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Friday, December 28, 2007 11:08 PM CST
COLUMN: We also need new law outlawing passing of gas in fine restaurants



The American Lung Association of Illinois harbors hopes Big Nanny will implement a statewide ban on burning leaves in 2008.

Having pushed through legislation designed to punished smokers for their perceived bad habit, the association needs another dragon to slay. Getting lawmakers to go along with what, admittedly, is an admirable goal will be difficult.

Imposing a statewide ban on leaf burning shouldn’t rank anywhere near the top of the Illinois General Assembly’s must-do list. But, it probably will. From the too-typical lawmaker’s perspective, mundane issues such as the state budget, highways and byways, construction projects, etc., pale in comparison with something like imposing a moment of silence in public schools.

The moment of silence’s unintended consequences are taxpayer funds spent on defending such lunacy from lawsuits; and nice retainers for lawyers.

Since the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruled organized classroom prayer unconstitutional, the religious right has engaged in an illogical — and blatantly misleading — campaign to force the practice.

Being descendants immigrants fleeing religious persecution, the Founding Fathers framed the Constitution in such a manner as to preclude theocracy.

Separation of church and state sounds pretty good when it means keeping government out of churches. Not so good when it comes to keeping churches out of government.

Prayer is a great thing. More people ought to engage in it. But, prayer does not mandate loud and public professions. One can as easily do it in privately.

The argument the Supreme Court ruling prevents the faithful from praying in school is, of course, false. Anyone can pray at anytime. It’s as easy as daydreaming — a matter of silent contemplation.

The moment of silence law has a similar smack to the lung association’s campaign to impose a statewide ban on leaf burning: One vested group trying to impose its will on the recalcitrant.

Just as I oppose any religion’s efforts to use public institutions to force children to recite classroom prayers, so do I oppose the efforts of well-meaning crusaders to use the state as a tool to implement their will.

The lung association will find no disagreement from this corner as to the detrimental effects of burning leaves on the physically afflicted. Further, it will find no counter to the argument for communities to prevent the practice, as it involves many people living in close proximity.

A statewide ban on burning leaves goes far beyond a municipal ban. Not only does it impose a ban where it makes sense; it also imposes a ban where it makes little sense.

What we don’t need is Big Nanny — impelled by mothering crusaders — interfering in the business of local communities. Common sense, exercised at the local level, is the best solution when it comes to an issue like burning leaves.

One can advance no reasoned proposition to the effect burning leaves improves one’s health. But, then, it’s hard to advocate raking the little devils up, placing them on the curb and praying the street department collects them before winter intervenes.

A few years ago, the Mattoon City Council decided to outlaw the burning of leaves. Many of the inhabitants of this fair city were outraged.

The debate continues, bursting from a smoldering pile with the advent of fall. It is an issue provoking more public discourse than erectile disfunction.

Since the lung association deems it reasonable to use the state as a tool to further its goal of fostering good health by edict, I feel compelled — by reason of inclination to tell other people what to do — to advocate new state laws:

-- No Restroom Left Behind With Hands Unwashed. One out of three men, it is estimated, doesn’t wash his hands after going potty. They deposit their germs, etc., on door handles and on the hand of the next person they greet.

-- Legislation banning the passing of gas in public places, particularly fine restaurants. Only livestock would be excluded from this act.

-- No Women Flouncing Their Hair, which would have several salutary effects. One being the reduction of whiplash cases among the female population. The second being the reduction of the chances of a guy being flipped in the face.

-- Must Clean Heating and Cooling Ducts in Public Buildings. Ever imagine what’s in those ducts? Molds, bacteria, mouse droppings and other unpleasant critters reign.

-- Separation of Men and Women into Separate Groups in Bars. Many a nose has been broken, teeth loosened and concussion incurred when two guys with their eye on the same girl go testosterone.

And finally:

-- The Summary Execution of Well-Meaning Crusading Do-Gooders. This act would discourage people trying to tell other people what to do because they think it is good for them. A positive effect of this law would be to give lawmakers little reason avoid attending to the business of the people.

Who knows, we might get a balanced budget, improved roads, repaired and replaced bridges, upgraded transit systems and other issues that, while lacking the sex appeal of a statewide leaf-burning ban and state-imposed moment of silence in public school, are vital.

Harry Reynolds is editorial page editor of the Journal Gazette/Times-Courier. Contact Reynolds at hreynolds@jg-tc.com or 238-6861.


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longtimegone wrote on Dec 29, 2007 5:54 AM:

" All our elected thieves pass is gas. "

gomez wrote on Dec 29, 2007 7:46 AM:

" well stated mr. reynolds, but isnt that what jg-tc did when all the whiners couldnt figure out who to hate when theyre not on here? when you go to an AA meeting you dont have too give your real name, but on this website, for some reason you do. this is only to continue the "GOOD OL' BOY" system that operates this county. if you dont know me, then you cant discriminate against me for my opinions.thanx, THE ONE, THE ONLY,Gomez
"

George Bailey wrote on Dec 29, 2007 12:00 PM:

" Hello again Dohbau.......er...a....I mean gomez. Your English sure has improved a lot in the last eight months hasn't it. Take care Screwy! THE ONE, THE ONLY, George Bailey. "

Julio wrote on Dec 29, 2007 2:27 PM:

" May we extend this proposal to the gym, airplanes, and busses? "

Rotty wrote on Dec 29, 2007 3:56 PM:

" Good article, Harry. Liked this one: "-- The Summary Execution of Well-Meaning Crusading Do-Gooders." ~ Darn do-gooders. Phooey on'em! "

Rotty wrote on Dec 29, 2007 4:50 PM:

" By the way, where's Goldenrod & his take on all this hogwash? And I want to be in the story, darn it! LOL :D "

George Bailey wrote on Dec 30, 2007 10:13 AM:

" I'm with Rotty on this one Harry, good article. I never get tired of listening to common sense. There just seems to be so darn little of it these days. Our society has developed a nanny-state mind set that has gotten so out of hand anymore, that there are idiots walking around who actually think they have a Constitutional right - not to be offended. Frankly, their stupidity offends ME. Good article Harry, and watch out for the many-named Harry-Hater folks. I think we all know who he is, he usually shows up before the crack of dawn like a cranky rooster. He just doesn't seem to like ole Harry for some reason. "

coonbug wrote on Dec 30, 2007 1:05 PM:

" Good article Harry. Makes a good point. When will it end? Who will be the ultimate DECIDER? Hey, maybe Bush can be after he steps down or is impeached from office?
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Coonsey's View: www.freewebs.com/coonsey/ "

gringa wrote on Dec 30, 2007 5:26 PM:

" And of course, coon puts the anti-Bush mark on this one too with "Hey, maybe Bush can be after he steps down or is impeached from office?" Wonder if coon would mind outlining his idea of Bush's impeachable offenses. (By the way, defending our nation against enemy attack doesn't qualify.)
"

coonbug wrote on Dec 30, 2007 8:50 PM:

" There is enough evidense the laws MAY have been broken. If you agreed with the Impeachment of Bill Clinton for his lie about sex to a court of law, even if you were for the investigation of such an impeachment - you should DEFINITELY see no problem with investigating what the Bush admin has been doing over the past 7 years. There are some well known republican lawyers willing to ask for the investigation too. Read the LAWYERS STEPPING UP article on the NATION (republican site): http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid15&pid262693

Coonsey's View www.freewebs.com/coonsey/ "

Interested Observer wrote on Dec 30, 2007 9:40 PM:

" I'd like to see a ban on obnoxious perfumes and colognes, as long as we're in a nanny-state mindset. Too many scent wearers subscribe to the 'if a little is good, a lot is better' theory when spritzing themselves. "

George Bailey wrote on Dec 30, 2007 10:12 PM:

" Don't tell me the Democrats have a little blue dress with Bush's DNA on it Coonbug! Oh no! "

lefty wrote on Dec 31, 2007 2:40 AM:

" GRINGA, comments like "By the way, defending our nation against enemy attack doesn't qualify" are absolutely childish. I sincerely hope you are a 12 yr old, otherwise such comments are not justifiable coming from an adults mouth. "

Early Bird wrote on Dec 31, 2007 6:31 AM:

" Doesn't like Harry? I don't dislike Harry, Do...er uh, I mean George Bailey. I just don't agree with a lot of things he says. There is a big difference between disliking something someone says and the person himself. That's a concept that seems to be lost on you, now isn't it? I mean especially considering how you follow me, and another poster all around on the different threads with your visceral hatred, asinine accusations and wild claims and all. I've noticed the beenthere moniker and all the other stupid names you've come up with lately have disappeared for the time being. Are you going to stick with George Bailey, or go back to Doh? And what happened to the war mongering, oops, messed that one up for you didn't I? You'll have to change names again to go back to that old bit. If you do go back to the war mongering, I have a good name for you, it's one you might like too. In closing let me say, the Democrats don't have a blue dress, that's the Republican standard for impeachment, all the Democrats have is a list of several thousand names of young Americans who have died or be permanently maimed by the lying dynamic duo in the White House. For information on signing an impeachment petition, go to WexlerWantsHearings.com..... "

Dohbaugh wrote on Dec 31, 2007 11:45 AM:

" For those who don't bother with the old opinions, Doh has been outed on one of the threads over there. After taking a beating for months for his support of the immoral war in Iraq, he gave up and started posting under various names all over the place. Here are some of the name he has used: beenthere, Citizen Kane, Dohbaugh is Early Bird, George Bailey, Everybody hates somebody. I suspect after reading this, he will add another new name to the list to post under. I would imagine it would be rather cumbersome for him to keep up with all of this. Honesty is not his forte. "

George Bailey wrote on Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM:

" Well there's the old Cranky Rooster himself. You're starting to slip up Early Baugh, you posted as Dohbaugh at 2:29 in the morning on the Bush Cheney page, and then 10 minutes later on this page as good ole Lefty. Lol! You better get some serious sleep screwy, all your late night analysis is making you nuttier than ever. For some one who's suppossed to be innocent you sure are getting awfully worked up over this. hmmmmmm. Did you people know that I'm really Doh? Just ask Early Baugh. He figures since he posts under lots of names, everyone else does too hehehe. The new Doh, the one the only George Bailey (also know as Jimmy Stewart) "

Dohbaugh wrote on Dec 31, 2007 3:15 PM:

" Looks like Psycho-boy Doh has settled on being George Bailey. That's fine with me, but he will always be Psycho-boy Doh to me, and many others I suspect. That's some real proof there Einstein, two people posting within a few minutes of each other is proof, isn't it? Yep, proof positive, anytime two people post within a half hour of each other, it must prove they are the same person. Surely you can do better than that, moron. You are getting more stupid by the minute Psycho-boy Doh. What about the Fort Bliss and thyroid connection, you know the one you feigned ignorance on a few days ago. Funny how you beat that drum for weeks, and now when I bring it up, you seem to have amnesia about it. Come on now, Psycho-boy, now that you've been outed, you can bring it up again. "

Billie Brant wrote on Dec 31, 2007 3:17 PM:

" Don't think so Dohbaugh. Doh will always post under his own "name". He took a vacation last summer too and came back "rarin to go". I hope he does. He always kept everyone on their toes, like him or not, much like you old friend. No, I don't think you post under multiple names either. Both of you guys with your sometimes acidic wits made reading this stuff interesting to say the least. Sometimes it was downright hilarious! So, come on back Doh. Early Bird has been accused too of multiple names and I don't think it's so with him either... As far as getting down and dirty, Doh is not or has not been the only one . There's been plenty of that to go around. Happy New Year Everyone! "

Dohbaugh wrote on Dec 31, 2007 3:27 PM:

" Sorry Billie, I've got to respectfully disagree with you on this, too many coincidences. It took a while, but I'm convinced it's the old Dohmeister himself. "

Billie Brant wrote on Dec 31, 2007 3:58 PM:

" Dohbaugh, I guess we'll never know "for sure" will we? I guess I'm just willing to give him (Doh) the benfit of the doubt because there isn't any concrete proof, just supposition. Usually a persons writing style gives them away UNLESS they are very good at several, which I am not. What cha see is what cha get here with this old girl like it or not. "

coonbug wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:02 PM:

" If you truly feel someone is abusing the Journals Online Blog/Post perhaps you should express your feelings to one of the following email addresses. THEY know who is who. ------ online@jg-tc.com or editorial@jg-tc.com "

Rotty wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:53 PM:

" Just to chime in with my two cents on the subject, I don't think Doh, Dohbaugh, or Early Bird post under different names, either. I'm with Billie on this one. And adding my own opinion in on this.... While I have voted for both parties, & think that 90% of the politicians are worthless, alot of times, I'd rather take my chances with the worst rated Republican, than the best rated Democrat every day of the week, & twice on Sunday. Now, I'm not going to sling a bunch of worthless already overplayed crap, but that is just the way I feel, end of story. Now, how the heck did we get off the subject of these supposed all helping, crusading, worthless do-gooders, & get into this political wee wee contest? You know what, I think I'll just end it here, & go out & fire up the bbq! Happy New Year, Everyone! "

George Bailey wrote on Dec 31, 2007 6:17 PM:

" Good gravy I had no idea I was going to set off Early Baugh on such a screwy fit. For someone who is innocent he sure is throwing one heck of a fit. But if it helps him to live with his guilt by claiming I'm Doh, then okay. I'll be Doh. I'm not as windy as he is but I can give it a try Lol! According to ole screwy the thing that gave me away was that I wasn't being mean to Billie. Hey Billie, can you give me a reason to be mean to ya? Give me something. Anything. I need to work up some rage here. Hehe. The New Doh, the one the only George Bailey (and a cast of thousands). "

Dohbaugh wrote on Dec 31, 2007 6:33 PM:

" Hey Rotty, I know we should stay on task here, but it's really more fun feeding the monkey. If I don't feed him, he might go away, and we don't want that do we? I find him quite entertaining. "

Dohbaugh wrote on Dec 31, 2007 6:36 PM:

" I guess Psycho-boy Doh wants everyone to make sure they see his messages because he is posting virtually the same messages on more than one thread, rather pathetic. "

Billie Brant wrote on Dec 31, 2007 8:48 PM:

" Stick around George! I've been known to tick people off from time to time! LOL! So if you find something to be "mean" to me about fire away! LOL! Oh! By the way, I liked Harry's article too. I don't like all of 'em, though as Harry could tell you. I've trussed him up like a turkey and held his feet to the fire more than once usually as an answer in the form of LE's. But he always bounces back. Bless him! He has the hide of an elephant, so barbs don't usually stick. We've discussed this at various social events from time to time, and he knows I'll do it again if I feel the need to skewer him again! LOL! "

Billie Brant wrote on Dec 31, 2007 9:05 PM:

" Hey Rotty! Happy New Year to ya! I was supposed to be up north(Dixon) jammin with some great musicians this New Years Eve, but alas, I've been down sick for over a week with the "mother of all head and chest colds". I felt too miserable to go, so, here I am. I'll have an aching head in the morning, but it won't be from consuming too much beer! LOL! I probably won't even be awake when the New Year makes it's entrance. So, to everyone,especially Dohbaugh, Early Bird, Doh, Answer,Coonsey,Itjustdave,Tom Andres,attainedage, Anita,fatherbob, George and yes even you Question, Happy New Year! I know I left some out, but my stuffed up head is not functioning well today. So a Happy New Year to EVERYONE!!! "

George Bailey wrote on Dec 31, 2007 10:31 PM:

" Happy New Years Billie! I hope you get to feeling better soon. Maybe a little shot of something stout will help that head cold as well as ring in the New Year. Couldn't hurt! Happy New Years everyone. You too scre...... er uh Early Baugh. Get some sleep guy. Oh and try to relaaaaax. Happy New Years! "

1308 wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:07 AM:

" Why doesn't people leave things alone that has been happening for a 100 years or more?
Or better yet why don't you move to Russia ?
God seems to keep the ballance of the world at hand,not the people who want this and that changed because they think it will prolong their lives.
We will all die of something at what ever time we are suppose to reguardless of what you change.
Smoking,Passing of gas,leaf burning,Ect.
has been going on before most of us was born and most of us is still living!
More people are dying in car accidents,sucide,drug overdose,murder,and the war.
So why don't you leave things alone and clean your own house before you try cleaning someone else's house.
"

Rotty wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:09 AM:

" Thanks, Billie. I hope you get to feeling better soon. Best of wishes to all in 2008! "

Cognitus wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:20 AM:

" Gringa wrote, "Wonder if coon would mind outlining his idea of Bush's impeachable offenses. (By the way, defending our nation against enemy attack doesn't qualify.)"$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Inpeachable offenses? Read Amendment #4 of the Constitution. $$$$$$$$$$
And re "defending our nation", remember when Georgie was "young and irresponsible" he flew over the Texas beaches oggling the girls, but marked NO when asked if he would go to Vietnam. He became a "defender" only when he could do so while sending OTHERS to defend the nation while he preserved his personal safety and comfort. "

Citizen Kane wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:06 PM:

" Well it's obvious why the JG moved this thread to the secondary section. That’s too bad because this was a very apropos follow-up to the leaf burning article and one of Mr. Reynolds’ best. The point that many have made in here needs to be restated; this issue is a slippery legal slop and it won’t stop with leaf burning or cigarettes. It will most assuredly “progress” on to other facets of our daily lives as we slowly but steadily relinquish more and more of our daily lives to the control of the government. 1984’s Big Brother is alive and well I’m afraid. He’s simply wearing a nanny’s apron. "

Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:15 PM:

" Now that the domino theory has unraveled, it's been replaced with the catchwords slippery slope, the wackos have decided to take on health issues to be afraid of, such as the tobacco ban and the proposed leaf burning ban. They just have to have something to fear. Be sure to look under your bed tonight, looney's. "

Rotty wrote on Jan 1, 2008 6:59 PM:

" Good post, Kane! I agree. "

father bob wrote on Jan 2, 2008 9:55 AM:

" George Bailey wrote on Dec 30, 2007 10:12 PM:
" Don't tell me the Democrats have a little blue dress with Bush's DNA on it Coonbug! Oh no! "...............god i love this moron! lets see how this balances out...."little blue dress" on the left.........on the right we have a trillion dollars and a couple hundred thousand lives, fighting a "war" against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 nor opposed a threat to us, killed a dictator because we didn't like his boldness. a few million people displaced, an entire region of the world in chaos, our civil rights and freedoms stripped from us ........ and the list goes on and on. "

father bob wrote on Jan 2, 2008 10:04 AM:

" George Bailey wrote on Dec 30, 2007 10:12 PM:
" Don't tell me the Democrats have a little blue dress with Bush's DNA on it Coonbug! Oh no! "...............god i love this moron! and i failed to mention intentionally lieing to the american people about WMDs and links to OBL....by the way, where is OBL? oh yeah...still out and about having fun! the real reason why 9/11 took place has been deemed insignificant. "

George Bailey wrote on Jan 2, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Whoa there Father Bob. Take a chill pill fella it was a joke. No need to get personal with the insults. For Pete's sake I didn't have anything to do with Iraq! Save that ammunition for someone else will ya. "

Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:10 PM:

" Well yes, father bob, why get personal with your comments, as Do...oops I mean George Bailey never does that, does he? "

George Bailey wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Quit stalking me Early Baugh. You're starting to scare me, screwy. And leave Father Bob out of this, I like him. "

Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:52 PM:

" Glad to here it, I like him too, but you didn't like him when you posted as Doh, did you? Hey, are you trying to establish a herd? Remember your old hide behind the herd bit, you used that a lot when you posted as beenthere? "

George Bailey wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:55 PM:

" See that Early Baugh? I've got you trained to come when I call you by name HAHA!. I told you before screwy, if you want me to be Doh or beenthere or any of the other three dozen people you think I am, then you're going to have to give me a script to follow. Line please, screwy. P.S. I don't care what ole Screwy Bird says, I still like ya Bob! "

father bob wrote on Jan 3, 2008 5:06 PM:

" George Bailey wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:55 PM:""I still like ya Bob! ""........ok, you've said that twice. i hope you don't start breathing in my ear...geeezzz "

George Bailey wrote on Jan 3, 2008 6:00 PM:

" Whoa Bob, calm down there big fella. I said like, not love. So don't worry, I don't ride side-saddle anyway LOL! "

Billie Brant wrote on Jan 3, 2008 10:45 PM:

" Golly! The air sure is getting blue around here! LOL! Whew! "

father bob wrote on Jan 4, 2008 9:31 AM:

" A CNN survey of Republican caucusgoers Thursday found that six in 10 identified themselves as "born-again" Christians. Huckabee won the support of 46 percent of them, while just 19 percent backed Romney.

So it was that, while he was outspent by what he estimated to be a 15-1 margin, and while he faced a withering attacks from rival Mitt Romney's camp and independent groups, Huckabee was able to hold his position and score a remarkable statewide win in Iowa.

Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley, a Republican who did not endorse a candidate, bluntly said after Huckabee beat Romney by 10 points that the victory of the former Arkansas governor could be attributed to "loyalty from evangelical Christians."

To Grassley's view, Huckabee's scripture-sampling campaign was a smooth "fit" with Iowa evangelicals -- both stylistically and emotionally.

But now the campaign moves to New Hampshire, a state where the religious right has never enjoyed a political foothold. New Hampshire Republicans are anti-tax and anti-government crusaders, but they have never been Christian crusaders.

They also vote in a primary, as opposed to caucuses that favor campaigns with committed supporters who are willing to give not just a vote but a full evening to the cause.

So the Huckabee campaign is retooling itself fast.

Suddenly, the "Christian leader" is just a "leader."

Huckabee arrived in New Hampshire Friday morning with new literature that drops the religious references used in Iowa and plans for a television advertising campaign that will eschew the crosses and fish that meant so much to his Iowa base.

Huckabee is nothing if not consistent. Sure, he losing the religious trappings that served him well in Iowa, but he's remaining every bit the crassly calculating and cynically manipulative politician that he has proven himself to be from the start of this campaign............more "christian" manipulation for power and influence in government. "

cd wrote on Jan 4, 2008 8:11 PM:

" Huckabee is nothing if not consistent. ......more "christian" manipulation for power and influence in government. " ------------ Let's leave the "christian" part out of it. Let's get down to the real truth,...all the candidates, including the Liberal Left, use "manipulation for power and influence in government." Hillary is very good at that! "

Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 6, 2008 6:05 PM:

" Huckabee took a page out of Bush's playbook. Anyone remember who Bush said his favorite philosopher was? Hey, it worked for Bush, so why shouldn't the Huckster try it too? "

gomez wrote on Jan 7, 2008 6:27 AM:

" EXCUSE ME? i have always mantained the same identity throughout my postings. i dont use other names! i am not a child, i dont have to post under false names. i have a suspiscion that i am going to be pestered about my "life name", when i really dont care for ANY of you people to know it! there is alot of prejudice on this website. we dont like you because you are a dem. or, we dont like you because you are a rep. this is nothing more than an extention of high school, where the cool kids annoyed the smart kids! stop worrying about who I am, start worrying about who YOU ARE. and stop stealing my tag line, get your own! if you cant be original, then do us all a favor and go away. "

gomez wrote on Jan 7, 2008 7:01 AM:

" SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! i dont care about the religous beliefs of any of the candidates, so long as they dont let those beliefs affect their choices in running "our country". "

gomez wrote on Jan 7, 2008 7:07 AM:

" by the way, george bailey, im not doh, or anyone of your little friends on this site! so, im not here to just blow smoke, and give no results. rather, i am here to try to share my opinion. again, this is why i use a name different than my own. it makes me sick to know that there are people that still use the system to make choices. "

father bob wrote on Jan 7, 2008 9:30 AM:

" gomez wrote on Jan 7, 2008 7:07 AM:
" by the way, george bailey, im not doh, or anyone of your little friends on this site! so, im not here to just blow smoke, and give no results. rather, i am here to try to share my opinion. again, this is why i use a name different than my own. it makes me sick to know that there are people that still use the system to make choices. "...........well said. "

gomez wrote on Jan 7, 2008 11:04 AM:

" And what if i am dohbaugh or any other name. What it matter to you. i have a right to use any name i want. "

Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:58 AM:

" Chill out, Gomez, the insults weren't really meant for you, they were an indirect slap at me. Old Chief Many Names knows you and I are not really the same person. Don't let the village idiot run you off. "

Dohbaugh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:30 AM:

" Or maybe I am really you Gomez. hehe. "

 


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