" Great letter, Anita - very well said! "

" Thank you. I am so tired of smug religious fanatics who think that not reading books somehow makes them virtuous. They fly their ignorance like a flag. "

" Good morning, Anita. I haven't read the Harry Potter books, but I did see one of the movies, maybe the first one. It seems to me the stories are similar to the Lord of the Rings books written by J.R. Tolkien, which I have read over and over again. The sorcery, witchcraft, dark powers and so forth seem to be simply the means of communicating a story of good vs. evil. Good is clearly good, and the evil is really, really bad. (Are there any other Tolkien fans out there?) Tolkien was a Christian, so there is a Christian "feel" to Lord of the Rings. That there is sorcery involved doesn't detract from that and maybe makes the good even more powerful. The Narnia stories, written by C.S. Lewis, also involve sorcery and witchcraft in their fantasy. Most Christians do not have a problem with books by Lewis and Tolkien. Looking around on the internet, I see that many (not all) who oppose HP have been involved in the occult. I can understand why they might be uncomfortable reading the books, or allowing their children to read them. I personally agree with you, and would have read HP with my children had they been interested. However, most Christians (including Lewis and Tolkien) do believe that dark powers and forces exist. If someone has encountered this darkness, it is understandable why he or she might be very sensitive about encountering it again, even in a literary context . . . just another point of view. "

" Anita has a good point in her letter. I read the first one and found it yawn-worthy. I've heard the series improves with each book though. My point in posting is in response to Gail's question: Yup, I'm a Tolkien-ophile. Frodo LIVES! :-) "

" Yes, dark powers and forces exist all right — in the Oval Office and the 700 Club. "

" Good one, Question, at least about the Oval Office. Haven't seen the 700 Club for years. ;-) "

" Yes I guess you people don't care about your children getting involved in sorcery,witchcraft and then Satanism ? The large increase of children in these things have been on T.V. and yes even our own paper. You will be the first cry when your kitty or puppy is found sacrificed at some event or cemetery. Naive,I don't thinks so. I believe its called liberalism or/and anti-God. "

" Gee, I consider myself and liberal and I never though I was anti-God. You people just keep coming out of the woodwork, don't you? "

" I don't believe that Anita is Anti-God. I think she is a person who enjoys a good book. "

" I consider myself pretty conservative on most things, but I have no problem with Harry Potter whatsoever. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue, so please don't try to make it one. It seems to be boiling down to a religious one, for some reason. "

" animal sacrifice? IN HARRY POTTER?!?!? it's uninformed comments like that that show just how little people know about what they're talking about..................everyone has that right to decide for themselves or their families whether or not to read the book. but don't go spouting off about things you know nothing about. "

" Is there evil in the world? Yes, I believe that there is - evil is found in child molestors, murderers, and many other places. Is it in Harry Potter - yes, Voldemort is evil. I've read every book, and I can't wait until my child is old enough to read them.......we go to church every Sunday - learn Bible verses, yet I still enjoy a good story. Story - fiction, you know - the kind of book that is Harry Potter. You would be better served by fighting against the real evil in the world, not a story. "

" I love how no matter what the topic of the original letter, it somehow always elicits anti-Bush comments. Thanks, Question. Maybe you should hop over to the one about the guy with the neglected horses and blame it on the Bush Administration's inability to gather reliable intelligence on a homegrown terrorist. Run along now. "

" And maybe you should take your head out of the sand, Soldier, or wherever you have it. The Bush presidency is a disaster that historians will write about in wonder for centuries — presuming Bush leaves us any future in which historians may write. "

" We get it, you don't like Bush. A lot of people don't like Bush. Get over it and find something new to rant about because frankly it's getting old. "

" Great letter, Beaches! Couldn't have said it better myself. "

" Get over it and find something new to rant about because frankly it's getting old. ••• Thanks, but no. "

" Of course they haven't read them, Anita. That's what people do, they make ill-informed judgments and then shoot off their mouths without anything to back them up but attitude. I'm sure we've all done that from time to time, but some people do it more than others. (like religious zealots) You can be religious, but a little moderation and tolerance in views goes a long way. (especially since we're all human and have no way of knowing if ours is the "one true religion") Good letter, Anita. "

" ("Get over it and find something new to rant about because frankly it's getting old.")--- You gotta be kidding me, Question. You, the King of All-Things-Are-Bush's-Fault derangement syndrome, are telling someone else to "find something new"? I guess your delusions run far deeper than I previously thought. Don’t tell me….I know….that’s Bush’s fault too….yada,yada,yada…… "

" My apologies Question, I misread your statement. It looks like your post caused me to doze off again. Carry on with your insanity as usual, I could use the sleep. "

" Good answer, Question. Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of Bush and his fiasco, and like you, I'm not getting over it. "

" LOL @ Doh. We forgive you for your temporary loss of sanity. As Soldier pointed out, everything that is wrong in our world MUST have begun in the White House. I bet all the Death Eaters are really paid assassins from the Bush administration, you know. In fact, I bet Bush is actually Lord Voldemort in disguise. What WERE you thinking, Doh, when you told Question that his anti-Bush tirades were getting old? And Soldier, based on the suppositions above, HOWEVER did you miss the connection between Harry Potter and the White House? Silly boys. lolol "

" Anya- Can you imagine what (The Questions) life must be like? As obsessed as this guy is with Bush Derangement Syndrome, I’ll bet he wakes up every morning already in a haze of angry conspiratorial hatred, and begins muttering to himself: “It’s all Bush’s fault.” “It’s all Bush’s fault.” - My God, his poor family. "

" And Anya, can you imagine what Doh's life must be like? Waking up every morning to some fresh Bush-spawned disaster or horror, muttering, "Those lying reporters! None of that has ever happened, or, if it did, is ever Bush's fault?" And chanting, "Every day in every way, Iraq is getting better and better" and "Gen. Petraeus will save us, just as soon as he's done arming the insurgency. Oops. Mustn't think about that! Must - deny - reality!" My god, his poor sanity. "

" Oh, my gosh, you are both too funny! I must be needing sleep, because I'm usually rolling my eyes rather than giggling myself silly (er) over the posts on here! LOL "

" Question- "Waking up every morning to some fresh Bush-spawned disaster or horror"? - Now where did I ever get the idea that you where becoming unhinged with Bush Derangement Syndrome? Well! That certainly shut me up! *BIG EYEROLL* "

" Well, Doh, here's how that Bush Derangement Syndrome comes about. You would have to have read the HP books or seen the latest movie to know this. President Bush, aka Lord Voldemort, invades the mind(s) of his intended victim or victims. Then he drives them crazy, torments them until they cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality. Only the strongest minds capable of remembering the love in their lives are able to resist, you see. So now, you have been educated. Do you understand how it develops now? Poor Question can't help himself. It's all Bush's fault. LOLOLOLOL "

" Anya- I'm confused. Is Lord Voldemort the evil genius that the Left says he is, or is he the incoherent imbecile that they also accuse him of being? "

" Ah, you have discovered the paradox of Lord Voldemort, dear one. He is so brilliant in his evil genius way that he is clueless and imbecilic in the ways of love and light. *snicker* Clear as mud now? "

" Anya- Now my head hurts. LOL "

" Every U.S. soldier in Iraq who dies is another Bush-spawned horror, Doh. And there's more than one to greet you every single morning. "

" *hands Doh an aspirin* LOL "

" Question - you're right, it IS a horror when each soldier dies. I believe that you are misguided, however, when you lay the blame on Bush. My goldfish memory has already lost the names of the congressmen interviewed, but it is beginning to look more and more like Valerie Plame's husband was knowingly leaking false information about Saddam's nuclear capabilities, Iran's involvement in terror, and the connections between Saddam and AQ. NOW, having said that, I'm still not sure how you connected Harry Potter and Iraq because, you know, I really WAS kidding about the Bush/Voldemort thing. ;-) "

" So what is it Question, when another member of Al Qaeda dies? "

" New name, same old poster. If avoid me, all will be well. Two down, one to go. "

" M@h wrote:But we are not called to judge. We are called to go into the world and preach the Gospel. And the Gospel is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That’s it. My you do have a short Bible,where did you get it? Or did you just throw the rest out? "

" Hey little-boy-Georgie-poo - Go play in traffic - - IDIOT - - You don't scare me, little one, so don't tell me "avoid me, all will be well". I've tangled with tougher and smarter than you. *smiles sweetly* You are dealing with a different person than before. Should I "come to Gays" as you invited someone else to do when you wanted to try to act all tough and brave? You call everyone else idiot all the time, however, YOU can't even complete a sentence or a feable threat properly. EXAMPLE: Mr. Peabody wrote on Aug 13, 2007 1:39 PM: " New name, same old poster. If avoid me, all will be well. Two down, one to go. " ***** If avoid me? Forget a word, did we? And "Two down, one to go"??? Who do you think you ran off? Billie and AnitaS will be back, mark my words. They've been around for a long time, and you aren't man enough to run them off. So just drop the "I'm smarter and tougher than anyone else" attitude because you're anything BUT. And let me tell you - you go ahead and call Doh out if you want. He will pulverize you. "

" "So what is it Question, when another member of Al Qaeda dies? ••• Which "Al Qaeda?" Bush has created and supplied so many. "

" You're right on target Anya! Old pea-"what's His name" didn't run me off. I chose to leave and I will choose when it's time for me to come back on a regular basis, as I'm sure Anita will also. In his limited scope of reality I'm sure he feels as though he "ran me off" and is basking in the glow of his conquest. Don't get too comfortable peanut or whatever moniker is being attached to you these days. I'm taking some well needed R&R and recharging my batteries. I'm enjoying the show! BTW, Gail, I'm enjoying your posts. Carry on folks! "

" The ladies of the JG-TC Comment Areas are a force to be reckoned with. Ya gota love'em! Wooo Hooo! They are the bomb! I just wish there were more of them! Register now, we're looking for a few good women! Rock on ladies! :-) "

" Thanks, Billie, and I'm glad to see you're still around! :~) "

" Rock on Rotty! I like a man who isn't afraid of strong women, one who doesn't feel his masculinity is threatened by them! Girls, we have several men on these sites that share Rotty's complimetary attitude toward us. There are some of these fellas while not agreeing with us still show respect as I would hope most of us show them in return. A good natured "dig" or two can be expected once in awhile, but that's ok. Sometimes they're pretty funny and I find myself laughing out loud!... Of course there's a sourpuss or two( you know who you are) who don't show respect for either gender and thus, don't get any in return. Hey Rotty! I just might call you "Rockin Rotty" from now on, affectionatly of course! I seem to recall on another thread, Rotty mentioned he has daughters If so, young ladies, you have a dyn-o-mite dad who obviously respects women! "

" I love you too Anita. "

" I could have been talking to any one of the "new" posters, but um... someone felt compelled to reply... so I guess my arrow struck pretty close to the mark. =P "

" That's much better, Peabody. :-P We both know what you were saying. I can read between the lines, and you were about as subtle as a freight train. "

" Rockin Rotty works lol *wink* ~ Yup, 2 very intelligent beautiful daughters & a heck of a intelligent, knock'em dead, great wife. Love'em all! ~ Thank You Very Much, Billie Brant! *poke dig dig poke wink* lol Rock On Billie! ~ Affectionatly, Rockin Rotty :-) "

" Yes, I like that. Rockin' Rotty. LOL Thank you, kind sir. *cheesy grin* "

" Rockin' Rotty, indeed! What a cool fella you are. *grin, wink* "

" *blushes* lol aaaaw.... Thank You, Anya! The ladies here kick serious butt! Glad to have ya all around, & hope many more are soon to follow in registering! Rock on! ~ Rockin Rotty "

" Careful Anya, you posts are getting close to trolling. "

" Hush, Dohbaugh - Let me bask in the glow! LOL :P Now get back over to the other site, & continue on with your liberal stance. AND NOW, We return you back to the Harry Potter show! LOL ~ Rotty :-) "

" Wooo Hooo, Rockin Rotty rules! The Harry Potter Show--51 posts and still going. Just wait until someone fires off another letter to the opinion page, we can all start over again! :~) "

" Oh, and the cell phone thread is starting to heat up, which just proves that folks around here can engage in hot debate on just about any topic imaginable. . . . "

" LOL Gail - Well, with all the immature posters, what can we expect? *snicker* "

" All right, Anya, I'll admit it--I couldn't wait to add my two cents to Cell Phone Wars. And later today, I'll probably jump back into the fray. I suppose we are all a little opinionated, else we wouldn't be posting here. Hmmmm . . . The JG-TC people need to add some emoticons, or whatever you call them, for us to play with. Help, I need an emoticon! "

" Well, Gail, I actually meant me, but you can join me in my immaturity! *grin* "

" Ya gota tell the whole story, Anya - others may not know "it" was a "todo" of another column's comment area. lol "

" I stand corrected, Rockin' Rotty. LOL That's ok, I'll proudly "

" wear that badge. It's better than the sour-puss badge. =D "

" LOL Sounds like a plan. ;-) "

" So.... Any other folks out there that think the likes of such books as Harry Potter pollutes one's mind? Anymore of you religion pushers want to step up to the plate? How can one critique something without checking out the evidence in question? Are you a Harry Potter fan? How do you feel about the nay-sayers, or the ones who say the books are full of life's values? Any other thoughts on this topic? "

" There's this, Rotty: Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real. Somewhere in their upbringing they were shielded against the total facts of our experience. They were only taught to look one way when many ways exist. - Charles Bukowski "

" And this: "Did you ever hear anyone say, 'That work had better be banned because I might read it and it might be very damaging to me'?" - Joseph Henry Jackson "

" And this: "Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burned women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears." -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis Of course, some of our posters here are stupid enough to believe that witches with magic powers exist. "

" Rockin Rotty, I bought the Harry Potter books for my granddaughter. I bought a limited edition boxed set for her as a CHRISTMAS present. She has gone to all the movies based on these books enjoying the premier's by dressing up "in costume" to attend them. It's great fun for her and many other's. She has not been "corrupted " by these fanasty stories. She's still active in her youth group at our church. She recently attended a youth gathering with 1000's of kids from all over the country affiliated with our church in Florida. She, as most people are able to distinguish fact from fanasty in these books. The religious fanatic's who want to demonize these fanasty (get that folks, FANTASY) stories also want to point their accusatory finger's at those who enjoy a good tale and demonize them too. It doesn't fly! Her Christian faith and ideals are still intact and strong. She enjoys "The Pirates of the Carribean" movies that have ghosts and "nasty magical" qualities too. By the way, she's 19 now and has been reading these books since they were first published. Corrupted by them? Nah, No Way, Nada!!! "

" Question says, "Of course, some of our posters here are stupid enough to believe that witches with magic powers exist." If I were able to go back in time a few hundred years, encounter people of that time, and demonstrate today's technology to them, I could pass myself off as a witch with magical powers. Those people who might believe I was a witch would not be stupid. Their response would be a natural one, based on their lack of experience and knowledge. Harry Potter's witches and magic are entertainment. But it isn't hard for me to imagine that there are technologies (manipulations of the natural world) that I haven't yet had the chance to experience or understand. And I cannot deny with certainty that "magical" beings exist independently of what my five senses can take in. "

" The god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.—2 Cor. 4:4. We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.-1 John 5:19 All those who read Harry Potter originate with Satan, the biggest practicer of magic, divination, and sorcery. A true Christian has no part of sorcery or magic of any kind, including reading it. You can persuade yourselves, scream you are a Christian, but in all actuality you are not. I'm sure all of you make God sick. You certainly make me sick. Soon, however, God will execute vengeance on those who mock him and his Son. Thank goodness. "

" You are way out there TRUTH...."All those who read Harry Potter originate with Satan".... WOW ~~~... I'm not as educated on the Bible as many and certainly don't attend church as frequently as I should....but I don't think it's your job or anyone else's to sit and pass judgement on people based on what they choose to read...Might I suggest you focus your energies "saving" people who truly need your assistance rather than trying to make yourself somehow feel like more of a Christian than those of us who choose to read a truly great series of books. "

" Anything that "exists independently of what my five senses can take in" is as irrelevant as the question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, Gail. All human knowledge is based on what our five senses take in. "

" By the way, while a sufficiently advanced technology might look like magic, it wouldn't BE magic. Witchcraft, like religion, is largely a means by which powerless people enable themselves to entertain fantasties of power. "

" Truth: You really scare the hell out of me sometimes. It's like the mother from "Carrie" walked off the page and started posting. Did Jesus have anything to say about folks who gleefully await the torment of fellow human beings. "

" Question, you say anything that exists independently of what your five senses can take in is irrelevant. Believing this might work in a practical sense, as you live your day-to-day life, but it is limiting. An example from the natural world: Humans have learned in recent years that bees are attracted to flowers in part by ultraviolet nectar guides. These ultraviolet patterns help the bees home in on the nectar in the flower. Knowing this information is important in understanding the bee's behavior, the relationship between the bee and its flower, how they evolved together, and so on. Other animals experience color (or the lack thereof) in ways we're just now learning to comprehend. Unaided, the human's five senses can take in only a small slice of the reality that's "out there." Reality is perceived in so many different ways; we tend to be bound by our perceptions. We are limited creatures. Irrelevant--I don't think so! I would use words like fascinating, aesthetically pleasing, amazing (at times), and so on. Anyway, this may be one reason why (along with other individual's experiences) so many people don't have a problem with believing in God. It's not that far-fetched to believe God might exist in that realm I am currently unable to understand through my senses. "

" "Humans have learned in recent years that bees are attracted to flowers in part by ultraviolet nectar guides." And humans learned that through science, an empirical discipline which is based entirely on knowledge derived from our five senses and nowhere else. All evidence in science must be empirical, or empirically based — dependent on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses. If it's not that far-fetched to believe that "God might exist in that realm I am currently unable to understand through my senses," then it's also equally "not that farfetched" to believe that Peter Pan might exist in a Neverland dimension I am currently unable to understand through my senses, or that unicorns ride dragons over the BIg Rock Candy Mountain somewhere else, etc. You are not really making an argument. You are merely fantasizing. "

" Gail- The last sentence of your post( Aug 17,7:56 AM) sums it for me in one word-Faith. Faith in God. I don't feel the need or the desire to explain my faith or justify it to those who don't have it or those who would ridicule it. IT(my faith) just is! Having this faith however does not mean I haven't "dug" into it from time to time for clearer answer's. Being all too human and imperfect means my faith has been shaken at various times in my life. Shaken perhaps, but not broken. I won't apologize for my faith just as those who don't have it don't feel the need to apologize for the lack of it. It's personal to me. I still feel my faith and that of my granddaughter has NOT been compromised by reading the Harry Potter books. "

" i am a Christian. however, there was not this much controversy over Wizard of Oz and movies of the such. come on people, Harry Potter is just a movie and books, watch/read it or not but leave those who do alone. by the way, if you have the backbone to critize it, some of you need to take a better look at your childrens friends, music, and most of all, video games! "

" "I'm sure all of you make God sick. You certainly make me sick. Soon, however, God will execute vengeance on those who mock him and his Son. Thank goodness." I'm surprised the nice men in the white coats let you post here. Are they the ones you call "God?" "

" Billie, I liked your post! Faith rarely is easy for me, and escaped me altogether during most of my youth. However, it eventually came to the point where I had to have more faith NOT to believe than to just go ahead and make that "leap of faith." Years ago, I read MERE CHRISTIANITY by C.S. Lewis and found the arguments in this book convincing enough to set aside my doubts. I have never regretted that. Oh, we're supposed to be talking about Harry Potter, aren't we? :~) "

" Question, what I was trying to say is that things and phenomena exist which our science (and senses)cannot detect. There are many differences between believing in a supreme being and in Peter Pan, one of these being that people across time and culture have demonstrated belief in a supreme being--and in an afterlife, for that matter. One cannot be argued into having faith, Question. In its beginning, faith might simply be a decision to open one's mind to the possibility that something exists beyond it. "

" People across time and cultures also believed in dragons and monsters, Gail. "God's" most salient characteristics are that he never appears in public, never takes any visible action and never gives any other sign of his presence. Not too convincing, to put it mildly — particularly when his believers inevitably fall back on a book of primitive myths as evidence. "

" "People across time and cultures also believed in dragons and monsters"--usually there is some truth behind the legends of a culture. Most likely the dragons and monsters were "living fossils" and/or megafauna of the past. Pterosaurs in particular are believed to have survived beyond their time. Ancient peoples from China to the Americas may have interacted with numerous species we have never seen. "

" Question, a fascinating discussion of "monsters" in Indian oral tradition can be found in Native American author Vine Deloria's book RED EARTH, WHITE LIES: Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact. "

" The Truth ----- You have my permission to cast the first stone. From your post, I take it that you will be the only one in heaven. As far as Harry Potter books, they're entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. "

" To a few of you posters out there ----- I may be fat, but you're stupid and I can lose weight. "

" Gail, I think an intelligent, respectful examination of what's really going on in religion can be found in the works of the late professor Joseph Campbell. I suspect you've already read them. And, for my money, the best book ever written on Christianity was the Yale philosopher Brand Blanshard's "Reason and Belief." It is clear, exhaustive, painstaking and brilliant. "

" My Dear Mr. 1st Cav. Thank you for selecting one of my posts as worthy for quoting but I believe the quote is taken out of context. I did not once claim that all of the Bible can be summed up in those words, I believe my post said something like preaching Christ and Him crucified to all the world is what we as Christians are supposed to do instead of judging. My goodness, where does ANYONE get the idea that I think that's all of the Bible? Certainly not from my post! Nobody likes a good debate more than I, but please don't pull my words out of context to make your point. Thanks for your understanding. M@H "

" Okay, I'm double-posting here but I have to get this off my chest. “I guess you people don't care about your children getting involved in sorcery, witchcraft and then Satanism” and “My you do have a short Bible, where did you get it? Or did you just throw the rest out?” and “The god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.—2 Cor. 4:4” and “All those who read Harry Potter originate with Satan, the biggest practicer of magic, divination, and sorcery.”**********No wonder the non-Christian or anti-Christian or non-religious are prompted to post things like “Smug religious fanatics flying their ignorance like a flag” and “You people just keep coming out of the woodwork, don't you?” and "I'm sure all of you make God sick. You certainly make me sick.” Heck, I’m a Christian and it’s making *me* sick! As a Christian – and I *am* one – I have to say “Christians do and say some of the stupidest things in the name of Christianity!” So I can’t really blame any anti-Christian or anti-religious posters here for saying the things they do about us.**********Folks, we are called to witness to the non-believer. Making some disparaging remarks and snide comments about non-believers and trying to *prove* how wrong they are isn’t a real strong witness, is it? So to the non-Christian or non-religious or even anti-Christian, please accept my apology for my dear brothers and sisters who miss the point. I DO love them but to quote a very famous man, “ . . . forgive them for they know not what they do.”**********Reading Harry Potter books will *not* get anyone involved with witchcraft, sorcery and Satanism any more than reading a cookbook will get anyone to crawl into an oven or reading an auto repair manual will make anyone be able to run 120MPH!!! It has nothing to do with the WORDS you put into your head but it has EVERYTHING to do with what you DO with the information you put into your mind! I’ve read “Helter Skelter” and I sure don’t feel like killing anyone and I never have! That’s because even though the WORDS went into my head, the spirit of death nor the desire to ACT on the words did NOT!**********If – as a Christian – you have problems with reading about witchcraft and sorcery – don’t read it! And by all means if you have children and they are not grounded in the Word of God knowing how to divinely and rightly divide the truth, for God’s sake (pun intended), DO NOT let them read it either! Keep in mind – we’re talking about READING about it, not PRACTICING it.**********I have MY weak spots and things I cannot allow to go into my head but it’s not because the words are bad, it’s because how I RECEIVE and PROCESS the words may lead to behavior that is not good for a Christian to exhibit. If that’s the case – I STAY AWAY FROM IT!**********But regardless, don’t condemn or judge or berate non-believers because of what they do that YOU don’t think they should! There’s no way *I* would want to associate with someone who is telling me what I should do just because THEY think God doesn’t want me to and neither will anyone want to associate with Christians who tell them what God wants THEM to do or what THEY should do.**********Once again, you are NOT called as a Christian to DO that so DON’T DO IT! You’re called as a Christian to WITNESS to them. How do you witness to them? By LOVING them. Condemnation, ridicule and negative judgment don’t sound like loving characteristics to me! M@H "