" As far as officials go, I have no idea.

As part of the blog of the article about your Father-in-Law, I suggested that gates like those at Rural King and Fox Ridge be placed on both sides of the flooding of those roads. As for baricades, and I'm not implying Ralph was one, but their are those that will not heed a barricade, thinking they know better than those that put out the baricades. Some will drive around, or get out and move it to the side and go on. In some cases, had they taken time to put the baricade so that those that who would take heed wouldn't find themselves high water.

You need to take these questions to the Sheriff, and the appropriate road department in charge of that road. You'll get closer to the facts than you will here. "

" I feel like we as Americans tend to not want to take responsibility for our own actions and want to blame everyone else. I'm very sorry for your lose, but to complain that no signs were posted is poor to me. Drivers should know that if there is standing water on the road you shouldn't drive through it. To not take responsibility for this and to blame it on authorities is just a bit of a stretch. "

" People with good common sense do not drive into a water filled road anyway, & have no need of any sign or barricade. Of course
those of us who live where the roads were flooded, witnessed that there are numerous people in this county who apparently do not possess this common sense. "

" I travelled that same road, probably an hour before the accident. I turned around and went another way. I also live on a road that occasionally floods and the township occasionally puts up a sign if I or one of the neighbors calls. I worry about non locals, out for an afternoon drive, or teens racing through the back roads, coming up over the hill and not seeing the water until it is too late to stop, or when my father was alive, an old man not paying as close attention as he should and getting confused. Signs should be put up and we should take responsibility and turn around and take another route. "

" Come on, people, is it really necessary to be so insensitive in these comments? I agree that, in a perfect world, common sense would cause one to not proceed. Perhaps there were mitigating circumstances. Perhaps Mr Idleman simply didnt see the water, which is WHY Road Closed signs are supposed to be posted in the first place! Perhaps he was in the process of avoiding a deer running across the road. Perhaps a lot of things. Please keep in mind that a man has lost his life, and the family has a right to question authorities regarding the circumstances.

Amy Idleman raises a valid point as to why Road Closed signs were not posted prior to the accident. That area is prone to flooding. If it was flooded the day before the accident, why weren't the signs posted? Surely those responsible for public safety knew the dangers. As a matter of public safety, not closing that road could be compared to leaving a malfunctioning stop light at a busy intersection unattended for 24 hours. If the facts are as she states, it won't be long before a lawsuit if filed. Sorry to say, but it seems to me the family has a case. "

" By all means, lack of common sense is what I think of when I read anything you post. "

" Excellent post at 10:46 AM gringa. It's too bad that when a family suffers tragic loss some vulture will move in and preach. Her comments were entirely over the line. However I really doubt an apology will come forth, considering the source. "

" So, we have decided that we should just forgo any and all responsibility of the people of the community? So, I can go walk on the sidewalk then decide to walk over the curb, fall, twist my ankle and then complain that there was no "Watch Your Step" sign posted? Responsibility for your own and actions and life have to be with held at some point. Again, sad this family lost their loved one and this is no attack against them, but we seem to want to just throw out personal responsibility of our lives. "

" You're absolutely right, das. People need to take more responsibility for themselves. My comments were addressed to the tasteless remarks made by TR at 6:35 yesterday AM. Regardless of what happened a family lost a loved one, and inferring he lacked common sense seems a bit over the top to me, at least that is how I read her post. "

" The archival evidence is now clear that Prescott Bush, the presidents grandfather, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from and collaborated with key financial backers of Nazi Germany.

That business relationship continued after Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 and even after Germany declared war on the United States following Japans bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941. It stopped only when the US government seized assets of Bush-connected companies in late 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. "

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 2, 2008 4:17 PM:

" The archival evidence is now clear that Prescott Bush, the presidents grandfather, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from and collaborated with key financial backers of Nazi Germany.

That business relationship continued after Hitler invaded Poland in 1939 and even after Germany declared war on the United States following Japans bombing of Pearl Harbor in December 1941. It stopped only when the US government seized assets of Bush-connected companies in late 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act. "
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That was so far out of left field it must have came from outer space. I missed it...what did that have to do with the article and comments that it was tagged to? "

" What difference does it make, cd. unless it comes from Fixed news or from the felon drug addict Pigboy Limbaugh, you right wingers wouldn't believe it. I just enjoy rubbing your noses in it. "

" To defend Tiger Rose a little here, I'm sure she was commenting on a situation in her neck of the woods. A road was flooded and some people kept driving through it sending the water into a home where two people lived. These folks were in wheelchairs. She even went out and tried to get people to stop doing this and was laughed at for her trouble. Signs should have been placed there until the water went down. Maybe she should have explained this a little in her post, but her heart IS in the right place here. "

" GREEN BAY, Wis. - Brett Favre dismissed an ESPN report that he's considering coming out of retirement as "all rumor."
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Just thought I'd follow the swing here.
LOL! "

" You could be right, Billie, but I was basing my response on what she said, not what she thought.

And for cd, do a little research. I wouldn't rely on what anyone said on either side. I would read everything out there and then decide if it's all hooey.

No one every said Bush was a Nazi, worn a Nazi uniform or any other ridiculous thing, as Doh Doh is claiming that I said. The only charge is that Bush personally profited from Nazi financing.

There's just too much information out there for this to be a load of crap, as our friend Doh Doh seems to think.

I'm also sure that a lot of it is probably exaggerated, but the basic fact is that Prescott Bush was involved with the financing of the early Nazi party in Germany, despite all the denials from our friend. "

" " Harry Potter wrote on Jul 2, 2008 4:17 PM:

" The archival evidence is now clear that Prescott Bush, the presidents grandfather, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from and collaborated with key financial backers of Nazi Germany.
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Harry Potter wrote on Jul 2, 2008 8:49 PM:

" What difference does it make, cd. unless it comes from Fixed news or from the felon drug addict Pigboy Limbaugh, you right wingers wouldn't believe it. I just enjoy rubbing your noses in it. "
And for cd, do a little research. I wouldn't rely on what anyone said on either side. I would read everything out there and then decide if it's all hooey.

No one every said Bush was a Nazi, worn a Nazi uniform or any other ridiculous thing, as Doh Doh is claiming that I said. The only charge is that Bush personally profited from Nazi financing.

There's just too much information out there for this to be a load of crap, as our friend Doh Doh seems to think.

I'm also sure that a lot of it is probably exaggerated, but the basic fact is that Prescott Bush was involved with the financing of the early Nazi party in Germany, despite all the denials from our friend. "
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HARRY, I wasn't debating what you said about Prescott Bush. I commented on what that had to do with," LETTER: Signs should have been put up at flooded road By AMY IDLEMAN, Mattoon".

I have looked up Prescott Bush, and much of what you have stated is true. You're a sad person when you have to go back 70 years to throw trash at anyone. I wonder how many other families have possibly gained such monetary advantages from unethical practices. I wonder squeeky clean you would be after being put under the same microscope. Dirt is dirt whether it is a speck or a truckload.

My point was, What does anything about Prescott Bush have to do with whether a road was blocked in Coles County?

NOTHING "

" Also, What does Brett Favre and the Packers have to do with whether a road was blocked in Coles County?

NOTHING

p.s. I'm a Packers fan. "

" Good God Harry.

Do you have to stink up every thread with your tin-foil hat conspiracies?

All that "information" on Prescott Bush is coming from the same couple of wacky sources- it's just being referenced back and forth in a self-feeding incestuous wacko circle.

Bush held 1 SHARE in an investment firm that held German Steel interests.

Bush did NOT personally select the investments nor was it illegal to hold German interests before the war.

After WWII broke out- Bush along with 6 other directors were told to remain in control of the firm by the New York Superintendent of Banks until the entire corporation was formally seized by the government in 1942.

Bush, nor any other of the participants were EVER charged with any wrong doing.

End of story

no conspiracy.......

you're a wacko Dohbaugh.........

you obviously spend your time reading wack-tard far-left web-sites......

just as we all suspected............

Period. "

" I'm a Packer fan too CD for almost 47 years! "

" CD- I'm a Vikings fan-

even though they are based on an Icon that is Norwegian-

and that in turn is eerily close to Germany-

An icon that invaded European countries-

An icon which is blonde haired and blue eyed just like the ideal-

.................. Nazi!

Oh no!

Quick Harry Pooper-

can you chase this obvious connection between the Minnesota Vikings and the Nazi's-

back to Prescott Bush........?

I'm bettin' you can!

Now dial the equation into your tin-foil hat an.....

GET CRACKIN'.....! "

" Most of what you say is probably true? Better not tell that to Doh Doh, cd. The whole purpose of the exercise is to get the gasbag Doh Doh worked up, cd, and it works. Most of us who post this sort of thing do it to get him going. He's good cheap entertainment too. He's too easy, and we love to see his reaction to anything said about him.

No disrespect meant, cd, but seriously, if what I post offends you just skip over anything that has my name on it. "

" Harry Potter wrote on Jul 3, 2008 9:13 PM:

" Most of what you say is probably true? Better not tell that to Doh Doh, cd. The whole purpose of the exercise is to get the gasbag Doh Doh worked up, cd, and it works. Most of us who post this sort of thing do it to get him going. He's good cheap entertainment too. He's too easy, and we love to see his reaction to anything said about him.

No disrespect meant, cd, but seriously, if what I post offends you just skip over anything that has my name on it. "

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Everyone has the right to speak, and good to back it up with sources.
Since you stated that you like to stir the pot, I'll make sure to add some salt. LOL
To be honest, their has been once or twice that I posted something just to have some fun with you and Question.

I just wish that the posts could go without the attacks on political affiliations and/or individuals.
Just the topic(facts) Mame/Sir, just the topic/(facts). Was Sgt Joe Friday in this room? "

" Actually, cd, I tried that route when I first started on here, last fall, but it didn't work, so I gave up and decided to give it right back. And as far as facts go, both sides refuse to accept anything the other side says as factual. If the other side says it, it's all lies, or as our friend Bryant L claims, something from the twilight zone. "

" Hey BRYANT, how's the sexual deviance treatment going?

I ask because the obsession with Nazis pooping on Prescott Bush is really.... bizarre.... "

" About the source thing, cd. I usually don't do that, because I know old screwball Doh Doh Lamphier will spend hours trying to find it, and that's part of what make all of this so fun. The thought of him feverishly scouring all of the sites he can find on Prescott, down in his mommy's basement is rather hilarious. "

" Checkout how ole Harry Win-Nut burnt up his tin-foil hat over the weekend feverishly scouring all of the sites he can find on Prescott, down in his mommy's basement.

Right Here: http://tinyurl.com/5c7vqh

Quick- somebody get Harry's "special jacket"........lol..... "

" Hey LEFTY- you sound more ret@rded than usual.......

have you been riding your bike without your helmet again? "