! Dance! hee hee hee...... "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:30 PM:

" sheesh there goes Harry Pooper again.....this time as, lefty....

Different name, same tin-foil hat.

LMAO "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Rather annoying, isn't he? "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 5:38 PM:

" Looks like the village idiot, Bryant (no mas no mas) Dohnuthole Lamphier gave up on trying to refute the Prescott Nazi story. Who can blame him, all he has was that one little quote to repeat over and over. LOL!

You won't be the last person to lose a debate on this site. LOL!

Keep your chin up, Doh Doh, and don't let it get to you, little buddy. Remember what Scarlett O'Hara said about tomorrow..... "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 5:44 PM:

" Huh? who's pulling whose string, nutzy? LOL!

I've got you number and you know it. Your responses are getting more far out as the days go by.

Keep on thinking that, if it makes you feel better. "

D0HBAUGH wrote on Jul 11, 2008 6:16 PM:

" Old yellowcakes falls for another one. LOL!

You will never learn will you Dohnuthole.

Get ready for your continuing education. hee hee "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 6:16 PM:

" Watching Doh throw his little girlish hissy fits, such as the one at 12:19, makes all of this worth while.

I just hope all of this doesn't bring back to many painful memories such as all of the wedgies you no doubt suffered in school as a kid.

And hey, I thought you weren't going to respond anymore to the Prescott Bush Nazi history again? What happened, Pinocchio. I told you you would, and as usual I was right. You are such a lame moron. So now who's the puppet? hee hee

In fact, I may just start calling you Pinocchio. LOL! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 6:36 PM:

" Oh my gosh, it's worse than I thought. He's now posting messages to himself. I guess I'm not giving him enough grief, he now has to give it to himself. A classic case of masochism.

Add Dohbaugh to his growing list of name to post under. LOL! "

Bryant Lampheir wrote on Jul 11, 2008 6:55 PM:

" I wish you guys would stop picking on me. I had to deal with that in school and it's just not fair. Whaaaaaa!

So I used to come on here as Doh, so what? My mommy said I could have any name I want. So there! "

Bryant Lampheir wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Here now a list of requirements for Dick Cheney's 'downtime suite': He wants bottled water. He wants decaffeinated coffee.Here now a list of requirements for Dick Cheney's 'downtime suite': He wants bottled water. He wants decaffeinated coffee. He wants an ice bucket. He wants ammo. ... Cheney wants bottled water, decaffeinated coffee. He wants his lights on. He wants the temperature at 68 degrees, the TV's must be tuned to Fox news. I was thinking, 'My God, I wish they would have put this much preparation into the Iraqi War'" --David Letterman

"Here's the detail I found most interesting: all the television sets must be tuned to Fox News. Wow! Because god forbid he walks into a hotel room, and the TV is on another channel, and he finds out what a sh---y job he's been doing. He's got avoid not just CNN and MSNBC, I think Animal Planet is doing stories on that now. ... There was one other detail on the bottom of the rider, it was handwritten and somewhat cryptic. He also requests a rifle, some ammo and an old man's face
He wants an ice bucket. He wants ammo. ... Cheney wants bottled water, decaffeinated coffee. He wants his lights on. He wants the temperature at 68 degrees, the TV's must be tuned to Fox news. I was thinking, 'My God, I wish they would have put this much preparation into the Iraqi War'" --David Letterman

"Here's the detail I found most interesting: all the television sets must be tuned to Fox News. Wow! Because god forbid he walks into a hotel room, and the TV is on another channel, and he finds out what a sh---y job he's been doing. He's got avoid not just CNN and MSNBC, I think Animal Planet is doing stories on that now. ... There was one other detail on the bottom of the rider, it was handwritten and somewhat cryptic. He also requests a rifle, some ammo and an old man's face "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:13 PM:

" It looks like Bryant is having a meltdown. Easy fella, it's gonna be OK. Just get some rest, OK? LOL! "

Bryant Lampheir wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:18 PM:

" "Oscar nominations came out. Up for best actor, Sean Penn for 'Mystic River,' Jude Law for 'Cold Mountain,' and of course, George W. Bush for 'Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction.'" Jay Leno

"They are having a panel look into the intelligence failures in Iraq. It is a seven person panel and it will include Senator John McCain, but the findings from this panel will not be issued until after the election. President Bush says the commission can go off and report back in a year, you know, the same way it works in the Texas National Guard." Bill Maher

"President Bush is now launching an investigation into pre-war intelligence over weapons of mass destruction. If we find out that we were wrong, do we have to put Saddam Hussein back in the hole?" Jay Leno

"President Bush is in the hot seat over Iraqi pre-war intelligence. Remember the good ol' days when the only thing the president was trying to cover up was a stain?" Craig Kilborn

"During testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee former U.S. Chief Weapons Inspector David Kay defended President Bush for saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Kay blamed the 'intelligence community.' And he doesn't want anybody confusing Bush with the intelligence community. I think we're okay there." Jay Leno

"President Bush has appointed a commission to answer one big question about pre-war Iraq: How did our oil get under their sand?" Craig Kilborn

"This Iraqi intelligence scandal is growing. Americans are asking, 'What did President Bush not know?' and 'When did he mispronounce it?'" Craig Kilborn

"Bush admitted that his pre-war intelligence wasn't what it should have been. We knew that when we elected him!" Jay Leno

"Condoleezza Rice was on every network morning show today blaming this whole mess on 'flawed intelligence.' Afterward the president took her into his office and said, 'You weren't talking about me were you?'" Bill Maher, on the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

For a change, vote for Obama.... "

Bryant Lampheir wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:21 PM:

" My reason for support Obama...

We need a president who can inspire Americans across all divides, whether republican or democrat, black, brown, or white, woman or man. We do not need one who appeals to our fears and fuels mutual distrust. We need a president who can ask all Americans to make the sacrifices necessary to change the course of this country. We do not need one who asks us to go shopping while we send our young soldiers off to make those sacrifices for us. We need a president who understands that the government is not about politicians, corporations, or lobbyists; it is about we the people. We need a president who requires us to think, inspires us to dream, and challenges us to take action. We do not need one who asks us to trust blindly, to consume thoughtlessly, to follow the status quo without question.
Do not underestimate the power of hope, of words that inspire. We are at a pivotal crossroads in this country. We can choose to continue down a path that will leave a legacy for our children of insurmountable debt, perpetual wars, and environmental collapse, or we can create change. Only one candidate seems to get that it is not about him or her, it is about us. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. For these reasons, the choice for the next president of our United States of America is clear.

For a better tomorrow, vote for Obama.... "

cd wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Bryant Lamphier ===> !yawn!

This guy must have a 360 motion sensor. Anytime someone adds a post, he's alerted to it and responds to it (not often sensible).

Can someone at least reduce the range of his motion sensor?

Or is it that some butthead is pulling his chain to post? "

HarryPotter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 7:50 PM:

" Easy big fella, maybe you need to go catch a gay pride parade and relax some. LOL!

Who knows, maybe you'll enjoy the smackin you get there, as opposed to the ones I give you here. hee hee

On second thought, maybe I'll have you over for a candle lit dinner, and we can talk over old times, if you get my drift. wink wink "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:39 PM:

" Oh no, my worst fear have come true, Dohnut Bryant now thinks he is me. Oh, the pain I'm going through.

There is help available, Bryant, all you have to do is reach out and ask. You will be in my prayers, little buddy. "

idclaire wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:42 PM:

" This thread is stupid. You're not even talking about the issue at hand. Are these people actually grown ups? "

lefty wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:49 PM:

" You got me BRYANT, I come on here and login under two user IDs. Man, now that that has been revealed, can we discuss why you are legally not allowed within 15 ft of a grade school? "

williamsmother2003 wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:28 PM:

" Wow! This thread stays off topic even more than my son who has ADHD & autism! Let's grow up here and actually talk about the articles! "

Bryant Lampheir wrote on Jul 12, 2008 8:15 AM:

" Mark Shields is a nationally known columnist and commentator.

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This is a story about the shameful downfall of one of my heroes, Tom Delay.





WASHINGTON, D.C. (Creators Syndicate) -- Forget the freebie trips across the Atlantic and the Pacific. Forget the casinos and the allegedly illicit contributions -- they represent only degrees of avarice.

To grasp the moral bankruptcy of the public Tom DeLay, the House majority leader, you only have to know about Frank Murkowski and Saipan.

Today, Frank Murkowki is the governor of Alaska, but from 1980 to 2002, he was a conservative Republican senator from Alaska.

How conservative? His voting record earned him zero ratings from organized labor's AFL-CIO and the liberal Americans for Democratic Action, and perfect 100s from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the American Conservative Union.

But as chairman of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, Frank Murkowski became furious at the abusive sweatshop conditions endured by workers, overwhelmingly immigrants, in the U.S. territory of the Northern Mariana Islands, of which Saipan is the capital.

Because they were produced in a territory of the United States, garments traveled tariff-free and quota-free to the profitable U.S. market and were entitled to display the coveted "Made in the USA" label.

Among the manufacturers that had profited from the un-free labor market on the island were Tommy Hilfiger USA, Gap, Calvin Klein and Liz Claiborne.

Moved by the sworn testimony of U.S. officials and human-rights advocates that the 91 percent of the workforce who were immigrants -- from China, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh -- were being paid barely half the U.S. minimum hourly wage and were forced to live behind barbed wire in squalid shacks minus plumbing, work 12 hours a day, often seven days a week, without any of the legal protections U.S. workers are guaranteed, Murkowski wrote a bill to extend the protection of U.S. labor and minimum-wage laws to the workers in the U.S. territory of the Northern Marianas.

So compelling was the case for change the Alaska Republican marshaled that in early 2000, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed the Murkowski worker reform bill.

But one man primarily stopped the U.S. House from even considering that worker-reform bill: then-House Republican Whip Tom DeLay.

According to law firm records recently made public, lobbyist Jack Abramoff, paid millions to stop reform and keep the status quo, met personally at least two dozen times with DeLay on the subject in one two-year period. The DeLay staff was often in daily contact with Abramoff.

DeLay traveled with his family and staff over New Year's of 1997 on an Abramoff scholarship endowed by his client, the government of the territory, to the Marianas, where golf and snorkeling were enjoyed.

DeLay fully approved of the working and living conditions. The Texan's salute to the owners and Abramoff's government clients was recorded by ABC-TV News: "You are a shining light for what is happening to the Republican Party, and you represent everything that is good about what we are trying to do in America and leading the world in the free-market system"

Later, DeLay would tell The Washington Post's Juliet Eilperin that the low-wage, anti-union conditions of the Marianas constituted "a perfect petri dish of capitalism. It's like my Galapagos Island."

Contrast that with what then-Sen. Murkowski told me in a 1998 interview: "The last time we heard a justification that economic advances would be jeopardized if workers were treated properly was shortly before Appomattox."

The "Made in the USA" label means standards of quality and standards of conduct.

But more important than how a product is made is how the people who make that product are treated -- as human beings with innate dignity -- who are free to organize and entitled to a living wage.

Did somebody say something about moral values?

I strongly disagree with George Bush about Tom Delay being a great American. "

Bryant Lampheir wrote on Jul 12, 2008 8:20 AM:

" It now appears there have been three Mark Foley landmines waiting to explode beneath the feet of congressional Republicans. The first two have detonated. But the third remains untouched: the fact that quite a few of the people who are essential to running the House are gay, and many of them are keeping it a secret.

Oh, be still my heart. "

Bryant Lampheir wrote on Jul 12, 2008 8:26 AM:

" The mission of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force is to build the grassroots power of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community. We do this by training activists, equipping state and local organizations with the skills needed to organize broad-based campaigns to defeat anti-LGBT referenda and advance pro-LGBT legislation, and building the organizational capacity of our movement. Our Policy Institute, the movements premier think tank, provides research and policy analysis to support the struggle for complete equality and to counter right-wing lies. As part of a broader social justice movement, we work to create a nation that respects the diversity of human expression and identity and creates opportunity for all. Headquartered in Washington, D.C., we also have offices in New York City, Los Angeles, Miami, Minneapolis and Cambridge. Our agent for change in Coles county Illinois is Bryant Lamphier.

So there all of you smarty pants, I guess this shows all of you how important I really am. "

pj61938 wrote on Jul 12, 2008 12:26 PM:

" To Harry Potter, thanks for completely ruining this site. I don't know what your problem is lately but you seem to have taken over this place with a lot of nonsense that has nothing to do with any of the topics. And your 101 posts every 20 minutes all day long have made it next to impossible to follow any kind of real conversation in here. Do you not have a job or a family or a life?
If this site has a real monitor, then I would suggest they start doing their job and limit this kind of childish behavior. I've been on other blogs both locally and nationally and I have never seen this kind of ridiculousness.
What a waste of time this has become. "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 12, 2008 2:19 PM:

" The game grows more inane by the minute. Now someone is posting under the name Bryant Lampheir, very close in spelling to the other poster, Bryant Lamphier. I'm all for yanking the Left's chain on the issues, on the lack of intelligence of their monkey-boy W, on the connections between ol' Grampa Prescott and the Nazi's, or their new candidate McSame/McInsane/McThuseleh, but these threads are becoming ridiculous. Surely there are more productive ways to engage our minds. "

RJM wrote on Jul 12, 2008 9:25 PM:

" Okay, what is all this back and forth junk and what does it have to do with State mandated eye exams for kids? "

shelly kay wrote on Jul 12, 2008 10:16 PM:

" 2 sense, do you know if Kool Smiles has much experience with special needs children? My 3yr old needs to go to the dentist, he has autism and we've been putting it off for too long.

Williamsmother2003, where at in Effigham do you go? "

rev marty wrote on Jul 13, 2008 2:57 AM:

" i think this is great they all want things done for children however whats law enforcement doing? i have counseled a 16 year old child who was raped from age 6 to just the past few months he got the courage to contact the police and has got put on the run around for about a month now i know people who were convicted of this in coles county qwho didnt do it and the ones who have they seem to be ignoring i think we need to care for all our childrens needs "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 13, 2008 11:11 AM:

" Are Bryant Lamphier and Bryant Lampheir the same person, or has someone gotten clever, chosen a name very close to another poster, and started playing tricks? The threads are becoming a joke because of all the game playing! "

Harry Potter wrote on Jul 13, 2008 5:55 PM:

" It looks like you need to address your complaints to Mr Lamphier, pj61938. Go back and count the number of posts by Bryant and myself. He seems to have out posted me, so why are you singling me out and ignoring him?

I suspect you only criticise those you disagree with. Actually about the only time you post is when you wish to criticise me. At least I give people something to think about. What do you do besides complain about everything I put on here?

No one is forcing you to read anything on here, are they?

I think you're just someone who likes to whine about any thing they can come up with. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 13, 2008 6:43 PM:

" I see things have gone to heck & a handbasket around here.
Give it a rest, guys, please?

Tammer, it could be the same person or it could be another.
It's not too difficult with the JG-TC's too relaxed registering policy, to make other names, or similiar ones of other posters, even swapping letters of people's names won't get caught by some, as per what they've done with Bryant's name. I had to do a double take before I noticed it.

I, kind of like pj said, have checked out other news forums across Illinois, & alot will make you register using your ISP email address, & won't allow Yahoo/Hotmail/etc. type email accounts to be used when you register, like the JG-TC website does. Alot of sites are also monitored better, have "Report Post" buttons to click, for offensive posts, etc., & are also much more of a pleasant experience. To put it bluntly, alot are taken care of much better than this place is. Sorry, JG-TC.

If anyone would like to change things up, & try a different alternative, & also if the JG-TC would like to check out who runs this Website, these folks seem to do a heck of a job running several news forums across the U.S..
There is only a couple few Illinois forums on it, right now, but hopefully it'll change.

Anyways, I'm registered on it as "Rockin Rotty", & I'm not going to say which particular news sites I'm at right now, but it wouldn't be too hard to find me.
LOL

Here ya be:
"Hey Martha" http://tinyurl.com/5ktcgx

Take Care Everyone,
~Rotty "

The Cleveland Steamer wrote on Jul 13, 2008 6:48 PM:

" We should all pitch in to keep those beautiful brown eyes healthy! "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 14, 2008 12:33 AM:

" tammer65 and Rotty- I am NOT posting under the name Bryant Lampheir. The "e" and the "i" are reversed in the phony name.

I have no doubt that it is the work of the lunatic Harry Potter. He's gone completely off his rocker in here the last few days. I was trying to get away from all this back and forth garbage but he just had to keep pushing it. This nonsense has gotten completely out of hand.

I'll have to change my name to avoid any confusion.

Take care- (The Real) Bryant Lamphier "

Rotty wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:25 AM:

" Understand, Bryant, but changing your name won't really help.
I'm not saying any certain person is doing it, because it could be anyone across the planet, just wanting to play games, & see how many people will get all stirred up about it.
Where there's a will, there's a way.

Unfortunitely we've had the name game played here before, as I would imagine alot of forums, etc., have.

It's just the nature of the business, depending on how strict the policy guidelines are set, & how one registers.

I've not given up totally on this place, as of yet, too many good folks around here, that way out numbers those that are overly silly, & like to push things a little too far.

As I've said in my other posts, I've just started checking out other online news forums, & comment venues, to kind of change things up some, & for a breath of fresh air, so to speak.

I'll still be poppin in here, from time to time, like everyone else does, to give my two cents worth on subjects, & to share a few laughs with my buds & budettes.

I wouldn't mind seeing this websites policies tightened up some, but I guess we all have to learn to go with the flow, grit our teeth & bare it, & make due the best way that we can, even with those around us who enjoy being turdheads.
Such are the facts of life, I guess.
LOL

Have a great day, & take care everyone.
~Rotty "

Rotty wrote on Jul 14, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Also, give a consider to the site I listed above, some of these other forums give you options to where you have a "Buddy List", & an "Ignore List", etc..
I've not put anyone in them, as of yet, but it's a pretty good deal, if you ask me, but, then again, what do I know.
LOL
Thanks.
See Ya Gang,
~Rotty "

Rotty wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Another quick thing....
Your posts hit the boards instantly, no waiting in cue for hours & or days, like here.
You also have a short time period, after you hit the post button, that you can go back & edit your post, if you need to.
Pretty neat deal - wish this place was kind of like some of these forums - & they're pretty popular too, atleast some are anyways.
Laterz Taterz,
~Rotty "

tammer65 wrote on Jul 15, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Thanks for the tips, Rotty. I always enjoy your posts (even when I disagree with them from time to time) because even in your self-proclaimed "silliness" you never cross the line. "

Bryant Lamphier wrote on Jul 15, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Much appreciated Rotty.

Take care my friend. "

Rotty wrote on Jul 15, 2008 5:03 PM:

" Thanks, gang.
Backatcha.
:-)

(To the Moderator: If I've already hit the Post Comment button, & posted this, Please delete this one. Thanks) "

williamsmother2003 wrote on Jul 22, 2008 6:29 PM:

" My son goes to Heartland Family Dental. I don't know if they are accepting any new patients. I do know my son is a lot more comfortable there because they have a new male assistant. Be aware that parents aren't allowed back because there is no space! My son needed me for a few minutes then he was fine! He's been going for 2 years now. "

 


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