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Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:26 PM CDT
LETTER: Clinton, not Obama, should take VP position



If any presidential candidate should be accepting a VP position, it is Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama is not only leading with states won (30 of 44), he has the popular vote by almost a million voters and he has a lead of 161 elected delegates. Oh, and about Hillary winning Texas; when you combine their primary and caucus delegates, Obama won.

It’s the delegate count that is the deciding factor of any final outcome in the primary. A total of 2025 is needed to win the nomination. There are elected delegates, the ones you and I vote for, and there are, what I call, the rich and famous delegates. These can be your senators, congressmen and well known figures in politics.

Currently, Obama as I said leads in elected delegates. Super delegates are currently almost even, 207 for Barack and 237 for Hillary. A month ago Hillary led in supers by 97. That’s down to 30 now.

Most experts are saying there is no way Hillary can catch up with Obama on elected delegates, even if you include Florida and Michigan. Her only chance is to gain the popular vote, which would require her to convince enough supers to come back over to her side to win. Keep in mind that Barack also needs to keep Supers on his side to officially win.

At one time the idea of a dream team was accepted by voters and they would have accepted either Hillary or Obama as their nominee, just so long as they won in November. After the campaign that Hillary has ran, polls now show this is no longer the case.

Barring any political blunder or legal problem, Barack Obama will be the Democrats nominee.

He gains nothing by having Hillary as his VP. He’s for change in Washington, Hillary represents the past.

If Hillary by some back room deal with supers is able to pull off a win, she would have to ask Obama to be her VP because she's managed to alienate the black voters. He would bring the white men, young voters and the blacks. Obama himself would be better off by trying for Governor of Illinois.

I happen to think that Hillary Clinton has been successful in splitting the Democratic Party and by doing so, she's helped to lose a chunk of its base. She’s also lost any good legacy Bill Clinton ever had left.


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just wondering wrote on Mar 23, 2008 10:32 PM:

" I think it is very interesting the way many in the Democratic party have turned their backs on the Clintons. If Obama hadn't come along the very same people who now say how terrible the Clintons are would be saying she was the only one that could be president. It seems funny that just a few years ago when some other people were saying the very same thing about the Clintons, everyone thought it was a vast right wing conspiracy. Well at least some people are finally learning. "

coonbug wrote on Mar 24, 2008 10:18 AM:

" I said in the very beginning that I would vote for either one in November over John McCain; but that I felt the best one for the job at this time would be Barack Obama.

I voted for Bill twice and until now, would have again.

Hillary and Bill have proven to me that they will do ANYTHING to win, including ruin a good Democrat's reputation in doing so.

Unless they do something pretty darn soon to make up for these personal attacks on Obama -- they will NOT get my vote in Nov.

P.S.
I sent this letter to editor the day Harry wrote his column. Less than an hour after the paper was delivered. Yet we don't see my response till way after the issue stopped being discussed. I sent another one on Friday - asking Harry NOT to print this one because the topic is no longer being discussed and instead print my new one -- guess what he did? Printed the old one. Thanks Harry...for nothing. "

father bob wrote on Mar 24, 2008 4:44 PM:

" The Washington Post reports this morning that New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D), who endorsed Sen. Barack Obama on Friday despite his ties to the Clinton family, yesterday said that "the people around" Sen. Hillary Clinton "practice 'gutter' politics and that they feel entitled to the presidency, a day after an informal adviser to her campaign compared Richardson to Judas for endorsing" Obama. James Carville "told the New York Times that Richardson, who was in Bill Clinton's Cabinet, had committed 'an act of betrayal,' adding that it 'came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out [Jesus] for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic.'" The Politico adds that Richardson's "sharp criticism of the Clintons is especially striking because he often defended Hillary Clinton while he was still in the race -- even in the face of sharp attacks from the other presidential contenders."

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das wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:11 AM:

" The whole Obama/Clinton Clinton/Obama ticket is being brought up by the Clinton campaign to try and make the voters think that if they vote for Clinton then they could possibly get both Clinton and Obama in the office. It's nothing more than just another trick by the Clinton campaign to do anything to get the vote. "

The Question wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:11 AM:

" das has hit the nail on the proverbial head. "

AJ13721 wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:48 PM:

" I agree with Das and I think Das is making a good statement.... I agree... so does anyone else agree? "

lukas wrote on Mar 26, 2008 1:11 AM:

" Sen. Barack Obama is a gifted and eloquent speaker. His Tuesday speech on race relations was a beautiful example of his style. It was not a "speech for the ages." Rather, it was a politically expedient attempt to divert attention from the real issue, which is not race relations at all, but rather Sen. Obama's judgment, or the lack thereof, with respect to the inflammatory and polemical views expressed by his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Sen. Obama has made a touchstone of his campaign for the presidency that it is not so much experience that counts, but rather judgment. While experience is much more important than he would have the electorate believe, he is right to focus on judgment as a critical factor in the determination as to whom should be our next president.

If Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, as he very well may be, then voters in November should ask themselves not how good his speech was, but rather what kind of judgment has he actually exhibited with respect to the deeply divisive views of the Rev. Wright.

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Sylvia wrote on Mar 26, 2008 1:39 AM:

" Good grief!! Hillary for Vice President? Would she want that job?? I hope not. I'd rather see Obama pick Tom Daschle or Bill Richardson and maybe have John Edwards be Attorney General so he could hold corporate American accountable.

As for Obama, would he want to be VP in a Clinton Administration? I hope not.

I hope the DNC isn't going to try to pressure either one of these strong candidates to take the VP post.

But of course, if either of them wants it, then they would need to work that out for themselves.

I see the tenor of the two campaigns as a good predictor of the tenor of the White House and Cabinet to come.

The difference in the two campaigns is so colossal that I really wouldn't want to see an Obama administration dragging around all the baggage that comes with the Clintons.

Both candidates have good jobs to go back to. Better jobs than Vice President. "

jta23 wrote on Mar 26, 2008 9:06 AM:

" "Oh, and about Hillary winning Texas; when you combine their primary and caucus delegates, Obama won."

Reality Check: Hillary won the primary and Obama won the caucus. In the general election in November there are no caucuses. Many of the states Obama has won are caucus states and really do not reflect how the vote will come out when people are behind a curtain voting as in the Texas primary...Hillary won the votes. If Texas primary/caucus had been a general election there would only be voting behind a curtain like the primary and no caucus...therefore Hillary would have won the state and Obama would have lost the state. The same is true with most of the states that Obama won in caucus....When they vote in Nov. Obama will not carry any of the caucus states he won which account for his lead in deligates..

Articles written by Obama supporters are always one sided but the claim that "she's managed to alienate the black voters. " is a lie. Obama has worked very hard at getting the black voters to vote black by falsly claiming that Bill's comment, "Jesse Jackson won SC too" was racist. The statement is a fact and the false charge by Obama is the racist remark. The same is true with Ms. Ferraro's comment that if he were a white man or any color woman he would not be in this position. Of Course that statement is fact. Just look at all the white men that were in this race with much more experience and party loyality than Obama but have dropped out. Why? Because Obama is getting 90% of the black vote based only on skin color despite years of the Clinton's helping and working for all minorities. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

There seems to be much concern about the chance that the black voters will not vote if Hillary is nominated. The 14% regestired black voters failing to vote would be a loss. BUT some people better start thinking about the loss of women voters who will not stay home but will vote for McCain if Obama is the option. The 20 years of listening to Rev. Wright damn America and tell these poor people that America manufactured AIDS to kill blacks shows Obama to be a hoax. He used this church to get votes for the Senate and is now using them again....not for their good but for his. Republicans have always been very good at getting people to vote for them when it was in their own best interest to vote Democrat.....Obama is better at this than Republicans because he has been using the race card since SC primary.

Since neither candidate has or will have the 2025 deligates at the end of the primary we will be voting at the convention and then all deligates will be voting based on who is the most electable candidate. At that point they had best consider the flight of the women voters like myself who will not stay home but instead will come to vote McCain if the option is Obama. No one gets to steal this election by playing the race card as Obama has done at least since South Carolina. "

coonbug wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:56 AM:

" I wasn't meaning to advocate Hillary for VP. I was correcting Harry Reynolds comment that Barack Obama should accept the VP slot from Hillary. Why would the WINNER want 2nd place? "

coonbug wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:56 PM:

" If you think for one minute that because you WIN a State primary, that means you'll win the General -- you don't pay attention to your history.

If anything makes Dems lose in Nov it will be all this hate between supporters of both candidates.

All of us KNOW that if this situation were reversed, Hillary ahead in delegates, popular vote and number of states won -- Obama would have been LONG GONE. It's only out of respect for her Husband being a previous President -- that's she's even being LOOKED at now.

"

coonbug wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Just in case you don't know the RULES: it's the DELEGATES (mostly elected delegates) that get you the nomination (NOT POPULAR VOTE).

Until the DNC changes the RULES --- that's how this election will end. "

Equalizer wrote on Mar 27, 2008 12:21 PM:

" JTA & Coonbug should write books! :) "

61938 wrote on Mar 28, 2008 7:11 AM:

" coonbug, you rambled something in your first post about "ruining a good democrat's reputation". Can you please name a good democrat? I didn't know that even one exist. "

 


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