" You might want to hold off on that obituary, Harry. I would remind you that the term imploding is the one used to describe the Democrats, by the right wing radio gasbag and all around nutcase, Rush Limbaugh, right up to the day the Dems took over the House and the Senate. Old windbag Rush has had the democrats imploding for many years now, and after the '94 take over of the House by the Pubs, I seem to recall him proclaiming victory, for himself of course, and that the Democratic party would never rise again. Funny how old Republican icon Limbaugh would take credit for their victories in '94 but failed to take any blame for their defeat last go around. Yesterday, he told his loyal listeners to look out for the Dems, who were planning on bring in bus loads of illegals Mexicans into Pennsylvania to vote for their party. This guy is hilarious, and if you can stand his pomposity, he is fun to listen too, and the best part is knowing that there are people who actually believe his spin. This is evidenced by the fact that most of the callers, who actually get on the air, spend a lot of time fawning over this moron. However, I did enjoy your observation about Bush tripling the national debt, running up a massive deficit, chasing the economy into the tank, attempting to impose a big brother element into the government and gutting habeas corpus, all the while screaming that the Dems are all about tax and spend. It was refreshing to read an editorial calling the Republicans out for their hypocrisy. "

" Harry, you fail to understand the Obama supporter's (by the way, Obama has never asked or told Hillary to drop out) anger toward Hillary Clinton.

We all know that if this situation had been reversed after Super Tuesday (same delegate count, popular vote, States won), even if you waited till after South Carolina and Mississippi's voting, Barack Obama would have been PUSHED/SHOVED/KICKED out of the race and told to come back another day.

The only reason Hillary is still in is because of Bill Clinton ONCE being a well liked ex-president. That's the ONLY reason.

Now Hillary's camp is claiming if the situation were reversed and Obama was pushed out - that the DNC would be considered racists.

Give me a break. That's BULLWICKY! If Hillary was ahead in delegates, popular vote and States won --- everybody and I mean everybody (including me, an Obama supporter) would accept it as a given that she had won. Obama supporters would just hope that Hillary would ask Obama to be her VP.

Simple facts.

If Hillary had been forced out (or walked out honorably as most do) back in early March, none of this fighting would be going on, everybody would be rallying around Obama to beat McCain. Instead, because of Hillary's self interest (and Bill's dream) -- the Democratic just might, as you say, implode - no matter who OFFICIALLY wins.

Thanks to Hillary and Bill Clinton AND their SUPPORTERS. Which you've proven twice now, that you are.

"

" this country would vote for anyone before they'd put a self-proclaimed 71 year old war "hero" in the whitehouse to carry on more of the inept policies of the present disastrous duo.

"

" McCain Booed in Memphis

Senator John McCain, "who says he will court the African-American vote this year and campaign in places Republicans often shun," spoke in Memphis on Friday to mark the 40th anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

But his speech was met with boos and interruptions from many in the audience, as he apologized for repeatedly opposing the creation of a holiday to celebrate King's legacy.

(The image of a black man holding an umbrella over McCain's head while he gave the speech didn't exactly compliment the moment.)

Take a look:

McCain voted against the creation of a holiday honoring King in 1983, a vote which was supported by a large number of Republicans. McCain claimed this week that he was largely unaware on the importance of King's work at the time, due to his Vietnam-era service overseas. Speaking on Thursday to reporters, he explained that his conversion occurred around 1990:

"I voted in my...first year in Congress against it and then I began to learn and I studied and people talked to me. And I not only supported it but I fought very hard in my home state of Arizona for recognition against a governor who was of my own party."

But McCain's voting record since 1990 doesn't support this explanation. In addition to voting to oppose a state holiday in 1987 (which he later supported) and a federal holiday in 1989, McCain voted in 1994 to cut funding for the commission that promoted King's holiday. "

" father bob wrote on Apr 4, 2008 10:56 AM:
" this country would vote for anyone before they'd put a self-proclaimed 71 year old war "hero" in the whitehouse to carry on more of the inept policies of the present disastrous duo.

He's not a self-proclaimed "hero". Like most military men who suffered, he denies being a hero and instead refers to the ones who gave the ultimate sacrifice as heroes. The man was TORTURED in a POW camp for his service to his country. What have you done to give you the right to criticize his service?
"

" Early Bird

I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh, I'm too busy making a living, but if he said those things, he did not get it wrong proclaiming victory in ‘94’. He simply confused conservative principles with the Republican party. Since you mentioned the national debt, if it weren’t for Illinois’ very own, absolutely worthless, ex-Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert that came into power and controlled what earmarks and other legislation got voted on, Republicans might still be in power in congress. But what do you expect of ANY Illinois politician from north of I-80? Answer: Nothing…except for corruption and ineptitude (Rostenkowski, Walker, George Ryan, Moseley-Braun, Comrade Blago, etc.).

I’m not sure what poor economy you’re talking about. Oh yeah, maybe the one the liberal media started manufacturing in the news since 2002, but now has really started since the credit fiasco has occurred.

What big brother element? I’ve not seen in the news any legal cases debated because U.S. citizen’s rights have been violated because of the Patriot act, have you? Last I knew habeas corpus doesn’t apply to non-U.S. citizens outside of U.S. borders. I’ve not seen habeas corpus suspended within the U.S. on our citizens, have you?

If you’re concerned with Big Brother you may want to stay out of the any large city in the U.S. Most of these cities, democrat-havens like in New York City, while you're on the street you’re being photographed about a hundred times a day.

And we’ll see what hypocrisy occurs once B. Hussein Obama gets elected president. Who ya’all gonna blame when things get worse having a democrat president, rated the most liberal of all sitting U.S. senators, once he’s raised taxes to send the U.S. and the world into depression, all while raising the white flag of surrender in Iraq allowing Iran and OPEC cronies to further squeeze oil supplies, and all with a democrat congress with an 11% approval rating? Yeah, point the finger right in your own chest. It looks like to me that the current state of liberal utopia Illinois is a taste of what we'll get with dems in power at the fed level after 2008. By the way why is it you folks never complain about the decrepit state of affairs in Illinois? Now there's hypocrisy for you.

And father bob, I’m hard pressed to vote for McCain, but I would say McCain’s lack of knowledge concerning MLK is about as good as B. Hussein Obama’s lack of knowledge of rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Black Liberation Theology. Let’s see McCain sat in a Hanoi prison, bound and tortured as a POW for 6 years, in a war started by a democrat president and congress I might add, not knowing about MLK’s “impact”. B. Hussein Obama sat in rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church pews for years not knowing Wright was espousing rev. James Cone’s Black Liberation and Black Power doctrine (see Cone’s 1969 book) for 22 years from his pulpit. Yep, sounds plausible to me.

Go ahead and reply by assaulting character and intelligence...I expect that.....
"

" Now, surely the right-wing goose-steppers must agree with their little mouthpiece Neil Cavuto, don't they?
Neil Cavuto on Fox News, Feb. 6, 2008: "I'm also hearing a lot of people are waiting for Senator McCain to snap; for him to do something crazy and that just as he's on the verge of winning this, he's gonna go, you know, kinda like a Norman Bates deal." "

" Coonbug, I hope you can explain something to me. I have been amazed how the Clintons have fallen from grace so quickly. Just what is it that has turned the people in their own party against them and when did it happen. As far as I can see the Clintons are no different than they ever were. They have always used the tactics they are using now to get what they want and basicly feel it is their right. However, before when people such as myself would mention it we were just part of the vast right wing conspiracy out to get the Clintons. I am curious as to what it was that finally got other people saying the same thing. I am interested in your thoughts on this. "

" ED MORRISSEY- "The Barack Obama campaign showed its take on “New Politics” last night with an event in North Dakota, where the candidate generated a lot of buzz. Liberal talkmeister Ed Schultz created even more with his introduction of Obama. While warming up the crowd, Schultz called John McCain a “warmonger”, after which Obama thanked him for his speech"

I hope Obama runs with that theme- McCain the "warmonger". I would like to see how that plays with the majority of Americans. But how much do you want to bet that ole Barry Hussein does another Rev Wright number and says: "A....that's not how I feel.....but we need to look at ourselves and try to understand.....that McCain really is a warmonger. But that's not how I feel.....but the feeling is valid....but I didn't hear him say that........uhm......you can't pick your spokes-person........er...a...you can, but......well, I wasn't aware that he.......look I didn't hear it!" "

" I saw this on another site and thought it was too good not to share.

There are two kinds of Republicans, millionaires and suckers....there sure are a lot of suckers out there.

I wonder which category our local Republican posters fall under.

I'll bet their all millionaires. LOL "

" The Democratic Tribes at War- By Michael Barone

Exit polls have shown that the contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama has produced deep divisions among Democratic constituencies. It looks something like tribal warfare. Whites have voted, if you average the results from the states, 53 percent to 39 percent for Clinton; blacks, 80 percent to 17 percent for Obama; Latinos, 58 percent to 39 percent for Clinton; Asians, in California (the one primary state where they’re numerous enough to gauge), 71 percent to 25 percent for Clinton.

The differences in voting by the young, overwhelmingly for Obama, and the elderly, overwhelmingly for Clinton, are as large as any I can remember in either a primary or general election. Upscale voters are heavily for Obama; downscale voters are heavily for Clinton.

As the contest has continued, increasing percentages of Clinton and Obama voters say they wouldn’t vote for the other candidate against John McCain.

But the exit polls don’t show another tribal division, one that emerges when you examine the election returns by county and congressional district. In state after state — from New Hampshire and Michigan to Texas and Ohio — Obama runs unusually strongly in counties with large universities. Academics — and I include here those who choose to live in university towns as well as those actually in or teaching school — seem to find Obama particularly appealing.

Also, Obama runs unusually well in many state capitals — Concord, Lansing, Tallahassee, Atlanta, Nashville, Santa Fe, Dover, Jefferson City, Sacramento, Trenton, Madison, Columbus, Austin — which of course have unusual concentrations of public employees (and in some cases big universities, as well).

Clinton’s highest percentages come in counties with large numbers of Latinos and what I call Jacksonians. You can see the latter in counties in what is loosely called Appalachia — southwest Virginia, southern Ohio, the north end of Georgia, non-metropolitan Tennessee, northern Alabama, northeast Mississippi, all of Arkansas, southern Missouri, eastern Oklahoma, east and central Texas.

These are lands that were settled by the colonial-era immigrants from northern England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland and their descendants, who thronged down the Appalachian chain and then, like their heroes Andrew Jackson and Sam Houston, kept going southwest.

Clinton’s strong performance among Jacksonians may reflect her positive appeal (it certainly does in Arkansas), but it also seems to reflect a distaste for Obama. Buchanan County, Va., which borders the yet-to-vote states of West Virginia and Kentucky, voted 90 percent for Clinton and 9 percent for Obama.

What’s behind these sharp divisions? You could sum it up by saying that Jacksonians are fighters and academics (and public employees) are not. Jacksonians fought fierce battles against Indians as they moved southwest; they have always made up a disproportionate share of the American military (and were on both sides in the Civil War).

As historian David Hackett Fischer writes in Albion’s Seed, they believe in natural liberty — I’ll leave you alone if you’ll leave me alone, but if you attack my family or my country, I’ll kill you. Academics are, to say the least, lightly represented in the American military, and in economic terms they tend to compete with the military for public dollars. They seek honor for the work of peace as fiercely as Jacksonians seek honor for the feats of war.

Barack Obama notes again and again on the campaign trail that he spoke out against going to war in 2002 and calls for withdrawal from Iraq, though on terms that he leaves hazy and vague. This suits academics — and many journalists with similar mindsets — just fine. It’s in line with their portrayal of our soldiers as victims, not heroes, and their portrayal of the academics (Obama used to teach at the University of Chicago Law School) who spoke out against the war as the true heroes.

Hillary Clinton, from the beginning of the year, has portrayed herself consistently as a fighter, on the campaign trail if not in Iraq, and has done best when she kept fighting while her campaign seemed on the brink of collapse. Her story about being under fire in Bosnia turned out to be untrue, but it is true that we have seen her rebound from adversity multiple times over the last 15 years.

Polling suggests that the Democratic nominee may not be able to count on the losing candidate’s tribes in November. Academics and young people and blacks may not turn out in extraordinary numbers for Clinton, as they have for Obama, and the upscale may prefer McCain to a tax increase.

Similarly, Jacksonians, the elderly, the downscale, and Latinos may prefer the very Jacksonian McCain to Obama. All of which should worry the superdelegates who must determine who wins the Democrats’ tribal war. "

" Just Wondering: When a member of the family starts standing with enemy
while attacking a member of their own family -- the FAMILY will walk away.

Hillary's campaign pushing the race issue (is Obama black enough, or other comments by Bill), her comments about Obama not meeting the standards to be Command-n-chief, he campaign accusing Obama's campaign of voting issues, etc.. That was bad.

But when it's proven that the other guy has won (if situation were reversed, Obama would have been forced out long ago, but because of who she was married to...she stays in) and Hillary continues to push this race clear to the convention knowing it will hurt the Party -- then YOU become the enemy.

She's HELPING the GOP come up with their campaign strategy against Obama. She's showing what works and what doesnt. Otherwise, if she had gotten out a month ago, McCain would be in HER spot, trying to find things that hurt him politically.

She's GIVING the race away all so she can claim victory by stealing the nomination....but losing the General. "

" Oh please. In the end, this will all work out. It will probably be Obama, he will raise an ungodly amount of cash, and this whole superdelegate thing will be forgotten. And even if its Clinton, same scenario. So ya, I know people like to play armchair quarterback, but in the end, this will be just a blip. I guess people just need something to talk about. "

" For the NeoCon Academician-

Good of you to give Limbaugh credit for the 94' elections, even though you claim not to listen to him. It also appears that you pulled the old let's blame the congress routine over expenditures. The Reagan supporters did them same thing in explaining that issue when Reagan was in power. The one point you, and they, almost always leave out, is the power of the veto. Bush, until the last year or so rarely used that option in trying to control the runaway costs of government. When it comes to spending, the two biggest spenders of this century have both been supposed conservative Republicans. Now you can spin that anyway you want, but is basically true and you know it.

The economy I'm talking about is the economy of today. This is not something created by the "liberal media" as you try to portray it as. I'm talking about the economy that is so bad that the politicians feel they have to send checks out to everyone in order to try to stimulant it.

No, we have not seen any cases involving habeas corpus in this country, yet. Given the Bush penchant for secrecy and the maintaining of secret prisons, or as some call them gulags, all over the planet, it may be a while before that comes to light. When the history of this administration is finally written, I think we will all be shocked at the depth of deception that has been perpetrated on our country.

Nice try on your part, comparing traffic control cameras, commonly used in metropolitan areas, with Bush's wiretapping program. And the last time I looked, the city of New York, has been controlled for the last several years by a Republican. Not apples to oranges, my friend.

Your use of Obama's middle name is nothing more than cheap attempt to make him out as a Muslim. You right wingers have been trying that tactic for months now, and it's not working. When called out for that, your type always cry, well, that's his name isn't' it? But you know darn good and well why you're doing it, and so do most normal thinking people, and that's why it's not working. He was raised as a Christian and you know it. I also noticed that at this point in your dissertation you started relying speculation and started drifting off onto typical right wing talking points. Dragging the sorry state of Illinois condition seems a bit of a red herring to me. Illinois politicians are not the issue here. And as far as comparing the state of affairs comparing Democrats to Republicans at the federal level. Care to compare the Clinton years with the Bush years? I'll take a return to those days anytime over the continuation of Bush's failed policies.

Now for the issue that the neocons are doing their best to drag out, Obama's church. Did you actually listen to Obama's response? Or did you just listen to the snippets replayed over and over by the right wing Fox news and the like? Many people have discussed this issue on this site and a lot of people have made the point that they have don't always agree with what is being said from the pulpit of their church. Case in point: do you really think most good Catholics follow the churches policy on birth control. Funny that you don't see all of those good Catholics taking 10 or 12 kids into Church every week. Why is that?

I hope that you didn't find my response as an attack on your character, or your intelligence. I reserve that style for those that attack me or question my intelligence, and if you read the comments on here very often, you know that is a regular habit of many, from both sides. "

" Michael Barone and Ed Morrissey?

Now there's a couple of fair minded commentators.

While Barone seems a little more towards the center on some issues, Morrissey is about as far right as the adorable and usually shrieking Ann Coulter.

That's some really credible support you've got there, Doh. LOL "

" OMG! Did I call this or what!

AP- “John McCain is not a warmonger and should not be described as such. He’s a supporter of a war that Senator Obama believes should have never been authorized and never been waged,” said Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki. The campaign stressed that Obama was not present when the comment was made and that Schultz is not a campaign surrogate."

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

He did it AGAIN! Just like the Rev Wright comments, Obama "was not present when the comment was made"!
Do you believe this guy? He's never around when HIS PEOPLE say stupid things. Unbelievable!


"

" Here's more.....

The campaign stressed that Obama was not present when the “warmonger” comment was made and that Schultz is not a campaign surrogate.

That wasn’t enough for the McCain campaign, which pressed Obama to personally repudiate Schultz.

“Barack Obama promises a new brand of politics, but today refused to directly denounce Ed Schultz and his vicious smear attack on John McCain. John McCain is committed to a civil debate worthy of the American people and has a record of standing by that commitment,” said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. “Senator Obama must personally and publicly repudiate his campaign supporter’s attacks — rather than give tacit approval to this blatant smear — or his rhetoric of change will be exposed as nothing but words.”

The McCain campaign likens the insult to the language used by conservative radio talk show host Bill Cunningham, who rallied the crowd for McCain in Cincinnati, Ohio, in late February by repeatedly invoking Obama’s middle name, “Hussein,” mocking him as a “hack” and suggesting that as president he’d cozy up to Hezbollah and Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. McCain condemned Cunningham, prompting a fierce response from the talk show host.

On Friday, however, Obama thanked Schultz and called him the “voice of progressive radio.” Obama also appeared as a guest on his radio show earlier in the week.

Without realizing Obama’s campaign had commented on the matter, McCain said Saturday afternoon in Prescott, Ariz., that Schultz’ “kind of language is unnecessary for this campaign.”

“I hope that in keeping with the spirit of Senator Obama that they … will condemn such language since it was a part of his campaign,” he said.

After learning about Cunningham’s incendiary comments from advisers after the February event, McCain rebuked and disassociated himself with the talk show host minutes later at a press conference. The presumptive GOP nominee repeatedly has vowed to run a “respectful” race and campaign officials were attempting to draw a contrast between McCain’s quick condemnation of Cunningham’s remarks and Obama’s reaction. "

" Obama is caught, even as King was. The moment whites fear he is raising the political volume, he's savaged with every bludgeon of convenience, starting with the robust sermons of the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sin is to have reminded whites that there are black Americans who are really angry. "Damn America," roared the Rev Wright. King was just as rough at Riverside Church in the speech that so terrified the white elites: "I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government." Honesty of this sort from a black politician in America extorts due retribution.
— ALEXANDER COCKBURN "

" If Martin Luther King were alive today there would be no need for gunfire. He died just as he began speaking out forcefully against the Vietnam War. Were he alive to speak out against the occupation of Iraq -- as he undoubtedly would -- it's easy to imagine how the the character assassins would conduct their hit.
First, an "unnamed source" in the Justice Department would start talking to friendly reporters -- off the record, of course -- about "evidence" that Dr. King was receiving money from suspect Middle Eastern sources. Then the FBI's recordings of Dr. King's private life would be leaked to a friendly media outlet -- probably Matt Drudge. After that, Fox News would scour all the available video of Dr. King's speeches, carefully editing them so that they sound more inflammatory and less peace-loving. They would then broadcast them in an endless loop, as the YouTube hits of these misleading clips reached into the millions.
That's a much more effective way to destroy someone than a gun. Bullets only kill the physical body, but character assassination destroys the person's reputation -- and their political effectiveness.
Martyrs are a powerful force, but disgraced leaders
can't threaten the status quo.
— RJ ESKOW "

" The following is dedicated to the number one Bush apologist and fan on this site, Spider Doh:

When running for president, George W. Bush made a lot lot of political hay from promises he'd bring honor back to government. And yet on this date in 2006, Bush's deputy press secretary for homeland Security. Brian Doyle, was arrested for attempting to corrupt a 14 year old girl. Doyle, 55, was charged with seven counts of using a computer to seduce a supposedly underage child (actually and undercover detective) and 16 counts of transmission of harmful material to a minor.

Now we all know that Bush appoints people based on their politics and not on qualifications. Case in point: Bremer in Iraq, and "Heck of a job" Brownie at FEMA. So I think it's fairly safe to say that Doyle was one of those good old boy Republicans, that Bush likes to reward, with either no-bid contracts or a cushy government jobs. One of those good old fashioned Republican values, huh, Doh?

And for my fan, eddie miller, sorry ed, but I can't dedicate all of my Bush Moment in History lessons to you. There are other deserving right wingers out there, like Doh, who enjoy them too. "

" "Case in point: do you really think most good Catholics follow the churches policy on birth control."

---------

Well now Early Bird-

for your analogy to work- we would first have to accept the premise that Rev Wright's statements were in fact-

ESTABLISHED DOGMA-

of Trinity United Church of Christ-

and that, Obama-

HAD TO BE AWARE OF THIS DOCTRINE.

No? "

" Oh and Early Bird-

When can we expect "The Question"-

to blow in here and elaborate on the ridiculousness of Barry Hussein's-

silly belief in Jesus Christ?

Could you be a pal and ask ole "Question", that question for me?

Oh- and- tell him to throw in some Jeffersonian quotes to really make Barry Hussein look like some dim-witted back-water bible-thumping inbred.

Can you do that for me E.B.?

Thanks Bird! "

" Early Bird...
Oh, I’ve listened to Rush. I just haven’t listened to him in a long time. Besides, if one doesn’t listen to the likes of Rush, Savage, Coulter, Reagan, or even Fox News how else would one get an opposing or fair and balanced view? One would certainly not get it from the main stream, read into that liberal media. Beside the fact that surveying shows that something like 80% of the media identified themselves as being liberals or at least democrats, let’s just take a look at the political persuasions of the big names in the past and present, in the mainstream (liberal) media. Walter Conkrite, Bill Moyer, Dan Rather, Tom Bradley, Charles Kuralt, Keith Olberman, Tom Brokaw, Brian Williams, Katie Couric (sister is a democrat Virginia politician), and Chris Matthews (who gushes with a school girl crush when he’s around B. Hussein Obama) widely recognized "journalists" are all identified as having liberal persuasions. It’s the whole reason why print media readership like the New York Times and L.A. Times, along with the CBS, NBC, ABC nightly news audience, has declined. Once the internet and cable TV gave readers and viewer’s alternatives to these “gatekeepers” of reporting, these nightly news anchors and the big coast newspapers, the public caught on and noticed the liberal slant in their reporting. It's why Fox is the #1 cable news show.

From political science 101, congress has the “power of the purse strings” and the Speaker controls what legislation sees the light of day. I will give you the point that Bush should have used his veto powers to control the spending legislation presented by Hastert. I can’t agree with your “the two biggest spenders of this century” analogy since Bush has been the only President this century. In the last century, per capita, Roosevelt (New Deal) and Johnson (Great Society) were the biggest spenders. But I’ll give it to you that you are alluding to Reagan and GWB. Reagan was trying to build up our military and turn our economy around from the disastrous Carter years while giving the dem-controlled congress their social entitlements. Yeah, he was “guilty’ of that but because of him we’ve gotten 20 years of economic growth. And yeah, GWB was guilty of the tax cuts that kept us out of recession after 9/11 and for not vetoing worthless Hastert’s legislation and leadership in the house.

I agree that Pelosi, Reid, and Bush are all guilty for the impotent, rebate check stimulus plan. They are all “playing politics”.

Surely, you have a better argument than “we have not seen any cases involving habeas corpus in this country, yet”? We’ve yet to see any asteroids coming toward the earth to wipe us out like the dinosaurs, so should be start yelling “the sky is falling” now like henny-penny?

What secret prisons? Oh, you mean Guantanamo? We all know about that what one. It’s been heavily scrutinized in the media. Or do you mean the secret prisons in Pakistan, China, Russia (gulags) and everywhere else that foreign countries are running inside of their own countries? Or do you mean the secret prisons Al-Qaeda’s had in Afghanistan, Somalia, and Iraq cutting off the heads of soldiers, journalists, and innocent bystanders? And when history evaluates GWB’s tenure historians will question why democrats questioned the measures Bush took after 9/11. His actions will pall in comparison to Adam’s Sedition Acts of 1798, Lincoln’s use of martial law during the Civil War, the use of the Federal Espionage Act from between 1918 and 1920, and FDR’s internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII. As for the wiretapping issue, members of congress on both sides of the aisle have been involved and knowledgeable of the circumstances involved all wiretapping done under the Patriot Act, upon scurrilous foreigners OUTSIDE OF THE US. Democrats, as always, have played upon the ignorance of the American public, regarding the use of wiretaps against foreign nationals bent on destroying the US. But again, show me one case where American civil liberties or Constitutional rights have been violated. You can’t.

As for the traffic control cameras versus wiretapping programs, New York’s Giuliani, and especially Bloomberg, are RINO’s (Republicans in name only). The rest of NYC, except for maybe Wall Street, is a democrat haven, period. And it’s not apples and oranges. In London, the average denizen is photographed, on average, 150 times a day. In Singapore if you so much as throw a cig butt on the ground or not flush a toilet in a public restroom, government big brother police arrests you or gives you a ticket. Research the American kid in Singapore that got sentenced to bullwhipping for spray paint graffiti. The point is you dems keep spouting off about abuses by Bush to the American public when there’ve been none. Yet, when actual rights have been or are being taken, like the gun bans in Chicago and Washington DC and smoking in public, you say nothing.

Using B. Hussein Obama’s name in this way IS fair game. Parish the thought, highlighting his middle name to illustrate a similarity to the radicals we are fighting in SW Asia. Oh, but I guess “normal thinking people” have been okay when you dems refer to George W. Bush in a derogatory manner as “Dubya”. And I guess it has been okay when we’ve seen the Peter Grimes cartoons in the JG-TC painting GWB with big ears and having a less than intelligent look on his face. And it’s been okay when the liberal media has described GWB as stupid or as a “cowboy” or as using “cowboy diplomacy” even when he has a Harvard MBA. With all due respect, get over it. You’re not going to win the “B. Hussein Obama” name point.

Yes, I searched out and listened to rev. Wright’s diatribe on the net and on youtube.com too. I saw TUCC’s website before they changed it too. It’s more than a Catholics not using BC issue. BHO may be a Black Liberation Theology “Christian” now but he’s not been raised as a “Christian” from childhood as you suggest. BHO just said recently that rev. Wright brought him to his “Christian” faith and not that long ago. To be honest, I’m more concerned then man is a communist, rather than a Muslim, from all the promises he’s made and with no way to pay for them except through imposed wealth re-distribution. Obama’s mother, anthropologist Anne Durham, described by a March 27, 2007 Chicago Tribune article as a “communist sympathizer”, when they lived in Indonesia allowed B. Hussein Obama’s Muslim stepfather at take him to mosque at least more than a few times. As the article “Obama's women reveal his secret” in Asia-online.com says, “radical anti-Americanism, rather than Islam, was the reigning faith in the Dunham household. In the Muslim world of the 1960s, nationalism rather than radical Islam was the ideology of choice…” warrants questioning his ties to rev. Wright and the Black Liberation Theology found in the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Ahhh, but then again you’re not going to see any of this brought up in the liberal mainstream media, that gushes over BHO are you?

Dragging the sorry state of Illinois’ condition is fair game too. Obama’s a democrat from Chicago. He’s got ties to the corrupt democrat machine in Chicago. It’s how he got elected at the state level pushing out fellow democrat Bobby Rush. I know I lived in Chicago. Do I have to say Rostenkowski, Daily, Sr. (’68 election where the dead voted), and Comrade Blago again, or do I need to include Tony Rezko? And BHO’s promising everything to everybody like with his tuition waivers and “everybody gets a job” promises, lately, is an indication of how he will be as a president. It reminds me of California under Gray Davis with a demo-controlled congress. Gridlock, just like in Illinois now, occurred. And remember Ol’ Gray Davis promised everything to everybody but couldn’t pay for it. The unions in the state turned on him like wolves, kinda like the dems turning on Hillary now, and now the “Govenator” is in power in Galifornia. Oh, but wait a minute. Maybe it will be good to have Obama as President with a democrat controlled congress. I can’t wait to return to the Carter good ‘ol days of stagflation, 10% unemployment, and 20% interest rates. It’ll only be a matter of time then that dems start eating their young because of their disastrous socialist policies on the US. It’ll be too bad we’ll have become a two-bit has been social democracy though.

I appreciate discussion without attacks upon intelligence or character assassination, thanks.

"

" Sullivan: Rumsfeld, Addington, Yoo should fear being indicted as war criminals if they leave the U.S.»
On The Chris Matthews Show this morning, the Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan said that recent release of the Yoo torture memo means “that Donald Rumsfeld, David Addington, and John Yoo should not leave the United States anytime soon. They will be at some point indicted for war crimes,” he said.
"

" Coonbug, thanks for your thoughts on this matter. As I said before, I don't see much difference in how the Clintons have operated compared to how they do in the past. Raising the race issue, I definitely agree is out of bounds. Questioning if someone has the experiences and qualifications to be president I think is a valid point. I do find it interesting that was also the issue when Bill ran the first time, and back then he didn't think it mattered that much, but he does now. Sounds like they need to take to heart the mantra Reagan had "Speak no ill of a fellow Republican". Again thanks for your thoughts on this. "

" the republicans are a loveable bunch of rascals? bush, cheney, rumsfeld, et al? i find it impossible to simply dismiss them as a loveable bunch of rascals. "

" Hi BRYANT. Lefty here.

I would like to sum up a vast array of your arguments with simple statements... now bare with me... I think I have found a trend...
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Barack HUSSEIN Obama

B.HUSSEIN hangs out with angry black people!

BHO! Reverend Wright! BHO! Reverend Wright!

Republicans = good and cotton candy. Oh! And puppies!!!

Democrats dont equal terrorists. They just do what terrorists want them to do (you usually follow this up with "it's up to you to interpret).

The Iraq war was just! If I repeat it enough, it becomes true!

Saddam and Al Qaeda totally did it once!

We can trust the govt when it comes to the war! They dont lie!

If Democrats controlled govt, we couldnt trust them! Remember, they do what the terrorists want!

Democrats lie unless they support a Republican idea.

Ooooooooooooooh puppies!
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Now BRYANT, I know this was a simplistic analysis of your rhetoric, but I work only with the material given. "

" Hi LEFTY. Bryant here.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is his name- are you ashamed of that lefty?

Barack HUSSEIN Obama does indeed hang out with angry black people- he just denies he ever knew about it.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama- What? I never heard Reverend Wright! Barack HUSSEIN Obama- Huh? I didn't know about Reverend Wright!

Republicans = good and cotton candy. Oh! And puppies!!!- Nope! Kittens.

Democrats MIGHT equal terrorists. They usually say the same things what terrorists say. (I usually follow this up with "you tell me- Liberals").

The Iraq war WAS just! No matter how many lies the Libs repeat!

Saddam and Al Qaeda totally did it multiple times! - got the documents to prove it!

We can't trust the Democrats in govt when it comes to the war! They usually lie!

If Democrats controlled govt (or not), we couldnt trust them! Remember, they want what the terrorists want!

Democrats usually lie even when they support a Republican idea.

Ooooooooooooooh kitties!

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There- fix it fer ya- lefty. "

" "Now BRYANT, I know this was a simplistic analysis of your rhetoric, but I work only with the material given."

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Now don't be so humble- lefty.
I know how complicated that was for ya - I'm proud of you little fella! "

" I guess we just have a different view of the world and our government, NeoCon A. It looks like I provided you with some entertainment on the fine day we had yesterday. I guess this is time for me to say something about the old agree to disagree thing. You have your views and I have mine, and it seems rather silly to go back and forth. Just one comment about your response: it seems as though you are sort of playing the old sky is falling theme too. Anyway thanks for your mature and complete explanation of your ideas. I would remind you that Barry Goldwater and Hubert Humphrey were the best of friends. Have a good day, my friend. "

" """What have you done to give you the right to criticize his service?
"""
i can be critical of anyone i wish, and if i had donated to his campaign fund, you can bet your a55 i'd be plenty PO'd at the dollars he's spent criss-crossing the nation touting how wonderful and patriotic his family has been. i would think if they were all that wonderful and patriotic, historians would certainly point that out to us.

so he got shot down and tortured, so did a lot of other americans, one i knew personally.....he just got preferential treatment because he was an admiral's son. they would have killed him otherwise. "

" More of those Republican family values:
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From The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter —
Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain’s intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain’s hair and said, “You’re getting a little thin up there.” McCain’s face reddened, and he responded, “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c**t.” McCain’s excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.
"

" The WallStreet Journal-
Sen. Barack Obama’s Philadelphia speech on race relations last month seemed to put the controversial remarks of his former pastor behind him. But three weeks later, there is evidence of lingering damage.

“It has not been defused,” says David Parker, a North Carolina Democratic Party official and unpledged superdelegate. He says his worries about Republicans questioning Sen. Obama’s patriotism prompted him to raise the issue of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.’s remarks in conversations with both the Obama and Clinton campaigns. … "

" The WallStreet Journal-
Recent polls suggest that, in key swing states, the New York senator fares better in head-to-head matchups with Republican nominee Sen. John McCain than does Sen. Obama. In Ohio, Sen. Clinton led Sen. McCain 48% to 39%, while Sen. Obama led Sen. McCain 43% to 42% in Quinnipiac University polls conducted in the last week of March.

In Pennsylvania, Sen. Clinton had a 48% to 40% lead against Sen. McCain while Sen. Obama was ahead 43% to 39%. The polls credit Sen. Clinton’s advantage to her strength among white voters. No Democrat has won the presidency with a majority of white voters since 1964, and no president from either party has been elected without winning two of the three swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida since 1960. In those three states, some 23% of white Democrats would defect to Sen. McCain in a matchup with Sen. Obama, compared with 11% who would abandon Sen. Clinton, according to the Quinnipiac polls. "

" neo states: Oh yeah, maybe the one the liberal media started manufacturing in the news since 2002, but now has really started since the credit fiasco has occurred.
Heh, liberal media? Check this out:
Here are the number of times, according to NEXIS, that various topics have been mentioned in the media over the past thirty days:

“Yoo and torture” - 102

“Mukasey and 9/11″ — 73

“Yoo and Fourth Amendment” — 16

“Obama and bowling” — 1,043

“Obama and Wright” — More than 3,000 (too many to be counted)

“Obama and patriotism” - 1,607

“Clinton and Lewinsky” — 1,079

The sad thing is that the mainstream press really does believe that things like Obama’s poor bowling skills and the Clinton’s tax returns are more important stories than, say, the trillion dollar war that continues to rage on with no end in sight or a collapsing economy. Like Glenn says, people care about the petty stuff because the media loves to tell themselves that they do.

C:\Documents and Settings\rballard\My Documents\Crooks and Liars » Your MSM In Action.htm "

" More examples of "liberal media"....Chris Matthews liberal? Bwhahahahahaaaaaa

NBC’s Chris Matthews: “The press loves McCain. We’re his base.”

Chris Loves George, Part 1: Bush sometimes "glimmers" with "sunny nobility

Chris Loves George, Part 2: "Everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs ..."

Chris Loves George, Part 3: Matthews praised Bush speech as "brilliant" even before it was delivered.

Chris Loves George, Part 4: Bush "belongs on Mount Rushmore."

Matthews on the filibuster debate: Democrats are "just sort of pouting and bitching."

Matthews repeatedly smeared Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. On April 24, Matthews attacked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) by referring to her as a "sort of a Madame Defarge of the left."
Matthews's panels consistently skew to the right. Matthews has hosted numerous MSNBC panels that contained far more conservative commentators than progressives.

and now the liberal media attacks a 16 year old girl who simply asked a question as a heckler.


Media For McCain: Ask A Tough Question, You’re A “Heckler”
Published April 6, 2008 in CNN, John McCain, Media and Media For McCain.


There are liberal commentators in the media but the msm is FAR from liberal.




"

" """Bryant Lamphier wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:29 PM:Saddam and Al Qaeda totally did it multiple times! - got the documents to prove it!"""

pervert!

"

" From the REAGAN DIARIES------entry dated May 17, 1986.

"A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his n’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida ; the one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work." "

" "pervert!"

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Tell it to lefty- fatherbob- it's his story.

Besides- takes one to know one. "

" "From the REAGAN DIARIES------entry dated May 17, 1986"

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Care to source that urban legend- fatherbob? "

" HEY QUESTION!

Can you believe that Barry Hussein Obama believes in Jesus Christ?

I mean really?

Would you ever vote for someone who believes in such fairy-tale nonsense- Question?

You need to set the ObamaZombies straight in here- Question.

Tell them how only someone with limited intellectual abilities would ever profess to "believe" in that fanciful tripe.

Oh, but hey- you say it much more eloquently than I do.

So go ahead and tell 'em Question!

And throw in some Jeffersonian quotes for good measure.

Go get'em tiger! "

"
Bryant Lamphier wrote on Apr 7, 2008 3:41 PM:
" "From the REAGAN DIARIES------entry dated May 17, 1986"

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Care to source that urban legend- fatherbob? "

_____________________

here's the Amazon link so you can buy you own hardback.....Moron

http://www.amazon.com/Reagan-Diaries-Ronald/dp/006087600X "

" Bryant Lamphier wrote on Apr 7, 2008 3:26 PM:
" "pervert!"

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Besides- takes one to know one. ""


yeah but my perversion is towards the female of our species.... "

" "here's the Amazon link so you can buy you own hardback.....Moron"

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Tsk tsk - bob

Now I heard that quote is an urban legend, bob-

So- what left-wing blog did you pull it from- moron.
"

" "yeah but my perversion is towards the female of our species.... "

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Tell it to lefty- bob

Sooooo......you admit that you're a perv, huh- bob?

Thanks for sharing bob. "

" Sooner or later, all conversations that Doh is involved with will turn toward perversion. "

" Hot topic on the Internet today. Condoleeza Rice is trolling for the VP nomination. This is hilarious, considering the disportionate number of racists, and gay haters, in the Republican party, and in addition is is pretty well understood that she is a lesbian. Oh my, what would the bigots and homophobes, like a certain war mongering homophobe that posts on here hourly, do if she did get the nod? I am sure McCain is aware of all of this and she really won't get the nod, but it's fun to speculate how this would play out. I'm sure Bush and Cheney will be working behind closed doors for her, but I really think McCain is too smart for that, and besides he still has to burn after how Bush and Cheney scre#$@ over him in 2000. A black lesbian VP candidate for the Republicans, this is too much. "

" Video: Murtha can’t get enough of the sweet, sweet pork

Not one blessed thing in the clip will surprise you if you’re a right-wing blog reader of any duration. His staggering gluttony in this area has made him a target of even left-wing outfits like CREW; the Journal went so far last year as to describe his hometown as having been wholly “rebuilt” by the endless stream of federal money flowing into it. The point to take away about Murtha isn’t simply his piggishness but the arrogance he displays about it. That’s what got him in trouble in the Abscam tape, which CBS gloriously excerpts in the clip. Most lawmakers subject to a House censure vote for threatening a colleague on earmarks would show at least perfunctory contrition. He sits there during the roll on the House floor and laughs.
Come for the awesome money/conveyor graphic, stay for Murtha’s aides shutting his office door in CBS’s face. Exit question instruction: Name that party. Here's a hint; it's not the GOP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcSYOo7HXy0 "

" Early Bird...

Concerning "I guess this is time for me to say something about the old agree to disagree thing" and "I would remind you that Barry Goldwater and Hubert Humphrey were the best of friends", agreed. I look forward to your thoughts in future posts.

Neo "

" Becky..

I am not quite sure where you are going with your posts regarding my posting. Nexis is a fine search engine, among many academic search engines. I am assuming that you are trying to show correlation to support your argument.

My observation of Chris Matthews, over time, is that he tries very hard to ensure an appearance of impartiality and professionalism despite his political, leftward leanings.

You might want to be careful to not post your root directories, as it appears that it is, C:\Documents and Settings\rballard\My Documents\Crooks and Liars » Your MSM In Action.htm " on a blog. Someone knowing who you are and savvy with a computer, through DOS, could ping your computer for open ports and have immediate access to your computer through the directories you provided them. "

" Thank you, Neo. I'm sure it will happen. "

" I think it's the Republicans party that is imploding, Harry. The right wingers have yet to accept McCain as their nominee. They are mad as hell that the far right got ignored during the early primaries. I think that Limbaugh is seeing the writing on the wall, and is scared to death of losing out on being an influence for his party. I heard one of the radio wackos, Limbaugh, yesterday screaming at McCain for saying he would like to have a civil contest. This loud mouth jerk kept hollering "they are the enemy, and they need to be destroyed". No wonder there is so much polarization over politics, that is if this jerk represents the majority of Republicans. I think too many people are sick and tired of the Republican party, and this will result in a Democrat getting into the White house. Although I do see Limbaugh and his imitators, like Sean Hannity, claiming victory right up until election eve. "

"
Bryant Lamphier wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:44 PM:
" "yeah but my perversion is towards the female of our species.... "


i really love the white women bryant "

" "i really love the white women bryant"

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A lot of people do.

Thanks for sharing- fatherbob.......? "

" Video: Obamas 100 Years of War Lie- Ed Morrissey

The Barack Obama campaign has begun to feel the heat from their 100 Years of War lie. After the Columbia Journalism Review scolded the media for letting Obama off the hook for the distortion and the Washington Post gave Obama two Pinocchios for fibbing, the campaign and the candidate have belatedly tried backtracking. Now they insist that they never said that John McCain would have us at war for 100 years but have our troops deployed overseas for that length of time. David Axelrod tried that tack with Joe Scarborough on MS-NBC, but this mash-up proves that someone isn’t telling the truth:

http://tinyurl.com/446o4m

Is this the politics of Hope and Change? Not exactly. It’s the same old politics of distortion and dishonesty, and it comes from the candidate who can least afford to be defined in those terms- Barrak Hussein Obama. "

" I finally looked up Ed Morrisey as I've never heard of him before. Quoting this man is about the same as quoting Limbaugh or O'Reilly. It holds about the same water. Oh, and thanks neo, I didn't even realize that all of that was in there. I will be more careful in the future. "

" Say what you will about Morrissey- Becky-

The video doesn't lie. "

" Feingold told Petraeus and Crocker: I hope you won't take it personally when I say that I wish we were also hearing today from those who could help us look at Iraq from a broader perspective. The participation at this hearing of those charged with regional and global responsibilities would have given us the chance to discuss how the war in Iraq is undermining our national security. It might have helped us answer the most important question we face – not "are we winning or losing in Iraq?" but "are we winning or losing in the global fight against al Qaeda?"

Like many Americans, I am gravely concerned by how bogged down we are in Iraq. Our huge, open-ended military presence there is not only undermining our ability to respond to the global threat posed by al Qaeda, but it is also creating greater regional instability, serving as a disincentive for Iraqis to reach political reconciliation, straining our military, and piling up debt for future generations to repay.

I am pleased that violence in parts of the country has declined, but as the increase in violence in Mosul and recent events in Basra and now Baghdad indicate, long-term prospects for reconciliation appear to be just as shaky as they were before the surge. In fact, the drop in violence could have serious costs, as it is partly attributable to the deals we have struck with local militias, all of which could make national reconciliation that much more difficult.

We need to redeploy our troops from Iraq and I am disappointed that you are calling for a halt in troop reductions, General Petraeus, because the presence of about 140,000 troops in Iraq will exacerbate the conflict, not stabilize it, and it will certainly not contribute to our overall national security. Some have suggested that we should stay in Iraq until reconciliation occurs. They have it backwards -- our departure is likely to force factions to the negotiating table in an attempt to finally create a viable power-sharing agreement.

If we redeploy, Iraq will no longer be the "‘cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world," as the Intelligence Community so clearly stated. Iran, as well as Turkey, Syria, and other regional actors, will have to decide if Iraqi instability is really in their interests once we are no longer on the hook. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, we will be able to adequately address what must be our top priority – the threat posed by al Qaeda around the globe, and particularly its safe haven in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. Nothing could be clearer than the need to refocus all our instruments of national power to combat this threat.

Redeployment does not mean abandoning Iraq. We must work for a peaceful outcome in that country. But if we continue to leave our military caught up in the sectarian divisions that consume Iraq, we will be doing so at grave risk to Iraq's progress, the region's stability, and our own national security.
"

" Republican Iraq Vets
Seek 17 House Seats

TheWallStreetJournal- Seventeen Iraq combat veterans are running for House seats as Republicans, pledging to continue the war once in Congress and linking themselves to Sen. John McCain's candidacy for president.

As Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, prepares to go to Capitol Hill Tuesday to discuss his record there, some of the vets also came to Washington to link themselves to the general whose 2007 troop surge they believe has improved America's prospects for victory.

In 2006, the Democrats had some success with a slate of veterans who used their military credentials to argue against the war. The Republican veterans argue that such antiwar vets are the exception and, even though the public is still against the war, they will be able to make the case that the country is succeeding and should commit the resources to achieve victory. "

" The Republican veterans argue that such antiwar vets are the exception and, even though the public is still against the war"""

of course....they're neocon fascists-republicans. "

" Under this new security boost, says a U.S. Embassy official who asked not to be identified, embassy personnel have been told to remain under "hardened cover." Instructed to avoid their trailers, some embassy staffers are now sleeping in reinforced buildings within the Green Zone, according to a source who has spoken with embassy officials in Baghdad. Embassy personnel have also been cautioned to limit their trips outdoors and, when they must leave the protection of reinforced structures, to wear flak jackets, protective eyewear, and helmets.

"This is the security posture as of right now," the official says. "Due to the situation they've advised us to stay inside. At this time, the U.S. Embassy is taking precautions and taking hard cover."

This is the second time in less than two weeks that insurgent rocket and mortar attacks on the Green Zone have forced the State Department to instruct its Baghdad personnel to adopt these measures. "

" For an advocate of straight talk and government transparency, John McCain has been less than clear with a voter-education nonprofit, on whose board he serves, about why he hasn't responded to its survey of issue positions. Now, after nine months, 17 phone calls, and 8 emails asking McCain to state exactly where he stands on key issues, Montana-based Project Vote Smart is poised to kick McCain off its board later this week.

The Political Courage Test asks candidates which items they will support if elected. It does not ask them to indicate which items they will oppose. Through extensive research of public polling data, we discovered that voters are more concerned with what candidates would support when elected to office, not what they oppose.

POSTED on the Vote Smart website:

Senator John Sidney McCain III repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues through the 2008 Political Courage Test when asked to do so by national leaders of the political parties, prominent members of the media, Project Vote Smart President Richard Kimball, and Project Vote Smart staff.
"

" OBAMA PREPARES ARGUMENT TO DISCARD PUBLIC-FINANCING PRINCIPLE

ABCNEWS April 08, 2008 11:13 PM

Despite his previous pledge to enter into the public financing system should he be the Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has recently been reluctant to re-commit to entering the system.

This reluctance has coincided with his primary, caucus, and fundraising successes. For that reluctance, Obama has been hammered as hypocritical by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., not to mention impartial observers.

Tonight at a fundraiser in Washington, D.C., at the National Museum of Women in the Arts -- at a $2,300-per-person event for 200 people held before a $1,000-per-person reception for 350 people -- Obama previewed his argument to justify this possible future discarding of a principle.

"We have created a parallel public financing system where the American people decide if they want to support a campaign they can get on the Internet and finance it, and they will have as much access and influence over the course and direction of our campaign that has traditionally been reserved for the wealthy and the powerful," Obama said.

Do you buy it? "

" OBAMA VISITS BILLIONAIRES ROW

San Francisco, April 6, 2008

On April 6, 2008, Barack Obama visited the San Francisco region, zipping from event to event all day long, from one end of the Bay Area to the other.

What? you might ask. How did I miss that? If only I had known, I would have gone to see him.

Well, there's a reason you didn't know about it. Obama didn't want you to know about it. Because the events he was attending weren't for people like you.

They were for people with lots and lots of money, who use that money to gain access and influence with politicians -- especially politicians who might become president.

So although the San Francisco Bay Area is probably the most pro-Obama section of the entire country, with Obama signs and stickers visible everywhere you turn, when Obama himself actually visited his electoral home base, he ignored the hoi polloi -- all the little people who swoon over him -- and instead, he spent the entire day with the rich. - zombietime.com "

" OBAMA SUPPORTER OPRAH TAKES A BIG DIVE

POLITICO April 8, 2008 01:28 PM EST

Much hay was made nearly a year ago when Oprah Winfrey announced that she would support — and campaign for — Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama. Her effect in boosting support for Obama in early primary and caucus states like Iowa (which he won), New Hampshire (which he lost) and even South Carolina (which he won) is debatable.

Oprah’s favorability ratings also remained consistently — and unusually — high. In November 2003, Gallup found that 73 percent of Americans held favorable views about Oprah. Seventy-four percent of Americans reported favorable impressions of Oprah in a January 2007 Gallup/USA Today poll.

And then, seemingly out of nowhere, Oprah announced on CNN’s “Larry King Live” on May 1, 2007, that she would officially endorse her longtime friend Barack Obama for the presidency — the first time she had ever thrown her support behind a political candidate. “I think that my value to him, my support of him, is probably worth more than any check,” Oprah told Larry King. At the time, Oprah did not indicate whether she would campaign for Obama.

Almost instantly, Oprah’s popularity in America plummeted. An August 2007 CBS News poll showed only 61 percent of Americans were favorably disposed to her — a considerable drop of 13 percentage points from a similar survey conducted just seven months prior. An October 2007 Gallup/USA Today poll that showed Oprah with a slightly higher 66 percent favorability still reflected a drop.

But by the time Fox News/Opinion Dynamics asked Americans about their attitudes toward Oprah in a survey conducted about 10 days later, Dec. 18-19, Oprah’s favorability ratings had dropped even further — to 55 percent — the lowest level of favorability ever registered for Oprah in opinion surveys. Oprah’s negatives also spiked, with one in three respondents (33 percent) reporting unfavorable impressions of her. "

" fatherbob said: "of course....they're neocon fascists-republicans." /////////

Spoken like a true Democrat Left-wing treasonous Al Qaeda lover. "

" Steve Ditko wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:59 AM:
" fatherbob said: "of course....they're neocon fascists-republicans." /////////

Spoken like a true Democrat Left-wing treasonous Al Qaeda lover. "

LOL!!....we'll see who's treasonous when the indictments start coming down. "

" "LOL!!....we'll see who's treasonous when the indictments start coming down."

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mmmmm hmmmmm- bob.

And just when will that be?

Will this be like last November when that little Democrap- Kucinich tried to make a move on pre-war Intel hearings-

only to have his fellow Democraps vote the resolution DOWN-

in a fit of blind panic?

Is that what we can expect fat-headbob? "

" Obama's mouth is going to sink him.

April 11, 2008
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." "

" Harry P. why r u so negitive all the time i mean really "

" Everything Obama said is true, as we all know, Spider-Doh. "

" Yes, and Bill is going to sink his own wife. Saw this on MSNBC, BC was quoted, "Hillary, one time late at night when she was exhausted, misstated and immediately apologized for it, what happened to her in Bosnia in 1995. Did y'all see all that? Oh, they blew it up," the former president said at a campaign event.

"You would have thought, you know, that she'd robbed a bank the way they carried on about this," he added. "And some of them, when they're 60, they'll forget something when they're tired at 11 at night, too."

Late at night? They proceeded to show TWO separate clips of her talking about the sniper incident. One in the morning and the other in the early afternoon. Wasn't she the one talking about being the best choice to "answer the White House phone" at 3am? In her defense, she did tell her husband thanks for sticking up for her , but shut up.
"

" Glad to see you're enjoying my posts, AJ13721. It's always good to have more new fans. Perhaps you appreciate the name calling style of Bryant's messages, and find them more to your liking. I suspect it's the content of my posts that upsets you, more than my negativity. Here's a thought, if you are so offended by my negativity, then why in the heck are you reading my messages? If you see my name, just ignore what I post and your problem is taken care of. See how easy that was? "

" McCain camp response to Obama's idiotic remarks:

Asked to respond, McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called it a “remarkable statement and extremely revealing.”
“It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking,” Schmidt said. “It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans.” "

" Democrat spokesperson Kirstin Powers on Obama's remarks:

“It comes off very badly,” Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers said of the small-town America remarks. “They are things that I THINK IN A LIBERAL WORLD SOUND TOTALLY NORMAL, and outside of that world I don’t know that he appreciates how it sounds. And it just sounds very elitist, and it sounds like he’s looking down on people.” "

" "Obama's mouth is going to sink him."

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Okay- let's take bets-

how long will it be before Barry Hussein makes another-

"HISTORIC" SPEECH-

and tells us how we need to blame ourselves for his Liberal world views.

LOL! "

" Obama tells the truth about rural American towns, and naturally no one can handle it. Manufacturing jobs DID vanish 20 years ago. People ARE bitter about it, and they DO cling to their guns, God and xenophobia in compensation. Just look at how sickeningly desperate Mattoon was to land Bush's scam project FutureGen.
"Elitist?" Well, we've already tried having a stupid man as president to make everyone everyone feel good about their hatred of education and their love of cheap beer. That didn't work so well. "

" "I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were--'concerned' is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like 'Why do I have to punch 1 for English?' 'Why can't they speak English?'."
So said John McCain, in his 'liberal elitist" mode. "

" All candidates will error in their choice of words or phrases on occasion. It's just that you only wish to discuss those of Obama. You seem to want to ignore any errors made by McCain, such as the confused statements he made while on a recent trip to Iraq. Personally I think he is being effected by dementia, so perhaps he should get a break. I also find it ironic that someone such as yourself self would be so obsessed with what a candidate would say, would totally ignore what Bush says. No one is the history of the presidency has mangled up the English language like that guy. Obama's mouth will do him in? Is that your new mantra? No, this is just another attempt by the right wing to "sink" him. As I predicted, the preacher comments are fading, and so will this comment. Next week it will be something else, for your side to start ranting about. This will go right up until election day. One of the things the Republicans did when they put forth the mediocre Bush for office, was to totally focus on how bad the opposition was instead of how good Bush was, and I guess that's your technique too. That pattern has emerged in your blathering posts too, that is that I don't hear much about why McCain should be president, but an awful lot of reasons that Obama should not. It would seem to me that if McCain is so great you would be telling us why. Kind of hard to promote such a flawed person like McCain, isn't it. That must be the reason. I look forward to the day when we have an articulate person in the White house again, but it's going to be difficult for some of you to get used to saying president Obama, especially race baiting types like yourself, Doh, Doughball, Bryant, Steve or or whatever other name you're going by today. "

" "People ARE bitter about it, and they DO cling to their guns, God and xenophobia in compensation."

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Oh- I think you should repeat that as often as possible- QuestionBob

And make sure you attribute that like-mindset- directly to Barry Hussein Obama.

Hey- Doesn't ole Barry Hussein "cling" to Christianity- Professor QuestionBob? "

" "All candidates will error in their choice of words or phrases on occasion."

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Yeah Early T*rd-

Especially Barry Hussein Obama-

when he strays from the teleprompter.

I thought he was supposed to be the most gifted speaker since- Lincoln?

So what happened- ET? "

" "As I predicted, the preacher comments are fading, and so will this comment. Next week it will be something else, for your side to start ranting about."

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The Rev Wright's racist comments are only fading with Democrats in the Primary- ET.

And with each additional B.Hussein Obama- "misunderstanding"

there will develop a cumulative effect.

And THAT will make for some interesting GOP ads in the General Election.

Oh- and- there are Left-wingers who are worried and ranting about this too- ET. "

" "I look forward to the day when we have an articulate person in the White house again,"

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Yeah- that worked out real well last time didn't it ET.

Ole Smooth-talkin Billy C- Rhodes Scholar!

Let's see-

"I did NOT have sex with that woman"

"Er....a.....now that depends on what the meaning of "is" is."

the great stock market "correction" at the end of his term-

his reluctance to do anything about the rise of Al Qaeda-

his refusal to capture Bin Laden

his refusal to stop Bin Ladens escape to Afghanistan.

But hey- he sure sounded purty!

I feel yer pain ET............ "

" Hey, Bryant, I wonder what ever happened to old beenthere? Got any ideas? "

" As a friend of mine said, Obama speaks the truth. America has lots of problems. Unfortunately for him the masses of true believers and self-proclaimed patriots do not like the truth. They like to believe that everything is just rosy - that Bush is a great president, that we are winning the war, that our economy is doing great, that our infrastructure is not failing, that our military is not overtaxed. All these things make them feel comfortable and allow them to watch "American Idol" attentively. These people go along with the herd, never looking up until it is too late, and even then without taking any responsibility for the conditions they live under. "

" "masses of true believers and self-proclaimed patriots"

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Hey wait a minute QuestionBob-

isn't Barry Hussein Obama one of the-

"masses of true believers and self-proclaimed patriots"......? "

" “Hey, Bryant, I wonder what ever happened to old beenthere? Got any ideas?”

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Never heard of "beenthere"- Harry P

Maybe you should ask ole Dohbaugh if him and "beenthere" are “taking a break” together. LOL! "

" Cindy McCain vented her anger on Fox News (where else?). She was interviewed by the fair and balanced Fox people and she talked about her reactions to the story written by the NY Times, based on interviews with former McCain staff and their concern about McCain carrying on with a much younger women often in his company. Cindy said John would never do that. No Cindy, John would never cheat on his spouse by having an illicit affair with a much younger woman. Don't worry, Cindy, at John's age most of his philandering days are in the past, and the last affair he started (and will most likely end with) was with you. So you see, Doh, infidelity didn't start with Bill Clinton. I believe McCain's infidelity preceded Clinton's. But hey, he's a Republican and it's OK for the boys from the GOP, right? You only like to discuss the opposition, right? A lot of people said Clinton's morals were enough to keep him out of the White house, but are you going to give McCain a pass, over the same issue? Lastly, you must be getting desperate, because you usually do that shrill name calling bit when you're feeling like you're being put in a box. I've noticed that your doing a lot of name calling lately. Perhaps it's time for a reinvention of yourself, under a new name of course. Maybe you can drag beenthere out of the mothballs. "

" I see we now have Bob Barr talking about running. You all remember him? He was the one who spend half his time in court getting sued over failure to pay alimony and child support. He left the Republican party, but I'm sure he kept his Republican values. And Jessie Ventura is talking of getting in too. Maybe the Republicans should hold a wrestling match at their convention with a winner take all prize. I can just see it now. I would like to be the first to suggest the name of "The Republican Rasslin' Rumble". Bryant L could serve as the color commentator, he would be good at that, given his obsession with color. In addition he could use some of his other names for ring announcer, referee etc. With all of his personas, he could cover all the jobs required to pull this off. How about it Doh, are you game? "

" The Question says: "Just look at how sickeningly desperate Mattoon was to land Bush's scam project FutureGen." // I keep trying to tell you, it won't be long before FutureGen is NowGen! LOL Dust off those Welcome FutureGen signs.
"

" Obama Unveils Jobs Plan for Bitter Rural People ****

"The presumptive Democrat presidential front runner, said his plan would employ “these Archie Bunker-type people” in government programs “to register and/or confiscate inappropriate personal firearms, to monitor churches for hate-speech about homosexuality or abortion, and to build tax-funded housing for low income illegal aliens.”

“Twenty-five years is a long time to wallow in bitterness like our friends in Pennsylvania, the Midwest and elsewhere have been doing,” said Sen. Obama, “So, until the steel mills can all be converted to casinos and re-opened, we’ll provide good government jobs at high wages that will soothe the rage, and help to re-educate these small-town folk.”

****** by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace
ROTFLMAO!!!!!! "

" Obama advance: 'Get me more white people' ****
From a recent event in Pittsburgh:
One Obama event coordinator said to another, “Get me more white people, we need more white people.” To an Asian girl sitting in the back row, one coordinator said, “We’re moving you, sorry. It’s going to look so pretty, though.”

“I didn’t know they would say, ‘We need a white person here,’ ” said attendee and senior psychology major Shayna Watson, who sat in the crowd behind Mrs. Obama. “I understood they would want a show of diversity, but to pick up people and to reseat them, I didn’t know it would be so outright."

******* From Ben Smith's Blog @ Politico.com

HAHA! Hey get me more bitter gunslinging bible beating white midwesterners! LMAO! "

" As for Obama being elitist, he'll get a big dose of humility when he's president. All he'll have to do is remember that he holds a position last filled by George W. Bush. "

" "Senator Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch," Clinton said, campaigning about an hour away in Indianapolis. "They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans."
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Says the woman with $100 million in the bank. "

" In February, 2006, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the Bush administration's principal objectives are to stem the tide of terrorism and to help advance freedom and democratic rights.

Sounds pretty good so far, right? But hang on, this gets better.

In April of 20006, Rice met with Equatorial Guinea's president, Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, a man who had made Parade's "Annual List of the World's 10 Worst Dictators" for four years in a row, and called him a good friend. Under Mbasogo's rule, there was no freedom of speech, no book stores or newsstands, and only one radio station that happened to be owned by his son, and torture was the "normal means of investigation."

Sounds like a real friend to me.

Hmmm...maybe that's where the Bush Administration got their ideas about interrogation and investigation. Anyway, back to the story...

Meanwhile, Mbasogo deposited more than 700 million dollars into American banks, and most of this money came from that nations oil rich reserves.

Oh, those oil men. No wonder Bush and Cheney were so enamored with him, sounds like their kind of guy.

All of this while his people lived on the average of less than one dollar a day.

If this is the kind of administration you want, then by all means vote for John McSame.

McSame is on record saying he would follow most of Bush's policies, disastrous as they are.

This Bush Moment in History is dedicated to all of the Bush supporters, apologists, synchophants, lackeys and fans out there, especially the biggest whiner and name caller on this site, the one going by Bryant L, this week.

As of yesterday, only 284 days left! "

" Stay tuned for another exciting Bush moment in History tomorrow. Here's a hint about tomorrow's edition, it will feature comments about the most unpopular and unethical VP in the history of this country. And no, it's not Spiro Agnew, this character is even a bigger scoundrel than Spiro. One more hint, his initials are DC, and his main claim to fame is shooting a friend in the face with a shotgun, while shooting at wing clipped birds being released from a cage on the back of a pickup truck. Also he has had 3 DUI's and got 6 draft deferments to get out of the service during Vietnam, and owns millions in deferred Halliburton stock options, which have grown at a astronomical rate since the beginning of the war that he was one of the main architects of.

Gee, I hope I didn't give it away. "

" OK, so if I understand you, HP, the Republicans could have their Republican Rasslin' Rumble (the RRR) and Byrd and the Democrats could still have their KKK? All right, sounds fair. "

" Just how elitist and out of touch were Obama's remarks towards so called bitter, religious-fanatic, gun-wielding middle-class Midwesterners? Well for starters he made those remarks in front of wealthy elitist Liberals during his visit to San Francisco's Billionaire's Row. Yeah, he's for the average joe, isn't he. "

" Obama: "And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Let’s break this statement into its component insults:

“[T]hey cling to guns…” Cling to guns? Americans have “clung” to guns since the founding of the Republic. It’s such a core value to this nation that its founders placed it second on the Bill of Rights, right after freedom of speech and religion. "

" “or [they cling to] religion …” People don’t become religious because the economy hits a few bumps in the road. Obama may have chosen his religion based on politics, but most people follow a religion out of a deeper sense of spirituality. I can’t think of a more condescending and contemptuous analysis of religious dedication than this statement. "

" “or [they cling to] antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment…” Small-town voters are bigots and xenophobes; there’s no other way to read the first part of this statement. The second part, about them being “anti-immigrant”, is a non-sequitur. They may be anti-illegal immigrant, but that’s a far different issue. Obama offers no proof that small-town voters are xenophobes, but the Frisco audience didn’t demand any, either. It’s part of their own bigotry that makes them see middle America in those terms. "

" “or [they cling to] anti-trade sentiment …” And this is just jaw-droppingly hypocritical. This comes from the same candidate who says he opposes the Colombian free-trade agreement and wants to throw NAFTA out the window. Who’s clinging to anti-trade sentiment? Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Big Labor. "

" I think the professional wrestling outfit, WWE, must be monitoring this site. It seems they have stolen my idea about a wrestling match. It was reported today that they are trying get the Dems to sign a deal for a match to settle their debate. I still like my idea better. Having an decrepit old coot like McCain and two nut cases, like Jessie Ventura and Bob Barr, going at it in a triple match sounds like a lot more fun. I'll bet the folks at Viagra would jump at the chance to sponsor McCain. "

" Our friend Tom Andres seems to think FutureGen is not lost. All I can say is that's akin to running around the Titanic saying "it's just a drill, it's just a drill." LOL Tom, it's like our friend Question says, stick a fork in it, it's done. And those signs are a bit embarrassing, the few that are still around need to be gotten rid of. Face it Tom, the Bush administration stuck it to the nice folks of Mattoon. My favorite part of this whole saga was when you tried to tie the blame to Obama and or Hillary. Now that was some quality spin, my friend. That was right up there with some of the stuff Bryant Liar puts out on this site. That was a compliment, Tom, because we all know ole Bryant Liar can bs and sin with the best. "

" I wonder if any of you condescending elitist small-town Liberals have noticed how undermining and hypocritical your pro-Jihadist anti-military lies are to the troops who are currently serving in the justified war in Iraq and how IGNORING THEIR HARD EARNED PROGRESS DEMEANS THEIR EFFORTS AND EMBOLDENS THEIR ENEMIES, and that Presidential Candidate Senator John McCain, whose son is currently serving with the Marines in Iraq, fully supports this ongoing frontline battle in the global war on terror? And I wonder if you small-town Useful-Idiot-Liberals truly realize how pulling our troops out prematurely will render the deaths of their fallen comrades- as utterly pointless? Or did these small facts escape your twisted anti-American ideology and treasonous political ambitions, hmmmmmm? "

" "because we all know ole Bryant Liar can bs and sin with the best."

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Well then- Early Tvrd-

put your money where your Far-Left mouth is.

Reveal my "bs and sins" to me-

oh, Lazy One Of The Slow Mind. "

" I can't decide which sounds best, Lying Bryant or Bryant Liar? Such a big decision I have to make. I just flipped a coin and Bryant Liar won. So I guess that's it. How's that surge going, Bryant Liar? I'm sure the casualties are down this week, right? How's your spin on that one, Bryant Liar? "

" This Bush Moment in History is dedicated to one of my biggest fans, Bryant Liar.

In April 12, 2006, VP Cheney threw out the first pitch at a Washington Nationals baseball game two months after shooting his friend in the face while hunting. "I have never, ever, heard anyone get booed like that man," said Harry Horton, longtime usher. As Cheney ambled to the mound, boos rained down on him, only to increase after his pitch-thrown from the grass instead of the mound-dive bombed like a wounded quail in the dirt in front of the catcher.

Because Cheney was one of the chief architects of the invasion and occupation of Iraq, I dedicate this post to the war mongering Bush apologist, Bryant Liar.

I'll post for for his pleasure tomorrow. "

" Maybe one of the reasons we're in this unholy foreign policy mess has something to do with the fact that top White House officials don't know one country from another.
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President Bush's National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley appeared on ABC's "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos and repeatedly confused Nepal and Tibet.
Discussing how Bush has "no reason not to go" to this summer's Olympic games in Beijing and how boycotting them would be wrong, Hadley discussed the outcry over Tibet and the US response, only he kept saying Nepal.
"If countries are really concerned about Nepal, we shouldn't have this sort of non-issue of opening ceremonies or not. They should do the hard work of quiet diplomacy to urge the Chinese government -- in their interest -- to take advantage of this opportunity to do something," Hadley said.
"

" "Maybe one of the reasons we're in this unholy foreign policy mess has something to do with the fact that top White House officials don't know one country from another" ///////////

No, we're in this war because Congress (including 29 Democrat Senators) cited 23 valide reasons why Saddam Hussein could no longer be tolerated in a post 9/11 world. "

" OBAMA EARMARKS FOR WIFE'S EMPLOYER, BIG DONOR

Fri, 03/14/2008 — Judicial Watch Blog-
Barack Obama touts himself as the only presidential candidate not corrupted by Washington politics but his earmark record contradicts that because he tried steering millions of federal dollars to his wife’s employer and the company of a top campaign donor.

Recently released earmarks reveal that the Democratic presidential candidate requested $1 million for the hospital that employs his wife Michelle and $8 million for a military contractor with a board member who has given hefty sums to his campaign.

The $1 million was requested in 2006 to build a new pavilion at the University of Chicago Hospitals, where Michelle Obama was vice president of community affairs. Michelle had already benefited from her husband’s flourishing political career with a huge salary increase that went from $121,910 in 2004 before he was elected to the Senate to $316,962 in 2005 just after he took office.

Obama requested the $8 million for weapons technology manufactured by a big defense contractor (General Dynamics) with very close ties to a major fundraiser named James Crown, a billionaire who also serves on the company’s board. Crown is also on Obama’s national finance committee.

The good senator also got nearly $1 million federal dollars for the renovation of a space center named after Crown’s grandfather, Henry, at Chicago’s Museum of Science and Industry. A complete list of Obama’s earmark record has been posted on his web site. "

" We shouldn't be surprised, Question. After all Bush has made it a practice of putting unqualified people in key positions. Loyalty to Bush has landed many a political hack an important job in this White House. Case in point, Bremer for Iraq and Heck of a job Brownie at FEMA. "

" "I can't decide which sounds best, Lying Bryant or Bryant Liar?"

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Hmmmmm....I think I prefer Harry Pooper-

What do you think- Harry Pooper?

And how's the Surge going?

Real good for America-

But not so good for you and your boy Mookie al-Sadr-

Iraqi forces are expanding their operations in Basra and they've seized large amounts of weapons, roadside bombs and drugs and they've taken in a bunch of suspects.

So how does it feel to be openly rooting for the surge to fail- Harry Pooper?

I'll bet each and every American casualty makes you positively giddy- doesn't it- Harry.

So- how's that little cocaine/drinking habit of yours mixed with your twisted Liberal view of patriotism coming along? "

" Oh- and Mr. Pooper-

I almost forgot-

the Surge has produced a political surge with the Iraqi people as well-

AP BAGHDAD: The Iraqi Cabinet on Sunday approved for submission to parliament a measure barring political parties with militias from participating in upcoming provincial elections — the latest step in government bid to isolate radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Your turn Harry Pooper-

.......I'll wait fer ya to sober up.... "

" EB, you're right. I think FutureGen is about to become NowGen. Be patient. As for the Bush administration sticking it to us, I seriously doubt you can find one post from me where I've defended or agreed with Bush and/or the DOE for creating this situation. What I HAVE ask many times is "Why haven't we heard Clinton or Obama (both with strong ties to Illinois) on the campaign trail speaking out IN FAVOR OF FUTUREGEN?" Something is amiss here, isn't it? You would think that if Bush and the DOE messed up, that Clinton and Obama would be jumping all over that and proclaiming on a daily basis that they're in favor of FutureGen. // So, you tell me, Early Bird, where's the outcry from your side on this issue? You know what I think? I think the reason you're not hearing either one of your candidates telling us how bad Bush looks on the FutureGen decision is because they know it's already a 'GO'! Like I said, be patient. "

" What I HAVE ask many times is "Why haven't we heard Clinton or Obama (both with strong ties to Illinois) on the campaign trail speaking out IN FAVOR OF FUTUREGEN?"
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Because they know it is DEAD, because Bush and Cheney never intended that it would go to Illinois UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. You continue to be the only one who doesn't know that, Tommy. FutureGen was just a scam to rake off a few more billion for some GOP Texas crooks and/or take the heat off the Bush administration for doing less than nothing to head off America's energy crisis. "

" Well let me tell you, Bryant Liar, this week has really been great, death wise, right? Now about that 20 year old scotch you were bragging about a while back, sounds like you've been at it again. Or did you drink it up the night you went on your racist rant over on Coonsey's site. Now tell me how you have no idea of what I'm talking about, and be sure to deny that you know any thing about that site too. LOL... And of course we all know that you would never tell a lie. wink wink "

" "Well let me tell you, Bryant Liar, this week has really been great, death wise, right?"

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There you go again- Harry Pooper-
gleefully counting deaths- in hopes of a political "gotcha".

What should we call such a person who cheers for the deaths of U.S. and coalition troops in the hopes of an American failure............a traitor?.......Or how about.....a typical Liberal.

Yeah Mr. Pooper- you're a typical Liberal. "

" "Now about that 20 year old scotch you were bragging about a while back, sounds like you've been at it again. Or did you drink it up the night you went on your racist rant over on Coonsey's site. Now tell me how you have no idea of what I'm talking about, and be sure to deny that you know any thing about that site too."

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Okay....I have no idea of what you're talking about- Harry Pooper.

And boy- you sure do love the alcohol-talk don'tcha?

Sober-up Mr.Pooper.

And stop winky-wink'n at me fella. "

" From ABCNews-
As Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and his allies have locked into damage control mode and attempted to explain his controversial remarks about small-town Pennsylvanians, they’ve attempted to focus their pushback away from the most controversial part of his remarks to an elite crowd at a San Francisco fundraiser. …

While the description of small town Pennsylvanians as “bitter” is certainly impolitic, many political analysts say it’s what follows that adjective that is potentially so alienating — the notion that small town folks “get bitter” after which “they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

But Obama allies are trying to focus on the “bitter” part alone. "

" Obama just keeps stepping in it and then spinning his way back out of it. Now we'll get to hear another one of his long winded sermons so he can set all of us bitter NRA religous fanatic yokels straight. And of course, his stupid choice of words will somehow be OUR fault, just like Rev Wrights racist comments were somehow our fault also. Obama is such a doublespeak slimeball politician it's just sickening. "

" TQ, LOL, don't you get it? If Clinton and Obama 'knew it was dead', that is precisely why they would have gone on the attack. The reason they haven't attacked on the FutureGen decision is because they know it's NOT dead. I just hope the announcement comes before all the band and JROTC uniforms are at the dry cleaners. // Be patient, Question. Give the politicians a little more time to straighten out this mess so us bitter small-townies don't start using our guns and religion and our antipathy-to-people-who-aren’t-like-us-anti-immigrant-anti-trade-sentiment in the voting booth. // Dust off those NowGen signs. "

" Why should the Dem's candidates push for FutureGen? The vastly more populated Chicago area will vote Democrat anyway and they could care less about anywhere south of I80. Our votes don't count thanks to electoral college. That's why we are clinging to our guns and religion. "

" FYI, at the Alliance For American Manufacturing forum, Obama was cheered when he brought up the "bitter" remarks, and Clinton was shouted down when she tried to use them against him. Despite the corporate news media's continuing attempts to demonize Obama, many Americans know he was telling the truth, and describing the reality of their lives in the Republican trickle-down, trickle-on world. "

" "FYI, at the Alliance For American Manufacturing forum, Obama was cheered when he brought up the "bitter" remarks"

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Wow QuestionBob! Really!!?

You mean- Barry Hussein was actually cheered on at a staged political rally held by DNC payed-for Unions?

No kidding?

And they booed Hillary?

WOW!

I'll bet that makes all those "bitter" religious gun-nut hicks feel loads better all through-out those fly-over States!

YeeHaw! and GodBless! "

" By the way- QuestionBob-

Will you be voting for Barry Hussein Obama-

even though he believes in that fairytale drivel know as-

Jesus Christ?

You know- the same Jesus Christ that all those inbred gun-loving hicks "cling to"? "

" Monday April 14 2008 - "Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters nationwide disagree with Barack Obama’s statement that people in small towns “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 25% agree with the Democratic frontrunner while 19% are not sure."

Yeah- you're right QuestionBob-

many Americans DO KNOW Obama was telling the truth. "

" WASHINGTON — Public approval of President Bush has dipped to a new low in the Associated Press-Ipsos poll, driven by dissatisfaction with his handling of the economy.

A survey released Thursday showed 28 percent approve of the overall job Bush is doing. That was statistically tied with his previous low in the poll of 30 percent last month and in February.

Only 27 percent are happy with his job on the economy, which threatens to enter a recession and which many national surveys show is voters' top worry. That was worse than his previous low of 29 percent approval for handling the economy set in February, and down 4 percentage points from last month. "

" Another racist Republican shows his true "colors."
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U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis, a Kentucky Republican, compared Obama and his message for change similar to a "snake oil salesman" [at a Northern Kentucky Lincoln Day dinner].
"I'm going to tell you something: That boy's finger does not need to be on the button," Davis said.
"

" What conservative Republicans have said about McCain.
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Neil Cavuto of Fox News: "I'm also hearing a lot of people are waiting for Senator McCain to snap; for him to do something crazy and that just as he's on the verge of winning this, he's gonna go, you know, kinda like a Norman Bates deal."
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Michael Reagan talked about the "huge gap that separates McCain -- whose contempt for his fellow humans is patently obvious -- and my dad, Ronald Reagan."
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Rush Limbaugh said McCain threatens "the American way of life as we've always known it.”
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When told McCain was an independent, Glenn Beck of CNN replied, “Well, so is Dr. Frankenstein."


"

" "What conservative Republicans have said about McCain."

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Yep- I pretty much agree.


"

" "U.S. Rep. Geoff Davis, a Kentucky Republican, compared Obama and his message for change similar to a "snake oil salesman" [at a Northern Kentucky Lincoln Day dinner].
"I'm going to tell you something: That boy's finger does not need to be on the button," Davis said."

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Where's the racism- Dr. QuestionBob? "

" "WASHINGTON — Public approval of President Bush has dipped to a new low"

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Well that settles it - SpeedBumpBob-

I'm definitely NOT voting for Bush this November!

Now take a nap SillyBob-

I'm sure your head hurts after that one....... "

" HILLARY UP 16 IN INDIANA

A Survey USA poll of Indiana taken this weekend reveals Her Majesty up 55-39 — a gain of +7 since the last poll two weeks ago. Chaos!

hahahaha!
"

" DEM ELDERS STARTING TO WORRY
CNN April 14 03:30 PM ET

A lot of Democrats are increasingly worried about the tough back-and-forth that is now part of the tense Hillary Clinton-Barack Obama race for the party’s presidential nomination.

There are some very passionate Clinton supporters who clearly don’t like Obama. And there are some very passionate Obama supporters who clearly don’t like Clinton. That is very evident. Just talk to both sides.

In fact, a poll in the current issue of Time magazine has alarmed many Democrats. The poll asked Obama voters if the presidential election were between Clinton and John McCain, whom would they vote for. In the poll, 16 percent said McCain and 16 percent said they don’t know. That’s 32 percent who refused to say flatly they would support Clinton – the other Democrat.

When Clinton supporters were asked whom they would support if the presidential race were between Obama and McCain, 26 percent said McCain and 18 percent said they don’t know. That’s 44 percent who refused to say flatly they would vote for Obama.


Thus, Clinton voters were more likely than Obama voters – at least in this poll – to actually pick McCain if their respective Democratic candidate lost the nomination.

Those of us who cover politics like to caution that all these polls are only snapshots. Once the political dust on the Democratic race settles, and there is an eventual nominee – whether Clinton or Obama – a different snapshot might emerge. Democrats, in the end, might still come together against the Republican candidate.

But right now, I can assure you, a lot of party elders are deeply worried that all this nastiness could wind up helping McCain.

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CHAOS!!!! "

" BAD NEWS FOR BARRACK: MEDIA MOVING BEYOND “BITTER” - by Ed Morrissey

Maybe a few years ago, had Barack Obama said something as stupid as he did in San Francisco last week, his defense focusing on the least objectionable part of his remarks may have fooled the media into following suit. So far, though, Obama has had no such luck. Mainstream journalists have focused on the entire statement, and like John Dickerson at Slate, can’t see any way to spin his comments — and Dickerson gives it his best shot. "

" John Dickerson at Slate.com-

Obama has not helped himself in his efforts at damage control. First, he said he was just telling the truth, but edited the truth he was telling. People are “bitter” because they’ve been let down by previous administrations, he said; his campaign seeks to take up their cause. This ignored the incendiary religion, guns, and xenophobia portions of his remarks.

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CHAOS!!!!!! "

" No matter how Obama tries to spin it, his statement assumes Midwestern voters are idiots. That’s also the Thomas Frank attitude as well in — 'Why won’t Kansas voters support Democrats trying to buy them off?' — which answers itself. And note that in Obama’s original remarks, the audience laughed at his assertions in their condescension, and recognition of his. - Ed Morrissey "

" Apparently Obama really scares the GOP fascists, given their constant attacks on him. Good to know. "

" Excellent point, Question. They see the crowds he is drawing and the amount of money pouring in. I don't know about you but I am rather enjoying watching them try to decide which candidate to attack. It's obvious that the radio nut cases think Hillary is the easier one to beat, and they are scared to death of Obama. If the Democratic candidate is Obama, the debates should be a lot of fun to watch, sort of like watching JFK debate some old grandpa out on pass from the nursing home. "

" I agree, Harry. On the flip side, I wonder how much of McCain's warmongering is psychologically linked to the fact that he is physically helpless, thanks to the horrible experience of being tortured? When you can't lift your arms, maybe bombing cities gives you a compensatory sense of power. "

" "Apparently Obama really scares the GOP fascists, given their constant attacks on him. Good to know."

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Actually QuestionBob-

he's beginning to scare a lot of DNC fascists.

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And tell me Harry Pooper-

how is Barry Hussein's money going to negate the stupidity that he keeps spewing?

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"I wonder how much of McCain's warmongering is psychologically linked to the fact that he is physically helpless"

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Probably about as much as Barry Hussein Obama's name is psychologically linked to the fact that he wants to play nice with radical Islam- eh QuestionBob. "

" Oops. You frightened right wingers had better find yourselves another stick to beat big, scary Barack with.
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Barack Obama’s “bitter” comment may have had little immediate impact in the Democratic primary race in Pennsylvania, according to a poll out this morning.
The Quinnipiac University poll found that Hillary Clinton leads Obama 50 to 44 percent, a margin unchanged since the organization's last statewide poll at the beginning of the month. "

" Those small town people are so angry with Obama they're giving him lots of money.
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Sen. Barack Obama's political opponents charge that his recent remarks on the economic woes and bitterness of low-income voters put him gravely out of touch with small town Pennsylvanians.
But a review of campaign finance records -- conducted for The Huffington Post by the Spotfire Division of software firm TIBCO -- reveals that it is Obama, not Clinton, who has received the majority of donations from these very same Keystone State communities. "

" The Question wrote on Apr 15, 2008 10:04 AM:
" I agree, Harry. On the flip side, I wonder how much of McCain's warmongering is psychologically linked to the fact that he is physically helpless, thanks to the horrible experience of being tortured? When you can't lift your arms, maybe bombing cities gives you a compensatory sense of power. "

i agree Q, and you really don't hear alot about him just being a lousy pilot in the first place, or the fact that he got special treatment after they found out he was an admiral's son. the guy seems to forget that if it weren't for his father, he'd just be another MIA that was never found......but daddy's bailing out their kids is a GOP thing i guess. "

" "Barack Obama’s “bitter” comment may have had little immediate impact in the Democratic primary race in Pennsylvania,"

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Who cares about the primary race-

Barry Hussein's diarrhea-mouth is laying the foundation for a tough general election for him.

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"Those small town people are so angry with Obama they're giving him lots of money."

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Again- who cares about the primary

besides these are all ObamaZombies who will follow this guy blindly-

no matter what he says or does.

But of course-

I don't need to tell YOU that- do I

ObamaZombie- QuestionBob. LOL!! "

" Code Pink 'Bundles' for Barack
Posted: 04/14/2008 by Catherine Moy

The co-founder of the radical anti-war group Code Pink has “bundled” more than $50,000 for Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, and pro-troops groups are demanding that he return the money.

Jodie Evans, a Code Pink leader, gathered at least $50,000 from friends and associates and donated it to Obama’s presidential campaign, according to information compiled by the nonpartisan watchdog group, Public Citizen.

Evans and her son, a student who lives at her Southern California address, each also gave the maximum individual allowable donation of $2,300 to Obama’s campaign.

The donations have raised questions about Obama’s association with the more radical elements of his base. Code Pink has harassed, vandalized and impeded military recruiters across the United States in a campaign it calls “counter-recruitment.” The group also gave $600,000 to the families of Iraqi terrorists in Fallujah, whom it called “insurgents” fighting for their homes. "

"
pj61938 wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:12 PM:
" Code Pink 'Bundles' for Barack
Posted: 04/14/2008 by Catherine Moy

The co-founder of the radical anti-war group Code Pink has “bundled” more than $50,000 for Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, and pro-troops groups are demanding that he return the money.

good for them....true patriots. "

" The group also gave $600,000 to the families of Iraqi terrorists in Fallujah, whom it called “insurgents” fighting for their homes. **********
So that's your idea of true patriots, huh fatherbob? "

" It's always great to start your day off with a good laugh. Thank you, Bryan L for the following:

...besides these are all the ObamaZombies who will follow this guy blindly- no matter what he says or does.

This coming from the biggest Bush boot licker and apologists on this site.

Now you have to admit that was pretty funny, huh fb?

And for those keeping up with such things, Obama has widened his lead over Hillary, and the polls seems to indicate that either one would beat McCain.

Looks like the McCain backers have given up on the preacher comments and are focusing on the angry comments. Wonder what it will be next week when that one dies down.

Perhaps they will focus on some of Mccain's many mispeaks, LOL... "

" Remember, Bush is the Republicans' ideal president, a man chosen out of all 301 million people in this country for that office. Tell us again, GOP trolls, about his wonderful qualities. Tell what a great business success he was, every time daddykins billionaire Saudi pals had to bail out his latest failure. Tell how he's smarter than all the intelligent people, and how invading and occupying Iraq was such a brilliant, successful move. Tell us clever he was to get dressed up in his GI Joe flyboy playsuit and go prancing around on the deck of an aircraft carrier in front of a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner. Tell us how Bush "says what he means and means what he says," especially when he's lying about WMD or telling us he is concerned — and is NOT concerned — about Osama bin Laden. Tell us what a brave leader Bush is, especially as he sits paralyzed reading a children's story while the U.S. is attacked, and as he spends the rest of that day flying around the country in secret like a panicked coward. Tell us again, pretty please. I just love a good fairy tale. "

" http://tinyurl.com/3ggh66 "

" WASHINGTON (AP) — Revising his stance on global warming, President Bush on Wednesday proposed a new target for stopping the growth of the nation's greenhouse gas emissions by 2025.

The president also called for putting the brakes on greenhouse gas emissions from electric power plants within 10 to 15 years.

"To reach our 2025 goal, we will need to more rapidly slow the growth of power sector greenhouse gas emissions so that they peak within 10 to 15 years, and decline thereafter," Bush said in excerpts of the speech released early by the White House.

"By doing so, we will reduce emission levels in the power sector well below where they were projected to be when we first announced our climate strategy in 2002. There are a number of ways to achieve these reductions, but all responsible approaches depend on accelerating the development and deployment of new technologies."

Gee.....i wonder where we might be if the MORON had listened to SANE people in 2002.
"

" want to know who's really shaping this election???

http://imvotingfor.org/

young people. "

" Steve Ditko wrote on Apr 14, 2008 8:25 PM:
" No matter how Obama tries to spin it, his statement assumes Midwestern voters are idiots. That’s also the Thomas Frank attitude as well in — 'Why won’t Kansas voters support Democrats trying to buy them off?' — which answers itself. And note that in Obama’s original remarks, the audience laughed at his assertions in their condescension, and recognition of his. - Ed Morrissey "

obviously you and Ed are both to ignorant to listen to what is said....and he's actually gaining ground now because of the way billary and mcbush have tried to twist it.

hope you don't get splattered to badly when that bubble bursts. "

" Oopsy. More problems for Mr. McBush.
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Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who is basing his bid for the White House on his credentials as a decorated veteran and leader on defense policy, has become the target of veterans groups pushing hard for more aid and relief for troops returning from conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
At issue is a growing slate of legislation to boost veterans' education assistance and to rest troops between combat assignments. Two of the bills were written by Sens. James Webb (D-Va.) and Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), both fellow Vietnam veterans, and are expected to see votes in Congress soon. Those bills would substantially boost college assistance for returning war veterans to cover fully tuition at a state university, while mandating that troops spend a month out of the combat zone for every month in it.

A third measure, introduced yesterday by eight Democratic senators and two Republicans, would provide more education aid to National Guard members and reservists, especially those who have served on multiple tours in Iraq.
It is generally agreed that McCain is key to the bills' prospects for passage.
"John McCain's got a lot of things to focus on right now, but this isn't one of them," Webb said. "He needs to get on board."
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" The Chimpanzee is Chief yeeps again.
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President Bush was asked today what he says to critics who see no end in sight in the war in Iraq - is it an open-ended war? And he effectively said it is - at least for the remaining 10 months of his presidency.
"So long as I'm the president, my measure of success is victory - and success,'' the president said in the Rose Garden.
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Very helpful. Somebody give it a banana. "

" Comedy writer Alan Ray: "The pope will visit President Bush in the White House. Talk about different leaders. One speaks almost no English and thinks he's God's emissary. The other is the head of the Catholic Church." "

" "U.S. Begins Erecting Wall in Sadr City"

when you don't know what to do, build a wall.

how about one around the whitehouse??

"

" Dude, it goes like this: We're bringing democracy to the Middle East. Tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy are to stimulate the economy. George Bush is more patriotic than Al Gore. Our government is there to serve the people. America is always a force for good in the world. There is a god, he is a nice fatherly-looking Caucasian fellow with a big snowy beard (if the resemblance to the god of American children - Santa Claus - doesn't by itself tell you everything you need to know about religion, you're still not paying attention!). And he's quite angry at Muslims and other people who didn't get the memo on who to worship.
You have to say these things - and a whole lot more sheer nonsense - in American politics if you want to have any hope of winning. When a Milquetoast punk like John Kerry defines the port-side limit to what American voters are willing to hear, while any lunatic freak gone way to starboard - like Coulter or Falwell - can blurt out the most outrageous defamations, and any two-bit thief named Bush can actually be handed the nuclear trigger, you know how ridiculously deluded we are.
— David Michael Green. "

" This is an election year. Aren't we supposed to be evaluating the legacy of the previous administration?
In this case, we have a man whose approval ratings are subterranean. Who's sunk us into an endless war based on impeachable lies. Who's dragged our national honor into the toxic mud. Who's brought us to the brink of depression. Who's dropped the dollar into the toilet. Who wants more subsidies for terror-target nuke reactors and more tax breaks for CO2-spewing oil barons.
Who screams "Terror! Terror! Terror!" at every possible moment, but lets Osama bin Laden run free.
What would Limbaugh, O'Reilly and the rest of the corporate bloviators be screaming today if a Democrat had hosted the 9/11 attacks and then let their perpetrator roam the world without capture for more than six years?
— Harvey Wasserman. "

" Nice quote TQ. I highly value the political opinion of people who begin a sentence with the word, "dude". What's the matter? Couldn't you find any quotes from Snoop Dogg? I'm sure he hates Bush too. "

" Wonder what happened to Bryant Lamphier? Let's see if he follows his usual habit of staying away for a while and coming back with a new name. hee hee "

" This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating.

said George Bush on April 23, 2002.

Well no kidding, George, when you alienate most of the world with your my way or the highway policies, what did you expect?

272 days left.... "

" Harry Potter wrote on Apr 22, 2008 7:39 PM:
" Wonder what happened to Bryant Lamphier? Let's see if he follows his usual habit of staying away for a while and coming back with a new name. hee hee "

don't worry, he's scouring through documents from 2003 looking for more yellowcake and WMD "proof". "

" Hey, fb, I'll bet he is more concerned about his boy about to be swiftboated. Remember that bunch? They told only the truth, right? Oh boy, this is going to be fun. Watch the swift boaters get turned on from the good old boys in the Republican party, after the go after McCain. "

" "don't worry, he's scouring through documents from 2003 looking for more yellowcake and WMD "proof".

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I suppose I could just resort to your brand of delirium fat-headBob-

and cite the "fake-but-accurate" Downsyndrom Memo as the epitome of "proof".

Go back to sleep SpeedBump. "

" " Hey, fb, I'll bet he is more concerned about his boy about to be swiftboated."

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I don't have a "boy"- Harry Pooper.

And if anything-

you should be more concerned about your "boy" getting pummeled like a little schoolgirl by the Hilldabeast. "

" good to see you've snapped out of your coma DSB.....too bad about the loss of brain cells. "

" And speaking of boys, I think Bryant Liars other hero, Rush Limpwrist, might be painting himself into a corner with his "Operation Chaos." He seems to be betting the bank that old Hill will beat Obama and he will be waiting in the wings to take the credit. What happens if Obama does get the nomination, will he take the blame? We all know the answer to that one. He was right there at the front screaming about how brilliant he was when the Pubs took over in '94, but was strangely silent when the Dems took back both the House and the Senate. In fact he and the whiney little Sean Hannity were both talking about how the Dems were imploding right up until election day. Never one word about being wrong from old Mount Rushmouth. Ole Rushie, you gotta love the old loudmouth drug addicted fruitcake, don't you? Those radio right wingers are usually wrong, but their lemmings keep buying into their hogwash, and Bryant the Liar and his clone Steve Ditko are among the ever faithful. Wonder how many tee shirts and coffee mugs these two have bought? "

" Anyone who can answer this question deserves a big gold star. Who was Elliot Sanders? No fair using Google. "

" OK, so you cheated. I'll give you another chance. Who was Norm Woodruff? "

" Even though you didn't respond, I know you must know by now that the two mentioned were among the many male lovers of Rush Limbaugh, Bryant. "

" "I know you must know by now that the two mentioned were among the many male lovers of Rush Limbaugh, Bryant."

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What's the matter Harry Pooper-

are you jealous?

Yeah- that's it isn't it Harry P.

That would explain your man-love for Rush now wouldn't it.

LOL!! "